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Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
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By Liberty Mutual Insurance Co. Affiliates excludes Massachusetts despite the Raiders losing to the Bears 25:24 Aston Genti had his best game after bringing back his iconic Mike Myers stance, it seems his head coach, Pete Carroll, loved it. Since House High School, Genty had stood straight up with his hands by his side in the backfield before the snap. However, during the Raiders offseason, the coaching staff demanded Genti switch to a traditional running back stance. Chip Kelly being the main advocate for Genty to change it. Bent knee game during his first three games, Genty struggled to get going. He averaged 3.1 yards of carry on 47 carries. Three since changing backs to that stance yesterday, he recorded 155 total yards, 138 of those on the ground. Three touchdowns, two receiving, one rushing. After the game, Genty said, that's how I naturally feel. Good standing in the backfield. So that's how I'm going to play. Ojo We've heard a lot of players that's played under Jip Kelly in the NFL like hey, it's like his way. I'm trying to figure out what does that stance have to do with your coaching style. It's all about control with him. It's all about control with him. That man's been standing like there. It's kind of like a quarterback Ocho that's taken and Johnny talked about it say he only took about six snaps. His whole career prior to getting to the NFL under center, this man has been playing like this. You took him as a top 10 pick in the draft and now you get it and now you want to change everything about it. Why?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
I mean the whole point of you drafting that high is based on everything he does, not not the production. But why change what makes him comfortable? That's like you drafting receiver very high and trying to change him on how he stands. Like what? What are we doing coaching? That's it.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Let him.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Let him do what he does. He's not giving you any indication in which way he's going by standing straight up.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
None.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
That's what he like. That's his style.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
And plus Ocho the man Ocho, you put him in a conventional stand. How the hell he gonna see. You might as well put him in the down stance. He already five, six. Hell, you put him in, now he five, two.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Let the man stand up so he could just scan the field. And I think he wears a shield, so it's not like you can see his eyes and see where he's going. Yeah, I mean, it's all about control with him, man. That, that. That stance wasn't bothering anybody.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Nobody at all. At all. Just. Just to say, just to have your imprint on something.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Oh, the coach. And like I said, Pete Carroll should have said, hey, Pete should have went to Chip, said, nah, Chip, we're gonna leave that stance just like it is.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
No, yeah, yeah. I'm. I'm glad. I'm glad he went back to doing what he liked. And it's funny, soon as he goes back to doing what he like, he has a game like he did, even though they did. Even though they did lose.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Right. But that's it. Look, if that's what's gonna make him comfortable, Ocho, running out of that stance. Most of the time, a coaches are very superstitious. If you need a special meal, if you need something, they make sure you have that, right?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah, absolutely.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
They're going to make sure you have that. That man's. That stance rushed for over 2,000 yards, what, 2,500, 2,600 yards last year, and now all of a sudden, he get there. How does that impact your play calling? Because he's standing up like that. Does it force you to call plays differently than you would if he's in a conventional stance? No. It's okay not to have. See, I, I don't fault. I don't fault him.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Right.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
I fought Pete Carroll for allowing it, because at the end of the day, he's the offensive coordinator. Pete Carroll is the head coach, and I've seen head coaches override offense and defensive coordinators when they did. No, let him do that. Because at the end of the day, what if I want you to play your absolute best? If standing up in that stance, it's like, oo, like you said, a receiver, some coaches, if you on one side, whatever side you on, okay, I want you right. If you on the right side, I want your right leg back. If you on the left side, I want your left leg back, man. Go, man. Leave me the f alone.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Funny, huh, is I used to play. I used to play with my stands, and I, I, I really love the fact that at times I was given the freedom to change Things because, you know, they watch film.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Yes.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
When that skinny. It's always the same place. If the ball's in the middle, you inside add to the numbers. If the ball's on the left ass, you outside edge of the numbers. So I used to play with my splits a lot.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Well, you had to. Yes, yes.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
So I would play with my splits a lot so people wouldn't know what I was doing because it's always on film. So I would just add stuff into the offense, but I would always end up in the same place at the right time. I gotta be there, right?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
And that's what it come down to. You know? Hey, sometimes you gotta. Sometimes you gotta run a slant. Yeah, you gotta switch it up. You gotta. You can't. You. Hey, man, he tight. Yeah, well, hell, they gonna know. Sometimes you gotta. Hey, man, I'm gonna have to bust it. But I can't keep line up in this tight split and running this shallow, or I can't keep running this tight split and running this speed out because they're gonna pick up on that.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Right.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Like you said, they study. They study film, they study your foot placement, they study your alignment. They study. Okay. Oh. Oh. He always. He normally always have this foot back.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
When he had this foot back, here come that bang. So now you put that foot back and you run the out. Because he gonna be looking to drive the bang. The same thing that we do when we see a linebacker and he stagger, he switch his stance. Oh. Oh, you, man, you coming. You ain't finna dropping no coverage, man. Sharp. How you know? Don't worry about it. I'll tell you after the game. I ain't gonna tell you now so you can change it up. But. Yeah, let. Let the young. Let the young man. Let the young man prosper. And if that's what's gonna help him, be his absolute best. Take off, son. Hey, you want to eat? You want to eat spaghetti for a pregame take off? Yeah, if you want a me, I was a French toast, oatmeal guy. That's what I had in a banana. That's what. That's what my pregame was. Now, I ate pasta tonight before the game, but some. Some people like pot. Like pasta and steak before the game. I don't like that Ocho. That's too heavy, right? That's too heavy. I need to be light. I need that stuff to be out of my system by the time I get to the game. But you. Yeah, I think Chip Kelly was trying to do too much for that that was, that was totally unnecessary because now let the guy succeed. Ocho Malik neighbors towards ACL on Sunday at MetLife Stadium ending the season joining a growing list of players who've suffered major ACL Achilles injured in that stadium. Nick Bosa in 2020, Solomon Thomas in 2020, Jabril Peppers in 2021. Wandell Robinson in 2022. Sterling shepherd in 2022, Kyle Fuller in 2022. Aaron Rodgers in 23. Malik Neighbors in 2025. This morning, NFLPA interim executive director David White met with the Giants and raised concerns with playing the playing surface, per Jonathan Jones. David White pre planned visit to Giants today, according to the union sources. While he met with Giants players and John Maher and raised the issues surrounding MetLife Stadium's turf history, White also shared the union's best interests or best wishes tomorrow with his recent cancer diagnosis announcement. More than 90% of the players have expressed a preference for natural grass and surveys and have continued to ask for it in light of stadiums installing grass for FIFA next year. Ocho, now you see, Ocho. Yeah. You see what, what Ocho, what are they putting in all these stadiums that the World cup is coming to? What do they put in there? Ocho, tell the people home.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Listen, you know, especially an event of this magnitude, soccer is only played once you cross out the States is only played on grass. Not just any grass. On top of that. Beautiful, beautiful. Very Bermuda. Bermuda. Bermuda.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
