BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 2 Part 1: Dillon Gabriel throwing SHADE?! + Giants QB room

Summary

Club Shay Shay – "Best of NFL Preseason Week 2 Part 1: Dillon Gabriel Throwing SHADE?! + Giants QB Room"

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Date: August 20, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (not present in transcript), Ocho, Chad
Episode Theme: Breaking down key storylines from NFL preseason Week 2, including rookie quarterback performances, debates about team decisions, and a spirited discussion about comments made by Dillon Gabriel.

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the most intriguing storylines of the NFL's second preseason week, with a lively, highly opinionated back-and-forth between Ocho and Chad. They explore quarterback controversies, rookies showing promise or struggling, and off-field narratives making headlines—especially the tension surrounding Dillon Gabriel’s "entertainer vs. competitor" comment.

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Giants Quarterback Room: Who's Staying, Who's Going?

Key Points

• Rookie Performance:
  Jackson Dart (Giants’ rookie first-round pick) impressed across two games, strengthening speculation about his spot on the depth chart:

  • Game 1 (vs. Bills): 12/19, 154 yards, 1 TD
  • Game 2 (vs. Jets): 14/16, 137 yards, 1 pass TD, 1 rush TD, 0 INTs

• QB Depth:
  Debate over whether Giants will keep three or four quarterbacks:

  • Russell Wilson: Clear day-one starter
  • Jackson Dart: Solid #2 QB potentially
  • Jameis Winston: Veteran presence valued for leadership

Timestamps & Notable Quotes

• Discussion on keeping all quarterbacks
  Chad: "The fact that they're keeping all three of them is a really good thing because Jackson Dart... will be developing and would be the practice squad quarterback." (05:53)

  Ocho: "Do you really keep the veteran as the third guy?" (06:22)

  Chad: "Absolutely. Because... He adds more value outside of just being on the field as a starting quarterback." (06:35)

• Locker Room Value
  Chad: "You don't let a locker room presence like that go. You just don't." (06:46)

• Economic Realities
  Ocho: "Salaries are exploding so much... You used to be able to keep a veteran guy, 'cause the numbers were low. They were favorable." (07:11)

• Final Prediction Chad: "I can't remember a scenario where there were four quarterbacks on the team. I can remember every scenario. There was always three." (33:27) Ocho: Points out the rare exceptions like the 2000 Patriots, but acknowledges "It's a different time now." (34:22)

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Justin Fields & Jets' Offensive Struggles

• Fields Stat Line:
  Started hot but ended the game 0-for-3 targeting Garrett Wilson. Ocho and Chad note the lack of a true #2 wide receiver to complement Wilson as a major issue.

• Receiver Depth
  The hosts discuss Alan Lazard and Josh Reynolds as supporting wideouts, but Ocho says, "When you... get paid 30 million... you ain't got no excuses. Go get open." (09:02)

• Stability & Pressure
  Chad: "Justin Fields is finally getting his turn. He doesn't have to look over his shoulder. This is your team. This is your make-or-break year." (10:21)

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"Entertainer or Competitor?" – The Dillon Gabriel Controversy

Storyline

Dillon Gabriel, after a mixed performance with a pick-six and a fumble, raised eyebrows postgame with the statement: "There are entertainers and there are competitors, and my job is to compete." (13:59)
He later clarified, claiming the comment was directed at the media, not teammate Shador Sanders, but the hosts debate whether he was taking a subtle shot.

Key Points & Heated Exchanges

• Was it shade at Shador?
  Ocho: "I disagree with you. I think he was taking a shot at Shador." (16:33)
  Chad: "You think so?" (16:36)
  Ocho argues that the language and timing echo past criticisms of Shador's “entertainer” persona.

• Ocho Lays Out the Case:
  Ocho: "Name the time you’ve ever heard someone say, 'There are entertainers and there are competitors, and I’m here to compete.' Tell me the time." (16:51)

  Ocho: "We've heard people say that’s what he’s more interested in doing." (17:07)

• Chad Counters:
  Chad is skeptical Gabriel would be brash enough, “I don't even think he has the balls to be able to say something like that out the blue... If it was Johnny Manziel or Baker Mayfield, I’d see it.” (20:32)

• Wider NFL Context:
  Ocho: "Floyd Mayweather was an entertainer. Michael Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, Steph—entertainers AND competitors. To try to make those two things mutually exclusive is just not true." (20:03)

• Community Reaction:
  Host reads the live chat's mixed reaction: "88% said it was a shot, 12% said it was not." (25:42)

  Chad: “If there's no address on it, it doesn't have a destination. I'm not throwing hints and doing no riddles. This ain't, you know, Dr. Seuss or Cat in the Hat." (26:05)

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Quarterback Competitions: Browns, Colts, and the Perils of Preseason

Browns’ Crowded QB Room

• Multiple QBs in play (Wilson, Shador, Gabriel, others).

• Practice squad and active roster logistics; not enough spots for all.

  Ocho: "To have four active quarterbacks... means you're going to probably have to go without a wide receiver or... defensive lineman... those are guys that can play special teams. Your quarterback's not doing that." (35:29)

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Colts Quarterback Battle: Daniel Jones vs. Anthony Richardson

Key Moments

• Richardson’s Upside & Frustration Chad: "Anthony Richardson is supposed to be like our new version of Cam Newton. That's the kind of potential..." (60:05) Ocho: "After this year, Richardson’s supposed to be going to the table for one of those $250M, $300M deals." (60:34)

• Jones Getting the Nod Both believe Daniel Jones has the edge, especially after the team invested $14M for him on a one-year deal versus Richardson’s $3.8M salary:

  • Chad: "14 ain't sitting on a bench, I can tell you that." (58:36)
  • Ocho: "Why bring a guy in to make $14 million if he’s gonna be the backup?" (57:27)

• Coach's View Colts HC Shane Steichen: “I've seen obviously three weeks of it. So I like to have a decision here shortly. I'm very close, I'll say that. I'm very, very close.” (51:36)

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Side Notes & Humorous Moments

• Funniest Line
  Chad’s Top 3 Hardest Things in Life:

  1. "Find a franchise QB for 10 years or more."
  2. "Hit a baseball at 95 MPH on a consistent basis."
  3. "Try keeping a woman happy long-term, outside the honeymoon phase." (40:01)

• Relationship Digression
  The hosts briefly riff on marriage and relationships, using analogies back to the football world (41:41—43:50).
  Chad: "Out of 32 years married, how many of those were happy? The first three." (40:49)

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Segment Timestamps (Key Sections)

• [02:38] – Giants QB room analysis, depth chart debates
• [07:29] – Justin Fields & Jets receiver depth
• [13:59] – The Dillon Gabriel “entertainer vs. competitor” controversy kicks off
• [20:32–26:05] – Debate: Did Gabriel throw shade at Shador?
• [33:27] – Roster logistics: Three QBs vs. four
• [51:36] – Colts HC on QB competition status
• [60:05] – High expectations for Anthony Richardson, the Cam Newton comp
• [40:01] – Chad’s top three hardest things in life

