BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 3 Part 1: Shedeur Sanders Sabotaged? + Shilo dropped from Bucs

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL Preseason Week 3, Part 1: Shedeur Sanders Sabotaged? + Shilo Dropped from Bucs

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Date: August 27, 2025
Episode Theme:
This episode dives into the most heated storylines of NFL Preseason Week 3, focusing predominantly on the quarterback situation with Shedeur Sanders, questions about his usage and future with the Browns, and the challenges and realities facing Shilo Sanders after being waived by the Buccaneers. Shannon Sharpe and co-host "Ocho" (Chad Johnson) provide in-depth, candid analysis from their perspectives as seasoned NFL veterans while reflecting on the pressures faced by high-profile football families.

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Episode Overview

Shannon Sharpe and Ocho analyze controversial coaching decisions surrounding Shedeur Sanders’ preseason performance and prospects, openly question if he’s being set up to fail or fairly evaluated, and react to Shilo Sanders’ ejection, fine, and subsequent release from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They also contemplate the weight of legacy for athletes like the Sanders brothers, emphasizing the importance of both opportunity and personal drive in making it as a professional athlete.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Shedeur Sanders and the Browns: Performance or Sabotage?

• Preseason Game Breakdown (02:25–07:26)

  • Shedeur Sanders struggled statistically: "He was 3 of 6, 41 yards lost on 5 sacks" [02:25], but Ocho and Shannon both strongly argue that the context matters.
  • Ocho’s Analysis: Sanders was set up for failure, entering the game surrounded by third- and fourth-string players unlikely to make the final roster, and given play calls (long-developing routes) unsuited to a struggling offensive line.

    "You know, you have an offensive line that isn’t playing that well... Why not just play the short game... purposely running plays that are 10, 12, 15 yard routes, knowing damn well the goddam offensive line is not going to be able to hold up is ridiculous." – Ocho [03:33]

  • He insists even star QBs would look bad with "that offensive line in the third quarter" [12:17].

• Quarterback Competition Fairness

  • Both hosts question why Shedeur wasn’t given a chance to run the two-minute drill despite performing poorly—usually, coaches let a struggling QB redeem themselves late.
  • Shannon’s Take:

    "I don’t understand why you would let Snoop Huntley take the two minute unless he’s going to be one of the four quarterbacks... You give that to Shedeur." [07:26]

  • Reference to a tweet from Derek Carr, echoing criticism of the coaches:

    "Why didn’t you keep him in for 2 minutes?... Wouldn’t you want to see your young quarterback operate in this situation?" [13:13]

• Play Calling and Decision-Making

  • Blunt criticism of Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski for creating a non-competitive environment for Sanders, despite the latter's struggles with holding the ball too long (a known habit dating to his college days).

    "If you want me to win a modern war, give me the weapons. You can’t expect me to win a modern war with muskets and cannons." – Shannon [07:26]

  • Both hosts cite their own experiences with depth-chart politics and how (normally) strong preseason play leads to more reps with better talent—the opposite of what Sanders experienced.

    "When a guy... plays good in a preseason game, they normally come in and that practice back, he’s like, I want to see what the guy can do with the ones and the twos... That’s normally how it works." – Shannon [19:13–21:53]

• Browns’ Roster Politics

  • Speculation that the organization may have already decided to move on, citing the political and marketing ramifications of carrying a Sanders on the roster.

    "What scares me is him going to another team and will [a] team be willing to be able to deal with someone with the last name Sanders that brings the kind of attention to a team that he does. And he’s not even a starting quarterback." – Ocho [17:29]

Memorable Quotes

• "Don’t make a bad play worse. You see your offensive line break down... don’t run around and lose five, don’t lose ten... come on, you gotta be better than that." – Shannon [10:39]
• "I’m not making excuses for him. He played bad. But I can tell you why he played bad." – Ocho [06:18]
• "If you believe he was that good, you would have given him a better opportunity to show you what he can do." – Shannon [19:19]
• "A blind man can see that." – Ocho (on Browns’ intentions) [12:17]

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Shilo Sanders: Ejection, Fine & Release from the Bucs

Ejection for Throwing Punch (28:51–34:33)

• Shilo was ejected after throwing a punch at Bills’ TE Zach Davidson.
  • Both hosts agree Shilo "knows better":

    "You can’t do that... especially in that moment... if your arm extends and it touches the other individual, you going out the game every time." – Ocho [28:59]

• Shannon breaks down NFL fines structure, revealing first-offense fighting fines are about $40,000 [31:44].
• Discussion of how the penalty might hurt Shilo’s chances to make a roster, especially as an undrafted player already on the bubble.

