Best of NFL News Part 2: Tomlin BLASTS Flacco Trade, Dak PAY CUT?, Micah COMPLAINING?!

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL News Part 2: Tomlin BLASTS Flacco Trade, Dak PAY CUT?, Micah COMPLAINING?!

Date: October 18, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Ocho Cinco), Chad Johnson
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Overview

This lively episode features Shannon Sharpe (Ocho Cinco) and Chad Johnson dissecting the latest NFL stories and controversies, focusing on candid locker room talk, player and coach authenticity, star contracts, leadership, and league officiating. The hosts debate the lines between honesty and breaking locker room codes, key recent player comments (notably from Mike Tomlin, Tua Tagovailoa, and Micah Parsons), and complex contract negotiations (like the impending decisions for Dak Prescott and George Pickens). The episode’s energetic, no-nonsense tone delivers honest, and occasionally heated, insights from two former NFL stars.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mike Tomlin Blasts Joe Flacco Trade

(02:41–04:51)

• Controversy: Steelers’ Mike Tomlin publicly questioned the Browns’ decision to trade Joe Flacco to a division rival, the Bengals.
• Authenticity in Coaching:
  • Chad Johnson lauds Tomlin:

    “That’s authenticity … something he would say if there were no cameras rolling. I enjoy that.” (03:31, Johnson)

  • Ocho pushes Chad on whether all authenticity is always good—comparing Tomlin’s candor to Tua dishing on teammates. Chad draws a line: being truthful vs. ‘snitching.’

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2. Locker Room Code vs. Telling the Truth

(04:52–09:45)

• The Tua Controversy: Tua Tagovailoa’s public calling out of teammates for being late to a players-only meeting sparks a philosophical debate.
• Ocho presses Chad: Shouldn’t a team’s dirty laundry be aired if it’s the truth? Chad insists,

  “You always take issues and put them on yourself … You don’t throw your teammates under the bus.” (06:30, Johnson)

• NFL Code: Chad argues for an unwritten code, likening locker room secrets to street codes:

  “That locker room should not be talked about in front of cameras … You gotta live by the code.” (09:03, Johnson)

• Ocho counters: “So the locker room got the same code as the street.” (09:29, Ocho Cinco)

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3. Jets QB Controversy—Justin Fields vs. Tyrod Taylor

(12:08–16:20)

• Jets’ Internal Debate: Some in the Jets’ building reportedly support backup Tyrod Taylor over starter Justin Fields, believing Fields was handed the job.
• Chad hopes for Fields to succeed, seeing his move to New York as a true shot:

  “Finally you get your team … and for some reason, it just hadn’t panned out.” (12:44, Johnson)

• The hosts break down both QBs’ skills and upcoming schedules, predicting Fields gets a short leash.

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4. Contract Dilemmas—Dak Prescott & George Pickens

(23:46–32:46)

• Can Dallas Afford All Their Stars?
• Ocho raises whether Dak is willing to take less money so the Cowboys can keep Pickens:

  “Are you willing to take a little haircut … so George Pickens can get his $30M?” (24:47, Ocho Cinco)

• Chad is skeptical Dak will do it, noting he’s already been paid.
• Ocho gives a classic analogy:

  “My grandma said, ‘Boy, what’s gonna be this month? The phone? The light or the gas? I can’t pay them all.’ … You want to be the highest paid, or have talent around you to help?” (27:26–27:46, Ocho Cinco)

• The agents involved (notably David Mulagheta) factor into how negotiations might go, and the possibility of Dallas tagging Pickens is discussed—with both clearly viewing it as disrespectful.

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5. CD Lamb’s Return and WR Target Volume

(16:51–20:33)

• CD Lamb is set to return after a high-ankle sprain and could see huge volume.
• Ocho and Chad reminisce about their own eras and the explosion of WR targets today:

  “Can you imagine what you could have done with 20-plus targets, man?” (19:31, Ocho Cinco)

• Chad describes himself as a “yardage monster”—noting the differences in how stats accumulate today.

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6. Micah Parsons’ Complaints About Officiating

(38:40–47:12)

• Parsons Frustrated with Lack of Calls:
  • Micah Parsons voices frustration at not getting holding calls as a top defender and points to perceived bias toward offensive stats.
• Ocho & Chad push back:

  “Tell me the great defensive player … that you heard them complain about not getting calls? … You can’t do that as a player.” (40:01/40:48, Ocho Cinco/Johnson)

  • They argue greats like Reggie White, LT, and Aaron Donald never aired such complaints.
• Practical advice: The right way is to have coaches compile film and send it to league offices, not go public.

“Sacks are like bananas and grapes. They come in bunches.” (47:12, Ocho Cinco)

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7. Tua Tagovailoa’s Apology and Leadership Dynamics

(50:24–59:25)

• Tua’s Public Apology:
  • Tua expresses regret for criticizing teammates & acknowledges mishandling the locker room dynamic.

  “‘I just added on to that for our guys … I got to look at myself as the leader and protect the team.’” (51:57, Tagovailoa)

• Ocho & Chad’s Analysis:
  • They maintain quarterback leaders should always absorb blame, not pass it publicly to peers:

    “The best apology is changed behavior.” (56:39, Ocho Cinco) “That's what quarterbacks … do, always take responsibility.” (59:35, Ocho Cinco)

  • Both agree the only way Tua can make amends is with on-field performance, not just words.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Authenticity and Snitching:
  • “Don’t put authentic and snitching together … Those are two different scenarios.”
    — Chad Johnson (08:34)
• “You don’t conduct yourself like that as a player and mention about your players. … We all going to jail for Tua.”
  — Chad Johnson (08:01)
• “If we don’t live by a code, what are we living for?”
  — Chad Johnson (09:26)
• “You want to be the highest paid quarterback or sixth or seventh and have talent around you to help you?”
  — Ocho Cinco (27:46)
• “His agent is the same guy that represented Michael Parsons.”
  — Ocho Cinco on Pickens’ contract (28:39)
• “You can’t always be truthful. Sometimes it’s okay not to tell the truth.”
  — Ocho Cinco (52:48)
• “The best apology is changed behavior.”
  — Ocho Cinco (56:39)
• “Sacks are like bananas and grapes. They come in bunches.”
  — Ocho Cinco (47:12)
• “Winning is the only thing that can cure it.”
  — Chad Johnson (58:57)

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Timestamps for Segments

| Time | Segment | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 02:41 | Tomlin blasts Flacco/Browns trade | | 04:52 | Ocho & Chad debate player authenticity vs. code | | 12:08 | Jets QB controversy (Fields vs. Tyrod Taylor) | | 16:51 | CD Lamb’s health and WR target explosions | | 23:46 | Dak/George Pickens contract negotiations | | 38:40 | Micah Parsons complains about officiating | | 50:24 | Tua’s apology, QB leadership responsibility | | 56:39 | “Best apology is changed behavior” | | 59:35 | QBs take the blame—true leadership |

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Recap & Takeaways

• The NFL locker room code is real—players are expected to keep internal issues private.
• Public authenticity is complex: There’s a line between being “real” and undermining teammates.
• Leadership at QB is about absorbing, not deflecting, blame: Apologies matter, but changed actions (and winning) matter most.
• Top players must manage the politics of contracts, respect, and public perception.
• Stat accumulation and receiving opportunities have changed dramatically over eras.
• Micah Parsons’ officiating complaints are seen as weakness for a star—let tape do the talking.

