BEST OF NFL PART 1: BEST OF NFL PART 1: Darren Waller, Ernest Jones IV JOIN + Is A.J. Brown SELFISH?

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Best of NFL Part 1 (October 4, 2025)

Host: Shannon Sharpe

Guests: Darren Waller (Miami Dolphins), Ernest Jones IV (Seattle Seahawks), Commentary on A.J. Brown

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay brings together candid, in-depth conversations with two prominent NFL players—tight end Darren Waller and linebacker Ernest Jones IV—while diving into timely debates around player mentality, team cultures, and the challenges of football life on and off the field. The episode also features an engaging analysis of recent comments from Eagles receiver A.J. Brown about his role and frustrations in the offense.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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Darren Waller: Comeback, Sobriety & Fresh Perspective

(Segment begins at 02:59)

Stepping Away and the Return (03:28–06:13)

• Mental Health and Fulfillment: Darren reflects on why he walked away while at his career peak:

  "Mentally and emotionally...I kept running into similar walls...I just felt like I kept running to the wall like this isn't really fulfilling to me." —Darren Waller [03:58]

• He discusses reevaluating his motives, differentiating between playing for himself and for validation from others, and how taking time away led to an "organic moment" to return with a refreshed mindset.
• Rejoining the Dolphins: Darren notes the excitement of rejoining the game, comparing it to his childhood love for football. He admits the transition wasn't easy, especially after not taking hits or running routes for two years:

  "Dudes ain't just really...stepping away and then being like, oh, I want to come back. Usually, they step away. It's like there really ain't no coming back." —Darren Waller [05:36]

Getting the Feel Back (06:46–09:51)

• Physical and Mental Adjustments: Darren describes how his "spidey senses"—awareness of field danger, reading defenses, and timing—are still returning with each rep.
• He shares the challenge of regaining game speed after being away, underscoring the importance of intentional practice and patience with himself:

  "My journey is probably as weird and unique as it gets, you know what I'm saying?" —Darren Waller [09:51]

Dolphins Culture & Locker Room Accountability (10:15–13:35)

• Team Turnaround: Addressing rumors about locker room leniency under coach Mike McDaniel, Waller praises the increased urgency, improved culture, and the importance of player-driven leadership:

  "It's really up to the guys in the locker room to police this. And I feel like the captains have really, really gone out their way for sure to make sure things are different..." —Darren Waller [12:46]

Defining Success & Leadership (14:03–15:21)

• Waller defines a successful season less by stats and more by maximizing every opportunity and leading as the team's oldest player. His journey allows him to connect with teammates at any career stage.

Music & Personal Pursuits (15:21–16:07)

• Music on Hold: With football as his focus, Waller says music is on the "back burner," but he looks forward to returning to it after football.
  • Fun sidebar: Playful riffing with co-hosts about Georgia Tech rappers and possible future collaborations.

Addiction, Recovery, and Mentoring (22:16–28:22)

• The Darren Waller Foundation: Founded to help youth avoid and overcome addiction.
• Personal Struggle with Addiction:

  "In the moment, I don't think you can [realize you're throwing it away]...The drinking...was to numb a lot of things I was feeling...I realized I was addicted when...I OD'd in 2017." —Darren Waller [23:19]

• Advice to Youth:

  "There are so many different ways that we try to mask what we really feeling or who we really are...There has to be some level of return to authenticity." —Darren Waller [25:55]

• He emphasizes the importance of self-acceptance and dealing with underlying pain for sobriety and greater contentment.
• Ongoing Journey: Waller describes peace and happiness as ongoing processes, recognizing some years are better than others, but he feels more content and grounded today.

Future in Football (29:09–30:31)

• Taking it "year by year" without setting a hard timetable:

  "Every time I thought I've had my life figured out...God has flipped the script." —Darren Waller [29:44]

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Ernest Jones IV: Trade Shocks, Seattle Defense, and Football Culture

(Segment begins at 36:16)

Surprised by the Trade (36:32–38:08)

• Life Shift: Recounting the shock of being traded from the Rams after a breakout year:

  "We don’t know...All I know is we ended up training camp...and I get the call like, 'We finna trade you,' and I didn’t really see it coming." —Ernest Jones IV [37:44]

• Never got to negotiate a contract; was "fortunate and glad" with the outcome in Seattle.

Seamless Fit in Seattle (38:35–41:01)

• Defensive Brotherhood: Speaks about Seattle's legacy of defensive excellence and how the culture, from locker room energy to the crowd intensity ('12th man'), made his transition smooth.
  • Memorable line:

    "It's 53 other guys in that room, in that locker room, man, they dogs, man...for the love of the game." —Ernest Jones IV [39:10]

• The adrenaline and support from fans are unmatched.

Defensive Dominance & Coaching (41:01–41:47)

• Stats and Strategy: Outlines the Seahawks' strong defensive stats—second-fewest points allowed, top in red-zone defense and takeaways.
• Credits Coach Mike Macdonald for meticulous game planning:

  "Our coach got us dialed in right now." —Ernest Jones IV [41:47]

Experience with Greats & Aaron Donald Tribute (42:05–49:07)

• Super Bowl Year: Reminiscing on playing with Von Miller, Aaron Donald, and other legends.
• On Aaron Donald:

  "Just a monster man. Just wrecking shop every day...He decides when he wants to do that." —Ernest Jones IV [48:22]

• Details Donald's unique intensity, noting how the rest of the team struggled to even practice against him.

Seattle’s Defensive Line & Personal Goals (49:29–51:26)

• Praises Seattle’s current D-line and his opportunity to "fly around and make plays."
• Personal goals: Remain healthy, increase his playmaking in space, aim for All-Pro selection, but ultimately, “all about winning.”

Ring Culture & Team Aspirations (51:22–55:02)

• Super Bowl Dream: Wants to win another championship to give his current ring a "twin."
• Playful banter about wearing championship rings:

  "I'm waiting to get it a twin sister." —Ernest Jones IV [51:47]

• Madden Ratings: Jokes about lobbying for higher video game ratings, calling out underrated tackling numbers.

  "Missed four tackles last year. Ain’t too many people...gotta get that up.” —Ernest Jones IV [52:26]

Seattle Life & Diet (53:47–55:36)

• Fun moments discussing local culture, seafood, and his hearty appetite:

  “I'm on the South Georgia diet.” —Ernest Jones IV [55:07]

  • Panel jokes about how a “clean diet” is the gateway to Defensive Player of the Year.

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Commentary: A.J. Brown’s Frustrations with the Eagles’ Offense

(Segment begins at 57:09)

A.J. Brown’s Public Comments (57:09–58:26)

• Plays Brown’s locker-room audio, where he emphasizes wanting the ball to spark the offense—not for stats but for team momentum:

  “When the game's on the line...give the ball to me. I want that pressure. I put it on myself.” —A.J. Brown [57:45]

• Brown is open about his mindset, acknowledging public misunderstanding but asserting that teammates know his intentions.

Panel Reactions & Debate (58:23–62:55)

• Shannon’s Take:

  “The only thing I would say...keep it in house. Because the perception...in our business, optics and perception is everything.” —Shannon Sharpe [58:36]

• Ocho: Appreciates Brown’s accountability and "killer mentality," but notes that wide receivers’ independent roles and reliance on QBs make these frustrations common and often misinterpreted.
• Playcalling Critique:

  "Let's be a little bit more creative...I can name [the route] too, based on the split every time." —Ocho [60:32]

Broader Perspective

• Winning vs. Stats:

  “It's hard to get people on your side when you're winning...I want you to catch passes, but not as much as I want to win the game.” —Shannon Sharpe [62:03]

• A Call to Internal Communication: Panel agrees players should address frustrations directly with coaches and QBs rather than via social media for team unity.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Darren Waller on Authenticity:

  "There are so many different ways that we try to mask what we really feeling...There has to be some level of return to authenticity, find...a peacefulness and a joy and just being...exactly who you are." [25:55]

• Ernest Jones IV on Being Traded:

  "I never got to talk numbers with [the Rams]. Just nothing. Nothing. It came out of nowhere for us on our end. But honestly, I'm fortunate and glad it happened..." [38:15]

• Shannon Sharpe on Locker Room Leadership:

  "You gotta show me the team that has the strong locker room, and I'll show you a team that consistently win. You show me a team...that the locker room and the guys don't hold the other guys accountable, and I'll show you a team I like." [13:35]

• A.J. Brown on Handling Pressure:

  “When the game's on the line...give the ball to me. I want that pressure. I put it on myself..." [57:45]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Darren Waller interview: 02:59–30:47
• Ernest Jones IV interview: 36:16–55:50
• A.J. Brown and Eagles offense discussion: 57:09–62:55

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Closing Notes

This episode delivers a compelling mix of personal journeys (Waller’s comeback and addiction story), inside-the-lines X’s and O’s (Seattle’s defensive identity, Eagles’ playcalling issues), and real NFL locker room mentality. Conversations are candid, sometimes humorous, and always real, reflecting Club Shay Shay’s trademark blend of insight and authenticity.

