BEST OF NFL Part 2: Talk TJ Watt’s $$$, Tyreek Hill NOT ALL-TIME WR?! | Nightcap

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Club Shay Shay: BEST OF NFL Part 2: Talk TJ Watt’s $$$, Tyreek Hill NOT ALL-TIME WR?! | Nightcap

Release Date: July 19, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Co-Host: Chad Johnson
Guests: Jerry Judy (Pro Bowl Receiver, Cleveland Browns), Jimmy Horn Jr. (Rookie Wide Receiver, Carolina Panthers)

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1. Opening Remarks and NFL News Highlights

Shannon Sharpe kicks off the episode by addressing recent NFL contract developments, primarily focusing on T.J. Watt's monumental contract extension.

• T.J. Watt's Contract Extension:

  • Shannon Sharpe [02:23]: "TJ Watt agrees to a three-year extension worth $123 million. He becomes the highest-paid non-quarterback in NFL history with $108 million fully guaranteed."
  • Discussion revolves around how Watt's deal surpasses Garrett McGwire's previous record and the implications for the Steelers' salary cap.

• Sauce Gardner's Record Contract:

  • Shannon Sharpe [02:25]: "Sauce Gardner with a four-year $120.4 million extension, making him the NFL's highest-paid cornerback based on average salary per year."

Chad Johnson adds commentary on the Steelers' strategy in retaining top defensive talent despite budget constraints.

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2. Steelers' Offseason Moves and Future Prospects

The conversation delves into the Pittsburgh Steelers' recent acquisitions and strategic moves to bolster their roster.

• Key Acquisitions:

  • Aaron Rodgers: Signing the veteran quarterback and the uncertainties surrounding his performance post-injury.
  • Jalen Ramsey & Darius Slay: Bringing elite defensive backs to strengthen the secondary.
  • DK Metcalf: Adding a dynamic wide receiver to complement the offense.

• Impact of TJ Watt's Deal:

  • Chad Johnson [07:18]: "He's paid around $108 million fully guaranteed. That's almost 8 years worth of salary."
  • Discussion on how Watt's contract affects the team's flexibility in future negotiations and player acquisitions.

• Steeler’s Defensive Identity:

  • Chad Johnson [06:52]: "The Pittsburgh Steelers are now defensively on paper, that is their identity."
  • Emphasis on leveraging a strong defensive lineup to navigate the competitive passing league.

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3. Player Contracts and Team Management

A critical analysis of NFL team management practices, particularly focusing on contract negotiations and player retention.

• Discussion on Player Valuation:

  • Shannon Sharpe [07:38]: "They could either pay me or let me go to get paid elsewhere."
  • Insights into how teams balance paying top talent against maintaining a balanced roster.

• Jerry Jones and Contract Delays:

  • Shannon Sharpe [11:21]: "Michael Parsons is going to be the highest-paid quarterback, and he's earned it."
  • Chad Johnson [12:50]: Speculation on how management delays contracts can lead to inflated salaries as market demand increases.

• Impact on Team Strategy:

  • Shannon Sharpe [18:15]: "Michael says the Cowboys are making it more complicated than it has to be."
  • Analyzing how complicated negotiations affect team dynamics and player morale.

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4. Spotlight on Jerry Judy: Pro Bowl Receiver

Shannon Sharpe welcomes Jerry Judy, a standout Pro Bowl wide receiver from the Cleveland Browns, to discuss his performance and future.

• Judy’s Performance:

  • Shannon Sharpe [43:08]: "Jerry Judy made his very first Pro Bowl last year with 6 receptions for 14 yards and had a breakout season."
  • Jerry Judy [28:20]: "I want to be at the top of my position. I'm just keeping focused and working on my craft every day."

• Transition to the NFL:

  • Shannon Sharpe [28:49]: "Why do you think it didn't work for you in Denver compared to your current success in Cleveland?"
  • Jerry Judy [29:04]: Attributes success to consistent quarterback play, health, and a stable offensive system.

• Future Goals:

  • Shannon Sharpe [43:07]: "What's next for you, Jerry?"
  • Jerry Judy [31:08]: "One of my biggest goals is having a winning season and reaching the playoffs."

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5. Interview with Jimmy Horn Jr.: Rookie Wide Receiver Journey

The episode features Jimmy Horn Jr., a rookie wide receiver drafted by the Carolina Panthers, sharing his experiences transitioning from college to the NFL.

• Draft Experience:

  • Shannon Sharpe [28:01]: "NFL ranked you number 82 after your 24th season. What should Cleveland expect this year?"
  • Jimmy Horn Jr. [48:14]: "It's really a mentality thing. Confidence and hard work every day."

• Transition to the NFL:

  • Jimmy Horn Jr. [49:46]: "Learning the playbook has been the most difficult aspect. The terminology is like learning a whole new language."
  • Chad Johnson [51:29]: "It's all about doing the little things right."

• Setting Goals:

  • Jimmy Horn Jr. [57:40]: "Catch my first NFL pass, aim for a minimum of 250 receiving yards, score my first NFL touchdown, and be top five in return average with no fumbles."

• Handling Media Buzz:

  • Shannon Sharpe [53:00]: "Did you hear the buzz about your performance in camp?"
  • Jimmy Horn Jr. [53:21]: Acknowledges the attention but remains focused on his goals without letting external noise affect him.

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6. Closing Thoughts and Final Remarks

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson wrap up the episode by highlighting the achievements of their guests and emphasizing the importance of hard work and consistency in the NFL.

• Shannon Sharpe [43:07]: "Congratulations, Jerry, on your Pro Bowl selection. Continued success!"
• Shannon Sharpe [60:08]: "Jimmy Horn Jr., congratulations on making the Carolina Panthers. Best of luck this season."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Shannon Sharpe [02:23]: "TJ Watt agrees to a three-year extension worth $123 million. He becomes the highest-paid non-quarterback in NFL history with $108 million fully guaranteed."

• Chad Johnson [07:18]: "He's paid around $108 million fully guaranteed. That's almost 8 years worth of salary."

• Shannon Sharpe [07:38]: "They could either pay me or let me go to get paid elsewhere."

• Jerry Judy [28:20]: "I want to be at the top of my position. I'm just keeping focused and working on my craft every day."

• Jimmy Horn Jr. [48:14]: "It's really a mentality thing. Confidence and hard work every day."

• Jimmy Horn Jr. [57:40]: "Catch my first NFL pass, aim for a minimum of 250 receiving yards, score my first NFL touchdown, and be top five in return average with no fumbles."

