BEST OF NFL NEWS PART 2: Scary Terry OVERPAID? + Anthony Richardson’s FUTURE

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Club Shay Shay: Best of NFL News Part 2 - Scary Terry Overpaid? + Anthony Richardson’s Future

Date: August 29, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe (Ocho) with Michael F. Florio
Summary By: Podcast Summarizer AI

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Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay dives deep into the latest contracts and quarterback situations around the NFL. Shannon Sharpe ("Ocho") and Michael F. Florio focus on debates around player value, the rise of young quarterbacks, the economics of keeping stars, and how analytics and business realities are remaking the sport. Key topics include Anthony Richardson's future in Indianapolis, the new contract for Commanders WR Terry McLaurin ("Scary Terry"), the Ravens’ massive safety deal, Lamar Jackson’s looming extension, wide receiver market trends, and the veteran trade of Adam Thielen.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Anthony Richardson's Future in Indianapolis

[01:55 - 11:50]

• Richardson Not Going Anywhere (For Now):
  • Ocho stresses that despite rumors, Anthony Richardson won’t be traded, drawing on Chris Ballard's statements and the Colts’ lack of patience:

    "He gets back in there and he doesn't take advantage of this opportunity, they're going to move on because it becomes cost prohibitive for them to keep him on the roster." — Ocho (04:18)

  • Reality of Draft Capital & Patience:
    • Both hosts point out the modern NFL isn’t built for developing “projects,” even highly talented ones like Richardson or, before him, Cam Newton and Joe Burrow.
    • Sharpe highlights NFL impatience:

      "I can't stash Anthony Richardson because I need him to play, but I need him to play well because in three years, I'm gonna have to give him a quarter of a billion dollars." — Ocho (07:10)

    • Owners demand instant gratification due to the cost and risk tied to high picks, and the tendency to compare their young QB’s progress unfavorably to counterparts (C.J. Stroud, Jaden Daniels, Bo Nix, etc.).
  • Player Development Is a Luxury:
    • Ocho analogizes patience to rebuilding a classic car—most teams can't afford the luxury:

      “This pro sports, they not wait. Those days of, oh, in two or three years… I might be dead.” — Ocho (10:27)

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2. Terry McLaurin’s Big Payday: Was He Overpaid?

[15:28 - 24:45]

• Contract Details & WR Market:

  • Terry McLaurin agrees to a 3-year, $96 million deal with a $30 million signing bonus. His age (turning 30) raised questions about the wisdom of the deal.
  • Ocho celebrates McLaurin’s consistency (five consecutive 1,000-yard seasons, elite despite endless QB turnover):

    “First in NFL history... five straight 1,000-yard campaigns with a different quarterback every year per NFL research.” — Ocho (23:21)

  • The conversation pivots to wide receiver market trends:
    • Younger WRs will push salaries higher (Malik Nabers and Brian Thomas Jr. as the next big earners).
    • Teams reluctant to pay “older” receivers, but “reward the homegrown talent” is a recurring theme.

• Team Management’s Reluctance & Negotiation Gripe:

  • Florio wonders why these deals wait until right before the season:

    “Can you please explain to me why management… always… wait until the end of training camp, preseason passes by, and then... pay your player two weeks before the season starts?” — Michael F. Florio (16:49)

  • Ocho conjectures both sides likely made concessions.

• Old School vs. New School Value:

  • Sharpe passionately defends paying productive vets:

    "I always like to see teams reward their players they drafted. They're homegrown... reward it." — Ocho (16:20)

  • He’s critical of teams hesitating to pay known hard workers in favor of flashy free agents.

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3. The Business Side: Holdouts, Leverage, and Owners

[27:44 - 35:14]

• Players’ Leverage in Contract Negotiations:

  • Discussion of how few players are truly willing to sacrifice millions by holding out.
    • “Very few guys are willing to risk now. I wouldn’t miss the whole season. Probably I would come back eight games because I want to get accredited.” — Ocho (28:48)
  • Florio notes the challenges of standing firm, especially compared to wealthy owners like Jerry Jones who can outlast a player’s holdout.

• Jerry Jones Anecdote: NFL Business Titan

  • Ocho recounts Jerry Jones’ legendary legal battle with the league over sponsorship rights, underscoring his business acumen and the high stakes for NFL owners:

    “If I win, I’m gonna collect every effing cent.” — Ocho, recounting Jones’ story (33:19)

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4. The "Analytics Era" vs. Football Intuition

[49:13 - 51:55]

• Does Age Data Matter?

  • McLaurin shrugs off concerns about how well he and his contract will age:

    "The data is the data but I think people are outliers. There are people who may not necessarily fit into that set of data. Only time will tell." — Ocho, quoting McLaurin (49:13)

  • Florio and Ocho debate the limits of analytics:

    “There are certain things that analytics and data can't measure. They can't measure skill, they can't measure heart. Sometimes you got to use your eyes and goddamn common sense.” — Michael F. Florio (55:40)

• The Contract "Dance": Finding the Middle Ground

  • Florio and Ocho both highlight the importance of neither party feeling screwed in a negotiation:

    "In any negotiation, there needs to be a give and take... you don't want someone to begrudgingly give you something..." — Ocho (50:46)

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5. Raven’s Safety Deal and Lamar’s Next Contract

[39:38 - 48:24]

• Kyle Hamilton Extension:

  • Ravens sign Hamilton to a record safety deal (4 years, $100.4 million, $82M guaranteed).
  • Ravens’ history of rewarding homegrown talent highlighted.

• Lamar Jackson’s Cap Conundrum:

  • Cap numbers jump from $43.5M to $74.5M next year.
  • Both hosts agree deal will happen, possibly mid-season:

    “When it comes to certain players, especially at this position, you don't play no games... The quarterbacks have nothing to worry about except just football.” — Michael F. Florio (40:42)

  • Ocho admires Lamar’s business approach and focus:

    “At the end of the day... He and his mom are their representation.... I'll pay you hourly. That's better than giving up 3 to 4%.” — Ocho (42:46)

  • Ravens’ playoff expectations for Lamar under discussion—needs to deliver in big games to justify next-level contract.

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6. Adam Thielen’s Trade to the Vikings

[56:09 - 61:51]

• Return of a Veteran:
  • Thielen returns to Minnesota as the Panthers “pass the torch” to their young WR corps.
  • Both hosts see value in veteran leadership, but agree the Panthers’ receiver room is deep and ready.

