Best of NFL Part 2: Is Tyreek Hill WASHED UP after Dolphins release?! Jalen Hurts STUCK UP ways for being ranked MOST HATED in the NFL

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Best of NFL Part 2

Episode Title: Is Tyreek Hill WASHED UP after Dolphins release?! Jalen Hurts STUCK UP ways for being ranked MOST HATED in the NFL
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Ocho Cinco") & Chad Johnson
Date: February 18, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson dive into two of the most buzzworthy NFL topics: the Miami Dolphins’ shocking release of superstar wide receiver Tyreek Hill after a major injury, and the ranking of Jalen Hurts as the most hated player in the NFL. The hosts offer behind-the-scenes insights on football business, locker room dynamics, and how player reputations shape (and are shaped by) on-field and off-field events. This conversation is laced with player anecdotes, candid opinions, and relatable wisdom about sports, business, and life.

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Key Discussions & Insights

1. Tyreek Hill Released by Dolphins: “Washed Up” or Still Elite?

[02:11–19:41]

• Cap Context:

  • Tyreek Hill released with a $51.1 million cap hit for 2026; Dolphins now save $23 million in cap space, but incur $28.2 million in dead money.
  • Age and injury concern: Hill turns 32 on March 1, coming off a severe leg injury.

• Best Landing Spots for Tyreek:

  • Chad Johnson: "The Bills would be a nice place for him… I like the Chiefs also… Even a Tyreek Hill that's not as fast as he once was is still faster than everybody else." [02:45]
  • Both hosts agree the Dolphins might’ve “moved on too fast” and restructuring his contract could have been a better move.

• Locker Room Trust & Quitting:

  • Ocho (Sharpe): "[Players] will forgive a lot, but you can't leave them out to dry. You can't quit on them." [04:21]
    • Discusses the impact of Tyreek allegedly "quitting" on his team after a season-ending injury, and its effect on his captaincy and trust in the locker room.

• Injury Return & Value:

  • Both hosts expect Tyreek’s athleticism (even at 32) to outmatch most NFL receivers if used properly.
    • Chad: "Even if he's not the same Tyreek of old, it will still be better than damn near 98% of the receivers in the NFL if he's used correctly." [03:59]
  • Anticipation of Tyreek posting videos to prove his rehab progress and market himself as healthy.
  • Debate over whether teams will pay for the player he "was" or who he "will be" after injury.

• Is Tyreek a Hall of Famer Already?

  • Chad: “If Tyreek Hill was to never play another down, he is a Hall of Famer… first ballot.” [08:16]
  • Ocho: Jokes about media being harsh on first-ballot status but doesn't dispute his on-field achievements.

2. NFL Star Value & Contract Lessons

[19:18–24:54]

• Chad: "Teams do not get caught up in this 'I remember, I remember'… Pay him for what you believe he'll be."
• Discuss the changing value of players after injuries and age versus what franchises emotionally remember them for.
• Reference to Tyreek’s transformative career—once a gadget guy and return specialist, now an elite receiver.

3. HOF Perception & The “Goalpost Moving”

[24:05–25:45]

• NFL off-field issues impact Hall of Fame votes, but the criteria vary based on the player.
• Ocho: "They move the goalpost for who they want to."
• The “justice” metaphor: “Justice supposed to be blindfolded, but every once in a while, she be peeking, Ocho.” [25:09]

4. Most Hated & Most Loved NFL Players

[25:50–33:07]

• Jalen Hurts tops most hated list, surprising both hosts.
  • “His hate is well-renowned—players, analysts, fans.” [30:05]
  • Some names make no sense (“Jake Moody? Who the hell voted on this?” [26:56]); both hosts critique the logic.
  • Laughter and disbelief at offensive linemen, backup QBs, and quiet guys being hated.
• Most Loved: Josh Allen, Kenneth Grant, Cam Ward, Bo Nix.

5. Locker Room Stories: Antonio Brown & Tolerance of Talent

[33:07–44:17]

• Josh Jacobs’ quote on Antonio Brown: “He be in meetings on his phone and he ain’t even hiding it... Only person to go out there and never mess up a play. The hardest worker ever.” [32:51]
• Both hosts reflect on how much NFL teams tolerated from AB due to his elite on-field play, but Chad distinguishes his own approach:
  • Chad: "There's certain boundaries I don't cross. You have to allow people to mature and grow, but I always showed love for what he did on the field." [38:06]
• Ocho: “What the Steelers let you get away with, they weren’t gonna let you get away with that at no place else. What your first relationship let you get away with, nobody else will because they know the backdrop.” [36:39]
• Emphasis on the importance of accountability and the risk of believing social media over real-world consequences.

6. Wealth, Success, and Envy in the Black Community (and Beyond)

[47:04–51:55]

• Sharp commentary on public perceptions of money and the illusion of "staying humble":
  • “Everybody say what they would do if they had $10 million. It’s easy to say when you ain’t got $10 million.” [47:04]
  • “Everybody is not happy for your success, even though they watched you and what you did to become successful. They become envious.” [49:06]
  • “The street committee, which is Internet, they're not real.” [48:19]
• On giving back: “I can give you something out of kindness of my heart, but I don’t owe you anything.” [51:09]
• Jokes about “everybody got an idea” and the risk of funding other people’s dreams versus their own lack of investment.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Tyreek’s value, even post-injury:

  • Chad: “Even a Tyreek Hill that's not as fast as he once was is still faster than everybody else.” [02:45]

• On locker room trust & leadership:

  • Ocho: “Players will forgive a lot, but you can't leave them out to dry. You can't quit on them.” [04:21]

• Tyreek as a Hall of Famer:

  • Chad: “If Tyreek Hill was to never play another down in the NFL, he is a Hall of Famer. He is a first-ballot Hall of Famer.” [08:16]

• On pay and performance:

  • Ocho: “We get caught up in a lot... paying for what he was as opposed to what he is. Some things do increase in value, some things they lose value.” [19:42]

• On AB's on-field vs off-field:

  • Chad: “There's certain boundaries that I don't cross... always talked about him in high regard based on the relationship that we've always had. Not agreeing what he's done off the field, I don't agree with that. But the work we put in over there… it's been damn near 20 years now.” [38:06]