If you missed the episode, you’ll come away understanding the importance of self-awareness in player comebacks, why locker room leadership fuels winning cultures, and how even the NFL’s top talents wrestle with team dynamics and personal expectations.

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Hello. It's your favorite sports thunk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're going to make OO cry. We got a very special guest join us. We got former pro Bowler, former Raven, former New York Giant, former Raider joining us, Darren Waller. Darren, how you doing?

[D]

What's going on, man? How y' all doing? Appreciate y' all having me, man.

[A]

I'm doing amazing. Let me ask, bro, you playing, I mean, you look, you have a little setback and we'll get into that a little bit. You get drafted by the Ravens, you have, you know, have some issues. You end up going to the Ravens where you revive your career playing. Unbelievable. You go to the Giants and having success there, and then abruptly, you know, you stepped away from the game. What went into that decision that you playing basically at the height of your career and you said, you know what, I need to step away.

[D]

I feel like mentally and emotionally, I feel like I kept running into similar walls I was running into earlier in my career. I wasn't necessarily sabotaging myself in the same way, but I just felt like I kept running to the wall like this. This isn't really fulfilling to me. I feel like there's a lot more room for me to be having joy here and I'm not having joy. So I feel like I needed to step away to really just reevaluate my life. While I was doing the things I was doing, was I doing them for me or was I doing them for other people to give me a thumbs up like that? So I feel like taking that time away really presented an organic moment for me to come back and join the Dolphins.

[C]

You know what, when I think about it, too, when you think about that, that that organic moment for you and being able to get away and having a sense of peace for most, usually football allows us to get that peace away from the world, away from reality. Are you in a space now, are you in a head space now where you think you fulfilled whatever it is you needed to step away from the game from, and now you can devote your attention to just football?

[D]

Yeah, I just feel a lot lighter, a lot purer, just in my life, you know, I feel like there was a lot of things I was involved in or trying to do just to, I don't know, escape the game in a way. But now I feel like the perspective I got from these last couple of years allows me to step in and just see it the way I saw it, like, when I was a kid. You know what I'm saying? Just being excited to play, like, having fun, like, with the team just cutting up, like, it's just. I just see it with a whole new pair of glasses now.

[C]

Yeah, that's dope.

[A]

When you stepped away from the game, did you think it would be as easy as it was to get. Get back in? Because normally, you know, it. Getting in is easy. Getting back in is really, really hard.

[D]

Yeah, I feel like dudes ain't just really. Just like, stepping away and then being like, oh, I want to come back. Usually they step away. It's like, there really ain't no coming back. So me coming back into it, I mean, I feel like I've always respected the game, so I'm like, dudes, it's still just as fast, stronger, maybe even more so. So I'm like. I practiced maybe three full practices, a couple limited ones earlier right when camp first ended. So I was like, I don't even really know what I'm gonna be like when I step back into this. Like, I'm gonna get hit, too. I ain't got hit in two years. And then to have it go how I went on Monday was just like, you couldn't even script that for real, I think.

[C]

But when you think about it, too, when you were in the game, you were still one of the better players in the league at your position. I mean, just removing yourself for two years. Two years from that and coming back with just two years, you're still going to be one of the better players at your position, as you saw when you guys played. So I'm excited for you. Skies is obviously the limits. Tyreek Hill is now gone, and so that puts you to even. Even more of a bigger role. Because knowing Mike McDaniels, in the creativity he has offensively, you can create mismatches with you. All damn day. All damn day.

[D]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

Straight up, how long did it take you for your spidey senses to come back? Because, you know, like, when you enjoy, like, when you take, like, four months off, it takes you a while to really understand, like, okay, this is where my dangerous body of danger over here. The guy's coming up from behind. I need to get up in my shadow. Being away for two years, I can only imagine in your spidey senses are shut off for two years. How soon did it take them to start tingling again? Where you felt, okay, this is man zone. I got danger on my right. I need to get up in my shadow. I need to spin left. I need to spin right. How long did that take for it to come back?

[D]

I still feel like it's coming back because, like, during the week, the week of practice last week, like, we had, like, put a play in where I was kind of running like, like a choice, but, like, it kind of turns into, like, a wheel route and I was out there, like, on the rail.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

I'm on the red line. I catch it. Like, my feet are just barely inbound. So I'm like, I got to get my field spacing back. But luckily, like, that first play, first third down of the game, it was just like two man, and I'm just like, all right. Like, I know what this look like. I beat this a million times.

[C]

And.

[D]

And just like that, muscle memory came back. But no, you definitely right. Like, I feel like the spacing, reading his own, seeing how things coverages react from the disguise, like post snap. I feel like all that shit's got to come back with reps. Yeah, Well.

[C]

I mean, and speaking of reps, was the game too fast for you? Did it feel like you were moving in slow motion a little bit, being that you've been away from the game? And listen, you didn't get a chance to play in the preseason, I'm. I'm not sure, but game speeding, totally different. It doesn't matter how much you practice. Once you get in the game, playing against somebody else, you'd be like, what the hell? Have you caught up to that yet? Are your legs. Are your legs up underneath you yet?

[D]

I feel like it was a good start Monday, you know what I'm saying? Like, I was getting, you know, reps against guys like sauce. And, you know, there's good. There's good athletic guys on that defense that's moving fast. So I feel like it's a good start. And, you know, I'll probably see matchup guys with guys like JC on Sunday with the Panthers, they got some guys that can cover. So, I mean, I feel like it's only gonna get better for me. I feel like the little things tops of the routes just to feel like how I'm feeling In stems and just, you know, playing fast and not really thinking is gonna probably take some time, but I feel like I'm probably further along. I think I was just off Monday night because I didn't know what to expect.

[A]

I think the thing is that you, like you said, I mean, you really haven't. It wasn't like you were out running routes because you didn't know if you were going to come back. And so now, basically, they putting you out there. You got to, hey, I. Do I rip? Do I swim? What do I do? Do I press? I mean, do I get on the outside? I know I'm. I don't want to square him up because I don't want him to get my whole chest. I just want to give him a shoulder to hit. How soon did the route running aspect of it come back?

[D]

Like I said, it's still coming back, bro. Like, I got. So I had got injured when. A few weeks into my training of when I said, all right, I'm gonna play again. And that had me out for real until last week. So, like, I had a few practices before I got hopped in that game. So it's really all just coming back to me as we go along. So, like, these Wednesdays Thursday practices is, like, super intentional.

[A]

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[D]

Yeah, super intentional for me to kind of, like, all right, how can I curate, like, everything that dudes was doing throughout camp? You know, I'm kind of, like, trying to hustle up and kind of get back into. Into that flow, but also just understand, like, you know, I am where I'm where I am. I'm supposed to be here right now. I ain't got to be where anybody else is at in a journey. My journey is probably as weird and unique as it gets. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

With the Tyreek. Were you on the field when Tyreek got injured, or did you see it on the Jumbotron when I was right there?

[D]

So we had ran, like. I don't know if they call that a crash concept in your day, but it's like the dude in the slot runs, like, the 12 yard out, and you got the under from number one.

[A]

The smash route. Yeah, we smashed the smash.

[D]

I ran a little under from number one, and I seen the ball go over my head. So I turned, I'm like. And Reed caught it. And then I just saw, like. And then I seen his leg dangling and ocean's, like, spot, like, just instantly, just, like, it just brought me to the ground. Like, I didn't even know my body Just didn't even know how to react.

[A]

Yeah. Because they said he suffered. Suffered a dislocated knee. Yeah. Torn ACL and maybe some other ligaments damage. It was. It's tough seeing that. So obviously, you know, and Mike McDaniel is telling the story of how he's, you know, he's joking with some of the guys. And, like, guys, you just make sure you get this win, knowing. Because, look, you've been around this game enough. You know, when it's a serious injury, nobody have. The doctor doesn't have to tell you anything. You don't have to hear about a report. You've been around this game enough. You see that, you know. Yeah. He not coming back.