Notable Quotes

• "Sometimes your last name can be a blessing and a curse." – Shannon [46:45]
• "When emotion is high, logic is low. We’ve all done things... we look back at like, man, why the hell I do that?" – Shannon [34:48]

Memories and Humor

• Both reminisce about the old-school division rivalries, legendary trash talking, and the fierce competition they miss as retired players [38:33–40:00].

Shilo Waived by Buccaneers (45:44–51:23)

• Coverage of the Bucs announcing Shilo’s release.
• Shannon and Ocho list possible fits (Bengals, Steelers, Saints), noting his agents are powerful (Drew Rosenhaus and Robert Bailey). They're confident he’ll get picked up or at least make a practice squad.
• Broader reflection: This is likely the first time in his life Shilo's been told he’s “not good enough”—a reality check all high achievers must eventually face.

Notable Quotes

• "It’s not normal that free agents have breaking news that they’re being released. He’s an undrafted free agent and because his name is Sanders... people say, well, Shannon, he only got an opportunity because his last name is Sanders." – Shannon [46:45]
• "For the first time in your life, you’re in your mid-20s before somebody ever tells, someone ever utters to you, you’re not good enough." – Shannon [47:33]

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The Legacy: Living In the Shadow of Greatness (51:24–59:36)

• Thoughtful segment on the dynamics of being the child of legends—balancing expectations, legacy, and self-motivation.
  • Examples: Deion Sanders’ sons, Terrell Owens’ son, Peyton Manning, Clay Matthews, Tiger Woods.
  • Sharpe: “Are you living in your parents’ shadow or are you embracing it?” [54:30]
• Both agree the drive has to come from within; forced ambition rarely works.
• Commentary on famous sports parents (Joe Jackson, Tiger Woods Sr., Richard Williams) and how “prodigy” children often display a self-driven hunger which cannot be instilled purely from the outside [56:06–57:51].

Notable Quotes

• "You’re not supposed to look at your child as a paycheck. You’re not supposed to look at your child as the way out." – Shannon [55:09]
• "Motivation and discipline. When you’re not motivated, are you disciplined enough to go do what you need to do?" – Shannon [58:41]
• "The biggest thing is, are you living in your parents’ shadow or are you embracing it?" – Ocho [54:38]

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Notable Moments & Quotes by Timestamp

• 02:25–07:00 – Ocho’s breakdown of Shedeur’s poor performance and set-up to fail
• 07:26 – Shannon: "If you want me to win a modern war, give me the weapons"
• 12:17 – Ocho: "A blind man can see that."
• 13:13–15:19 – Derek Carr tweet, media criticism of Browns’ playcalling, support from Mike Hill
• 19:13–21:53 – Shannon details typical NFL preseason opportunity progression
• 28:51–31:44 – Shilo’s ejection, NFL fines, and ramifications
• 34:48 – Shannon: "When emotion is high, logic is low."
• 46:45 – Shilo waived, the “blessing and curse” of the Sanders name
• 47:33 – "For the first time in your life... you’re not good enough." – Shannon
• 54:30–55:09 – "Are you living in your parents’ shadow or embracing it?" – Ocho; "You’re not supposed to look at your child as a paycheck." – Shannon
• 58:41 – "When you’re not motivated, are you disciplined enough..." – Shannon

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Summary & Takeaways

• Shedeur Sanders’ preseason showing was criticized, but Shannon and Ocho insist circumstances and coaching set him up to fail, arguing his evaluation was neither fair nor typical.
• Shilo Sanders’ ejection and waiver bring to light the outsized scrutiny attached to the Sanders name, and the unique challenges and opportunities faced by the children of sports icons.
• The episode closes on a thoughtful note about legacy, self-motivation, discipline, and the difference between living in a parent’s shadow versus building one’s own legacy.

