BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 2 Part 2: Bears are LEGIT?!+ Tyrone Tracy Jr. Joins the show

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Club Shay Shay: "BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 2 Part 2: Bears are LEGIT?!+ Tyrone Tracy Jr. Joins the Show"

Date: August 20, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe (Joe), with Ocho and Tyrone Tracy Jr.
Podcast: Club Shay Shay – iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media

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Episode Overview

This episode takes a deep dive into NFL Preseason Week 2, focusing on standout team performances, rookie quarterback debuts, dark horse teams for the 2025 season, and a candid player interview with New York Giants running back Tyrone Tracy Jr. The hosts analyze preseason standout moments, discuss team trajectories, and exchange entertaining stories and predictions while keeping the energy lively and engaging.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Cam Ward and the Atlanta Falcons Quarterback Situation

[02:38 - 05:55]

• The hosts discuss Cam Ward’s preseason performance (2 of 7 for 42 yards), emphasizing that stats don't always tell the full story.
  • Ocho: “There was a drop—Van Jefferson on that over route that he should have had. That was a beautiful throw.” [02:55]
  • Joe: “That’s a catchable ball for a professional receiver… As a professional, a guy that’s getting paid to catch the football, those are the type of… that’s what you paid for.” [03:11 & 04:30]
• Positives noted: poise, patience, decision-making.
• Emphasis on the difference between preseason and regular season intensity:
  • Ocho: “When you get hit upside the head a few times… Will they still have that same poise under pressure?” [04:03]
  • Joe: “You can play fast but not in a hurry. The game has to slow down for you, not speed you up.” [04:30]
• The balance of getting reps in preseason vs. protecting top players.

2. Importance of Preseason Reps

[05:56 - 10:52]

• Debate about whether top players should play in the preseason.
  • Ocho: “I’m playing in the preseason. I don’t care… I need these reps. I need to get acclimated to game speed.” [06:04]
  • Joe: “You can’t substitute that, bro. You can’t substitute them game reps, man.” [10:25]
• Brief stories of their own careers getting game-ready via preseason.

3. Chicago Bears’ Emergence & Caleb Williams’ Impact

[15:22 - 18:40]

• Bears dominated the Bills 38–0; discussion centered on new hope with rookie QB Caleb Williams and OC Ben Johnson.
  • Joe: “Williams led on a seven-play, 92-yard drive. Williams completed five of six, 97 yards, 36 of those yards came on a touchdown pass to Zacchaeus.” [15:22]
  • Ocho: “That goddamn Luther Burden… I’ve been watching the past two weeks… you look good boy.” [16:04]
• The offense’s new versatility and potential after being last in offense last season.
  • Joe: “The offensive line is much improved—the Bears look good... I'm a little over the speed limit. I'm liking what I'm seeing.” [18:18]
• Ocho’s “dark horse” playoff picks: Bears & Panthers.
  • Ocho: “The two teams… that I think are the dark horses… Chicago Bears and the Carolina Panthers.” [18:40]

4. NFC and Division Rivalries

[21:15 - 27:56]

• Bears’ offense last year vs. today.
  • Joe: “Chicago scored zero touchdowns on their opening possessions last year. In 17 games, zero touchdowns.” [21:15]
• The difficulty of the Bears' division: Packers, Lions, Vikings.
• Discussion on Detroit Lions post-Ben Johnson, and the importance of not just “players” but scheme and coaching when considering team performance.
  • Joe: “If it was that easy… why wasn’t Chicago better than what they were if all it was was about players?” [24:05]
• Eagles as a cautionary tale after losing their coordinators:
  • Joe: “What happened to the Eagles when they lost both of their coordinators after going to the Super Bowl?” [25:01]

5. 49ers, Niners, and NFC Power Rankings

[28:16 - 29:57]

• 49ers’ prospects, roster attrition, and Robert Saleh’s return.
• Notable injuries, contract situations (e.g., Jauan Jennings, Cam Heyward).

6. Bengals, Commanders Game and RB Competition

[31:00 - 34:52]

• The Bengals' defense struggles.
  • Joe: “Y’all defense still some trash.” [31:03]
  • Ocho: “Let’s be optimistic… We look bad, but we look better from that point on.” [31:05]
• Commanders’ young RBs showing out and Brian Robinson Jr. on the trade block.

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Featured Interview: Tyrone Tracy Jr. (New York Giants RB)

[39:43 - 63:52]

Introduction and Vibe at Giants Camp

• TTJ shares his positive outlook, noting energy is high and they're taking care of player recovery.
  • TTJ: “They’ve been taking care of us, to be honest… The vibes in the locker room is high.” [40:14]

Personal Goals for 2025

• TTJ: “I want, you know, 1500 yards. I want 10 tuds… I want to be one of the running backs that people talk about.” [41:04]
• He stresses the importance of speaking goals into existence: “The power of life and death live within the tongue.” [41:04]

Practice Fights and Joint Practices

• Breaks down a training camp scuffle with Jets’ Will McDonald; confirms the physicality and competitive spirit, but dismisses anything truly “popping off.” [42:15]
• Details about rules in joint practices and maintaining boundaries.

Quarterback Talk: Jackson Dart’s Growth

• TTJ: “He has the potential to be a really good quarterback… he’s dialed in now, you can see some of that college Jackson Dart come out of him.” [45:41]

Locker Room Stories: Jameis Winston vs. Russell Wilson

• TTJ: “He does crazy stuff every day… Jameis is more like goofy, he is business, but also understands you have to have fun while doing it.” [47:46, 49:10]
• Ocho draws the “Fresh Prince vs. Carlton” analogy: “I see Russell Wilson as Carlton... I see Jameis Winston as Will Smith.” [49:39]

Giants’ Red Zone Woes

• The Giants’ endzone struggles are highlighted.
  • Joe: “You guys finished dead last in red zone touchdown percentage.” [51:04]
• TTJ: “When we get down there, we gotta score. Three points is not enough.” [51:32]
• The importance of playmakers and versatility out of the backfield.

TTJ’s Versatility: WR-to-RB

• Details on switching from wide receiver in college to running back, and how it benefits his all-around game.
  • Ocho: “That makes you a three-down back… that adds value… and another dynamic to your game that they can’t take away from you? It also adds dollars.” [56:06]

All-Time Running Back Lists

• TTJ’s personal Top 5 RBs: Herschel Walker, Emmitt Smith, LaDainian Tomlinson, Otis Anderson, Marshawn Lynch, Bo Jackson. [57:10–58:54]
• Ocho’s picks for “smoothest” running styles: Eric Dickerson, Arian Foster, Priest Holmes, Ahman Green. [60:11]

Expectations for 2025

• TTJ reiterates his goals and discusses how being in New York will help his Pro Bowl campaign.
  • Ocho: “The product sells itself based on where you’re playing.” [61:58]

Social Media Plugs & Madden Ratings

• TTJ shares his handles.
• Debate over his Madden rating; Ocho offers help if it needs boosting. [63:10]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ocho on Excitement for the Bears:
  “Maybe I’m going out on a limb… the Chicago Bears and the Carolina Panthers—those are the dark horses to surprise everybody.” [18:40]

• TTJ on Manifesting Success:
  “You got to continue to speak life into my situation for each and every person I’m around.” [41:04]

• On Jameis Winston’s Locker Room Vibe:
  Tyrone Tracy Jr.: “He is literally one of one. Like, he’s a great, great person. He’s a very down to earth guy… does something crazy every day.” [47:37]