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Quotes of the Episode

• Ocho: "I've been very, very impressed with Jackson Dart through the first two weeks." (07:29)
• Ocho: "When you get paid 30 million... you ain't got no excuses. Go get open.” (09:02)
• Chad: “You don't let a locker room presence like that go. You just don't.” (06:46)
• Ocho: "Floyd Mayweather was an entertainer. Yes, but he was a competitor." (20:02)
• Chad: “14 ain't sitting on a bench, I can tell you that.” (58:36)
• Chad: "Three hardest things in life: NFL team to find a 10-year franchise QB, hit a 95 MPH fastball, keep a woman happy after the honeymoon phase." (40:01)

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Summary Takeaways

• Young quarterbacks are a focal point: Who will develop fastest? Who is truly ready?
• Veteran QBs matter more than their stats; leadership counts, but hard roster choices loom.
• Media narratives and player comments (“entertainer” vs. “competitor”) are under more scrutiny than ever.
• Contract size and off-field value still drive questionable decisions.
• Chad and Ocho keep the debate loose, real, and full of football wisdom and barbershop-level jokes.

This episode is a must-listen for fans glued to NFL preseason battles and anyone who loves spirited, unfiltered football talk.

Transcript

[Chad]

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[Ocho]

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It'S your favorite sports thunk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're gonna make Ocho cry. Giants rookie first round draft pick Jackson Dart through two preseason games. Game 1 against the Bills, 12 of 19, 154, one touchdown. Today against the Jets, 14 of 16, 137. One passing touchdown, one rushing touchdowns, zero interceptions. Head coach Brian Dayball asked if Jackson Dart could take starting job for Russell Wilson. Russell, Russ is our starting quarterback. We're going to keep developing Jackson. I do see a scenario.

[Chad]

Right.

[Ocho]

Jackson Dart starts the season as the number two quarterback. Yeah.

[Chad]

Oh, absolutely. And. And Jameson, number three, because I don't think there is a number four. The fact that they're keeping all three of them is a really good thing because Jackson Dart has.

[Ocho]

You think they keep all four? You think they keep all three of them?

[Chad]

Yeah, absolutely. Do you think the Giants letting Jameis go? Absolutely not. James is a good veteran even if he's not on the field. Good locker room presence. A good locker room present. Don't fall. Yeah.

[Ocho]

How much money does James have, guaranteed?

[Chad]

Wait, get her her iPad. In her. In her shoes. No, that's my charger, Papa. That's my charger. Okay, Yeah, I got her charger. Come on. You don't need to put him on.

[Ocho]

2 year 9 million, right? 2 million.

[Chad]

Give me that. A kiss. Come here. Give me kiss while you finish. You keep interrupting. Now you good. Say bye, aunt. Say bye. Bye.

[Ocho]

Bye.

[Chad]

Bye. Love you. I love you.

[Ocho]

Love you too.

[Chad]

All right. Okay. Now. Now we go. Now we can talk. We can talk. You can talk. We can go. No more interruptions.

[Ocho]

Ocho. Damn.

[Chad]

What happened? What? What happened?

[Ocho]

I'm trying to like. I mean, looking at it. Russ is the starter, right? You're developing, you're developing, you're developing. Jackson Dart, last week he started number three. This week he starts number two.

[Chad]

I. I wouldn't look into that. You're looking. You look too much into it. You're looking too much into it. Okay. I think the ball, they have their mind made up that they're going to allow him to develop and allow him to sit back. Michael Vick, when he played, he sat back. I think rookies not being thrown to the wolves, some are good at it.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no. Russ is the starter. I believe Russ starts.

[Chad]

Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm trying. I'm looking at the sit. I'm looking at the situation with Jameis.

[Chad]

Oh, he's not going nowhere. He's not going nowhere. They're gonna keep. They're gonna keep three quarterbacks. Jackson Dart will more so obviously be developing and he would be the practice squad quarterback.

[Ocho]

I don't know.

[Chad]

I don't think they throwing young bull out there to the wolves like that as a rookie.

[Ocho]

No, I'm not saying. No, he's not saying. Russ starting.

[Chad]

Right.

[Ocho]

Russ is going to be the day one starter.

[Chad]

Right.

[Ocho]

But if Russ is the day one starter and then you have a rookie as the backup, do you really keep the veteran as the third guy? Absolutely. That's what I'm. That's what I'm asking you.

[Chad]

Absolutely. Because the third guy that you're keeping is more valuable than just being on the goddamn. Excuse me. Than just being on the field. He adds more value outside of just being on the field as a starting quarterback. You don't. You don't let a locker room presence like that go. You just don't.

[Ocho]

They do it all the time.

[Chad]

But there's only one Jameis Winston.

[Ocho]

No, I know.

[Chad]

There's only one.

[Ocho]

And they let him go in New Orleans when he's more than that. They let him go in Cleveland when he was more than that.

[Chad]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

So it's not like it used to be Ocho, because the salaries are exploding so much.

[Chad]

Right.

[Ocho]

And you used to be able to keep a veteran guy.

[Chad]

Right? Because the numbers were low. The numbers were low. They were favorable.

[Ocho]

They were favorable. Yes, yes.

[Chad]

I got you. I got you. You Right.

[Ocho]

But it's gonna be. It's gonna be very interesting, but I've been very, very impressed with Jackson dart through the first two two weeks. Justin Fields and the passing offense were out of sync today. Fields completed his first throw, then finished with five straight incompletions in two series. Fields went.03 when targeting wide out Garrett Wilson, his old buddy from Ohio State. The lack of a legit wide receiver number two to compliment Wilson is one of the reasons why they're not clicking. I don't know why they didn't go get another receiver. Ojo.

[Chad]

Wait, who's the number two in New York?

[Ocho]

Alan Lazard. Is he hurt?

[Chad]

Chad, who's the number two in New York? Wait. Matter of fact, you got Breece hall and what's Alan first name? God. What's Alan first name, baby? Derrick, Henry.

[Ocho]

Raylon, Josh Reynolds and Alan Lazard.

[Chad]

Josh Reynolds. Josh Reynolds. Josh Reynolds.

[Ocho]

You remember Josh Reynolds, used to play with the Rams. He was in Detroit.

[Chad]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I mean, I mean, I like It.

[Ocho]

But you know what, Ocho? When you. That dog and they gave you 30 million. Damn. What's on the other side.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Go get open.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

They play you 30 million when you the number one, right? You get no excuses.

[Chad]

There are none. No. They pay you that kind of money. No. You're number one for a reason. You're number one because two, three, and four can't do what you can do.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Chad]

I don't think that. I don't. I don't think what was getting open the issue. It wasn't the issue. It's just the passes might have.

[Ocho]

Well, I saw two routes. He ran a stop route. Guy was right there. I think he ran another route. The guy was, you know, See, that's.

