Best of NFL Part 1: SMEAR CAMPAIGN on George Pickens, NFL Owners SCARED of player Report Cards!

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL Part 1: SMEAR CAMPAIGN on George Pickens, NFL Owners SCARED of Player Report Cards!

Release Date: February 18, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe (with guest Ocho)
Episode Focus: NFL off-season drama, franchise QB dilemmas, "smear campaign" on George Pickens, NFLPA report card controversy, most hated and loved NFL players.

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Episode Overview

This lively episode sees Shannon Sharpe and Ocho dig into the NFL's hottest off-season storylines: the precarious Steelers quarterback situation and Aaron Rodgers' possible return, rumors of a "smear campaign" against George Pickens, heated debate around the NFL's now-canceled player report cards, and a viral list ranking the league’s most hated and most loved players. Throughout, Sharpe and Ocho combine frank analysis, locker room storytelling and trademark banter—making sense of NFL politics and roster moves, while never missing an opportunity for a sharp joke or a callout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Steelers Quarterback Future: Aaron Rodgers and the NFL’s QB “Impatience” (02:08–12:24)

• Aaron Rodgers’ Return?
  Sharpe reacts to rumors that first-year coach Mike McCarthy wants his old Packers QB, Aaron Rodgers, to join the Steelers, citing familiar chemistry and the lack of viable alternatives:

  • “You know damn well he coming back because there is no answer at the position. ...Even if not the same Aaron Rodgers.” — Ocho (03:15)
  • Discussion of Steelers’ options: aging Rodgers as a short-term “bridge” versus drafting a QB.

• Problems with Rushing Young Quarterbacks:
  Both agree franchises are increasingly impatient with rookie QBs due to meteoric rises from new stars like Jaden Daniels and Drake May.

  • “They're not allowing quarterback to develop. There's so much pressure on them… owners are impatient when they don't have instant success.” — Ocho (05:31)
  • “I need this thing developed real quick. This a Polaroid. I’m gonna shake his ass.” — Joe (06:46)

• Building Around Young QBs:
  Sharpe underscores that even star rookies succeed thanks to strong rosters and strategic additions:

  • “Look at the quarterbacks you named… look at what they put around him. They got DJ Moore… Stefan Diggs. You see what they did around him.” (08:54)

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2. Super Bowl Windows & Roster Building Reality (11:34–19:20)

• Super Bowl Windows:
  NFL.com’s list of the teams with the “biggest Super Bowl windows” draws agreement thanks to their defensive robustness and QB stability.

  • “That’s not an accident that Bucky listed these teams and each one of these teams has stability at their most important position.” — Joe (17:49)

• Team-Building Trade-Offs:
  Detailed talk about which talent gets paid and kept, e.g., Seahawks’ choice between Spoon and Woolen; pecking order and financial reality of NFL roster management:

  • “Unless you’re absolutely special… there’s always a pecking order in everything.” — Ocho (19:07)

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3. George Pickens “Smear Campaign” – NFL Media Manipulation (22:08–32:29)

• The ‘Leaks’ Against Pickens:
  Cowboys reportedly fined George Pickens multiple times this season and released the information off-season—to Ocho and Sharpe, a clear attempt to diminish his market value just as contract talks loom.

  • “They purposely do stuff like this on purpose to kind of diminish your value.” — Ocho (22:26)
  • “Why are we finding out that he got fined multiple times... now?… Don’t wait till you without a job to try to take your shots at him.” — Joe (24:00)

• NFL Culture on In-House Discipline:
  Both are outraged at teams airing “family business” publicly just to shade a player during negotiations.

  • “You mean, not only did you take the fine money from me… but now you done told the public?” — Ocho (26:21)

• Performance Trumps All:
  Despite the fines, both agree if Pickens keeps producing, teams (even Jerry Jones) will forgive off-field slipups.

  • “Win or be productive. Winning and being productive cures all.” — Ocho (31:09)

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4. Most Hated NFL Players: Jalen Hurts & the Nature of NFL Hate (36:06–54:12)

• Jalen Hurts Named ‘Most Hated’
  Vegas Insider ranks Hurts as most hated; Sharpe & Ocho theorize it's due to his “winning without flash” style and stoic, buttoned-up public personality.

  • “They hate him because he wins… But even though it’s not pretty, Jalen Hurts wins all the time.” — Ocho (36:25)
  • “He doesn't win like they want him to win… You don't get more or less points for winning pretty.” — Joe (37:18)

• Locker Room Dynamics:
  Sharpe, with Ocho’s agreement, emphasizes NFL players aren’t there to be liked—respect trumps friendship in pro football, and there’s no obligation to show personality for fans or teammates.

  • “As long as you respect me, we cool. We ain't gotta be best boys.” — Joe (41:36)

• Other Hated/Loved Players (50:06–54:12):
  They riff on a list of other “most hated/loved” NFL players, questioning why certain names appear (“What did Jake Moody do?”; “Why is Cooper Rush on here?”), with Ocho particularly animated about the randomness.

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5. NFLPA Report Cards vs. Owners' “Fear” (55:34–62:24)

• NFL Owners Push Back on Player Workplace Grades:
  Discussion of the NFLPA’s annual team "report cards" (grading team facilities, amenities, etc.), which the league successfully moved to keep private.

  • “NFL won’t let actual players grade workplace… but they’ll allow a third-party grading service to display the rankings of players on national TV every Sunday night.” — Sharpe quoting JJ Watt reaction (56:29)

• Players Want Upgrades; Owners Want Profits:
  Sharpe explains why owners hate the report cards—upgrading costs money, and their aim is to minimize costs, maximize revenue.

  • “The objective is that I keep costs down while increasing revenue… If I can just keep it as is, I get to pocket more.” — Joe (58:21)

• Facilities Are Dramatically Improved (59:02–61:03):
  Ocho marvels at new NFL facilities—far superior to what was available in his own playing days.

  • “Hey, the bangle facility now… it looked like goddamn Dubai!” — Ocho (59:15)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On rushed QB development:
  • “You talk about, oh, let him develop. This a Polaroid. I’m gonna shake his ass.” — Joe (06:46)
• On ‘family business’ going public:
  • “I don’t want to be a part of no family where everything that go in the house, it get out the house.” — Ocho (27:14)
• On Jalen Hurts and perception:
  • “He's the most hated to me, obviously, because I think he wins with doing the least at his… position. But it works.” — Ocho (36:25)
• On NFL team pecking order:
  • “Unless you want them special individuals… there's always a pecking order in everything.” — Ocho (19:07)
• On NFLPA report cards being suppressed:
  • “NFL won't let actual players grade workplace they attend every single day, but they'll allow a third party grading service...” — Joe reading JJ Watt (56:29)
• On being liked in the locker room:
  • “We are supposed to have one goal…to win the championship together. That doesn't entail me having to like you.” — Ocho (41:22)

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Key Timestamps by Segment

• Aaron Rodgers-Steelers QB Future: 02:08–12:24
• Roster Building/Super Bowl Window: 11:34–19:20
• George Pickens “Smear Campaign”: 22:08–32:29
• Jalen Hurts Most Hated / NFL Hate List: 36:06–54:12
• NFLPA Report Cards & Facility Upgrades: 55:34–62:24

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Tone & Style

The episode is relaxed, candid, and irreverent—with both Sharpe and Ocho mixing personal anecdotes and deep football analysis, often joking about each other’s quirks and sharing veteran perspectives on locker room drama, front office politics, and fan culture. They do not hold back in their critiques of team management, ownership, and league hypocrisy.

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Summary for New Listeners

This Club Shay Shay episode is a must-listen for NFL fans who want insight into how real NFL players see team-building, media narratives, and the messy business of football politics. Sharpe and Ocho expose the interplay of performance, rumor, and money in today’s NFL—while keeping things relatable and fun for every football junkie. If you want to understand why George Pickens’ off-field rumors matter, how team facilities have become an arms race, and whether being “the most hated” in the NFL really matters, this episode brings expert analysis and laughs in equal measure.