• Ocho’s Comparison:
  “It’s like watching Fresh Prince and watching Will Smith and watching Carlton… Russell Wilson as Carlton… Jameis Winston as Will Smith.” [49:39]

• TTJ on Value of Versatility:
  “Now that you just said that, boy, you just woke me up a little bit. That makes you a three-down back and that adds value.” [56:06]

• Ocho on the Importance of Team Success in NY:
  "You’re playing in the biggest market in the world… and when you win in that market… when you lose, everything is magnified.” [53:43]

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Important Timestamps

• Cam Ward discussion: [02:38 – 05:55]
• Preseason reps debate: [05:56 – 10:52]
• Bears offense / Caleb Williams breakout: [15:22 – 18:40]
• NFC division, Detroit, Eagles coaching debate: [21:15 – 27:56]
• 49ers roster & prospects: [28:16 – 29:57]
• Bengals-Commanders game: [31:00 – 34:52]
• Tyrone Tracy Jr. interview: [39:43 – 63:52]
• Jameis Winston / Russ Wilson locker room: [47:19 – 50:59]
• TTJ’s top running backs: [57:01 – 59:12]
• Ocho's 'smoothest runners': [60:11 – 60:58]

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Tone and Style

The episode is lively, candid, and features plenty of friendly banter, analogies, and first-hand anecdotes. The hosts maintain their signature conversational style, balancing in-depth analysis with humor and relatable references, making it engaging for football enthusiasts and casual listeners alike.

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This summary covers all key talking points, standout moments, and provides context for anyone who missed the episode.

Transcript

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[Joe]

The Falcons 23:20 Cam Ward finishes 2 of 7 for 42 yards. Should have had one more completion should have been 3 of 7 at the bare minimum.

[Ocho]

Ocho and Van Devinson.

[Joe]

But what, what did. What from what you saw, what did you like about what you saw from Cam Ward?

[Ocho]

I mean, listen, a continuation of what he did the first preseason of the game. Obviously it was only two for seven, but there was a drop Van Jefferson on that over route that he should have had. That was a beautiful throw. I seen a lot of people in the comments when I mentioned the throw being that it was overthrown, I'm like, what are you talking about?

[Joe]

That's a catchable ball for a professional receiver.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that's a very catchable ball. And it was a dime outside of that. A few drops. He had a few drops. Other than that, it was good. It was good. People will look at the stat line and say it didn't look the same as opposed to how he did in the first game, but still he was the same calm poise and control of everything and he made good decisions with the ball.

[Joe]

I agree with you. Oo. My thing when I'm watching is his poise and patience in the pocket, him not getting rattled and he making the right reads on Ocho. That's. I think that's the biggest key. You know, I sit back and watch these young guys come into this league, this grown man league, just to see how they adapt and how they are in the pocket, whether it's, you know, Cam water should do. I. I enjoy watching those guys play, man, they look like. They look like they're in for a pretty good season.

[Ocho]

Yeah. But I will say too, Anga Joe, what we have to be cautious about is it is preseason. These defenses are very, very vanilla and the quarterbacks haven't got hit yet. I know that rookie. No, they look polished, you know, based on what we've seen so far. But when you get hit upside the head a few times, you get the jitters a little bit. Will they still be able to have that same calmness, that same relax, that same poise under pressure? When you've been hit or sacked a.

[Joe]

Couple of times, you can play fast but not in a hurry. I think the thing is, is that you have more time than you think. And a lot of times when rookies come in, they speed, they. They speed themselves up and it's normally their second year. Joe and Ocho, you heard people say this all the time. All of a sudden the game slowed down for me. Yeah. And that's what you want to have happen. You want the game to slow down. You don't want the Game to speed you up. You absolutely fast, but don't play in a hurry. I like Cam Ward's poor. I agree with you, Joe. I like his poise. I thought he was very deliberate. Yeah, he had some very unfortunate situation where the guy dropped the ball. A professional wide receiver got to make that catch. Now, if you're in high school, you don't make that catch. Okay, fine, bro. You a. But as a professional, a guy that's getting paid to the football. Yeah, those are the type of. That's what you paid for. Yeah, that's what you pay for. You. You pay, you know, to make the. To make the difficult ones. I mean, hey, you're gonna make the routine. You got to make enough of the routine ones. But every once in a while, you got to come down with a. You know, you gotta. You gotta help your quarterback out. He's not gonna always be able to hit you between the numbers. Right. And so now this is your opportunity to help him out. But I like what I saw from Cam Ward. I really did. Atlanta fell behind, but, you know, Austin Easton. Easton stick. He came in and threw the ball. Cause, you know, Phoenix Jr. Didn't play at all. That's the only thing to. Ocho. I was like, damn, they don't let these guys play at all.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah, Ocho, I couldn't even imagine. Could you imagine standing on the sideline the first, second preseason game, Ocho, and not even dressed out.

[Ocho]

Hey, Unk. You know how I am. You've heard enough stories about how I was. I'm practicing. I'm not. Excuse me. Not practicing. I'm playing in the preseason. I don't care. I. I do not care, Joe. I had. I had my coach every preseason game. I. I forced Coach Lewis to call timeouts in the preseason, Joe, Just to get me out the game, man, I need. I need these reps. I need to get acclimated to game speed. Game speed. I don't care. If you could practice 100 times, Joe, we could practice 100 times. It's different. And I wanted my body. I wanted my body to get accustomed to that as fast as possible before week one came along.

[Joe]

Go ahead, Joe. Go ahead. I think a lot of the guys, especially top guys, who don't really play a lot in the preseason because they take all the rips and snaps in practice, and they don't want to hold them into the game. We don't like. We. We normally. We normally break it down, Joe. We normally have 50 to 60 plays. Practices scripted. And of those 10 plays so we go. I don't know how y' all did, Ocho, but we did 10 plays. Yeah, the starters. The starters would probably take six to seven of those snaps. Now, maybe there's a maybe. Maybe a repeat. Something didn't go well. And Mike would say, okay, I want to see that again with the starters, but you're going to take at least seven of the starters. Going to take at least, at bare minimum, seven of those reps. And then the other three will get divided up and. Okay, fine, but so you're going to get the lion's share of the republic. The reason why it's different, Ocho, is because you gotta realize come game time, your pads are taped down now. They feel tighter. A lot of guys got all their pads in their pants. They're gonna feel tighter. So I needed to get accustomed to that. Cause in practice, ain't nobody taping no jerseys, right? No, we taping our jerseys down. I mean, come game time, we take them things tight. Yeah, tight, tight. Hey, look, go ahead. And y' all know, Y' all know the fans, they. They ready to see it. I wanted to see pennies get out there a little bit and spin it, you know, at least for a quarter. Uncle Ocho, but, you know, I know he got some high power weapons. He's talked a lot, you know, in this past week about how high power they are offensively and what he expects out of that Falcons core with that wide receiver core that he has. And I think a lot is going to determine on. On how quick he can pick up on things and how. How soon can he adapt to being, like, one of the top quarterbacks in this league. All I know is this. If I'm going big game hunting the first time I fire my weapon, ain't gonna wanna see that big game. I'm gonna get some shots off her. Yeah, yeah. I know y' all don't hunt, so excuse me, but I'm just trying to give you an analogy. You understand what I'm saying? If I'm going big game hunting the first time I fire that shot, it's not gonna see when I'm looking at something.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