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Conclusion

This episode of Club Shay Shay provides an in-depth look into significant NFL contract negotiations, team strategies, and personal journeys of standout players. Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson offer insightful commentary on the financial and strategic aspects of team management while highlighting the rising stars in the league through engaging interviews with Jerry Judy and Jimmy Horn Jr. Listeners gain valuable perspectives on navigating the competitive landscape of the NFL, the importance of consistency, and the mental fortitude required to succeed at the highest level.

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24 hours after reaching a long term contract extension with Garrett Wilson, the Jets rewarded Sauce Gardner with a record setting contract. Four years $120.4 million extension 85.653 million guaranteed. The two time All Pro becomes the NFL's highest paid cornerback based on average salary per year at 30.1.

[Chad Johnson]

Well hell if Sauce just got paid Sertan then got paid. J.C. horn has gotten paid.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ramsey.

[Chad Johnson]

Ramsey Stingley.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well damn, who next Broncos may pass retain the Highest paid cornerback. Cornerback 24 million now less than basically a year later the defensive player of the year. He's already dropped the field. Damn.

[Chad Johnson]

You know what they gonna have to come let me. You know what the Broncos gonna do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Chad Johnson]

That you know that you know what they're gonna do, right? Certain is going to place up so well. I guarantee you management goes back and redoes it again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I guarantee you gonna take. Because you got to realize Ocho, he's still like. He still got two years left on the contract.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So they had a couple years.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, it's almost, it's almost criminal. It's almost criminal though. I'm, I'm, I'm not trying to be funny. I'm not trying to be funny. But it will almost be criminal for him to be ranked fifth when it comes to play. When it's, when, when it comes to he's the best.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's not not knock on any of these guys because I think Ram they're good. But I think for me, yeah, I, I, I got.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, I knew I already watched it. It's one thing for us to, to talk about him. It's one thing to watch it on TV to see what he does on espn. But to have all the fellas out here to actually play the position him every day and those that actually had to play against him to sit there and over have a 30, 40 minute conversation on how to beat this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's good for sure.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, so some sometimes, you know media hype people up, huh. And then you see him in person, you'd be like what the this is dad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He come from a background where they work. Ocho, you know, you go to Alabama, you know Nick Saban, you go work Nick Saban now.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, everything he's advertised to be he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is that he, he's for, he's for, he's for sure that.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We've got Jerry Judy joining us tonight. We also have Jimmy Horn Jr. Joining us tonight. But first the news of the day. TJ Watt agrees to a three year extension worth $123 million. He becomes the highest non paid quarterback in NFL history. 108 million of that is fully guaranteed. The four time all pro edge rusher in 2021 defensive player of the year. Tied an NFL record with 22 and a half sacks at 41 million per year. Watt deal sneaks past Miles Garrett record setting deal four years at $160 million agreed upon in March. Watt also leaps Foggs Jamar Chafe $40.3 million deal for the highest non paid quarterback in NFL history. Now there are no more lingering issues. You know Cam Hayward had his thing last year. He's in camp. Was standing on business. He's in camp. They signed. They signed Aaron Rodgers in free agency. They traded for Jalen Ramsey. They signed Darius Slay in free agency. They signed DK Metcalf in free agency. Pittsburgh out of excuses.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What can we expect from the Steelers this year?

[Chad Johnson]

Now I don't know what I'm gonna expect from the Steelers offensively. I don't know because I don't know what we're going to get out of Aaron Rodgers. We saw, we saw what he looked like with the jets, obviously one, one season having an injury again, I always say we'll see flashes of Aaron Rodgers. Offensively DK Metcalf is going to be one of those, have to be one of those players. Him and Calvin Austin iii. The type of receivers that elevate the quarterback's play. They have to elevate the quarterback play and always be on 10 offensively. But the Pittsburgh Steelers are now defensively on paper, that is their identity. You know the days of Antonio Brown is Antonio Holmes and Hines Ward and Ben Roethlisberg at the helm where they throw the ball.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Leon Bell. Those days are gone. Those days are gone. So their identity now in a passing league, in a past happy league era has now switched back to their identity being their defense. And they're going to have to play like it and they're going to have to win using their defense. They're going to have to lead them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like the fact that they got T.J. watt done. Yeah, I think everybody, I think everybody's happy. TJ becomes the highest played non quarterback.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Steelers get the years they want. They didn't want to go five, they didn't want to go six years. They didn't want to be. You know, we got this guy and we on the hook. He got a, he got a boatload of money. He got 108 million of the 123 fully guaranteed.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't care. Hey, you know what? I don't even want that. I don't that extra 15. I'm good. Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You gave this man on a three year deal, 108. So you gave this man damn near 8. What, 80. I don't know what that is. 87. 88 of the money. Guaranteed. Fully guaranteed.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. And you know, you hear. And some things I don't like. I hate hearing people say, oh, he's too old. He's over the hill. And I'm like, I mean, dude, like, what do we talk about? What do we talk about here? We talk about TJ Watt, because if it wasn't there, he'd get paid exactly that. Maybe. Or somewhere else, like stop playing. Because you know what you get? You know what you get with the product, you know, he's not falling off no goddamn cliff no time soon. It's not happening. He's not one of those type of players.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They thought enough of him. They didn't trade him. If you thought he was over the hill, why didn't they trade him, man?

[Chad Johnson]

You know, goodwill. They weren't letting that boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly.

[Chad Johnson]

Come on now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you, you don't, you don't get. I mean, theoretically, they could. Oo. You don't get to say I'm old, don't trade me. But then don't want to pay me, right? Nah, nah. One or the other. Either you pay me or allow me to go someplace else to get paid. I agree. He's one of those guys, the Terry Bradshaw, the John Starworth. L Swans one, you know, Mel Blunt, Lambert, those guys. Joe Green.

[Chad Johnson]

One helmet team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

One helmet guy, one team. Hines Ward, he, He's Ben Rothsberger. He's deserving of that. He's been a phenomenal player. He's been a model citizen since he's been in Pittsburgh. I don't have a problem with this. Like you said, Oo, he's 30. That make it seem like the dude. 35. He's 30.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait, he only 30?

[Shannon Sharpe]

30, man. Why?