[Chad]

Why I don't like them damn joint practices, stuff like that. You didn't see. You don't see it all week. You know what's coming. Formation recognition, knowing the count, knowing where I'm lining up. Understand, I'm a split and you know what's coming, so you're gonna sit there and cheat.

[Ocho]

I don't.

[Chad]

I don't like that. I don't like that. Because Garrett Wilson is a route runner. I don't know if he paid attention. Attention to him. Yeah, he's a route. He's a route runner. So, I mean, I think they're gonna be all right. It's a little too soon, the panic, you know, whatever. Justin Fields is finally getting his turn. He doesn't have to look over his shoulder. This is your team. This is your team. You have a head coach that is going to do right by you. You got. You got to make the most of this opportunity. And I mean, it's preseason. You want to get all your mistakes out right now. So the game you have today, you don't want. You can't repeat these.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Chad]

You got to fix it now because he's in year what? This is year four.

[Ocho]

Justin Fields.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Two years. Three. Yeah. The year four.

[Chad]

Yeah. Yeah. This is. This is your. Make it. This is your. Make it a break of year two.

[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

We gotta get back to the Dylan Brooks. Dylan Brooks. Dylan Gabriel. Eight of his first nine passes through a pick six bad decision but was later credited With a fumble on a botched handoff. After the game, he made some very, very interesting comments. He said there are entertainers and they're competitors and my job is to compete.

[Chad]

Right.

[Ocho]

He tried to clarify later at the press are saying he meant the media are the entertainers and a competitor and he's a competitor. But. And he wasn't taking a shot at Shador, but the damage was done. Everybody knows what he meant by. Because you know why? And I'm let you take off. You remember at Oregon what the head coach said when they played Colorado, right?

[Chad]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Who was the quarterback?

[Chad]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Ocho]

All right, go ahead. OO. Go ahead.

[Chad]

Well, listen, I, I don't, I don't. Hey, Chad. I don't. I don't want to do him like that. I want to give Dylan Gabriel a little grace, a little understanding, because I don't think a college kid coming in as a rookie in NFL would take that kind of shot at a teammate that he's competing with for a job. I, I just don't see. I, I don't see it. I see it as, as him when he says entertainers in that aspect where he said it's the media. I'm not sure how he views the media as the entertainers, but the way the media stirs the pot and creates the ruckus and all he does is compete. I see, I see it from that sense. I, I don't see him as. I'm. I'm not even sure if he's that type of person, that type of type of individual to even had that kind of savvy, to say something like that publicly as brash in that moment. So I'm going to give him a little grace. I think Dylan Gabriel actually played well. He played well. You know what he did those, those first few. Drive, driving, driving the team down the field. He made some really good throws. He was poised in the pocket. He had command of the offense. Obviously, the, the, the pick six for one. He has to see that there are two people. Somebody ran the wrong route. Two people in the same place. Never happens. There always has to be spacing on all concepts when it comes to running routes. So as a quarterback, you have to see that, all right, there are two players in the wrong place. Don't make a bad play even worse by even throwing the ball. You should just chuck that out of bounds because you're already outside the pocket anyway. New down. So I think he's going to be fine getting those reps in and it's all about making plays at the quarterback position, but how consistent can you bleed? And so when some. Sometimes there's a chance you can make something out of nothing, and then sometimes you can't. And I thought he played okay. He played really well.

[Ocho]

I disagree with you. I think he was taking a shot at Shador.

[Chad]

You think so?

[Ocho]

When have we ever thought about the media, those beat writers, as entertainers? We've heard his coach. He was on the team when he said they're celebs.

[Chad]

Wait, but you can't tie him and his coach together as if they have the same mind as they're. As if they're one.

[Ocho]

Name the time. You've ever heard someone say there are entertainers and there are competitors, and I'm here to compete. Tell me the time.

[Chad]

Right, okay, listen. Let's say he's taking a shot at Shador, right? At what point has he been an entertainer? He's a football player as well.

[Ocho]

But we've heard people say that's what he's more interested in doing.

[Chad]

And what. I'm just curious.

[Ocho]

Okay, tell me what you're curious about.

[Chad]

Well, you said he's more interested in entertaining.

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[Ocho]

I'm saying that's what people have said about Shador, about entertaining, about the antics.

[Chad]

Right, right. Okay, I see. I see where you're going. I see where you're going.

[Ocho]

Plus, we've heard this before, and sometimes it seeps. It seeps out when you've been around people and they perceive other people as. That if you're not careful, you'll repeat what you've heard someone say about someone.

[Chad]

Okay, I see where you're going with it. Okay, okay, okay.

[Ocho]

He didn't have to say that. He did all he says. Look, I'm here to compete. Whatever happens happened. It doesn't matter if I'm first team, second team, third team, or fourth team. My job is to compete. Why did he have to throw the entertainer aspect in of it?

[Chad]

All right?

[Ocho]

I mean, everybody's entertainer. That's what football is, entertainment.

[Chad]

Yeah, it's an entertainment.

[Ocho]

Everybody's entertainers, right?

[Chad]

Yeah, you're right. You're right. It's an entertainment sport. It's entertainment. He might have been taking a shot at me. Shit.

[Ocho]

Nah. No, I. I know, but he can't compete with you. He can't compete with you. I disagree, Chad. I don't know what you guys think, but I think. I think he was trying to take a subtle shot. Because if he wasn't, why are you trying to clear it up? Why are you trying to clarify?

[Chad]

Oh, because obviously once you say something like that, it ruffles all the feathers and then it comes back.

[Ocho]

Why are you ruffling feathers, Ocho? It ain't nothing. You telling me in the chat, it's nothing, right?

[Chad]

His choice of words. His choice of words. It ruffled feathers because that's probably not what he actually meant. I honestly think it was an honest mistake because he's not. Let me stay with me real quick. Let me say something for you. Let me say something real quick. He is not media savvy with the mic in front of him like a Tom Brady. He's not media savvy like a quarterback.

[Ocho]

He's not a quarterback at the University of Oregon.

[Chad]

No, no, he's just not. Because if he was, he wouldn't have said what he said. There's a way you go about doing things and he hasn't learned it yet. He's not savvy like that yet.

[Ocho]

Sometimes you. Sometimes you get caught up in the moment, you playing. Well, it's the middle of the game, Ocho. You gotta realize now you're right there in that moment. Sometimes when emotion is high, logic is low, and you feeling good is, hey, they're entertainers and I'm a competent and competitors and I'm here to compete. Oh, he's like, oh, if he. If it meant nothing by that, nobody would have. Nobody would have said anything about it. Nobody would have thought. Would not even have thought. Would not even battle the knife. But they took it. Most people took it. I believe the way he intended it that he's not. He's not fancy, he's not entertaining. He's a competitor. I don't know what he thinks your duo is there to do. I believe two things. They're not mutually exclusive.

[Chad]

Right?