I'm gonna make sure this thing is capable of firing. Right. In case you have to make some adjustments. Exactly, exactly. Maybe. Maybe my aim, maybe. Maybe there's some adjustments that I need to make. But I'm not going into the game without having seen these guys do something. And OTAs and minicamps and training camp and joint practices, all that's fine and good. That ain't the game. Even joint practices are different than the actual game. Your mindset is different than the actual game. Absolutely. And so that's. And like I said, I think my last year, Mike said, hey, you're not going, but I want you to come in, get some work. So I came in, got my 15, 21 tension. He says, hey, just warm up. Hey, get your good workout in and that's it for the evening. Because I want to take a look at these other guys and see what I got. I already know what I got with you. 84. Okay, cool. But oo, I had them play three games. Hell, I played the first game, the second game, the third game. So what the hell is he looking for in the fourth game that I haven't done in the first three that he need to see in game, in game four? So I get that. But these guys, Ocho, they start, they don't play game one, they don't play game two. I'm like. And some of them don't play at all. The preseason is a lot shorter nowadays, right? Yeah, it's only three games.

[Ocho]

It's only three games.

[Joe]

And even in the NBA, it's a lot shorter. We used to play at least 10 games. So I think it's a lot shorter, like five or six games now. Yeah. So. Yeah, man, these, these, these guys. Wait, man, that rhythm and time and. Ocho, you can't substitute that, bro. You can't substitute them game reps, man, you can't substitute that. You can go, you can go and practice and run as many drills as you want. It just don't. It don't add up.

[Ocho]

Nah, no, sir.

[Joe]

Yeah, but that's, that's, that's the difference now, Ocho, that's not what we have. Ocho, we might have been able to get a cup squeeze a couple more years. Ocho, I took some hits in preseason like this. Hey, I played 14 years. I played in the preseason every year at least three to four games. Yeah, by your bull jabbing, that's two seasons.

[Ocho]

Hey, I could have got 16.

[Joe]

No, I was good. I was, I was good. But I like what I saw with Cam Ward. I think he's going to be fine as long as they can protect him. I like the receivers, but they're gonna have, you know, sometimes you got to make tough catches for your quarterback. Sometimes you got to help him out. You ask, you ask the quarterback to help you out. Like I would always say, John, just. Just protect me. I'm gonna make an attempt even when I'm going over the middle, right? Give me an opportunity because I want to take the shot in my back, not in my face. Because if words come to worse, Ocho, I' ma jump like this here over the middle and yeah, shot in the back. Yeah, I ain't really trying to do this like this here.

[Ocho]

Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely.

[Joe]

So I'll take the shot in the back, Joe. I I ain't trying to get that face on. Kind of like what a you remember when Anquan Bolden got hit? Yeah. Remember that shot he took and he came back? You don't want that shot in the face. You want that shot in the back. So you always tell your quarterback to protect you. You can make a difference in someone's life, including your own with a job in home care. These jobs offer flexible schedules, health care, retirement options, and free training.

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[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Man, I know it's the preseason Ocho and I don't want to get to. I don't, I don't want, hey, I don't want to get too far in front of this, but the Bears look good, right?

[Ocho]

Why was I just getting ready to say that? I was getting ready to say the same thing. Listen, I know, I know what Caleb Williams could do. I've seen him at usc. I've seen flash of him last year without someone like Ben Johnson at helm, the to help him develop, without Ben Johnson's creativity from an offensive standpoint, understanding what he can do and help Caleb get to that next level at the quarterback position. I want to talk about that goddamn Luther Burden. That goddamn Luther Burden. Boy, look good, boy. That goddamn rookie at receiver, bro. Luther, I've never met you before, but you look good tonight. Obviously in the preseason, people say, oh, it's preseason. Don't get too high, don't get too low. Just. But you look good, boy. I've been watching, I've been watching the past two weeks, this week. I mean, it doesn't matter who's throwing the ball. I'm not sure why he's running with the twos and the threes.

[Joe]

What you mean so, so, so he's gonna play in front of Roma Dunes and, and, and, and D.J. moore?

[Ocho]

No, no, no, obviously, I mean three receivers, okay.

[Joe]

Zakias is in the slot.

[Ocho]

Ooh, that's. Hey, hey. They got some decisions to make over there offensively because he looked now maybe.

[Joe]

When they go five wide and you saw, they read a lot of tight ends, said they had Loveland, they had Col. Now he is a multiple set. He is a. He'll run a lot of different sets. He'll go too tight, he'll go three wise, he'll go five wide, he'll go, you know, empty, put his backs out. But this offense looked really, I thought, overall, I thought they played well. I thought the defense got after the, the Bills. I thought the offense moved the ball. Whether it was Williams, Bijet. I guess, I guess that's how you say his name. He came in with 13 to 22 for 196 and a touchdown. I thought Williams was unbelievable. The opening drive to go 92 yards on five or six passing, he had 107 yards. They had over 500 yards of offense. And like I said, I don't want to get too far in front of myself, but they look good, right?

[Ocho]

Right, right.

[Joe]

But they did look good, and they're going to be a lot better because they have a guy that has an offensive mind because you got a quarterback and you need somebody that's imaginative, that has an imagination to put him in position and say, a son, I want you to be you. I'm gonna put you in the best position possible. The offensive line is much improved. The offensive line is much improved.

[Ocho]

Very much.

[Joe]

The Bears look good like I and like Chad. Y' all, look, I know it's preseason, it's only the second game of preseason, and I really don't want to, like, get a speeding ticket, but let's just say I'm going Forward in the 35. I ain't going 55, 60, but I'm going. I'm, I'm, I'm a little over the speed limit. I, I, I, I'm liking what I'm seeing. Yeah.

[Ocho]

And I'm gonna say this again. I think I said it on either last night's show. Maybe I said it sometime last week. The same teams that are always in contention are going to be in contention this year. Chad, I'm going out on a limb. I'm going to say it before the season even gets here. The two teams that I think are the dark horses to Surprise everybody and make a run and having a playoff appearance. The Chicago Bears and the Carolina Panthers. I'm telling you, people might. People might. In the chat, you might laugh, but say, yeah, right, whatever. Whatever. I'm telling you, watch. And when it happens, don't. Don't call. Don't call me Ultradamus. I just know. I just. I just understand how things are going to play out. I'm excited. I'm excited for the football season, man. Like, you don't understand.

[Joe]

Yeah, it's right around the corner. It's right. It's right around the corner. We're what, September 4th?

[Ocho]

So, yeah, Thursday night, Dallas and. Dallas and the Eagles.

[Joe]

So we're about three weeks away. Well, we. Two weeks from. We're two weeks from Thursday, right? So two weeks from Thursday.

[Ocho]

Okay, that's not bad. What the hell we supposed to do in between that time?

[Joe]

We'll find something to talk about. We'll talk about. You scored zero points in the big three Celebrity. That's a whole. That's a whole show by itself.

[Ocho]

I mean, it is a whole show by itself. I gotta see if I score zero. And we lost. But the. The point of a team game is.

[Joe]

The first of all, you can't score zero.

[Ocho]

I mean, you. You can score whatever you want.

[Joe]

You had zero. You know, if you scored, that mean you put something on the board. I. I ain't scored no touchdowns.

[Ocho]

Not understanding.

[Joe]

I was.