    “That's the only time you let a veteran presence… like Adam Thielen go – because you trust what you've seen. You're going to let them boys take the torch.” — Michael F. Florio (59:45)

  • Minnesota gets a reliable replacement for the suspended Jordan Addison. Ocho notes the circle-of-life vibe for Thielen returning home.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Patience with Quarterbacks:

  “This pro sports, they not wait... Those days of ‘oh, in two or three years’... I might be dead.” — Ocho (10:27)

• On WR Contracts & Age:

  "First in NFL history–five straight 1,000-yard campaigns with a different quarterback every year..." — Ocho (23:21)
  "I don't care what data. I don't care what analytics say. ... You turn that goddamn film on. And 17, he gonna show up every time." — Michael F. Florio (49:23)

• On Leverage in Holdouts:

  “Very few guys are willing to risk now. I wouldn’t miss the whole season... because I want to get accredited.” — Ocho (28:48)

• On Jerry Jones’ Ruthlessness:

  “If I win, I’m gonna collect every effing cent.” — Ocho (33:19, quoting Jerry Jones)

• On Analytics vs. Intuition:

  "Sometimes you got to use your eyes and goddamn common sense.” — Michael F. Florio (55:40)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Anthony Richardson’s Future: 01:55 – 11:50
• Terry McLaurin Contract/WR Market: 15:28 – 24:45
• Player Leverage, Holdouts, Jerry Jones: 27:44 – 35:14
• Analytics, Age Data & Intuition: 49:13 – 55:40
• Kyle Hamilton & Lamar Jackson Contracts: 39:38 – 48:24
• Adam Thielen Trade Discussion: 56:09 – 61:51

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Conclusion

This episode features classic Club Shay Shay: candid, insider views on the business and culture of the NFL. Ocho and Florio blend real-talk about locker room dynamics, business cold truths, and why some players break through aging curves and contract politics. For anyone who cares about how teams really make decisions—and why great players sometimes still have to fight for their due—this is required listening.

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Listen to San Diego FC behind the flow on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. OG Chris Ballard said Team is not trading Anthony Richardson. It is easy to say, okay, he's done. I don't agree. I've said numerous times I don't agree with that. I think overcoming challenges and obstacles along the way are good for anybody. For for anybody. I do. I'm proud of Anthony, of where he's at and how far he's come. He's come. Miles is tough on any young quarterback in this league, but for him to keep taking the growth steps he has and work so hard and not get the goals for Himself. All right, now continue to do that. That's when we've got a chance to see real growth. You like that? Oho. You like what he had to say?

[Michael F. Florio]

Absolutely. Also, also from a business, from a business side of things, we know, we don't, we don't, we know that the, the long term answer is not Daniel Jones. We've seen a small symbol side of what Daniel Jones was with the New York Giants. So to think that all of a sudden, okay, my bad. But to think that Daniel Jones is the answer long term, that's not it. So why would you trade Anthony Richardson? He's only 23 years old. He's probably going to continue to grow, continue to get better. Sometimes other quarterbacks reach their potential much sooner than others. Maybe it's going to take Anthony Richardson a little bit longer. Maybe the benching now again and losing this, this spot is a blessing in disguise for him to continue to grow, to continue to get better. And at some point, if things aren't going well in Indianapolis with Daniel Jones as the starting quarterback, do you know who's going to have to come in and be that savior for the rest of the season? Brother Anthony Richardson. Absolutely. They would not let him go or trade him somewhere else where there is no backup. No, of course not.

[Ocho]

I, I think, I don't think he's trading him now. Now we might be having a different conversation next offseason.

[Michael F. Florio]

Okay, that's different. Now that's, that's depending. That's depending if things right with Daniel Jones and what he shows us, what type of growth, maturity from the quarterback position, being able to execute the offense, facilitate the ball without the turnovers, without the mental lapses that he has from time to time. Now that can save not just in job, but his future in Indianapolis as well.

[Ocho]

Yes. So if he gets an opportunity, he's gonna have to take full advantage of it because he's not getting another chance after this. Ojo. He gets back in there and he doesn't, he doesn't take advantage of this opportunity, they're going to move on because it becomes cost prohibitive for them to keep him on the roster. So. And you're never going to get the value for, I mean you took it with the fourth pick in the draft. The fourth pick in the draft. Ojo, you do realize like that's supposed to be at the fourth pick in the draft. You're supposed to be franchise altering, especially if you're a quarterback.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I mean any player that you taking it that high up, he's Supposed to be friends. If it's a quarterback, a running back, a wide receiver, a tight end, he's supposed to be franchise altering. And, and, and normally you hope, Ocho, you don't have to bench a guy. Now we'll see how he took to the benching because we saw what he did for Bryce Young, Right? Let's see if you can have the same kind of impact on Richardson.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah, I hope so.

[Ocho]

I hope so too.

[Michael F. Florio]

I hope so. He's a talent. He's a, he's a phenomenal talent, man. Once he puts it all together, it can be a beautiful thing.

[Ocho]

Look, Ocho. But you look at it, a guy started, he started 13 games in college. He started 15 games in the NFL. That's 28 total starts. Most of the really good, the really good quarterbacks, you'll get, you'll get one or two. You get a Cam Newton that only starts one year of major college football, 13, 14 games and Cam. Or you get a Joe Burrow who starts he, what, 14, 15 games. And I think he might have started junior. I'm not sure, but I don't think he started more than 25 games. With that being said. But most of the time, these guys you got to get. I mean, that ain't a whole lot of stars. 13. Think about it. Oo 13 starts and you're a project and you get your top five pick. Do you know how immensely talented you must be?

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah, but the bad thing about it is the NFL is not patient because you have to understand people jobs on the line. So when you draft the quarterback that high, that high, and you're expecting to be not only a generational talent, a franchise changing quarterback. You know, listen, the Texans did it. Hell, the Commanders did it. So. Not understanding.

[Ocho]

Look how many, look how many games. Look how many games J. Daniel started, though. He started like damn near 50 games. Oh, yeah?

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah. And that's the difference. Well, obviously there, there needs to be a little patience on the Indianapolis Colts side on that franchise, but they don't have that kind of patience. They don't have that kind of time because people jobs are on the line.

[Ocho]

People jobs, patient for the simple fact in three years, I'm gonna have to give a guy a quarter of a billion dollars. And you telling me to be patient now? It's not something like, you know, once upon a time, if I could see Ocho, if it's like, If I got 10 cars, you know, I get like, man, this car might be worth something. I can sit that one to the side. I Can't sit, my man. Because growing up, Ocho, we had a Chevelle. We had a. A Chevelle SF with the rally racing stripes down it. We had all. We had a Malibu, had all that stuff. We couldn't set that car aside because that was our everyday car, right? I can't stash Anthony Richardson because I need him to play, but I need him to play well because in three years, I'm gonna have to give him a quarter of a billion dollars. I'm about to have to get. Somebody's about to get a contract for 400 million, Ocho, and 250 to 300, 275 is going to be guaranteed. So I can't stash it. I can't be patient. Now, it used to be I'm gonna let the eggs hatch. Nah, I get my chicklets from smashing the eggs. Come on up out of there. Damn it. I just being honest with you, Ocho. Look, you've been in the league, I've been in the league. We've been around the league. That's how it is now. Ain't nobody waiting. Ain't nobody waiting on you.

[Michael F. Florio]

Listen, most of the time, honestly, you think about owners. Think about owners, especially in the NFL, they. They want instant gratification. They want. You know, because most of the owners, they are. They're businessmen. And most of the time, what businessmen do is when they want results. Right? Now, yes, they throw money at it, but it doesn't work like that in NFL. It doesn't work like that. So the frustration piles up, because in other areas of business and aspects that I have going on around, once I throw money at something, right away I get results. But it just doesn't work that way when it comes to NFL and finding an adequate quarterback that you can rely on for a decade that you just build around.