• On envy and success:

  • Ocho: “Everybody is not happy for your success—even though they watch you and could not say they had your ability...failure loves company.” [49:06]

• On the “street committee”:

  • Ocho: “The street committee, which is Internet, they're not real.” [48:19]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Tyreek Hill Dolphins exit analysis: [02:11–19:41]
• Trading for Tyreek; value and Hall of Fame debate: [19:18–24:54]
• NFL “most hated” list discussion: [25:50–33:07]
• Antonio Brown & player tolerance anecdotes: [33:07–44:17]
• Wealth, envy, and staying “humble”: [47:04–51:55]

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Tone & Style Notes

• Conversational, candid, peppered with humor, wisdom, and authentic player perspective.
• Both hosts use direct language and storytelling to drive their points home, with memorable slang and analogies (“old dog on the porch,” “burn the bridge,” “street committee”).

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Summary Takeaways

• Tyreek Hill’s release was more business than personal, but marks a major shift in Dolphins’ offense and his legacy.
• In the NFL, on-field performance is paramount but not immune to off-field reputation and locker room perception.
• Judging players isn’t just about stats or moments, but complex narratives—sometimes driven as much by media and fans as by actual events.
• True success, both financial and career, attracts admiration and, perhaps even more, envy—from teammates, coaches, and the wider world.
• The wisdom of “don’t burn the bridge” runs through both football and life advice from these industry vets.

Transcript

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[Ocho Cinco]

The Dolphins have released Tyreek Hill today. Hill turns 30 SEC 32 on March 1 and was set to carry a $51.1 million cap hit in 2026, which have given him the highest cap number amongst non quarterbacks coming into the season. The Decision leaves Miami $28.2 million in dead money, but almost 23 million in cap space. By releasing Heel now Ocho, which team is the best landing spot for Tyreek? The Chiefs, The Bills or the Chargers?

[Chad Johnson]

I think Tyreek's nest move has to be his best move. Obviously, coming off of injury, going to a team where he's going to be utilized in the correct way. I think the Bills would be a nice place for him, obviously. I mean, you have Shakur, who was. Who was somewhat in that same position and being in the slot, but Tyreek being able to play on the outside, I like the Chiefs, The Chiefs also being able to use him, you know, the correct way. And, and it all. It all comes down to how healthy is he going to be when he's recovered, you know, even. Even once he goes to rehab. Even a Tyreek Hill that's not as fast as he once was is probably still faster than everybody else. I think that's all what it's going to come down to. I think the Dolphins might have moved on a little too fast. Honestly, just. Just in. In my own personal opinion, they could have restructured and found a. That you get that. That salary a little bit lower with him coming off the injury. But to let a player of his magnitude go, which is a staple of your offense, obviously having a Chan. Having. Having, ah, God. Having waddle as well, I don't think they should have let him go. That. That's just my personal opinion. Obviously, being 32 and coming off injury, you know how.

[Ocho Cinco]

You know how this serious, serious injury.

[Chad Johnson]

Injury.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Announcer]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

That ain't. That ain't just no acl. He tore a lot of ligaments and he broke his tibia.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I understand, uncle, but rehab, the resources, the access to some of the methods, he has to get himself back to where he once was. I think that the chances of him coming back and being the Tyreek of old is possible. Even if he's not the same Tyreek of old, it will still be better than damn near 98% of the receivers in the NFL if he's used correctly.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, the writing was on the raw. I'm surprised they didn't move on the off season after what had transpired the last game. Ocho, we talked about this. The one thing you can't do as a player, players will forgive a lot, but you can't leave them out to dry. You can't quit them. When things are going. When things are going bad, that's when your best players. That's When I need Ocho to show up and be his best. I understand Ocho. We're not going to the playoffs. I understand Ocho. You're not going to get your customary 90 catches, 1300 yards. But don't quit on me. Don't be a guy that when things are going good, they go great and when they go bad, they go terribly, horribly wrong.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

And so I thought they would move on in the off season because I knew he would never have the same trust in that locker room that he once had. Go ahead. Oo, can I.

[Chad Johnson]

Can I tell you something? I can tell you why they didn't move on. They didn't move on because they understood his value. They understood his true value. Despite him giving up, despite him quitting in that, in. In that, that, that, that previous season. We can't let someone like this go. Look at the numbers he's put up. Look what he does for us offensively. He makes everyone else job around him that much easier because we have to. Everyone has to focus on him in game so it opens up everything else. So of course they were going to let him go, but now that he's injured, now that he's hurt and it's kind of up in the air, you don't know what you're going to get once he's back healthy. You know what? Now we can let him go. But you never find another one.

[Ocho Cinco]

Let me ask you a question.

[Chad Johnson]

You'll never find another player like that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Do they make the playoffs with him? They can miss the playoffs without it.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, we can say that about a lot of players on a lot.

[Ocho Cinco]

Of players, but at $51 million and I told you that said Ocho, but.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, you wouldn't get 51. You would restructure that, though.

[Ocho Cinco]

You would restructure, have moved on. Oo, because he. He's not going to be the same guy in the locker room. They're not going to believe in him. The coaches, staff don't believe in him. There's a reason they didn't give him the C again. There's a reason. Oo, you know that. That you've got to do something really, really bad, something really egregious for you to be a captain. One year, him being the player that he is, and then all of a sudden he's not this. He's not the captain. Because nobody's gonna let. Bro, how you the captain? You quit of all people. If I give Ocho to see, I'll get if damn near my leg broke. Hey, man. Hey, Doc, what? You think it's broke? Ocho, can you tape it up? Can I still go? Can I, Can I, Can I run a stop. You're gonna do everything you possibly can because you understand the importance of that seat. You understand the importance of that leadership. And the guys look to you. Once that transpired, I said, it's never going to be the same. You know that. I know that. Everybody knows that. Now people try to make it all you old school. I'm telling you in the. Quitting is the worst thing that you can do to have a. In a team game. Because if you're by yourself, you're a golfer or a tennis player, who cares if you quit, you withdraw.