This episode is a crash course in football culture—what’s said, not said, and who gets to say it. The passion and candidness from two football legends makes for engaging, if opinionated, listening. If you care about what really goes on behind the NFL’s scenes, this is an episode not to miss.

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Transcript

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[Ocho Cinco]

Mike Tomlin openly questioned the Browns and general manager Andrew Barry for trading Joe Flacco to the Bengals. Ocho. Let's take a listen to what Mike T. Had to say. You know, to be honest, it was shocking to me. Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me or us because it doesn't make sense to me to trade a quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening day starter to a division opponent that's hurting in that area. But that's just my personal feelings. Look, Mike T. Don't. That's not his style. Mike T. Don't normally involve in the a. He always say, that's not us. That's not the Pittsburgh Steelers business. Right, but why you. Why you think Mike T. Stepped out of character?

[Chad Johnson]

Well, listen, they asked him a question. He asked him a question. He gave him something different. He gave him something different. And obviously even he has to always show face and be someone that he's truly not. You know what? I feel like being myself today. I like that one thing I told Young that I want coaches, I want players to obviously start doing. Sometimes I want them to tell the truth. Sometimes I want them to say exactly how they feel. I want the locker room talk, the conversations that are had to be said in front of camera. Now, what he just said, just there is something he would say if there were no cameras rolling. I enjoy that. That's authenticity, you know.

[Ocho Cinco]

So you like what Tua said?

[Chad Johnson]

Who?

[Ocho Cinco]

Tua.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I don't like that part.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's authenticity.

[Chad Johnson]

No, no, I don't like that. See, I'm. Listen, I'm not throwing nobody under the bus.

[Ocho Cinco]

You said you wanted authenticity, and you're not.

[Chad Johnson]

You just. You're not listening to me. I don't like the snitching on people. I don't like that part.

[Ocho Cinco]

You want authenticity, you can get to pick and choose what's authentic. If it's authentic, you want it. That's what you said, Chad. Is that what he said?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, that's.

[Ocho Cinco]

Help me out chat.

[Chad Johnson]

You're confusing. Don't put authentic and snitching together. That's. That's not. That's not together. I like. I like Mike Thomas answer. Because it's something most coaches or most people wouldn't say in front of the camera. So the fact that he did say it and it was out of character for him as a head coach means it's authentic. That's how he really feels.

[Ocho Cinco]

So let me ask you a question.

[Chad Johnson]

Tua. Did his. Tua was snitching and throwing people under the bus that he got.

[Ocho Cinco]

Were they late? Were they late? Did they miss? Did he lie?

[Chad Johnson]

I wasn't there. Tua.

[Ocho Cinco]

What Tua said is what he was saying. If the cameras weren't there, that's called snitching.

[Chad Johnson]

Cameras or not.

[Ocho Cinco]

You said you want people to be authentic. Now you want them to be authentic sometime.

[Chad Johnson]

See, you going from, you going from one spectrum to the other. So if we would talk about Tua, I would say that snitching like I did yesterday. But is that now we talk about Mike Thompson.

[Ocho Cinco]

Is he being truthful? Is he being truthful? Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Who?

[Ocho Cinco]

Tua?

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know. We weren't there. We don't know.

[Ocho Cinco]

He's. Hold on. You. How can it be? If it, if, if he can't be snitching, then hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

We weren't there. We weren't there.

[Ocho Cinco]

So he ain't snitching?

[Chad Johnson]

No, he's snitching.

[Ocho Cinco]

How you know you weren't there exactly?

[Chad Johnson]

Because just the context and perspective of what I have to go off of you saying what we should know.

[Ocho Cinco]

I ain't say nothing.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me say something. We shouldn't know anything about what's going on in that locker room. You shouldn't as a quarterback, but we.

[Ocho Cinco]

Shouldn'T know anything about what Mike Tomlin's thinking.

[Chad Johnson]

Why not? Come on. How you compare, how you try to compare the two.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm just saying. You say you want authenticity.

[Chad Johnson]

I do.

[Ocho Cinco]

You said you want people to tell the truth. Was telling the truth. He was telling what he experienced. Guys coming late, guys missing. You didn't like that. Cause you said it's snitching. But you said you just wanted people to tell the truth. You want people. I want people to be themselves. That's what I'm saying.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait a minute. Stay, stay, stay, stay with me. Stay with me now. Now. I don't mind. I, I, I don't like the snitching part. You don't throw your teammates under the bus. As a captain, as a quarterback, you always take issues and put them on yourself.

[Ocho Cinco]

I do.

[Chad Johnson]

Now, Mike Tomlin just giving his perspective based on the Browns letting Joe come to the Bengals. There's nothing wrong with that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Tua just giving you his perspective of why they're losing. No.

[Chad Johnson]

Stop trying. No, no.

[Ocho Cinco]

I just go by what you say. You say you want people to live in their truth. You say hey. Oh. You say, oh, I just want people sometime. I just want people to come up there and tell what's on their mind. That what you told me. I said, ocho, you can't do that. You say, why not, Huh? I said, because it'd be a detriment to the team. You say, I don't care. I just want it to be true. I just want people to stay. You say, stay. Oh, stay with me just for a second. Stay with me right now. I said, okay, I'm gonna stay with Jojo.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't understand.

[Ocho Cinco]

What you don't understand.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't understand, man, listen.

[Ocho Cinco]

All tour did was say, guys, the reason why we're losing. We got. We. The reason why we're losing is that when we have a meeting and we scheduled a meeting, our guys gonna show up. Are they gonna show up on time? When we say we're gonna do this, are we gonna do it? That what he's saying. He would tell the truth.

[Chad Johnson]

That ain't nobody business. That ain't nobody. You know, you don't conduct yourself like that as a player and mention about your players. You know that. You don't put that business out there like that. You don't do that. Basically, you know, if he was on trial, you know, he. He done got everybody in trouble. We all going to jail for the tour.

[Ocho Cinco]

I know. So in other words, you don't want people telling the truth all the time. Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Come again?

[Ocho Cinco]

So you're saying you don't want people to tell the truth all the time?

[Chad Johnson]

Correct. I don't want people snitching. Snitching, There's a difference.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, you're not.

[Chad Johnson]

You're confusing someone snitching and someone being authentic in their answer based on the perspective of the question that they're asked. Those are two different scenarios.

[Ocho Cinco]

How about this here? Snitching only takes place in the street. The street are snitching. When you partake in that activity, you're supposed to be a code, right? You and I do not partake in that.

[Chad Johnson]

There's also an NFL code.

[Ocho Cinco]

Anything. What is it?

[Chad Johnson]

That locker room should not be talked about in front of cameras or at home.

[Ocho Cinco]

So we shouldn't tell the truth all the time, huh? So we shouldn't tell the truth all the time?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you should. You just shouldn't snitch.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, how can that.

[Chad Johnson]

Man, listen.

[Ocho Cinco]

Y' all see this, man, we gotta.

[Chad Johnson]

Live by a code. If we don't live by a code, what are we living for?

[Ocho Cinco]

So we got so the locker room got the same code as the street.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. Yeah. What you mean, yes? The same. It's the same. You gotta live by the code. I'm just saying. Yeah, you gotta live by the cold.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Huh?

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

And listen, it's an unwritten rule, too. Somebody didn't even have to explain it. You just understand and know in that environment what you can and cannot do.