[Ocho]

One thing that you and I talk about is that all of a sudden you start to base your success on somebody else's. See it, they don't have patience. Because I'm looking around the league and I see what Bo Nicks did. I look around the league and I see what Jaden Daniels did. I look around the league and I see what C.J. stroud did. So now, hold on. Oh, wait, wait. You went higher than Bo. Why you not playing like that? Why can't you be. Why can't you be CJ Stroud? Why can't you be Jaden Daniels? So now you're basing your guy's success on someone else's success. And so now it's almost like Ocho, you looking at somebody else. You basing your marriage on someone else's. Okay, they look happy, but you don't know. You don't know what they put into their marriage to be happy. You don't know what, how they're coaching said player. You don't know how he receives information. You don't understand how he processes information. So with all that being said, you looking at it, you just looking at like, well, damn, I see, look at his numbers and look at my quarterback numbers. It's not, it's not that black and white. It's not that cut and dry. There's a lot of, there are a lot of other things that go into it, whether or not a player will be successful. And now I got to like, okay, like you said, okay, be patient.

[Michael F. Florio]

Well.

[Ocho]

That'S where you do your homework. And if you take it, if you take it a project, you have to be patient. You can't expect them to come out and be like, be like C.J. stroud. You can't expect him to be like Jane Daniels. You can't expect him to be like Caleb Williams. A guy that started at Oklahoma, what was it? Oklahoma. And then he follows a Lincoln Rod in the USC. You can't expect that. That man got 30 plus stars on his bill. You got half that. Jayden Daniel got like, damn, 50 starts. You don't have that. So if you, if it's like Ocho, it's like a, a car, an old school car. You just can't slap it together. When people say they're doing a rebuild on the car, they're going to take their time and do it. It's going to take them years. But the problem is is that I have other cars I can drive so I'm not counting on this car so I can take my time. Ocho, bro, this pro sports, they not wait. Yeah, they're not waiting. Those days of, oh, in two or three years, man, look here, I might be dead. They like, I might be dead. I might. So I might have done sold a team. I'm not waiting two or three years. I need you to get it right now. And when you don't get it right, you're not going to have too many guys that you get. You select in the top five and they don't pan out.

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[Michael F. Florio]

I said 32.

[Ocho]

I say somewhere between 28. 32. You was at 32. I said I don't see him going north of DK, but hey, plus he's a little older Ocho. And you don't want to be the team to set that precedent because I was reading today of the 24 guys that's got these new deals, only one is 30 years of age of older when signing him and that's Tyreek. Tyreek is unique because Tyreek might be the oldest, but he outrun everybody that's on this list.

[Michael F. Florio]

Every last one.

[Ocho]

So with that being said, congratulations Terry. Well deserved five consecutive thousand yard season. He was second in the NFL in touchdown catches last year behind Chase who won the triple crown. Very, very well deserved. I was glad the Commanders came through. Reward your players. That's exemplary. Not only on the field, but off the field as well. I always like to see teams reward their players they drafted. They're homegrown. You know that player. Reward it. Go ahead. Oo.

[Michael F. Florio]

I have a question. Can you please explain to me why management, why the powers that be always. No, it doesn't take that long to do the numbers. I don't know who does the books with the Commanders. It doesn't take that long. Why do we wait until the end of training camp, preseason passes by and then all of a sudden you decide to pay your player two weeks before the season starts?

[Ocho]

I don't understand without being privy to both sides. Maybe he offered concessions. Maybe they came Up a little. Remember it was being reported he wanted north of what DK got. DK was at 33. So maybe he dropped down. Maybe a he lowered his ceiling. Maybe they lifted the floor. We don't know without being privy to both sides of the information. But at the end of the day, Ocho. Yeah. You would like for it to be a little smoother transition or like for things to go a lot smoother. But at the end of the day isn't the job is to get the. Get the deal done?

[Michael F. Florio]

Yes, yes.

[Ocho]

And I think he had. He was dealing with an injury anyway, so I don't know how soon he was going to be able to practice. Now this gives him an opportunity, gives him a couple of weeks work some of the dust off. He gonna be tired. He gonna be. Hey, he gonna be. Hey, he gonna be tired like a one leg man in the ass kicking contest.

[Michael F. Florio]

Hell yeah.

[Ocho]

Because I tell people all the time, Ocho, and you know this. You get in shape playing football. You can wear all the wind sprints you want. That ain't football. Cause you don't got no helmet, you don't got no shoulder pads, you don't got people tugging on you, and you ain't got cleats on your feet.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So if or in order for you to get in football shape, you gotta play football. That's what you gotta do. That's what in track and field, you don't see them doing anything else. You don't see them playing basketball to get in shape. You get in track shape by running. Track.

[Michael F. Florio]

Running track.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Football shape by playing football. Basketball shape by playing basketball.

[Michael F. Florio]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

That's how you get in shape. And so, and I agree with you, you were talking about this like, man, I just hate when these holdout because then you run the risk of soft tissue because. Because you haven't pushed your body. And they want, they. Hey, hey, take these next couple of red. Like. Nah, bro, let me, let me build up to it. Let me build a little callous. Let me build up to that, bro. Hey, don't push me too hard, too fast because groins, hamstring, quads, adductors. Adductors. But. But I'm glad Scary Terry got this deal done. Oh, yeah. You know, hey, he got, he got what he wanted. He got 30 million signing bonuses. He was trying to get that DK because I think DK got 60 million guaranteed.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So he was kind of looking for. Hey, look, bro, you straight? You straight? Yeah. Hey, that, that 15 you a third round pick if you took Care of your money. This right here just decided, bonus alone, you should be good even before you even get to the big money that you're going to start making next year. You should be straight. He seems like a guy that has his head on straight. He'll do good with his money. But I'm glad Washington, I always like that, Ocho. I like when teams reward their players. I do guys that, you know. I mean, Cincinnati, they drafted you. They saw you. They. They know your work habits. They know what you do.

[Michael F. Florio]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Ocho]

I hate. I don't. I don't like. So let me get this straight. I've been here four or five years, you hard time me, but come free agency, you go get this joker here. You don't know what he like.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You don't know what his practice habits is. You don't know anything about the guy, but you go give him a boatload of money. You see me every day busting my ass, and then you hard time me about my paper.

[Michael F. Florio]

Well, yeah. That's crazy.

[Ocho]

I'm like, bro, damn, that's crazy. But it's nice to know y' all got some money. So when I go knock it on the door next year, I don't want to hear nothing.

[Michael F. Florio]

I want to hear no excuses.

[Ocho]

I would. I would hear nothing. Oo. Yeah, but Jamar Chase is the highest paid at 40.250. And then you got Jetta. But there's a big gap between who's going to be able to fill that gap, who's going to be available. Oo. To go in between that 35 and 40. Or who pole vaults over Chase, Puka, Nakua.

[Michael F. Florio]

No, no. It's going to be a minute. It's going to be a minute. Huh?

[Ocho]

You got neighbors. You got Brian Thomas Jr.

[Michael F. Florio]

There it is. It would probably be Neighbors. Neighbors or Brian Thomas Jr. If anything. It would probably be neighbors. Brian Thomas Jr. Might fall right up under that. Right, right up under that. But the next who I say neighbors might get maybe 42, 43.