Final Memorable Quote

"The greats... Not only are they extremely talented, they're extremely driven individuals. I'm talking about obsessed... that's why she's always going to be mentioned, because she was obsessed with it. Yes. She's ultimately talented to be able to, for her to be able to move around the court like she could with that, with that powerful forehand." – Shannon [59:17]

For listeners new to the episode:
This is vintage Club Shay Shay—unguarded, informed, and unflinchingly honest, offering not only technical football insight but a penetrating look into the pressures of legacy and the realities of pro sports.

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Hello, it's your favorite sports dunk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Night Cap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're going to make OO cry. OO. But first, Shador final final preseason game. He was 3 of 614 yards, 41 yards lost on 5 sacks. I know you watched this game as I did. I want to hear what you have to say first.

[A]

Well, first of all, listen George Sanders didn't play bad. Chat those that follow me on Twitter. You happy? There it is. He didn't, he didn't. He didn't play well. He didn't play well. He played bad, huh? Obviously he stunk it up. But let me, let me, let me clarify why.

[C]

He offer some insight.

[A]

Let me give you a little insight. So he comes in in the third quarter, am I correct? Unk. It was the third quarter about then. Okay, Boom. So the players that are playing in the third quarter, excuse me if I'm, excuse me if I'm wrong, you can do your homework. Will those players make the 53 man roster? Un.

[C]

A lot of them will not.

[A]

A lot of them will not make. Exactly. So again, I'm all for quarterback competition, but if you're going to put him in a situation that is not advantageous to, to him and competing at a high level, boom. Let's give him a chance. Let's give him a chance with the play calling. You know, you have an offensive line that isn't playing that well, so what do we do? Why not just play the short game so we can get the ball out of his hands very fast? To run a competent goddamn offense, purposely running plays that are 10, 12, 15 yard routes, knowing damn well the goddamn offensive line is not going to be able to hold up is ridiculous. It's clear. I played football for a very long time. I played in NFL at a very high level for a very, very long time. I understand in a situation like that, when it comes to the threes and fours that you're playing with that aren't going to be, that aren't going to be on the squad and not going to make the team. Give your quarterback a chance. Okay, you know what? You know they can't hold up that long. Let's play quick game. Let's play quick game just to get Shador in the goddamn rhythm. But no, you come out calling regular officer plays that are very long. Damn near play action if he was under center, knowing they take a while to develop. Knowing good and goddamn well the O line and the people you have out there right now are not going to be able to hold up outside of that. Shador has to be better in understanding that the offensive line that you're working with right now is not adequate. Get the ball out your hands, get the ball that you hand. But he's holding the ball for one reason. He's holding the ball because the goddamn players aren't open. He's waiting for things to develop, which is why he's holding the ball and trying to make something happen by holding on to it, by scrambling, moving obviously running out of area, running out of real estate and being sacked. I'm not sure what game you guys are watching again. I State sure did play bad. He did. But why he played bad is clear as day if you understand the game of football and what he had to work with. Kevin Saansky, not let your come back in the game to finish the two minute drill. Oh, I've never seen that before. I've, I've never in my, never in my life ever have seen anything like that before. What are we doing? What are we doing? No disrespect to Snoop Huntley. Snoop is probably not going to be on the team. He's probably not going to be on the team. So I'm not sure what you were waiting to look. Snoop was on the team simply because quarterbacks were injured so they brought in the extra body. Why not allow the players that are competing for a job in this instance, Jador Sanders, to finish off the two minute drill.

[C]

Agreed.

[A]

What are we doing? Who makes that call? He makes that call. Why? Because I want the last thing people to see. I want the last people, the last thing for people to remember is the mistakes and the sacks that happen and not give him a chance to redeem himself. Because I think probably what would have happened, okay, we can't have Shador coming here and finish this two minute drive and go down and get a touchdown. We don't want that. So we're gonna leave him on the sideline. So these are bad taste in those mouths. So now there's nothing that they can say. There's nothing that they can say because now you got a small sample size of him playing with people that are probably not going to be on the team in their bio on Twitter gonna say former man, come on, man. But okay, I, I can't wait to hear your piece and, and chat. For those of you who are listening and watching. I'm not making excuses for him. He played bad. He played bad. But I can tell you why he played bad. I mean, if you know the game of football and understand the game of football, understand that those that are in there with him during that time and I'm not going to be able to go ahead, man.