[Ocho]

Listen, listen, there, There. There are other. So many other aspects to my game outside of just scoring because we already had two prolific scores on the court. So what did I do? My defensive presence.

[Joe]

Huh?

[Ocho]

Hey, I was. I was like this.

[Joe]

I'm about.

[Ocho]

They, they couldn't even. They couldn't even get by me. And then I had him messing up, turning the ball over. You should have saw me. Huh? You should have been.

[Joe]

Turn it over.

[Ocho]

He did.

[Joe]

He had 21 and 13.

[Ocho]

I mean, hold on, hold on. I made Gilly turn it over twice, turn the ball over twice. They're playing defense and they tried to pick, man. I squeezed right through the pick like Michael Jackson. Went right through the pick. Ah, no, no, no, no, sir. I got skinny real quick. I got skinny real quick.

[Joe]

No, you fought. You fought over the screen.

[Ocho]

No, I went, no, no, no, I ain't. I ain't.

[Joe]

I ain't even going through it.

[Ocho]

I wouldn't bowl. Yeah, I went right through it, but I got skinny. So we.

[Joe]

It didn't work.

[Ocho]

Yeah, listen, man, listen. So many other aspects of my game was on point. Why didn't Even need to be a score. That's how great I, that's how great I am.

[Joe]

I think, I, I, I, I think in watching the Bears, I think Eber Flutes and his system or whomever he had coaching Caleb Williams, this is the best, this is the best we've seen the, the Bears offense. Look, Chicago scored zero touchdowns on his opening possessions last year. So in 17 games they had zero touchdowns on opening possession. And like I said, I understand this is a preseason game. They had the most drives ending in punts. They were dead last in total offense. So I, look, you can't go nowhere, but whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Ocho]

The Bears were dead last in total offense last year.

[Joe]

Yes, 32.

[Ocho]

I, I like them to finish in the top 10. I like them, I like them to finish in the top 10 with all limb goddamn weapons.

[Joe]

They got some weapons. They had two, I mean 100. They had 43 carries. And the thing is that I like about him that he, he, he, he running and he'll throw it. They had 39 pass attempts. They had 43 rush attempts. First of all, that's a lot of, that's a lot of damn plays even for a preseason. Yeah, let's get that out of the way.

[Ocho]

But it's the Bill, it's the Bill's fault. It's the Bill's fault. Too many goddamn three and outs.

[Joe]

Trubisky, Mike White, Franco Jr looked good. He had a fumble. But he, he reminds you of his dad.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you got to have that thing high and tight. Especially when that trap, he didn't say.

[Joe]

You know, he didn't see him coming. He saw the guy from the side and that guy just pulled it out.

[Ocho]

But I, but little peanut punt.

[Joe]

And they are in a tough division. That is a very tough division that the Bears are in. You got Green Bay, you got Detroit, you got Minnesota. So you gotta get better. You don't have no choice.

[Ocho]

One thing you have to get better.

[Joe]

On is putting up, oh, you gotta score.

[Ocho]

Because every other, every other, every other team you just named, they putting up points. And I'm not talking about field goals.

[Joe]

Either, but it's gonna be interesting to see what Detroit is without Ben Johnson.

[Ocho]

Well, hey, wait a minute. You got to understand, even with, without Ben Johnson there, the same players are still. So I, I think even with the creativity, regardless, if the creativity isn't there, the plays of the call, they still have players that can go get it. Jameson Wilson. James. Jameson. Williams. Yeah, Williams. Oh, God, why I'm talking so fast? Slow down, Ojo. Slow down. JMO can go get it. Aman Rossi Brown can go get it. Jameer, you know, you know what you get from David Montgomery and Jameer Gibb? Because, I mean, I think regardless of who's calling the plays, the play calling job is that easy because of the elite talent at his disposal to be able to use.

[Joe]

Well, if, if it was that easy. So why wasn't Chicago any better than what they were if all it was was about players? Cause they got the same players.

[Ocho]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. There's no Aman Ross St. Brown.

[Joe]

But you said you. We said they look good. Did we not say the Bears look good? Now what play one player that we said look good that wasn't there last year. You told me. It's the players. It doesn't matter who the play caller is. So it shouldn't matter that Ibrah flu was there or whomever the play caller was.

[Ocho]

Oh, I'm, listen, I'm speaking specifically on personnel and skills.

[Joe]

Caleb Williams, was he not the quarterback?

[Ocho]

Let's, let's, please. No, no, you're not.

[Joe]

I'm understanding what you said. Well, I'm going back. I'll tell you what. How about this here.

[Ocho]

And who has the better players? And I mean no disrespect to what the Bears have. I'm just saying take the Bears aside.

[Joe]

We will deal with the Bears.

[Ocho]

It's levels, right?

[Joe]

I give you another example. What happened to the Eagles when they lost both of their coordinators after going to the Super Bowl? They had the same players. Jalen hurst was there. A.J. brown was there. Devonte Smith was there. What happened the next season? Did they look the same? It's not a trick question. Hold on.

[Ocho]

I know it's not a trick question, but I'm okay.

[Joe]

Go ahead.

[Ocho]

Trying to think. When they, when they went to the.

[Joe]

Super bowl, they lost. They lost both coordinators, the offensive coordinator and the defensive coordinators. The same players were there.

[Ocho]

Did they look, oh, wait, hey, is that, Is that the. Is that the year where the defense couldn't tackle the goddamn contact of the soul?

[Joe]

You said it didn't matter.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I think.

[Joe]

Why you gonna put me in there?

[Ocho]

Because the Eagles problem was their defense. They wouldn't tackle no guys.

[Joe]

What about the offense?

[Ocho]

And it, hey, today to that point, it looked like they was doing it on goddamn purpose.

[Joe]

What about the offense? How'd the offense look?

[Ocho]

It was all right. They was all right.

[Joe]

Jalen Hurts had more turnover in the first half of the season than he had the entire season the year before. But you say they look the same.

[Ocho]

Oh, no, but you can't. Wait, hold on. You can't. You can't blame the offensive wolves on the individual.

[Joe]

I'm asking, did their offense look the same as the offense that went to the Super Bowl? Did their defense look the same as the defense that led them to the Super Bowl? That's all I'm asking.

[Ocho]

No, but, but listen, I. Listen, I tell you what, I tell you what, I love the points you're trying to make, but I know the makeup of the Detroit Lions offense, that they're still going to look to par regardless of whether Ben Johnson is there or not. Because of what they.

[Joe]

What about defense? They lost AG2, though.

[Ocho]

Oh, that's nice. They still got Brian Branch. They still got Aiden Hutchinson.

[Joe]

He's back.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he back. It's one. They got one more dog over there.

[Joe]

Are you talking about Carrie Joseph?

[Ocho]

Yes, the safety, Kerry Joseph. Hell, he had what I think he.

[Joe]

Had eight or nine picks.

[Ocho]

Interceptions, Terry and Arnold.

[Joe]

He gotta do. He gotta. He gotta. He gotta keep his hands to himself.

[Ocho]

Why would I just get ready to say he just had just. Yeah, that's it. That's it. They're gonna be all right on both sides of the ball. I know one thing. They're gonna put some points up.

[Joe]

Yeah, it's always. Sometimes you have a. Like it takes you. It. Nor sometimes it takes a team a year to adjust.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Right.

[Joe]

Without cause. Ben has been there so long. I mean, he's been there what, what, four or five years? I mean, that's the only. That's the only person that Jerry Goff has had in his ear since he's been in Detroit AG. He's been to D.C. for what, three years there. So it's good.