[Chad Johnson]

They got me thinking, T.J. listen, I. I didn't look up his age. They got me thinking he was like 33, 34, 35 or something like that. Oh, man, he good, man. What we. Man, what the. I'm glad I didn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because the fan. Because fans listen to teams and it seems like 30. That was the 49ers. 49ers. 49ers. And you know, Branch, you know, go way back. If you look at them, they started getting off their guys at 30 because it's, it's. They look at it like if it's better to get rid of a guy as opposed to a year Late. And if you go back and look at it, study Coach Belichick history. He always got off guys a year early. He said, I'd rather be. Than have you rot on the vine.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In my vineyard. I'd rather you move on. I'd rather not have to pay that. Okay, But I don't think, I think T.J. watts, he's been a double digit sack guy basically his entire career. Yes, sir. He's been defensive player of the year. He's been hovering around defensive player of the year year after year after year. I think this is the right move by the Steelers.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And like you said, now you got Jalen Ramsey back there, they're probably going to kick Ram to the safety position. Now he can cover your tight ends, he can cover the. He can play the slot. I don't know who jumps in the slot. You can't have three guys outside. Somebody's gonna have to play the slot. Either Porter, Junior Slay or Ram. But maybe, who knows? Maybe they have a slot corner and they leave Ram at the safety position.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who knows? But I like, I like this move because I think TJ Watt had earned this. He didn't deserve it because they gave him this money. They didn't give him this money based on what he's done. They gave him his money that they still believe that he could play at an elite level.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And then you know what? You know, Jerry Jones is on the clock.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. My next question, how did this impact Michael Parsons? Because. Because you waited now, because you remember O.O. crosby, Max Crosby, he kicked it at 35. He pole vaulted a Nick Bosa. He went to 35 miles. Garrett said, hold my beer. He goes to 40. Now T.J. watts at 41. Yeah, you keep doing this, Jerry. You didn't learn your lesson with Dakota, so guess what? You did. You did the same thing with cd. You didn't learn your lesson with cd. You did the same thing with Micah. Now I know you do all this talking like, oh, yeah, Micah, blah, blah, blah. Mike ain't giving you no discount.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Michael. Mike. Michael Parson is going to be the highest paid and he's going to get more than what T.J. watt got fully guaranteed. And he's earned that. He didn't deserve it. He earned it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, Yeah. I just have a question for you. You might know better than me when it comes to owners and it comes to paying players, why do they do this? Why do they hold off? I mean, what is the point? In general, in general, I Mean, what is. What is the. What is it that they are doing or trying to get in order? What, some type of affairs? The books, the money?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, didn't we hear this thing that Pablo Torre about the collusion thing? We trying to keep these salaries down, Ocho. We trying to keep this guaranteed money down. What do you mean? What are they doing?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, okay, okay, okay. All right. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

After Deshaun Watson got that fully guaranteed contract, we. A lot of people thought that was going to probably be commonplace. They've tried to suppress that.

[Chad Johnson]

Ah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they will continue to try to suppress that. Hopefully. Hopefully Michael keeps. Keeps his foot on the gas. Nah, we're gonna keep this thing north. North. Heading towards the North Star. 42 million. I'm gonna need 42. And the next great defensive edge rusher. I don't know who that. Jared Vers J. Carter. I'm going 40. I'm going 43. And I'm going. And I'm. I'm gonna need whatever Michael got fully guaranteed. I'm gonna need that.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely. I. I love it. I love it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Michael seemed that. He said today that it's heading in a direction that it didn't need to head, you know? You know, and he spoke about Dax, supposed to get it done, and you wait till the last minute, and then you have to overpay Dak and you pay. See, you wait the cd and then you probably had to. You probably could have got CD for a couple of million dollars cheaper. You damn sure could have got Dak for a couple of million dollars cheaper.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

But you didn't learn your lesson the first time with that because you let him go all the way to the end of the contract, and then you was hoping he'd give you a deal like Jared Goff and, and, and, and, and. And Carson Wentz gave him. Even though they were first and second pick in the draft, they got the big signing bonus, and they came to him in year 3D. Prescott said, I'm at the end of my contract. These guys still got two years and two franchise tags. So theoretically, they got four years left. I got none. And you want me to give them the same deal? You want me to give you the same deal they gave their teams?

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely not. Absolutely thought by now he'd have learned his lesson, but Jerry hasn't learned his lesson.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, maybe. Maybe he's doing it on purpose because he likes, for one, the attention and the big splash he gets to make when it does. When he actually does pay the said player. Maybe he likes it this way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, I mean, you paying. I mean, think about it. You paying a quarterback, you paying your quarterback 60 million. That's more. That's more than all the top quarterbacks, all the top quarterbacks that's been in the NFC champ that's been in the championship game, that's been to a soup, that's been to. That's been to a Super Bowl.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's making more than my homes. He's making more than Lamar. He's making more than Burrow, he's making more than Josh Allen and people like, hold on, wait a minute. But that's what happens when you wait to the umpteenth hour to get something done.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I like.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Michael says the Cowboys are making it more complicated than it has to be. We obviously want to get a deal done early. We want the relief off our backs. But obviously ownership always going to make make it drag out, make it more complicated than it has to be. Lack of communication. I just never understand when guys come into the league. They are consistent and, and they perform well, why they got such an urge. But then as they have just one good year, maybe two good years, they get right away. And now you got T.J. watt, you got Max Crosby, all these other Guys are getting paid and you can't want with us take. You can't want us to take less because you wanted to decide to wait. What I tell you got to pay full.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, so they trying to play that game with him, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The longer you wait and see, that's what happened with Jerry. The longer he waited. All of a sudden 28 million wasn't the going rate for a quarterback right now it was 32. Now it was 34. Okay, he got the 30 me, the 30 plus million dollar, the 40 million dollar deal. Now all of a sudden it wasn't 45, 46, it was 55. So now he goes to 60 because you waited, you waited. You. Hey, you waited on, on Jefferson. So guess what CD Lamb like, okay, I'll take a dollar, a million dollar less a year, but I ain't going less than that. That right, Michael, have made it abundantly clear from the very beginning, my agent will, my representative will be handling all negotiations. We're not, I'm not coming to your house. We're not going out to have a drink, and I'm not signing anything. That's what I hired an agent for.

[Chad Johnson]

Would you say I'm not coming to your house?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I'm not coming to your house to eat no nachos and drink no beer. We're not that type. We're not that type of pot. We're not that type of party.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, try to, try to pull you in like they your best friend, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, yes.

[Chad Johnson]

It's business at the end of the day, may we always remember that that's the ultimate love.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you in a workplace environment, the ultimate love is currency. You can say, oh, he's a hard worker. I love this guy here. No, no, no, no. The way you show me you love me, the way you show me you appreciate me to break me off with moolah.

[Chad Johnson]

That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All that other stuff, I, I don't, I don't hear nothing you saying that.

[Chad Johnson]

Ain't nothing but dressing. Ain't nothing. Salad dress.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's white noise. Michael. Michael want his money. He's, he's, he's earned it. I mean, he's been defensive. He's been, he was defensive rookie of the year.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's finished second times, I think a couple of times. The defensive player of the year. He's always hovering around. And even, even his off year is double digit. Even his off year. Even last year he had a down year. He, I mean, he, he came home, but. And he probably had some things going on that, you know, he played through.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

With their hopes. And you know what? They're gonna take care of me because they know what I got going on. They know I'm banged up. They know I got a knee or I got something going on.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Podcast Host]

So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they gonna take care of me. Nah.