[C]

I agree with everything you said. He did play bad. And you and I, we come out here and we on, we're on, we talk four or five nights a week, sometimes six nights a week. We've gone six straight nights. We've gone nine straight days before. And what we do, we tell it like it ti like my grandma say, boy, tell it like it tis is. We tell it like it is. Shador did not play well today. He played awful. Everything that you said is true. Shador. You know this offensive line is not competent enough to give you protection. And I understand it's his. Ocho. I'm in competition. I saw what Dylan Gabriel did with the guys that's probably going to be on the team. I'm trying to match that. But what happened is, is that they didn't give him the necessary pieces in order to match this. If you want me to fight, if you want me to win a war, give me the weapons you can't get. Expect me to win a modern war with muskets and cannons. They use drones now. They use stuff with precision, pinpoint accuracy. So you expected me to win a modern game and you giving me old time? That won't work. So Shador has to do a better job of getting the ball out of his hands. Ocho, he has some time. It's okay, Coach. Hey, that ain't my game. That's Lamar Jackson. That's. That's Josh Allen. That's Jalen Hurts. That's their game. Buying time like that. Shador has in a pocket he can move side to side, but he doesn't have that ability, that escapability like these other quarterbacks. Like I, like the board mentioned, I mentioned. I don't understand why you would let Snoop Huntley take the two minute unless he's going to be one of the four quarterbacks that's going to be on your roster. You give that to Shador. I agree with what you said because you said, look, we've seen guys play bad, be great in the two minute drill, and you forget they played bad the entirety of the game. I don't know what's inside Kevin Stefanski head. Maybe he's like, hey, I wanted Snoop. You know, we're going to probably. We're going to end up releasing him and you know, we wanted him to go, look, Snoop Huntley's been in the league four or five years. He started several games for the Ravens when Lamar Jackson would hurt. Hell, he started a pre a postseason game. So this notion that you doing him some type of favor when the man has been in the league four or five years, he started six, seven games in his career. He started a postseason game is just disingenuous. With all that being said, I agree the offensive line wasn't very good. And the one thing that a coach used to always tell me, he say, son, don't make a bad play worse. You see your offensive line break down. Shador, don't make a bad play worse. Don't run around and lose five, don't lose 10. He got sacked five. He got sacked five times, lost 41 yards, fumble the ball. Come on, you gotta be better than that. And I understand when you're in competition, Ocho, I'm trying to compete. So I'm going to scratch claw and do whatever I think is necessary that's going to help me, put me in an advantageous situation so I can compete, so I can win. But I don't get what they did, why they did it. Some things is not for. Some things is offered without explanation. Some things you and I can't explain. Even though with the. With the 30 plus years between us of NFL experience and the number of pro Bowls and all pros, both of us are in our team's respective ring of fames. Some things we just can't answer because we are not in Kevin Stefanski's heads. We don't. Here it is, Ocho. Here's Kevin Stefanski not letting Shador run the two minute drill at the end of the grain, at the end of the game with the Browns. Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

[A]

Kevin. It was a.

[C]

Obviously a bit of a rough second.

[A]

Half for Shadow and the Brown, the entire Browns offense. But like, why didn't you keep him in for two minutes or why'd you decide to put time.

[C]

Yeah, obviously we didn't play great as.

[A]

An offense in the second half. That's, that's never on one person.

[C]

So we can be in, we can.

[A]

Be better in a bunch of areas and just felt like we wanted to.

[C]

Give Snoop a last draft. Did, did Shador have something wrong with.

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Them after the game?

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Yeah, he's good. He walked up to you after taking his walk down to the pylon and then he walked back up to you on the sidelines before, before Snoop went in and he said something to do.

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To you, you shook your head.

[C]

I mean, was he trying to get back? He's a competitive kid. The plan was to go with Snoop there, so. But I wouldn't make any more of it than that. Yeah, he's like, coach, let me get this, let me get this last one. Give me an opportunity now. We good? We're gonna take a look.