[Ocho Cinco]

Ta da. As a quarterback in the NFL or as a coach in the NFL, there are things that you can and cannot do. Thank you. That's all I want to hear. We move on. Thank you. That's all I wanted you to say.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, right. But then you have some people like myself that. That choose to do the opposite.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes. That's all I wanted you to say. Ocho. I'm like, man, this man talking about, hey, I go up there, but why can't a quarterback just put people on blast? Why can't the quarterback, you know? Goodwill. The quarterback can't do that.

[Chad Johnson]

When Ken Moore came out and said, I'm gonna be honest with y', all, man, we fucking ass like. That was refreshing, huh? That was refreshing. I get tired of hearing that goddamn same old rhetoric, politically correct, from the same goddamn school.

[Ocho Cinco]

It was refreshing that TUA told us the truth, that guys be coming in late, the guys be missing things. It was refreshing.

[Chad Johnson]

No, it was not. No. Hey, that goddamn camboard. Now that was some funny.

[Ocho Cinco]

They asked tour what's going on. All Tour said, the reason what? One of the reasons we might be. We got to take it serious. We got to make up our minds, are we going to come into on time or the. The meetings that we schedule, are we going to attend them? He was just being honest.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I got you. I got you.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, shoot.

[Chad Johnson]

Now you got me thinking about it.

[Ocho Cinco]

This man told me. This man been telling me it's fresh. It's a breath of fresh air. It is.

[Chad Johnson]

Like.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And.

[Chad Johnson]

But you didn't like it. I don't know.

[Ocho Cinco]

Like, I don't.

[Chad Johnson]

That there's certain.

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't. But I understand. You said you want it. I didn't want it because I understand the ramifications that come along with it. Because I don't know, you know. According to reports of SNY Network, Tyrod Taylor has the support of some people in the jets building as their QB one over Fields. They feel like Justin was given the job without any competition. Yes, he was. Justin Fields got two years at 40 million and Tyrod got backup money. Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Mm. Hey, I'm. I'm mad things aren't working Out. Honestly, to be honest, I really, I, I really thought, I really thought. This has been really, really good. Finally, Justin Fields, you get your opportunity, you get your team, you get to be quarterback number one. You don't have to look over your shoulder. You don't have to worry about, you know, Russell Wilson or, or, you know, being pulled. Understand? Whenever you come. Chicago, yeah, Chicago, Things didn't go. I, I'm like, God damn. Finally he gets his team. He goes to a place where they actually want him.

[Ocho Cinco]

Correct.

[Chad Johnson]

Where they actually want him. And that's one of the greatest feelings in the world. And for some reason, obviously, it just hadn't panned out. It hadn't panned out the way it should. As, as good as Justin Fields is, I've seen the flashes of brilliance from him, whether it be throwing the ball, whether it be running the ball or escaping the pocket and just extending plays. I mean, he can do it. He just had to find a way to string all those qualities together consistently, over and over.

[Ocho Cinco]

Look, Tyrod is not the athletic phenom that he's not. I mean, Tyrod, when he came into the league, now, Tyrod was athletic. Remember him at Virginia Tech?

[Chad Johnson]

Now he can go now.

[Ocho Cinco]

He was the backup to Joe Flacco when they won the championship. He took Buffalo to the playoffs. Tyrock can play.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely can.

[Ocho Cinco]

He can play. And so I agree with you. But for whatever reason, it hasn't clicked yet for Justin Fields. It still takes a while for him to process it, Ocho. And you know, at this level, at that level in which he's playing at what you and I played at, that clock's got to go off, guys. They gonna be running scot free on. Yeah, guys are not going to be running scot free. You got to throw guys open. You gotta, you gotta throw with great anticipatory skills. And right now it's just like he's glitching, bro. You can't hold on to that ball, bro. This ain't seven on seven. They coming and.

[Chad Johnson]

Damn.

[Ocho Cinco]

I think, I think they give him a couple more games, Ocho. I do. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, it's too soon. It's too soon to pull a plug right now, Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm not going 0 and 9 and not make changes. I've got to make some changes.

[Chad Johnson]

But what are they right now?

[Ocho Cinco]

They're 06. I go to 0 and 7. 0 and 8. What? What? Come on, Ocho. What you want me to do? Go owing 15 before I make a move?

[Chad Johnson]

What's the next three games. And, you know, once you. Once you make that move, if you go from. If you go from Justin Fields to Tyrod Taylor, that just. That just erases and scratches everything as far as him.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, well, I'm trying to win games, okay? I'm talking about Panthers. I'm talking about the future Panthers, okay? Bengals, Browns.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's tough.

[Ocho Cinco]

It's either now. Never. He won't get an easier stretch.

[Chad Johnson]

Easier.

[Ocho Cinco]

He won't get an easier stretch.

[Chad Johnson]

Did you just. Did you just hit.

[Ocho Cinco]

How many games have The Panthers won? 2. 3.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They.

[Ocho Cinco]

3 and 3, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Did you just see that? The Panthers demolish the Cowboys or.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, they're three and three. Okay, what are. What are the Bengals? Two and four. What's Cleveland? Two and four. Browns are one and five. So you got a three and three, a two and four, and a one and five. Now give me the next three they got.

[Chad Johnson]

They got a chance of winning. Winning one out of those three because they ain't beating the Panthers. Of the Bengals.

[Ocho Cinco]

Then they got the Patriots, Ravens, Falcons, Dolphins.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, they might be the Dolphins.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hell, they might be the Ravens.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Nah.

[Chad Johnson]

Lamar be back by then. Hey, if. If things don't go well, do you even bring Lamar back at all? Or you just let him. Let him.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hell yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Ocho Cinco]

Paying him $50 million. You damn right I'm bringing it back.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay?

[Ocho Cinco]

Are you talking about.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, no. No chance at the playoffs.

[Ocho Cinco]

I mean, who said they ain't got no chance at the playoffs?

[Chad Johnson]

I'm just saying if they don't. Depending on when he comes back. If they.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, I mean, look, they're on the bye week this week, so this will be three weeks, almost four weeks. A month. How severe was the hamstring injury?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Oh, well, he'd be back next. He'll be back next week then.

[Ocho Cinco]

CD Lamb set out the past three games with a high ankle sprain today. He said he could have played last week against the Panthers, but he sat another week so he could be fully healthy without limitations. He will not be on a pitch count against the Commanders. I feel like I'm moving around, running around, being me, happy as I can be. Obviously, just believing in my ankle. Obviously. I feel like it's back to where I need it to be. Ojo.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

What you thinking? Talk to me.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm excited. I'm excited. The fact that he said and him knowing his body. I could have came back last week, but I want to wait one more week to make sure I don't have to worry about nothing. I don't have to worry about nothing. So for me, that makes that offense in Dallas even that much more scarier. And you know what's going to happen is, hell, Chase got how many targets.

[Ocho Cinco]

He got tonight, man? Chase had 18 targets.

[Chad Johnson]

18 targets. Now, don't be saying.

[Ocho Cinco]

And the fact is, Ocho, he got his hands on all 18 of them. It wasn't like it was out of bounds and he have no chance. He literally got his hand on all 18, which is. People don't realize how hard that is to have that many targets and to actually put your hands on all 18.

[Chad Johnson]

18, yeah. Most definitely. Shoot, I wouldn't be surprised if the getting back on track after missing three games. I won't be surprised if. If goddamn CD had 15 targets next week. I won't be surprised at all. I won't be surprised at all. At all. And listen, man, honestly, I told. I told CD I hit him when he got her. I say, listen, I can have you back in a week. What? I can have you back in a week. But he.