[Chad Johnson]

You withdraw.

[Ocho Cinco]

You. Oh, you got an injury and you can't continue. Okay. Hey, no. Who's that?

[Chad Johnson]

That.

[Ocho Cinco]

Who was that with that? Somebody had a. Oh, Djokovic was playing somebody in the semifinals, and the guy, he was up two sets to love and he had to withdraw because he had an injury. Okay, Injury. He couldn't continue, but as a team. And the thing was, Ocho, he was healthy and one of the guys and. And it got out that Waddle asked him, hey, Reek, you done? You can't. The problem is what you have if you restructure at what number? Because he's going to deem it disrespectful. First of all, he's going to deem it disrespectful that you're cutting his pay based on what he's done. So now what is the number that you and the team that's coming. You know, the team is looking to be here. Tyreek and are looking to be here. Can we find somewhere in the middle?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, obviously, obviously, at some point, I'm not sure when it's going to be. You're going to see Tyreek Hill post videos showing how healthy he is. You're going to see him running. You're going to see him running routes, lateral movement, being able to accelerate, being able to stop, being able to transition and do some of the things he once. He once was able to do. I think once those videos are posted on social media, then you're going to understand, okay, he's back. He's back. He might not be Tyreek of old, but even, Even the same Tyreek of old, even if he loses the step, he's still faster and almost better than 98% of those that play his exact position. A lot of people, they mistake and allow the off the off field stuff to kind of Camouflage what he's done on the field right now. If he was to try today, he's a Hall of Famer. If Tyreek Hill was to never play another down in the NFL, he is a Hall of Famer. He is a first ballot hall of Famer. For those who don't know and probably.

[Ocho Cinco]

Said, oh, shut the hell out, get away from that first ballot. After they put to Coach Belichick in.

[Chad Johnson]

I, I, I, I, I understand, I understand. Because they allow all stuff to overshadow what players have done on the field. Look at what he's done on the field. Look at his numbers to date. And obviously knowing Tyreek, being 32, as fast as he is, he's probably not going to slow down anytime soon. Based on what the way we've seen players come back from even gruesome injuries like this, I think he's going to be all right. But I, I feel he's a Hall of Famer based on what he's done thus far to date in NFL.

[Ocho Cinco]

I, I, I think the thing is also, oo, I think he should take his time. I think he had this injury. I think he did it in week four. So he's about five months into his surgery. Excuse me, rehab. He should be in no rush. You said his next move should be his best move.

[Chad Johnson]

That's got to be his best move.

[Ocho Cinco]

I agree. Because the one thing, okay, he left voluntarily, Kansas City to go to Miami. Miami. He doesn't leave under the same circumstances. The last thing you want to happen, Ocho, is you go somewhere and then after a year, they move on. So now what's the, what's the thing? He ain't the same player. So you start to bounce, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, Naughty ping pong you. And that's the last thing they want because like you said, he's coming off a gruesome injury and he's 32.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I'll tell you what y' all do.

[Ocho Cinco]

Realize, I mean, he was running, he was running 4:3 at 31. So yeah, I agree with you, Ocho. I don't know if we've ever seen a player this fast have this gruesome of an injury. So we really don't know what he's gonna be when he gets back because that's a lot of downforce, that's a lot of deceleration and acceleration. If he can still accelerate, can he still get in and out of those breaks with the quickness? Can he still put fear?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey.

[Ocho Cinco]

Go ahead. Can he still put fear? Go ahead.

[Chad Johnson]

Now Fat, Fat. Come here. All right, go ahead.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, I was just. I, I think that's, that's the biggest thing. We've never seen a player with this kind of speed to have this kind of gruesome injury. Because the acceleration and the deceleration, because you may, hey, the faster you go, because normally guys that run really fast, hey, they have to throw that blank on there to get in and out of the blades. That's not what Tyreek does. He can decel. He could accelerate and decelerate with the, in the, in the same.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

So it's going to be very, very interesting to see, but I would take my time. I'm in no rush. I'm Tyreek. My resume speaks for itself. Yes. And they're going to ask him, you know, they're going to bring him in, they're going to ask him what happened in that situation. They always do. They always do.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't, I don't know. I, I, I, I, I don't think so. I, I don't think so. Understanding, knowing what he can do, it's about moving forward. I, I don't see them rehashing the past, because the past is not going to help what you're trying to do and what he can do in helping a team right now and trying to reach their end goal, especially the Kansas City Chiefs. Based on. Yes, based on, huh? Based on, you know, them missing the playoffs last year and having struggles at that position, I think they'll be happy to bring him back. Especially with Eric B. Enemy knowing how to use them the right way.

[Ocho Cinco]

Let me ask you a question. And Chad, y' all can chime in. In a regular job, if you get fired of your, a regular job and you go to a new job, they ask you what happened in the old job? Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

You know what? I like it, but it's a, it's a different environment with, with different leaders where he doesn't have to be that main one. You got, you got my homes. You got some of those other fellas over there.

[Ocho Cinco]

When you got the Coach Belichick, what did Coach Belichick ask you?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, he asked me nothing. I know what he did say.

[Ocho Cinco]

What do you say?

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, welcome, welcome, welcome to the, to New England. You know, you're gonna have to change who you are to be here, so.

[Ocho Cinco]

But you don't think, ask him anything about what transpired.

[Chad Johnson]

He's already been there and he's already been there, huh? He's already been there. He's just coming back home.

[Ocho Cinco]

He's Been where?

[Chad Johnson]

In Kansas City.

[Ocho Cinco]

I get Kansas City. Kansas City. No, look, Kansas City. Saw somewhere.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, right. If he goes. If he goes somewhere else beyond that, what I'm saying.

[Ocho Cinco]

But what if he doesn't go to Kansas City? What if he goes to Buffalo? What if he goes to the Charger? I'm not saying go into a familiar situation. Right. They knew. They took Tyreek, knowing what had transpired beforehand, so they have an understanding of who Tyreek is. But San Diego, excuse me, San Diego, Louisiana. The Chargers don't.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

Buffalo does not. Maybe any other teams does not. So I need to get a sense, I need to get a feel to make sure this situation doesn't arise again. Go ahead.