[Ocho]

Floyd. Floyd Mayweather was an entertainer. Yes, but he was a competitor.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, they're entertainers, but they're competitors. Steph Curry, all that dancing and turning around, he's shooting shot and he only look at it before it goes in. That's entertainment. But he's a damn fierce competitor.

[Chad]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Ocho]

So to try to make those two things mutually exclusive is just not true. I believe you can do both of them, but I believe he took me. I could be wrong, and if I'm wrong, I apologize. But I believe he took a slow shot at Shador. I do.

[Chad]

Honestly. You want me to tell you the truth, and I mean no disrespect to Dylan Gabriel. I don't Even think he has the balls to be able to say something like that out the blue. That's how. That's how I know. I mean, he doesn't carry himself like that, especially coming out of college. If he was that type of player, if he showed that kind of like, if it was. Think about this. Think about Johnny Mizell in college, right?

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Chad]

Think about Baker Mayfield in college, right? Now, if it was one of them that said something like that, I'd be like, yeah, he's definitely taking a shot at Shador. But he's never shown any signs of being as Brad.

[Ocho]

When he's ever been in competition.

[Chad]

Huh?

[Ocho]

When he's ever been in competition. He wasn't gonna beat Justin Herbert out, so he wasn't in competition. When did the. When was the last time Dylan Gabriel was in a quarterback competition? Yeah, go ahead and sip your tea. Coffee, whatever that is. Latte. Latte. Yeah, go ahead and sip that. So, but now. Now back to our originally scheduled programming. When was the last time Dylan Gabriel was in a quarterback competition? Exactly.

[Chad]

Yeah, you're right.

[Ocho]

Because think about it. How many yards has he passed for? Do you know how many. Do you know how long you got to be in college to pass for the amount of yards that he's passed for?

[Chad]

Right.

[Ocho]

Justin Herbert's been in the league how long? Because didn't he take up for Justin Herbert in 2020? So Dylan Gabriel has been in the lead. He's been the starting quarterback since, what, 21? No, he came from Oklahoma. Didn't Gabriel come from Oklahoma? He transferred from Oklahoma. So he's been. He. Yeah, he was in.

[Chad]

So if he transferred from Oklahoma. Are you telling me he ran from competition?

[Ocho]

No, he ran to the money.

[Chad]

Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Ocho]

One, two.

[Chad]

Oh.

[Ocho]

So he started ucf. Oh, he started at UCF for three years. He was two years in Oklahoma, and then he spent one year at. At. At Oregon.

[Chad]

Ah. Okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Ocho]

That's. Okay. That's Bo Nicks. That was Bo Nix. I apologize. That was Bo Nicks. That was there when the coach. Remember when they played CU Ocho.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And the quarterback. What did he say? Instagram, Some of them tried to get followers. They tried to get clicks and followers, and we're trying to win football games.

[Chad]

Oh, that's right. That was the organ coach. I remember that.

[Ocho]

That was an Oregon coach. I apologize. That wasn't Dylan Gabriel. That was Bo Nicks. That was his quarterback at the time, when he said that.

[Chad]

Ah, see? Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Ocho]

But you gotta but again, for me, when was the last time Dylan. Dylan Gabriel was in a quarterback competition? He was three years at. He was three years at ucf. He was two years at Oklahoma and one year at what you saw. So six years. So in six years of college football, six years. Yeah. Three years at ucf, two years of Oklahoma, one year at how they got all the goddamn time, man, them guys be getting 7 and 8 years old. Cho, you see the guy 32. What a Covid year. So he gave everybody an extra year if you wanted it.

[Chad]

Understandable. But listen, what the chat.

[Ocho]

What the chat say. The chad believe he took a shot or no?

[Chad]

Let me look in the chat. I ain't even. I ain't open my phone. Hold on. I'm curious to see what the chat was, what the chat would think. They are saying. The chat is saying. I believe he throwing shade. I thought football was a brotherhood. I never seen him do that. Don't need it. He lost in job. Oh, he lost his job at ou. He got hurt at you. Oh, shoot. Well, I. But it looked like. It looked like it's like a mix. It's a mix on how everybody feel. Go ahead. You want something, go ahead.

[Ocho]

We placing the poll up. I just think the thing is. It was. Look, and I think the thing is, because, Ocho, what it is, is normally we don't get this. We don't normally be interviewing.

[Chad]

Right.

[Ocho]

Especially if you're playing during the course of a game.

[Chad]

Yeah, it's different now.

[Ocho]

They get, you know, a half, you know, in the preseason game, if you're not playing, they'll get you. Hey, we get a few words. Yeah, it's exciting, you know, got some work in. Knocked some of the knock, some of the dust, the rust off. And now it's time for the younger guys and other guys to get an opportunity to show what they can do. I'm sure the coaches are excited about that. Hopefully everybody came out injury free. We'll see after the game, so forth and so on. But hell, everybody out there to compete. I mean, you do realize, like, in pro sports, it's all about. Hey, it's all about competition, Ocho.

[Chad]

Yeah, yeah, most definitely. I think.

[Ocho]

Are you competing in your locker room or you competing against the other locker room? But you always in competition.

[Chad]

Yeah. Hey, listen, every. Every week.

[Ocho]

Yes, every day.

[Chad]

Every day. You know, I think he understands that. That's why I said I'm giving him grace. And obviously, I think you giving him too much credit. You giving him too much credit for those of the people that think he was actually taking it, Taking a shot at Shador. I think we've given him too much credit to think he would come out and do something like that publicly or to even slip up or even, you know, I just don't. I just don't think that's him.

[Ocho]

Oh. 88 said it was a shot, 12 said it was not.

[Chad]

Oh, shoot. Well, maybe y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Chad]

Yeah, maybe y' all see it different because I wouldn't paint it like that, honestly. You know, I mean, I mean, if you're gonna say something, you know, if, if there, if there's no address on. Don't have no destination. If there's no address on it, it doesn't have a destination.

[Ocho]

So let me ask you a question.

[Chad]

I'm not throwing no hints and doing no riddles. This ain't, you know, Dr. Seuss or Cat in the Hat.

[Ocho]

How about this here?

[Chad]

Come on, talk to me.

[Ocho]

Coming out. How many front office people you think said exactly what Dylan Gabriel said? He's more into entertainment and doing all this and all those antics. They're competing.

[Chad]

Okay, listen, I'm picking. Hey, listen, I'm picking up what you're putting down now. Now you make, now you're making a little sense to me. Putting down. I, I, I, I, I don't like that because that, I, I don't like that because that's a part of the game.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Chad]

It's always been a part of the game.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Chad]

It's never been a part of the game at that specific position, though.

[Ocho]

Correct.

[Chad]

At that position is frowned upon.

[Ocho]

They normally buttoned up.

[Chad]

Always. Always. Because when you pick that position and you pay them the kind of money you pay him, not only you represent the Shield, you represent the team and the organization as well. You are the face of a franchise.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Chad]

Decade more.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Chad]

So I understand. And now. Okay, I'm with you now. I'm with you. I'm with you.