[Ocho]

See, Chase had the perfect storm because he had this in a contract year. So he got the triple crown in a contract year.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So if you give him what he's asking for, maybe you get him for 35, 36, 37. But now since you didn't, you got attack on. You got to pay a tax. You got to pay a penalty tax.

[Michael F. Florio]

But listen, they, they, they, they bet. They bet against him.

[Ocho]

That's what they do. Yeah.

[Michael F. Florio]

I mean, it happens all the time.

[Ocho]

I wouldn't. You know why? I Wouldn't bet against him.

[Michael F. Florio]

Right.

[Ocho]

Because his best friend is the quarterback.

[Michael F. Florio]

Quarterback.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, he gonna feed him.

[Michael F. Florio]

He gonna get it to him.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Michael F. Florio]

And he. And he got, he got, he got it to him too.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. I sent him. I'd have sent him a rich meal. I got him a Patek. I'd have got him something real nice. Yeah, for sure.

[Michael F. Florio]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Nico Collins already got paid.

[Ocho]

I think he did.

[Michael F. Florio]

Okay. Okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Michael F. Florio]

So it'd be one of the young Bulls. I don't know if they get the 40. But Malik, Malik Neighbors is.

[Ocho]

They might because of the time Ocho think about. So he got signed this deal this off season. By the time they come up, that's going to be 27. So that'll be, that'll be two years, three years. So if a price is going up.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah, yeah. It probably be Malik Neighbors and Brian.

[Ocho]

Thomas and probably guess what, don't you another thing is going to happen. There'll probably be an 18th game.

[Michael F. Florio]

Ah, that's right.

[Ocho]

That 18th game gonna be here. 28. I'm saying 28.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah. Probably bigger piece of the pie too. So.

[Ocho]

Hey, so. But I'm glad Terry gets it. He. He's right there with Garrett Wilson, A.J. brown, Terry McLaurin. They're all around 32 million. And then you got Almond Ross, St. Brown, Brandon Ayuk, Tyreek T. Higgins at 11, Jalen Waddle is at 12. So the 2019 draft third round pick has been the team's receipt leader in reception and receiving yards each of his six seasons. He's put together a string of five straight 1000 yard campaigns. Ocho becoming the first first in NFL history to do so with a different quarterback every year per NFL research. So he's had a different starting quarterback basically every single year he's been there. He's. He's putting together kind of like what D Hop did with Houston. It didn't matter who D Hop. I could have been throwing to D Hop and he was going, going to be an all pro. Yeah, he had to. Now when he got desean, it really took him to another level. But it didn't matter if it was Case Keenum, if it was Brian Hoyer, if it was Brock Oswald. He. He Hop ain't give a damn who the quarterback was. D Hop was putting in work on everybody.

[Michael F. Florio]

Everybody, everybody.

[Ocho]

So that's how D Hop made. Really made a name for himself because he could have used every excuse, man, give me a quarterback. Like give me, give me this or give me That D. Hop said, no, I got who I got. But y' all know I am who I am.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah. All you had to do is put the ball in the vicinity. That's it.

[Ocho]

I still don't believe this, man. Bill o' Brien traded D. Hop for a damn running back.

[Michael F. Florio]

I don't know.

[Ocho]

You talking about a top? You talk about a top? At the time, D. H. Was had to be top two, top three receiver.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Now, if I'm not.

[Ocho]

You traded for a running back?

[Michael F. Florio]

No, I think he. He wanted to get paid too, if I'm not mistaken. Right?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah. I mean, that. That. That. That's always. That's always the deal. That's always the problem.

[Ocho]

And. And. And the running back is already out of the league. And D Hop still going. He goes to Arizona, has great seasons. He's not the same D Hop that he once was. But, hell, who is at year 12 unless you, Jerry. Everybody starting to slow down. 12, year 12, 13. Ocho, if you're fortunate enough to play that long at the receiver position. Only Jerry was still putting up crazy. Jerry had 1200 yards at faulty. What, 40 year old? You know that's gonna be play. I mean, think about it. Jenna gotta be 26. You think Jenna gonna put up 1200 yards 14 years from now? Hell, no. Hey, people don't realize. People don't realize how long that Ocho. People don't realize how long Jerry actually played. Yeah, Very in the numbers. You got to realize it. What was that? 97. He tore his ACL the first game of the season. Came back that same season.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

He caught two touchdowns against us.

[Michael F. Florio]

The funny thing about it is his situation is. Was. Is probably a little different than everybody else is because he was a focal point of the offense when it came to passing the ball. He was still the viable number one option.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Michael F. Florio]

The targets and opportunity always presented itself. Now, most of the. Most of the players just. You know, in this day and age, when you reach a certain age and you hit 30, you know, they start acting funny with you.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. They find somebody else.

[Michael F. Florio]

Hey, bingo. Then they'll decrease your opportunities, they'll decrease your targets, and they'll say, oh, well, you lost a step. I ain't lose nothing. Don't play with me.

[Ocho]

They did it to him, too. They drafted J.J. stokes. And the next year, who they draft Ocho T. Your boy. Oh, yeah. So it happened to everybody. Don't think. Don't think, because. Oh, you j. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They look at. Replace you they looking. Yeah. And then to put together that a monster season. Oh, oh. And they put together the monster season. Tio had that game against the bears where he had 265 and 20 catches. On Jerry Rice Day, the Bears say, nah, if somebody else can catch for 300 yards, get 30 passes, but it won't be him.

[Michael F. Florio]

You ain't touching it.

[Ocho]

And guess what? T.O. went crazy. Went crazy, Ed, as they say. The rest is history.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah, but.

[Ocho]

It seems to me, Ocho, and we're going to talk about this a little bit with the Bengals, is that the team has all the leverage. Guys are not willing to miss a million dollars. Guys are not willing to miss 800,000. $2,000,000. Guys are not willing to miss that kind of money, Ocho.

[Michael F. Florio]

Right.

[Ocho]

So although they might be in the right, I have a great foundation to stand on. I need to be compensated because I've outperformed the contract. I know this. You know this. If I had underperformed the contract, you would have released me. So I've outperformed the contract, compensate me. But very few guys are willing to risk now. I wouldn't miss the whole season. Probably I would come back eight games because I want to get accredited. Because if you missed the whole season, you lose accreditation. You don't get credit for that season. So you got to get at least eight games, Ocho, in order to get credit for the season. But Ocho guys ain't really trying to Ms. No 9, 10, $12 million.

[Michael F. Florio]

Nah.

[Ocho]

So, and, and, and so that's the leverage that the, the, the teams have. And they know it. They know you're not going to miss that money. See, Jerry knows. Jerry says I, I all that up. Jerry gonna go to the bank and say, hey, check this out. I'm gonna be a little, I'm, I'm gonna be a little slow this month, so I'll probably catch y' all in October. Okay. Mr. Jones, Jerry just got a check for 432 in March.