[Chad Johnson]

And this is, this is how they do it. Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thought it was a donut. Y' all tried to glaze me now Give me my bread. I need all that.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey. Thought I was a what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. Thought it was a donut that tried to glaze this man. So.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Michael is probably for a four year extension if TJ got three for 123. Miles got four for 140, right? Yeah, I'm at, I'm at four for 150. Oh, and I'm gonna need. If TJ got one or got 108, get fully guaranteed, I'm gonna need 125.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, well, that's that good money there, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, yes. I don't hear nothing that, you know, we, we. How we treat our players and all that. Yeah, you treat your players. Pay me. That's the only, that's the only language. That's the only language I speak. Washington and Lincoln and Jefferson and Chase. That's what, That's Grant. That's what I speak. I speak. That's the language I speak.

[Chad Johnson]

And, and, and Mike is going into his last year. Yeah. Or no, no, we got two more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think he is. I think, I think Mike is. I think Michael is. I think it's the fourth. Head into his fifth. They picked up his option.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Okay. I wonder, I wonder if they'll play around. I wonder if, I mean, knowing Jerry, ain't no telling how they, how they gonna rock if they, they let them play that last one out. You think so? I, I. Man, ain't no tell. Ain't no telling with them. Ain't no telling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I mean, you let you the way it is only 26.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, the way we value players based on what they can do, the owners don't really value.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he played on his fifth. Oh, he played on his 50 option. He came in 20. He came in in 21, 21, 22, 23, 24. He's on his fifth year option.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. And they said, well, if they hadn't picked it up, he could have been anywhere right now. Yeah, they knew what they were doing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He gonna be the highest paid.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know. Listen. I don't know what they're waiting on. That's the part I don't understand. I mean, why do they do, why do they do it with every player? I mean, they're not the only team, but I'm just saying I get why they.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you gave, you gave Dak and cd, so obviously you couldn't pay Dak, you know, that CD that and give Michael what he was worth. Right now you don't got, you got those other two guys out of the way. You got to take care of. You ain't got. I mean, you got, you, you don't have anybody else coming down the pipeline. Pretty soon you're gonna have your big offensive lineman, Smith, coming down the pipeline. You're gonna have to, you have to take care of him, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, my goodness. I, I, I don't, I don't know. You know, Jerry does things his way. He says he's the best at what he does.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's not.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, he says, he says he is. And there's no one else that's fit no. To run that team the way he does.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I go in my garage and I lay on the floor I'm a Mercedes no, I'm not I'm a damn fool laying on my garage floor Just got somebody to say some issues Just got somebody to say some ish. That'll make it true.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, that's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he not.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, that's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cowboys doc Trayvon Diggs $500,000 for not rehabbing with the team enough. Diggs is believed to be the first Cowboys player to see his base salary lowered. Because of it, the team had an option option to not enforce the clause, but chose to. Is this oo what are we supposed to, what are we making of this? Are they being petty or what are they trying to do?

[Chad Johnson]

They, they, I wouldn't say they're being petty. It's, it's that business we just talked about. It's that business in them understanding. Listen, we paying you a certain amount, we would like you here to rehab. We think we have the best resources and we would like to keep an eye on the re the rehab that you are doing to make sure you're coming along at, at a rate that is sufficient good pace. A good pace for us so you're able to contribute, you know, in season when it's time to actually play. I mean, when, Listen, that, that's tough. That's tough. That's, that's a, that's a gray area. You really don't want to play with not knowing what a team might want to do to you. Just, you know how they treat you when you're hurt now, you know how they treat you now if they're willing to keep you around, knowing how valuable you are and. And what you can do once you're on the field and you are healthy and they give you the opportunity to get right, I think. I think I would take advantage. Advantage of that. But obviously Trayvon Diggs, who is a veteran who has the same resources and the same maybe, maybe doctors and treatments and stuff, wherever it he may be and see fit in getting healthy there. But is it worth losing the money? I mean, but the kind of money they passing out now, that 500,000, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Something you run by the team. Oo because remember, it's being reported. We don't know if it's true or not, that one of the issues the Bucks had with Dane is that he wanted to rehab in Portland. He wanted to be close to his kid. And I probably think we're going to talk about it is that I think he's in negotiation to resign and go back to Portland. That's where his kids are, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

He did. You ain't see it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but I'm saying. I know they was talking about it, but I have some other stuff going on. But with that being said, that's something you run by the team. Is it going to be required for me to be trained to rehab here or may I be rehab elsewhere? Right, you run that by the team because at the end of the day, they pay it. They. They pay in the salary. Yeah, I mean, they. They pay. They paying you 20, 25, $30 million. And I think, you know, Diggs at one point in time was make. I think he makes $20 million a year. I ain't counting the man pockets, but I'm just saying that's something you get clearance from the team for. Right? Because like you said, ocho. 500, 000, you know, hey, dude, that's a good little chunk of change.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, I mean, to them. Judy, what's up? Why we can't see your face?

[Shannon Sharpe]

We can't.

[Podcast Host]

There we go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, there you go. Oh, okay. Hey, with no further ado, let's welcome Jerry Judy, former number one draft pick of the Denver Broncos, a performer Balitnikov award winner, former national champion with the Alabama the Roll Tide. There he is. Jerry, you were one of you, one of the guys that attended the wide receiver workshop. Obviously it was down in your neck of the woods, south Florida. Why was it important for you to.

[Podcast Host]

Attend this shot you know, it's always great to be able to be around a great group of guys, guys that at the top of their position. You know, I grew up watching Chad, so, you know, it was a very special moment for me just to be able to be out there and learn from him and all the other guys that was out there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

NFL ranked you number 82, the 82nd best player in the NFL after the 24th season. You were not even ranked prior to that. What should Cleveland expect this year? 82. So clearly you see that like 82. Nah, I'm trying to get on down. I'm trying to get down to the 50s. I'm trying to get to the 30s. I'm trying to get to the 20th. I'm trying to be. When they talk about the five best receivers, when they talk about the 10 best receivers, I needed them to talk about you.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, for sure that, you know, that's my goal. You know, I want to be at the top of my position. You know, I'm just keep grinding and stay focused and continue to work on my craft and work to be better than I was the year prior. And I'm still chase that each and every day and every year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, let me ask you this because I'm always. Because I look, when you came out in the draft, I said he's the best guy in the draft. And you were in the draft with Jefferson and you were in the draft with CD Lamb. So I'm not going to do hindsight and those guys are having phenomenal seasons. Why do you think the main reason it didn't work for you and, and, and, and, and I think I know the reason why. But I want to hear you said, I want to hear you hear what you have to say. Why weren't you able to replicate in Denver what you're currently doing in Cleveland?