[Ocho]

Very good.

[Joe]

They're an extremely talented ball club. They're one of. They're one of the. They're one of the favorites along with the Eagles. The Eagles, Detroit, the Packers, the Niners, you know, Tampa.

[Ocho]

Hey, hold on. I got a question. Huh? You just said the Niners. You think the Niners still gonna look the same?

[Joe]

No, they got Robert. They got Robert. They got Robert. Debo didn't give him anything last year. Ocho, he didn't give him anything last year. But here's the thing. They also get. Let's just say they get a healthy Christian McCaffrey back. Oh, now it's gonna be interesting to see how healthy Brandon Ayuk is and how soon because no, sometimes Ocho is the, The. It's the, it's the the following year, not the, not the season right after the surgery. It's the year after.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

So we'll see how soon. But you know, they, hey, they still got an outstanding offensive line. Big Trent, let's see how healthy he is. Can he get back to being Trent Williams? KD is still a top tight end in the league.

[Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

Now they did lose, lose some guys. Dre, Greenlaw, Ward, they lost some guys. Hanga, they, they've lost some guys on the defensive side, but Robert Salah is back. That defense wasn't the same without, without.

[Ocho]

Hey, did they ever fix receiver Juan Jennings?

[Joe]

I haven't heard anything about it. I haven't heard anything else about it.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he's, he's nice for the, for the work he put in and stepping up when Auk went down and when Debo was hurt and injured, he made good plays and, and made sure they didn't miss a beat offensively. I hope reward him before the season starts.

[Joe]

Yeah, it's kind of oo, kind of like the situation that Cam Hayward is in because remember they, they tore up Cam Hayward, gave him a two year deal and then you know, he played well and said, well I can't see myself playing on, on this number because, because other guys, he saw other defensive players get pay raises, get their money. Sometimes the worst thing you can do is base your worth on what somebody else got.

[Ocho]

Oh, that's a good, like that.

[Joe]

Oh, I, I don't know. They used to do it. I don't know if they still did it. When, when you was there, you remember they used to pass the thing around the sheet, around all the receivers. They had all the highest paid because you a receiver. So you saw what everybody else made. You like he making that plus you got all the guys on your own team, plus every receiver what they're making. Oh man. Man, that thing come out there. Hey, I get that thing. I be looking at some of my teammate like you make that and you giving us that.

[Ocho]

How about, how about, how about them boys tonight?

[Joe]

Boy, y' all defense steals from trash.

[Ocho]

Wait a minute, wait a minute now let's not do that. Let's not do that. Now. We look very bad. On the first two drives that the.

[Joe]

Commanders had the ball, they took their starters out.

[Ocho]

But we look better, we look better from that point on. Let's be optimistic, let's be optimistic about the situation.

[Joe]

Did you see how, did you see how they ran down the field on y'? All? Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

I can tell you who blew the assignment. I can tell you who blew the assignment?

[Joe]

Who blew the side?

[Ocho]

Like the Mike, the mic backer over the top. He's scraping underneath you, knowing you can't get there underneath and all that.

[Joe]

He tried to shoot the gab. He tried to pull a Ray Lewis on him.

[Ocho]

What are we doing? What are we doing? And they did it twice, did it twice. And the guy bounced right outside and he gone.

[Joe]

We had a conversation last night. I said, ocho, I want to see their backs. And it'll give us a better understanding why Brian Robinson Jr. Is on the trade block. Well, we see why he's on the trade block. We saw those two bags from Washington. Now. Now it makes sense. I don't know how much you could speak for yourself, but it makes a lot of. A ton of sense to me.

[Ocho]

It. It. It does make sense. But obviously, Brian Robinson, we've seen what he can do. And I just saw some reports, obviously doing my little homework, talking about he runs a little bit timid, not hitting the hole, and just. Just stuff like that. I'm not sure if. If the injury history is probably a cause of that, but obviously they like the young Bulls, especially Bill. He doesn't want to be called Jacob. His name is Bill. Bill. Yeah.

[Joe]

Rodriguez.

[Ocho]

No, no, the other one.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

The other one.

[Joe]

Oh, oh, Koski. Because what's his full name? The one that Jay. That Jane Daniels got the ball back for.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. He said he want to be called Bill. I'm gonna call him Bill.

[Joe]

Okay. Yeah. I mean, 30 rush attempts, Ocho, for 185 yards and two touchdowns. I mean, you look at it, the two top guys, 17 rushes between the two of them for 108 yards. And y' all got. Look, Lovu. Everybody in the stadium, everybody at home knew the Bengals were not going to snap that ball at the 38 yard line on 4th and 3. Except you.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And you jumped offside. Everybody, nobody, when they start doing all that motion, when they bring the guy outside, they bring him to the backfield, then they spin him out there. They're not running no play, bro. They trying to get you to jump off sides. And you did it. Yeah, I get Ocho, we get New England, the Eagles last year, remember, on the goal line, and he jumped offsides like five times. Four or five times in a row.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

And.

[Joe]

And the officials say that, you know, if you keep doing this, we're just going to award them to score. I get, okay, fine, they gonna scoot a tush push. They're gonna score anyway. But in a situation like this, These kind of plays will get you beat. Yeah. Guess what. Guess what happened, Ocho. Didn't they go right down the field and score a touchdown?

[Ocho]

Yes, we did. Yes, we did. I want to talk about how good our offense look. Except that second series. The second. That second series with Joe Burrow in the. In the.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

In.

[Ocho]

In the number twos.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why he did that. Joe know better.

[Ocho]

He pulled back all the running and scrambling that like.

[Joe]

Yeah, throw that thing away, Joe, because you don't want to take any unnecessary hit punishment. Yeah. Then he got bailed out again because O. Brown got beat and why just happened to Horse call him? They're gonna have to do a better job of protecting Joe. But, Ocho, your offense has to look good because that's where all your money is. So wherever your money is, that's the side of. That's the side of the football you really gonna have to win on. Yeah, Most definitely.

[Ocho]

Most definitely.

[Joe]

The Broncos, when we play in the 90s. TD, myself, John Zim, Rod.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So that's where the money was. So that's where we had to be. That's what we. That's where we had to be.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So. Yeah, I thought your offense, you know, Joe was. I mean, Joe was what, 9 of 14, 62 yards. Jake Browning came in, but Jake Browning, you know, he plays well when. When asked and given the opportunity. Ocho. He plays well. 16, 25, 159, two touchdowns. Desmond Riddle came in there through one pass. He wanted one for seven yards, but. And they were going down the field again, and then Josh Johnson threw a horrible interception.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh.

[Ocho]

Oh, Josh, boy. That's my dog there, man. Good to see. Good to see Josh still out there, man, working and working and working.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I mean, hey, he. He don't collect. He collect his own jerseys, and he ain't got no other player. He ain't got no other player. Jersey. You know, you trade jerseys. Hey, I just collect my own. He got my 14.

[Ocho]

I think he's. He's been on 16 of the 32 teams. 16 to the 32.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

I like it. So, hey, so if he ever want to coach, he knows somebody. Somebody somewhere.

[Ocho]

Hey, absolutely. Absolutely. And listen, when you. When you play, when you play that long at that position, they will definitely give you a job.

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[Joe]

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[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

What's happening? What's good, man?