[Michael F. Florio]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

So they'll, they'll put that down the road. I can't go to my kids school, say, you know, I'm a little behind this month. Can y'. All. No, no, no, Mr. Sharp, we gonna need that $3,000 childcare. We gonna need that $15,000 for school private tuition. They not. They'll give those guys the benefit of the doubt.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Just like us. We in situations, Ocho, that we get things from financial institutions that normal people couldn't go do. Right, I understand. I'm not here trying to tell you Know, I'm just saying there are certain things that they'll allow us to do. Knowing who we are, knowing the financial situation that we're in, they're going to be a little bit more lax. Right. But guys are just. They just can't. They just can't afford to leave that kind of money on the table. And it's been going on for so long. Guys, like, they fight it as long as they can.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

But you got. They do hold in. But, you know, Ocho, at the end of the day, like I said, I just can't see a situation where Michael Parson is going to leave 1.3 million on the table.

[Michael F. Florio]

Hey, I just can't. Hey, I don't know.

[Ocho]

Hey. Because think about it. 1.3 million and Texas.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah, I know, but still, I don't know, because you're going to. If you. If you fold here, if you fold here, then that. That's your leverage. Then you're not. You. You don't hit. You don't get it.

[Ocho]

Didn't Jerry tell you? We got him under contract for three more years. He has no leverage.

[Michael F. Florio]

He not gonna play with him like that.

[Ocho]

Did you see Jerry slide to the front of his chair when he talked to Stephen A. Yeah. When somebody slide to the front of.

[Michael F. Florio]

Their chair, they mean business.

[Ocho]

Okay?

[Michael F. Florio]

They mean business. Listen, in a conversation like that, when it comes to money and you slide forward or when you're playing video games, this is very important. I know you don't play video games, but the chat can attest to this. When stuff is getting serious and it's in the fourth quarter and you slide up in your chair and get closer to the monitor.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Michael F. Florio]

It's go time. It's go time. You mean nothing but business at that point, so. I know, I know Gary was serious. I knew he was serious. Any minutes.

[Ocho]

He wanted to make sure Stephen A. Understood.

[Michael F. Florio]

Right.

[Ocho]

The seriousness of what he was saying.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

We got him under contract for three more years. Yeah. So he's telling you I got this fifth year option and I got two franchise tags. I'm not afraid to use them.

[Michael F. Florio]

That's nasty work, too, though. That's nasty work. Matter of fact, to even mention that, to even say that. And no, it doesn't surprise me based on some of the comments he said previously.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Michael F. Florio]

When talking about, well, just if I pay him, that doesn't mean he's gonna be available because he got hurt.

[Ocho]

What? That's still.

[Michael F. Florio]

That's still just.

[Ocho]

Did you watch. Have you been watching the documentary?

[Michael F. Florio]

No, I. I Still. I still ain't. I still ain't.

[Ocho]

Okay? In 19, I think it was 96 when he did the deal outside of the NFL. Cause the NFL, with Nike. He did a deal with Field Night. Nike and the league sued him for 250 million.

[Michael F. Florio]

Who won?

[Ocho]

Hold on.

[Michael F. Florio]

Come on.

[Ocho]

They sued him for 250 million. Jerry turned around and countersued them for 700 million. Talking about they had a monopoly. So they was at the owner's meeting, they had ignorant talk, okay? Now they asked Jerry to leave because they about to talk about him, right? So Jerry tells the story that he got up, he gets up and he starts to walk out because he knows he can't be a part of the meeting, right? He said, I know, guys. You guys are suing me for 300 million and you gonna try to take my ball club. He said, I know that's what y' all gonna do. He said, but I tell you what, I'm suing you for 700 million. And if I win, I'm gonna collect every effing cent.

[Michael F. Florio]

Wait, he talked. He talked. Wait, hold on. He got cajones like that.

[Ocho]

He says, I know what y' all trying to do. He say, but if I win, I'm gonna collect every. I don't care how long it takes. I'm gonna collect every effing set.

[Michael F. Florio]

Timeout. What's the cowboy documentary on Netflix? Man, I'm going to watch this tonight, boy. How many?

[Ocho]

How many?

[Michael F. Florio]

How many?

[Ocho]

It's like eight episode. Eight episodes.

[Michael F. Florio]

Oh, I got to see that.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Hold on, Pat.

[Michael F. Florio]

Paul Taglabu went for that.

[Ocho]

What you going to do? Because at the end of the day, look, them owners legal fees are coming out of their pockets, right? That's why every time they, like, hey, the longer something goes on, litigation goes on. Those billable hours. I know a little something about billable hours. When you start getting up there. Oo, you start getting up there, a thousand, fifteen hundred, two thousand dollars an hour. And everything is a charge. You call a. How's it going? That's a charge, right? They go down there and file. That's a charge. They answer a motion. That's a charge.

[Michael F. Florio]

Jesus.

[Ocho]

You in court, that's a charge.

[Michael F. Florio]

But that's a different ball game, too.

[Ocho]

See, Jerry was saying, hold on. Jerry said, hold on. I'm doing four times what anybody else is doing, but I'm getting 1 30th of it. No more.

[Michael F. Florio]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Ocho]

No more.

[Michael F. Florio]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Ocho]

Look, the one thing that the NFL don't like get sued. That's why they kind of let this, this left alone. Al said, I'm Al said I'm going to la. Nah, Al, you can't do that. I sue you. I'm going back to Oakland. Al, you can't do that. I'll sue you.

[Michael F. Florio]

I'm excited now. How did, oh yeah, how did the story end with the NFL and Jerry?

[Ocho]

Jerry is the only one that's not a part of the revenue sharing when it comes to merchandise, when it comes to that stuff.

[Michael F. Florio]

So he pockets everything.

[Ocho]

Everything. That's the Dallas Cowboys. He the NFL said they own the logo, right? No, you don't. I, I believe that.

[Sarah Spain]

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[Ocho]

Your podcasts, presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

[Jake Hofer / Marcus Grant / Dan / Ty]

I'm Jake Hofer and this is Back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Ocho]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without gun. Good access is not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer / Marcus Grant / Dan / Ty]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Football is back. That's right. The new NFL season is here and you should be listening to NFL Daily as we march along to Super Bowl 60. This is a show for sickos like me. NFL Daily is your kind of show. It's in the name NFL Daily. You'll have fresh content in your feed all season long. Myself, Greg Rosenthal and an all star cast of co hosts will preview and recap every game all season long. Josh Allen coming off an MVP season and now lateral to Allen and reaching for the pylon. Are you kidding me? It's a touchdown. Have you ever seen that one before? Rookies making a name for themselves. Bulldozer. He is bouncing off defenders and drag down. And of course, the Eagles trying to win another Lombardi.

[Ocho]

What a game. What a season. What a team.

[Michael F. Florio]

Eagles fans savor it and rejoice.

[Jake Hofer / Marcus Grant / Dan / Ty]

Listen to NFL daily on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Marcus Grant. And I'm Michael F. Florio and together.

[Michael F. Florio]

We host the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

[Ocho]

Fantasy season is here and the question is, are you ready to dominate your league?

[Jake Hofer / Marcus Grant / Dan / Ty]

Because if you're not locked in with.

[Michael F. Florio]

Us, the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, you're already playing from behind.

[Ocho]

Every episode we're breaking down the biggest.