[Podcast Host]

One I think, you know, just consistency just do throughout the whole offense, you know, and just a lot of moving pieces and a lot of stuff that I had to deal with when it comes to playing football, you know, such as injuries, you know, different quarterbacks, each in every game, different coaches, staff, you know, so that's something that could really affect a wide receiver in his, you know, but now that I got the opportunity to really, you know, had a healthy season, you know, being able to be that number one receiver, be that number one option and be able to be, get put into a great position, to be able to perform the way I've done, you know, you know, that's, that's all the receiver could ask for, for real?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I like it. I, I already know the type of season you're gonna have. You're gonna build off what you did last year. And it all comes down to being not only consistent, but when you are consistent. Consistency brings confidence. And based on where you from, you already know what happens when we feeling confident and it's time to play football. So I mean, I'm excited for you. I'm excited for what you guys are going to do with Joe Flacco and, and Shador Gabriel, whoever it is, whoever's at the helm.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

I.

[Chad Johnson]

To me, knowing what you can do at the receiver position, you make everyone else's job around you easy. I've said that to you in person. I said it to you, you know, before in general. So this season coming up, are there any goals that you've already set? Long term, short term, whatever it may be? Numbers, numbers wise? You don't have to say anything specific. I just, I just want to know what goals you have this upcoming season for you individually.

[Podcast Host]

Honestly, one of my biggest goals for it is just having a winning season. You know, that's, that's something that I haven't really done since entering the. Entering the league. You know, never reached the playoffs. You know, that's one of my biggest goals. So having a winning season and be able to reach the playoff, that's something I'm truly working hard towards and just being better than I was last year. You know, I had a great season last year, finished six in receiving yards and now I'm still trying to chase that number one spot and you know, and I ain't gonna stop till I get there.

[Chad Johnson]

I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Drew, you mentioned, you mentioned like when you're in Denver, there are a lot of moving parts, you know, a lot of quarterback, the quarterbacks in and out. You had a lot of offensive, you know, offense schemes. Now it might be a similar situation. You got Joe Flacco, who's the veteran. You got Kenny Pickett. They drafted Dylan Gabriel. The drafted Shador Sanders. Has body stood out to you to like okay this, this, this might be my quarterback that I might be starting with him. Have, I mean has anything, have you noticed anything? Has anybody stood out to you?

[Podcast Host]

You know we, I feel like we got a great. The biggest thing that, you know, I'm thinking thankful for just having a. Four great quarterbacks, you know, that's go out there and compete every day. That's that, you know, hey, come on with that. Yeah, I'm telling you what it is man. You know, we got Four great quarterbacks, man. They all been doing their thing for real. So, you know, I'm just, you know, my job is to make it easy. Whoever at the helm, you know, I'm just gonna get open for him and, you know, do my thing for real. I don't got no control over that, man. Whoever the coaches stand, choose, and whoever they pick to be the quarterback, you know, I'm just, I'm just make sure make their job easier when they throw.

[Chad Johnson]

Me the ball, you know, I want to know, go ahead, I'll let you go right now. I gotta sneak this in there because I, I love this young bull. I love him. Watching him play. He's tech. He's. He's. He's a technician. What is it like going against goddamn Denzel Ward? That's what I want to know. He can play some ball, man. Off, it don't matter what it is, man. He nasty with it.

[Podcast Host]

You know, this is a great db. You know, he's one of a few guys that really know how to, like, be so be patient without using his hands, being funny without using his hands. So, you know, that's, that's one thing that really separate Denzel from, From his skill set. You know, a lot of guys that don't use his. Don't use their hand really kind of struggles. So he got feet, you know, great awareness when the ball's in the air, you know, and he's a scrappy dude for sure. You know, he a real ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ball player.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I like, I like Dan, look there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, obviously you mentioned that you dealt with some injuries, you dealt with the, the quarterback play was not up to par, and where you were in Denver, you had a lot of different schemes. And Steve Smith Jr. Who's a friend of the show, you and him had some words back and forth. Have you guys. Have. Have you guys been able to. To. To. To work out your differences behind the scene?

[Podcast Host]

Honestly? No. You know, you. Man, you know, I ain't. It is what it is, man. I ain't really too stressed about that. It's old news, you know. You know, he. He things in the past, man. I, I said some things in the past, you know, but my goal is always approved. I know who I am at the end of the day, you know, and I, you know, I proved it last year to. So I ain't really. I ain't really focused on none of that, man. That's old news to me, for real.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When I watch you at, When I watch you at Alabama, obviously there are a bunch of talented guys. You win the Balitnikov Award in your sophomore season. You win a national championship. I mean, I think you caught the game. What the game went in. Touchdown. Well, the game. I think you got the lead against the SEC championship, against Georgia, I think. Wouldn't that when Jalen Hurts came in and threw you the ball and you made the diving catch?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah, that was. Was that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. 2018, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so I'm looking at. I'm looking at you, Jew, and I'm like, man, technically, sound can run. And so. But for me, sometimes I'm like, damn, dude, you try to do too much, man. Just shake the man and go on about your business. You ain't got to shake him three times. I mean, you already made him look bad. You. Hey, just go ahead. Just. Just the one time. Just. Just poop on him one time and go about your business. Do you do. Do you. Do you have. I mean, there's a clock they gotta go off. Whether you running out, you running the end, you running a comeback, you running a hook. It don't matter. There's a clock. How you. When you go out there and let's say, Denzel war. You had great competition in college because you had parcel tame. You had to deal with heavy college. And I'll be damn if he ain't come join you in different. So you got an opportunity to work with one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL. So ju. When you going out there and somebody lines up across to you and you have a certain route, tell me what's going. Tell. Tell our listeners and our viewers what's going through your mind.

[Podcast Host]

First, you know, I just gotta, you know, gotta know the play, know where I'm at on the field, you know, first. Then I. When once I line up, you know, I look at the safety, see. See where the coverage at? You know, look at the safety. Then I look at the leverage of the DB in front of me. Depending on my route. Then I just think about the technique of how I'm gonna run this route. Depending on if it's a slant and he outside leverages, I'm. Am I going to spray him and attack his leverage and make him think I want to go outside and get underneath, or if he outside inside of me, if I'm going, or I'm just quick jam and take it in, you know? You know, just a lot of different things that just go through my mind, you know, if that don't. If those don't work, you know, his.