[D]

Yeah. Straight away, I turned around and I was like, come. Come get him.

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[D]

They got to put him in the air. Cast immediately.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So you was with Gruden. I think you were groomed because he's like, hey, this. This guy. And he saw you. What has been the biggest difference between Gruden and. And Mike McDaniel? Because they both. This. This. Basically, the verbiage might be a little different, but this is the west coast system.

[D]

Yeah. No, the similarities between the two just coming from, like, the. The founding fathers, like. Like Mike Shanahan and Gruden, like, it's kind of easy for me to pick up the concept. Like, there's different words, different nuances, but they're both really, like, they're one of one individuals. Like, there's. I don't think I've ever met anybody with personalities like. Like either one of them. They got their own unique sense of humor, but, I mean, they love ball for real, and they love giving. Putting the guys in position to, you know, do something with their career, do something with their lives, you know, so they. It's really fun energy to be around. I feel like both of them got just a distinct energy.

[A]

Hey, I don't. I don't know. It's hard for you to say, but the. The word out is there have been reports that he was too lenient, and guys were coming late to practice, and guys were coming late to meetings, and guys were overweight. What have you seen in your short time there that leads you to believe that, you know what? He's the guy that can get this fixed. He's the guy that can turn this around and get the Dolphins going in the right direction.

[D]

I've seen a sense of urgency just since July from cleaning up, you know, like the. The finds that guys had from last year, and just, like, all the little Things that's just like, how the. How the are we doing this and thinking that we going to win? Like, I feel like he's put in his energy and. And used his words to be like, hey, like, this is. This has got to change. And, you know, of course it starts with me, but at the same time, it's like, it's really up to the guys in the locker room to police this. And I feel like the captains have really, really gone out. Gone out their way for sure to make sure things are different from that regard, you know, and results on the field. Sometimes it's like, okay, it may take a while to get things going. Like, that's how the league goes. Super competitive. But from the standpoint of little things like you just described, I haven't seen any of that this year. And so it's like, all right, like, once you have that out the way, like, we can actually go somewhere.

[A]

Locker room controls the football team. They police, they run. You gotta show me the team that has the strong locker room, and I'll show you a team that consistently win. You show me a team that, like, that the locker room and the guys don't hold the other guys accountable, and I'll show you a team I like. Just let me. You let me go. You put me in any locker room for a week, and I don't know anything, so I'm going in there blind. I'm just gonna happen to be in the locker room. I'm just gonna be observant. I'll tell you who's winning and who's losing.

[C]

Matter of fact, ad since you came back, right, two years remove, obviously you get an opportunity to come back, play for the Dolphins. Obviously you have your team goals from an individual standpoint, two years move for the game of football. What would be a successful season to you now that you've returned?

[D]

I think a successful year for me is, you know, really just kind of keeping the same mindset I had before. It's like, I don't necessarily know if it'll be 100 catches. I don't know if it'll be the metrics that they once were five, six years ago, but just the same process of like, however many opportunities it is, like, those opportunities don't get maximized is how I kind of try to measure success, try to get away from, like, the stats and everything like that, and really just kind of like being a leader, kind of being one of those guys like that. Shannon was just discussing, like, I'm the oldest guy on the team, I think which is, which is wild. Like, let's turn 33 September 13th.

[C]

That ain't bad. That's young, right?

[D]

So just kind of like embodying that presence too, and just kind of like some of the that I've been through coming in, going back, like going from where I was in my career, I can relate to where any of these dudes is at in a career, from practice squad to getting cut to getting traded to on the rise. Like just kind of stepping up in my leadership abilities. I would say as well.

[A]

Now that you're back in football, because when you stepped away from the game, you stepped into music. Obviously that's a passion of yours. But now that you're back in football, have you put music on the back burner? Is that something that you're going to pick back up once your football career is over?

[D]

Yeah, it's kind of on the back burner for now for sure. Like, I've, I think I've written of one verse or two since July and like a hook or two for a song, but like I haven't really been doing anything. It's been focused on football for real. Like I got a, a lot of songs, like I'll, I'll like tease some, like put some music behind some posts that I put out, but all those songs are recorded before I even got back out here, so. And it'll be nice to take a break because I was going hard with it and creating in my time off and so I feel like it's a good flow for me to be back in ball. And when it's time to pick the mic back up again, I feel like.

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I mean, I haven't really heard a whole lot of rappers from Georgia Tech, but. Okay.

[C]

Hey, I'm glad you do that.

[A]

You know, I guess it's. It's a new thing, Darrell. Hey, hey, we. We. We open to it.

[C]

Yeah. Hey, you know, one of. One of my hobbies and one of my passions is, you know, I write. I wr. I've written for a few. A few artists. So at any point you pick that mic back up, let me know. You know, I've written for Drake. I've written for. For Nicki Minaj. I've written for Lil Wayne.

[D]

You got. You got real credits.

[C]

Oh, yeah, I got real credit. If you ever. I wrote for Beyonce. If you. If you look at their credits on some of the songs that I've done, I'm in the credits.

[A]

Songs, huh?

[D]

Your connection up.

[C]

I'm gonna show it to you, I'm gonna send it to you. But yeah, yeah, we get in the studio, do a little something. Duet or something.

[D]

Say less, bro.

[A]

And I need to know what's the best. What's the best cigar lounge in.

[D]

In South Florida, But I'm in like Fort Lauderdale area.

[C]

Hey, listen, we could go together. Smoke on the water.

[D]

Smoke on the water.

[C]

Smoke on the water. Right there. Right off Royal Palm. Royal Palm Boulevard. Yeah. Or.

[A]

Or, you know, Darren, I don't do nothing but smoke them. Them Daniel Marshalls.

[C]

Hey, send me my cigars, man.

[A]

Whoa, whoa. I'm talking. I'm talking to the gas. This ain't got nothing to do with you, Ocho. I'm telling the man what I smoke.

[C]

You don't even smoke, Ocho.

[A]

You see, all I'm saying is that the Daniel Marshall. Those are 24 karat. You know, I got like. I got a box of those.

[C]

Can you send my cigars? Hey, Ad, On Pembroke Pines, Primary Pines Boulevard, there's another cigar bar called Aficionados. Them. The two I go to is real nice.

[D]

I ain't smelling those 24 karat gold, but yeah, you.

[A]

The gold leaves you look gold something, you know, Daniel Marshall, when next time you go to the cigar bar, now they gonna be in the case. You just can't go pull them. Cause you know, they like a. They like 85 to 120 a stick, but, you know.

[C]

Nah, Ad, don't listen to him. Them stick cost 289a.

[D]

We all that.

[A]

Listen.

[C]

Yeah, Ocho, why you mad?

[A]

Cause I got. I got a box of them. Damn. I see you a couple.

[C]

Hey, Adam, them sticks was probably sent to him by Accident. They were probably for me. You don't smoke cigars, huh?

[A]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[D]

We're getting black and miles.

[A]

Darren, in 2020, you founded the Darren Waller foundation with the mission to equip youth to avoid and overcome addiction of drugs and alcohol. Support the youth and their family during the recovery and treatment journey. I don't know how well our audience know, but you originally drafted by the Ravens. I mean, a guy that you're. That's your size 6, 5 and a half, 255 pounds, can run like you can run. You're a matchup problem. No linebackers doing anything with your safety. They're just too small. People are putting their best corner. You beat sauce for a touchdown you were getting. When you were at your prime. When you were with the Raiders, you. I thought you were gonna get my record that day, too. I think you had fit, like, 15 catching for 200 yards. I'm like, damn, he gonna get it. To overcome what you overcame when you're at your darkest, did you understand? Like, man, I'm throwing this great opportunity away. Did you. Did you understand? When you're in it, do you understand or do you realize that you actually have an addiction? Who told you you have an addiction? When did you realize you had an addiction?

