BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 1 Part 1: Shedeur/Browns QB Drama, Saints already cooked?!

Summary

Club Shay Shay - BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 1 Part 1: Shedeur/Browns QB Drama, Saints Already Cooked?! Released on August 12, 2025 by iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media

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1. Browns Quarterback Controversy: Shador Sanders vs. Dylan Gabriel

The episode kicks off with an in-depth analysis of the Cleveland Browns' quarterback situation, focusing on rookie Shador Sanders and Dylan Gabriel. Hosts Chad Johnson and Ocho Cinco delve into Sanders' impressive performance during the preseason, emphasizing his ability to lead under pressure despite limited practice reps.

Key Points:

• Leadership and Composure: Sanders demonstrated remarkable calmness and leadership qualities, effectively managing the team during critical moments. Ocho Cinco remarks at [04:27], “He looked like he belonged. He looked different,” highlighting Sanders' readiness to take on a starting role.
• Performance Under Scrutiny: Despite the small sample size, Sanders showcased his potential by executing several scoring drives. Chad Johnson notes at [06:27], “He got two sacks. Like I said, we can nitpick a couple of things. But he scored tonight. I'm gonna give credit where it's due.”
• Browns' Decision-Making: The hosts critique the Browns' reluctance to give Sanders more opportunities with top-tier offensive players. Ocho Cinco argues at [07:24], “What do you think gonna happen when he has the main characters in there around him? That makes your job a little bit easier.”

Notable Quotes:

• Ocho Cinco [05:31]: “Can you be a leader of men? Can you go in calm, show a presence of leadership, run the team?”
• Chad Johnson [09:29]: “If you get injured and you're out and a guy comes in and he's playing better than you before you got injured, it's his job.”

2. Saints' Quarterback Woes: Spencer Rattler Struggles

The discussion shifts to the New Orleans Saints and their quarterback dilemma, particularly focusing on Spencer Rattler and rookie Tyler Shook.

Key Points:

• Rattler's Inconsistency: Spencer Rattler's performance in the preseason has raised concerns about his ability to consistently lead the team against complex defenses. Chad Johnson expresses skepticism at [52:31], “Spencer Rattler's style of play will eventually get him cut and a coach fired.”
• Tyler Shook's Emergence: Despite a pick-six, rookie Tyler Shook showed promise by outplaying Rattler when given the chance. Ocho Cinco mentions at [29:22], “preseason opener… rookie Tyler Shook comes off the bench and outplays Rattler.”
• Impact on Team Dynamics: The Saints' reliance on versatile players like Alvin Kamara and Chris Olave may mask some of Rattler's weaknesses, but the hosts emphasize that consistent quarterback performance is crucial for long-term success.

Notable Quotes:

• Chad Johnson [55:32]: “I don't believe that quarterback is on their roster.”
• Ocho Cinco [56:35]: “I think quarterback number one is Spencer Rattler. I don't see a rookie beating him out.”

3. Historical Reflections and Personal Anecdotes

Chad Johnson and Ocho Cinco enrich the discussion with personal stories and historical references from their NFL careers, drawing parallels to current quarterback challenges.

Key Points:

• Past Experiences: Chad shares memories of playing against formidable quarterbacks and the importance of consistency and preparation. Ocho echoes the sentiment by emphasizing the significance of performing under pressure, regardless of the situation.
• Player Comparisons: The hosts compare current rookies to seasoned veterans like Tom Brady, illustrating the impact of opportunity and preparation on a quarterback’s career trajectory.

Notable Quotes:

• Chad Johnson [21:07]: “The biggest thing that an athlete can have is the ability to believe that he belongs.”
• Ocho Cinco [17:30]: “He's a winner regardless of what situation you put him in.”

4. Future Outlook and Predictions

Looking ahead, the hosts speculate on the potential outcomes for both the Browns and Saints, forecasting how their quarterback situations might evolve as the season progresses.

Key Points:

• Browns' Path Forward: Sanders is expected to gain more reps with top offensive players, potentially securing a more permanent role. The hosts argue that his preseason performance indicates he deserves more opportunities to prove himself.
• Saints' Strategy: The Saints may continue to juggle quarterbacks until a standout performer emerges, with Rattler needing to demonstrate greater consistency to secure his position.

Notable Quotes:

• Chad Johnson [34:31]: “Until we see Sanders get practice reps with the number one offense, we can't believe the Browns view him as having much of a shot to be number two when the season began.”
• Ocho Cinco [40:42]: “They got all the players of that magnitude; Alvin Kamara is still one of the best in NFL.”

5. Conclusion

Chad Johnson and Ocho Cinco wrap up the episode by reiterating their support for emerging quarterbacks like Shador Sanders and expressing cautious optimism about their ability to lead their respective teams. They emphasize the importance of preparation meeting opportunity and the pivotal role quarterbacks play in a team's success.

Key Takeaways:

• Preparation Meets Opportunity: Both hosts agree that unwavering preparation can turn limited opportunities into significant career advancements.
• Critical Role of Quarterbacks: The discussion underscores that quarterbacks are indispensable to a team's performance and future prospects, making their development a top priority for franchises.

Final Quotes:

• Chad Johnson [19:45]: “Shador says, hey, these one or two reps I might get with the threes and fours. These got to be my best work of the day.”
• Ocho Cinco [20:44]: “You don't digress. I'm excited. And this is coming from a Bengal fan at home. I'm excited for the Browns to finally maybe have the answer at the quarterback position after trying 35 times over the years.”

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This episode provides a comprehensive look into the quarterback dynamics of the Cleveland Browns and New Orleans Saints during the NFL preseason, offering listeners valuable insights and expert opinions on the potential impacts these young quarterbacks may have on their teams' futures.

Transcript

[Ocho Cinco]

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[Chad Johnson]

Hello, it's your favorite sports funk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you so please subscribe or you're going to make OO cry. Jador shines in his first preseason game. 11 of 19. 103 yards passing, two TDs. You know Coach prime was was fired up. Time. Yes Lord, yes. Shador Sanders. Oh yeah. What now Coach Prime? God is good. Shout out to Coco Butter brother for sending us this video. LeBron James even weighed in that young king looking good out there. Shador Sanders. Keep going up. Head down and grind and head high to the most and head high to the most. High. Jordan Schultz Text from a high ranking AFC north executive on the Browns rookie Shador Sanders. It's early but wow. Actually shot how good he Looks Nike Football. When you get your opportunity, create the next one. Only matter of time. Yeah, Ocho. Yeah, we could, look, we could pick two plays. Ocho. Well, damn, he missed the Sam Strong safety blitz where he had a guy ride over to the flat on 2nd and 18 and he skipped the ball to him. But you saw that over route that Brock Purdy throws so well in the San Francisco offense. You see him fit the ball into those tight, those small windows. Did you see him on the move throw that touch pass? Now, the receiver made a great one handed catch, but, but did you see the touch?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

So take off your head.