[Chad Johnson]

Reaction after that, hey, how much freedom, June, now that you've had a great season last year, most of the time you have officer coordinators. They call plays or they have places to call. They want their schemes run exactly how they. How they're drawn up on paper. How much freedom? Are you allowed to do things your way just a little bit? Like, obviously, when you have a certain route, you're supposed to be plus two, do they let you cheat the split a little bit just to throw the DB off so he doesn't know what's coming? Because most of the time, it's all about reading and understanding based on what you see in watching film. And most of the time, everybody just lines up in the same spot. The only thing that throws things off is the formations are different. Do they give you a little freedom to change your splits and play with things a little bit now that you know the offense?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I think that's one of the reasons I had success in Cleveland. Just they let me out there and let me be free. They.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Podcast Host]

They know that I understand the game pretty well. They know how I know how to beat leverages. I know what they want in the offense, know what they want me to get to. I feel like that would. That would cause me to have success, you know, so Coach Stefanski and the coaching staff did a great job, which is allowing me to play my game, you know, and just be able to win on every route they want me to run. They know I know how to run every route in the route tree, you know, they know I could get open, so they allow me to do that.

[Chad Johnson]

That's lie. That's dope.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There used to be one time, Jew, that Alabama was the unquestioned wide receiver. You. Now, you got LSU saying they laying claim to that. You got Ohio State laying claim to that. So who has the real wide receiver? You?

[Podcast Host]

You know, I'm gonna always stay boss and stay true to my teammates. I'm a 24 7. I ain't gonna never change up. You know, it's always gonna be Alabama. But not for real, though. LSU been putting out some guys. Ohio State got some great guys in the league, you know, and guys coming up, you know, like the guy Jamiah Smith, you know, it's a lot of great talent out there, for sure, bro. You know, Alabama go always be on top.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you got? Ojo?

[Chad Johnson]

I. I was gonna say, I mean, went. It went Alabama and Alabama had a string of them back to back because.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, they came with Julio and they came with. They came with Calvin Ridley. And then they got Jew, and they got Rugs and they got Waddle, and they got Devonte Smith. So they had a run. And then lsu, they came back. Here come. Here come Jetta, and here come Chase, and here come Malik. Neighbors. And here come Brian Thomas Jr. Hey. And Ohio State said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What about Marvin Harrison? What about Jackson? The jig book? What about Garrett Wilson? What about the. The guy in New Orleans? I forget his name. What's his name?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, Chris Olave.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chris Olave. Hey, they. Whoa, whoa, whoa. We got. Hey, we. Hey, we gotta raise our hand, too.

[Chad Johnson]

Now, the funny thing about it is, is Ohio State might take that torch back once Jeremiah Smith come out in two years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, he got one more year. He got this one the next year.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I said two more years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah. This one the next year. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, boy, that boy. That boy there.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, cold, real Florida boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you this. Why Alabama? I mean, you got Miami, you got Florida. Yeah. I mean, they're. They're. I mean, you got Florida State. I mean, lsu. I mean, Ohio State. What made you decide to choose Alabama?

[Podcast Host]

One reason was, you know, I. I truly didn't want to stay home. You know, I've been home like that. Home is home. I just wanted to experience something. Something different, you know, Alabama. I never expected Alabama, you know, Alabama was just a team that just, like, it was just in my heart, Alabama was the right spot for me, you know, And I grew up watching Amaro Cooper, you know, I played.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I forgot about Coop. Yep.

[Podcast Host]

Cool. I grew up watching Amara Cooper, you know, and I. I played with Calvin Ridley, and I see all the hard working, great things they did up there, Alabama, you know, and I felt like I could do the same thing once I get up there. So, you know, thank God I chose Alabama. For real?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Do you guys get an opportunity to go back? Because you see, like, in basketball, you see the Duke players, they go back and they work. They go back to Duke and they work. Do Alabama. Do the receivers? Did y' all get a chance to go back down to Alabama and. And help? Because I was talking to Ozzy Newsome, who was a great wide receiver, turned into a great tight end, went to the hall of Fame, and now he's a Hall of Fame exec. He said their job, he said, what we tell the guys is each one teach one. So if you leave, you come back and you got to tell them, hey, this is what we expect. This is how we do things. This is how we continue the great Play at Exposition. If you. You guys do something like that in Alabama.

[Podcast Host]

Honestly, I haven't been back to Alabama since, like, my rookie year, you know? And, you know, it's different now. The whole coaches have thing. Coaches theft done change, you know, so it's different, different coaches. I. I do need to go back out there, you know, and just, you know, say some things, but, you know, I never had a chance to really go back out there.

[Chad Johnson]

I like it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you.

[Podcast Host]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

You. How much. How many. How long y' all got before y' all go to camp? You got about another week or two weeks.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, we. We back on the 22nd, man. We right back to it, man. I'm ready for the grind.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you gotta.

[Chad Johnson]

But you got a few days. Okay. Okay.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. It won't be long. It won't be long. Drew, thank you, man. Thank you for joining us, man. Continued success. Glad you're healthy, man. Hey, I'm glad you got somewhere because, like I said, I was very high on you when you came out. I thought you were phenomenal, the way you could beat man coverage, the way you set routes up, you run a route with anticipation. Like, I still got something in my back pocket in case I needed a later date in time and. But I'm glad. Wish you wish we could have had stability at the quarterback position, which we could have had stability at the head coach of position. And you're doing what you're doing in Cleveland. You could have done that for the Broncos. But, hey, I'm happy to see you doing well. I'm happy to see. See you achieve what I always knew you had in you, sir.

[Podcast Host]

Thank you, man. I appreciate that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For real.

[Chad Johnson]

You have a good season. Hey, tell Denzel Ward, man, he don't want no smoke. Me either, man. Even that 57. That's whatever.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I see you still got it. Once I seen that account, you still got a little sun.

[Chad Johnson]

It's there. It's there, huh?

[Podcast Host]

You know, I was a DB back in my days now, so don't. Don't. Don't let me get started.

[Chad Johnson]

Don't do it to yourself. Next year. Next year. Put your. Put your. Put your shoes on.

[Podcast Host]

Then I'll be back out there next year. I'm gonna see you.

[Chad Johnson]

All right, Bet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right. Congratulations, man. Continued success and. All right after that season, you come back and you lead the league in reception, receiving yards. Come back and holl at us again on Nightcap.

[Podcast Host]

For sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We'll do all right. Appreciate it, bro.

[Podcast Host]

All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jerry Judy made his very first Pro bowl last year. Guys he was 6 in receiving yards, had his breakout season. Guys, he said the thing that contributed to that he got consistent quarterback play and he was able to do some big things because I thought he was phenomenal coming out of the University of Alabama. And so it's always great to see guys be able to transition, to take what they've been able do in college and then transition and carry that over into the NFL. Oo. So it was glad to see him start to live up to the potential and the ability that we knew he possessed and now he's getting an opportunity to shine in Cleveland. Well we got someone joining us early tonight. Oo we got Jimmy Horn Jr. Who's the wide receiver out of University of Colorado, had had a half speed we could see like when he get the ball in his hands. Hey, good luck trying to get him on the ground. Jimmy, thanks for joining us man.