[Ocho]

You look at his dad.

[Chad]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

He was the ultimate entertainer.

[Chad]

Yes.

[Ocho]

But was one of the most, One of the fiercest competitors. He believed that, you know what? Prime time. That's what you paid to see. You paid me to see all the antics that, you know, hey, get it up. You know, he dancing before they punt him or kick the ball to him. He got the ball up behind. He got his hand behind his head.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I gotta entertain y'.

[Chad]

All.

[Ocho]

It ain't, it ain't. It ain't good enough for me to just get a pick. It ain't good enough. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not enough. You can get. Anybody can do that. I want to be outgoing. I want to be braggadocious. I want you to know who and what I am.

[Chad]

Talk to me. Now. That sound. Hey, that sound familiar, don't it?

[Ocho]

Yeah, the stats. Week one, Shador was 14 to 23, 157, two touchdowns. Dylan Gabriel was 13 of 18, 144 with, oh, total yards. Total yards. Okay. 157 total yards. 144 for Gabriel. Shador had two touchdowns, no turnovers. And Dylan Gabriel had no touchdowns and two turnovers. He had a pick and a fumble. Look, I. I thought he. I thought he played like you said. Uh, I thought he played a good game with the exception of the turnover. That. That bad interception in the beginning. But. But do you know the thing I noticed.

[Chad]

Talk to me.

[Ocho]

The first thing I say, I see. Damn, he tiny.

[Chad]

Oh, yeah, he's small. He's small.

[Ocho]

I'm like, oh, my goodness.

[Chad]

Like maybe Baker height.

[Ocho]

No. Hell no. He wish you, man. Bam. Huh? They list him at five, eleven, so then five, ten, and a quarter.

[Chad]

Be like Bryce Young then, too. Bryce Young, Yes. Yeah. Yeah, about the same. So obviously, Stefanski and the way that they would run a completely different offense if they had Dylan Gabriel starting as opposed to Shador.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you got to roll him out because he's small. You need to put him outside so he can see. He can. He can see clean pockets. Yes.

[Chad]

You got to roll the pocket. You got to roll the pocket. Or boom. Have him in the goddamn gun all the time. Yeah, one or the other. But if Baker. If Baker Mayfield could be successful doing it, obviously, of the weaponry around him, I mean, shoot, he should be. He should be able to succeed as well.

[Ocho]

Yeah. A Baker, man. I don't think people give Baker enough credit. Baker is a really good thrower of the football. You don't win the Heisman Trophy like he did, get that team to the College Football Playoff. And now that he's in a system and now he's with coaches, that allows him to be Baker. He's been to Pro Bowls. Baker is a better throw of the football than I think we give him credit for or we gave him credit for, especially now that he's in a system and he's with coaches that believe in him and will allow him to be himself. We'll see. Look, Dylan Gabriel did throw 4 ton of yards. I will not take that away from him. Over 16,000 yards. I mean, hell, he played six years, so he I mean, damn. I'm like, you ultra, like, damn. Six years.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So how old is he? If he plays six years, he got to be like, 24 already.

[Chad]

I didn't know that was possible.

[Ocho]

No. Oh, yeah. No, they got. He's 24. Ojo. I was. I was 21. I turned 22 after I got drafted. So he already. I mean, so helly. Bryce young age. He might be older than Bryce. Yeah, he might. He. Bryce young age. He's got to be Bryce Young's age.

[Chad]

Damn. Hey, hey, that's. That's funny. That's. That's funny. Like, I, I, I'm. I'm baffled. I'm a problem.

[Ocho]

Hold on. Let me, Let me see what you're baffled. Are you baffled that he played six years and he's 24, or you baffled that the chat believes along with that? I believe that he was taking. She was throwing shade or taking a shot at Shador?

[Chad]

Yeah, all of the above.

[Ocho]

Or some of the above.

[Chad]

All of the above. Because honestly, I think y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Chad]

Y' all get. Y' all giving the dog it. Y' all giving somebody too much credit. You give them too much credit. Too much credit to say I'm gonna be brash enough to sit here and talk about someone that is on my team and take a shot not. And then. No, that's giving him too much credit. As if he's a mastermind and now media savvy and knowing how to point.

[Ocho]

Out he didn't think about it. He didn't think clearly enough. Sometimes, Ocho, sometimes we have to be careful of what we say around others. Because guess what? We get on here or we get on TV and then something that we talking about in the barbershop or we're talking about, it'll come out. Because sometimes you forget where you are.

[Chad]

Yeah, yeah, I think. Listen, young. Young Bull played. He played. He played well.

[Ocho]

He played good. Yeah.

[Chad]

Outside of the interception for six and the fumble, in which it wasn't his fault on the fumble, because the guy. I'm looking at the replay, I'm trying to figure out why the running back ain't got a goddamn man. Open your arm. What is you doing? He looking. He looking straight ahead instead of, you know. Come on, man. Tighten up, man. But outside of that, listen, hey, who they play next week?

[Ocho]

Who do Browns play? It's the last game.

[Chad]

Oh, man, who you tell? You ain't got to tell me twice. I heard. I heard you before.

[Ocho]

And they normally play on. They're probably going to play on Thursday, right?

[Chad]

Saturday.

[Ocho]

They play Saturday. Play Saturday against the Rams.

[Chad]

Hey, man, listen. All hands on deck. All hands on deck. I'm not sure what they're gonna do. I'm not sure what they're gonna do. I'm excited. I'm excited because I love. I love a healthy competition.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Chad]

I love a healthy competition.

[Ocho]

I. I don't believe they're keeping all these quarterbacks. I don't know, Joe. I don't.

[Chad]

Well, hey, listen, they're. They're. I mean, the Saints. Never mind. I ain't gonna do that. I ain't gonna be rude. I'm not gonna be rude. I'm not gonna be rude.

[Ocho]

Do you believe they're gonna keep all these quarterbacks?

[Chad]

Honestly, I'll be honest with you. You played the game a very long time. I played the game a very long time. I can't remember a scenario where there were four quarterbacks on the team. I can remember every scenario. There was always three. Always three. So if there was an odd man out, to me thinking, yes, if there was going to be one, and that's simply maybe because of the injury right now and not being able to showcase. Not being able to showcase much, you know, and no disrespect to Kenny, you know, you had opportunity at Pittsburgh. Obviously, in Philly, there's no. You. There's no way you're going to start in front of Jalen. Hurts. But I mean, why would they. Why would they not keep. Yes, baby. Yeah.

[Ocho]

I agree. I think.

[Chad]

Wait till the food comes for your food, your chicken nuggets. Okay.

[Ocho]

Four quarterbacks. New England kept four quarterbacks in 2000, but it's a different time now.

[Chad]

Right.

[Ocho]

Coach Belichick said he was worried that if he released Tom, somebody was going to sign it.