That baby look be looking like Augusta national, huh?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Unbelievable. Unbelievable. So I understand, I understand the players gripes obviously about the turf, about the grass. I mean they, they prefer and they much rather be playing on grass. I think for cold weather cities that don't have an enclosure.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
It's hard. Now that, that would be, that would be an issue. So I remember when playing the Steelers having a messed up feel for them.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Oh yeah.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
November, late December. It was an advantage. It was advantage having to have a bad feel. So I mean if, if, if.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
And plus the thing is, you know the biggest problem.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
What?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
NFL games aren't the only thing that's played in that stadium.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Tear your grass up.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
You have college games, you have concerts. So when Beyonce comes or you have motocross and you have all these other things that's played in there, you need something that can stand up because it's hard to pay for a stadium where, when you just use it half the year.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
So that stadium is getting used year round especially. Obviously not, you know, New York, you can't have. I mean they're probably not having outdoor events, but let's just say for the sake of argument, like Jerry's world. See, Jerry figured it out. Guess what they have there. Oo everything. College football playoffs, boxing. He's trying to get the, the, the Oklahoma, Texas, the Red river rivalry. He's trying to get that there. National championship games are being played. They're played. They're doing other things. They're having concerts, they're having boxing events, they're having other things. So that's how you make money, by having these venues. And it gets hard. Real grass is hard to care for.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
It's really hard to care for. I mean, it is literally. I mean, we used to have real grass in Mile High. We with some synthetic sewn in. But, man, Ross was on it. I'm talking about. As a matter of fact, he used to work at the Broncos facility. They took him and he. Especially now he's in charge of that down there. He don't do the Bronco stuff. Man, they cutting that grass every day. They measured the temperature, how much water. Okay. We gave it to a. They cut the sprinklers on Ocho for 10 minutes as opposed to 15. They cut it with. We cut it too low, it might burn. Oh, man, there's a science to that stuff.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah, yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
But you know, look at. At the end of the day, I think they'll sit down, I think they'll come to some type of resolution that's like, okay, what is in the best interest? Because we're hurting the product, guys are getting injured. You're gonna have to convince. You gonna have to be able to show them because, you know, the NFL gonna have their doctors and say, see there isn't a rise. Oh, I'm trying to. If you trying to save money, I ain't trying to install grass and then have to install it every three weeks.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Basically, it's what you're gonna have to do because you.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
I think Houston and the Cardinals have that roll like grass. You know what I'm saying, don't you? They roll them pallets out and then when it's up, they roll them, roll them back up.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yep.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
So it's gonna be, it's gonna be interesting to see what, what, what comes, what comes of this. I don't know what's going to come of this, but it just goes to show you that there is some concern from the PA standpoint because these are some of some big names though. These ain't just, you know, willy nilly players.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Right.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
And we'll see. Like you said. I, I, I, I just believe that the owners, like, man, look here, for the World cup, to put the, to put us, you know, in the, the, the, the influx of money that's going to be brought into the, the community part of me.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Hey, you understand how big were you?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah, I do.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Why you, why you think everybody in America, everybody and their mama tried to bid on it? Hey, hell, I think Atlanta gotta, I think Atlanta got something going on there. The Mercedes, Mercedes Benz don't.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Atlanta, Miami, L.A. mexico, Kansas City, Canada. Kansas City. God. Okay. Somewhere. It's a few more. It's a few more. I'm gonna be, I'm be at all of them. I'm gonna be at all of them. I'm excited.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
You, you going.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Remember, I work, Remember, I worked with, I worked with Fox. Yeah, Guitar. I was out there for a whole month. So I'm doing the same thing again. I can't wait.
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Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
This.
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Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
I can't wait.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
You can't wait for what? So what you think, you think they go, you think they going to switch the. The turf or they going to leave it as is?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Probably leave it as is because it's too, it's too much work. It's too much work on their end. And, and it's, it's, it's the kind of work that's going to cost more.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
They're trying to cut costs.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah, my point exactly.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
It's gonna be interesting to see how this thing plays out because like I said, look, they're studying it now. I don't know how much they studied when every. I mean, because they're. Before this field turf Ocho, you either had natural grass or you had Artificial turf. There was no field turf. And then they like this field turf. Okay? This field turf is more durable. You don't have to care for it like you do regular grass. It's. It's durable so you can play multiple events on it. You can have multiple things on it. Concerts. So you could have a concert. You could have a concert on Saturday night, and the thing will be on Friday night, and it'll be ready on Sunday.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
You know what I liked about the.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Turf, though, with that?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
That it didn't matter if it was raining, it didn't matter if it was cold, it didn't matter if it was hot, it didn't matter if there was snow on the ground. I was still able to run full speed and stop on a time because it's not given. It's not going nowhere. And I could. I could feel. I could feel every step. I like that. Not that I have any. Nothing wrong with grass, but. But I just like the fact that is obviously the shoes I wore on was like a track spike with no cushion, no sole, no nothing. It was just the shell of a shoe and a shoelace. So just being able to feel, to me, I feel is much faster playing on that turf.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
I like grass. But you. I mean, I like grass, Ocho. But you know what? I didn't slip because I was a heavy planter, and I made sure, you know, I was always. I always. You know, a lot of times you start slipping when you. When you start. I was like, bro, there's a reason why you only got four spikes in the back and you got seven, eight in the front. So put your damn weight on the front of your. On the balls of your feet, not on your heels. That's why you slipping like that should be common sense. Dum dum.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah. Hey, and another reason I like it is I was. I was so unorthodox in some of the stuff I did. I could be running the out route. You know, the out route. Your out route is on your seven step, right? Yeah, Seven step with your outside foot route and take an extra step, because I can get the 12 so fast and do it. Run it outright off my left foot.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
So let me ask you a question. Did y' all 10 roll to 12 or you 12 roll to 14?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Me, I would always go. I always go from. It's you supposed to roll from 10 to 12? Yeah, I would get the 12 because, you know, I could plant that one foot and just flip right away.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
You plan on your inside foot?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
No, on my right foot.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