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[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Yes, sir. What's on, fella?

[Chad Johnson]

Jimmy, what's up? Why were you at.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

I'm out here in Carolina, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, y' all getting ready to go to camp? What, tomorrow?

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Nah, we start back on Monday.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You start back Monday? Okay, look, the word on the street is, like, one of the most impressive young guys in camp is Jimmy Horn Jr. What have you how, why? And how have you been able to have such great success that you were six round draft picks and you know, they gotta have a first. They took a receiver, McMillan. They took him in the first round. They have Xavier Leggett, they got. What's the guy, Ocho from, From Minnesota.

[Chad Johnson]

Vikings. From the Vikings, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Adam Thielen. They got feeling. How have you been able to make a name for yourself so, so, so quick?

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Jimmy, man, it's really like a mentality thing. Like I just come out there, like I know personally that don't really that. So like I just got confidence. I just go out there with a confidence, you feel me? And I really just learned from the guys ahead of you, you know, just picking a game and just coming out there being myself, you know. And then every day I just kind of practice hard, you feel me? Like just part of the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know that because in the program that you was in last you land for a couple of years. Coach prime, he'll worker, he believes in working hard, but he also believes instilling confidence in his players. And you ride him. It's hard not to be confident. And it seems to me if listening to you talk, you're like, I'm him. Yeah, I know they took me in the sixth round, but y' all gonna see why they should have took me higher.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. The funny thing about it, if, for those that are in the chat, that are watching, if you know football, if you understand the game, especially to receive a position you already know, Jimmy Horn was not a six round type of player. No, we talk about a round one around two based on his skill set and his ability to run routes, create separation and what he can do once he got the ball in his hands. But listen, this is a good thing. If they took you in the sixth round, that means you get to get to the bag even faster though. You get to get to the bag even faster. So, you know, don't trip. I just want to know as, how has the transition been? What is the difference between being at Colorado and now being a Carolina Panther? I mean, what has been. I want to say the most difficult thing to learn so far.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Really has been that playbook, man. It's been that playbook for sure. It's crazy, really. Like, yeah, the way coach prime ran the program, it was already kind of similar to like how they run it in the NFL, so.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

It's kind of similar in that way as the schemes and stuff like being ran. But the plays, the terminology is like learning a whole nother Language that you already.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All that verbiage.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Too much.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And, you know, the thing is, you got to be on it, because ain't no. Ain't no pickup. Because we put. We install it. We install one day, guess what? We got a whole set of plays the next day, and we got a whole set of plays the next day, and we got a whole set of plays today.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So if you fall behind, dead fly, you get crazy. You said something about. I heard you say something earlier. You say, like, Coach prime kind of ran a lot of this. How so? So help us understand. How has Coach Prime. Because Coach prime come. You know, even though he came with a. With a pro background, you look at a lot of his coaches, they were pro coaches. And so how has that helped transition? As Ocho mentioned, transition as fast as you've been able to do it. How? Coach prime, coaching style, his system, his discipline, everything about it, because it's a pro style, because he's got. In getting guys that are good enough to get to the next level, he's getting them prepared for that.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Right? I said it's really, like, the biggest key is really, like, doing the little things right, you know what I'm saying? That's from going to class, making sure your grade is right, you know what I'm saying? Showing up to practice on time, making sure your salt's a certain length, you know what I'm saying? Like, little small things, and once you get them down pat, it may transition it easier.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They just did. Carolina drafted McMillan, number one draft pick out of University of Arizona. What's it like? Xavier Leggett? I mean, we mentioned Adam Thielen. Now you. And. And because of the buzz that you created for yourself, you know, they gonna. They don't want to see what you. They want to see what you got come preseason. So you're gonna probably get a. You're gonna probably get a lot of burn. Are you excited? They're like, man, I mean, it's kind of like, I'm in the NFL. But if you really get your NFL moment, until you going against other guys and you see them, you got your Carolina helmet on, and they got their team's helmet on, and you like, man, I'm really in the NFL. Okay, okay. It's still football. Let me go show them what I.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Yo, see, I ain't get that feeling yet. Like, right now, I'm at the mood. Like, I ain't satisfied with, like, where I'm at. You feel me? So I just, like, I'm real excited to get out there. You know what I'm saying? Like, especially missing, missing the, the last train account. I'm just ready to get back out there and just showing what I could really do, you know what I'm saying? I got so much potential left in my game. I ain't at least all that yet. So that's what I'm. That's what I'm most excited to show.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I like it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what's. What's the difference between an NFL wide receiver room and a collegiate receiver room?

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

The dealt, the deal, and then just the dealt for sure. They ain't taking all them guys out there on that bus. You gotta find a way out there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

You gotta find a way, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But it seems like, it seemed like early on, Jimmy, you did an excellent job because after like the first day of camp, the most impressive rookie was Jimmy Horn Jr. And from that point on, did. I don't know how much of the paper you read, I don't know how much you watch get on social media, but did you hear the buzz that you had created for yourself?

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Yeah, I seen it, man. Every time I'm scrolling through tits, I just keep saying different clips and stuff for me, but like, you know, I try not to. Try not to let that stuff get to me. You know what I'm saying? I ain't playing no real game. Yeah, I feel like I ain't do nothing yet.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, the way you look in practice, the way you practice, the way you practice and what people see in practice, it's going to be the same exact thing on game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, I ain't trying to toot you home because you're here, because I said the same thing when I seen you that got down in Colorado. When you can run routes, when you already polish. The funny thing, this is why they was raving about him when he got to Carolina, because he's already polished as, as a receiver. So he coming in, he coming from Colorado, so they expect him to look a certain way. And they were. God damn. Why is he popping out looking different from everybody else? I mean, that. That's neither here nor there. But like you said, you ain't unleashed what you want to yet. Obviously you missed a previous training camp, huh? Yeah, yeah, but, but you, you got that, man. You're gonna be straight, man. You're gonna be straight. I, I don't seen it. I. I know what it's supposed to look like. And you've displayed that already. All we got to do now, when the lights on, just do what you normally do ain't. It ain't no different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you have an outstate. Your quarterback was the number one overall draft pick two years ago. This would be his third year. You know, things didn't go as well as he had hoped, but he got his rhythm. He got an opportunity to sit and watch. What's it been like working with Bryce?