[Ocho Cinco]

Wow. Well, look, looking at the severe, like when he did that, looking at it, I said, man, that's three weeks. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Most definitely that. Hey, that thing. Oh, let me take that back. Chase had 23 targets.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho, 23.

[Ocho Cinco]

23 targets. I think the most I've ever had, ocho, was like 15.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I don't. I can't even tell you what's the matter.

[Ocho Cinco]

But I don't think we track targets like they do now. I don't think. I'm just saying, you know, you go back and look at the films and, you know, they throw the ball over your head. That's a target. How do you throw the ball 15ft over my damn head and out of bounds? That's a target. If you was a sniper and I was your target and you shot like that, people go like, no, that was no target. You off target.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. And that's another thing I like about Flacco, too, is he makes every ball count. He makes every ball count because every ball he throws, he gonna give you a chance to get it. Yeah, he gonna give you a chance to get it.

[Ocho Cinco]

I guess they count targets when they throw the ball in his PI. So anything that comes your way.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, they count that too. Okay, okay.

[Ocho Cinco]

Cause, man, Ocho, can you imagine what you could have done with 20 plus targets, man?

[Chad Johnson]

It is impossible. I mean, I'm just. I'm thinking it would only be possible in this era.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

It would only be possible in this area.

[Ocho Cinco]

I wonder when T o when Tio called 20 passes, I wonder how many targets he had. Yeah, Marshall has the record. He has 21. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Brandon.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

So if you catch 20 balls, Ocho, you gotta have you got at least 23, 24, maybe even 25 targets.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, matter of fact, you know how many yards I would have? You got to think I averaged maybe maybe six yards a game. Six, maybe seven catches a game, if that. But mine were always.

[Ocho Cinco]

Nah, you ain't that many catch. Could you ever had a Hunter catch season?

[Chad Johnson]

No. Hell, no.

[Ocho Cinco]

Because that's what I'm saying. So if you average six catch six catches a game in 16 games, that's 96 catches. What's the most catcher you had in the season?

[Chad Johnson]

About right there. About 96.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, but I was.

[Chad Johnson]

I was a yardage monster because everything I caught was 10, 15 yards.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's how I was o. Joke.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

I mean, I have 1100 yards and three touchdowns. And then somebody else got 400 yards and they got six. I'm like, man, throw me something. But we got close to the goal line. TD gonna run that in. We not throwing no ball unless it's third and something. But other than that, man, they get that thing. TD running that end.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, it's amazing, man. Just the era. The era of football that we're in now. And they throw the ball so much. Damn. I can only wish.

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[Ocho Cinco]

Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Ocho Cinco]

O.Com Ojo Dak Prescott said he plans to speak with Jerry Jones about the importance of keeping George Pickens with the Cowboys Beyond I've been a little busy, but I will when I run into him in that time of privacy, I'll make sure. But here's the thing, though. Jack running in, okay, you want to keep him? Are you willing to take less than your 60 mil? Cause okay, you got 60. George Pickens is going to want max dollars. He's like, because this is his first bite at the apple, he's going to say, dak, you've had three bites at the apple. I've never had a big bite of the apple. And I'm gonna take as big a bite as I possibly. As a matter of fact, I might be a horse. I might eat the whole damn apple. Damn a bite. I want the whole damn apple. So that's the question. You know, you want all these great players. That's what Brady did you see what Mahomes is doing? The question is, are you willing to take a little haircut? I'm not saying you gotta give him 20 million, but I'm saying are you willing to take, say if you can get 63, 64 million. Are you willing to take 50, 57 so George Pickens can get his 30? Because he's gonna want somewhere between 32 and 36 million dollars. That's what George Pickens gonna want. Because he see what DK got. He see what all he see with Terry McLaren got. And I guarantee you, George Pickens believe he's every bit as good as DK Metcalf and Terry McLaren.

[Chad Johnson]

He is. He is. And I'm not sure Dak is. Depending. Depending. I'm not sure Dak has already got his money already.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, Dak got one more year on that contract or he up. But I think he had a monster cap number. I think he got like something like 80 million in cap. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Dak then got paid. I don't. I don't. I don't see him doing that. I would like. I would like him to allow. To allow pick.

[Ocho Cinco]

What's his cap number next year, dad? Oh, yeah. They got to do something with that. His cap here to 74 million. Ocho, you got to redo that deal. Damn. You got to redo that in 68.

[Chad Johnson]

What you think you got?

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, bro, you got to do. Oh, you definitely. They definitely. They definitely. They're definitely going to redo that deal. They're not going to let that man play. What.

[Chad Johnson]

But what do you think, though? Do you think Dak will take less to be able to keep pick.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's what Jerry. That's what Jerry's going to ask him.

[Chad Johnson]

You mean Dak going to ask Jerry.

[Ocho Cinco]

Excuse me. Yes, that. No, that's what Jerry's going to ask Dak. Are you willing to take less so we can ensure we can put better players around you? If Patrick Mahomes doesn't do what he does, you're not able to keep Chris Jones, right? You're not able. You're not. You're not able to keep the Travis Kelce and keep it together. Kalaftas, you. Hey, they're gonna have to do something with Trent McDuffie.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, hey, Trent. Nice, huh?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes. So you're able to keep all these pieces together because you got Creed Humphrey on a big deal. You got your one, your right tackle. Now you hit it out the park. Cause your left side looks really good. The left tackle, Simmons, even the guy that came, the backup did an extremely great job the other night. But you have to. You have to. You got to give up something Ocho, it's really. It's really that simple. The question is, when we had growing up financially, we struggle. My grandma said, boy, what's gonna be this month? The phone? The light or the gas?

[Chad Johnson]

One or the other.

[Ocho Cinco]

I can't pay them all, son. I mean, it's really that simple. Hey, you need the phone in case we got to call somebody. The lights. So you could do your homework.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Or you and your brother gonna have to go down there and chop wood. We pull that. We pull that heat away from the fireplace. Hey. And we go cut down a tree. We a. It's really that simple. So that what you want, you want to be the highest paid quarterback or you want to be sixth or seventh and have. Have talent around you to help you? Because guess what, Ocho, you're gonna need some defensive help, too.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But I. I think me honestly allow Pick to go get his thing. Allow Pick to go get what he's deserving of. And I don't think Jerry is going to open up his pocketbook like that and cut the check that he's deserving of getting.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, you are. His agent is the same guy that represented Michael Parsons.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

David Mulagheta.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. We gonna. We're gonna let Pick going. We. We need to go and get his money over there in Las Vegas. Over there in Las Vegas, they'll pay.

[Ocho Cinco]

Now the quick. The question is, you know, Ocho, normally when you go in free agency, everybody don't have the luxury. Like a. A.J. brown.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

A.J. went from Tennessee to Philly, so a team that was perennial in the playoffs. You know, he went there. Normally in free agency to go get big bucks, you generally have to go somewhere in Ocho, that's. They, they, they. They ain't on the come.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you're right. You're right. But.

[Ocho Cinco]

But the question is, Ocho, the question again.

[Chad Johnson]

Mm.

[Ocho Cinco]

35, 36 million, probably 75, 80 million guaranteed.

[Chad Johnson]

I see you in Vegas. Hey, I see you. I see you in Vegas. Everybody got theirs. It's my turn.

[Ocho Cinco]

I do, but this is what I do. Hope. Ocho. I'm hoping they don't do this. Tag him.