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[Joe]

Favorite sports funk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're gonna make Ocho cry. The likelihood of Aaron Rodgers returning to the Steelers for the 2026 season is high according to Jeremy Fowler. First year coach Mike McCarthy said he would welcome his former quarterback back in the folds after the pair won a Super bowl with the Packers. This. There is a waiting game however that could stretch for several months similar to off last offseason. Rogers is not rushing his decision and filing reports. There is no timeline on Rogers decision. Both sides are open to a potential return. Aaron Rodgers tend to take as much time on such matters. So I don't expect a swift resolution. But head coach Mike McCarthy likes Rogers, of course, from his time in Green Bay. He's a bridge option for them. They look at hard at quarterbacks in the 2026 draft, so they certainly could draft one. Ocho, what's going on? What's really going on?

[Ocho]

Well, you know God damn well he coming back. Huh? You know damn well he coming back because there is no answer at the position. Even if not the same. Not the same Aaron Rodgers. No, McCarthy is familiar with him. They played. I mean he had him at Green Bay. What answer do you have at that position to say, you know, we can move on for Aaron Rodgers and he doesn't have to come back? I mean, will you rely on a 42. What? 43 year old quarterback?

[Joe]

I think you'd be 42.

[Ocho]

You don't have it. Yeah, you don't, you don't have a choice. You don't have a choice just to even compete in this NFL. Obviously we've seen it all, all season. You need a quarterback and sometimes age really doesn't matter depending on who it is. Matt Stafford at 37, then you have Drake May. How the hell do the goddamn patriots go from 4 and 13 to 14 and 3 the following year? It's because of the quarterback play. Obviously coaching play is a goddamn factor. But you still need a quarterback. I mean it just is what it is. Sam Darnold, look what he did in Minnesota. He goes to goddamn Seattle. Obviously there's some other pieces that matter. Obviously organizationally they won a Super Bowl. Who gives the Steelers their best chance to compete? I'm not saying win, but just compete. It would be 42, 43 year old Aaron Rodgers and it's just, just the way, the way the NFL is. It's just the way it's built, it's the way it's structured. You need a quarterback. Unless you have one, you don't have a chance. Even if he's 42 years old.

[Joe]

That's what they say. They're Looking for a bridge. They, they could certainly go draft 1 in 20, 26. I don't know. It would strike me as odd to go in the free agent market and get a quarterback when you have Aaron Rodgers, the potential of Aaron Rodgers, because the guy that comes in free agent, Ojo, he's looking to start. He ain't looking to be no bridge. He ain't looking to have, okay, Aaron Rodgers gonna start this year and then we'll put you in next year. That's not why a guy comes in free agency to your building. He's coming to be a start. He's coming with the, the, the intention, excuse me, the intention, not attention. The intentions of starting.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

So they're probably going to have to go into the market. They're going to probably have to go into the draft and draft the quarterback because I don't see a scenario where you go get one in free agency and ask him, right, to sit for a year. I don't think that, I don't think he'll be, I don't, me personally, I don't think he'll be comfortable with that.

[Ocho]

Yeah, and the funny thing about it too, the way they treat young quarterbacks right now too. We've see, we've heard Tom Brady talk about it. We hear some other players that play quarterback talk about how they're so much impatient and they're not allowing quarterback to develop. They're not allowing quarterback develop. There's so much pressure on them. They're going to bad teams and owners are impatient when they don't have instant success. And that, that's, it's unfortunate and I think they're going to continue to have those problems, especially if Aaron Rodgers doesn't come back. It's going to put them right back in, in quarterback purgatory.

[Joe]

Well, what happens is that you have Jaden Daniels in his first year, he goes to the NFC championship games. You have Drake May in the second year get all the way to the Super Bowl. You see Bo Nicks in the second year have his team in the AFC championship game. You see Caleb Williams has his team. So they just, people automatically assume, well if he did it, why can't I got do it? But you know, that's how people think.

[Ocho]

Oo yeah, but, but also look at the, look at the, look at the quarterbacks you name. Jaden Daniels ain't no slouch. He's good. He was able to do it in college. Caleb Williams was no slouch. He's really good. He was able to do it in college. So if you look at the quarterback coming out this year in the draft, I mean, do you see one in the draft this year or one in collegiate football that comes in and changes the direction of your organization? I mean, let's, let's be honest.

[Joe]

I don't. But oo, it's the same thing. People see your success and ask, why can't I have that level of success? Because they don't see what you're doing behind the scenes. So, so you don't know what type of program, what type of organization, and what type of stability that they provided for him. All you're looking at it from the outside. So you're on the outside looking in like, damn, it look like fun in there. But you don't know what it did to have that kind of fun. And, but all I see is a first year and second year quarterbacks getting to the super bowl, getting to AFC championship games, NFC championship game, getting to the division around the playoffs. But you want me to just sit here and says, okay, we got three years, huh? NFL is very impatient. They are very, very impatient. You know why, Ocho? Yeah. Because the salaries are getting astronomical and I've got to make a decision. See, I've got to make a decision. Within three years am I going to get this guy $300 million, right? So you talk about, oh, let him develop this. A Polaroid. I'm gonna shake his ass. I'm gonna do. I need this thing developed real quick. Hey, you know back in the day. Oh, Joe. When you had an Insta camera, you had to send the thing off. You take it to the drug store, they send it off. When I think it'll be, yeah, no, no, hell no. I need this right now. Let me see.

[Ocho]

Come on. Yeah, As a matter of fact, small example, small example. On organizations that have to make it happen right now if they want instant success. You got the bill around your quarterback. Tennessee. Tennessee with Cam Ward, they're going to have to continue to build and put pieces around the quarterback. Las Vegas Raiders, they got a hell of a job ahead of them. Yeah, they got a hell of a job ahead of them. Based on the way they looked last year. Knowing that they're going to draft Fernando Mendoza with the number one pick. You got to get some pieces.

[Joe]

I agree.

[Ocho]

You got to get some. And the best way to do that is for one, you got to let brother Crosby go. You got to let brother Crosby go. Because to be able to get what you need, not only offensively but defensively, you're going to need the value that he brings in a trade, you're going to need it because you're fooling yourself. And you think just bringing men, those in, all of a sudden things are going to change. That's not the way it works.

[Joe]

But if you go look at what they had or what they put around. Go look at Caleb Williams, look at what they put around him. They got DJ Moore, they drafted Coastal Lovely. They, Burton, Roman Jones, the running back. They short of the offensive line. Okay. Drake May they go get Booty was already there, but they go get a Stefan Diggs. Look at the running backs. They had Ramandre Steve, but they go get Henderson. You see what they, you see what they did around him. And I think that's, that's the way that you have to. That's the way you see what they did with cj. You get a Nico Collins, you get a running back, you get, you bring, you got to bring pieces in now. They're still there. You know, I think the Texans are going to go back into the offensive line. I saw Tank Dale working out and he's like, hey, okay, he still had. He probably still has a ways to go, but they're probably going to go get another receiver. I can, I can assure you, go get a running back because I don't know if Joe Mixon is going to come back. Ojo they listening to them talk and I could be wrong and maybe, I mean, maybe I'm reading too much into this situation. But the way they was talking, this didn't, this didn't seem good. This is not like something that, oh, we expect him to be back this, this year.

[Ocho]

Right, Right.

[Joe]

But you, like you said, you've got to put great pieces around the quarterback because there are very few quarterbacks that can really elevate a team in his first or second year. There have been a few handful of them.