[Jake Hofer / Marcus Grant / Dan / Ty]

Fantasy headlines, injury updates you need before.

[Ocho]

Kickoff, and matchups you can exploit to bury your competition.

[Jake Hofer / Marcus Grant / Dan / Ty]

We're talking sleeper picks, breakout stars, and the players you can't afford to bench.

[Ocho]

Whether it's rookies making noise or for veterans keeping their value, we cover it all.

[Jake Hofer / Marcus Grant / Dan / Ty]

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[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

So what's it going to be?

[Jake Hofer / Marcus Grant / Dan / Ty]

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[Ocho]

Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or.

[Jake Hofer / Marcus Grant / Dan / Ty]

Wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ocho]

All Pro safety Kyle Hamilton and the Ravens have reached an agreement. A four year extension worth $100.4 million is the largest deal for safety in NFL history, and the deal includes $82 million guaranteed. However, they got a bigger deal looming. Lamar Jackson. His salary cap number is 43.5 million and 25, 74 and a half million and 26. Yeah, Lamar continued. He still represents himself here and his mom. Are we headed for a long, drawn out negotiation or this is going to be simple and painless.

[Michael F. Florio]

It's going to be simple and plain as simply the fact this is quarterback number one. This is the future of your organization probably for the next 10 years. Obviously we saw Young Bull down there in Buffalo get his deal. I forgot what the numbers were, but I know I think it was in north was maybe 300, 330, something like that.

[Ocho]

300 with 250. 250 guaranteed.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah, guaranteed. So Obviously Lamar is going to be somewhere, probably going to leapfrog that in some way, shape, form or fashion representation, being his mom, them having the right people in their corner, understanding how everything works, being that they've already worked one deal. So it's pretty easy where the numbers are going to be and they're going to work it out. And I'm, I'm not maybe, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens maybe before the season or maybe in the middle of the season, but it's probably going to get done is simply when it comes to certain, certain players. When it comes to certain players, especially this position, you don't play no games. You don't play games in that position. So the quarterbacks have nothing to worry about except just football.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I, I, I, I like them going ahead and getting this deal with Cal Hamilton out of the way. They tied up. The Ravens are normally very, very good about this. Their homegrown talent, they take care of those guys. They always have. I believe they're always, they always will. You go back and look at the Jonathan Ogman, the Ray Lewis's, the Terrell Suns, the Ed Reeds, those guys, they take care of their guys. They've always done that. They took care of Lamar, that they did make Lamar play, you know, or the franchise tag one year, I'm surprised. Well, he didn't play in the franchise tag. Nobody even put money down when. So how many guys needed a quarterback and could have given up easily? Two first round draft picks, I don't think. I think that's the Gordon rate for a quarterback. Of Lamar, two first rounders, you'd have been gladly giving those guys up because hell, you figure that when you give those guys up that you're going to be so far down in the draft is not going to harm you. You don't think when you get Lamar Jackson you're going to be picking in the top 10 again? What that's being said, they took care of Kyle Hamilton, now they can put their attention on Lamar Jackson. And I agree with you at some point in time this deal is going to get done. They're not going into the season next year with a $75 million cap hit for a quarterback. Could I potentially see them doing something done, getting something done? It all depends on him because at the end of the day, Ocho, you said it best. He and his mom are their representation. They do have an NFLPA attorney. I think they help them read over language and probably pay an hourly rate or something like that. That's better. Than giving up 3 to 4%. I'll pay you hourly. I'll give you, you know, 15, whatever the case may be, let's just say a round number. Let's just say a thousand dollars an hour for you to reel the contract to make sure everything's on the up and up. All the languages is what it needs to be. But with that being said, he's not going into next season with no $75 million cap yet. That's, that's for damn sure. I think it's going to be, it's going to happen sooner rather than later that he's going to get something done. And I can see, I agree with you. I can see them somewhere at some point in time getting a deal done. If he wants to get it done, he might say, well, if we don't get this thing done by the first game, I'm done talking contracts until after the season.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah, obviously when you think about someone like Lamar, someone like Lamar that I know personally, he's strictly football when it comes to the business side of things. Obviously he has mom right there to handle those issues. But Lamar is one that just wants to play football and we understand the nature of the business and you don't want to get yourself in any type of distractional situations that can take you from said game of football. But obviously his eye is on the prize and that eye is on the prize had nothing to do with money because he's already been paid. So his focus is on doing what we need to do to dominate in the AFC north and contend and get oursel to for one, the playoffs and to get, get over the hump of getting out the playoffs and having a chance at the goddamn.

[Ocho]

You're absolutely right. Look, the guy's a two time mvp. You're not gonna pay.

[Michael F. Florio]

Hey, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Ocho]

He's a three time, can't do that. We got to give him what he got.

[Michael F. Florio]

I, I don't, I don't, I don't care what the numbers say. He's a three time MVP. Now. They took one of those MVPs from him based on one of the best statistical seasons from a quarterback in the history of the game. So it was that. I love Josh Allen, but last year's MVP was a damn here. That's what that was. I'm, I'm just being, I'm just, I'm just being realistic. Huh? That's what, damn here. That's what that was.

[Ocho]

And, but you pay, you're Going to pay Lamar Jackson, the guy that's not even 30 years of age yet you're going to pay him. You believe the next five to seven years he'll still put up the kind of numbers that he's been putting up the last three to four years. 30, 40 pass touchdowns still can give you somewhere between five and 800 rush yards. Low turnover rate. Like you said, he just needs to get over that hunt. He just needs to get that one time to, to play like Lamar Jackson in the regular season because so many times we've seen him, he went like a stretch where he had eight, nine games. Oh, he ain't turned the ball over. He didn't fumble the ball, he didn't throw a pick. He did none of that. And then he got, I think in that playoff game, the division around against Baltimore, he ended up having two turnovers. Look, he still had him in position. Yes. If the tight end, if he catches that, Mark Andrews, if he catches that two point play now we, we're possibly in overtime or, or I mean the defense is going to have to stand to keep Josh Allen out of field goal range and then we go to overtime. We'll never know. But we have yet to see Lamar Jackson play in a, in a big time game come post season. Like the Lamar Jackson that we thought should have won the mvp. See, because that guy showed up, right? They go into the super bowl and that's, and that's, and that's what we, that's what we keep expecting Ocho, that's what we keep wanting to see because we know we have, we have, he has it in him because we've seen it. It's not like we're asking, we're not asking Lamar Jackson to do anything he has not put on tape in the regular season. That's the only thing because we've seen him put on tape. He throw for 300, he'll rush for 50, 70, 80 yards. We've seen him have three touchdown passes, two touchdown rushing. So we're not asking him to do anything that we have not already seen with our own eyes. It's just that in the playoffs, more times than not he's turned the ball over. And yeah, once he gets that out of his way, you know, it's sometimes it takes other long. We've gotten spoiled. Tom Brady went his first, second first year starting, he went. Patrick Mahomes his first year starting, he goes to the FC championship game. The next year, his second year starting, he wins, he wins the super bowl. He wins regular season mvp. And that same thing with Lamar. Think about it. Lamar, his first year starting, he won soup, he won the mvp. So we know who, what he can capable of. We just need him to be that person come playoff time. And if he does that, the Raven's gonna be hell. Because the Ravens got, they got a heck of a football team. They got a heck of a football team. I think John Harbaugh is an unbelievable coach. Defensively they got guys that fly around to the football. They got Jahir Alexander, they got Wiggins outside, they got Marlon Humphrey in the slot. They got Hamilton, they took a. I think they took another safety in the first round. They're good. Roquan Smith, look, they're loaded. They're loaded. They got Bateman, they got the other ones of Zay Flowers, the running back. Ricard is back. They got Derrick Henry, they got Staley is back. Lamar, they are loaded. Now Lively is going to be out a little while because I think he got dealing with a foot injury. But they got Mark Andrews who's been an all pro, who's gone to multiple pro Bowls. This team is loaded, this team is equipped and they should, should be thinking hey, we got to take care of our, we got to take care of business and win our division. But they should have loftier expectations based on the personnel that they have on the team and based on the coach, the coaching staff that they have. But yeah, Lamar, they're going to get something done. 43.5 million, that's not, that's not excessive as far as the cap ocho but 75, yeah, that's excessive.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah, that's way.