[Joe]

How you doing, man? I'm doing great, man. How are you?

[Ocho]

I'm gonna call you tt. I'm gonna call you TT Because I feel like that's what they call you.

[Joe]

You want to be called tt tt.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Trace, you know, ttj. You know, man, don't call me Tracy. Don't call me Tracy.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

I wouldn't do that.

[Ocho]

So. So I have a question. I. First off, my first question is how is training camp going so far? How your legs holding up? And have you hit that ball yet? Have you hit that training camp wall yet?

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yeah, I mean, a lot today. They've been taking care of us, to be honest. Like, he been. He's been doing a good job making sure that, like, you know, we putting in work, but then also, like, you know, giving us a bone, you know, here and there, making sure, you know, you know, off days, we taking care of, you know, the recovery aspect of everything. But I'm good, you know, camping good. Everything been good. The. The vibes in the locker room is high. You got new faces in the locker room, so everything been smooth.

[Ocho]

Yeah. So, hey, hold on, hold on. Hey, I'm feeling good tonight, but I'm gonna talk. But listen, I got. I got one more question. Your rookie season. Yeah, season. Five touchdown, 900, some yards on whatever, however many carries it was. I know you set goals for yourself. You have goals, but obviously, as players going into a season, you have personal goals as well. What will your goals be if it's okay with you sharing it with us tonight? Yeah. Your personal goals for the season.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yeah, I mean, to be honest with you. So my. My personal goals is, first and foremost, you got to win. Because I feel like if you don't win, nothing else matters, so. But obviously, I want to do way better than I did last year. Last year was really just, you know, Obviously, my first year in the league, welcome to the league, all that stuff. But now I feel more confident. I feel like, you know, I got the. The energy behind me, but I also got, you know, the trust behind me as well from the coaching staff and my teammates to go out there and play well. I want, you know, 1500 yards. I want 10 tuds, and, like, I want. I want to be, you know, one of the running backs that people talk about, like. And this is stuff I pray for, you know what I'm saying? I feel like for me to say it in front of you guys, but also, like, you know, say it to myself each and every day, you know, that's something that you need to say. You know, the. The power of life and death live within the tongue. So I got to continue to speak life into my situation for each and every person I'm around, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, that's. That's how. That's how I'm. That's how I'm moving right now, like that.

[Joe]

Speaking into existence. We were. Ocho and I were just talking about practice fights when you have, you know, scrimmages. Joint. Joint practice. Scrimmages.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, there was a little scuffle yesterday. What? What, What? What popped off with you and Will McDonald.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

They never really pop off, man.

[Ocho]

Y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Y' all been there. Y' all been there.

[Ocho]

Yeah. How?

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Can't get. You know, it's high competition. You know, it's the best against the best. You know what I'm saying? I had a good little run. He was just finishing the play, and my office in line didn't like that.

[Joe]

Right.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

You know what I'm saying? So that's really what happened. You know, he threw me to the ground. My office in line didn't like, they had my back. Yeah, it really wasn't. It wasn't nothing crazy, man. You know, we seen worse. You know, y' all probably seen worse, too.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, let me ask you this.

[Ocho]

Oh, go ahead.

[Joe]

Go ahead, Brian Blake, because Ocho and I was just talking. Okay? We. When you have a joint practice, okay, coaches go overlook. Nine on seven is going to be solid.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Thud.

[Joe]

We're not taking anybody to the ground, but they're going to be some thud and going on. Okay, in seven and team. They're not going to take it to the ground, but it's going to be some collisions, so just expect it. So you go in with a mindset. Okay? This is what it's going to be. X, Y, and Z. I'm good with it. I'm prepared. It's when you do something extra is what. Because your coach had a conversation with our coach, and this is what they agreed to. Now, when you step outside of that scope, I got to check you.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Oh, yeah. That's exactly what happened, to be honest with you, dude. Yeah. They told me, like, coach Dave came to me personally. He was like, yo, like, we know it's tag off, but just be prepared in between the tackle box.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

To hit you. So I'm like, okay, okay, cool. Like, you know, I'm cool with that. Like, in between, talk about, you know, that's 10 yards. You know what I'm saying? They gonna hit you. Okay, cool. But this happened. You know, I'm about to go score. You know, we 15 yards down the line of scrimmage like we running. So that's really why, you know, the scuffling started just. Cause like, that. That wasn't the rules. The rules is in between the line of scrimmage, boom. You get 15 yards, you can hit. But other than that, like, you know, let me finish my run, because I'm just trying to do my job. You know what I'm saying? Finish off a run. But, you know, like I said, man, we just. People have my back, and they didn't like that. That's all.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that's dope. Hey, Jackson. Jackson dark.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Oh, yeah. I knew you was going there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was gonna go there, but I knew one of y' all was gonna go there.

[Ocho]

Listen, listen, I'm. I'm asking. My question is. Is Malik neighbors having a very, very, very, very good year last year? And I knew him and Malik neighbors had the talent to be in the top five. Conversation. We talk about receivers. No. In NFL.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

How is Jackson dart looking so far as far as being able to understand the offense, being com in command of the offense and understanding, like, this is a chance that I can be the future for the next decade for this team. Yeah. Did you.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Did you watch that last game?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

As a matter of fact, there were three quarterbacks that looked really good because we didn't know what we were going to get from Jackson Dart was one of them. The other George Sanders, and there was one. One more camp James play.

[Joe]

All four of them played. Russell started it. He kicked it off to James, then dart, and then the other guy finished it up.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but the small sai we f we saw from Jackson dart, it looked good. He looked very calm.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

He looked Very good, very calm.

[Ocho]

Most of the time. Most of the time. Rookie quarterbacks, when that pressure, those lights are on, they get happy feet. They rattled. You know, their technique is like, they just, they. They rush the ball. But he looked really good.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Nah, he did. I mean, to be honest with you, it ain't really nothing crazy, you know, he did out there. He did that stuff every day in practice, to be honest with you. Like, that's, that's just how all the, the good players that you're around, the great players you're around, they all do that stuff every single day. So it's not like a surprise when they do it on Sundays or Saturdays or whatever. So, like, yeah, I mean, I feel like he's going. He has the potential to be a really good quarterback.

[Ocho]

Right, Right.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

That he's taking everything to his. His, his game to another level, to be honest. When he first got there, obviously it's a lot of information going in. But now, like, you can see that he's. He settled down like. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. He dialed in. Now, like, you can see some of that college Jackson dark come out of him because of how calm and relaxed he is in the game. And like, he's just out there hooping now. He ain't. He ain't thinking. He's just out there playing.

[Ocho]

That's the funny thing. When you get to a point, regardless of what position you play, Receiver, running back, especially the quarterback position, because you have so much on your plate and at the table, coming to the line of scrimmage. But when you know everything and what everybody's doing around you and you're comfortable and you add comfortability with confidence. Yeah, it's a done deal. The game starts to slow down to you, and when the game starts to slow down to you, you start to look like some of the better quarterbacks in the NFL that do it consistently, which is key, week to week. I got one more question before you go.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

I'm feeling good, man. I got questions for y' all too.

[Ocho]

Please tell me, what is it like to be around Jameis crazy ass Winston in the locker room? I just need one good James Winston story, please. Hey, he's funny, man.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Have y' all been around him?

[Ocho]

Yeah, for short spurts it in New Orleans, you know, but I would. But every day. No, that. That would be a joy.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

I ain't gonna lie. Like what y' all see online and on Instagram and all these clips y' all see, right?