[Ocho Cinco]

Listen, I wanted to see what Shador would look like in a situation that wasn't advantageous to him. He didn't get any reps, as many reps as he should to prepare himself, to be prepared for a game like this, of this magnitude. Dylan Brooks hurt Kenny Pickett, hurt Joe Flacco, not playing. So the card that he was dealt to go into this game. Can you be a leader of men? Can you go in calm, show a presence of leadership, run the team, command the team, show that regardless of who's a, regardless of who's around you, you can still conduct yourself like quarterback one? He was calm under pressure, went through his progressions, made some great throws, had some errant throws. You know, obviously that's what film is for. That's what the precision is for. The fix, the nooks and the crannies to get him out. He looked like he belonged. He looked different.

[Chad Johnson]

He did.

[Ocho Cinco]

Andrew Barry, you made the right call. There's a reason that you wanted him. There's no reason he should have dropped as far as he did. You cannot tell me, as any scout, of those 32 teams that didn't need a starting quarterback, but those that needed a quarterback and were in need of one. Watch film on Shador Sanders and what he did at Jackson State and we did at Colorado and said, you know what? No, that's not my guy. The quote you just read from the scout in the AFC north, if you watch film, what did you expect him to look like? He looked exactly like he looked in Colorado. He looked exactly like he looked at Jackson State. Calm under pressure, in the pocket, going through progressions, making the right throws. That's what I expected to see.

[Chad Johnson]

What they expected to see and what some hope to see might be two entirely different things.

[Ocho Cinco]

Talk to me now, now.

[Chad Johnson]

Hope, man. I sure hope, man. I sure hope this happens, man versus expect to see. What I wanted to see. I wanted to see exactly what you wanted to see? I wanted to see. Could he play with poise, could he throw the ball with conviction? Could he be decisive? Could he go through his progressions, the pocket collapses. Could he take off? He showed me some of everything. The over route, threw it on. Timing, got in his face, let him. Boom. Dropped it right in the bucket. He fit those balls a pressure in his face. The second touchdown. Pressure in his face. The first touchdown. The corner slumps off the flat. The safety is hugging him. He piss it in, gets it in. Boom, on the move. The touch pass over the top. As I mentioned at the top, the receiver did make a great play, but Shador had a nice loft. That's not an easy throw to make. He was impressive tonight.

[Ocho Cinco]

Very.

[Chad Johnson]

And a lot of people, they were in the chat last night. Let's see what Shador does. Let's see what Shador does. Well, hold on.

[Ocho Cinco]

You know what they're gonna say now? Oh, it's the preseason. Oh, he's not playing against their starters. Oh, he's playing against the.

[Chad Johnson]

He didn't have the starters either.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, hello.

[Chad Johnson]

I didn't see Jerry Judy. I didn't see in Joku. I didn't see him starting offensive line.

[Ocho Cinco]

No. Cedric Tillman. So this is what I have to say to those who are going to have another excuse. They're going to move the goal post, right? They're going to move the goal post and say, well, he didn't. He wasn't going against the Panther starters. Well, obviously, if he's not going against the Panther starters or if he doesn't have his starters as well and what he has at his disposal and look that good with the twos and threes and maybe the fours that are trying to make the team. What do you think gonna happen when he has the main characters in there around him, Right. That makes your job a little bit easier that are a little bit better at their position than those that he playing with tonight. What you think gonna happen?

[Chad Johnson]

Well, they can try to move the goal post, but I ain't trying to kick a field goal or P A T. So I'm gonna score anyway. And Shador Sanders scored tonight. I'm gonna give credit where it's due. 14, 23, 138 yards, two touchdowns, no interception. He got two sacks. Like I said, we can nitpick a couple of things. Yeah, it's a strong safety, the Sam strong safety. Blitz problem, like, you know what? But it looked like he was telling the guy, bro, I need you to hook up on that you probably not going to be able to outrun the safety, Lamar Jackson, hold on to the ball a little longer cuz he could outrun the safety, Josh Allen, same thing. That's not Shador. Shador is not a. A, A mobile quarterback. He's going to do all most. The majority of his damage is going to be in the pocket. Ojo.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

He's Tom Brady. I'm not saying he's Tom Brady, but he has the athleticism. That's not what he's known for. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

This is the thing, what he lacks in athleticism and inability to get out the pocket. He has great pocket presence. Huh? Being able to move and being able to not telegraph, but understand when that clock is ticking and when it's time to get up out of there.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

He can move extremely well within the pocket without having to take sacks. What about the third down? Huh? The third down when he scrambled the D line, ran a stunt. He was able to get outside of it.

[Chad Johnson]

You know what I like the most? He saw the stunt and took off immediately.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes. Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

That's what I like, Ocho. That's what I like. Oh, y. Oh. I don't know who's supposed to go first and who's supposed to. I don't know who's supposed to eat or who's supposed to tee, and I don't know who's supposed to tee. Right? But I tell you what, I'm gone.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm gone. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Y'. All. I tell you what y' all figured out in film study tomorrow. But in the meant in the meantime, I'm about to pick up this. I'm about to pick up the first down he's played himself. He might have started after 4, but after this performance, he can't be number 4. Cuz here's the thing. Oo how told us something very, very interesting. He says you can lose your job because of injury because let me tell you what's gonna happen.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

If you get injured and you're out and a guy comes in and he's playing better than you before you got injured, it's his job. Now ask yourself, was Dylan Gabriel, before he got hurt, was he playing better than what you saw Shador Sanders do tonight? Kenny Pickett? Ask yourself this question. Was he playing better than what Shador was, What then what should do or play tonight?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So if you're gonna honestly ask us, answer those questions. Okay?

[Ocho Cinco]

Right. And. And the thing about it, what people need to understand for those that in the chat, it's One thing to have joint practices. It's one thing to practice against yourself and look good against your players.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

Everything is scripted, even defensively in those joint practices at times. Because there's certain things they want to work on defensively and there's certain things that you want to work on offensively. When you get into the game, nothing, nothing is shared from team to team.

[Chad Johnson]

No.

[Ocho Cinco]

So it's a green light and everything going as if it's a real game. You're working your scheme, your game plan, and all you have to do is execute it in its simplest form. As simple as preseason games are from an offensive perspective in the way the plays are called. And he did that tonight to a hell of a job. One hell of a job tonight. And this is something to continue to build off of, clean up. There were some mistakes. Obviously, they're going to always be mistakes and things you can get better at. And as you continue to see different looks, you're not going to get many looks. Obviously, it's the preseason. Everything you see defensively will be very vanilla, you know, cover tool. Sometimes you might throw in, you know.