[Chad Johnson]

Right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't. I don't think we have any issues. Obviously, the off field stuff, it overshadows what he's done on the field.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, that was on the field. That wasn't off the field. I looked at the divorce and the kids. I don't care nothing about. Hopefully. Hopefully.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

The allegations about DV isn't true. I hope the kids. The kids, hey, that happened. I don't. I don't care. I don't care if he got a baby. One baby mama, two baby moms. They ain't got nothing to do. I don't care about that. But what we're. I'm only. I'm only talking about what transpired the last game of the regular season when he was fully healthy. Yeah, that's it. And I'm not chat. And I don't want you to. Look, I'm not trying to minimize it. I'm just saying we're talking about. Because all that. And they might even ask him about that. Yeah, but I'm talking about on the field play. That's what Ocho and I are discussing. Yes. DV is bad. And so I'm not trying to. Cause y' all know you're gonna try to parse words and it'll clip it and say doesn't care. I do care, but I. I'm not asking him about that because I can read and I'm gonna ask him. Who knows? Maybe they call. Maybe they call her. I don't know. Maybe they get the police report and deduce what they can from that. Or. All I'm saying is, is what transpired the last game of the regular season a year and a half ago, that's what's going to be the major concern for teams. All the teams. Maybe not Kansas City, because they know who Reek is. Andy's Very familiar with him. Brett Veach is familiar with him. Obviously, EB Is familiar with him. Kelsey Mahomes, everybody. I saw Chris Jones, Cheetah had the club.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

So. But I'm just saying, I. I think in a situation like that, Ocho, you can ask those questions because it'd be.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

You know, a great person to be had on tonight would be asked to. Because to went from San Fran. He went to Philly. From Philly to Dallas. Dallas. So did they ask you anything about what transpired at the previous stops? Right.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, you know, it's possible. It's possibly. They can. I'm sure it'll be an easy question that he won't have a problem answering. Obviously, being a player, you know how you can get frustrated, but there's certain things you really can't do, especially wearing that seal in your chest. And it got to him in the moment. He was upset. I'm not sure what was going on. I can't remember that previous game or who they were playing. But he was frustrated, especially offensive, because he wasn't being able. He wasn't being used the way he felt he should.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, I think the thing is, Ocho is the first time and maybe since his rookie year that he didn't get a thousand yards. You know, you as a wide receiver, you measure your success by a thousand yards. Let me get that thousand, and then I'll deal with it. Hey, I might only have 50 catches, but if I got 50 catches for a thousand yards, that's 20 yards. Good. I'm Gucci.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I'm good. Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's.

[Podcast Announcer]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

And so I think that might have played a part in it. And when you're at that level, you see all these young guys, you see what Chase doing, You see what Jetta's doing, You see what pukas do it. You see Ocho?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

As we start to get older, we see those young dogs coming.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, yeah, man. Pretty soon I'm have to get my ass on the damn porch. I can't even run with them no more.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

We had an old dog when I was growing up. Ocho. Hey. Oh, Joe boy. That was his name. Joe Boy. Joe boy got old. The other dog be running in the yard. He just bark at him. Basically said, I remember I used to be able to do that, but I got to stay up here now.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he can't move no more.

[Ocho Cinco]

He can get off the porch to go out there and do his business, but that is, he ain't running with nothing, and he Definitely ain't going hunting with those, with those other dogs. But I wish Tyreek the best. I, I thought for what he's been able to do on the field, the way he turned himself from a gadget guy, a guy's getting, you know, some, some shovel passes, some jet sweeps of, you know, flea flickers here and there, a return specialist, and to turn himself into a preeminent receiver, that's dedicated, that's hard work. We all have our flaws. We've all made mistakes. But in this situation, I, I commend him on what he's been able to overcome to turn himself into the receiver that he became. And so I wish him the best. Nothing but going to forward. But I agree with you 1000%. Take your time. You should be in no rush if this thing doesn't happen. I mean, it don't have to happen the first week of my, you know, the signing period is second week of March. Ocho, I ain't got to get with a team. I ain't gonna be able to do anything anyway.

[Chad Johnson]

But the one, one thing about it, I think it's going to happen before that when the time comes. I think, you know, teams especially that need a receiver of his caliber again, even coming off injury, understanding the value that he can bring once he is healthy. A lot of teams can use that asset. A lot of teams. And you know what, Just not to go off topic, I love talking about Tyreek. Speaking of receivers that, that need to be utilized in the right way. That is, is another Matthew Golden.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Matthew golden had that same, that same type of. I, I don't understand what they're doing over there in Green Bay, but I just, I just felt like throwing it out there. They need to utilize him the right way too, because they use him as if he's just a gadget player and he can do somewhat of the same thing Tyreek can. He just hadn't figured it out yet, if that makes sense.

[Ocho Cinco]

Plus, I think the thing that players get caught up in is that teams do not get caught up into this. Hold on. We're about to invest 15, 20 million dollars. I don't. I mean, maybe it would incentive. They can get to that number. You have to, you have to set aside what a guy once was.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

And actually pay him and value him on what you believe he'll be.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

We get caught up in a lot. We get caught up sometimes in that oo. We get caught up. Oh, I remember, I remember, I remember. And we paying for what he was as opposed to what he is what he is everything. Some things do increase in value, some things they lose value. Hey, I just saw it.

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[Ocho Cinco]

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[Ocho Cinco]

Enzo Ferrari I think it was on Mecum that went for 16 million. Yeah, the end zone, the yellow. It was yellow. I think it was one I think it was one of one.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

But they're skyrocketing. They're skyrocketing.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

And so I. I think for me, that's. That's what. I think that's what teams are going to look at. I think they'll give him decent money, Ocho, but I think it's going to be a lot of. It's going to be incentives.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. And knowing him, I think he's a player that will be able to hit those incentive, especially if he comes back anywhere near like what he once was.