[Ocho]

During Terry McCarran's push for a new contract. Age was cited as a big factor in the reluctance. Terry turns 30 in mid September. That ultimately didn't stop the team from agreeing on a three year deal without with the wide out. At the press conference today, McLaren was asked about his response to the concerns that neither he nor the deal will age. Well, the data is the data but I think people are outliers. There are people who may not necessarily fit into that set of data. Only time will tell. But I feel like where things are in my ability in January I ran like 60 yard screen for a touchdown. My speed hasn't diminished at all. My toughness is there. If anything my savviness of playing receiver has grown.

[Michael F. Florio]

Hey, listen, hey, honestly I'm just listen. All the analytics and data and stuff that they have based on age and, and, and wear and tear and amount of miles on your legs, none of that really matters.

[Ocho]

No, it doesn't matter to us. It matters to them.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah, no, it don't matter us. It just matters to those who cut those check. Yeah, that's all. That's all. And so they look at it from a business standpoint, maybe I won't get another Terry McLaren. I can get somebody that can give me half the production, and I can. I can put that money elsewhere. That's the way they think. But when it comes to a team that is on the verge of being able to. To a Super bowl that has a young quarterback that you haven't had to pay yet, you want to make a deal like this happen, which I don't understand why they were waiting. From a business standpoint, why are we waiting? Are you serious about winning? Them getting that deal done for Terry McLaren lets me know that they're serious about winning. And the quarterback not having the power or leverage to be able to go upstairs and say, listen, we need to get this done. We need to get this done because we have a small window of opportunity. We have a good. We have okay defense. But I understand we could do offensively if we have number 17 in this room, for us to make that run for Lombardi, hell, we got to the NFC Championship with him. He was. I'm not sure what percentage, but he was. He was responsible for a high percentage of that offense, especially when it comes to throwing the ball in the air. So what is that a play about? I don't care what data. I don't care what analytics say. I know what happens. I know what he does when you put. When you turn that goddamn film on. And 17, he gonna show up every time.

[Ocho]

The question is, Ocho, what we don't know. We're not privy to these conversations. Did he lower the ceiling or did they raise the floor?

[Michael F. Florio]

That's a good one.

[Ocho]

That's. That's what you. You and I are not privy to those conversations. So. And what, What I mean by that chat, did he lower his price or did they raise their. Did they raise their offer? And, and, and so that's what we don't know. All we know is that the deal got done. You and I both think maybe it took a little longer than probably what it should. But in any negotiation, there needs to be a give and take. Because you. You don't want someone to begrudgingly give you something, and then you guys become resentful of each other. But by the same token, yeah, you don't want to, like, man, feel like you got screwed over because now you're gonna feel like you. You know, they tried, they took advantage of you. So I, I think at this, at the number that he ended up getting, I think everybody can live. I think everybody can live with that. He doesn't have to go in and play on that fifth year option. Now he gets to cut. Now he gets to what? I think he gets to come in and get a good number. Like I said. Ocho, what, what, what can he do with 32 million that he only needed 34 million to be able to do it?

[Michael F. Florio]

Right, Right. Yeah. Listen, he comes in fair. It's a respect, absolutely respectful offer. Obviously, is not the highest. It's not as high as you want, obviously, because you are 30. But they found a happy medium, a happy medium for him. His family, wife, kids, they can be happy. The team is happy. Jaden Daniels gets his court. Jaden Daniel. Jane Daniels gets his receiver on a nice, peace, sound mind. So now all you can do, the business side of it is over. Let's go play football. Let's play football and prepare. Prepare for week one with no distractions.

[Ocho]

Yeah, we all good. You know, they're have to do something with Laramie, Tunsil, they're gonna have to do something with Louisville that, you know, they. What are they going to do anything with Marshawn Lattimore. That's the great. Jane Daniels is coming up in after next year. So, you know, they got some other pieces and they needed to get this out of the way so they don't have this, you know, going into a next season with Tunsil and Lovu and those other. And a few other guys on show. Let's go ahead and piece by piece because in two years, you'll have to go see five, I think, you know, ain't Jane Daniels five? Yeah, you're gonna have to see it.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yep.

[Ocho]

And it's gonna cost you a chunk of change. Now. It's gonna. Hey, yeah.

[Michael F. Florio]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. You have to do something strange for a little because you have to do something strange to pay that piece of change.

[Michael F. Florio]

And you gotta understand, you got. You got three quarterbacks, right? That's gonna come up and it's gonna break the bank for their team. So you want to take advantage of those situations now over there in Houston, boy, you better back the Brink truck up down there in Washington. You better be able to back the Brink truck up at some point. I think after the season. No, Caleb Williams got one more Bo Nicks. They're gonna have to back the Brink truck.

[Ocho]

Well, he got another year, too.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah, yeah, he, him and Caleb, him and Bo, Nick be at the same.

[Ocho]

All them came out the same trail.

[Michael F. Florio]

Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Come on, talk to me now. Talk to me nice too. Let me know show, Let me show me how much you love me.

[Ocho]

It's gonna be. Yeah. I mean, look, the thing is, you try to win as much as you can. Because when these quarterbacks, these young quarterbacks, when it's time to dance now, it, it, it, it kind of inhibits what you're able to do. You can't just arbitrarily go, okay, I just go get that. Because when you have him on his rookie contract, you can do that. You can go get a guy and think about just one year. Okay, I think about just the now, just the here. But once you, once you pay that guy and you talk about you paying a guy 50, 60, and you're looking at this case, you're probably talking about somewhere between 63 and 60, 67, $68 million. Who knows? Maybe even you touch 70.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah. So you're looking at a quarter of a bill, a quarter, you know, a quarter of a billion guaranteed. So that's, that's, that's, that's, that's kind of where you're headed now. So with that being said, I think, you know, these guys, these general managers in the teams are trying to link the lock, lock these guys up. So we don't want to have to do. I'm trying to do Laramy Tunel, I'm trying to do Lou, I'm trying to do Jaden Daniels. I'm trying to do whomever else. Let me go ahead and get. Do I deal one thing. I can fight one battle at a time. I don't want to spread myself too thin. Let me fight one battle at a time. But okay, I gotta fight Jane Daniels. Let me go ahead and get this taken care of. Okay? I need to deal with Tunsil, I need to deal with Lovu. I needed whomever let me deal with one individual at a time. And I think that they'll be better served with that. But it was, it was good that McLaurin got his, got his money. You know, look, whether we like it or not, Ocho, everybody is losing Analytics. Analytics. Because guess what else? Everybody using AI. Pretty soon they gonna come with AI. The team will be using AI to determine.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah, I mean, the game, the game of football is still football at the end of the day. I don't care what technology, what data, what analytics that teams try to go off of certain type of Players win you championships, you're going to need your dogs in there. There are certain things that analytics and data can't measure. They can't measure skill, they can't measure heart. Sometimes you got to use your eyes and goddamn common sense.