[Ocho]

A handful of. But hold on. Even those quarterbacks that can elevate a team still look at what they had around them. Look at about. Look at what they had around them. You know, they just happened to be that good. And then you also had pieces around you. Like, it takes a special quarterback to go to a very bad team and elevate everybody else. That means he has to do almost everything else. Right. When nobody else is. Everybody's not as good to me, but I'm so good I can make up for all our lack, all our weaknesses. You know how difficult that is at that position.

[Joe]

But even when you go back and look at it, even though Kansas City Had Tyreek and they had Kelsey. They still brought in Samuel Watkins. Yeah, they still brought in V. That you. You see, they still kept adding pieces. They had McKinnon and they had. They. They brought. Hey, we're not satisfied. And it's like, man, we got our ass kicked in the. Against Tampa. What'd they do, rebuild the whole offensive line?

[Ocho]

Yeah, got to.

[Joe]

And they're going to redo it. They're going to reshuffle it again, and they're gonna go. They're gonna go out and get some players. Hey, they got to get better defensively, too, Ocho. They took a step back defensively.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're not the same.

[Joe]

They're not the same, but I'm not surprised. I'm not. I. The thing is that when you get. I mean, I. I take my hat off to. To these older guys, because I know as I got older, I just got tired of hearing the same verbiage. The same. And I can just imagine what it is for a quarterback. Right. I don't want to hear it no more, man. Is there any way I could just show up on Friday, practice Friday, leave Saturday, play on Sunday? I need a scenario like that. Bucky Brooks at NFL.com ranked the biggest super bowl windows heading into next season. Seahawks were 1, Rams were 2, Patriots was 3, Eagles were fur 4. Excuse me. Broncos 5, Bears 6, Jag 7. Ocho, what do you agree with? What do you disagree with? Unfortunately, your Pringles were not on there.

[Ocho]

Hold on. Bring that to me.

[Joe]

Had the biggest window heading into next season, followed by the Rams, followed by the Patriots, followed by the Eagles, followed by the Broncos, followed by the Bears, followed by the Jags.

[Ocho]

Hold. You said the biggest window now. The biggest window on what? What? Repeating and go. Or going back?

[Joe]

More window heading in the next season.

[Ocho]

Oh, you know. You know what? I. I like that list, and I like that list. I'm not even gonna base it on the quarterbacks. I'm gonna go with that list based on the defenses that they have. Based on the defenses that they have, obviously.

[Joe]

But all of them do have quarterbacks.

[Ocho]

I mean. Yeah. And that. That also. That also plays a part. But because of the defenses, I think I like that list. Obviously, Josh Allen's not listed. Lamar's not listed. Obviously, my Bangles aren't listed. And what. What are our weaknesses? What are our weaknesses? What are the weaknesses of the Bills, the defense? What are one of the weaknesses?

[Joe]

They're over the cap right now that they can. Now they can fight. They can restructure probably. Restructure. Josh. Restructure. James Cook. Yeah, Bosa. Bosa only signed a one year deal. We'll see what they do with Epanessa, Russo, some of those guys. We'll see what they do with that. Obviously, Lamar is the biggest, is the biggest question mark. Okay, what are we going to do with him?

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

Steve Bashad has made it abundantly clear he would love to have him back. But if that's not the direction that Lamar wants to go in, we'll play it out and we'll, we'll, we'll go from there. So lamar is about $70 million against the cap. They got to get better defensively, too. Oo. They got to get some receivers because I don't know what happened to Bateman this year. I don't, I don't. Oo I don't know what happened.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I mean, listen, Lamar getting his deal done this offseason. They got to get him under the cap. He can get a new deal. As far as far as defense, they need it bad. They need an edge rusher. They need someone, they need an impact player on the edge. I'm not sure who they can go get. There's so many, so many different variables and measures you can take to improve in that area. And everything starts on defense. They have to get that moniker that they always stood by or always talk about play like Raven. They look nothing like that. They look nothing like that. And on the back end, on the back end. I'm not sure Marlon Humphrey, if he's coming back, Nate Wiggins this offseason. You got, you got to come together. You got to come together. You have to be that centerpiece in that secondary along with Kyle Hamilton to lead, to lead that goddamn secondary. And they need one piece on just one on the edge. I don't know who it could be. You just need one.

[Joe]

They'll be very, they'll be very, they'll be very active. Steve is not very happy with, with missing the playoffs. He let it be known he was so displeased with that he fired the head coach. So I can't give you any clear indication that Steve was upset with how this season played out. And maybe there are, there are a lot of things. I mean, the, the running back situation, the, the team. And, and sometimes it's just best. Sometimes we just need to, we just. Ooh, sometimes your voice and her voice, y' all just tired of each other. You get with somebody else, she get with somebody else, and everybody's just so happy. Yeah, it's like that sometimes. And there's nothing wrong with that. Well, what happened? We just grew apart after 19 years. Sometimes you're not. It's hard to. I mean, you have to be willing to evolve because nobody's the same. The person that you make the very first day, I don't care if you with them for a year, I don't care if you with them for 50 years. That's not the same person a year later, 20 years later, 30 years later, 50 years later, you. They evolved. You evolved. And each party had to be willing to evolve with other party together.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And that, that's, that's, that's the hard part, obviously in a co. In a coaching standpoint is when you do evolve, you know, everything has to be in align most of the time. Everything's not in alignment when it comes to coaches and players Hear it so much, it becomes you regurgitate the same thing over and over. They tired of hearing the same message from the same voice and sometimes changing the voice is different. It's different. And so, I mean, listen, even as a Bengal, I'm hoping for the Ravens to have some sort of success and be able to compete once again and be at the top of the AFC along with, along with my team. But until they find somebody to come off that edge junk or somebody to help with that D line, they ain't.

[Joe]

Doing nothing in the second day. Like I said, I mean, you're asking your secondary to hold up for that length of time and they're just not, they're just not good enough to be able to do that. And when the guy has five, six, seven seconds, I mean, there are some like, oh, ain't nobody go. I mean, Reavis and time together wouldn't be able to hold up when the guy's just taking six, seven seconds to throw the football. But you got to have some pressures. But I, I like this. But there's no. I think about it. The Rams, their quarterback number one overall draft pick. The Bears quarterback number one overall draft pick. The Jags quarterback, number one overall draft picks. Seahawks quarterback, third pick in the draft. Patriots quarterback, third pick in the draft. Eagles quarterback. What the first. Second pick in the second round. The Broncos quarterback, a top 15 pick. It's not an accident that Bucky listed these teams and each one of these teams has stability at their most important position.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he right.

[Joe]

That's not an accident.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Obviously the Seahawks, they're gonna have to, you know, what do we do with Kenneth Walker? Can we do it with Spoon? If I'M them. I. I trade Wolin. I trade him. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna leave nothing. I'm not gonna pay. I'm not gonna pay him, Ocho. I'm not.

[Ocho]

I think he's. I think he's a restricted free agent. Huh?

[Joe]

I trade him. I got his rights. I'm trading him.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I just can't pay him because you. You can't pay both of them. You want spoon or you want.

[Ocho]

You can't.

[Joe]

You want spoon or you want woolen? I'm gonna give you a choice. Yeah.

[Ocho]

You can't keep them both. And they. They got to take care of Mr. Walker, too. Now. They got to take care.

[Joe]

What you gonna do with jsn?

[Ocho]

Oh, he. Hey, he finna break.

[Joe]

I'm just asking you.

[Ocho]

Hey, hold on. Him and Puka? Yes, him and Puka.

[Joe]

So I just need you to tell me what you gonna do. Cause you can, and. I think in order of importance for the. The Seahawks. Yeah, probably Spoon. JSN Walker. That the. At the low end.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I mean. Oh, you know how they treat. Unless. Unless you're absolutely special. Unless you want them special individuals, you know that. That's the way. That's. That's the way the cookie crumbles. There's always a pecking order in everything. Always a pecking order.