[Chad Johnson]

Man, don't count the plays, Ocho. Make the plays count.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Oh, and listen, he made him count the night on.

[Chad Johnson]

That's what you have to do when you're a low round draft pick, Ocho. Me being a no bark being being a low round draft pick, Ocho, you're not going to get the plays that a high round draft pick is going to get.

[Ocho Cinco]

No. No.

[Chad Johnson]

So don't go out there thinking that. But when it's your time shine.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes. You got to.

[Chad Johnson]

When is your time shine? And that. Hey, you say I don't count time. I make time count. Well, I didn't count plays, as my brother used to say. Hey, I know you ain't get that many reps. Keep your head up. Cause one day John Elway gonna call for you. He gonna look for you. You need to make sure you ready. You need to be make sure you where you're supposed to be.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

Shador didn't get a whole lot of reps, but when opportunity presents itself, that's what luck is, is when preparation meets opportunity. Amundsen said, some call it luck.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm glad you just said what you just said. You just said Shadora get didn't get as many reps as he should have in practice, but he got into a game and what did he do? Huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Right. But the refs that he did get in practice, he made those counts. Because a lot of times I'VE seen it. I don't know if you've seen it on your. I've seen guys, man, I ain't getting no burn, man. I can't.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

And then when you get out there, you effing up.

[Ocho Cinco]

You up. Yeah, my bad.

[Chad Johnson]

Shador says, hey, these one or two reps I might get with the three. The threes and fours, right. I gotta make these counts. These got to be my. This has got to be my best work of the day.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Because you know why, Ocho? It might be my only work of the day.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So if it's my only, it's got to be my best. Because this is the only time they're going to see me on tape. They see me standing behind and you know, hey, I'm being positive. A good throw, a good catch, good run, good job, offensive line, good play call, coach. But at the end of the day, I need to get an opportunity to show you what I can do. And when the opportunity presents itself, that. That's what luck is. Preparation, meeting, opportunity. Amundsen said some call it luck.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, hey, listen, I'm happy. I'm happy for young Bull. I'm happy for young Bull. This is one of the few times I can't think of the last time that everyone was excited, excited about wanting to watch a Cleveland Browns game.

[Chad Johnson]

Did you see all them people in the stands with the 12 and with the signs? Did you see all that old joke.

[Ocho Cinco]

A Cleveland Browns game, We on the road.

[Chad Johnson]

Cleveland don't travel like that. Trust me. I was in the same division with them jokers and guess what? We used to play them same, same. They don't trade. They didn't travel like that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And they ain't got no reason to travel because they've been bad a long time.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. So listen, tonight we saw a very small sample size. We saw a very small sample size of what Shador Sanders can look like. The fact that he played with the twos, with threes, maybe against twos and threes. I say. I say this to say that what happens when he's with the ones having to run that same offense, right?

[Chad Johnson]

And you, and you. Guess what? And you go and you game plan. I'm just calling plays arbitrarily. Oo.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's it. That's all they doing tonight.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm not game planning. I'm not game planning. Because we normally game plan game three, right? We go back and now the coaches go back and they look at what they did last season and we script the game plan. That's going to be what we think we're going to see on first down, second down, third down, third and short, third and long. This down in distance area of the field. First and go, second and go, third and go. Now, we're calling plays not just to arbitrarily call plays. We're calling plays with a purpose, for a purpose, and eventually they're going to get to that. But I was impressed. Look, I understand it's the preseason.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

But for someone that didn't get as many reps, right. Made the refs that he did get, he made them count in practice. And when he got his opportunity, when it. Opportunity presented itself, he took full advantage. Tom Brady opportunity presented itself, which is.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, when the rubber meet the what?

[Chad Johnson]

When the rubber meet the road, man. And so Shador, he should. He should be proud of himself.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, him being who he is, raised how he was raised. Supposed to say reared, I guess you raise livestock and animals. But anyway, raised how he was raised. He's not going to be. He's not going to be. He's not going to get. He's not going to get too high, Ocho, because guess what? Yeah, Even kill.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, you got to stay even kill. You know why? Because not only having to deal with the noise on the outside, that's one thing, but now you got. You got to deal with the noise on the inside. Especially with the owner coming out just last week saying, that wasn't my pick.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that wasn't my pick.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's not who I wanted.

[Chad Johnson]

Thank you, Mr. Haslam. How you doing, Mr. Haslam?

[Ocho Cinco]

Make sure Andrew Berry gets all the credit. Like you said, brother Haslam, don't smile. Don't even. Don't say anything. Start with an S. He said, don't even say sh. The audacity.

[Chad Johnson]

Don't you say it.

[Ocho Cinco]

The nerve.

[Chad Johnson]

The gall.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm appalled.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, I'm a David.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm gonna say it one more time, and this is for everybody in the chat. If. Even if you don't like Shador, even if you don't like him, how do you watch film, college film on Shador Sanders and every other quarterback that went before him and see what all of them have done and say, you know what? No, I'm a pass over him. That's not the guy I want.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

New Orleans Saints, Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't know what other teams that were in need of a quarterback. How do you do it? I'm just asking from a person that played the game of football and understanding. I have an eye I have an eye. I played the game for a very long time at a very high level. I'm not saying I'm a scout, but I know what it's supposed to look like in situations that. Not. That are not advantageous for you. I just saw a young fella win at Jackson State, turn a Colorado program around that won one game. Regardless of what his.

[Chad Johnson]

His.

[Ocho Cinco]

His record was in his totality, 2312. Whatever may have been, I know what he can do. When you got the right pieces around him, I know what he can do. He's a winner regardless of what situation you put him in. And he showed it again tonight, yet again tonight with his back up against the wall.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he just has the demeanor to be a quarterback. Nothing seems to impact him. He doesn't get too high. He doesn't get too low. He has the utmost confidence in himself. And most quarter. Most. The good ones really do, no matter how bad. And we've seen it. No matter how bad it might be going, the really good ones, you know, if it's late in the ball game, they got a chance to beat you.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And. And. And shadows in the situation where it's like. Doesn't make any excuses. And he always says the right thing. It's. Listen, it's not as easy as you think to always say the right thing, because you're dealing with the human element of it. The human element of it. No matter how much you have, no matter how little you have, no matter how good you've been, no matter how bad you've been, you're dealing with the human element of it. And people have emotions. People have feelings. Feelings. And so sometimes when people lash out and say things like, damn, man, you know, you. You. You take the amount of time. But he hears what's being written about him.