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Young man, it's been a pleasure to work with Bryce. You know, like picking Bryce Brand. Bryce smart man. And like Bryce real smart and like he know the game. He could break it down to you. And Bryce, he real accurate too, man. He nice. He real nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your former teammate, the world watch you win the sixth round, but your teammate Shador, your quarterback, had a phenomenal season. Had ph. Phenomenal two seasons at, @ the University of Colorado. But you watched him slide. Okay, the first round and then you see the second round and then you see the third round and then you see the fourth round and the fifth round. At any point in time when he's going through that process, did you reach out, did you send him a text like, hey bro, keep your head up. Anything like that?

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Not that I remember. But like, oh, when I was watching it with my peoples and stuff, we just sitting there watching it like, dang, dang. That's all he was saying, Dang.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

That's all crazy. But it's all right though, you know, everything happened for a reason. God got a plan for each person.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, today ESPN released their corner rankings voted on by coaches, scouts and executives. Number one rated cornerback was Pat Certanda. Second number two, Daryl Stingley Jr. Number three, Denzel Ward. Number four, Trent McDuffie. Number five, Sauce Gardner. Number six, Christian Gonzalez. JC, JC Horn, Jalen Johnson, Quinon, Mitchell, Devon Witherspoon. Of those names, which one you cited to say, hey, come on, get this work.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Oh Lord.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, man, talk that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause you go, you. One of them is your teammate. JC's on the list, he's number seven. So you go get some great work every day.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Every day. That one kind of work every day. Man, that boy come to work every day.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, that, that. Oh that. That'd be fun.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I wish I had your schedule. Pull up your schedule. See how many of these guys on the list that you're going to actually go against. Now Those are the 10 best. Now just don't think just because you don't see somebody name up there, don't make the mistake that I made. I made the mistake, you know, I underestimated someone, right?

[Podcast Host]

And.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And when I left the game, I had three catches for 14 yards. I said I'd never make that mistake again. Oh, Joe. I said I'd never make that mistake again. So. Yeah, you respect everyone. You underestimate no one and you'll be just fine because every. If you're in this league, everybody in this league can make everybody else in this league look bad.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What. What are you expecting? What are you hoping for your rookie year? What. What's. What. What would Jimmy Horn Jr. Equate to a successful rookie campaign?

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

For my rookie. Yeah, I got it in my notes right here. I'm finna real my tea.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I want to hear. Come on with it.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Like so, like for my own field goals, like when I catch my first NFL pass, I want to start from there and get a minimum of 250 yards. You know what I'm saying? But just to start off zero draws and then perfect the route tree.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

And score my first NFL test now and make sure. Make sure I'm in that dealt the rotation. And then for the return goals, lock my roll land as a punt return or kit, return one, take at least one return to the crib. And then I'm trying to be at least top five forever for return average and no fumbles on the return. And then for. Like I mentioned, I just want to be prepared for whatever come my way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I like that. Already got some goals down you go against. Christian Gonzalez is on your schedule. Sauce Gardner is on your schedule. Devon Witherspoon is on your schedule.

[Chad Johnson]

I need that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So couple of the guys that's on that list. You'll get an opportunity to see them this year. Hopefully.

[Chad Johnson]

A matter of fact, hey, you want to do them. You want to do them a real solid, you know, as a, as a. I'm here before the week before you play each one, right? Jimmy, ship them boys. Assign jersey you to the stadium and address it to them. Make sure you sign that ain't no more. Yeah, sign it and like ahead of the game, give him a little gift.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got a nice little. You got a nice little thing, but I like that. I like you already. You already got your thing down. I didn't. I didn't write no list down until I got out of camp. I. Like hell my number one thing would make the team. Let's start with that. All the, all these goals, they tell me, hey man, I got my goal. I said now my goal is to make the team. I write all that other stuff down a little later. Later. Date time.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

That's for sure. Number one on my list. Make that. Make that team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For sure.

[Podcast Host]

That's for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, Jimmy, thanks for joining us, man. Congratulations. Great. A stellar college career, getting an opportunity to go play in the NFL. Now, your journey, hey, it doesn't end going to the NFL. Your journey starts all over again. So good luck, stay healthy, and when you get an opportunity to come back and talk to your favorite uncle and. Oo.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Hey, man, my last thing. Never mind. Let me go ahead and get up off here before I get it cut.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you. What you want to say?

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Hey, on sand. Who all on here, man? The whole world.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How many people we got in the chat?

[Chad Johnson]

We got about. About 9,000.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, we got about 9, 10,000 in the chat.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Hey, what y' all think is the perfect time to get you a lady in the lead, man?

[Chad Johnson]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question. Did you have her before you got to the league?

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Couple of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Couple of the deck. You gotta let. You gotta let one go shoot one uncle.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

They. Hey. Process and elimination.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, no, don't, don't even do it. Don't even do it. Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy. Don't, don't, don't do it. Don't do it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you know what? We're gonna get you. Talk to you off air.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, yeah. Don't, don't, don't do it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We're talking to you offline.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

I knew I.

[Chad Johnson]

Don'T do it.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Hey, let me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

I just threw that out there to mess with y' all real quick.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, there's always a little truth to it, you know, every time I. I feel. I know you're going with it, but. Yeah, lock in. Don't, don't do it. Have your fun. Nothing serious. This come first. Your girl, your lady is that Panther and everything that come with it and everything that come with it. That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So, Jimmy, congratulations, man. Getting drafted, going to the Carolina Panthers. Best of luck this season. Stay healthy and come back and talk to us soon, bro.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

All right? For sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, man.

[Jimmy Horn Jr.]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jimmy Horn Jr. Carolina Panther. Former CU Buffalo. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I'm your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. My partner and co host, Liberty City is on the guy that wants to start a streaming for 45 to 54 and 54 to 65 demo. Even the best of luck with that. Chad Oo SEO J. Please make sure y' all hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like button. And guys go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from, each and every subscriber matters. Thank you for listening, thank you for watching, and thank you for word of mouth of spreading Uncle Nocho Nightcap. Greatly appreciate that. Make sure you check out Shay by La Portier. We do have it in stock now. If you cannot find it, any city or state near you, hey, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go follow my media company page on all of his platforms. Shay, Shay Media and my clothing company 84. With 84 being spelled out, that link is the chat supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours while supplies last. We want to send a special shout out thank you to Jerry Judy, the Pro bowl receiver from the Cleveland Browns and Jimmy Horn Jr. The rookie out of CU that's doing really great things. He was in many camps. Let's see if he can carry that over in the training camp and into the season for the Carolina Panthers. So thank you Jerry Judy. Thank you Jimmy Horn Jr Jr. For joining us tonight and thank you for watching and listening Nightcap with UNC and Ocho. We'll see you on Sunday. Okay.

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