My right. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Listen, I'm talking about one.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Well, you playing on your right foot. If you're on the left side, you playing on your left foot. If you're on the right side.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
I could do it in one motion. Because if you got a good db, I'm talking about a really good DB that says, you know what? I'm not moving. I'm not gonna sit. I'm gonna read the quarterback the first three steps, and I'm gonna get my eyes back on you. And that roll. If you roll it from 10 to 12, he driving. And the ball ain't perfect, is going the other way. So I'm not gonna give you no chance. I'm getting the 12, and I'm gonna make sure you getting up out of there.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Are you still. Are you going. Are you going right down the middle, or you trying to pick a shoulder?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
No, I'm staying right down the middle. I'm staying right down the middle.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Yep.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Because if I weave, a good dude just gonna weave right with you, he's just gonna reset everything. So I want to give you no indication. I want to just. I'm gonna stand a straight line, get you to open. If you open, boom, I'm snapping off and right. Gonna play ball.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
All right. Without me, you gotta get him out of that back pedal, cuz, look, now, they'll call it if you run into the guy. Now, if you. He stand there, don't want to move, you running to him, they gonna call it now.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Right, right, right.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Whereas before, they wouldn't call that. Cause he's like. He's entitled to that ground also. Yep.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
So is.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
That's. That, would it. Well, he's entitled to that spot, and. But, you know, I'm. I'm. I'm trying to. I'm trying to get him to open up also. Yeah, I'm trying to get him to open, but for the most part, the last thing they want to do, they don't want you to step on their toes. They don't want you to step on their toes because they know if you step on their toes, it's over for the nine ball.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
It's a rap.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
It's over for the nine ball. Hey. And the last thing he want to do is hey. And I you. Hey, O.J. you know, you got to be. You coming out like you did. I'm like, oh, hey, come to this nine ball. Look at it running. Hey, no, I ain't going deep. I was playing. My bad, my bad. I ain't mean to dig. I didn't mean to dig that hard to get you to open up. But I had to get you out of that back panel. I had. I had to make you move. Because if he doesn't move, Ocho, oh, he gonna. Oh, he gonna drive that driving on you. Oh, he driving that. And especially it all depends on your. How tight you are because he knows if you tight the eyeball. Oh, you want some. You want some space to run the out, huh?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah. Huh.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
The Cleveland Browns have announced that their third round pick, Dylan Gabriel, will start Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings in London. When asked about getting Gabriel getting the starting job, it was literally. It literally left Shador speechless. Oo, let's take a listen to the.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah, yeah, let me hear that thing. Quarterback.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Vocally, anything to say? What do you think you have to.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Show to some coaches just to have.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Them have that belief in you that.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
You can, you know, be ready? What can you say? How much.
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How much has Joe been important to both you and Dylan in terms of your guys, like, development to this point?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Man, y' all might.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Ocho, do you like the way Shador handled this press conference?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Absolutely. Absolutely. Because whatever he says, they're going to twist his words if you, if you say nothing. You know, there's really. Wait on any other team. There are 31 other. Other. Excuse me, there are 31 other teams. Do any of those media members talk to the third string quarterback?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
No.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
It'S controversy. Why create controversy? How do you not create it by when they ask you questions, just don't answer. You just don't answer. If anything, they should be talking to Joe Flacco. Why you talking to Shador? It makes no sense. And I like the way he handled it because anything he does say, they're going to make it a big deal. They're going to twist his words. They can take it completely out of context. Listen, Dylan Gabriel's a starter, so be it.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
For me. I mean, it is being reported. Adam Schefter reported and some other networks are starting to report that this was his response to Rex Ryan saying what he said on the Sunday show, that keep your mouth closed, move to the front of the class and X, Y and Z.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Okay, I like that. I like that.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
I guess this was a situation where he's like, okay, I should keep my mouth shut. I'm gonna keep my mouth shut. It's hard for me to believe that the scenario that he didn't talk to his father, obviously he leans very heavily on his father. Rightfully so. His dad has been through things like this where, you know, he says something and then it, if he says something it's one thing. If he doesn't say something, it's another thing. So he, he took this approach. Look, he's not just any other quarterback. Any other third, third string quarterback. No, you and I both know if he was any other quarterback and he slid down where he did, we wouldn't be having it. If he was any normal 5th round pick, we wouldn't even having this discussion. Yeah, but he's not a fifth round pick so we should not ask, ask him to act like a fifth round pick because that's not what we believe he is for me. Look, if he took it, if he had tucked the pro say, look, I'm happy for Dylan, right? Hopefully he goes out there and plays well. Joe, I feel bad for Joe, but you know, this is, this is the game of football. This is a business and a. I just, you know, I'm happy for Dylan and my job doesn't change. Right. I go out there, I prepare and if my time, if my number is called, I'm gonna go out there and give it everything that I possibly got. That's really the only thing that he can say. Ocho, what's he, what's he supposed to say? Yeah, now it's a situation. I'm not. You know, we had this conversation and everybody from Cleveland jumped on me. I said, guys, what are we doing right? Why, why is Joe Flacco here? Yeah, we know Flaco was in Cleveland once before and they let him go. He was in Indy and he wasn't. Let me get this straight. He wasn't the answer the first time around in Cleveland. He wasn't the answer in Indy, he wasn't the answer at the jets, but now he's going to be the answer this time around. Joe Flacco hadn't been the answer since 2012 when he won them, when he took the, the Ravens to the Super Bowl. And that's it. Go ahead.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
OO n I, I don't think he, I don't think he was the answer. It was more sure of the short term, the short term, excuse me, their short term answer until they're ready to, to see who's going to be quarterback number two. We find out who quarterback number two was and it was only a matter of time. Same thing with Russell Wilson and Jackson Dart. Russell Wilson was a starter. He was a starter for a short time, like you said, eight weeks or maybe after. I thought it would have been way, I thought it had been far beyond that, but obviously we See what happened, they made a change after week three, same concept. I knew he wasn't going to be in there too long. And I mean, listen, Dylan Gabriel is now the quarterback. I wish him luck and we gonna see. To me, to be honest with you, I don't think he's the answer. I don't think he's the answer and we're gonna find out. Listen, this ain't the preseason. This ain't the preseason. And the defenses that you're gonna see now are gonna be a lot more different than what we saw during the preseason. So if he can handle the pressure. One of the things I do like about Dylan Gabriel is not only can he throw the ball, he showed that he efficient in the preseason, but he's also a dual threat. He can use his legs similar to Jackson dart. I'm not saying Jackson Dart, but I'm just saying he had that dual threat capability and being able to extend plays and throw the ball.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
It's funny how we look at things now. Jameis Winston has a big personality. He's a third string quarterback. Everybody would have lauded James had he did the exact same thing. Right. I mean, think about it, Ocho.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