[Ocho Cinco]

Miami traded the first round, traded a first round pick, a second round pick, two fourth round picks, and a sixth round pick to acquire Cheetah in 2022, despite Tyreek having two productive seasons in Miami. In hindsight, what do you think, Ocho? You like this trade? Yeah, I like it. From a monetary standpoint, that's it.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, yeah, but it's You. You would never be able to get that anywhere else, huh? No, you would never get that, be able to get that anywhere else. This is one of the best receivers, not just of this generation. He's still one of the best receivers of all time. Of all time. I. I think people. People need to understand the run that Tyree's. Tyreek was on before his injury. This ain't just no. Anybody. So, I mean, this. It was worth it. And they. They got what they wanted. Obviously, the end goal is always to. To. To win a championship, but there's so many different. So many other holes that need to be filling before we can even think about talking about a championship down here in Miami any damn way.

[Ocho Cinco]

So now. Now, I don't know. It's gonna be hard because just think now, Ocho, he has two more Super Bowls with another super bowl appearance. Now, maybe he doesn't have 1799 and 1700. Maybe he's around 13, but he has three 1300 yard seasons. Now, Ocho, we looking like. Hold on, man. Tyreek got like 12,000 yards. And another bloop.

[Chad Johnson]

Bloop.

[Ocho Cinco]

Another two Super bowl rings. Hey. And another all. Hey. I don't know, Ocho, you might be right. Even though we have some issues that. And don't let anybody fool you. They say they're not supposed to look at off field issues. It all depends on who it is.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. You know, they. They move the goal, the goal post for who they want to.

[Podcast Announcer]

You know that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

You understand that. And it's. It's unfortunate that they. They've been given that kind of power to be able to control the narratives and. And. And tell the. And. And have. Be able to finish your story in their own right. They just have too much power to me. And I don't like politics. If I wanted to play politics, I would have been a politician. And it be everything become political and not what you've done on the field. Which is why it just. Just. It is what it is.

[Ocho Cinco]

You'd be a great politician. Just lie. Just tell the people. Just tell your constituents what they want to hear. They'll vote you in, and then they get comfortable. That's why these people 80, 80 plus years old that's been in office for 40 years.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

But, you know, it's crazy. Look, they say lady Justice. Lady justice supposedly have a scale. So it's justice supposed to be balanced and it's supposed to be blindfolded. But every once in a while, she be peeking. Ocho. Oh, I see you. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

All the time on you.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey. All the time. And. And depending on it when it comes to that, too. Now, you. Certain people. Certain people play by different rules.

[Ocho Cinco]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

Certain people play by different rules. And. And we can see that's going on right now. I'm. That that's not the kind of talk show that we do have. But as you can see, there's a huge story going on. And there are certain people that play in a whole different ball game.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And run their own system where the rules don't apply to them.

[Ocho Cinco]

Ocho. Here's the list. Back to the NFL most hated players. Here's the full list from Vegas insiders. Can you see it?

[Chad Johnson]

No, I. I can't. If asking. Just text that to me so I can really chime in on this. I like this. I want to see who's hated.

[Ocho Cinco]

Josh Allen, he number 17 for the most hated, but he's number one for most loved. Kenneth Gantt is number two for most love. Cam Ward, number three, Bo Nicks.

[Chad Johnson]

Number four.

[Ocho Cinco]

Ty Robinson is number five. Jaden Daniels. Six. Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones is number five most hated, but he's the seventh, the most loved. Russell Wilson's number eight. Most loved. Justin Field, number nine, Aaron Rodgers, number 10, Sam Darling. Baker Mayfield. Trevor. I don't know who put this head on. Trevor Lawrence, but this ain't Trevor Lawrence.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, I got. I got. I got the list in front of me. And most hated, obviously being Jalen Hurts. Jake Moody. How in the hell did Jake Moody. How is he the most. Who the hell voted on this?

[Ocho Cinco]

Don't start me. The line.

[Chad Johnson]

I Mean, hey, listen, I can understand Luther Burton. Luther Burden has had some issues, you know, some issues, obviously, on social media, a lot of people going back and forth. Hey, Unc, no disrespect, but people hate Cole Strange, bro.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm thinking he a tight end, right? Ain't he a tight end from, from Jacksonville? He from Jacksonville or Miami?

[Chad Johnson]

I see Miami. Miami. Desean Watson. I mean, we, we understand Tyreek Stevenson.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay. I'm trying to figure out how these offensive linemen and some of these players.

[Chad Johnson]

Like, like, bro, you know, some of this really doesn't make sense to me. Most of the time, players that are hated are those that have, are always at the forefront or those that are very active. So, so this is, this is confusing me. We see Justin Fields on here. We can kind of understand why people hate Justin Fields. Obviously dread the jets not having any success. Anthony Richardson, the ups and downs and that he's had in his career. We can get it. Shemar Stewart, we can see Bengals fans being upset at him. I can understand why he's made this list. Aaron Rodgers, I mean, he rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Obviously. Either you like him or you don't. There's really no in between with him. Zach Wilson. Who doesn't like Zach Wilson? I love Zach Wilson.

[Ocho Cinco]

What?

[Chad Johnson]

Anybody that doesn't like Wilson, there's something wrong with you.

[Ocho Cinco]

He don't even play.

[Chad Johnson]

I, I. Again, exactly. Why do people not like Zach Wilson?

[Ocho Cinco]

Cooper Rush.

[Chad Johnson]

What? All right, I see Joe Burrow on, on this list. I think people don't like Joe Burrow because, I mean, I mean, for very, for obvious reasons. I mean, Joe Burrow, he has a, he has a supermodel as a girlfriend. I mean, he looks like a damn supermodel his damn self. And he's the quarterback of the best team with the best dual. Dual threat. And I understand why they hate him. Yeah, this, this is a cool list. Hold on. Why is, why the hell is Cooper Rush on here?

[Ocho Cinco]

Tell me. So we both know why.

[Chad Johnson]

Josh Allen all the way at 17? Why is Miles Garrett on the most hated list? What is there to hate? Unless you're a Steelers. A Steelers fan and you're still holding what happened with him between him and Mason Rudolph against him. That's pretty much it. And Cam Ward. What the hell did Cam Ward do? What did Cam Ward do to be.

[Ocho Cinco]

On the list of most number three for most loved?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, this, this, this app makes absolutely no sense.