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They know what they doing. They know what they doing. Listen, a blind man can see that a Blind man can see that. Again, for those of you in the chat, I, I listen, I'm not taking it for him. I'm gonna say it again. I'm a re. And I reiterated Shador Sanders played bad based on the circumstances in the situation he was put in and the weapons around him and the offensive line that he had to deal with that probably won't be on the 53 man roster. That's exactly what you would look like. You could have put Tom Brady out there with that offensive line. He would look the exact same way you could have put Patrick Mahomes out there. But that offensive line, in that third quarter, the second half, he would have looked the exact same way. Kevin Stefanski saying we didn't play well in the second half. Well, yeah, I mean, obviously you didn't.

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Call plays well in the second half. This is what Derek Carr had to say. I need to understand why, why we don't get to see Shador run this two minute drill. What? Wouldn't you want to see your young quarterback operate in this situation? Get him more reps for the future? I didn't see the whole game, so maybe he already showed enough. Help me understand this, Jerome. Aiden Rupp. So Kevin Stefanski give Dylan Gabriel easy short throws with max protection and then give Shador bull jive plays with an old line that looked like they just ate a gang of Little Debbies. F you Browns trade Shador.

[A]

Did you, did you hear the key word? When I, when did I. As soon as I stated that he played well. And the first thing I said, what you just read, he gave Dylan Gabriel short throws to get himself in rhythm to get the ball out his hands. And then in the second half, the play calls were much longer. Routes that took time to develop and they know good and well that the offensive line wouldn't be able to hold up. The only reason a quarterback holds on to the ball, sometimes it's covered sacks, sometimes it's waiting for receivers to get downfield, for routes to develop. And they know good and well. Like you know good and well it wasn't going to work. You have a, you have an NFL quarterback, an experienced quarterback. That's pointing it out. Exactly what I said. I didn't even know. I didn't know. Derek Carr tweeted that. I didn't even know. But I'm just sitting here watching him like, like, what are we doing? What are we doing as a, as a, as a coach, as a head coach, as a coaching staff. I mean, if you, if it's a quarterback Competition, put the players in advantageous situations and give them a chance to succeed. It's simple. It's something like you would do on Sunday when Joe Flacco goes out there. Week one against the Cincinnati Bengals. They're going to put him in positions to succeed every quarter, every down. It's just the way the game is played. You play to win the game. I mean, I, I, I don't, I, I don't understand. I don't want to.

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Mike Hill. Mike Hill. I hope Shador will eventually end up on a good roster with a coach who wants and believes in him. It's so obvious. This league and even the Browns in a sense have been trying to send a message to him since he, since the draft. And it's downright disgusting. Like I said, I co sign. I agree with everything that you said. The, the play was not adequate enough and Shadour has to get to a point in time. That's always been his knock. We said this when he was in college. He, he holds onto the ball too long, you're not going to make every play. The sooner he gets that in his head, the sooner he comes to that realization, the better off he's going to be. Do not make a bad play worse, Ocho, if you, the worst thing you could do, Ocho, if I run a, if I run the wrong route is drop the ball when he throw it to me. Damn, son, at least you can do is catch it. You done effed up to play. You're someplace you're not supposed to be, son. If you jump offside, son, just go, just go ahead. Maybe they missed it, but don't make a bad play worse and you block the wrong guy and then you end up holding. Well, damn, son. Shador, just speed your process up. Yes, the offensive line wasn't adequate. Yes, the receivers give him the plays that you gave him against Carolina. Let him get the ball out of his hands. Let him, let, let in a situation like that, you let the, you let the offense, you let the receivers help you. You put the ball in their hands and says, okay, son, go get four, five yards out the catch as, as opposed to taking a five step drop and trying to push the ball down the field. That is my, my synopsis of what I saw. Hopefully now, Ocho, hopefully preseason is over, we can stop having these conversations. Joe Flacco is the starting quarterback now. We need to stop asking these questions. When are we going to see Shador? Because you're not going to see Joe Flacco. Something happens to him if they keep four quarterbacks. It's going to be Joe Flacco. It's going to probably be, I don't know, hell, the way it looks, look like Dylan Gabriel might be two now, Kenny Pickett might be three.

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And you know what? Also, I'm not saying it scares me, but it worries me if they've already made a decision, if their mind is already made up as an organization, as a head coach has them coming out and saying what he said two weeks ago about the pick not being his and Andrew Berry standing by his side and standing by his pick. And for Andrew Berry to have to witness what he saw today, someone that is very intelligent, very intelligent to be in a position of power that he's in and to witness what he witnessed today, I'm thinking also if the decision's already been made to, to release your door or to cut him in any way, shape, form or fashion, what scares me is, is him going to another team and will team be willing to be able to deal with someone with the last name Sanders that brings the kind of attention to a team that he does. And he's not even a starting quarterback. You. You understand what I'm saying? Because that.