[D]

Yeah, that's a great question. I feel like in the moment, I don't think you can. I think you're too numb, at least. I was, like, for me, like, the. The drinking and. And, like, that was to numb a lot of things. I was feeling, thinking, experiencing. So in those moments where, you know, a normal person would feel like, oh, like, I'm throwing this away, like, I don't have access to that feeling, like, it's all kind of shut off. You know what I'm saying? And I had guys like, Ben Watson was with the Ravens when I was there, like, right before I got suspended, and he was like, if you could just, like, lock in, bro, like, you don't know where this could go. Like. Like a whole bunch of people just telling me that, and I'm just like, I can't really receive it because I also don't really have that much confidence in myself. So I realized I was addicted when. Because I OD'd in 2017. It was, like, a month before what would have been my third season, and I was probably gonna be a starting Titan in Baltimore that year. That was 2017. And, yeah, I OD'd and then went to rehab a month later. And I'm just sitting there listening to everything they're saying. I'm like, damn. Like, I definitely. That's you 100 me. It's all throughout my family, you know what I'm saying? Like, throughout, like the generations of my family has kind of like, impacted a lot of people. So it's passed on to me and then being able to have the opportunity to be like, all right, I could change the course of generations going forward for my family and also just, you know, be somebody that people can look to because, like, I done up plenty times and. But they. They can still be successful whatever they got going.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

How. How old were you when. When you started drinking or you started dabbling with drugs? Were you young or whether you got to college, you started drinking? You know, college atmosphere. Was it a high school? I was pretty young.

[D]

I was like 15. My. I got into, like, painkillers, like the hydrocodone, 5 milligrams, 10 milligrams. First started smoking weed and drinking after that, probably like junior year, and was just kind of off from there. It got real crazy through college and through my first couple years in the league. And then so it's about like a 10 year run from like 15 to. I got sober like a month for my 25th birthday.

[A]

What would you want? Your. What message would you like to share with the youth about what they can potentially overcome? Given you're the best per. You're the best teacher because you've overcome something. You know, a lot of what these kids are dealing with. You know, a lot of the signs, you know, a lot of the symptoms, you know, a lot of, man, I'm all right. No, you're not. Because that seat that you're sitting in, I sat in that seat for about a decade. Now I'm in this seat. And I want to share with you the message of how you can beat this addiction.

[D]

The message for me is just like, there are so many different ways that we try to mask what we really feeling or who we really are. We compare ourselves to so many different people. There has to be some level of return to, like, authenticity, find, like a comfortability, like a peacefulness and a joy and just being like, exactly who you are. Because I feel like, me, this young kid, I was like, it all stemmed from the pain I felt from feeling like I was always, like, the odd man out or people thought I was too weird, or I had big ears, big feet, I was getting roasted. Or like, it all started from all these. All these little things. I was like, man, I don't feel like I'm right. Good enough. And I want to turn to things that make me feel like I'm good enough or at least forget the fact that I'm not good enough. And when really it's like, there are people around you that are going through the same things. We just all try to act like we don't have stuff going on in our lives. So it's really just being yourself. You're going to attract people to. To you that love you for who you are and that will support you whatever you go through. So I would just say, you know, there is really no peace, no sobriety possible if you don't find ways to really deal with the pain, the trauma that happened earlier in your life or whenever in your life and just. Yeah, finding peace with just being who you are, whether people like it or not.

[A]

I like that. Happiness. Happiness is. You know, people say, I found happiness, but happiness is something that you create. Peace is something that you create. How long did it take you to get to that point that you says, I'm at peace with, Darren. I'm happy with that.

[D]

It's been elusive, man, to be honest. Like, I think my journey with, like, sobriety just kind of seeing life differently started, like, 2017. And I feel like there were a couple years in there where I was like, okay, like, I'm moving in the right direction. And then there's some years in there where I'm like. I don't know. I feel like I'm kind of moving away. Like, I'm still sober, but there's still, like, still something that's missing a little bit from, you know, say, 21 to 23. And then it's like, since retiring, it's opened up nothing but a path for me to just go as deep as possible with those kind of things and really just look at myself in the mirror. And now I feel like it's, like, a lot more attainable. I feel like the happiness is fleeting, but it's like I'm a lot more content with my life. Like, I don't need. I can step into football and just be like, what I'm gonna.

[C]

Just.

[D]

I want to have this experience. This is what I want to do. I don't need it to do something for me to validate me to do X, Y, and Z. It's just like, I'm. This is the way I'm choosing to live my life, and I'm. I'mma enjoy this.

[C]

And that's dope, man. The funny thing about it, too, I'm. I'm really glad. I mean, I'm really glad you're able to be authentic and raw in answering these questions. The questions are phenomenal too, because there, there are people that are probably in the chat, there are people that are going to see this and, and people that are dealing with the same issues you are and not knowing how to navigate those situations or how to deal with it, and you being a testimony and being someone that has had issues but gotten the help and look where you are now. I mean, dude, that's an amazing story and kudos to you for having, for one, the discipline to do it and stick to it and be able to live out your childhood dream again. Because most times people don't get a second chance. Appreciate that, man.

[A]

Darren, we're gonna get you out of here on this one. Now that you're back, have you put a timetable or time limit on how, how long you want to play or you taking it year by year or you like, you know what? I really like to get two or three more in or you saying, you know what? All I know is that I'm going to play 2025, and I worry about 2026 and 2026 and beyond once that time arrived. But right now I'm in the here, I'm in the now, and that's all I can.

[D]

I think you, I think you really just said it right there, man, because it's like after experiences, like Monday, because I came in, like I said, I got, I got hurt my first couple weeks of training, I'm like, damn, bro.

[A]

We on this again.

[D]

Like, this is still, this still happening. And so I'm like, there's doubt, there's fear. Like, did I even make the right decision coming back? But then having like a night like Monday, it's like, well, wait, like, this feels like they're still, like, plenty left here. Maybe there is something more future. But it's like, I feel like, like you just said, playing this season, giving this season my all, and then re evaluating from there. And so I'm, I'm open to everything. I don't want to say I'm done. This is just one chapter because, you know, I don't really know. Every time I thought I've had my life figured out in which direction it should go, I feel like God has flipped the script and been like, nope, we going this way now because I, I, I was, I was set on not playing football ever again, but it's like, here I am, so I'm trying to just remain open.

[A]

Well, Darren, thanks for joining us tonight, man. Congratulations on all the success. Everything that you've overcome lets us know that there is a God and that anything is possible. Stay healthy, and after the season, come back and talk to us.

[D]

Sir. Man, appreciate you always.

[A]

I appreciate you coming on, man. Darren Waller, tight end for the Miami Dolphins. To go through what he's gone through, Ocho, to be able to overcome, because, you know, hey, like you said, he was about to start in Baltimore.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And ended up getting suspended a couple of times, and they, like, they moved on, and now he ends up with the Raiders, and he's a Pro bowl player. I mean, he's at the top. He's one of those top players. And then, you know, all of a sudden, abruptly.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, he steps away from the game, and for two years, he's like. He's like, you know what? I want to come back. And kudos to the Dolphins for giving the opportunity. I don't know if there were other teams out there willing to give him an opportunity, but I know the Dolphins was one, because he's playing with the Dolphins. And so it's always great when you, you know, you, you, you, you here, you're down here, and then you're back up here again. And so, like you said, he doesn't know if he'll ever be what he once was in his prime. But for him to come back and to show that there's a possibility. Cause, Ocho, you and I talk about it all the time. It's easier to get into the league than get out and try to get your butt back in.

[C]

Back in.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But listen, if you're really good and you leave a good impression before you leave the chance of you coming back, they pretty good mismatch nightmare. You think about this. Remember when Jimmy Graham's with the Saints?

[A]

Yep.

[C]

You see what he looked like?

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Gronk. I'm not saying he's Gronk. I'm not saying he's Jimmy Graham, but I'm just saying that he's a mismatched nightmare.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

He can go out there out wide and go against receivers. I mean, he just. Man, he's really good. And you got a small sample size of that when they played Monday night.

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Now, our second guest joining the first won the super bowl with the Rams. Played unbelievable, a tackling machine. Here he is, starting middle linebacker for the Seattle Seahawks. Ernest Jones.

[E]

That's it. Yes, sir. How y' all doing?

[A]

How you doing, bro?

[E]

How y' all doing, man?

[A]

We doing good.

[C]

Yeah, I'm here on the road, chilling. Hey, I could say I could tell you something real quick.

[E]

Talk to me.

[C]

Hey, do you feel blessed that you ain't got to deal with me in today's game?

[E]

Honestly, I wish you was out there. We wouldn't have to worry about you too much.

[C]

You don't think so? But you know I would have ran you up.

[E]

You know we got a. A Devin Witherspoon out there, right? A Devin Witherspoon.

[C]

The only Witherspoon I know is the kind I eat with.

[A]

That's it.

[E]

And running me over wouldn't have never happened, man, but.

[C]

Well, I'm 236.

[E]

See what Ray did to you. You know, Ray?