[Ocho Cinco]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

He's. He hears, he sees. If he doesn't, he's getting. Word is getting back to him. But I just love the way the man, he kept his head down, closed off his ears, and just did what he was supposed to do. He went to work. Yeah. And that's how you. That's how you have to approach it. Don't get mad. I ain't trying to prove y' all wrong. I'm trying to prove me right. And in the process of proving me right, I'll prove you wrong. It was. It was a great job. It was his first outing. Like I said, those throws, it was the throw. It wasn't. So. It was. It was the throws that he made Ocho go back and Take a look at that overball. And we see brock purdy throw 3 or 4 those a game to iuk. He used to hit Debo on those plays. You'll kill on the over. Look at how he threw that ball, the timing of it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Do you. Do you understand the anticipatory skills you have to have with pressure coming at you? There was one. There was one. There was one overthrow he couldn't even see. Yeah, because on the replay, we couldn't even see him. We just saw the ball come out. So he's anticipating where the receiver was going to be and he just made the throw and put it only where the receiver could catch it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep. That first touchdown.

[Ocho Cinco]

You understand, when people saw tonight, I don't think they understand how difficult the game is. I don't think they understand how difficult the game is, but he made it look like he's been doing it for a very long time. It's his first time. It's his first time in an NFL game, but he's used to it, Chad. Look at his mannerisms. Look how he walked on the first down. Okay. He almost did the wild celebration. He said, you know what? I'm looking at the time, but it ain't time yet. And just. Just everything about him and being quarterback number one, just the way he carried himself, he was ready for the moment. No matter what they. No matter what they did, no matter what they said, just put me in a situation, just hand me the cards, give me the hand, and I'm going to play it. And he did that just. Just exactly how he should tonight. The hand he was dealt, he played the hand very well. And it's only going to get better from here. It doesn't go backwards.

[Chad Johnson]

You don't.

[Ocho Cinco]

You don't digress. I'm excited. And this is coming from a Bengal fan at home. I'm excited for the Browns to finally maybe have the answer at the quarterback position after trying 35 times over the years. You know, listen, man, I can go on and on about this, but go ahead. You got it.

[Chad Johnson]

I think the thing is, the biggest thing that an athlete can have is the ability to believe that he belongs. He or she belongs. I was a seventh round draft pick. Shadow was a five. There was 12 rounds when I was a seventh. There are seven rounds. He's a fifth.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

But there is not one point in time that I didn't feel I belonged on that field because I saw a lot of these guys at the bowl games. I saw these guys at combine and I read about them yeah. And I remember, I remember calling my brother at the east west shrine grass, said he do not better than me. They not better than me. I don't care what they say.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I remember going to the combat. That man, I, you know, he's like, what you think you read? I say, probably post 6, 4, 7. I say, but they're not better than me. They might be faster than me, but they not better than me. I belong in the NFL. And when I went to Denver, all those guys that went before me, I'm like, ain't no way. I remember asking myself, how in the hell did you get drafted before me?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I said, but don't worry about it, don't worry about it. I said, it won't be long. It won't be. It was like the cat. When a girl say, boy, the cat got his tail caught in the washing machine. You know what he said, Ocho? He said, it won't be long now. He said, she didn't know what he was talking about. His tail wouldn't be long anymore or it wouldn't be long before it all be over.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, man. And when we put the pants on Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I'll never forget because you know the rookies, we went to camp before the vet, so we would go like a couple of days before the vets, so we would already be practicing right at in Denver before we headed up to Greeley, right. I saw him, they was nervous, Ocho, like a long tailed dog with a porch full of rocking chairs. You know, somebody leaned back and go be on the stage. You know what I'm talking about. Now I thought they were nervous. I say, oh yeah, that's all I need to see. Just a little fear. Just a little fear in a man's eyes. Cause that's my, that's my greatest ability.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Another man's fear.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I like it, I like it. And listen, I know we've been talking about Shador, but listen, remember I told, remember I remember what I told you about the Panthers, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

Remember what I told you about the Panthers? If there's a dark. A chat. Stay with me. Real quick. If there's a dark horse team that I believe in this year that is going to creep up and maybe make it run into the playoffs, I said it would be the Panthers. They didn't look bad. Bryce Young didn't look bad. Jalen Coker went crazy tonight. Tmac, the rookie from Arizona looked good tonight. I know Xavier Leon got thrown out, getting into a little tussle. Listen, I love the passion. It's just preseason. That's fixable. That's fixable. But again, look how the Panthers look early in the game for those. I know everybody tuned in to watch the door, but I'm telling you right now, and I said it first, someone that's not much of a Panther fan didn't play for the organization. They owe me nothing. I'm telling you. The dark horse team for this season, the Carolina Panthers. Bryce Young in that receiving corner. I'm telling you, watch.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho. I ain't never been that hot in a preseason game. No, the tussle.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, yeah. They were going at it, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

I. I don't really got no tussle in practice, bro. Cause all I'm telling you, what Dan Reeves gonna say, you fighting. That means we ain't working hard enough. Mike Shanahan say the same thing, right? I mean, working hard enough, bro. It ain't like it is now, bro. Them two hour, two and a half hour practice, man, please. With pads and. You had on pads and. Oh, let me take that back, Ocho. You have on. They call it. See what they call shells with shoulder pads and shorts, right? It's not shells like they call it now. Basically got those little fitted styrofoam stuff on. That was not shells. When. When I got in the 90s. Shells were shoulder pads and shorts.

[Ocho Cinco]

Shorts. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And. And, you know, we hit. They. They were. We hit back then. 907 was live.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

Team. Team was a solid th. It wasn't no touch. The guy on his, like a two hand. Oh, no. You. You put shoulders on him, you put pads on him.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, you bet. You better come to. You better come to balance and be ready.

[Chad Johnson]

I remember Dennis Smith, we call him Kahuna and Atwater, man, they come down in that box. Well, we had thumpers back then. Oh, yeah, man, please.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, at water. Ain't Playboy dog. At water. Coming downhill now.

[Chad Johnson]

And Atwater wasn't the thumper like Dennis Smith. Kahuna was The Thumper. Number 49.

[Ocho Cinco]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. More than Atwater.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, let's. Yes, Lord. Ocho, I saw that joke. Hey. At 205, 210. Yeah, I saw him sit Lyman. Sit Lyman on the ass they pulling. He ain't never go low, right. Putting that shoulder in their chest. And sit them down at 210. At 210. Dang. Go back if y' all can find it. Go back and check the tape. He hit Roosevelt Potts. They both ran. He. Potts come through the hole. He hit him.

[Ocho Cinco]

He was out cold.