The funny things that he says and the mannerisms that he has. Yes, this is Jameis.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah, absolutely.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
But they have a problem with. You do. I don't know how Shador wins. If he says something, he shouldn't have said anything. If he doesn't say anything, he should have said something until he gets on the field and somebody can say, either, see, I told you he could play or. Or I told you he couldn't play. It's going to be something, Ocho. That's just the way. That's just the nature of what it is.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Absolutely. You know, it's totally unfortunate too. If it was any fifth round pick, he wouldn't be talked about like this.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
No.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Because this would come to that last name.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah, absolutely.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
This was come with the aura of being a Sanders. It just. It is what it is. Obviously I feel the Browns and organization, Stefanski, obviously the owner himself came out and said, this wasn't my pick. This is not who I wanted to. So the odds are stacked against him. The car that he dealt, he's going to have to do his best job in playing the hand that he has. When that opportunity comes, if it does come, you got to come out. You got, you got to be prepared. You got to be prepared. And when you get it, you got to shut that door behind you.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
I get it. Look. And people say, well, Jamers proved himself. What, that he's a journeyman quarterback? He threw 30 picks. He was the last quarterback in the NFL since you got to go back to TestAverde in the 80s that threw 30 interceptions. So I'm trying to figure out, what did he prove he took did he take Tampa to Did he take Tampa to the Super Bowl? Because all I know, the team that he left, Tom Brady, came in the next year and they went to the Super Bowl. So I'm asking you guys. You said he proved. What did he prove? If he'd proved, guess where he'd have been? Ocho not the backup in New York.
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Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Where would you have been cuz? Where, where was he last year? Oo, Cleveland.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Cleveland? Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
He was in New Orleans before that. Yeah, All I'm saying, I'm saying the personality matches we can look prove. Prove. Okay, fine. I get your point. Where he started in the league, he was rookie of the year in the league. You're absolutely correct. But I, I, there are a lot of guys that's proved they could. Joe Flacco proved that he could play in the league. Joe Pleco won a Super Bowl. He was a Super bowl mvp. Yeah, go look at Joe Flacco playoff numbers. I mean you would say that Joe Flacco would have proven more if you say improve than Jamers. I was just saying the personalities. When we like somebody, Ocho, we'll tolerate more of their behavior than if we don't. Yeah, see, we like James. James funny man. Y' all heard what James was saying. James funny.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
James gonna have a career in media.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah, Jamie James is one of one. James is there There isn't another personality like him. I think Shador doesn't have that kind of personality. I think people just don't like Shador based on the aura, what he comes with the name Pops as well, some of the things Dion may have said in the past, people that like Dion so any ill will toward Deon and just overflowing onto his son as well. For me, Unc, you ignore it, especially Estador, you ignore it.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
You.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
You've been prepared for this moment. You've had the deal all your life. Now it's come to a head. You at the last stop, you've reached the pinnacle, your childhood dream of being on an NFL team. You're not the starter, but you have an opportunity to be the starter at some time. If things don't go well, you just need to make sure you are prepared when the opportunity presents itself. And that's pretty much it. All the noise. Block all that out, man. Block all that out.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
It's just unusual to see the starter get benched.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
And.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Well, I guess it's common because when. When Russ got benched, Jackson Dart came in to start and Russell went to the backup.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Right.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
So I guess it's not an unusual as we might think it is. You're like, well, hold on. Flacco got benched, Shadou was already third. Shouldn't everybody just like move up a spot and the guy jumps back? But that's seemingly not how they did it because Brian Dayball said that Jackson Dart would start the rest of the season and Russ would serve as his backup in Jameis stage, where Jameis is. Yeah, And I don't. I. I guess it's common. I don't. I don't really know Ocho, but it seemed like this is the same thing. Joe Flacco lost his job. The guy that was backing up Joe Flacco moved to the starter and. And. And Flacco moved to number two and the third quarterback stayed exactly where he was.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah, absolutely.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
I think the thing is, until Shador gets on the field, improves or disproves what the. Ocho is 50. I mean, want to play. He's too cocky. He's too this. He does this and he does that. The mannerism. Until he's on the field, right, until he plays, is the. The chatter. The noise is not going to stop.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
No, it's not. It's not.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Are you muted.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Me?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
He ain't said nothing. I can't hear him.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
You can't hear me?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Oh, just me.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah, that's you. I'm talking To. You can't hear me now? Hey, can you see my muscles? You see my muscles? Hey, Chat. Can you see my muscles?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Okay, there you go. You got me now?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah, I got you. Go ahead. That was me.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
But they. But it's. It's a situation, Ocho. People want to see him succeed or they want to see him fail, but they want to see him on the field. Yeah, that's what it. That's what it comes down to, Ocho. I want to see him on the field, and I want to see him sink or swim.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Right?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah, that's what it comes down to. Because all this talk, well, he shouldn't have been this or he shouldn't have been that. Now, he's going to either prove a camp right or he's going to be proven wrong.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Right?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
But they want to say, okay, we see now. That's why he's led to the fifth round. Man, I don't know how. Y' all see how he playing. He should have never been in the sixth round. I mean, the fifth round, right? You don't know. I'm sure he talked to his dad. Yeah, his dad. Like, look, son, if it was me, you handle, you your own guy. You're your own man. But Rex said. I don't know exactly. I don't want to misquote, but I think he said something to the. The fact. Why are you talking. Because it's the same situation. And here's where he's going to get beat up at if he doesn't go play in and he doesn't play well. Ocho, remember he said he can play better than some of the starting quarterbacks right now.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
That's what got LeBron in trouble with Bronnie.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Bronnie was in high school or Bronnie was in college and he. Bron said Bronnie is better than some NBA players currently.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Right.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
You put a huge target. Now, I get it when you tell your son, you know, you believe in your son, and you should believe in your son, but when you put it out there like that, Ocho, man, you're asking. You're asking for a lot of criticism. Should we be surprised that he was named starter?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
No. I mean, he was the number two. It shouldn't be a surprise at all. It shouldn't be a surprise at all. He was. He. Listen, Mr. Fancy came out before the season started and said that Dylan Gabriel will be the number two quarterback. I mean, that's what it is. That's what it Is So we knew at whatever point things weren't going well for Flacco, Dylan Gabriel will be the next man up. Now if things don't go well with Dylan Gabriel, I don't know what's going to happen from that point on.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