[A]

Ernest, man, thanks for joining us, bro. You fit right in in Seattle. I mean, you having a great. You was having a. Let's go back. The Rams, bro. You playing out of your mind. You. 130. 140 tackles. What ha. What happened with the Rams?

[E]

I mean, we still trying to figure it out. Honestly, we. We don't know. We don't. We really don't know. All I know is we. We ended up training camp, practice in Houston. I get off the. The plane ahead to my car and I get the call like, hey, we. We finna trade, you and I. I didn't really see it coming. Thought it was a joke at first, but they were real serious.

[A]

What did. Were you at. Hold on. Was you. Were you asking for a contract? What? What? Something had to precipitate this.

[E]

We never even got there. I never got to talk numbers with him. Just. Just, Just nothing. Nothing. It came out of nowhere for us on our end. But honestly, I'm fortunate and glad it happened, though, because landing in 10. I mean, Seattle really Changed everything for me.

[A]

Now you get to. You get. You get to be yourself. You go to a team that Seattle, they pride themselves on defense. Ever since the Legion of Boom, when all those guys with Earl and Sherm and Chancellor and all those guys, Avril and, and. And Bennett from there, Wag B Wags. From that time on, this has been a defensive led football team. And you land in a defensive led football team. You mentioned a Witherspoon, you mentioned Wolin, you mentioned the guys that you guys. Now, how has that transition scene been so seamless? Because it seems like you were drafted in Seattle, like you were born to play in Seattle.

[E]

I agree with you there. That's how I feel. I think the biggest thing that different from there than a lot of the places that I've been, it's 53 other guys in that room, in that locker room, man, they dogs, man. They play football the right way. It's for the love of the game. And getting in there in October, once I was there, they. They welcomed me in so, so seamlessly. And it just was a perfect fit.

[A]

Now, I don't know if you know this. They traded you to the. They traded you to Seattle, right? You know what that means? You know, when the Rams, when a team trades you within, within the division, you know, they don't have a whole lot of respect for you, Ernest, you know.

[E]

Well, they traded me to Tennessee first.

[A]

Oh, well, you got to see what. Yeah, because see, they try to keep.

[E]

You out of the business, but now you gotta see me twice.

[A]

So. So now we. Okay, let. So you look up there, you say, you know what? We got. We got y' all such and such week. We got y' all such and such a week. I don't know what's gonna happen, but I promise you, y' all gonna feel 13.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[E]

100. I'll be there. Whatever time the game start, I'll be there early.

[C]

What has it been like playing out there at that stadium? I remember being out there that 12th, man. Boy, you can't hear nothing. Boy, boy, nothing. But what is that feeling like, man, being out there with those.

[E]

I mean, like you said, you can't hear nothing. I remember coming up here when I was with the Rams and you know, the stadium, of course, I'm on defense and their offense is going, so I really don't hear the noise. But, man, my first game here when we played Buffalo, I was like, this is real.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

The 12, they show up everywhere. Anywhere. Rain, sleet, snow, or hell, they gonna show up. And it's just. It's good to have a, you know, have a. A fan base that comes and support us and we gotta show out for them.

[A]

Most definitely Seahawks, they're allowing the second fewest points, the third best red zone defense, fourth most takeaways, sixth most sacks, sixth best run defense. How have you guys. The first at the quarter poll. How have you guys been able to play so well so quickly on defense?

[E]

I guess for us, I think the cliche answer would be like, you know, we trust in the guys, you know, next to us, we put in the work. But I'm be honest with you, man. Mike McDonald, he the man. He puts us in great positions to get out the quarterbacks, get out the opposing offenses throughout the week. He gets us ready and man, on Sunday, he calls a great game. So a lot of it has to do with, you know, our ability and us going out there and executing. Cute. But our coach got us, got us dialed in right now.

[A]

Would you. You look, think about it. You was on that, that team that won the Super Bowl. Von Miller, you got A.D. you got Floyd, you had Ram. You look, I mean, have you ever thought about. Have you. I mean, did you go home and like, damn, boy, we got a. This defense for real, man.

[E]

Shoot, every. Every day that whole year, I was just thinking about it, man, before the Super Bowl, I'm sitting up there reminiscing on like, okay, big moment. This is what you've been kind of working for. And I think I ended it with like, shoot, just don't it up for Aaron Donald. Just don't mess it up. So I went out there and just went out there and played and balled. But, man, that learning from the best there is to play AD Von Miller out there getting sacks. I mean, even Weddell Weddle came in and showed me what is what it's like to be a true teammate, true leader. So big credits and shout out to those guys.

[A]

What was it like watching Aaron Donald? Because I remember watching him come out and I saw him at the super bowl before the draft and they like, I was like, damn, who? I said, man, that's Aaron Donald.

[C]

I said, that little rascal.

[A]

He the one that. Because when you look at him, he not a. I mean, he has wide shoulders, but you look at him, he like six foot tall. Like, man, him, boy, when I watched his first game when he was a rookie, well, I watched him at. When he was not at Pitt. Yeah, I was like, ain't no way that him doing all, raising all that.

[C]

Hell, taking on double team, splitting Double team, getting skinny, man, doing everything.

[E]

Everything you can think of.

[A]

When you first saw it, what did you think? When you first saw him? What did you think, Ernest?

[E]

When I first saw him, I'm gonna be honest. I didn't know too much. Too much about him. Like, of course, he. He was. Aaron Donald had been in the league a couple years, but I wasn't really all the way hip to him like I should have been. And I can remember the first day I was out there giving calls, and he didn't get the call, and he told me to speak up, and the way he said it just caught me off guard. So I'm like, I can't. I can't let this grown man talk to me like that. But to sit back and watch him. I found myself a lot of times watching him, watching him create habit, destroy stuff. And there's been times, man, he stopped practicing. They told him to get out. So I've seen some. I've seen some things.

[A]

Yeah, because you can't get anything done if he get. If he's giving it 100 effort. You see what he does on Sunday. Now, everybody don't got a. A Zach Martin or Quentin Nelson to be able to deal with him. Or. Or. What's the guy in Seattle? I mean, not seattle, but the 49ers. What's the left tackle name? Ocho? Big Trent. Everybody don't got that. So if he says, you know what? I'm just gonna wreck shop today. Y' all ain't gonna get nothing done. You're not gonna get anything done.

[E]

And he's.

[A]

He.

[E]

He decides when he wants to do that.

[C]

That's crazy.

[A]

Your squad started the season with the 20th best odds to make the Super Bowl. Every. Every publication had you guys picked dead last. Now all of a sudden, hey, it looked like you and you and you. It might come down to you and you.

[E]

It's turning, huh? It's turning. That the plan? We know what it is. I. I firmly believe when the NFC west, when all four of those teams are smoking and on fire, man, that's one of the hardest divisions to come out of. So we know what's on. We know what's on the line. We know who we got to get through to get there. And we.

[A]

Last game of the season. This is for the division. Rams takes on the Seahawks. This is for the division. What can we. What can we expect from Ernest Jones?

[E]

Oh, man, A performance. I'm ready to ball out a performance. Something sweet, slow, and sexy.

[C]

And, you know, it's funny. Defense Y', all, the numbers speak for itself already a quarter way through the season, but that goddamn Sam Donald and jsn, all this, they might. They might be the next big thing, man.

[E]

That. That. That duo right there is growing to see where they came from, from OTAs, when offensively, they were learning new. Couldn't really figure it out to see them guys where they're at now. And this is just a start. Like, those are. Sam's a baller, cool, composed, and JSN is a quiet killer out there.

[A]

Were you surprised the AD stepped away when he did? Because you're talking about a guy that played 10 years. He won three MVPs. He won. I mean, he was phenomenal. He was eight time, nine time, first team, all probably. I mean. And he's just like, you know what? I don't want to do it no more. I don't have the passion to train what it requires me to be the AD that y' all see every Sunday that takes the off season, and I'm done with that.

[E]

I truly. I could say I wasn't surprised because we kind of knew coming into that year that it was going to be it. But I'd say you just said it for him to, you know, I guess be honest with himself and know that, you know, I don't have what it takes to be Aaron Donald. I don't want to come out here and do the training and steal their money and just, you know, be taken. Like you just said, it was. It was kind of honorable for him to put it up the way he did. Went out on his sword, went out at the top of his game. And, you know, you got to talk about him from. For years now as one of the best.

[C]

Yeah. And the funny thing, too, and even when you think about it, you think about Aaron Donald and all he's accomplished. You look at his accolades, you look at his resume. Coming to the NFL, won a championship. What the hell else does he have to prove? He had nothing else to prove.