[Chad Johnson]

Marion Butts. Hey, if you, if you a Charger fan, you know who, because back then, Ocho, they had a big old big running back. They had big Marion Butts. They had Rod Bernstein. They have a big. They had Joe Caravello, big Joe Cox. I mean they are. The tight ends were like £300. Offensive line, mammoth. Offensive line. Yeah, Kahuna run through him. Go back and look at that play with Dennis Smith. Hit. He had Marion Buss and he hit Roosevelt Potts.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. You know who else was a thumper too? Remember Donovan Darius?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I played against DD at Jacksonville. But that was back in the 90s. You had Chuck Cecil, you had Mark Carrier from Chicago. Boy, back then it wasn't nothing defenseless about that. They say you got helmet and shoulder pads. What the hell you thought was gonna happen? You come across the middle.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh yeah. You gonna get that work?

[Chad Johnson]

What?

[Ocho Cinco]

You gonna get that work?

[Chad Johnson]

Rodney Harrison.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, Rod. Coming with all forearm every time.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey. I say hey, bro. Hey, Sharp. Just stay on my knees. I say hey. Gotcha. But boy, we tried. Boy, we definitely tried to hit each other in the mouth.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh yeah. Hey, that's a hard playing joker.

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NFL Insider says Shadour Sanders still stands behind Dylan Gabriel. For the Browns coaches, Gabriel is ahead of Sanders in the eye of the coaching staff, but rarely in training camp has that position matched what we've seen on the field. The quarterback situation remains the story of camp and shadow. Sanders is settling in to lead three scoring drives and in the most extended action of the summer, won't make the team's consistent stance that Sanders is fourth in a line any less perplexing. No reasonable person thinks Sanders will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently attack a complicated defense three weeks from now. He's shown enough talent and growth, however, to make anyone believe he should be on the team and have a chance to develop into the starting, starting quality player. Sanders is talented. His throat out of the end zone to wide receiver Greg Lovarden in the preseason over. Over. And his floater down the sideline to receiver Luke Fleria later are proof. Until we see Sanders get practice reps with. With the number one offense, we can't believe the Browns view him as having much of a shot to be the number two when the season began. I agree with what they're saying, but that's my. My point is. Okay, you said, have we seen enough? Have you seen enough for Dylan. What have you seen from Dylan Gabriel to make you think he can be number two?

[Ocho Cinco]

Did you hear. Did you. Who the. Excuse me, who wrote that?

[Chad Johnson]

The Browns athletic insider.

[Ocho Cinco]

The Browns athletic insider, Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Ocho Cinco]

So you see Shador do what he does three quarters of football. Three. I think. Maybe. Maybe play well into the fourth quarter, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I think so.

[Ocho Cinco]

So in a live game, you saw him play the way he played and still question if he can do the same thing when he has the actual starters at his disposal. I'm confused.

[Chad Johnson]

My thing is, he says no reasonable person thinks Sanders will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently attack a complicated NFL def. Defense three weeks from now. What about Dylan Gabriel? Has he shown you enough to make them believe that three weeks from now he can lead this team against a complicated defense? I. I digress even further. Has Kenny Pickett ever shown you that he can lead a team against a complicated defense? Because all I know is that what I keep hearing is what you're telling me what he can't do. Like my coach just said, college, hey, we'll put it. Find something that he can do. See, you keep telling me what should do or can't do. Well, your job as a coach is to put players in position and find something that they can do.

[Ocho Cinco]

Wait a minute. But where's the can coming from when we just saw him do it? I know it's a small sample size, it's 3/4 of football, but everything you said he can do, he just did. Matter of fact, he just did what we already saw him do at Jackson State. He just did what we saw him do at Colorado. We just did. Even though it's a small sample size. Uncle, I played the game for a very long time.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Ocho Cinco]

I played the game for a very long time. I'm a receiver. I know what it's supposed to look like. I know what it looks like. When there's a quarterback that's playing in a game and he's confident, he's polished, his pocket presence, his mannerisms. I know what it should look like. We've seen Kenny Pickett with the Steelers. If he was the answer for Cleveland, he would have been the answer in Pittsburgh.

[Chad Johnson]

What's the question? You asking? Because if Kenny Pickett is the. If Kenny Pickett is the answer, I need to know the question. Did he play for the University of Pittsburgh? Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't know what more? I don't know what more. Listen, when you. When you. When you fill out your resume, right. When you fill out your resume and you go in for that job interview, you want to put your best foot forward.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

You want to keep a lasting impression, correct. Well, the lasting impressions with what we saw Friday night from the person they claim is the fourth. Is the fourth string quarterback.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

What do we do? We build from that on Saturday?

[Chad Johnson]

Well, you build from that. No, you build from that starting in practice by giving him more reps, more quality reps. You don't leave him in the position that he was in where he's getting a handful of reps with the threes and fours. You give him some opportunities with the ones with the twos. I'm not saying you. He has to take 5, 6 reps with the ones, but I'm saying you sprinkle. Maybe you give him one or two reps. Maybe you give him three or four reps with the twos. I do agree with this. Until we see Sanders get practice reps with the number One offense. We can't believe the Browns view him as having much of a shot to be number two when the season began. True. I do. I do agree with that statement. You're not going from four to two. If you four training camp, then all of a sudden the season start, you're number two.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

They're going to need to see you with the ones and twos to feel comfortable because they got to make a decision. And when you make that decision, you release somebody, ain't no guarantee that you're going to be able to bring them back and put them on your practice squad. Somebody might sign them and put them on the active roster. So that's the case. Ocho, do I stay on your practice squad for, say, 25, 30,000, or do I go somewhere and get an opportunity to get a real roster spot and make almost a million dollars a year? So that's the question that you have. That's a decision that you make when you release these guys. Because I'm sure there are some guys, you know, I would love to have him have another year learning our system. And when we come back next year having the OTAs, the training camp, the season of working, the scout team stuff, when we come back for otas, Ocho, he should be good to go. He should be fully developing. Good to go. So I don't want people thinking that we beat Ocho and I beating up on Zach Jackson. I agree with what he's saying, but my thing, I'm more talking about the Browns as a, as an organization, as a coaching staff. Are you? Are you. Because the fans are saying, you want us to believe you or our lying eyes? Ooh. I, I, I know, I know. I know what my eyes. I saw. I know what I saw. I hear what you say it, but I see better than I hear.

[Ocho Cinco]

Come on, now.

[Chad Johnson]

Y' all keep telling us Dylan Gabriel. Dylan Gabriel. But we have yet to see him. Now, everything that I see is that no, he's, you know, she's not better than Shador. For most of the articles that I've been reading at 8, people can write whatever they want to write. So I don't want to put too much emphasis, but I haven't seen, I haven't read a whole lot that where they said that Dylan Gabriel is better, has been played, has played better, or playing better than Shador.