That, that. See, that's where I was going next. Oh, you are, you're right. Oo because it was reported that Gabriel was getting first team reps along with Flacco if it's earliest training camp. So he was getting first team reps. Flacco was getting first team reps. And who was the other quarterback?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Damn.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
From the Steelers.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Kenny Pickett.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah, yeah. Pick it. So those guys were getting first team reps. Shador wasn't getting those reps. So I agree. We shouldn't be surprised. The question that I have for you, if Gabriel struggles now, what do we do? Do they go back to Plato or they said, oh, do they give Shador an opportunity?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
You know what, I'm not sure. And, and knowing, knowing the game, understanding the business and knowing how the business works, I think they will probably go back to Flacco. I think they will go back to Flacco. And if things don't work out again and Flacco still not successful when he returns back to the field, then I think Shador will get his shot somewhere on the back half of the season.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Ocho, let me ask you a question.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Talk to me.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
If you think Shedeur knew what he knew now, you think he goes back to Colorado for his last year.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
If he knew what he knows now, if he knows, he knows now.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Hindsight.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah, probably so. Probably so.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
I think so too.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
I would think.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
But there is no possible way. There's no possible way. Ocho. There's not a scenario that anybody thought, okay, let's just say Ocho, he's not the first pick. He's not a top five, he's not a top ten. Let's just say. You know what, Ocho, because you and I having this conversation.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Let's just say that he's not a first round pick. 32. 30, 32 players going to be selected in the first round.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Right.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Ain't no way he thought he'd be a fifth round draft pick.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. Not at all. And some people listen, some people say, well, he wasn't that good. He was mid. He would listen. He can play the quarterback position. He can play the quarterback position. He does.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
He does.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
He's not a dual threat. But what he, what he lacks in his ability to run the ball he makes up in other areas. He has other intangibles that makes him a quality quarterback where he should get an opportunity to start on an NFL team. And until he gets the opportunity to prove he can do just that, we're going to have to wait and see.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
He should apply for a hardship for Covid, say, I want to go back and play. You're right. I mean, there's really, like, no way to really know. I mean, hell, I didn't. Somebody would have told me I was gonna be a Silver Ride draft pick. I say, you out your damn mind. Yeah, Yeah, I was the number. I was the number one rated. One of the number one rated players below division one. So I'm like, okay, I ain't gonna go in the first round, but somebody tell me I'm gonna be. I'm not gonna be a top third round, a top three round pick, man, please.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Let me. Let me tell you something. You've been around a long time. I've been around long enough to understand that business and how that business works.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Anything they don't like about you before you get there, they will find a way to humble you. They will find a way to humble you. And when your opportunity does present itself, boy, you gotta knock that goddamn door down and close it behind you, because you're not gonna get very many opportunities, especially if they don't like you.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
I would have. Yeah, I would have. I agree with you, Ocho. Because my brothers to tell me all the time, I said, man, you know, I'd be in training camp, Ocho, and I'd be like, man, I ain't. I ain't getting no refs today, or I'd be in practice. You know, once I made a team. He said, don't worry about it. He said, one day, John Elway gonna call on you. He said, just make sure when he call your number, better be ready.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Gotta be ready.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
He said, and. And I think the thing that really helped me, Ocho, is that he told me, he said, t, you can. You can. You could be good in this league. He said, there ain't a whole lot of. Ain't a whole lot of can do what you do now. He said, just keep work, you know, just keep working hard. I. I don't know why that man took a liking to me. I don't know, Joe. I don't know why.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Right?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
But I mean, for him and Gary Kubiak. Kubiak, Cool was the backup when I was in Denver. When I first got there, 1991. Hey, cool used to Pull me to the side. Now that's when you know somebody really take a liking to you. He pulled me to the side. He said he would show me. It's like, hey, now, you're gonna be in here on this, this, and this. You know what you got? Now they're gonna be in this coverage. You run this, you're gonna be on that coverage. You run that. Oh, so I'll be. I'll be out there doing like I'm doing. I do. Like, okay, good job. Good job, Shark.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Hey, you know what else? You know what else?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
They'd be like, oh. Oh. They were like, good job. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Getting your playbook, man. Cool. Told me everything.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
You know what else? When I think about it, when I think about some of the things the fancy said, when I think about some of the things the owner said, they baiting him, too. A little bit too. They baiting him. When you go to the army, when you go to the Marines, when you go to the Navy, any of those places where it's a structured environment, what's the one thing they try to do to make sure to see if you. If you're ready or you worthy or.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
They gotta try to break you down?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Trying to break you. They trying. They trying to break him.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
You.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
He cannot break. You cannot fold. You cannot lash out.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Hell no, I don't come this far.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Hell no, you can't do none of that. You got to stay the course. You got to stay the course and focus on the end goal and prepare for that opportunity, because it's going to come. Yeah, it's definitely going to come.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Man. Ocho, look, I'm gonna share this story with you. I've only shared it one time, and I shared it with. When I spoke at Coach Reed's funeral, I was the only. His wife called me and asked, would I speak now, you got to realize all the people that he played with. Coach Reese played in the league. He played on the. Coach Landry, all the coaches he coached. He was offensive coordinator with the Cowboys. He was the head coach of the Broncos. He was the head coach of the Giants. He was the head coach of the. The Falcons. He asked me to. She asked me to speak. I didn't know until, like, she told me, but she's like, shannon, it would be a huge honor if you were to speak at. At Dan. I was like, I'm like, are you sure? I was like, she's like, I'm sure. She said, Shannon, you was always his favorite. He said you worked so hard. He said he saw how you came in and what you worked and turned yourself into. He was just so proud. So I'm sure he would be honored if you spoke. Ocho. Every Sunday, Coach Reeves would ask seven or eight of us what we had on a certain play. God, honest truth. Every time he would call on me, he would already had salt. But he would tell me he was step out in the hall, he would tell me, I'm going to ask you this, right? This is what you need to say, right? Say it like this. And I'm like, why he. He ain't doing that for nobody else, right? He's not. That's why it hurt me so bad. Ocho. When he got fired, I said had I became. Because he got fired the year I made my first Pro Bowl, I led the team and receiving right. That it hurt me so bad. I said if I had only become what I later became in 93 through 98.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Right.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Ain't no way coach Reeves get fired. So that's why it hurt me because he invested so much in me. He believed in me. He did. He drafted me. Somehow he lost his damn mind and forgot to cut me. And for him, John and Cool and coach Reeve to take that kind of time, I promise you, I. I don't. And I don't know, you don't quote me on this. It's hard for me to believe that a head coach is taking that kind of interest in a seventh round draft pick in today's game. It's hard for me to believe John Elway, the number one pick in the 1983 draft was. He was a Pro Bowler. He was an all pro. He was an mvp, had gone to three Super Bowls. Is taking that kind of liking in a seventh round draft pick. Gary Kubiak, who was the backup, is taking that kind of liking. Ocho, I ain't have no choice.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