[Chad]

Yes. And that's exactly what would happen.

[Ocho]

You gotta say. And you would have to sign him to the actor. They would sign him to the active roster. So he didn't want to run that risk.

[Chad]

So they.

[Ocho]

They. They stashed four quarterbacks. But I agree with you and this situation, the way it's currently constructed, Right. I don't see a scenario where you keep four active quarterbacks right now. You might have two quarterbacks and one of the practice squad guy. And then you say, for the sake of argument, somebody get nicked, you might bring him up, you might elevate him. Yeah, but to have four active quarterbacks, and that means you're going to probably have to go without a wide receiver or swing offensive lineman or rotational defensive lineman or cornerback, and One of those. And those guys are guys that can play special teams. Those are the guys that can play the punt, punt, return, kick, kick return. Your quarterback's not doing that.

[Chad]

Right.

[Ocho]

And so basically, if you keep that many positions, he can only. He's only playing one position where the other guys that I mentioned, other positions can play two positions. So because normally you're a guy that can play the guard, he can play the tackle if need be, he can play the D tackle, he can play the dn, but he can also be on field goal, field goal block, things of that nature.

[Chad]

Hold on. We talk about. We don't know who they gonna take. Hell, let's play goddamn devil's advocate then. Let's play devil's ass advocate. Has the Morty said what he got to say. Andrew Barry knows that he's a genius in being able to get Shador in the fifth round.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad]

You Stefanski, who you want.

[Ocho]

Whoever has them won't.

[Chad]

Damn you for real?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad]

Wait, As a. As.

[Ocho]

Let me ask you a question.

[Chad]

As a head coach. As a head coach, you're going to choose just because of whatever personal vendetta has or may have to say some of the things he said, you're going to put your job on the line for somebody you know isn't better than the person that he doesn't want.

[Ocho]

If that man said. Let me ask you a question. When you got your. Did you ever get. Did you ever get a physical copy of your check or was your money always direct deposited?

[Chad]

Direct deposit. But I got the. I went upstairs and always got the deposit.

[Ocho]

I'll tell you what, when you went to OTAs and you got those with those deposited, because last I checked, when I got my check, it always say the Denver Broncos football club, right? And that thing to the left, it said Pat D. Boland.

[Chad]

Okay.

[Ocho]

That thing said the Cleveland Browns football Club, right. Jimmy, probably Jimmy and D. Haslam. Now you would ask me that again. Which one do I want?

[Chad]

I got you.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Chad]

I got you. I got you.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Chad]

The fact that I sat here and forgot the person that said what he said in the position of power that they were in my bad. You right?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad]

But again, maybe that's the problem, you know. Can I ask you a question?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad]

With my lack of knowledge and knowing, Mr. Hasn't like that. How long has he been.

[Ocho]

He brought it from the learner. I think he brought it from. He's been there probably, what, 15 years? Ash. I think he's on the Browns for about 15 years. He's only for a minute.

[Chad]

Okay, so he's been there 15 years at least.

[Ocho]

At bare minimum.

[Chad]

15 years later, they're still looking for a what?

[Ocho]

QB.

[Chad]

Okay, but we supposed to take it. Okay. Don't worry about it. You're right.

[Ocho]

13 years.

[Chad]

You're right.

[Ocho]

So he's been there since 2012.

[Chad]

Okay.

[Ocho]

From the learner family, right? Yeah.

[Chad]

Well, we supposed to take his word?

[Ocho]

Okay, well, I'll tell me. In the limited Snickets series, a series of unfortunate events happened. You know, they thought they had the quarterback. I went to the movie with Jim Carrey. My. My poo. By my daughter. She's. She's read it. She read the whole series. That's what she got for Christmas. One year. They thought they had their quarterback, but it was a series of unfortunate events. Yeah, that, you know, shoulder Achilles and things of that nature. But it's not easy. It's not easy finding a quarterback. Actually, it might be the hardest thing to do in professional sports.

[Chad]

It is. It is. I. I think. You know what. Can I. Can I say something real quick?

[Ocho]

Go ahead.

[Chad]

Can I say something real quick? I'm gonna give you the three hardest things in life to do. Hey, Chad, y' all write this down too. Chat. I'm gonna give y' all two seconds to grab a pen. The three hardest things in life to do. Number one is the NFL team. Find a quarterback that can be a franchise quarterback for 10 years or more. Okay, that's one. Number two, trying to hit a baseball coming at you 95 miles an hour on a consistent basis. That's. That's two. Okay, three. Try keeping a woman happy long term, outside of the honeymoon phase.

[Ocho]

I knew you was gonna say that.

[Chad]

Last three hardest things to do in life. Now you got some. You got some. Some couples, you know, they be 15. Oh, we've been doing this 15, 17 years. Yeah. Yeah. Pretending you ain't fooling me. You smile. Pretending behind closed doors, you're arguing. I can't stand you. Don't get me started. I sat next to a married couple today. They've been married 32 years. So I was nosy.

[Ocho]

I had to ask him how y' all been together that long.

[Chad]

I had to be nosy. I say, well, out of the 32 years you've been married, how many of those years have y' all been happy? You want to know how many years of those. How many of those years she's been happy or they've been happy together?

[Ocho]

How many?

[Chad]

The first three.

[Ocho]

I don't think any couple can say They've been happy their days. If a couple tell you they've been married 10 years, 15 years, 20 years, that they've been happy all the year. No, their days. Now there are more days that I'm happy, then I'm sad or disappointed, I think.

[Chad]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, they. They got in depth. I just don't have that kind of time because I don't want to switch topics to be on football. I was just using that analogy, just bringing. Bringing in context to it.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Chad]

Couple. And he said. The husband said to me and the wife. They. They were. They. They were in agreeance, and I was enjoying. It was like I was their therapist. And I said. They said the honeymoon phase lasted for three years in the marriage. And after that, we're just. We have just been. I forgot the word she used. She used the word when. When you just. God, I forgot words she used.

[Ocho]

Working. Cohabitating.

[Chad]

Yeah, cohabit. That's the word. We're just cohabitating. And I don't want to start over, and I refuse to deal with anyone else. So we. We. And it's lasted 32. I'm like, well, God. Well, God damn. Well, congratulations to y'. All. But can I tell you what I got from that?

[Ocho]

What?

[Chad]

I don't care because I'm getting married anyway.

[Ocho]

I think the thing is, Ocho, and you see this a lot. I mean, you see a lot of couples do this. The kids get out. The kids get out of high school. The kids graduate college. What they do, they split. They go to separate ways. Oh, because sometimes. Because sometimes they look at it like, well, we ain't really got anything else to be together for now. The kid's grown.

[Chad]

Hey, you think people stay together? You think people stay together?

[Ocho]

Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

[Chad]

What? Huh? Hey, you. You're not talking. Not our people. You talking about the other side.