[Ocho Cinco]

What did I tell you? What did I tell you not too long ago? Yeah, but how can't look. Yeah, I'm not saying no names again this time because I don't Want to get nobody in no trouble. What did I tell you?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

And then exactly what that individual said. Who's in there every day that plays on the other side of the ball and has to see it. Exactly what he said. Way back then we saw it show up. The fact that he's not getting first team reps with the ones of the twos and still went out there and looked the way he did. What does that tell you?

[Chad Johnson]

He getting marginal reps to begin with. Damn. The ones and twos. Ocho, he barely getting reps at all.

[Ocho Cinco]

And then still. Okay, I'll say no more again. Say no more. So you're not doing him justice in practice. But still showed up in the game and looked the par and looked like that. What does that say? But we gonna see Saturday. And I hope Dylan Gabriel gets his opportunity because I would love to see what he does and then what he gives that offense and that, that coach of staff that believes in him. I'm hoping he gets a fair shot. I'm hoping he does. I'm hoping he does. I would love to see it. I would love to see it. I know he's a competitor. He was great at Oregon. He was really good. So I'm all. I'm all. I'm all for it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, it's. Let the guy like. It's like when you end that situation, the guy flashes. Normally when guys flashes in camp. Ojo, you and I both played the NFL for a long time. We both played at a high level.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

Every team that I've been on, when a guy flashes in practice, a guy flashes in the game, he gets, he gets to move up and he gets meaningful reps, more meaningful reps, meaning he's no longer on the third or fourth. They'll sneak some reps in with the twos. Maybe they'll give him one or two shots with the ones. That's normally how it works. They're not so set in their ways that it's like, oh, we just see this guy as. It's kind of like td. I give you a prime example. TD was a guy. TD was a six round draft pick. TD was probably like the fifth or the sixth running back. But every day he made that play on kickoff and every day you saw TD get a little better. He gave him a little bit more reps. And so all of a sudden he go from six to five, from five to four, four to two after the first game of the season. TD won. Yeah, normally that's how it plays out. Guys show you in the game. Because when guys flashing practice, Ocho, you're thinking to yourself, I wonder if he'd do that in the game. Hell, coach, put his hands in the game. Let's see what he could do. Right? That's, that's, that's normally how it happened. Wade Phillips, our defensive coordinator, that's how I got in the game. He said, dan put his ass in the game. Let's see if they can cover him. Cause we can't. Dan's like, okay, they put my ass in the game. Yeah, well, Shador. I think Shador showed you something that he deserving. I'm not saying he needs to. You need to implement him as the starter, the number one. Ocho. I didn't. We didn't say that. That's not what we're saying. But I think he's shown you enough Friday to says, you know what, we might need to give him some more quality reps with guys that's going to be playing on Sunday. And let's see him facing the number one defense, Miles Garrett, those guys over there. But let's give him Jerry Judy, let's give him in Joku. Let's see if he can replicate some of that, what he did on Friday with the ones today. Yeah, that's all we're saying.

[Ocho Cinco]

And can I, Can I say one more thing?

[Chad Johnson]

Go ahead.

[Ocho Cinco]

Thing. If you can do what he did without getting the practice reps in a game without the number ones around him, things only get easier when you have the ones at your disposal that are better at the position. Cedric Tillman and Joku, Jerry, Ju. It only becomes easier.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

It doesn't get more difficult now once you're playing against the team, that scheme for you and disguises and, and does all the, all the stuff, you know, with a game planning for you. Okay, that's different then. You just have to process a little bit faster. Yeah, it's vanilla. They line up and they just go.

[Chad Johnson]

That's exactly how it is. But Ocho, you get better at something by doing said thing.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes, exactly. Hear what you just said. You get better at something by doing said thing. But he wasn't doing said thing because he.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

And still look the way he did.

[Chad Johnson]

I agree. I agree.

[Ocho Cinco]

They don't view it that way. They. That organization. They don't view it that way.

[Chad Johnson]

How?

[Ocho Cinco]

I. I don't know. I don't know. But I'm. I'm guessing in the, in the, in the direction in which they're going. I'm hoping they're right. They haven't been right in the 35 quarterback that they tried previously, but maybe I'm wrong.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I just think, I do believe that he's earned the right to get quality reps with the ones and twos. I'm not saying that you implement him that now he's QB1, I'm not saying he's QB2, maybe, but I think he's earned that opportunity.

[Ocho Cinco]

I know one thing. I know one thing. They better put a statue of Andrew Barry outside that goddamn stadium, huh? Tell you that. I, I listen, I can already foresee how it's gonna go. I already know how it's gonna go. I can already see it. They gonna continue to play. Continue to play. Continue to play. Put everybody in front of them, continue to play. And then when this opportunity presents itself like it did because of injury, he looked a certain way. You can't deny it. No, you can't deny it. No matter what you try to do, you can't deny it. You can't.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho and Cleveland doing this. Sometimes a man can make his destiny on the very road he took to avoid it. Sometimes they might even have their quarterback, even though they tried to avoid giving him the opportunity.

[Ocho Cinco]

Come on now. Come on now.

[Chad Johnson]

On the very road you took to avoid it, you found your destiny. I, I, I just, I'm not saying I'm general manager. I'm not saying I'm a player personnel director. I just know that when guys flash, go back Tom Brady, they kept four quarterbacks that year.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Coach Belichick said that he saw something in Tom that said if he got more of an opportunity, he might be okay. He didn't know he was going to be this. Hell, if he knew he was going to be that, somebody would have taken him in the first pick in the draft.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

But he flashed enough guys, you know, late round picks, okay. Like he, he, he's showing something. He just some. Sometimes you just need time. Sometimes you need more opportunity. You know, looking at Trey Lance. Trey Lance like he needed time. Time which the 49ers didn't have. 49ers on the clock. They got to win now with the roster that they have, they're not in rebuild. Well, the Cleveland. What are you. I mean, you just gave a guy $140 million. He's under the assumption now he played it both ways. You know, I want out. Y' all not winning. Got the money. Hey, but what are y', all, what are y' all doing? Are y' all in rebuild or you trying to win? Because y' all See who's in your division. Lamar Jackson and, and Joe Burrow. Now, LaMar Jackson is 27, 28. He gonna got, he got another five to 10 years in Baltimore. Joe Burrow might be a year younger than Lamar. He's got another five to ten years in Cincinnati. Well, while y' all playing musical chairs with quarterbacks, they've identified their guy and he's going to be there for the almost a decade. You're not beating a team that has an established quarterback playing musical chairs with quarterbacks.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, not at all. Not at all. Listen, I mean, it's, this is, it's exciting. It's exciting. And listen, even as a, as a Bengal fan, as a Bengal player at heart, it's, it's enjoyable to be talking about the ground. It's enjoyable, huh? It's, it's exciting. It's exciting for, for, for Brown fans. I mean, when's the last time you had a player of this magnitude who's a rookie that has you guys in the national spotlight like this?