It's like my grandmother when she put. When she took my mom's three in after raising hers. I have no choice, Ocho. How can I let these people down that had invested so much in me, that believed in me. How I couldn't.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Right?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Man, I got my playbook. Hey, every night I'm going home, I say I'm gonna know everything. It became second nature. It became. I knew. I knew what I had to do. It's hard to check this out. Ocho.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
The tight end is normally why.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
In Dan's offense, he's X.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
The X.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Yes. Because coach Landry was a defensive coordinator, so everything is backwards. 1, 3, 5 is to the right. 2, 4, 6, 8 is to the left.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Okay?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Yes. So if it's backwards, that's not Z, that's a wing.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Okay.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Why wing three? Why dig tight end is the X. Ocho tied in, been wise whole life, right? 2, 4, 6, 8, bit to the right your whole life. 13, 57 is to the left. Ocho, now you got verbiage. Oh, I came from the route tree.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Six, five, four. Same seven, three, seven, man. What you mean? 52? Double slanting special, huh? What? I got 52. I ain't never heard nothing like that, right? Oh, man. Jeez. My mind was. Was spinning.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
But of some good days, boy.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Ocho, I just want to know, what is it going to take? What do you believe it will take for Shador to get an opportunity to start this season? Because this is. Because if he doesn't start this season, Ocho, the whole purpose of him not going to Baltimore. And it's reported that there were another team, the Eagles also thought about selecting him. He said, no, I don't want to play behind her. I don't want to. It wasn't that he didn't want to play behind guys like that, but you talking about a guy like Jalen Hurst is very doable. He doesn't miss time.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Lamar, you're not seeing the field.
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Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
You're not seeing the field at a few places. Now, the opportunity to play.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
What happens if he doesn't see the field this year for Cleveland?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Hey, that. That. That's. That's one I don't know. And that's. I'm not understanding. But if he doesn't see the field this year for Cleveland, being at their. They have shortcomings with Flacco and they have shortcomings with Dylan Gabriel, then that's malpractice on ownership. It might come to a point where you have no choice but to put him in there, because not only is the team going to call for him, the fans and the media going to call for him as well.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
I definitely think the fans are going to be calling for if Gabriel doesn't play well. I mean, look, just don't turn the ball over. Just don't. Just keep your defense off the field for. Damn. For 35, 40 minutes. I'm not asking you to be a world beater, but if you can give your defense, if you can score enough and keep your defense off the field.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Where they're not playing 35, 40 minutes, you gotta. You're Gonna have a chance. Yeah, you're gonna have a chance. The defense is plenty good enough, but not if you wear them down.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
So we'll see. Oh, Dylan. Gabriel made an interesting comment yesterday when talking about becoming Brown's new QB1. Let's take a listen to what Gabriel had to say.
J
I smile because it's like a moment you prep for and you, you are extremely excited for, but also got to realize that it's extreme focus and, and that's what I've continued to harp on. But you wait for the perfect time, you know you're gonna wait a whole lifetime. So for me, I'm just, I've always been ready for every moment.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Wait for the perfect time. You'll be waiting a lifetime.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
I like that. Because when you do, you get your moments and your opportunities. Sometimes the ideal situation is never perfect. It's never perfect. The ideal situation that you envision in your head to get the opportunity is never going to be how you envision. Envision it. And that's exactly what it is. Sometimes they're adversity. Sometimes there are obstacles that you have to climb to get said opportunities. And for him, it hasn't been perfect. Amen. My light. My light just went out.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Don't think he was talking about him waiting a lifetime. The reports didn't come out that he's told the team not to draft him.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
I don't. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't, I don't. I don't coincide with what he said and having to do anything with, with 12. I. I don't. Yeah, no. It's hard to even. No, not even close.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Not even close.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Nah, not even close. No, that's, you know, that would be almost be reaching a little bit. That, that's to me. No.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
So. But I'm trying to figure out how you feel. Why would he say if you wait for the perfect time, you have to wait a lifetime?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Well, come on. And I said, yeah, I'm just asking. We can't be. Can't. That's his words. That's what he came up with. That might be a saying he's. I, I don't know. I don't know. But I, I still don't. I don't coincide what he's saying and having to do anything.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
But it's your door. I look, is it ever going to be perfect, Ojo? I mean, all things being equal, you like for the Dolphins to draft you. All things be like, man, let me go home. I want to play for the Dolphins or I want to go play with somebody, got a quarterback, yada, yada, yada. But look, and I get it, quarterbacks are different because normally you get a quarterback and he's good, he gonna be there for a period of time and you got to, you know, you got to wait and hope everything happens. I mean, idea. Let me ask you a question. Ideally.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Do you think Tom Brady, given the choice, wanted to go to New England after they had just given Major Drew Bledsoe, the highest paid quarterback in the NFL? He had just signed a six year, $100 million deal.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
You think that was the ideal situation for Tom Brady?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Absolutely not.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
What happened?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
He got hurt. Drew got hurt. Drew got hurt. And guess what happened? It wasn't an ideal situation and it wasn't perfect.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
He made it ideal.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Bingo. And the same thing. Joe Flacco's not playing well. Not the ideal situation. Because maybe the ideal situation is I drafted in the third round and I beat Joe Flacco out in training camp and I'm the start of week one. That's the ideal, perfect situation.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
I don't believe there. I don't believe they're gonna let anybody look if it's been reported they wanted Kenny Pickett to win the job and Gabriel B. Second. Should door be third? I don't ever think there was going to be a situation, Ocho, that a rookie was going to beat Joe Flacco out. I don't.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
No, I. I didn't either. Based on. I didn't either. But again, the way to go on who you start with is you start with the veteran who has experience. And when the bottom falls out, then you make a change. The bottom fell out. They made a change.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Right. Man should have got. I could have told him the bottom was gonna fall out.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