[Ocho]

Sometimes our people even stay together. Yes, people stay together for kids. Yeah. Hey, sometimes. Sometimes it's e. Sometimes it's easier to stay together because, you know, you can pull your money together. It's going to be much harder apart. You see this a lot in. In the professional settings, right? What. What women will tolerate in a professional setting when the money's good.

[Chad]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Hey, listen, come on. The. The longer the money that. No, no, no. Wait, wait. Hey, baby, what you doing? Hold on. I'm plugging that for you. Hold on. She didn't unplug my terminal. Lights off. The longer. The longer the money, the longer the leash. It's always Been that way. And if, and if, and if you. Depending on how serious it is, the longer. The longer you're with you. And if you happen to marry him and then they're enough. No, you're good. What you crying for? Oh, my goodness. No, you're good, you're good. I'm gonna plug it up. The longer you with them and they ready to leave, as long as they're taking something with them, they're taking something with them. They're not leaving without it. Not without that lifestyle. Yeah, I mean, you know, haggle. The game is the game. It's always been the game. You got to learn how to play it, man. That's all. Come on. One of the charges, so. All right. Come on.

[Ocho]

Shador, Week 1, 14 to 23. He had 157 total yards, two touchdowns, zero interceptions. Dylan Gabriel Reek, 213 of 18, 144 total yards, 0 for 2, zero touchdowns, two turnovers to pick six, and a fumble that was credited to him. So. And after the game, Stefanski would like. He refused to, like, you know, I'm not doing this evaluation. Well, who played this or who did better than that? We'll go back, we'll look at the film and we'll do our proper evaluation. And we are, you know, it'll be interesting to see chat when they hit the field on Monday or Tuesday, when they back at a regular practice. What is the. Scott, what is the. The sequence? 1, 2, 3, 4. Who, who. What's the slot? Where are they slotted? Where the quarterback slotted? Maybe that tells us something, maybe that tells us nothing. We don't know who starts week three. How much playing time do they get? Does he get in week three? It would be. It's going to be very, very interesting to see their eval, their valuation from week one to week two. I'm sure there are some things both guys did extremely, really well, some things they would like to have back. I'm sure the coaches, you know, give them a rundown of what they would like to have seen them do, what they'd like to see them do better. But overall, I think both guys played extremely well and should feel proud of the performance that they gave.

[Chad]

I'm excited, I'm excited. I'm excited to see what happens. I wouldn't want to be. I wouldn't want to be Brown's personnel. I wouldn't want to be Stefanski. Because, listen, depending on who they pick and who they choose, the backlash that they're going to get is going to be crazy.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Chad]

It's going. It's going to be crazy.

[Ocho]

I'm not sure if Stefanski has any control over the final 53.

[Chad]

Well, honestly, if he. How is the head coach not going to have control over who he gonna put out there on the field? And he's the one gotta coach him easy.

[Ocho]

You think, you think. You think Ryan Schottenheimer had control of the fight at 53 in Dallas? What you think, McCarthy?

[Chad]

That's a different circus. That's a different circus.

[Ocho]

I think you. I think.

[Chad]

Are we trying to win? Are we trying to win is the difference.

[Ocho]

You have to, like, come in with. You have to be Andy Reid to get that. Tomlin. You got to put some years. Unless you're, like, highly sought after right now. Yeah. Sean McVay.

[Chad]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Kyle Shanahan. Yeah, for sure.

[Chad]

You're naming all the coaches. They're allowed to pick the players they want because they're successful. Do you know why they're successful because of the players that they have.

[Ocho]

They're successful because ownership let them let stay out of their business.

[Chad]

Okay, I got you. Okay. Go, go. That's a fool. That's your food.

[Ocho]

Jim Harbaugh, right?

[Chad]

Oh, yeah. He's another one. They're consistent winners no matter where they are.

[Ocho]

He came so sought after. So you have to give up something besides money in order to entice him to leave the University of Michigan.

[Chad]

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[Ocho]

Ben Johnson came is highly touted. He was offensive coordinator for the the Lions, the Bears. You got to give him something to get him to leave besides money. And so it's going to be very, very interesting to see how this thing shapes up for the Cleveland Browns. Ocho Anthony Richardson senior saw his most extensive preseason action yet after sustaining a dislocated finger in Week 1 against the Ravens. Richardson completed 6 of 11 passes for 73 yards, but his numbers were undermined by penalties. He started 5 or 6 for 64 yards, leading a 90 yard touchdown drive with crisp passes. Offensive penalty derailed the next two possessions in the kit, including negating a 38 yard completion. Daniel Jones started the game, started the game and let a field go Drive, completing 7 of 11 for 101 yards. Colts head coach Shane Steichen strongly suggested after the game that a decision is imminent in the team's month long quarterback battle. I've seen obviously three weeks of it. So I like to have a decision here shortly. I'm very close, I'll say that. I'm very, very close. Ocho, who's week one starter.

[Chad]

I mean honestly the way it's looking, you know, is Daniel Jones. It's Daniel Jones. I think, even if, even if Anthony Richardson finger hadn't gotten hurt, I think that's what they want to go with all along anyway. I think there have been issues there with him the first two years. Obviously they haven't seen the improvement necessary, especially with year three always being the make or break year.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Chad]

Showing any improvement, I'm assuming so especially with the way that the coach is talking. I don't like it. Then you signed Daniel Jones one year, 14 million. That much. One year. They definitely, they definitely were going in the other direction regards to what Anthony Richard would have done in camp or what he would have done in the game. Like how much better are you going to be from the first two years coming into the third?

[Ocho]

Yeah, I, I agree with you.

[Chad]

There's only so much, there's only so much work. I mean it's not going to be a miracle. You, you look a certain way year one, you look a certain way year two and then all of a sudden year three, you're gonna come back and just be, oh my goodness.

[Ocho]

Yeah. But that's what they were expecting. They were expected. They respect. They were expecting a monumental jump because Ocho, you in your third year in the system.

[Chad]

Right? Okay, okay. Understandable, understandable.

[Ocho]

And he got hit in the face with a blitz that he should have got hit in the place with as a rookie, not as a third year vet.

[Chad]

Okay? Right.

[Ocho]

And so look, like I said, Ocho, we're not there. Chad, if I was there, if I was there and observe in practice, I'd be able to tell you who I think should be the starting quarterback. But unfortunately all the thing I can do is based on what we've seen thus far and look, and I don't think it's like, it's a situation where like, oh, this is. Oh, this is etched in stone. I don't think it's one of those situations, but I think it's a situation where, you know, like you said, at some point in time you gonna have to give one of these guys the majority of the reps. Ocho, you can't.

[Chad]

Keep splitting 50, 50, you already know where they going you know the game they playing. You knew the game they were playing when they brought Daniel Jones in for that. For that amount of money. For that amount of money on a one year deal. Yeah, I already knew the game they were playing. What, baby? Papa. Okay, okay. I'mma call Papa for you. She. She want.