[Chad Johnson]

No, no, no, no.

[Ocho Cinco]

I just. Ocho, I just got. I'm trying to prepare you for everything. Cause I already know you gonna flip out, so I'm just going to prepare you. What's today's date? Today is the 16th. Thursday, the 16th. I'm just preparing you for that Ocho day.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen, I hear you. I hear you. I understand you preparing, but let's not play that game. Let's not play that game. Because if you tagging me lets me know you don't value me. You don't think I'm worth what I can get on the open market. Don't tag me. Don't do that.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's what I. I'm a firm believer in that. Ocho. It. Hold on. Let's see what I'm worth. You don't think I'm worth. I'm asking for. Let me go.

[Chad Johnson]

And, you know, and Jerry has had that conversation with a lot of players here. We gonna let you go. We gonna let you explore the open market and come back and tell us what they think of.

[Ocho Cinco]

Very few times when you let a guy because the team gonna overbid for him because they already know what I got to do. Now, first of all, it might be a little easier to. Because it's going to be harder for them, Dallas to. If they let him test the open market, it's going to be harder because pick doesn't have an attachment to Dallas. He's only there for a year. So he might be viewing it as a rental. Ocho. Hey, I'm staying this rental property. I'm going to go instead of getting me a house. They got these. They got these apartments that's already furnished. Furnished.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, listen, so he's not entrenched in the community. He hasn't been there for four or five years. I don't know if he's married or has a fiance or girlfriend or whatever the case may be, but he doesn't. I don't know if he has that there. I don't know if he has kids there. So he's not entrenched like somebody that's been there six or seven years. So it's easier.

[Chad Johnson]

It's a lease with an option to buy. It's a lease with an option to buy. And I prefer you're in that lease and going somewhere where you can get what you deserve like every other receiver at your position. Has everybody else got theirs?

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Chad Johnson]

And you deserve to be paid like a number one. Now, the Cowboys already have a number one receiver. And the one thing that they gonna say upstairs over there within Jerry's world is, well, we already paid CD lamb x amount of dollars. We don't view you as such because we already have a number one. We already have a number one.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

You already know the game.

[Ocho Cinco]

But it would be hard, Ocho, because of what they gave it. What they give him a third round pick for a Pick or fourth to get. To give that up for him, and then. And. And just basically keep him as a rental for a year. So that's why I think Jerry might be more apt to sign him. Yeah, Jerry loves offense. So if. If, If, If. If a player was to get some money, began for third and the fifth, and that's the next year's draft, because he was signed, they traded for him after the draft. So he gave him a third and a fifth in 2026. Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Then you got to think we all. Then you have to think it all comes to Dak as well. What is Dak willing to do? How much less is Dak willing to. That's the thing not to take. So they can sign Pick and then defense, you need defensive players.

[Ocho Cinco]

You do need some. Now, the question is, Ocho, if you go out in free agency, you know, you got to overpay. Do you believe you can hit it in. Do you believe you can hit it in the draft market? You believe you can draft the guy or. Because you got two first rounders you're not gonna draft?

[Chad Johnson]

No. Who you gonna draft? Ain't gonna make a. Make a difference. You need a statement piece on that defense. Listen, when you put your clothes on. When you put your clothes on, this for everybody in the chat. When you put your clothes on. I know. I know some women in there. I know some fellas in here, too. When you put your clothes on, you gotta have one thing that stands out. That's a statement piece.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Now this Cowboys defense needs a statement piece. I don't know, it could be a D tackle, it could be a corner, it could be a safety, but you got. You need it. Your statement piece gone over there at the green.

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't know about you, Ocho. When I put my clothes on, I'm the statement. I feel. I'm saying, yes, I got nice jewelry. I got accessories.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, right, right, right, right. But it gotta be a statement piece. Listen, when a woman. When a woman gets dressed, right?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

There are two things that make that for her. That is the statement piece. It's either your bag or your heels. One or the other.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

One or the other. What you're wearing doesn't matter.

[Ocho Cinco]

You right, Ocho. You oo. You ain't wrong when you're right.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Talk to me now. I'm just.

[Ocho Cinco]

I can't talk to you like I walk to 26. I'mma talk to you at 26 right now. Both probation. I'm still on probation. Oh, 26, y' all up, back, up, back.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, my probation officer, he be checking in. He be watching this show. Okay. You know, from time to time, he's like, okay. You know, I'm gonna have to write you up.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, good. You good?

[Chad Johnson]

You good?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. 26. You know, I had to do. You know, I got to do. I had to do, like, like, 12 months, right?

[Chad Johnson]

12.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I had to do 12 months probation.

[Chad Johnson]

All right, well, how long we got? What, two months? We got what we. In October?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably around probably, like, April, May 26th.

[Chad Johnson]

Got it.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm out like a scout. I'm out like a scout on a new route.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, but hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You ain't gotta wait that long, though. You know why? You ain't gotta wait that long.

[Ocho Cinco]

Why we ain't gotta wait that long.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, when New Year, when that ball drop?

[Ocho Cinco]

On New Year's ball drop, when the.

[Chad Johnson]

Ball drop, you good to go. You know what.

[Ocho Cinco]

It said?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, listen, they letting you off a good time, serve a good time. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

When you behave, they say. They say they'll give me three days for every good day. I've been good. It's like the feds. Cause the feds give you, like, 54 days for every year. For every year you serve. Hey, I'm just saying.

[Chad Johnson]

So.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey. January 26th. January 1st. Man, you good to go, man, we back to normal.

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[Ocho Cinco]

Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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[Ocho Cinco]

Oh Joe. Earlier today, Michael sounded off on how he's, how he's officiated and refs in general. Let's take a listen to what Micah had to say.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, five years is not gonna call. You'll eventually start worrying about it, you.

[Ocho Cinco]

Know, but you know, I think I just gotta keep going.

[Chad Johnson]

That's just, that's the hunt.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Like that's part of the challenges.

[Ocho Cinco]

Like you just gotta keep going.

[Chad Johnson]

And that's bothersome that, that worries them.

[Ocho Cinco]

They know that like that's the part.

[Chad Johnson]

Of being one of the best, you know, that comes with some territory where parts that you hate and the parts.

[Ocho Cinco]

That the league lets go, like they.

[Chad Johnson]

Know, like, I mean you could tell.

[Ocho Cinco]

How they call the games. They don't call outsides for offense, but.

[Chad Johnson]

They'Ll call on defense. They'll, they won't call Offensive passing, the fans.

[Ocho Cinco]

But they'll call defensive pass interference immediately.

[Chad Johnson]

Like, we know what you're trying to do.

[Ocho Cinco]

They want to load the points up.

[Chad Johnson]

So fans can be happy.

[Ocho Cinco]

And you know what I mean?

[Chad Johnson]

They'll call defensive holding, but they won't call offensive holding. Like, let's just wake up. It's just one of those things that we know what the higher ups is trying to do. Like, the ref would say, I know.

[Ocho Cinco]

That'S a hole, but what. Like, you're not gonna call it.

[Chad Johnson]

Like, come on. Like, it's just one of those things that, like, I'm over it and I'm just have to keep going, push through it. Ocho, he knows.