[Joe]

So hold on.

[Ocho]

Hold on. Baby. Baby. Perfect. What? Papa. Okay, can you. Can you go up there with Papa so I can hear? I can't hear. You want to stay there? Okay. Can you turn down your. Can you turn down YouTube? Let me turn this down because I can. Can you hear her? Can you hear the YouTube? Oh, you can't. Okay, okay. If you can't hear it. Okay, cool.

[Joe]

But if it's distracting you. I can't hear. We can't hear it.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay. I'm just making sure because I can hear it clear as day and it's loud. She listened to Cape. Some K pop thing, you know. You know what K pop is?

[Joe]

That South Korean group.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hold. Let me turn it down.

[Joe]

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[Joe]

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[Ocho]

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[Joe]

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[Ocho]

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[Joe]

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[Ocho]

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[Joe]

You're not going to like this Ocho the Cowboys reportedly find George Pickens multiple times this season, per Todd Archer is not necessarily the content of the report, but the timing Ocho did the cow Are the Cowboys trying to launch a smear campaign against George Pickens to try to tank his value?

[Ocho]

I mean, no, you're not gonna be able to take his value anyway, you know, regardless of what whatever fines he did have or whatever fines he received, his value is based on his production on the field. His value is based on his production on the field. In between those white lines now. Whatever whatever sanctioning bodies find them for whatever Reason maybe been being late and all that stuff, but they purposely do stuff like this on purpose they purposely do stuff like this on purpose to kind of diminish your value. Hey, if he was late and you had to find him, you know what? Let him go. Let him. Let him go and watch what happens on the open market. Let him go. You know, so what's the point of coming out with this now? They always do stuff like this. Always.

[Joe]

My thing is Ocho, why talk to me nice if he did that during the season? Why we didn't find out about it during the season?

[Ocho]

Oh, you know why?

[Joe]

I mean, we did find out one. Him and CD Was late when they was here in Vegas. They missed the bus. We found that. But why are we finding out that he got fined multiple times? And people that don't get why. I'm like, people, oh, no. You supporting Brian, you supporting LeBron? I say no. If David Griffin felt like that, he should have said that when he was there. The reason why we're getting out of the Eastern Conference, because people, y', all, when Ocho and I was going back and forth, a lot of you guys sided with Ocho, said, yeah, just tell the truth. I like when people tell the truth. So why didn't David Griffin say that then? That the reason why LeBron James is not as good as y' all believe he is. The Eastern Conference is just weak.

[Ocho]

It was weak.

[Joe]

Why didn't he say that then? Don't wait till you without a job to try to take your shots at him. That was. That was the time for you to say that. You could have said that. Say, man, look here, I know y' all like to think that what we're doing is unbelievable, but you gotta look at the conference that we're in. It's not very good. Say it, then. Be that guy if you want to be that guy.

[Ocho]

Now, you know he wasn't going to stand on business like that. He wasn't going to stand on business and say that while he's a part of that franchise by LeBron.

[Joe]

But now he wants to try to. If I want to try to diminish you, what I do. So now what LeBron. What LeBron is. Has done is not that. Because if you look at the east, well, then why didn't nobody else come out of the east if it was that weak? So there. Hold on. There's 30 teams. So there are 15 other teams. So why didn't nobody else from that stretch that LeBron was in the East? Why didn't nobody Come out of there. If they were better than. He was.

[Ocho]

Just talking, just to be talking. Just talking, just to be talking.

[Joe]

That's all. I just. I just want to know if it's not that big, if it's. If it's not that big of a deal. Ocho, he should have been able to teach him. Been able, like, you know what? Hey, LeBron ain't that. Hey, LeBron ain't like that now. But no, you realize. You know what it was. The man had eight 40 point games in one playoff run alone. Eight average 34 points a game for the entirety of the playoffs. Don't try to do me. All I'm saying is, if you want to make a point, I just believe in a situation instead of just saying, look, we had the best player on the planet, and we knew if we had guys that can make timely shots, we had a chance to be successful. There is no guarantee. But when you say, oh, the conference was weak, Even if. Even if Jerry Krause thought the Eastern Conference, he wasn't gonna say that about Mike.

[Ocho]

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And. And hold on. I. I like. I like this because this is good. You mean. Wait a minute. You want me to play for a franchise that's telling my business? Wait, hold on.

[Joe]

You told me.

[Ocho]

Hold on. Well, this. This is something that happened in house. You mean you. Not only did you take the fine money from me, you know, and allowed you to take it out my check, but now you done told the public. Yeah, you don't put. You didn't let. You didn't let what? I consider the family put our personal business out here on blast, and you want me to come take a home team?

[Joe]

Yeah, I did that.

[Ocho]

Oh, you wanna. Oh, you want. Hold on. You want a franchise?

[Joe]

Tag me.

[Ocho]

Nah, nah, nah. Y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Ocho]

Y' all got me messed up, man. I'm NFL young, boy. I tell you what. I tell you what. Let me go about my business. Let me go on by my business.

[Joe]

We ain't gonna tell nothing else. I promise. We ain't gonna put no more of your business out there, Ocho. Nah, that was just one time. That was a slip.

[Ocho]

Nah, ain't no. Ain't no slip. You let me know how. I can't.

[Joe]

I.

[Ocho]

You know what? I don't want to be. I don't want to be a part of no family where everything that go in the house, it get out the house. I can't be here. I'm good. I'm good. Oh, you trying. Y' all trying to make me look Bad. Y' all trying to embarrass me in public. Okay, I see what it is.

[Joe]

Were you not excited to get to work? I was excited to go to work. Ocho.

[Ocho]

It's different. It's different though. I lived in the damn state.

[Joe]

But you lived there for the first three years you played. Okay, you played the first two years. What about the other eight years?

[Ocho]

Hey, I would try to be the first one there so I can get to the stereo system.

[Joe]

Bad. Damn that stereo system. I was getting there. I wouldn't have no specialties. Hey, I remember I had Frank, my special teams coach. I had like with hands team. We had Rich Smith, we had Frank Bush, we call it brother Banes. I was like, man, look, here we go over that on the field.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

To come and be there for five minutes and then they talk about, okay, if you on the hands team, you could leave. We go over that on the field.

[Ocho]

Hey, but, but, but, but, but, but. All jokes aside, I, I, I don't like it. I don't like it. You have a 53 man roster. You have one of your better players that had somewhat of a good season who's had slip ups in the past. He's had issues in the past, whether it be on the field or off the field. And the fact that he's on a new team, had an exceptional year, had an exceptional year this year. Obviously he's looking to get paid based on his production and the fact that something like this comes out purposely on purpose to diminish his value. Again, I don't think he can diminish his value anywhere else, especially if he's able to get, get in onto that market. I'm sure maybe if the, the, the, the, the, the Cowboys, you know, did what was best for them. They, they, they let him go and get some pieces and get some, some, some, some other things that they need because there, there other questions that need answers on the defensive end. Instead of having everything front loaded offensively and not being able to stop anybody. That ain't gonna get you nowhere. I mean it's unfortunate. I promise you he wouldn't have any slip ups. He had one. You know, and, and, and one, one is good. One is good for a player that's improving, that's working on himself.

[Joe]

That a, what this thing said, this thing said he had multiple. You do realize multiple is more than one.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, he, he would, he would just late. He would just late. You know, you know the red light catches some time, huh? You know the red, you know how them red Lights.

[Joe]

Is this man here? Chad. Y' all hear this man?

[Ocho]

Hey, you know.

[Joe]

You know how long the blue light don't catch you? You okay?