[Ocho]

The Panthers trade Adam Thielen to the Vikings at the veteran receiver returns home. He is from Minnesota. The teams agreed to pop to swap picks. The Vikings gave up a fifth round pick in 26 and a fourth round pick in 27. Carolina yields a conditional seventh round pick in 26 and a fifth round in 27. Ocho, did the Vikings get better bringing him back?

[Michael F. Florio]

I think they got better. Just the veteran presence in general. Just veteran presence in general having obviously Jordan Addison is going to be out so you have Adam Thielen that can come in right now and play and if you think about it, I'm sure people probably don't see or probably don't know but Adam Thielen and JJ McCarthy they worked out in off season together they were getting routes and even though that's not his quarterback, they were getting some routes in. So there's a little bit of chemistry and familiarity in that area in that sense. So really Adam Thielen coming back, being able to acclimate right back to that offense right back at home, I think they're going to be fine. It's a great addition for them and obviously them, the Panthers let them go let you know how good and how much they believe in that.

[Ocho]

Jimmy Horn made the acting roster. Jimmy Horn Jr. Made the acting roster.

[Michael F. Florio]

You got damn right Jimmy Horn gonna make it. Jimmy Horn is one of the better rookies in the NFL especially when it comes to route running and being able to create separation and get open. So I understood that hell Jimmy was so goddamn good they let brother Hunter Winfro Brother Hunter Winfro go and Winfro is one if considered one of the better route runners and also a creating separation and be able to get open but that's how good, that's how good they are. Obviously I'm very very high, very very high and I've spoke highly of that receiving corp over there in Carolina and if they're, if they're to have a year and want to compete not only in that division but have a successful season is going to be upon the that receiving core leading brother Bryce Young to the promised land. So outside of that I'm happy for Adam Thielen. He's going to be just fine back in Minnesota, J.J. mcCarthy, Justin Jefferson, Adam Thielen and when Jordan Addison comes back. That's a nice trio to have.

[Ocho]

Hawkinson, who's, who's another year removed from that injury. Aaron Jones in the backfield. Yeah, I like, I like the move. This is a Carolina's opportunity. I, I mean, I would have liked for him to stay there and help mentor those, some of those young receivers oo that they have in Carolina. But Carolinas look like it's our guys. It's time for them to grow up. It's time for them to grow up. We're counting on these young guys. You got McMillan, you got Leggette, you got Coco, you got Jimmy Horn Jr. Like you said, so they, they got some young talent now it's just time for them. They don't have a, would you call a veteran presence in that locker room o the receiver position. They have veterans on the team. But I, I like, I, I like the move. Would I have been disappointed if Carolina said no, but they said, you know what, for a fourth round pick in 27. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We go ahead. We let y' all have, we let y' all have this. And I understand Minnesota because like you said, Jordan Addison is going to be gone for three games. So now we got somebody to come in that, a veteran presence that understands the, the gravity and the magnitude of these games. They can't, like, they're, they're in a very tough division. Ojo that Green Bay's in that division, Detroit's in that division. We believe Chicago will be better. That's in that division. So Detroit's like, nah, we don't, we don't have any excuses. We don't have any slippage. We want to get off, hit the ground running. And I think Adam Thielen gives them a great opportunity to do that. But. So I like the trade for both, but if Carolina said nah to keep Adam Thielen and to help him groom some of these young guys, I wouldn't have been upset at that either.

[Michael F. Florio]

Yeah, but you have to understand why they let him go. I think people in the chat need to understand when it comes to veteran players that are on teams and you have a young receiving core that is impressed not only in the preseason but in training camp. That's the only time you let a veteran presence, presence of a player like Adam Thielen go because you trust what you've already seen. You trust what those young, those young bulls have put on film. So now we know. You know what? We gonna be okay. We gonna be okay. And we're going to let them boys take the torch.

[Ocho]

And I'm sure they look a part of us all want to go back home. You know Dorothy, Dorothy wanted to go back to Kansas. That was a part of us, a part of us want to go back to where it started from. And you know, if you think about it, normally time when a lot of people escape what the first place they go, they catch them at home, they go, they go go back to old familiar surroundings. And so I think for Adam, Adam, you know, he's like, man, I'm from Minnesota. I spent the first 10 years of my career in Minnesota. You know what my family, he's probably, Minnesota's probably going to be home for him, man. I mean he's probably fake. It didn't, didn't know if it would ever come to fruition. He probably thinking, man, I sure would like to get home. I sure would like to, you know, finna play a last year or two in Minnesota and here it is, he's going home and Minnesota pull off a swap. They give up a fifth round pick in 26 and a fourth round in 27. Carolina get gets a seventh round pick in 26th and a fifth round in 27. So I think everybody's happy O Joe, but like you said, those your young receivers in Carolina, they did, they, they impressed enough that Carolina was willing to move off a veteran presence, a guy that's steady, dependable, you know exactly what you're going to get. He's hardworking, he's, he's a guy that can men of the young guys. But they said, you know what, these young guys are ready.

[Sarah Spain]

The U.S. open is here and on my podcast Good Game with Sarah Spain, I'm breaking down the players, the predictions, the pressure and of course the the honey deuces, the signature cocktail of the U.S. open. The U.S. open has gotten to be a very wonderfully experiential sporting event. To hear this and more, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network.

[Jake Hofer / Marcus Grant / Dan / Ty]

I'm Jay Kofer and this is Back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Ocho]

Should you? That's what the real question is stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer / Marcus Grant / Dan / Ty]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dan. He's Ty.

[Ocho]

Hello.

[Jake Hofer / Marcus Grant / Dan / Ty]

And we're the Solid Verbal College Football Podcast. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan. Join us all season long as we ride the rollercoaster of this ridiculous sport. Listen to the solid Verbal College football podcasts on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. We don't just love college football, Ty, we live it.

[Ocho]

Check out behind the Flow, a podcast documentary series following the launch of San Diego Football Club.

[Sarah Spain]

San Diego coming to MLS is going.

[Jake Hofer / Marcus Grant / Dan / Ty]

To be a game changer because this.

[Michael F. Florio]

Region has been hungry for a men's professional soccer team.

[Jake Hofer / Marcus Grant / Dan / Ty]

We need to embrace this community.

[Ocho]

Listen to San Diego FC behind the Flow on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Sarah Spain]

This is an I Heart podcast.