[A]

I mean, a lot of people don't have anything to prove, but they're hard to walk away from. 30 mil a year.

[E]

Did he walk away from it? I think they were still paying my boy a little bit.

[A]

I mean. Cause, I mean, like I said, it wasn't like you saw slippage in his game. He could still split the double team. He's one on one. Hey. And he lined it up. He turning every door. Oh, this. Oh, this one locked. Oh, man, they left this one open. He gonna stay right there. He moving up and down the line. And he's telling everybody. I mean, your office line coach for the opposing team, number 99, you circle him, he gonna get a chance to whip all y' all ass. So don't even worry about him. Let's go on to the next guy because that's what's gonna happen. He gonna whip everybody ass. And you have to. Guys like him and LT and, and, and, and, and Reggie White and Bruce Smith, you had to account for them. They would wreck your entire offense if you did not have one, one miss. He gonna hit your quarterback in the back of the head and he gonna put it on the ground.

[E]

That's how he was, man. Just. Just a monster man. Just wrecking shot every day like it's. It's some stories that he probably wouldn't want told online. But that, man, that man is a monster.

[A]

That, yeah, that. He was whipping all the offensive lineman ass. They couldn't nobody block him. And he say, look here, if y' all give me a little. A little fee, I take it easy on y' all today. Cuz you had. Cuz they, they had one on one. You had one on one in training camp. You had one on one sometime during the course of the year. Yeah.

[E]

Ain't nobody blocking him at some point.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, what you gonna do? He getting that shade. He getting that. He getting that three Tech. Well, hell, he can get into five, he could. He could go up and down the line. He can get into a nine, he can get into a seven, he get into a five or three, a tilt that matter what you gonna do and.

[C]

You know, it's fine.

[A]

And he uses his hands. I've never seen a lineman look, use his hands like he could. He's almost like a wide receiver. I mean, if you look at the way he moving his hand ultra. How we swimming? How we knocking people's hands away. That's how he was as a defensive lineman. And then he catch you. He pushed the arm up and did he get skinny? I'm in there.

[C]

Hold on, hold on. They got a bad boy over there in Seattle right now, too, now. Who that 99?

[E]

Yes, sir.

[A]

Oh, yeah, Williams.

[C]

Yeah, they got a bad. I'm not saying he. Aaron Donald, but he's a bad boy, man.

[A]

I.

[E]

Listen, I. I've got the luxury to play behind some great defensive tackles. Knows, man, He's. He's up there. He's one of. He's one of the ones, man. And that whole front, that whole front four, whoever they roll out, Jerry, we got Byron Murphy, those guys man, they keep me protected, and I just fly around and make plays.

[A]

And you just. You just get the flow. You just like, hey, keep it clean. What. When you come in, I want to know the goals. So when you come, when you start the season, when you get ready, it's like, okay, I'll be getting ready to go to training camp. Give me some. Give me some of the goals that you set for yourself.

[E]

Oh, man, I'm sorry. I think for me, some of the goals that I set. When it. When it comes to coming out of training camp. Are you saying on a personal level or just far as the thing.

[A]

Yeah, on a personal level, obviously you want to win. Obviously. Like, if I do what I'm supposed to do, we gonna win, because I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get me about 150.

[E]

No, for sure. Me coming into this season specifically, this is the healthiest I've been. I dealt with a knee issue for the past two years, and it's still able to play at a pretty good level. But for me, this year was coming in healthy, and then it was from that. Let's take the next step in my game. Let's. Let's start affecting these passes that come across this middle and coverage a little bit more. Let's be more fluid out in space, make those tackles, and let's just see what happens. Man, of course I want to go. I want to go all pro. I want to be a pro Bowler, but I'm all about winning, getting there, and doing what's best for my team.

[A]

You want. You want another. You another piece of jewelry? Huh?

[E]

I need this one over here. Getting lonely, man. I need another one.

[A]

Do. Let me ask you a question. Do you wear it like when you go on road trips and you suited and booty that. Have you pulled it out? Do you wear it? Or you just like, nah, I gotta get you. I gotta get you. I gotta get you a partner. I gotta get you.

[E]

I'm wearing today. I. I pulled it out today for the first time. Today was the first time in a while, but I don't wear it. I'm waiting to get it. A twin sister.

[A]

Yeah, you gotta get a twin. You gotta get a swim for it. Cause he lonely up there, you know? He like, damn, I ain't got nobody to talk to. I ain't got nobody know to holl at or nothing, but what. What.

[E]

What's wrong? I need it.

[A]

And we.

[E]

We keep going the way we going and just keep. Keep getting better. I think we got a great shout out. Shout at it.

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

You got anything else?

[C]

No, no, I'm done. I'm done.

[E]

My last day for oo. Hey, that Madden overall, we gotta.

[C]

Tell me what.

[A]

You.

[C]

Tell me what you need, bro. Hey, listen, I take care of the receivers and the DBs. I don't really operate with the. With the linebackers and stuff.

[A]

What, you need speed. You need script.

[E]

For me, it's. Overall, I think. I think we lacking a couple things. The tackling. I think we do need to be better. Missed four tackles last year. Ain't too many people on the. Missing four tackles. We got to get that up a little bit, right?

[C]

So what's your overall rating? Like an 81.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

81.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. That real low. That real low. I don't agree with that.

[C]

Listen, I got. I got a meeting with the EA team in the morning. I'm gonna address that. I'm gonna bring it up. I'm gonna bring it up. Like, I'm really not in a position to bring it up if it's not a skill position, like receiving db. But I can sit on the table for you because it's on film.

[E]

I appreciate that. That's all I. That's all I play for, is the film.

[C]

I got you. I got you.

[A]

Who y' all got? That's gonna be a good one. Yeah, they got a. They. They got. They. Hey, they. They. Hey, them. Bucky. Bucky Irving and. And White. They can run the ball. Baker throwing it. Hey, that's gonna be a good matchup.

[E]

It's gonna be a good one. They come out the looming. So we'll. We'll see. See him Sunday.

[A]

See, we. I played in Lumen before y'. All became. Before y'. All. Wasn't good. It wasn't a crowd noise. Matter of fact. Oh, you know how to be like this here. I was like. I was on the opposite team. Like, get.

[E]

It's gonna pop this week. It's gonna pop this week.

[A]

Oh, for. Oh, for sure. So when you got to Seattle, did you go to the market?

[E]

I haven't been yet.

[A]

What the hell you waiting on?

[C]

Hey, you gotta go catch October.

[E]

The only thing I was trying to do is figure out a playbook.

[A]

I get you.

[E]

I was trying to figure that out. But we gonna get there. Me and my wife gonna get down there at some point.

[A]

So you. You like. You like seafood? You like fish?

[E]

I go. I go for fish. I'm allergic to shrimp, but other seafood. I'm styling.

[A]

I'm allergic to shellfish also.

[E]

It's just shrimp for me, which Is crazy.

[A]

No shrimp, lobster, crab, oysters, scallop.

[E]

It's a South Jordan.

[A]

Now, I can eat. I can eat calamari, but that's the difference. That's a crustacean and the mullet. So they're two different. Well, I'll tell you about it later.

[C]

But anyway, hey, hey, you don't. What's your diet like? You're not one of them healthy eaters and eat all that, that, that good stuff.

[E]

I'm. I'm gonna be mad here. I'm like, you. I, I. I'm gonna get it in. I'm gonna get it. I will say, I. I ain't been to McDonald's in a minute, but I'm. I'm gonna get full. I'm gonna just eat.

[C]

That's what I'm talking about. And see, and people want to understand. They want to question, well, why is he so good?

[A]

Why.

[C]

Why is he great? Why is he one of the best NFL? You know why? Because he eats the way he's supposed to eat.

[E]

I'm on the South Georgia.

[A]

Hey, clean that diet up. I guarantee you all pro first.

[C]

Hey, you clean the diet up, you're.

[A]

Gonna clean that diet up. First team all pro. Promo. Nope.

[E]

I got you.

[A]

Get you about. Get you about five force fumbles, three picks. Now, you know, with 135 tackles, four force fumbles, two fumble recoveries, and three picks, now they're talking about DPOY. That's what they talking about. I don't know if you want that or not, but you clean that diet.

[E]

I'm gonna get it done. I'm gonna get it.

[A]

That's what I'm talking about.

[C]

Hey, listen.

[A]

Don't be listening to Ocho.