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Ocho Cinco]

At all, at all times?

[Chad Johnson]

Basically. Yeah. You got to go back to Johnny Football.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, hey, boy. Johnny boy. Johnny was special, boy. Yeah. Another Texas A. Johnny was special. Yeah, he was special.

[Chad Johnson]

So it's. We'll, we'll see. It'll be interesting to see when they go out to practice today. I mean, excuse me, today, tomorrow. What comes back? What type of reps did Shador get? Did he get ref with the ones? Did he get a rep or two with the ones? Did he get anything with the twos or was he back relegated to be in the fourth quarterback and getting one rep with the, with the fors or no reps or just getting side work? That's going to be the tell that, that's going to tell us. Oo.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Because what they talking and what's actually happening? We'll find out. Yeah, we'll find out and we'll see what they, how they play this thing out on Saturday when they play the game.

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Ooh, New Orleans. Well, y' all in a heap of trouble. Spencer Rattler. So if you just take that R and put a D. Yeah, that's what you Saints fans, that's what y' all gotta look forward to. And the preseason opener. Despite throwing a pick six, rookie Tyler Shook comes off the bench and outplays Rattler. If you could believe that. It's kind of like getting bit by a water moccasin or a rattlesnake. It's just how close are you to antivenom? I mean, both are gonna hurt, right? Both are gonna excruciating pain. Swelling will be immediately. Shortness of breath. Yes, that's what you get with these two quarterbacks. I don't know why they didn't. I hope Kellen Moore, who's a Super bowl winning offensive coordinator. Yes, sir. He signed a long, long, long term deal like six years. Because it's going to be a while with those two quarterbacks.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

They win before they win. Same quarterback in the first preseason game. Rattler was 7 of 11, 53 yards, zero touchdown, zero interception. But he did lose a fumble. Tyler shook. 15 or 22, 165. One touchdown, one pick six. Go ahead.

[Ocho Cinco]

Listen, listen, listen. While I was watching the game today before the game, before the game started, I threw out a tweet to Saints fans. I have a lot of Saints fans that follow me On Twitter. Excuse me, that followed me on X. And the question was, are you guys optimistic about Spencer Rattler as quarterback number one? And all the answers were unanimous and saying that they don't believe in him. And there were a few that said, you know what? I'm awesome. I'm optimistic about him. He can improve in his second year. So based on the small sample size we were able to see from Spencer Rattler today, it did look promising. But again, it is a preseason. It is a preseason. Maybe a little rusty, first time out against competition outside of yourself. So I want to give him a little grace. I want to give him a little.

[Chad Johnson]

Grace, but he's not a rookie, Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I know what you mean.

[Chad Johnson]

He started. He started real games last year. I would expect him to look a little better the second time around in a vanilla type game plan. Then he. Then a rookie, then say Jackson Dart, say Shador Sanders, say some of these. Even. Even Shook.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

You. If Shook's gonna struggle. Okay, I get that he's a rookie, first time playing in NFL, not a guy that started games in the NFL to play. That. That.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I mean, listen, it looked. It looked rough, but last year watching Spencer Rattler, he played bad at times, but at times he showed flashes of what he can do. What we have to find, he has to find that happy medium, that keel of balance, of consistency where it doesn't drop below the bar. The standard has to be the standard of consistency. He hadn't found that yet. Obviously, I'm not going to panic. I'm not saying I'm a Saints fan, but just for his sake, I think quarterback number one is Spencer Rattler. I don't see a rookie beating him out. Obviously it looked good. Tyler. How do you say it pronounced?

[Chad Johnson]

Last name Shook.

[Ocho Cinco]

Tyler Schuck, obviously probably going against the threes and the four. Once he did get into the game, you would look a certain way. You would look a little better in that manner. But I think Spencer Rattler is the answer for them. And it's. It's unfortunate, but again, it's a small sample size. I wouldn't panic right now being that everything is so vanilla, but the fact that it is vanilla, you should look the par. You should look the par with it being your. Your. Your second.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Second year.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I think the thing is, was for me, Spencer Rattler's style of play will eventually get him cut and a coach fired.

[Ocho Cinco]

Ow.

[Chad Johnson]

That's what happens when you're not consistent at that position.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Because that position gets coaches fired. Quicker than anything. Get general managers terminated. Quicker than anything. Now they felt comfortable enough, they're like, okay, we gonna wait till the. I think they got shook in the second round. Second or third round, they like. We like Spencer Rattler. They like him, right. He was a highly sought after guy. Went to the University of Oklahoma, you know. And then Caleb Williams came, he transferred, goes to the University of South Carolina. So he has some arm talent, but he's. He's just a little inconsistent for my taste. And it's hard to win when you don't get consistency out of that position because eventually it will get him cut and it'll get the coach fired. Yeah, because Richard Smith used to tell us all the time, he says that type of play will get you cut and get me fired.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right? Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I can't get any better because all I can do is just give you what you should be doing. It's incumbent upon you. He's kind of, you know, loose with the ball, is easily knocked out of his hands. He turns it over. But this is what the Saints you look what happened was, is that they had. When you have quarterbacks like Breeze and you have quarterbacks like Manning and you have quarterbacks like Brady, you don't want to waste a guy. So you picking guys in the fourth or fifth round and you're letting them sit with no chance of getting, you know, not doing anything right. And so when those guys move on now you gotta rush. They tried Jameis. Jameis tears his knee. They tried to taste some heel. But I never thought Taysom Hill was a quarterback. He was very good in the role that he was in as a jack. He'll play a little quarterback, he'll a little fullback, he could play some tight end. He's good on special teams. He's a Jack, do a lot, a multitude of things. But I didn't think he was a specialist or a great quarterback. So I never thought that experiment was going to work. I think Jameis could have been good, but Jameis towards me and then they kind of moved. They kind of moved on from Jameis. The way I look at. I think defensively they might be a little, you know, they might be a little better. They're starting to get a little older. Honey Badger retired Jordan. Cam Jordan is. I think he's going into his, what, his 15th season. He was in that 2011 class with Von Miller and J.J. watt, all those guys. But in that division, you. You got to getting better because Tampa, Tampa's gotten better. I think Atlanta's gotten better.

[Ocho Cinco]

They have.