[Ocho Cinco]

Look at Josh Allen. He number one for most love. Kenneth Grant.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I don't I don't know. I don't know. Who made this? Hey, who the hell is it? That ain't Trevor Lawrence. Who is that with the dreads?

[Ocho Cinco]

Don't. Don't start.

[Chad Johnson]

They got Travis Hunt. Oh.

[Ocho Cinco]

And that ain't Travis Hunter either. Oh, it is. Yeah, it is. It is.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. Yeah. Hey, that.

[Ocho Cinco]

That.

[Chad Johnson]

That. That list is weird. It's kind of weird. You kind of understand why some people hate certain people. Obviously, Jalen hurts. He get his. His hate is.

[Ocho Cinco]

Is.

[Chad Johnson]

Is. Is. Is well renowned because people do it publicly, whether. Whether it's players, whether it's analysts, whether it's pundits and where there's fans. But. But some of the people on here, it just.

[Ocho Cinco]

It.

[Chad Johnson]

It makes no sense.

[Ocho Cinco]

No.

[Chad Johnson]

What the hell did Josh Moody do? What did Jake Moody do? Excuse me?

[Ocho Cinco]

I mean, Rashad Slater got hurt. Why you hating him? The man got hurt.

[Chad Johnson]

Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones barely even talks. I barely heard him. I barely hear him talk. All he does is he leaves New York, he goes to goddamn Indianapolis and changes the trajectory of that franchise until he got hurt. I don't know. It's a confusing list.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, yeah. Jake Moody was the guy that kept missing those. He missed those kicks for the 49ers. Remember, they released him because he. He was hooking. He was. He was kicking. Issued in the San Francisco Bay.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, okay, so. So It's. It's the 49er fans that. That hate him then, obviously. Okay.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm assuming everybody. It's the fans that voted on this. You know, they didn't get no team vote.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, that's messed up. Hey, that's funny. Hey, that's funny. As long as I'm not on the list, that's all that matter.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, Jerry Jones became a Hall of famer in 2017, but he says it never would have happened without the presence of one key player. Jerry said, I have a gold jacket. I wouldn't have the gold jacket. Had Michael Irvin not played for the Cowboys, in a manner of speaking, to be involved and be around winning mentality or that winning physicality. When Michael says it, I listen.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah. I like. I like Jerry giving Mike praise, you know, for him getting his gold jacket, but, hell, if Mike didn't play there, he still would have got that gold jacket regardless. Jerry.

[Ocho Cinco]

Michael. Michael was a heartbeat. He was the heartbeat of that team. That Michael was. And it's not very often that the leader of your team was a wide receiver, but playmaker was it. He was. He was the heartbeat of that. You see him on the sideline. It's Michael that's getting. Paul's getting in everybody's ass. This Mike. I mean Troy where every once in a while. But normally it was Mike, right? Do your damn job right. Packers running back Josh Jacobs spoke about playing with Antonio Brown with the Raiders in 2019. This is what Jacobs had to say. He be in meetings on his phone and he ain't even hiding it. That he's on his phone. The only person to go out there in the field and never mess up a play. The hardest worker ever.

[Chad Johnson]

That's always been him, Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's always been AB how you Ocho? How you on in the meeting on your phone?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, when he touched that field, you know what you get? He's one of the hardest workers. You got to understand me and AB. Me and AB been working out together since 2001. Every off season. He wasn't even in NFL yet every off season. So I already know why the product on the field looked the way it did. Because we all work the same way. We work the same way every single off season. I'm not sure at what point in our career did things go that way because I understood what it took for us to even get to the NFL. I don't know. When he went off track a little.

[Ocho Cinco]

Bit, you became great and kept that same focus. He became great and they let stuff slide. Production intolerance so when he missed a meeting, living on a prayer.

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[Ocho Cinco]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Ocho Cinco]

They let it slide when he was late for practice, they let it slide. Remember the last game of the season? He was supposed to play and he was late. He showed up 30 minutes before they supposed to kick off. He and Mike Tomlin deactivated. Remember that? So that's the difference what you did is that you became great and you still showed up on time. He used that time like, damn, okay, I can get away with stuff. That's the difference.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, he was special, though.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes, I believe he came. He had another 300 catches in him, another 3,000 yards, another 30 touchdowns. Yes, he did.

[Podcast Announcer]

He was.

[Ocho Cinco]

But he got high on his own supply. You got to realize, Ocho, what the Steelers let you get away with, they weren't gonna let you get away with that at no place else. What your first relationship let you get away with, nobody else will because they know the backdrop and they know how it ended with them. So even though we let you get away with it, you see what happened. So I got to hold you accountable. Everybody knew the story, the man they had to walk through in the hotel. Ocho, how do you miss a walk through in the hotel ballroom? You in the hotel. Ocho, Ocho, we got a meeting going on in your backyard. All right? Damn. Everybody there. What the hell, Ocho, it's in your backyard. How you miss that, right? It just, and, and it just got. Got to the point he, he, he didn't get it. He didn't get it. I wish there was someone that could have reached him that could have that AB had a five year, six year stretch that you could put aside alongside Jerry's Tio Randy Laugh is Gerald, Tori Hope. Whoever the receiver is, whoever your favorite receiver is currently, AB had a five, six year stretch. That arrival, anybody that's ever played that position, anybody played in the NFL, ain't.