[Joe]

Really?

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Like that. Like, I promise you, I promise you. Like, I have a Million stories. Like, I've only known a man for about five months now.

[Ocho]

Right, Right.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

He does crazy stuff every day. Like, every day, like he does something crazy. Like, I'm. I'll tell you this one story. We had a UFC fighter come to our practice and she gave him some gloves, right. Signed him and everything. Jameis comes in a locker room and starts like doing UFC like, kicks and fights with the gloves on. Like, he's really trying to fight people in the locker room. Like, yeah, well, showing us how his kicks and everything. Like, yeah, I promise you. Like, he is. Like, I thought I was an outgoing person until I met him. Like, he's like literally one of one. Like, he's a great, great person. He, like, he's a very down to earth guy.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Cool as hell.

[Joe]

That's dope. Yeah. That's kind of where I was going because I wanted to know the difference between the, the personality between Russ and. And. Because if you look at them, the personalities are very, very different. But they're both very religious men, seem to be very. Approach their business, go about the work, the task at hand and get the job done. What would you say was. It would be the biggest differences between Russia personality and Jameis's personality?

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

That's a good question. I would probably say Jamis goes about his business more fluid. I guess you can say Russ is more like, not really strict, but he just has a certain way of doing things.

[Joe]

Right.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Jamis is more like goofy like he is business, but like, he also understands that, like, you know, you have to.

[Joe]

Have fun while doing it.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

You have to have fun while doing it. You know what I'm saying? Don't get me wrong, Russ has fun, but like, Russ is like on a certain path. Like he, he does stuff a certain way and like, I don't know how to explain. He's like, he's not strict. He's not strict, but he expects things to look a certain way.

[Joe]

Very disciplined.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Structured. Yes.

[Ocho]

The funny thing about it, if I was, if I was to give an analogy in, in comparison to. To the two, it's like watching Fresh Prince and watching Will Smith and watching Carlton.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that. That's. I. I see Russell Wilson as Carlton in a sense, very serious, very business oriented. You know, he can have fun when necessary. And I see James Winston's as Will Smith in the character comparison to the two.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yeah. Don't get me wrong, they both are cool, like, regardless of the situation. But like I said, James is more goofy. Like, he's there to, like, he's always going to make you laugh, make you feel good. Like, even when things are, like, very tense, he cracks a joke. So, like, you feel good. Yeah, he breaks the ice. So, like, no one, you know, feels like, you know, the coach is getting after you or whatever. Like, he makes sure that, like, you understand that, like, at the end of the day, coaches are going to get after you, but you got to move on. Like, the next play is coming up, so you continue to move on. And Russ is the same way. Like, Russ is very. Like I said, he's strict, but he has a. A certain way of doing things. Very disciplined. Like, first one in, last one out. Like, every single day, he has his routine of what he does, and that's just who Russ is. And if you've been around him, he handles himself, like, professional, like, every single day. So, yeah, they're both very good leaders, like you said.

[Joe]

Very.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Both very religious men. Like, I. I really can't say enough good things about each of them.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that's dope.

[Joe]

You guys finished dead last in red zone. Touchdown percentage. You scored the second fewest points in the red zone.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

That little harsh. I mean, dang. Yeah, you guys finished last in red zone.

[Joe]

Well, y'. All. Y' all finished second worst in point score, so that, I mean, you. You went dead last. The other one, you know, making sure. But. Okay, when you come back on next year, what are you gonna do different to make sure you're not in the same spot again?

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Man, to be honest with you, when we get down there, we gotta score. Three points is not enough.

[Joe]

And field goals get your beat.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

In this league, three points ain't enough. We gotta score tugs. And I think that really starts with the O line, obviously protecting the quarterback. Quarterback, you gotta do your job, make better decisions. Get the ball to your playmakers, running back receivers, tight ends, get ball. Get them the ball. Like, I think that's the easiest thing in the game. Get the ball to your playmaker, Let them go to work. And when your playmakers go to work, it makes the whole game easy.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Where you come in at? I hear you mention tt run the ball.

[Ocho]

Oh, you want to run?

[Joe]

Okay, we're gonna run the ball. Okay, we're gonna run. We turn around and hand it to you.

[Ocho]

You got to put yourself in that description as a playmaker, because you know what? You could be? Hell, you could be the goddamn security blanket. You could be. You want to be one of the better running backs in the league, right? So you want to know when they game plan and they Come into a game, well, God damn, we got to worry about two people. We got to worry about Malik, neighbors, or we got to worry about tt you coming defenses, you in the backfield, first or second down, all right, we gotta drop the safety down in the goddamn box.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

They can't do that, though. They. They drop the tape down, we're gonna throw it over top.

[Joe]

Boom.

[Ocho]

Boom. So if Malik going off, boom. Now we got. Now we got to go too high. It's time to work now.

[Joe]

You got to run them out of that too high.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Exactly. But that's what I'm saying, like, when you go either about your playmakers, it makes a lot of things easy, especially for offensive coordinator. If you got a lot of good dudes in your locker room that. And they all want to win, obviously you got your personal stuff that you want to do, but, like, if you all just want to win, like, it makes a lot of stuff easy, like, because it's. It's easier when you're winning. When you're losing, it's hard, man. Like, last year. It really was. It was hard last year just because, like, obviously you losing, and we trying to figure out why we're losing, and then, you know, you got a whole bunch of stuff going on, so it was hard, but it's way easier when you. When you win it. It's fun. It's fun to be around people, fun to be around coaches, fun to be in the locker room. Everything so fun to be out and.

[Joe]

About in the city.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Being able to show you especially listen, you're playing. You're playing in the biggest market. You plan the biggest market in the world, and when you win it in that market, oh, the newspapers are a joy to watch. The headlines are a joy to read. When you lose, everything is magnified. You don't want to show your face. You don't want to deal with the fans. Yeah. Especially in a market of that magnitude. So, man, I'm. Listen, I'm. I'm hoping. I'm hoping y' all do very, very well. Hey, the division you guys are in, it ain't no slap.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Oh, yeah, No, I ain't no slap. We ain't no slap either, though. We ain't no slap.

[Joe]

That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm looking for right now.

[Ocho]

Okay. Okay.

[Joe]

Hey, kt, have you always. Have you always been a running back? Did you play any other position?

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yeah, I was gonna say that earlier. Yeah, I was a receiver. Too. My whole career, my whole college career.

[Joe]

Really?

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yeah. Yeah. I turned switched positions my last year because of Coach C. He's a. He's at the running back coach at Purdue.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yeah. He came in from Miami, Ohio. He looked at me and he was like, yeah, you're gonna be a running back. And I know. I've known Coach C for, like, my entire life. Like, I know him since I was like, 15 years old, but I wanted to be a receiver. I was watching you, Ocho, you know what I'm saying? Watching Yofin. I was watching Tavon Austin. Like, I was watching all these cats, you know, go crazy, you know, with the. I was about what, five. I was about five, 10, 1 80, you know, I was a slot receiver. And then once I got to college, I gained some weight. Got to about £200, right? And they was like, yeah, you gonna be a running back?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

So everything, if you look at. Hold on, let me say this real quick. Real quick. If you look at everything, like, from all my. My stat line, from my measurements, you know what I'm saying? Like, I was an average. I was an average receiver. But then, like, you switch it to running back, you know, now I'm running, you know, 4, 4, 7. That's. That's a fast running back. I got good hands. I can run good routes because I was a receiver. So, like, you get everything that, you know, you compare to the league today. Now, that's. That's God. God really made all that happen. Like, I went through all that. That struggle and that frustration, irritation, and then next thing you know, like, all the blessings came out, you know, in 2025. It was. It was. It's crazy.