At some point the bucket was rusty anyway. You talking about the bottle fell out. Hell, the bucket rusty.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
You think was gonna happen to the bottom. Look, at the end of the day, Shador needed to make the best decision for him. You might not agree with what he did. He should just be happy that somebody was going to take him. X, Y and Z. I get it. Oo. I get all. I do. I honestly get all of that because normally when we come out oo, we just happen to get drafted. Really? I am. I didn't care about, man, the big. Really? The Bengals, the Patriots, the Colts, anybody could have drafted me. I got drafted to the NFL. That was the start of the journey. Yeah, I mean, people. Sometimes people get drafted. Oh, they say, oh, yeah. No Bro, your journey just started. You ain't never been to the NFL. I don't know if your dream was not to just get, was not to be drafted. My dream was to get to the NFL and play right. Being drafted is just half the process. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Also, you have to think now, let's use a little common sense. My chances, if I'm Shador, I don't want to go to Baltimore. You ain't finna see the field. You not seeing the field for the next 10. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, the next 10, 11 years, it's gonna be Lamar Jackson show.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
I know a guy that went to New England when Tom Brady was at his apex, named Jimmy Garoppolo. Played a few games, played good enough. And then what happened? Tell the people at home that don't know that wasn't around when Jimmy Garoppolo got drafted to the New England Patriots and Tom Brady got suspended. Because we never know because there's only been one omnipotent one.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
The all knowing.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yes.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Tell the people at home what happened. Jimmy Garoppolo got drafted to the New England Patriots. There's an unforeseen that we could not have possibly known.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Right.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Tell the people. I want you to take the story over from there.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Hold on. I forgot the story. You got to bring me up to speed.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Jimmy Garoppolo gets drafted to the New England Patriots.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yes.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Tom Brady gets suspended for four games. Jimmy Garoppolo played well enough to say. Guess what happened, Ocho. The 49ers traded a second round pick to get Jimmy G. Okay. Now Lamar Jackson is hurt. If Shador Sanders is there, guess who's going to get in the game right now? Ocho.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Shador Sanders.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
If you play well enough because you know you're not going to keep the job from Lamar Jackson. You play well enough, guess what happens. Ocho. Tell the people I own. What could possibly happen?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah, he could probably get traded somewhat. Somebody willing to give up picks for him.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
And you get, you get to a situation that you always wanted because go ahead.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Or the cars that you were dealt. I'm gonna take my chances going somewhere else. I'm gonna take my chances going. But let me stay with me now.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Go ahead. I'm with you.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
I'm gonna take my chances going somewhere else where the odds are stacked against me. Those obstacles and those hurdles, that adversity that I've always had to overcome. And in life I'm a. I'm gonna do it the hard way. I got, I got to wait and wait my turn. Because guess what he gonna get his opportunity on.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Guess what else is stacked against you?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
What's that?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
The talent in Cleveland versus the talent in Baltimore.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Because when Jimmy Garoppolo went to New England, guess who he was throwing to. Danny Amendola. Guess who else. Julian Edelman. Guess who else? Rob Gronkowski. Guess who he would be handing the ball off to. Derrick Henry. Guess who he'd be throwing to? Mark Andrews. Guess who else. Rashad Bateman. Guess who else. They flowers.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
They flowers.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Oh. Now let me ask you another question. Who would you rather be throwing the ball to? The guys in Cleveland or the guys in Baltimore? Who would you rather hand the ball off to? Derrick Henry or the guy in Cleveland? I'm just asking. I don't know. I mean, you might like.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
I hear you. I hear you. It sound good. That would be the ideal situation. But what did Dylan Gabriel just say? I don't have the ideal situation. The situation I'm in was not perfect. But when I. When the opportunity.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Hold up, hold up. Can we rewrite that and play that again? Can we rewrite?
J
I smile because it's like a moment you prep for and you are extremely excited for, but also got to realize that it's extreme focus. And that's what I've continued to. To harp on. But you wait for the perfect time, you know, you're gonna wait a whole lifetime. So for me, I'm just. I've always been ready for every moment.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
If you wait for the perfect time. So I. I'm Shador, and I'm in Baltimore, so I'm waiting on Lamar to get hurt, because that's the.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
What you waiting for in Baltimore? What you waiting for in Cleveland? You waiting for Joe Flacco to mess up.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
So either way, whichever place you go to, you're still waiting on the perfect time. You're still waiting on the ideal situation where you can get in there and do what you do, regardless of what's surrounding you. You still got to do what you.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Got to do, right when you get in there.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Hey, for one. You know what? You know what's funny is you can't focus on what's around you. You can only focus on what you need to do, Right? Do what you need to do, regardless of whether you have a great supporting cast or not, Whether I got Derrick Henry or not, whether I got Zay Flowers or I got damn Derrick Henry in the background, I got to do what I need I got to do. And handing the ball off to Ju Juins Right, Jukins?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Duckins, I gotta get the ball to Jerry. Jerry. Judy, I gotta get the ball at unjuku. Whatever. I got to work with that. That hand I got. But when you play blackjack, they give.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
You a hand, right?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
I'm trying to beat the dealer. That's it. I got to work with what I got.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
I guess I got. I. Man, you gave me 14, I guess. What you got? You got a nine. I gotta hit it.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Hey, that's the beautiful. Hey, that's the beautiful thing about life, though, huh?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
It is.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Think about life, right? We all envision getting the perfect hand, but sometimes the car that God dealers, they ain't perfect. But he ain't gonna give us 21 every time.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
No. And sometimes you might have 21, and the dealer got 21, and you'll be like. And you didn't take no insurance out.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Hey, hey, listen. It's a push.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Oh, you got two. Oh, you like? Oh, yeah, I got 20. And then he flip over blackjack. So you're right. There are. There are no. Look, there are no perfect scenarios. Yeah, we make. Whatever it is. We make the best out because there have been times. Hey, you got. Hey, you got eight, you got 10, you get three, you get a five, you get another three. 21.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Like, damn. I don't know how I got. I don't know how I made that hand.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
And that's what your daughter's gonna have to do, okay? You're gonna have to wait a couple more weeks because Dylan Gabriel is in there now, and they're gonna give it. They're gonna give him, you know, three to five weeks.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah. Hey, this. I. I hope. I hope he does well.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
I do, too. Look, I can't wish. Bad, Ocho. I've been in that situation. Ocho. I was the third. Hold on. Clarence K. Orson Berht. I was the fourth tight end. Ocho. Fourth. Every tight end on the roster got hurt.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Hold on. You was fourth?