[C]

Hey, I. I tell you one thing. Whatever you put in your system ain't got nothing to do with making none of that.

[E]

He just named it. I got you, man.

[A]

Earnest, man. Thank you, man. Appreciate you joining us tonight. Best of luck.

[E]

Appreciate y'.

[A]

All. Hey, and when that season turns out the way you want it, come back and talk.

[E]

I got you. Thank y' all for having me.

[A]

Appreciate you, bro. Ernest Jones iv, started the middle linebacker for the Seattle Seahawks. Man, he's an unbelievable player. I mean, I was shocked. I was absolutely shocked that they. When they traded the Mocho. Because I didn't see. Because I'm like, man, no, no. He could really play.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

[A]

Oh, yeah, he could. He could really, really play. I'm absolutely shocked.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That they moved it.

[C]

Yeah. The funny thing, too, about it, when you. When you. When you Move a player that's that good and make that kind of impact at that position, that means there's somebody else that they see behind him that they believe in. And I'm not sure who that is right now.

[A]

Well, no. One man's trash is somebody else's treasure because they got the Seahawks got an unbeliever. Hell, I'm surprised. Hell, he didn't stay in Tennessee. Yeah, look, no guy can play, y'. All. Hey, Chat. Y' all know, I call it like it is. He can play.

[C]

Well, listen, he legit.

[A]

He for real.

[C]

He in the right place.

[A]

Ojo. AJ Brown spoke to the media about why. Why he's frustrated with the Eagles offense being stagnant at times. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Yeah, but I think it's fair to.

[E]

You know, to want the ball to get.

[A]

To get us going, you know, like.

[E]

Last week against the Rams, you know.

[A]

I caught the Sluggo back offense going.

[E]

Next play, open up for Dallas Galler, the safety came over to my side.

[A]

And opening it up. So, you know, I don't think it's.

[C]

A bad thing for one, the ball.

[A]

It's not just for targets or anything.

[E]

To put numbers up. But no, I see that.

[C]

That we're struggling, and I'm a guy.

[A]

That wants the ball in those times.

[E]

When we can't find a way.

[B]

Give it to me.

[C]

Like, when the game's on the line.

[A]

Give the ball to me.

[E]

I want that.

[C]

I want that pressure.

[A]

I put it on myself up, you know, and I work hard for it.

[C]

And so.

[E]

And that's what, you know, the misconstruction or whatever, you misconstrue, you know, whatever perspective you.

[A]

You can about me.

[E]

But, you know, it is what it is, you know, And I don't care, to be honest, because my teammates know. My teammates know that when the game's on the line.

[C]

Look at me, you know, and I.

[A]

Want to everybody in the stadium to.

[E]

Know that, you know, that's not a secret. You know, I'm not shy away from that.

[A]

And so that's when you see that frustration comes out and stuff.

[C]

I see me struggling and I believe.

[A]

That you give the ball to me, I'm open up things and I'm gonna.

[B]

Get this thing going.

[C]

You can put it on my back.

[A]

I like that you like to eat your accountability for his thing. Yeah, I do, too. The only thing. The only thing I. The only thing I would say.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that keep it in house. Because the perception of how it's going to be perceived.

[C]

Right. It's completely different.

[A]

Oh, Joe. You know, optics and perception is everything in our business.

[C]

And this. And the one thing he did say, you heard what he said towards the end, is even if you guys misconstrue what I'm saying or what the meaning is, that I'm trying to get across, I don't care. And you have to have that mentality as well. He has that. He has that mama mentality in a sense. He has a killer mentality at the receiver position. He's out there by himself, Hunk. He's on the island by himself. So he's reliant on 10 other people.

[A]

Oh, he played. No, he plays independent position. Exactly. You had the mercy of the quarterback.

[C]

Hey, every time when we're struggling or the type of team we are, the way our offense is, we run the ball to open up the past. Well, you know what? I'm a player that's here where we can throw the ball to open up the run. And I want to be that guy. I put the pressure and the onus on myself, get me the ball in these situations.

[A]

You know, the hard thing is, Ocho, is that when you win a certain way, the team believe that's the only way they can win. So. So what? What do they do? Say, well, we won it last year. Well, you have to evolve because Saquon is not. The holes are not there for Saquon this year like they were last year. So clearly the defense is saying, we are not going to let 26 beat us at all. If you guys want to beat us, he's gonna have to throw the ball.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And AJ Said, well, damn, can we throw the ball when they don't know we gonna throw the ball? Hell, we just throwing the ball on third down. You make it really hard. But, you know, I'll be open on first down, too. I'll be open on second down.

[C]

Yeah. And then hold on.

[A]

Opportunity.

[C]

And one more thing, one more thing. Another thing that they need to do. Let's be a little bit more creative. Let's be a little bit more creative when it comes to the type of routes that you're giving A.J. brown the run. I can name him too, based on the split every time.

[A]

The under, under in the slant.

[C]

Listen, if he 2 yards outside the number, he running the goddamn slant. If you're on top of numbers, he running the goddamn curl. If he. If he's physically condensed, he run the quick stick route.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

It's the same. It's the same concept every time. Like what the hell are we doing?

[A]

That's it, Ojo. Travis Kelsey spoke about AJ Brown's tweet saying, you're four and. Oh, boss, come on, man. It's frustrating for AJ Right now. Clearly, he's going. He's going to social media to show it when. I show my frustration when we aren't rolling as an offense. But it's. But it's also really hard for me to get mad when we're winning. I don't find that energy when we're winning. Putting up points and winning football games. That's all I said. That was my entire point.

[C]

Right.

[A]

It's hard, people, Ocho. You can't say, well, I'm hungry. I give you food, man, this ain't no wagyu. This ain't no grind. Potatoes, man. This ain't no lobster Mac and cheese. Hey, so. And. And. And I. And I. And that was my point. That was all I was trying to say. It's hard to get people on your side.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

When you're winning, right? Billy wants to win. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And so when you're winning, it's hard to get people like, yeah, aj, you right. They were like, aj, we winning. Yes. I want you to catch passes, but not as much as I want to win the game. And so that's all I would say. And I get what people say. And people like with Travis Kelsey. Yeah. He gets with. Hey. When they not winning. Yep. He gonna act up when that offense is stagnant. And that's what AJ Is saying. Yeah. So it's just hard. Aj, go talk to Jalen, Go talk to Sirianni, and go talk to your. Damn. Your offensive coordinator.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That's what I'm talking to. I ain't gonna put no tweet out. I ain't gonna say I. I ain't gonna put nothing on no Twitter, Ocho. I'm going to talk to them because I got a direct line. I know. Hey, I know where your office is, and I know I got her phone number.

[C]

You don't think he done did that? You don't think he did that? Because we had the same problems last year. You don't think he's done that? I think the first step is he probably went and had those conversations already and nothing has changed. Nothing changed now we in the next year, and the same shit's still going on.

[A]

But again, I give you a prime example. Monday night, what did you see Chase do? Chase walked right up to Zach Taylor, didn't he? He walked right up to him.

[C]

He was frustrated. He was frustrated. And I'm curious. I'm curious to see. And it don't get no easy this week. This week they play Detroit.

[A]

Oh, Lord, they play Detroit. So, you know, Detroit put points on the board, Ocho, but who you telling?

[C]

They scored 50 week before last, and they scored 40 the last game. We don't have no choice. Zach Taylor spoke to the media today and said there's no need for us to bring another quarterback in, a veteran, because we believe in Jake Browning. I said, well, shoot, if we believe in Jake Browning, I ain't got no choice but to get on that bus, too. Let me guess where I'm at right now. Where in Cincinnati. Guess who I'm going to talk to in the morning.

[A]

Who?

[C]

The team. Because I'd be.

[A]

What you gonna talk about?

[C]

I'd be damned if I get embarrassed. Sunday, I'd be. Damn. I'm. I'm going to the game Sunday, obviously. I'm gonna leave the game. Going to the game Sunday. We will.

[A]

Don't worry about it. You can leave at halftime. It'll be over.

[C]

Hey, listen. Hey, unknown.

[A]

Hey. Hey, Chad, we gonna start on time?

[C]

Hey, Unc. When they get this pep talk for me. When they get this pep talk from me before that game, it's a rap. I'm telling you. I'm telling you.

[A]

Okay. I can't wait to hear this pep talk.

[C]

Hey, matter of fact, you know what? I'm so happy and just speaking back about, like, I know you ain't send me none of my gifts, but I got a nice gift for you. I got a nice.