[Ocho]

So you got Daniel Jones. This interesting Chad. Y' all think it's gonna be Daniel Jones? Y' all think it's gonna be Anthony Richardson, senior? It's not like either one of the guys just blowing you away.

[Chad]

I mean, she. Were you. You up, you upstairs? Yeah, yeah, she's. She's.

[Ocho]

All right.

[Chad]

I'm gonna just come. Come to 14, 17. 14, 14, 17.

[Ocho]

Pulling it up. All right, let's see.

[Chad]

All right. Papa coming to get you because you're not letting daddy work. Daddy working.

[Ocho]

To see Daddy that much to begin with. So I don't care about you working now. That's what I think about you working. Who did. Oh, here it is.

[Chad]

How about coming. Okay.

[Ocho]

They played the. They played the packers today.

[Chad]

Hey, were you able to watch all the games?

[Ocho]

No.

[Chad]

Yeah. Hey, they need. They need to. They need to put the games on one channel.

[Ocho]

Well, first of all, first of all, you know, it's a preseason, so basically you're gonna get only. The. Only the. You'll be able to watch the local game.

[Chad]

Right?

[Ocho]

So. But I guess, you know, they got it. They're gonna have it fixed where you'll be able to, once you play, pay all that money. Gonna cost you about $2,000 to watch all the games.

[Chad]

That much, you know?

[Ocho]

Yeah. You got to get every streaming service.

[Chad]

My. Everything is. No, everything is on one service now, right? Or am I tripping? I thought that was the whole point.

[Ocho]

You tripping.

[Chad]

Oh, man, I'm excited, bro.

[Ocho]

Daniel Jones started the game, huh? Or at the. Richardson started the game.

[Chad]

I think Daniel Jones did start. Hey.

[Ocho]

7 of 11 for 100, 101 yards. And the Richards was 6 of 11 for 73 yards. I think that's Riley Leonard. 7 of 12 for 64 yards. Dave Jones started. He started. Okay. He started game two. Anthony Richardson started game one. Okay. Okay.

[Chad]

So they. They went back and forth to make sure each person got the opportunity.

[Ocho]

And he says. Yeah, I think he says, I've. I've seen, obviously, three weeks of it, so I like to have a decision here shortly. And I'm very close. I'll say that. I'm very close. I think he's seen enough.

[Chad]

Damn.

[Ocho]

I think he's. I think he has his mind made up that who he. Who he wants to start, right? I'm leaning towards you. Why bring a guy, why bring a guy in to make $14 million into having to be the backup?

[Chad]

Yeah, totally, totally.

[Ocho]

I mean, it's not like Daniel Jones had his pick of choices where he go, I mean, not for that kind of money.

[Chad]

No, absolutely not. But that, that lets you know how in dire need of a quarterback that the Colts were.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Chad]

You saw you, you saw what you saw. You saw what you saw in New York and say, you know what? We're going to bring you in to compete because we don't think our quarterback going into year three has figured it out just yet. But hell, you didn't figure it out when you in New York. But we think you're going to come here and all of a sudden something's supposed to change. So two wrongs don't make it right.

[Ocho]

Two folds, I think they really want. Because if they bring a quarterback in for a million, let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, they bring a backup in and they gonna pay him $4 million. You're not gonna take that serious, man, I ain't going on no bench for no guy making 14. For 4 million, you bring a guy in making 14, 14. Now, you know they serious.

[Chad]

14 ain't sitting on a bench, I can tell you that. 14 is not sitting on bench. They talk about quarterback controversy, they talk about quarterback battle. There is no quarterback battle. If the quarterback coming from another team makes that kind of money on a.

[Ocho]

One year deal, he probably making more than Anthony Richardson this year. What's Anthony Richardson base salary this year?

[Chad]

He's only in his third year, Uncle. It's not that much.

[Ocho]

Yeah, because he got a. His contract is fully guaranteed, but he got probably the most of his money in the signing bonus, so he probably got $25 million in the signing bonus, Ocho. So Anthony Richards would probably make it what, $8 million this year, right? 4 million. He making 3.8. So one guy making 3.8 million, the other guy making 14 million. Do you think they gonna put the guy that's making 14 million on the bench?

[Chad]

No, you know what? You know what I don't like though?

[Ocho]

Hold on. Is his money guaranteed? Did they guarantee his money? No, Jones, yo, you know Dante Richardson got 34 million guaranteed here. His money guaranteed, he gonna get. He got 22 million assigned, so he gonna get that final 12.

[Chad]

You know what? I'm mad because that's Anthony. Anthony Richardson is supposed to be like, josh, let me Let me, let me, let me get this out.

[Ocho]

Go ahead.

[Chad]

Anthony Richard is supposed to be like Josh Allen. Anthony Richardson is supposed to be like our new version of Cam Newton.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Chad]

Like, that's the kind of potential and like, I don't know at what point what went wrong or what's happened. If he's not focused, if he's not locked in after this year, after this year, Anthony Richardson is supposed to be going to the table for one of those 250, $300 million deals.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Chad]

That is what I saw in him coming out of Florida. Based on the eye test and what I'm looking at, all the intangibles, does everything right except on the field.

[Ocho]

I was shocked. I was shocked that he moved up the draft boards. I like, but see. Oo. Go back and watch the tape, right? You see, you see what happened now? You see how some people watch tape, right? And then somebody go by the combine. If you look at his. If you didn't know anything about him and all you did was watch the combine. You understand? Now go back and watch this tape at Florida.

[Chad]

Hey. Well, yeah, you did tell me that. You didn't tell me that.

[Ocho]

Go back, go back. Go back and watch his tape.

[Chad]

You didn't tell me that. But it was measurable.

[Ocho]

Was so hard to pass up, though. Ocho 6, 4, 2, 45, running 4, 4 can throw the ball 80 yards, which is what.

[Chad]

Which is what I said with the measurable, you take the measurables, right? The reason that they went up to go grab in the draft and if the measurables put up with the play on the field after this year three season, they coming to see you. You finna tear the house down.

[Ocho]

I agree.

[Chad]

You're gonna tear the house down.

[Ocho]

I agree.

[Chad]

That's how. That's how I'm visualizing it. And I can't. But I can't believe I don't know at what point. And if. If you don't get it here, if you get beat out by brother Daniel Jones.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad]

Then a day, a day like that, like in what I'm visualizing if I was Anthony Richardson. It's not happening. It's not happening.

[Ocho]

Yeah. They would never. They're not bringing Daniel Jones in because I'm gonna do. You do everything. You do what you're supposed to do. You. You're not the. You're not the last in. In the first out. So that's it. That's it. That's in a bad message there, Ocho.

[Chad]

Yeah. I don't know, man. You think maybe his focus is somewhere else and not just don't start me.

[Ocho]

Like I don't know enough about it. I don't know enough about him.

[Chad]

I like Young Bull, man. I like Young Bull. I hope things work out for him over there, man.

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