[Ocho]

Yeah. That's it. That's it. That's it. But, hell, hey, this. Hey, if. If I'm Day. If I'm David Mulatta, I like the fact that. I like the fact. See, I can't even trust this organization right by my player. This is someone that. That you. Oh, we can't even trust you in house. How you let this get out the house? Nah, man, I ain't. I don't want nothing to do with this, man. Go ahead. Let me get my walking papers. Don't worry about it. We good.

[Joe]

Ain't gonna happen.

[Ocho]

Why? You know why it's not gonna happen? Because you understand the value for sure. You understand how good he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

And the thing is, Jerry probably gave him that money back. Because that's the one thing about Jerry. If you play well, Jerry ain't looking at Jerry like he. Jerry like to party him damn self. Now, he really got a little old now. He can't party like he once could. But Jerry like to have a good time his damn self. So Jerry ain't gonna hold that against you. If you go out there and ball.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey. That's all he care about.

[Joe]

The man just saying. Playmaker. He got a gold jacket called a playmaker. Did anybody go harder than Mike? And he my dog.

[Ocho]

Come on, now.

[Joe]

So Jerry don't cut no.

[Ocho]

Hey, I'm picking up what you're putting down.

[Joe]

If. If you handle your business on the field.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

All is forgiven with Jerry.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, wait, listen. Winning, winning and being productive cures all. Winning and being productive. You can't win. At least be productive now that both of them can't. Can't be horrible. You can't be losing and not productive.

[Joe]

Correct.

[Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

Ocho. There's another one. Production intolerance. When production is high. So it's tolerance.

[Ocho]

Hey, you say it all the time.

[Joe]

And you saw what George Pickens did. He was second team all pro. Could have easily been first team all pro. So if you missed meetings. Being late to meetings or late to practice or late to whatever. Mr. Bus. Oh, man, we left a little early anyway. I'm telling you, but. Pig. Get your money, man.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Don't let them people play with you. Money. Get your money.

[Ocho]

Raiders, huh? Now, I would just. I was just scheming Raiders, that's all.

[Joe]

Oh, Joe, I can see. Go ahead.

[Ocho]

Now, I was just saying I can see it now when you're landing in Vegas, huh? Hey, Joel A. Pickens, listen to me. When you land in Vegas, right? And as you landing on the spear, you can see a picture of George Pickens on the spear. That's how they gonna have it when he come in. When he come in. When he, when he signed with the Raiders.

[Joe]

You might be right.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Okay, go ahead.

[Joe]

Go ahead, Ocho. Jared Jones became a Hall of famer in 2017, but he says it never would have happened without the presence of one key player. Jerry said, I have a gold jacket. I wouldn't have the gold jacket had Michael Irvin not played for the Cowboys, in a manner of speaking, to be involved and be around winning mentality or that winning physicality. When Michael says it, I listen.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, I like, I like Jerry giving Mike praise, you know, for him getting his gold jacket. But hell, if Mike didn't play there, he still would have got that gold jacket.

[Joe]

Regardless, Jerry, Michael. Michael was a heartbeat. He was the heartbeat of that team that Michael was. And it, it's, it's, it's very, it's not very often that the leader of your team was a wide receiver, but playmaker was it. He was, he was the heartbeat of that. You see him on the sideline. It's Michael that's getting, Paul's getting in everybody's ass. It's Mike. I mean, Troy. Where every once in a while. But normally it was Mike, right? Do your damn job right.

[Ocho]

But this one, she over here. Knocked out. Can you see her? Hold on.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Papa.

[Joe]

You know, it wasn't gonna be long.

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[Joe]

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[Ocho]

A clear path and a team that you can absolutely trust.

[Joe]

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[Ocho]

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[Joe]

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[Ocho]

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[Joe]

Jalen Hurts has been voted the most hated player in the NFL on data analysis by website Vegas Insider. Hurts got a hate score of 10, the highest in the league and the strongest negative fan reaction. Ocho, why do you think Hurts is the most hated player across the league?

[Ocho]

I think Hurst is the most hated player across the league because he wins. Huh? He's been winning. He's been winning since Alabama. He came to Philly and he's been a winner since he's gotten there. They don't like the way he do things, but he only does what they ask of him and the results and what they ask of him. Even though it's not pretty, even though it's not aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Jalen Hurts wins all the time. Now obviously players, those that play the game will continue to nitpick at what he's not able to do. Obviously last season, everything coming to a head because the things that everybody complains about, see, this is why we're not winning right now because he can't do X, Y and Z. But still he is the most hated to me, obviously, because I think he wins with doing the least at his, you know, current position. But it was. It works. It works for them. It has worked. And just last season, it just didn't.

[Joe]

People talk about, what's the context? I hate you, Ocho. What context? I don't need no damn context.

[Ocho]

You just. Just hate me for no reason.

[Joe]

What's the context? He's the most hated player, and I think a lot of it has to do Ocho. He wins. But it's not. Like you said, it's not aesthetically pleasing. He doesn't win like they want him to win or how they envision he should be winning. They look at how Lamar or Josh Allen or this guy. That guy wins. Well, he ain't winning like that. The objective is to win. You don't get more or less points for winning pretty. And I think that. And I think that's what, you know, some people. Everybody, like, everybody can't. Can't win like Peyton Manning, can't win like Tom Brady. Some people have to do it a different way, and that's okay. But what. How's it my fault? But it's my fault.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Oh, he's your. Hold on. Let me tell. Let me tell you the people whose fault it is. On why people hate Jalen Hurts, for one. We're gonna go with Cam New. We're gonna go with you, too. Let me see. Who else? Did Shady say anything? I'm not sure if Shady.

[Joe]

I think Shady supports it. Yeah, Shady. Normally shady. You know, you normally rock with your. You rock with your squad.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean. I mean that.

[Joe]

You.

[Ocho]

You. I mean, you. You. You heavy on him, Cam. Heavy on him, Cam.

[Joe]

People don't like the tush push.

[Ocho]

Look, I mean, my quarterback. My quarterback squat, 600 pounds. That's on you. You gotta stop.

[Joe]

I think the thing is, Ocho, his interviews, I mean, we don't get a chance to see his personality. I'm sure the guy that we see in front of the camera is not the guy that he is in the locker room. And people like to see personality. I think that's why people. People and. And Peyton didn't show a whole lot of personality until Peyton retired. Brady. You know, people talked about Brady's sense of humor and things like that, but he didn't really show it. He was really butting up. So I think we're holding Jalen hurts or. I'm not holding it to him. He is what he is. I don't. It's not. I'm not casting me in a movie or. Or commercial, anything, so it really doesn't matter to me, but I think the thing is, is that people really do want to, like, is he really this buttoned up? Is he really just this matter of fact. And no, he's not excited. Like, hey, yeah, I'm happy. But, you know, it's on to the next. You're not even gonna give yourself. You're not gonna give yourself an opportunity to celebrate the Super Bowl. You're not gonna give yourself an opportunity. And I. I think. I think. I think that has something to do with it. I do.

[Ocho]

Yeah, a little bit. But on. You gotta understand, especially the quarterback position, you have to carry yourself a certain way. I think Jalen Hurst goes to the extreme with it when it comes to being buttoned up, when it comes to. Strictly about business, obviously, Hurst comments. After winning the super bowl, right back to business. Right back to work. But off camera, these individuals are nothing like that. Tom Brady, nothing like that. Peyton Manning, nothing like that. Until you're able to see them outside of that environment, outside of having to be the franchise quarterback in the leader of said team, you'll. You'll never know him. And that's one of the things that I actually hate that people. Now, obviously, when I was playing, I'm like, well, damn. Seeing Tom here, being on the same team with him, he's nothing like what I saw on camera. Seeing Peyton Manning at the Pro Bowl. Yeah, wait a minute. This ain't nothing like, dude, I see that answers everything. Like a goddamn presidential candidate in front of the camera. No, it's.

[Joe]

It's.