[A]

What haven't I sent you? Hold on.

[C]

I got a nice gift for you. To show you my appreciation and thanks for giving me the opportunity, I got you an awesome gift.

[A]

You know what, Ocho? I'm gonna sing. You know what, Ocho? I'm gonna send you your gift. I'm gonna send you. You.

[C]

You even asked me what the gift was.

[A]

No, I don't need to know the whole point. Okay, Ocho, what's the deal?

[C]

I got tickets for me and you to sit front row. Front row. And we can go. We got backstage passes so we can take pictures and stuff. At the NBA YoungBoy concert, October 13th.

[A]

Where's that?

[C]

In Miami. All right, all right. Listen, listen, listen. Wait. Before you say anything, I know how you like to fly. I already got the private jet charter to pick you up, bring you to Miami. I got a driver for you to bring you to the concert. I got you two security guards.

[A]

Ocho, I Don't know one song. NBA Youngboy Sing, man.

[C]

I don't either. What you need to do is go listen to the song Rebels kick it. You can start there, and then I send you other stuff up to date that can catch you up to what you're going to hear at the club.

[A]

Can you give me. Can you give me a Chris Brown ticket? I know Chris Brown.

[C]

I know.

[A]

What about Drake?

[C]

See, you don't. Hey, we. Hey, you, you. You a y N right now. You a y N. And hey, we going. I'm an O. N. Hey, what's Owen stand for?

[A]

A old ninja.

[C]

Hey, listen. Hey, listen. I got you the lime green bandana to tie around your neck. I got you a leather vest.

[A]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[C]

And wear some black Air Force ones. Hey, we gonna be in there cutting up.

[A]

You hear me, man, you gotta give me. I mean, if I would go to a car. I ain't been to a concert, man.

[C]

I know.

[A]

Hey, Adele was the last concert, and she was. When she was at. Had the residency.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah. You gotta. You gotta. You gotta give me something easy, man. Damn.

[C]

Oh, this easy. He gonna. Hey, listen, let me. He gonna bring us on stage, right?

[A]

No, I don't need to be out there. Hey, I'm on. I'm on. Hey. Oh, I'm on probation for the rest of 25.

[C]

I know, but this ain't got nothing to do with that, though.

[A]

I'm saying, I just. I. I just can't. I can't be at something like that. You know what I'm saying? It gonna send. It gonna send the wrong message. My probation officer gonna get me.

[C]

What message? This message. This message is about living life. This message, turn it up. This message, having fun. It's about freedom.

[A]

The rest of 20. The rest of 25, not 26. I, I'm. You know, I. I will get back out there, but it need to be, you know. You know. Ocho, come on, work with me. Oh, yo, work with me.

[C]

I'm working with you. That's why I'll be going to the NBA YoungBoy concert.

[A]

I can't do this.

[C]

What you need, and you need to be.

[A]

Let's go.

[C]

Hey, you could come up at your shirt, then you gonna have that, the lime green bandana.

[A]

Oh, no, man, look here. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you, man. I'm just gonna be. Hey, I gotta sit there without.

[C]

Too late. I already got the charter. I already got the tickets, Ocho. I already got tickets.

[A]

I need to go somewhere. Let me go to a John Legend. Let Me go to a. A Anthony Hamilton. Let me get. Maybe, maybe I could do like a Drake or Chris Brown. Hey, I can't do no Young Boy.

[C]

I'm gonna tell you like this. Either you go to the Young boy concert with me, I'm gonna beat you up. Now you got. You got two choices. You get your ass whooped.

[A]

I think that's what I'm gonna have to take. I'm gonna have to take that one. Ocho, man, you Ocho, man, you know, right? Ocho, you know your boy, right? Now I gotta, you know.

[C]

Hey, I'm telling you, when you. Hey, listen, when you get in that atmosphere at that concert, I'm telling you, you're gonna feel like, damn, I ain't felt like this in a long time. You just, you just, you get loose, man. You just. And then, hold on, we gonna be in the way. Listen, we gonna be in the crowd and we're gonna be standing on our chairs and stuff.

[A]

No going crazy. I'm gonna have to say. I'm gonna have to say that. Hey, I got y'. All. I'm back at 26. I'm back at 26. Follow 26.

[C]

I done already told NBA YoungBoy we coming, man.

[A]

Hey, hey, Ocho, you know my motto. Follow 26. I'm a dark skinned slave. I'm outside, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yo, I'm outside, you know, that's where I'm at. Give me 26. 26. I gotta let. Hey, come on now, work with me. Chad, tell him to work with me, man.

[C]

Damn. I'm working with you. I just spent 12, 000 on these. On these tickets right in the front. Now, don't do that. I got your chart. I got you two security so nobody can't nobody bother you.

[A]

It's just not a good look for me right now. You know what I'm saying?

[C]

It's a good look.

[A]

Yeah. As a matter of fact, Ocho, as a matter of fact, the first. The first big function, I want people to see me. I don't want to be coming out of church. Maybe I go to the Potter house in Dallas. Maybe I come out. Chad, y' all need to see me come out of church. You know what?

[C]

That's what I'm doing. One thing about it, we ain't going that route. We ain't going that route. We not going that route. Acting like, you know, we. We Reverend. We Reverend Al Sharpton and all that.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I got to be. That's what they gotta do.

[C]

Yeah, we gotta turn up. We gotta stay. We gotta stay true to ourselves.

[A]

No, no, no. I can't be that no more. So I gotta change.

[C]

Stay with me.

[A]

I changed my life, Chad. I'm changing. I'm new.

[C]

Stay with me real quick. It's okay to be new, but don't forget where you came from. We come from times like that, and at some times, you got to revisit where you come from.

[A]

I gotta go back to church, Ocho. I lost my way. I lost my way. I gotta go back to church, Chad. I know y' all understand. I know y' all listen to. Oh, y' all want, you know, do something or do something. But that. But that. I had to put him up. I had to put him on the shelf.

[C]

Hey, listen. Hey. That uncle you try to put on the shelf is what made us who we are.

[A]

I know, Ocho, but we can't lose that. I reinvent myself.

[C]

If we lose that dynamic, then that doesn't make us who we are. We can't lose that aspect of what makes us us. So you can't go to Kirk Franklin route. That ain't nobody want to hear that.

[A]

Hey, as a matter of fact, Ocho. Hey, don't be surprised when y' all see me in the airport. I'm carrying my Bible. I'm just saying. I'm just saying that. That's where I'm at, Ocho. I'm just saying that's where I'm at. I'm carrying my Bible, Ocho. I'm changed.

[C]

Listen, I'm all for. I'm all for change.

[A]

As a matter of fact, I'm glad I told Jordan to come pick me up. Jordan be going to church. I told Jordan, swing by and scoop your uncle.

[C]

Hey, I'm telling you that. That ain't it.

[A]

Huh?

[C]

That ain't it. Listen, I'm with you when you write, but there's certain things you have to still remain yourself. You can. You can backslide. You backslide.

[A]

I can't.

[C]

God forgave you already. God forgave you. Whatever's for you is for you. You didn't got to do all that extra stuff.

[A]

I just. I just need to carry the Bible just. Just for a little while.

[C]

But I tell you what, you get the Bible, you got the Old Testament, New Testament.

[A]

I got the Bible, King James Version, okay? They got the Old Testament. Bibles have both Testaments got you. Listen, I've never seen a Bible with just one Testament.

[C]

I got you. Bring your King James virgin. Bring your King James Virgin. Bible October 13th to the concept. We're going to be a young boy. I tell you. I tell you that. I listen. I'm going to give you a scripture. 1 Did I go. 1 Did I go off of Philippians? Philippians 2, verse 27. For thou hath not try to live perfect. Thou shalt backslideth at some point in life. But you must stay authentic to thyself, because no man is perfect. So I'll see you October 13th.

[A]

See, I got you. See, I got my thing. I'm coming. Most gracious and holy heavenly Father, I come to thee in the most humble way I know how. Bow head, humble heart on bent knee, realizing that you God of God, Lord of lords, kings of kings. Ocho, I'm done. Ocho. Your boy out. Your boy out. I already got the Stacey Adams, Liam Fox. I got on one knee. Hey, hey. I already told him. I said, Lord, when my time is up here.

[C]

Hey, wait. Hey, boy.

[A]

You hell and my face becomes a looking glass. Just give me a place somewhere in your kingdom. That's where I'm at. Ocho, I'm done. Your boy out, champ. I'm out. I ain't fooling with Ocho, man.

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