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Fourth. First of all. First of all, I was. I was the fifth receiver, so that's why I was the fifth receiver. Yes.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Hey, you were. Sorry.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Hey, I was a special team man. I was special team. That's my job. Hey, give him a good look at practice, Right? Special team. Go down there, do what I need to do.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
How everybody. All the tight ends get hurt.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
I'm the biggest wide receiver, but at that point in time, Ocho, I'm already down. I came In, I weighed 221. By that time, I'm like 212. What tight. Did you What? Wide receiver. You know, Ocho can go play tight end. Even in today's game when they don't really block like that at 212.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah, that's very undersized. That's very sized. Hell, I did when I came in this room, I was 212.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
So it was a situation like. And when dad except for me to come talk to Dan, I think I'm gonna get cut. And coach call you. They say, hey, Dan want to see you in his office. And you just had a meeting. I'm gonna tell my. What I'm gonna tell Libby, but I'm telling.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Damn.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Everybody just. Oh, so everything going through my head. Yeah, I know that. I know them ends back home gonna be. Yeah, I told you. I knew he wasn't gon long.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Dam.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
He. He could tell I was nervous. Oh, I'm. I coach. Hey, Shannon, Come on in. No, I'm good. I can hear y' all here.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Hey.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
He said. He said, what do you think about switching positions? Thinking about moving you to tight end. I said, okay. He said, I say, you gonna throw me the ball? He's like, yeah, you know, you gotta learn to play, but, yeah, we'll get you the ball. I said, okay, Ocho. My heart was beating so fast.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
So, hey, now I ain't in the wide receiver meeting no more. I'm with the tight end.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Tight ends. Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
And just. And just like that, halfway through the season, boom. Exit interview. Ocho, we were 5 and 11 that year. Yeah. He said, hey, coach. Coach Reed tell me I go to his office. He said, you did really good. But, hey, need you to get a little stronger, put a little weight on.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Hey, we think you could be really good. We think you could be really good. It's like, man, I said, okay. Bad. Oh, man, I hit the weight, man. So that's what. Hey, Shador. I don't know when this opportunity is going to present itself, but when it presents itself, and I'm sure your father has told you this, when the opportunity presents itself. Sometimes when opportunity presents itself, Ocho, grumblers complain about the noise. Don't worry about it. Seize the moment, bro.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Oh, what that was.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
You said opportunity. When it knocks, grumbler complains about the noise.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Hold on, man.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Who that? That's opportunity gone. Don't worry about it.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Hold on.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
You a Sanders realize that. Hang your hat on that. All else fails, go back. Who am I? What am I? How did I become this? Where did I come from?
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Hey, boy, that was a good one. There, boy. When opportunity presents itself, brumbles.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
An opportunity knocks.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Oh, yeah. Knock, knock, knock, knock, knock.
Football Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe)
Man, who that knocking on my door? What you want? That was opportunity knocking and you complaining about the noise.
Football Analyst 1 (Ocho)
Oh, that's tough. Hey, that's like a battle rap bar right there. I'm gonna use that. I'm gonna use.
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Date: October 4, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Football Analyst 2), "Ocho" (Football Analyst 1)
Podcast: Club Shay Shay – iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media
This episode delves into major NFL storylines: the Cleveland Browns’ surprising decision to start rookie Dillon Gabriel over Shedeur Sanders at quarterback, the evolving saga of player stances and coaching control seen through Ashton Jeanty's resurgence, and the ongoing debate around turf vs. grass surfaces following more high-profile injuries. Shannon Sharpe and Ocho analyze these events, sharing both insider experiences and pointed commentary about coaching philosophies, media narratives, and the athlete’s mindset during transitional periods.
[03:01 – 08:27]
Background:
Discussion:
Notable Quotes:
[08:27 – 15:54; 19:45 – 23:24]
Context:
Analysis:
Notable Quotes:
[25:05 – 44:47; 54:42 – 69:57]
The Situation:
Sharpe and Ocho’s Analysis:
On Opportunity and Adversity:
Notable Quotes:
[46:19 – 69:57]
Personal Reflections:
Career Advice:
Lessons on Football and Life:
| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:01 | Ashton Jeanty's iconic stance, coaching decisions, and player comfort | | 08:27 | NFL injury discussion, MetLife turf vs. natural grass debate | | 25:05 | Browns QB controversy: Dillon Gabriel named starter over Shedeur Sanders | | 45:27 | Sharpe and Ocho’s advice for overlooked players; Ready for rare opportunities | | 54:42 | Dillon Gabriel’s thoughts on starting; "wait for the perfect time, you wait a lifetime" | | 69:28 | “When opportunity knocks, a grumbler complains about the noise.” |
This episode showcases Club Shay Shay at its best: mixing NFL analysis with athlete-first philosophy, real-life lessons, and behind-the-scenes storytelling. Whether you’re following the Browns’ QB saga, curious about NFL turf debates, or looking for wisdom on seizing your moment, Shannon Sharpe and Ocho deliver it all with trademark fire and authenticity.