[Chad Johnson]

Ain'T nothing like it. Ain't nothing like it. And one thing, one thing that I've always done is obviously I understand the stuff that happened on, you know, off off the field, being a very, very, very good friend of mine. But there's certain, there's certain boundaries that I don't, I, I don't cross. You know, allowing people to mature, allowing people to grow within their own right and not trying, not wanting to interfere in what they have going on because, you know, you have people surrounding you and you don't want to somewhat, you know, butt into people's personal business and personal space. So AB is one that I've always allowed to spread his wings and do and do his own thing, but I've always been a huge advocate for what he's done on the field. Always and always showed love. Always talked about him in high regard based on the relationship that we've always had. Not agreeing what he's done off the field, I don't agree with that. But the work we put in over there, it's been damn uncle. It's been damn near 20 years now.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Just think about where we came from to where we ended up and to how it's going now. I wish it could have been different. I wish it could have been different. And he has time to right his wrongs. Yeah, he has time to write his wrong. Still now it might not be on the field.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, that's that once he threw those paths in the stand, then he did what he did in the Meadowlands or, or yeah, what, Just State, whatever, whatever they call it. Ocho, it was over. His career was effectively over. After he said what he said about Tom. I, I could have never done that. After that man took you in, allowed you to stay, I could have never done that. But the problem is Chad, like, well, oh, okay, you, oh, you say production intolerance. But you see, what happened is, is that if he'd have been on the roster the first week of the season, that 30 million becomes guaranteed. So if he don't have the guarantee, any behaving like this, Ocho, how's he gonna be when he got 30 million guaranteed?

[Chad Johnson]

On point?

[Ocho Cinco]

No, he's not. No, he was making money in Pittsburgh and he wasn't on point. He was showing up late. He was doing all that stuff. So you mean. So if you. So in other words, you just told us last night, if you can't manage a thousand dollars, you can't manage a hundred thousand. So in other words, he's getting. He's getting preseason money and behaving like this, what happens when he gets 30 million fully guaranteed?

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, I see. I see what you're saying.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm just using what you said. That's what you told Chad. What did Ocho say last night? If you can't manage a thousand dollars, you can't manage 10,000. If you can't manage 10,000, you can't manage a hundred thousand. If you can't manage a hundred, a thousand, you can't manage a million. So the man making fifteen hundred dollars a week in pre. In training camp, you mean to tell me that now, all of a sudden, he ain't gonna be on his phone in meetings when he's got 30 million guaranteed? He's gonna show up. That's in the hotel ballroom. Hey, go ahead.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, can I ask you a question? Being on that phone, right, in the meeting rooms, missing that walkthrough, right, when that whistle blow at one o' clock on Sunday, what you get on the field?

[Ocho Cinco]

See, you see, you got a singular focus. I gotta run. I gotta manage a team. Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I'm gonna answer the question. What do you get when he gets on the. He played well, where it matters. We got a lot of. We got a lot of people be in the meeting rooms, right? They don't be on their phone. We got a lot of people show up to the meetings on time, but on Sunday, they ain't worth a goddamn.

[Ocho Cinco]

So in other words, you. In other words, you'd have tolerated that? Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Like. Like the Steelers did all these years. Why?

[Ocho Cinco]

Because.

[Chad Johnson]

What is he giving you on.

[Ocho Cinco]

And then. And what happened?

[Chad Johnson]

And what happened? What?

[Ocho Cinco]

They got rid of him. He goes to the Raiders. What did the Raiders do? Got rid of it. Okay. Goes to the Patriots.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, wait. Hey. At the Raiders. Hey. He would.

[Ocho Cinco]

We talking about the Raiders. This is the Raiders story.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, I'm talking about the Raiders. Oh, I was just. I was just speaking in general.

[Ocho Cinco]

So he. So he leaves you. You thought he learned his lesson. But I said this in 2016, when he went Facebook Live in the locker room after they beat the Chiefs. I said, boy, they created.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

I said, they don't suspend him. They've created a problem that they're not going to be able to harness. And I be damn. But anyway, that's neither here nor there. Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, but the funny thing. The funny thing about it is, is if we talk about, you know, the issues and the behavior most of the time, when, you know, also the owners in general, the teams, the coaches, when you have a player that's that productive, a lot of this stuff slides for a very long time. It slides for a very long time. And he's just not. He just happens to be one of the cases, you know, there, there are many cases. I'm talking with some of the greats, the elite greats that have had these same issues over the years. And we hear the stories all the time. Obviously, there's no need to bring it up right now, being that we're on topic of just him in general, but some of us, some of us are able to do it the right way. You were able to do it the right way? I was able to do the right way. Pushing the envelope a little bit. I love pushing envelope on without crossing the line, if you know what I mean.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes, I knew.

[Chad Johnson]

I knew what lines.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, Crossed.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm gonna get to the line, but I ain't gonna jump off.

[Ocho Cinco]

How about this, Ocho? You get to the line and look over it. You don't step over it. Oh, no. I can see everything I need to see. Looking over the line, like, yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I, I, I, I, I understood. Listen, is that window of opportunity I had in the NFL, people don't understand. I was a thinking man. I understood. It was merely a chess match for me. How can I maximize everything I can out of this small window of opportunity? Right. Without burning the bridge? Because I'm going to need this bridge later on in life, and I tell you this all the time. I'm going to need this NFL bridge. I'm going to need this entity to be able to continue to push me forward in things that I want to do outside of the game of football. I understood that. So I'm gonna piss him off a little bit. But there's certain lines I refuse to cross because I know I'm gonna need you later. Yes, I know I'm gonna need you. So I was, I was, I was playing their game, doing it my way. But understand, I'm still gonna need you on the back end. So I'm not gonna burn the bridge fully. I, I, I' ma light it, but I ain't gonna burn it down.

[Ocho Cinco]

Ocho, he, he got the numbers that he got. Ab had another 300 cat easy. He had another 2,000, 3,000 yards in him, easy. I just wish somebody could have got to him. Say, Ab, do you realize what you're costing yourself? And I look, and they gassed him up because you remember he got on. Yeah, Ab, you free. That man can't tell you what to do. That's a grown ass, man. Why you tripping? You all gassing this man up to lose 30 million.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

I, I, I just never, I never understood that. I'm a grown man. I get that it's your grown, but you, when you working, when you working on somebody else's job, you have to, if they say, yo, your shift started this time, you have to be there at that time.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get this way of thinking. For some of us, it's not all of us, but some of us think like, oh, as long as I do my job. No, bro, it don't work like that. It does not. It does not. And the moment they get an opportunity, they're gonna let you, they're gonna let you go because you don't got comfortable and you're never gonna see it coming. And then the thing is, you're never gonna get treated in the second place like he got treated in the first because after a couple of instances of, a couple of incidences with the Raiders, what happened, Ocho, they let him go. One incident with the Patriots, they let him go. Tom Brady goes in there, vouchers. Do you know what it takes for a quarterback of that ill to vouch for you?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. He understands the value that you can bring in, help make it, make my. You're gonna make my job easy. Come on.