[Ocho Cinco]

He's like, you know what? I should stop. I shouldn't say anymore. But he can't help himself. Now chat. You tell me the great defensive player. The great defensive player. I don't. If you're my age, let's just say you between. Between the ages of 60 and 25. Tell me the great defensive player. And we believe Michael Parsons is a great defensive player that you've heard them complain about being. Hell, the lts, the Reggie Whites, the Bruce Smith, the Derrick Thomas, rest his soul, the Von Millers, the Aaron Donalds, the. The J.J. watts. Tell me the great defensive player that you heard have a microphone, get up on the platform and complain that they're not getting calls.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you can't do that. Huh? You can't do that as a player. I mean, I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about myself as a receiver. I ain't complaining about no holding because I'm getting hell. That's my fault. That's my plot. Michael Parsons is too good. He's too great at his position. He's too great at what he does. And obviously on the. On the other thing, on the other, on the flip side of things, referees are graded. Those referees want to be able to call that super bowl so the better playoff.

[Ocho Cinco]

Super Bowl, Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, that's a check. That's money for them. So they want to make as many calls as possible based on what they can see with the naked eye. Do they miss some calls sometimes? Of course. It's human error. It happens. But they want to grade as high as possible so they can be in those playoff games. So they can. So their team as a unit can be in the Super Bowl. They're graded. So they're not just missing calls on purpose, but also as a player, a player of your magnitude. Now, you shouldn't worry about that. If you get in Hell, that's on you.

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't think I ever. I don't think I've ever. And I could be wrong, but. And my memory is pretty good. I think I can have great recall.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't think I've ever publicly complained. Oh, man, they was holding all game, and they ain't call it, man. They've been holding me all year. I'm gonna play through that. You call it. You call it. That ain't my job. Because. To see if I'm. Because what's gonna happen. I'm all of a sudden start worried about the calls. They gonna throw the ball and go beat me up. Hit me all in the chest, all upside the head. And then what? Then people gonna be like, was he holding on that one? Or did you. Or did you just drop it, right? Don't complain, bro. Michael, you too good.

[Chad Johnson]

Way too good.

[Ocho Cinco]

You're way too good for this. And it's not so, guess what now, Ocho, I'm gonna keep. Hey, I'm keep my pocket sold in my pocket. Now, I ain't finna pull it out, right? You trying to put us on blast, Michael, you. You. Michael, you too good. If you want to be thought of as one of these greats, I mean, let's just take your error. Miles Garrett ain't calling, ain't complaining. T.J. watt ain't complaining. These guys ain't complaining. Michael, you're too good. Who cares about what they do with the tush push? You're not there. When you have to defend it, then you worry about that you don't have to defend it. They don't listen. They don't. First of all, they're not listening to players. First of all, you're not a quarterback. They listen to nothing you got to say. Yeah, they only listen to quarterbacks. That's why they changed the rules. That's why they let them have the balls. It used to. You get one day now to get the balls for the whole week. Now, you can't hit the quarterback in the head now. You can't hit the quarterback in the knees. You can't tackle him below the weights in the pocket. They listen to quarterbacks. They don't listen to other players because if they did, they wouldn't have the rules that they have that's weighted against the defense. Come on, Michael, man, you got to stop this, bro.

[Chad Johnson]

Right? And the funny thing about it is, the game now in this era is changed. It's handicapped. It's handicapped for the. It's handicapped in the way in favor of the offense.

[Ocho Cinco]

Correct.

[Chad Johnson]

You already know that. It's deep as a player. Just continue to play. Play through contact, play through the holes. Those calls are going to come. They're going to. They're going to come. Don't even. Don't even worry about it. Just continue to play as well as you always do.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's it.

[Chad Johnson]

Play to what we know you can do. Being one of the best at your position, there's a reason why you paid.

[Ocho Cinco]

As much as you are, Ocho. What you do is that you have your coach, you have your video department cut it up, the holding calls, have your head coach to send it in. Yeah, that's what you do. Hey, I'm gonna take it out of my hands, but have the video department. That's what everybody else does. I guarantee you. That's what the Steelers does. That's what the Cleveland Browns does. Anybody that has a pass rusher, this is what they do. Okay? If I got a good. If I got a good receiver and I believe he's getting hell, I'll go to. I'll cut it up and I'll send it to the official. Here are the plays that we believe he was held in this game. These are the plays that we believe the guy got offside. These are the plays. That's what you do. But you. Because people gonna look at you, it's like you complaining, like, the reason why. Because now I think he got one sack, maybe two sack, and people like, oh, you making $47 million a year, and here we are six games in, and you got one sack, you got two sacks.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

It's gonna look like you're complaining. And I don't think Micah is a complainer. I know he's frustrated because when you get that kind of big money, Ocho, you know you've gotten paid. The one thing you want to do, you want to go show the world why they paid you the big dollars. And I ain't trying. I ain't trying to like, hey, the moment I get that money, oh, man, Ocho got paid. Well, yeah, let me go. Let me go on out here and drop me about a 152 tubs to let them know why they paid me.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, quick and hurt and don't hit and don't care who out there and don't care who holding. If I get here, it's my fault. I ain't doing something right.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep. And that's how. That's how Mike is going to have to look at it. But I think the thing is that when you do it something like this, people gonna look at you like, man, Michael whining. He's complaining the other. And the other team's like, hey, hold it. Make them call it. Make him call it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

And then all he's gonna do is get. He's gonna get more and more frustrated. So just play through it. Micah, you're too good of a player to let stuff like this. I get it. I know you're frustrated. First of all, I don't believe. Micah. I don't believe. This is what. This is how you. This is why you got to be careful with what you say. Because when things weren't going his way where he said he tweeted, he wanted. He wanted to get traded, he put on X, he wanted to get traded. I no longer want to be a cowboy. He said. He said that, Ocho. A lot of times. We say it all the time, Ocho. When emotion is high, logic is low. Be careful. There's power in the tongue.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

He said he want. That's not what he really wanted. He wanted to put the pressure on the Cowboys. But you had already backed Jerry in the corner. Jerry wasn't backing down, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, absolutely.

[Ocho Cinco]

You had already. You already. You already had backed the man in the corner. He felt he had a handshake deal. And now you come in and this is what. I'm just telling you what Jerry felt. Jerry is a man. First of all. You know how people empower people in political position of power. People that have money.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

They ain't backing down.

[Chad Johnson]

Now, hold on. You're not finna bully. You're not gonna bully. Not many owners. Not many owners. Absolutely not.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, no. So that's where. That's where they. That's. That's. That's what happened. But Micah, just keep playing. They'll come. You understand? Sacks are like. Sacks are like bananas and grapes. They come in punches.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, you might go, Ocho. You might go a game or two and not get any. And then you'll go three games where you have six.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Ocho Cinco]

And the next thing you know, you're like. You look up like, damn, Michael got seven sacks.

[Chad Johnson]

Uh huh. That fast. And that's just how it happened. It always happens like that. Yes, it happens like that. Hell, sometimes you're going to get your. Hey, unc, I go 2 for 35. I go 4 for 60. Damn, man. Man, in one game, man, shoot 11, 266 for 190. Well, God damn. What happened?

[Ocho Cinco]

There you go. And it happened every day.

[Chad Johnson]

Yo, Matter of fact, look at Chase two weeks ago. 40 yards.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

Look at the past two weeks. It's the nature of the business. It's the nature of the game. It always happened like that. You not gonna go crazy every week no matter how great you are?

[Ocho Cinco]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But they go, you know, I mean, but here's the thing. Chase. Chase crazy 16. His. His. His good sense. He get nine. That's the thing. You look at him against Green Bay, he had nine. Like, damn, we slowed him down. Now you pop off with 16. He got 25 catches in two games. So where he was, you like, man. Hey, Chase ain't winning no triple crowd this year.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

You sure about that?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Are you sure? The popped off again.