[Ocho]

I. I just hate that people can't be themselves. You were yourself, but you were a tight end. You put the camera in front of me. The same person you see on Nightcap, the same person you saw on the video.

[Joe]

We were.

[Ocho]

Man, could you imagine?

[Joe]

My mind won't let me. Shady did say people in the locker room don't like Jalen Hurts. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm sure, I mean, hey.

[Ocho]

You, hey, you not there to be liked. We. I am not. I'm not part of this team. For me to come here every day with you for six months out the year for you to like me.

[Joe]

I agree.

[Ocho]

We are supposed to have one goal in mind when we walk in this building. That's to win the championship together. And that doesn't entail me having to like you. Yeah, it doesn't.

[Joe]

I agree.

[Ocho]

It doesn't.

[Joe]

Liking me. As long as you respect me, we cool. We ain't gotta be best boys. I'm not coming to your house. You not coming to my house.

[Ocho]

You're coming to My house.

[Joe]

Hey, we cool?

[Ocho]

Hey, we not hanging out together?

[Joe]

Nope. He's married. He seems to be happy in this situation. He seems to be a loner. He seems to be about, hey, I'm here to do a job, the best job I possibly can, and I'm going home to my. Going home to my wife. That's. That's where I am. And I don't.

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[Joe]

I don't begrudge that. I just think sometimes you do, as a teammate, have to get outside your comfort zone. Cause y' all were like, hey, boy, what y' all doing tonight, man? We going to the Moose. So we go. All right, I'm going. Yeah, man. What y'. All. What y' all doing, man? We played. We shooting dice. How you play? We explain it to him. Okay, I'm in.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Sometimes there's a quarterback, Ocho, to make because you already put on a pedestal. Whether you like it or not, whether you ask for or not, the last thing that you want the team to think. Oh, he really.

[Ocho]

You bigger than everybody else.

[Joe]

Yeah, he better than us.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Sometimes you just like, hey, hey, guy. Hey. Sometimes, Ocho, you have to. Hey, you throw a dinner. Yeah, sometimes. Hey, he probably don't gamble or anything like that, but, hey, y' all got a. A poppy shop machine or a shoot pool? Hey, sometimes you just gotta. Sometimes you gotta let your hair down. And. I know.

[Ocho]

I know.

[Joe]

Hey, but I shouldn't have to. But it's a different environment. Yeah. Yeah, some. Sometimes, Ocho, when you. When you the head of a company, you gotta. You gotta take. You gotta take them out to dinner.

[Ocho]

Mm.

[Joe]

That's just the way it works sometimes. Why you looking at me? Ash? Yeah, and let Ash order all the bull job that she won't. Yeah. Especially steakhouses, because you already know. Oh. Oh, y' all got skirt. Oh. What. What comes on this salad? What'd you get? Well, you didn't get filet. You got a ribeye. Oh, you normally get some bull job, too. And the calamari. Who got the calamari? I didn't eat. Not one piece. All I know is I. I ordered it and didn't eat none of it. But I did see somebody. Little. Little fingers. Keep with that fork. That spoon. Just keep. That was you. No, I'm talking about the color bar that came out first. But look, everybody gonna be like, no, Joe, you can't make everybody happy, nor should you attempt to.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I mean, but listen, some. Some people have energy. This kind of energy where you can't help but like sometimes some no matter what, you know, so. Yeah, hey, if you can find Chad, if you can find somebody that don't like me, genuinely that don't like me, I. I pay you a 5,900.

[Joe]

Well, damn well, I don't like your ass. You won't be 5,900. So there you go.

[Ocho]

I think. You know, it. It. Regardless of error, regardless whether it's my error, whether it's the current error, whether the era before mine, everyone genuinely likes me. Now, they might not agree with the way, you know, the way I played or some of the answers that I did, but there's. There's no way. There is no absolute way that anybody that dislikes me. If there's anyone that dislikes me, it's something wrong with you. It got to be something wrong. It got to be something wrong with you. And we need to get you help. Chad, I'm sure, Chad, you can agree.

[Joe]

Yeah, I 1000% agree. Yeah, you. Look, everybody's not going to be, you know, for whatever reasons, I tried to be amenable to everybody. I tried to joke with everybody, have, you know, but I took. I took winning serious. I took practice serious. I took meeting serious. I ain't want to see you sleeping. I ain't want to see you bull driving around because you know that could cost us a game. I mean, we only had 16 of those things. And you bull driving around and you. You not taking it serious. That. That probably rubbed me the wrong way and maybe that rubbed some of my teammates the wrong way because I. Well, obviously you see how I am now, so you could just imagine.

[Ocho]

Imagine back then. Hey, hey, you would. Hey. But you would have been mad at me if I was your teammate. What? Hey youy would have been cussing me out. I could. I can see you now. O. What you got for us today? What you got for us today? If you sco boy, I would.

[Joe]

No, you ain't getting no pill today. I'm cool with that. As long as you took practice serious. Like, we out there, we trying to get better. Cause I ain't out here for my help. It's cold or it's hot or whatever it be. That and everybody, every day, even though I try to put on a brave face, there are sometimes I was dealing with stuff that, you know, you just got, you know, you just gotta get through. But that. That was. That was my. That was my own thing. I don't. I don't care. I don't care. You married? You got kids? I don't care. About none of that. I don't care about your girlfriend. I don't care. I don't care about none of that. Would leave that at home when you come here, right? We come in here to get better. And when you go back home, you better be able to compartmentalize. When you take your ass back home, you have to deal with Mama then.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But when you hear, yeah, separate.

[Ocho]

Got to be able to separate the two.

[Joe]

Who? Man, y step y' all full of job. I didn't have no. Jordan, did I eat the cup? Yes, you did. I got. What? I picked up one piece.

[Ocho]

What.

[Joe]

What happened to the rest of the plate now?

[Ocho]

I don't know what y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Ocho]

What. Y' all went to dinner. Where y' all went?

[Joe]

Some steakhouse right down the street. Oh, y' all got money? Say, well, damn. Yeah, you on the plane, though. You didn't get in till late.

[Ocho]

Hey, you order. You ordered. You ordered the wagon.

[Joe]

N. I ain't. I let Ash tell you. What happened to my steak?

[Ocho]

It was burnt. They burned it.

[Joe]

It was cooked perfect. But somebody ate it.

[Ocho]

I hope you ain't.

[Joe]

I had like, two. I had, like, two bites. Did you forget that part?

[Ocho]

You sent it back.

[Joe]

Somebody ate my steak.

[Ocho]

Hey, you ain't sending back.

[Joe]

No, I ain't send it back. I did.

[Ocho]

Oh, I was gonna say. Hey, hey, hey. Can I. I know. Listen, I hate going to dinner with people who like.

[Joe]

We'll see it back if you eff it up. I'm sending it back. Yes.

[Ocho]

Oh, hell, no. Come on. Don't tell me you want to be. Nah, man, I don't like that, man. I. I feel bad from a waitress. I feel bad for my waitress. I hate them having to run back and forth. There are people in the world starving.

[Joe]

Okay. You know, if they don't, they ain't paying directly, right?

[Ocho]

Still eating?

[Joe]

No, I ain't eating it. Hell, no.

[Ocho]

No. I ain't saying I don't send them back. I don't like that.

[Joe]

100, 150, 200, 300 for a state, right? It better be kissed. It's better be Delicioso.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey. Hey. I hate. Hey, I don't mean to tell him a personal business, boy. I. I left. I left a chick at a restaurant one time like that, man, if you send your food back and if you don't. I hate not only when you send your food back, but when you talk to waiters anyway.

[Joe]

I don't talk to her, man.

[Ocho]

I mean, I left her there. Oh, you just gonna leave you not Gonna pay. I ain't paying, man. I'm good, man.