[Ocho Cinco]

Now then you do come on down here to Tampa.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I can't even remember what happened, but I, I know it was something, but that's crazy.

[Ocho Cinco]

I, I just like, I just hate that this man, He was special. He was special.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Ocho Cinco]

And I think not enough. At the end of the day, he grown. At the end of day, he grown. But I don't think he had enough people around him to hold him accountable. And if the worst thing that can happen is that you go on social media and you let them gas you up, people that's never going to be in your position. People that would love to be in your position, and they telling you what they would do. What? Man, I wouldn't do that either. A b. If they were in that position, they do just the opposite.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Especially if they were that good. Especially that. Especially with that good. I mean, it's easy for people to say what they wouldn't do when you can't do it, but when you can and you're that good at what you do, sometimes the thinking isn't logical as it is knowing you can't do it. Everybody say what they would do if they had $10 million. Well, it's easy to say what your ad wouldn't do when you ain't got 10 million.

[Ocho Cinco]

Everybody go, oh, man, I would. Man, if I had $10 million, I still live. No, you wouldn't. Ain't nobody made that kind of money and still live in the exact neighborhood unless it's middle class to upper middle class. So stop lying. I mean, y' all just say that because y' all think it make y' all sound good. Oh, I'm down to earth. Ain't nobody making 10, 20, $30 million driving the same car that they grew up with. You not buying a Honda. It sounds good. And on the Internet, like, oh, yeah, boy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're not. You're not. I don't know who y' all trying to convince, but I've, I. I've come to the realization that the, the street committee, which is Internet, they're not real.

[Chad Johnson]

What you call them?

[Ocho Cinco]

What?

[Chad Johnson]

I like that. That's a good one.

[Ocho Cinco]

But they're not real. They just say stuff and, and they hope somebody else picks up like, yeah, and piggyback that.

[Chad Johnson]

Right. And agree.

[Ocho Cinco]

What person? You know, Ocho, make 10, $20 million and stay in the exact same neighborhood that they grew up in. But it sounds good.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, it does. It does.

[Ocho Cinco]

Everybody is not happy that your success, that you were able. That Ocho was able to leave the neighborhood. Man, Ocho left, man.

[Chad Johnson]

He ain't.

[Ocho Cinco]

Man, I remember Ocho. He. Well, he right there in the Pokemon, right there in Liberty City. He have nothing. Everybody is not happy for your success, even though they watch you and could not say they had your ability, but they watch you and what you did to become successful and then become envious of you when you became successful. Put it to you like this, Ocho. A lot of times, failure loves company. Because if you're not careful, people, somebody be mad at you, and they'll get other people to be mad at You. Because they're not successful. They're not successful. So guess what? Now you got two unsuccessful people mad at you because you became successful. You see how that. That company, how they love each other?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Oh, they always do. Hey, up. We all got the same 24 hours. Now, what you choose to do with yours and what I choose to do with mine, that's on you. But I know. I'm trying to get to.

[Ocho Cinco]

But they get mad at you. Ocho, man, all you do is work. Then I have success. Man. Don't nobody need no house that size. So I guess I'm supposed to say at the same store I make it, I'm supposed to stay in the same thousand square foot cinder block home that I grew up in. As a matter of fact, why not just build our house? I don't need no running water, no indoor plumbing. You can't get mad at someone's success because they're willing to do what you want or can't. Sometimes it requires both. B O F, F. Both.

[Chad Johnson]

Both. And you know what? Another part I hate too is when you put all the work in. When you put all the work in, right, and you become successful, the people that had nothing to do with your success, all of a sudden, they act like you owe them something. I don't owe you.

[Ocho Cinco]

I can give you something out of kindness of my heart, but I don't owe you anything.

[Chad Johnson]

Owe you nothing. Absolutely not. The hell get you what?

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, pay for who? We. We.

[Chad Johnson]

You got an idea? Hey, everybody got an idea, huh? Everybody always has a brilliant idea on.

[Ocho Cinco]

What to do with your money. Man, if I had it. Well, God must be know something because he know you'd eff it up if you had it. So that's why he didn't get to you.

[Podcast Announcer]

That's.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's your passion. Okay, man, if I. Man, I have me a car wash, I have me a fleet of salons, okay? That's your dream. That ain't mine.

[Chad Johnson]

Definitely not. Definitely not.

[Ocho Cinco]

And then here's the thing, Ocho. I'm in. So where your money? How much you putting up? Nah, man, I'm gonna run it now. All you gonna do is run your mouth. So I'm fronting all the money and you ain't got. You got no skin in the game. Anybody doesn't have skin in the game, it's easy for them to walk away.

[Chad Johnson]

You ain't got to take no loss, nothing.

[Ocho Cinco]

Man, Somebody talk about Warren Buffett. Hey, y', all, your Warren. Let me ask you a question. How does Warren Buffett fly? Is he on Delta or do he got a 50 to 70 million dollar private jet? You see anybody else y' all care to mention?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, them, for them folk, they're a little different, man. They live different.

[Ocho Cinco]

And the thing is, look, when you got that kind of money, I mean, I mean, at some point in time, I mean, some people like land and, you know, they bought artwork or they buy cars, but they have habits. I guarantee you. Warren Buffett got something. I understand he got, you know, he liked to go to Dairy Queen and get a McDonald's. Yeah, like ice cream cones. He got something. He got some artwork. He got something.

[Chad Johnson]

He lived. He lived different.

[Ocho Cinco]

And I don't blame him. But guess what? Breaking news. Oh, Jacob said he ordered the calamari, but you. But you blame me. You ate. You were. You and Jacob ate both. I had one piece.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, calamari good, bro. I like me some calamari.

[Ocho Cinco]

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[Podcast Announcer]

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[Ocho Cinco]

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[Podcast Announcer]

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[Ocho Cinco]

The big thing about working at tech.

[Podcast Announcer]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Ocho Cinco]

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[Podcast Announcer]

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[Ocho Cinco]

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