[Chad Johnson]

And so I just don't believe that the quarterback that the Saints want or need that can get them to where they want to be a consistent team. You know, a team that wins consistently, that can get to the playoffs and maybe win a game or two in the playoffs. I don't believe that quarterback is on their roster.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, I don't think so either. I think heavily. I think for the sake of Spencer Rattler, I think the fact that he has Alvin Kamara to take some of the pressure off of him. You have Rashid Shahid, you have Chris Olave. I'm not sure who the number three will be there, obviously, but I think his job will be a little easier because of the talent he has around him. Chris Olave is a very, very good receiver. Is a burner. He's a very, very good receiver. Now it's going to be Kellen Moore to put those players in positions to be able to. To make sure Spencer Rattler doesn't get him fired. You know, there's one thing you can do, is when you have a quarterback as bad as them based on their play, you have to find a way to hide their weakness. You have to find a way to hide their weaknesses. And it's easy to do when you have players of that magnitude. Alvin Kamara is still one of the best in NFL.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm just not gonna let Kamara beat me. I'm gonna make Spencer Rattler throw the football.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, well, listen, that's the thing. If you're. If you. If you're gonna go into game saying, you know what? I'm gonna make Spencer Rattler beat me. I like his chances with Crystal Lobby and Rasheed Shahid. I like it. I like it.

[Chad Johnson]

What was their record last year?

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh. Oh. But, hey, you know who the number three is?

[Chad Johnson]

Who?

[Ocho Cinco]

Brandon Cooks.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Come on, now. Come on, now.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't think he's the. He's not the Brandon Cook that was first in New Orleans or the Brandon Cooks that was in New England or even the Brandon Cooks that was at the Rams. I mean, Ocho, damn, he's been like four teams in the last four years.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. I mean, listen, he can still run.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, he still run. He can still get deep.

[Ocho Cinco]

He can still do his thing in a slot. You know, I hate using the word serviceable, but you can put him in position to make plays, right? That's it.

[Chad Johnson]

No, what would their record last year, The Saints, I mean, offensive line. How good is the offensive line going to be to be able to protect him? Right? I mean, they gave up five sacks today. They were 5 and 12 last year. Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's tough. That's tough.

[Chad Johnson]

Look, everybody's running vanilla, vanilla offense, vanilla defense, vanilla special teams. And nobody's showing anything. Nobody's trying to put anything on tape. That's going to be extraordinary, right? Spencer Rattler having played, I just expect it's kind of like a second year guy. A second year guy makes mistakes. The coaches are going to be harder on him because he's already gone through this the previous year, bro. You've already. Spencer Rattler played in real games. Sometimes Ocho guys get on the practice squad, they don't get off that and then they come back and have to go through the thing again. But Spencer Rattler has been in meaningful ball games. He's actually played in a regular season and played in regular season games. So I would expect him to look a little sharper than what he did now. He was only, I mean he only threw seven passes and so he's probably only in there 14, 15 plays. The question is long term because that's what, that's what we're getting down to.

[Ocho Cinco]

The answer, long term. No, no.

[Chad Johnson]

Mayfield is Tampa's long term solution. Atlanta believe Pennix Jr. Is their long term solution. Bryce Carolina believes Bryce Young is their long term solution. The question is now based on what they did now maybe they believe Shuck is going to be able to come in and unseat Spencer Rattler and be their long term solution. But in order to win at this level, at that level in today's game, you gotta get a quarterback. Because you know why, Ocho? Because he's the one position that you cannot hide.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, well, yeah, if I got a.

[Chad Johnson]

Weak corner, I roll, I roll coverage.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

If I got a weak safety, I keep him, I put his ass down in the box, I keep him out of the hole. Okay. If I got an offensive lineman, I'll slide protection, I'll chip the back. I say, hey, you make sure you chip your way out.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

So I can find ways to protect a weakness if it's something other than the quarterback.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You can't hide the guy that has the ball every single time.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, you right. But I like that you said that. For some reason I'm thinking from an offensive perspective, thinking as myself as a receiver.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

The quality, the quality of receivers they have, you know, in, in New Orleans, I'm thinking Chris Olave, Rashid Shahid, Brandon Cooks, they're so good I can't remember the Titans name. He's a very good Serviceable Titan as well. I can't remember his last name, but I'm thinking that they can be put in positions to be able to hide the weakness that Spencer Rattler may have. Whatever it may be. That.

[Chad Johnson]

That.

[Ocho Cinco]

That. That's. That's what I'm thinking. That's my thought process, you know, and as an officer coordinator, whoever the officer coordinator is, I'm not.

[Chad Johnson]

Kelly Moore, the head coach, Remember, he was offensive coordinator for Philly?

[Ocho Cinco]

He's calling the plays, too.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, man. Listen, man, listen. I don't want to lose my job. So what do I need to do? I need to use those around me. I need to use those weapons, right? Put them in advantageous positions because my quarterback is not as good as I'd like to.

[Chad Johnson]

Right. Juwan Johnson and Taysom Hill are the tight ends.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, Juwan Johnson. Hey, he nice.

[Chad Johnson]

A young, young, young, young, young. Yeah, he's more. He's. He's. He's. He's more of an F. Yeah, more of the age back type. Got, you know, got receiving skills, got more of a move. Tight end. Taysom Hill, the same thing. You can do a lot of different things with Taysom Hill. You can put him at fullback. You can. Hey, you bring him in and run the tush push with him. You know, you can throw him the football. You can do a lot of things with him. And Kelly Moore has a very creative mind, but you've got to get consistent play from the quarterback position because it's the one position you can't hide. Eventually I'll figure you out and I'll make. I'll. I'll make him beat me. I'll make him beat me, and I'll see if he can do it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, that.

[Chad Johnson]

That's tough. That's tough. Yeah, it is.

[Ocho Cinco]

And the fact that I asked that question and. And 90% of the saints fans were like, yeah, it's going to be a long year. We might win four games. Hey, we won five last year. We still haven't. We still haven't addressed the position that is the most important that we do need. And obviously they took Tyler Schuck and. What? Second round.

[Chad Johnson]

I think they took him in. It took him in the second round.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, it.

[Chad Johnson]

40Th overall, Ocho. 40th okay.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, yeah. So I'm assuming. I'm not sure what they saw and feel from him as opposed to what we saw on film from 12. But listen, that conversation is like beating a dead horse. They saw what they saw. I'm not sure who the scouts were and felt he was. So maybe he is. Maybe he is. We'll find out. Yep, Lenovo is built for creators who don't wait for inspiration. They chase it with inventive tech, built in AI tools and seamless performance. Lenovo devices powered by Intel Core Ultra.

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