[Chad Johnson]

It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing what happens when you get a quarterback 40 years old, 50 years old, if you can throw and sling the ball and they can keep you upright so you can deliver said ball, this is what you get. And it's not easy because we had Dick Browning. No, but think, well, hell, he should be able to do it. No. Now, you take Joe Flacco, who got benched in Cleveland, and you put him here in the Bengals offense with elite talent around him at the receiver position, a decent running back, an officer line that everybody been talking trash about. And they play.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They.

[Chad Johnson]

They play their part.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's it.

[Chad Johnson]

We are going to win. Everything starts up front.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Everything.

[Ocho Cinco]

Look, do your job. Whatever your job is. Whatever your job. What is. Whatever is required.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

You to do. To do your job. That's what you got to do. Don't worry. I'm not worried. Listen, I'm not worried about the offensive line because that ain't my job right now. If it. When it comes my time, I got a pass block. Now I got to worry about it. Okay, what we got? Who I am? I Gilligan. I'm on the island. Where am I? Where am I? Where am I protected at? Sharpie. I got you inside so I can sit heavy outside, knowing I got help inside.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

If I ain't got no help inside, I gotta sit down inside. And then hopefully, I can run his ass by the quarterback. The quarterback can step up, but you just gotta do your job. I can't worry about it. I can't worry about what the safety doing and what the linebacker doing. What the DN doing. Ocho. I gotta worry about what a foe doing.

[Chad Johnson]

That's it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Cause at the end of the day, I'm getting graded. I'm getting graded on what I'm doing, not whether or not what. Worried about what somebody else is doing.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Tua apologized for criticizing teammates for being late to a players only meeting. Let's take a listen to what Tua had to say. Here's his full statement.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Made a mistake. And I'm owning up to that right now. You know, I've talked to, to guys on the team about it, talked to the leaders about it, and you know that they, they know my heart. They know that the intent was right. But no matter the intent, you know, the intent can be right. But when things get misconstrued or however the media wants to portray it, you know, that, that leaves a void of silence and a lot of questions for the guys on our team. Now, being one in five, you know, we talk a lot about, all right, we, we got to get this going. We got to get this going. Come in, excited to go to work, forget about the noise. And I feel like I, I just added on to that for, for our guys, you know, for, for myself. I got to look at myself as, as the leader protecting the team. I don't feel like I, I did that to the best of my abilities. I felt like I let the emotions.

[Ocho Cinco]

Of the game get to me after the game.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And, you know, that's something that I can learn from as a leader on this team. And what happens in house should be protected and none of that should have gotten out and so want to publicly apologize about that. Want to move forward. And now I want to focus on flipping Brown.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I love Tua. I love him to death. You know, I love, I love what he stands for. I love what he represents. Being one in five, you also have to be self. Aware. It's all, it's all about being self aware. If you have meetings, if you have things that go inside, go on in, in house, they have to stay in house. You should know that whether you five and one or wadi one in five, there's certain things that you don't talk about to the media. As a quarterback, as a leader of that team, as a person with that C on your chest, it is your duty to protect those that are in that locker room. It's your duty so to put it out there in the media and say what some of the other players are doing or haven't done that is. You know what? I'm not going to use the word, I'm not going to use that word tonight, but it's throwing people under the bus. You can't do that.

[Ocho Cinco]

You just can't you can't always be truthful. Sometimes it's okay not to tell the truth.

[Chad Johnson]

Come on.

[Ocho Cinco]

Here's the problem that I have. You got me. You got me. You got me. No, but. But, but in all honesty.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco]

The only problem I have with this now. The media misconstrued it. Yes. How did the players. Okay, if you said what you said, the meters didn't say anything. Your teammates heard what you said.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

So if anybody misconstrued it, they misconstrued it because the media didn't put no spin on it. All they did was have a bunch of microphones and tape recorders there. You said what you said unprompted. Yes, unprompted. So. And to use Ocho's term, he dry snitch. Ain't nobody asked him, did players come late for practice. Was you. When you had a players only meeting the media didn't know nothing about, didn't know anything about that meeting, you brought that up. And then you also brought up that there are players that were late or didn't. Or didn't arrive on time or maybe didn't even come to the meeting at all. You did that. How would you. See, that's the problem that I have. Just own up to it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

And say, you know what? I was wrong. Don't add the media. The media didn't do anything. All they did was put the. Put the. The microphones in front of you, and you volunteer that. So in other words, you dry snitch unprompted information that no one asked you for.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Now, with that being said, it was no choice. And I saw in the chat, someone said if that was Tom Brady or. Or. Or. Or Troy Aikman, everybody would have been there on time. I told y' all that the other day. They don't respect him as a leader, but y' all don't want to see when, when, when. Because I'm not in the locker room, you don't think I know what I'm talking about. But I've been a leader, and I guarantee you, every time I've called a meeting, which wasn't very many or anytime I had something, guy showed up on time because there was a respect level there that was earned, not what I deserved based on what I had done right. I had earned the right to call a meeting meeting based on the way I conducted myself, the way I played, the way I practiced, the way I met and what I had accomplished. So I had earned their respect.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you. You're right. And. And you know what matter of fact, if you do, if they did had a meeting that they didn't show up to or they weren't on time and this could be a tall tale and why they didn't. Yeah. Look what happens. Look, I mean, so there might be an underlying issue that we don't even know about that has been going on.

[Ocho Cinco]

Or to in fact, underlying the issue. Oh, well, listen, let's keep it as two guys that spent time in locker rooms.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

That played the game at an extreme high level. He did.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. It's unfortunate. And you know what? Even though he came out and apologized, it's too late now because how do you think that taste, that bad taste that's in those players mouths that you talked about that know they were late or weren't on time to that meeting, how do you think other teammates feel? How do you think they looking at. Even though he's the quarterback, how do you think they are viewing you now? It's not the same, Monk. And it will never be the same. So this makes everything even worse. On top of being one in five.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Forget the football aspect because now you open up a whole new can of worms.

[Ocho Cinco]

I give you a prime example, Ocho, you in the courtroom.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

One of the attorneys says something. The other attorney stands up and says, I object.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

The judge says sustain. How do I make the jury unhear what they heard? They heard it. Whether it's a sustained doesn't matter.

[Chad Johnson]

Too late.

[Ocho Cinco]

Or he'll allow it. I've already heard what that man wanted me to get out. He or she wanted to say so you can't make me unheed what I heard. I get the apology. The best apology is change behavior. We're going to see moving forward. The greater the player, the greater the leeway is. That's with anything.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

First of all, when you say Troy Aikman and Tom Brady, first of all, Tua is not on that level. Second of all, they've garnered so much respect. You see how the players went to bat for Troy. Tom Brady, that's a whole different animal. We're not. Don't ever put Tom Brady. Tom Brady, he's reserved. There might have been three or four other guys in the history of the game that garnered the respect of Tom Brady. Tua isn't one of those three or four guys. With that being said, you have to be mindful, Ocho, because. And this is what I tell guys that. That I think at some point in time will be leaders. You don't know who's actually watching you what you do, what you say, how you do it, right? But all I can tell you is this. If they see you behave in a certain type of manner and you make money and you get things, they'll behave that same way because they believe that is acceptable behavior.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Ocho Cinco]

So even though you don't know who's watching, if they're watching, or why they're watching, right? Just always try to put your best foot forward. That's all you can do. He will learn from this, hopefully. It's hard for me to believe that a guy that played at Alabama, played at such a high level, at such a prestigious program, wouldn't know that you can't throw teammates under the bus, that sometimes Ocho sometimes looks. And we, we talked about this on show all the time as a coach. Sometimes you got a lot to your players, even if you don't think they can win, hey, we can beat these teams. We can beat them. Hey, we do X, Y and Z. Sometimes you got a lie because sometimes it caused great hurt, harm or embarrassment.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

And it might have caused all three. Now, like you said, how do we get that back? I'm not so sure. So. Because I'm thinking, bro, when you go home, you'll be pillow talking like a mofo.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, it is. Is. No, it's no way. There's no way to get that back. Huh? There's no way to get it back. There's only one thing that cures everything. There's one thing that cures everything.