[Joe]

All the time. Cause I want a dry plate. Cause you know how they put the gravy on the. Had the juice on the plate. Oh, they gotta sit down. Back. I want a dry plate.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay, okay. Damn.

[Joe]

Yeah, I'm sitting it back. It needs to be cooked. Like, I. Like I ordered it. I ordered it medium. Yeah, don't bring it to me. Well, whoa, whoa.

[Ocho]

Medium. You don't get it medium.

[Joe]

Well, get it medium.

[Ocho]

No, that's too much pink on the inside.

[Joe]

Just right. Just the right amount of pink. She don't say.

[Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

Ashton will ask, like, oh, rare.

[Ocho]

Rare.

[Joe]

Rare.

[Ocho]

Who eat their food? No, no, come on now. Don't nobody know steak. No, she just playing. She playing.

[Joe]

She get a medium rare.

[Ocho]

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[Joe]

That's still too much for me. Sometimes. Sometimes you get medium plus.

[Ocho]

What that mean?

[Joe]

I tell you in a minute. Ocho. Here's the list back to the NFL most hated players. Here's the full list from Vegas insiders. Can you see it?

[Ocho]

No, I can't if asking. Just text that to me so I can really chime in on this. I like this. I want to see who's hated.

[Joe]

Josh Allen, he number 17 for the most hated, but he's number one for most loved. Kenneth Gantt is number two for most love. Cam Ward, number three, Bo Nicks, number four. Ty Robinson is number five. Jaden Daniels. Six. Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones is number five most hated, but he's the seventh most loved. Russell Wilson's number eight, most loved. Justin Field, number nine, Aaron Rodgers, number 10, Sam Darn. Baker Mayfield. Trevor. I don't know who put this head on Trevor Lawrence, but this ain't Trevor Lawrence.

[Ocho]

Okay, I got. I got. I got. I got the list in front of me. And most hated, obviously, being Jalen hurts. Jake Moody. How in the hell did Jake Moody. How is he the most. Who the hell voted on this?

[Joe]

Don't start me. The line.

[Ocho]

I mean, listen, I can understand Luther Burton. Luther Burden has had some issues, you know, some issues, obviously, on social media, a lot of people going back and forth. Hey, Unc, no disrespect, but people hate Cole Strange, bro.

[Joe]

I'm thinking he a tight end, right? Ain't he a tight end from. From Jacksonville? He from Jacksonville or Miami?

[Ocho]

I see Miami. Deshaun Watson. I mean, we. We understand.

[Joe]

Oh, he's a guard.

[Ocho]

Tyreek Stevenson.

[Joe]

Okay, man. I'm trying to figure out how these offensive linemen and some of these players.

[Ocho]

Like like, bro, you know, some of this really doesn't make sense to me. Most of the time, players that are hated are those that are always at the forefront or those that are very active. So. So this is. This is confusing me. We see Justin Fields on here, we can kind of understand why people hate Justin Fields. Obviously dread the jets not having any success. Anthony Richardson, the ups and downs and that he's had in his career, we can get it. Shemar Stewart, we can see Bengals fans being upset at him. I can understand why he made this list. Aaron Rodgers, I mean, he rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Obviously. Either you like him or you don't. There's really no in between with him. Zach Wilson. Who doesn't like Zach Wilson? I love Zach Wilson.

[Joe]

What?

[Ocho]

Anybody that doesn't like Wilson. Is something wrong with you?

[Joe]

He'll not play.

[Ocho]

Again. Exactly. Why do people not like Zach Wilson?

[Joe]

Cooper Rush.

[Ocho]

What? All right, I see Joe Burrow on this list. I think people don't like Joe Burrow because. I mean. I mean, for obvious reasons. I mean, Joe Burrow, he has a supermodel as a girlfriend. I mean, he looks like a damn supermodel his damn self. And he's the quarterback of the best team with the best dual threat of Robinson. And I understand why they hate him. Yeah, this. This is a cool list. Hold on. Why is. Why the hell is Cooper Rush on here?

[Joe]

Tell me. So we both know why Josh Allen.

[Ocho]

All the way at 17. Why is Miles Garrett on the most hated list? What is there to hate? Unless you're a Steelers. A Steelers fan, and you're still holding what happened with him between him and Mason Rudolph against him. That's pretty much it. And Cam Ward. What the hell did Cam Ward do? What did Ken Moore do to be on the list of most hated?

[Joe]

Number three for most loved.

[Ocho]

Yeah, this. This. This app makes absolutely no sense.

[Joe]

Look at Josh Allen. He number one for most love. Kenneth Grant.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I. I don't know. I don't know who made this. Hey, who the hell is it? That ain't Trevor Lawrence. Who is that with the dreads?

[Joe]

Don't. Don't start.

[Ocho]

They got Travis Hutton. Oh.

[Joe]

And that ain't Travis Hunter either. Oh, it is. Yeah, it is. It is.

[Ocho]

Yes. Yeah. Hey, that. That. That list is weird. It's kind of weird. You kind of understand why some people hate certain people. Obviously, Jalen hurts. He get his. His hate is. Is.

[Announcer]

Is.

[Ocho]

Is. Is well renowned because people do it publicly, whether. Whether it's players, whether it's analysts, whether it's pundits and whether it's fans. But, but some of the people on here, it just, it, it makes no sense.

[Joe]

No.

[Ocho]

What the hell did Josh Moody do? What did Jake Moody do? Excuse me?

[Joe]

I mean, Rashawn Slater got hurt. Why you hating him? The man got hurt.

[Ocho]

Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones barely even talks. I barely heard him. I barely hear him talk. All he does is he leaves New York, he goes to goddamn Indianapolis and changes the trajectory of that franchise until he got hurt. I don't know. It's a confusing list.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Jake Moody was the guy that kept missing those, he missed those kicks for the 49ers. Remember, they released it because he, he was hooking. He was, he was kicking issue in the San Francisco Bay.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay, so. So it's, it's the 49er fans that, that, that hate him then, obviously.

[Joe]

Okay, I'm assuming everybody, it's the fans that voted on this. You know, they didn't get no team vote.

[Ocho]

Oh, that's messed up.

[Joe]

As report cards have a long fixture of the offseason, with teens being assigned letter grades on various amenities and organization aspects each year by the players union. However, the league's memo released Friday, the NFL announced it won a grievance against the NFLPA regarding report cards, with an arbitrator determining that the reports violated the collective bargaining agreement. Moving forward, the report cards as we know them have been stopped, as have public release of the NFL PA's grades. NFLPA later announced in a statement that they will continue to do the report cards with the players, but they'll keep those results away from the public. J.J. white responded, hold on. NFL won't let actual players grade workplace they attend every single day, but they'll allow a third party grading service to display the rankings of players on national television every Sunday night. Cam Jordan, NFL is upset teams have been graded, judged and coerced to update the facilities, training staff, weight rooms, Necessity to keep the modern athlete top tier. Alvin Camara Cam, I think you need to tell everybody how you really feel. Cam Jordan also said one third of the time I get upset at the NFL and remind myself a majority of the players accepted or didn't vote during the last CBA after we had a resounding no vote in a preliminary polling with the NFL PA shaking my head. Oh, yeah, talk to me. I agree. So I don't know how much the PFF pay to be able to grade the players.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

That's a third party. That's grading players. And some teams look at that grade say that's the 25th rated guard. That's the 112th rated safety. That's all fine and good, but players saying, you know what? We need our weight room upgraded. The training staff is subpar, and you know what? The. The. The. The waiting area where the family is, it's a little small, and it's really not conducive.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

That's a problem. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Ocho]

I mean, listen, you're right. You're right. They're having a third party do it. Not the players do it. Obviously, the owners don't really want that, because obviously, you know, the players are going to always have an issue. They're always going to have something to say about something in general where it doesn't see fit or conducive to them. But you got to think about how the owners think. Listen, we pay you millions of dollars. We're doing as much as we can to. To. To appease you guys and give you the. The best amenities so you guys can compete on Sundays. But I think as players, I don't think they would ever, ever really, really be happy. So they will always find something wrong or something that can be fixed or something that can be done to improve whatever the situation may be. But owners don't want to do that. They definitely don't want to do that.