[Ocho]

Well, listen, now that you just said that, boy, you just. You just woke me up a little bit. And I want you to understand the importance of not only playing receiver, one point, but now playing running back. You understand that's two things you can do very well because now you don't got to come out on third down. Yeah, you don't have to come out on third down. So that puts you in the same category. You can get to this in year two and continue to improve on it. But Christian McCaffrey, great running back. What else can you do? Out the backfield. Catch. Catch. Ladanian Tomlinson out the backfield and catch. No. So that. That makes you a three down, back. And that adds value. You know what happens when you add value and another dynamic to your game that they can't take away from you? It also adds dollars.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Okay. Okay. Stay with me now, the more you can do.

[Joe]

Well, since you. Since you. You're a running back aficionado now, give me your top five running backs of all time.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Oh, of all time.

[Joe]

All time.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Of all time.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Herschel Walker.

[Joe]

What you know about Big dog?

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Come on, now. I actually watch this film. I ain't gonna lie. I actually watch this film.

[Joe]

He was held in college, man.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with. Man, I ain't gonna lie. There's some real.

[Joe]

There's some dogs.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yeah, there's some dogs. We talk about running backs. Emmett Smith. Gotta put him in there. Is this, like. Is this, like, rankings or. He's just, like.

[Joe]

Just your top five. This is your ranking.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah. It's your preference.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

LTD Thompson. Yeah, I love. I love his game. Like, I love how smooth he was. And I'm gonna put. I'm gonna put Otis Anderson in there, only because I've watched this film personally, and I seen. Obviously I play for the Giants, but I've also watched this film personally. I like the way he play.

[Joe]

He's a big, bruising back. He put that wide up on. He put that wine up on you.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Marshawn Lynch. Michonne.

[Joe]

Beast mode.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yeah, Beast mode. You gotta put beast Mode. Was that 4? And then my last one, I'm go. Big Bo Jackson.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Okay. Okay, that's. That's a good.

[Joe]

That's five or six. I think you might have added one.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

I added one.

[Joe]

I think you did.

[Ocho]

That was five, huh?

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

You know, he getting old. He can't. I don't know.

[Joe]

You had. You had Herschel Walker, you had Emmett Smith, Ladanian, Thomason. Who else?

[Ocho]

He had Bo Jackson. Anderson and Bo Jackson.

[Joe]

And Bo Jackson. That's fine. You. Right. You got five. You just. You just named guys. You just named guys that I saw and you didn't see. Yeah, I was surprised. I thought you would go a little bit more modern. You left man. P.O. barry. Man, I ain't never seen somebody leave Barry sandals off their list.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Nah, I ain't gonna buy. So. So I was gonna put Barry and I put Emmett in there, but. All right, that just made me personally. This is my personal.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that's your list. Hey, matter of fact, you know. You know who my favorite running backs are?

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

All time.

[Ocho]

It's not the favorite. It's not the favorites. And I'm not talking about all time. I'm talking about running styles. I'm. I like running backs in general, but I like runners that are very smooth with. No. Herky jerky movements and just. They get the ball and they just. They just glide as they run. Arian Foster.

[Joe]

Yeah, you. Hey, hey, what about Marshawn Lynch? Hey, is he a running back? Oh, that was six. A young man that can't remember. Damn, how you remember your plays? I did. I did say that.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

I did say that.

[Joe]

I did say that.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yeah, I did say that.

[Joe]

Who told you you got a wristband? Your producer told you that?

[Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, Ocho, I ain't never seen a running back like the quarterback, like. Oh, okay, that's the play we running right there. No. 14. Okay, that's me.

[Ocho]

Hey, I. I ain't get my. My, my. My three smoothest running backs of all time. Based on who you got running style. Running style. Okay, four. I'm gonna go with Eric Dickinson first.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Ocho]

That's pretty. Just pretty. Arian Foster.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Know you seen Arian Foster run? Yeah, Priest Holmes.

[Joe]

The Priest.

[Ocho]

Priest home and Iman Green.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

That's a new one. That's a new one.

[Ocho]

Hey. Hey, Unc. Them dudes ran so smooth, and it's like they was gliding and like, you know how you see some running back? It's like strong.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

They run strong.

[Ocho]

Yeah, strong, dog. Them. Them four, I just name right there, man. It was beautiful.

[Joe]

I played. I played with Priest one year. His last year in Baltimore. I played with the Priest.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yeah, man.

[Ocho]

Aman Green, too. Oh, my goodness.

[Joe]

Well, you know, in that west coast system, you're downhill. In the west coast system, if you look at the backs. Arian Foster, he was in the west coast system, ok? You look at those guys like that. Terrell Davis is one cut downhill. It ain't a whole lot. Hey, ain't a whole lot of dancing moving.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, say that for Friday night when you're at the club, but come Sunday when you on the field, ain't no dancing. Get your ass down here.

[Ocho]

Right, right. Hey.

[Joe]

So what can we expect from TT? So you said 1500 10, Tubs. Pro Bowl.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

I mean, hey, ain't the Pro bowl like a fan vote?

[Joe]

It's fans, coaches and players got a fan vote. Like, what if the fans vote? Count them up. Count the most. I think it's 50. And then players and coaches count.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

I'm just asking, you know, you can get a whole. You can get all this, all these accolades and stuff, but, like, you know, I feel like that's fan vote.

[Ocho]

I think once you crack. Once you crack it one time, and especially for you, it'd be much easier because of the market you play in. You Know the product is. It product sells itself based on where you're playing. So if you even get close to the numbers that you're talking about, getting as far as your goals for this season, you would, you would definitely make it. And once you're in, most of the time they think, oh, it's a. It's a popular vote regardless of whether the fans pick it or not.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Consistently go. If you maintain.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

The weekend from us from a. From a stats perspective. Yeah.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

But yeah, that's definitely. That's definitely on my.

[Joe]

On my.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

On my list for sure.

[Joe]

Where can the chat find you on social media? Where are you on. Where are you on X? Where are you on ig?

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Oh, sure. On X or Twitter X. It was just Tyrone Tracy. And then on Instagram, I am underscore TTJ xi. Shoot, both of y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Barry, I need y' all to follow me too. Shoot.

[Ocho]

Hey, wait, mate. I got one more question too before you go. How do you feel about your Madden rating? And. And do I need to change anything? I think, I think, I think I'm.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

At like a. I think I'm at 79. I think.

[Joe]

What?

[Ocho]

A 79?

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Yeah, yeah, I think, I think. I'm not.

[Ocho]

I'm not positive.

[Joe]

In your.

[Ocho]

Your rookie year, you might have been a 79 based on what you did last year. I'm sure it's okay. Further than the 79.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

So. So if not hiring a 79, I need to contact you. What. What I'm hearing.

[Ocho]

Hey, yeah, yeah, just. Just let me know. Just let me know.

[Joe]

N. We'll contact us after the first month of the season. Don't contact us after the first game. After the first month of the season. Contact us first month.

[Tyrone Tracy Jr.]

Okay, first month.

[Joe]

Got you.

[Ocho]

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