[Ocho Cinco]

And I don't know if they could do that.

[Chad Johnson]

My point exactly. Winning is the only thing that can cure it. But I still think they won't view him the same in that same light. No matter what. You can apologize, you can say everything, you could talk to him quite, you know, privately. But once you leave that locker room and you out of that space that's supposed to give you, don't worry about any of the bullshit you have to deal with on the outside world, right? Wait a minute. Now I got to deal with it when I come to work my own quarterback, right? Nah, man, they. They never going to look at it the same.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's why I say that's what quarterbacks, if you notice the most, the great quarterbacks, no matter how good they play or how bad they play, they always take responsibility.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

When Peyton Manning, they lost the game. Peyton Manning said, I got to play better. It's only John Brady says I got to play better. Guys, John Elway. And guys would always say I need to play better. They never Said even though they played great, a drop pass here, a missed assignment there, the defense gave up points late. They always put the onus on themselves. That's a part of being a leader. If you're the leader, even though somebody made a mistake, I'll take it. That's on me now. I'll call them and say, hey, we need to make sure this doesn't happen again, make sure we get it corrected. But this is on me. And that's what TUA needs to understand. You would like to think a guy that's been the quarterback for an extended period of time at levels, he's a high school quarterback. Normally the quarterback is the leader. Not always, but the majority of the time, I would say 80% of the time, because a lot of times the best player is the quarterback coach, so he's normally the leader. In college, it probably kicks up 85% in the pros. I. I don't know if I've ever seen a starting quarterback that didn't have the seat since they've been allowed it. Have you?

[Chad Johnson]

No.

[Ocho Cinco]

I haven't either. So with that being said, he just has to be mindful. It's a minefield, what's going on. And it's easy to get frustrated. Especially like you said, when you're losing, you're one in five. Because if they're. They're five and one and they're six and, oh, ain't nobody.

[Chad Johnson]

We're not having this coming late.

[Ocho Cinco]

Even if guys are late to practice, ain't nobody said a word.

[Chad Johnson]

We're not having this conversation.

[Ocho Cinco]

You should have nipped this in the bud a year ago or two years ago when you were winning and you were allowing guys to show up late. That's when you nip it in the bud. But you allow things on a win. Now it's a problem when you lose.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

You see, when you lose, Ocho, it's not how we played on the field. It's all the other things. Right? All the other things. Like I said, you don't win a football game on Sunday. You win a football game Monday through Friday.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's when you win the games in your. How we meet, how do we practice? How do we study? How do we prepare? Did we get treatment like we supposed to if we got a little nagging? Did we. Did we take care of it before it became a big issue?

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hopefully two will learn this lesson. Yeah, hopefully he does. It is tough because if they don't start winning games, it. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. And I. And I. And look, like I said, the greatest apology is change behavior. We're going to see. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, you change behavior. Well, it's not change behavior off the. Off the field. It's the same behavior on the field.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Correct.

[Chad Johnson]

You know what the best sari is for his teammates?

[Ocho Cinco]

What?

[Chad Johnson]

Your performance.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

And how you play. Being the difference maker, being that you are the quarterback, being that you do make the most money on the field. That means your level of play has to be up here. It has to be eons above everybody else. Especially when you come out and you do something like this. Well, hold on. You can't be stinging out the joint.

[Ocho Cinco]

No.

[Chad Johnson]

Then going in front of the camera and telling what we got going on behind closed doors and then looking like, you know what?

[Ocho Cinco]

Stir fry.

[Chad Johnson]

No, you can't. You can't. You got the whole locker room looking at you funny. I'm telling you. And I'm not even in there. I'm telling you. He could fix it, but he could fix it with his play. With his play. It'd be all smiles if.

[Ocho Cinco]

Even if he would have been wrong, Even if he had thrown for 400 yards and four touchdowns. Yeah. He exacerbated the term aggravate, which means to make worse, he aggravated the situation. It was already bad, Ocho, but he aggravated the situation. Why, Ocho? Because he threw three pigs. So he made a situation that was bad. He made it worse with his plate.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Well, listen, it was already a fire, right? It was already a fire.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

So it was already fire. He took the goddamn gasoline and threw it on the fire.

[Ocho Cinco]

Mm.

[Chad Johnson]

All it did was make the fire goddamn bigger. It made it worse.

[Ocho Cinco]

Made it worse.

[Chad Johnson]

Now you. Now you're gonna have hell putting it out for sure.

[Ocho Cinco]

Is that my. Is that me or you, Ocho?

[Chad Johnson]

What'd I do? I'm right here. I'm looking at you.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, okay. Cause I. For a second, I couldn't hear you.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, I'm good. I'm good.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay. Sure? Yeah, you good? And what. What has happened, Ocho? Is that for a fire to burn, it needs oxygen.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, come on.

[Ocho Cinco]

What he gave the fire was oxygen. A lot of a fire will not burn. Hey, you could have the biggest fire Robbins of his. Of its oxygen. You see a candle, put a dish, put a jar over the candle, and it can't get any more oxygen. Yeah, it'll go out. You gave it oxygen. That's why when people say things, Ocho, we have to be careful how we respond, because we giving it oxygen, and it'll keep burning. See, things will burn as long as it has oxygen. Let it die out. He could have just let it die. Oh, yeah. I understand that he's seething. I understand that he's upset. You're losing ball games that you don't think you should have lost. Guys are coming in 2 minutes, 5 minutes, 10 minutes, however many. Late. They're late to meet it, late to practice. You know, it doesn't seem to be important. They're not as attentive as they need to be. Yes, it can get frustrating. Especially. Especially, like I said, I don't know what he's actually like. I've been around players that it was the end, all be all. Everybody is not like that. The end all be all right. But it's probably. It was probably bothering him. He's like, well, this is probably why we're losing. Guys are not taking this as serious as they need to. Okay? But if they had. If they held you in such high regard, if they respected you as the leader. They're not coming late. No, they're just not. I mean, little things. Hey, man, check this out, man. We need a. Let's do. Let's. Let's go to the movies after PR. After a workout on Monday. Guess what? 15, 20 of us go to the movies.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, man, let's go bowling. 15, 20 of us go bowling. It's things like that. Yeah, but they got to respect you. Guys don't respect you. They. They gonna blow you off. It's really that simple. Two, are you gonna have to play better? You're gonna have to be better, not just on the field, because leadership is just not a call and plays. And then the huddle you got to see on your jersey, you gotta. It's off the field, Ocho. It's the things. It's things like that.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

You suppress things that Mike McDaniel or upstairs don't even know about.

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