[Joe]

No, because if. If I have to upgrade something, Ocho, what would that cost? More money? The. The objective is, is that I keep costs down while increasing revenue. So if I have to upgrade my weight facility, if I have to hire more staff, if I have to do this. This waiting area, that's gonna cost money. Yeah. Now, if I could just keep it as is, and as the salary cap goes up, the. The. The. The TV revenue goes up, I get to pocket more.

[Ocho]

I get the pocket more. Hey, hey, when the last. Have you seen the Denver Broncos facility lately?

[Joe]

Yep.

[Ocho]

Hey, the bangle. Hey, the bangle facility. Now locker room and amenities and training room. As opposed to when I was playing uncle boy, look, it looked like goddamn Dubai.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Jesus Christ.

[Joe]

Ridiculous.

[Ocho]

Hey, I ain't never seen nothing like that. They got red light sauna and.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

What the hell is all this?

[Joe]

Hey, got charging ports for all your mobile devices and all. Yes, yes.

[Ocho]

Unbelievable.

[Joe]

Hey, Uncle Ojo, when I was playing here for the Hogs, we practiced in the. In the arena we played in. Boy, they got a whole big boy practice facility. Oh, yeah, Y' all got that thing out there by. By Emory facility. Big boy facility out there.

[Ocho]

It nice.

[Joe]

I've seen it. Yeah, it's really. That really, really nice. Yeah, they just spent. They just spent.

[Ocho]

Ooh.

[Joe]

They spent a lot of money, Ocho. Yeah, there's a lot, a lot, a lot of money. I have to take you by the. Talking about the wealthiest owner, NFL owner. Who? Rob Walton.

[Ocho]

Oh, Mr. Walton. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, obviously he got the money. He got the money to be able to do that. Hey, Joe, you gonna take me out there, Joe?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, I'll take. I'll take you out there, man. Let's see the facility. Matter of fact, they'll let me in. Yeah, okay. Yeah, they'll let you in.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, who the Hawks best player right now?

[Joe]

Yeah, Jalen Johnson. Jalen Johnson. He made the All Star game.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, I'm gonna be in his ear, Ocho.

[Joe]

Y' all did get an A for locker room.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, that locker room is unbelievable.

[Joe]

Oh, they really came out with these grades, Uncle Ojo. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Joe]

So who had the word? Who had one of the worst grades or who had a. The Cardinals, the commanders. What they had browns. I'm saying, what was they? Grade minus for locker room.

[Ocho]

Hey, the Bangles locker room, Joe boy. Hey, all the lockers light up. They got. Oh, man. Oh, it's unbelievable. Unbelievable. Hey, tell Jalen Johnson, man, I want to see him when I come to Atlanta, too.

[Joe]

Joe, what you want to see about.

[Ocho]

Just a little one on one to five.

[Joe]

Now? You gotta play me first, Joe.

[Ocho]

You can't do nothing with me, Joe. You sound somewhere.

[Joe]

You gotta play me first. Don't worry about Jay, Joe.

[Ocho]

You can't do nothing with me, Joe. I'm telling you now, I didn't been nice all this time. You gonna wake up. You're gonna wake up another animal, Joe. Like I really do this, Joe.

[Joe]

I know how to deal with you.

[Ocho]

I'm on that type of time, Joe.

[Joe]

That's okay.

[Ocho]

All right? I'm telling you, okay. You think they. They call you ISO? It's gonna be. It's gonna be a different story. You're gonna be calling for help. Okay, chill, Joe.

[Joe]

Okay. March in March what? April.

[Ocho]

April.

[Joe]

April. You ready to go in? April, Joe. What? No holds bars on this, boy. Hey, hey, respect is earned. It ain't given. I understand that. You know what I mean? Yeah, I understand that. That's why when I show up, I show up, right? I show up, correct? Yeah, yeah, but. But the thing is, is that look, and plus, if you get the ownership, the Jeff's got a. The Jeff's got a F for ownership, And so. But you. But, you know. But, you know, you all, everybody. I'm sure every owner think their facility is top notch. They just do. I don't think. I don't think. I don't think every dog that's never praised his own pond.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Joe]

I don't think every owner. They do. They think that even though we know that's not the case, because Ocho Joe the Frog gonna praise his own. We got the bluest waters. We got the best fishing. We got the greenest. We got the best lilies right everywhere, bro. This. This clay hole you got is muddy as mug. And you ain't got no. You ain't got double mud fish swimming in it. Anyway. And so the thing is, like I said, if I can get by skimping, knowing how much The TV revenue that we're generating, knowing how much in. In regional revenue we're generating. We ain't sold no tickets yet, Ocho. Yeah, we ain't sold no parking. We ain't sold no concession.

[Ocho]

No hot dogs. Yep. Not yet.

[Joe]

Wait. Hot dog. You know, Atlanta, they give you that stuff. You get to get stuff free, Ocho. You buy, you get, like, hot dogs, and you get stuff, and then you go get refills and food for free refills. Hey, man, when last time you been to a game, a house game? Honestly? Ooh.

[Ocho]

I ain't never been to a hump game. Hey, hey, Boosie, really?

[Joe]

You know, I used to go, Ocho, this thing be like the club, man. They done upgraded this arena, man. Y' all gotta come check it out, bro. For real. You heard me, Joe, What'd you say?

[Ocho]

Hey, Boosie really be out there cutting up on the courtside like that?

[Joe]

Well, Boosie be over there acting a fool swag surfing and everything. Yeah, it's a different vibe now. Everybody. Every arena ain't like that. Just like every reason. Ain't the Mercedes Benz on. They get crunk. Nah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Ocho. Yeah. They. They come dressed. They come like they going to the club, partner. You hear me?

[Ocho]

Oh, so. Oh, so. Oh, Joe, when we go to the game, we gotta. We gotta be on point.

[Joe]

Oh, man, Ocho, they don't be playing.

[Ocho]

I'mma wear these pants because I know anybody gonna have these joke.

[Joe]

What pants? What?

[Ocho]

My cheetah pants.

[Joe]

I sure hope you don't wear them. I sure hope you don't wear them no more.

[Ocho]

Oh, you don't like. You don't like. You don't like. You don't like my pants.

[Joe]

You don't got your 45 out of them?

[Ocho]

They cost 20. 25.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. You don't got your money worth out of them.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe, you shot. Hey, you shop on. She in.

[Joe]

Brian was just gonna say you shop on Sheen.

[Ocho]

She in.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. My girls over here, they shop on Sheen. Hey, I throw me an outfit in OR two on.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that.

[Joe]

That.

[Ocho]

That's what he's from, too, bro.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, I let him get a cart. You know, Sheen, everything so dirt cheap, so if they spend 500, boy, they got a gang of clothes. Hey, make sure y' all put. Make sure y' all put. Make sure y' all put your boy a couple outfits in there for me now. Bad. Hey, nah, I. I only shop there, Shelly. It ain't really got me nothing over there. I just. Hey, all I know is I get a box, show up, I try stuff on. She come out here, she said what I like, I keep. I haven't been to a store. I can't remember last time I've been to an actual store to actually try something on in the store. Right? It's probably been seven, eight years, nine years, probably. Damn. At cvs, it matters that we're not just in your community, but that we're part of it. It matters that we're here for you when you need us, day or night. And we want everyone to feel welcomed and rewarded. It matters that CVS is here to.

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[Joe]

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We can't wait to meet you.

[Joe]

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