[C]

That I do.

[A]

That brings a totally different dynamic to a team where it takes away from whoever the eighth, whoever the starting quarterback is, being Shador now coming in and being on that team. You get where I'm going with it now?

[C]

I do.

[A]

That he didn't create, but it just come with the Sanders last name in general.

[C]

That's a lot of oxygen being taken up out the room for a guy that's not playing. That's what you said. The Browns general manager Andrew Berry told the NFL Network. Keeping four quarterbacks, not much of a decision. We have a room that we like and all the guys in there, we. We don't really see that as a problem. We more see it as an opportunity. Oo my thing is, why you keeping four quarterbacks when clearly one of the quarterbacks you don't actually believe in?

[A]

I know. Hey, I know Andrew Barry and Mr. Hasm. I know they be going at it, boy, because it's not.

[C]

It's not like their sentimentality sometimes. Oo we hold on to things that, that have sentimental value to us. Oh, man. Oh, I had this thing so long, I just can't let it go, you know, But. But when there's no sentimentality to it, there's no attachment to it. You just drafted a guy. You drafted a guy in the fifth round. Why are you holding on to it if you believe he was that good, you would have given him a better opportunity to show you what he can do. From what I could deduce and from what I read, I've never. I've never read anything or saw anything that Shador Sanders took refs with the ones or the twos, except when Gabriel got hurt. And then he took that. They were playing that Friday and he took ref that Wednesday. Thursday. Other than that. Excuse me. Prior to that, there was not a situation where I read what Mary Kay Cabbage was writing and I read what others had written that I saw that Shador Sanders had taken ref with the ones and twos. So if he's not taking one of the two, and you would think after what he did in the Carolina game, that's normally what happens. Chat. I'm telling you what normally happens. When a guy, if he's down on the depth chart and he plays good in a preseason game, they normally come in and that practice back, he's like, I want to see what the guy can do with the ones and the twos, no matter the position, be it quarterback, running back, wide receiver, O line, D, line line linebacker, cornerback. I'm telling you, that's normally how it works. You're talking to a guy that was in a very similar situation and y' all say, well, shadow, you always inserting yourself. I'm inserting myself because I'm telling you I was in a situation like Shador. He was a fifth rounder. I was a seventh rounder. I was like sixth or seventh on the depth chart. So I played good in the preseason game. Oh, guess what? Next thing I know, hey, 80. At the time, I was 81, sharp, cool with the backup quarterback. And he called me greasy. He said, greasy, they put you with the ones and the twos today. So, hey, make sure you ready. You need to know anything, ask me. I don't know why, but seven and COOB always took a liking to me. They always took a liking to me. Cool would come into the game and practice. Ocho, he was like, greasy. You know what you got? I say, nah, not really. He said, you got X, Y, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I'm telling you, just like this. He said, greasy. Look, it's going to be covered, too. Take the hole, Greasy. It's going to be. It's going to be single house safety run to seven. It's going to be this. Hook it up. 15 yards. Hook it up. Show me your letters. I'm going to get you the ball. Hey, let's go. Let's hey, let's go make some money today. He was always like that in my ear. So it gave me confidence that damn, this man, he don't, hey, I'm a rookie and he helping me, he working with me. Hey, seven with the exact same way. But once I played good in the game with him. Guess what? Now I come back on Monday. Ocho, I'm with the twos. I didn't get into the fourth quarter. Cause they want to see what you can do with the starters. Okay. If he did this with some backups, let's see if we put it with the number, the one and twos. Let's see if he can do that again. Maybe it was because he's going against guys that's not going to be there, but let's see if he can compete against guys that we know going to be there on Sunday. So this is a very similar situation with Shador. I would have thought you would have thought because we had this conversation, ooh, he gonna get some ref.

[A]

So, so we, so we thought based on our experience and what happens when you play well. But listen, outside of that, Joe Flacco, that boy looked good. He looked good. Dan Gabriel came in. God damn, Dylan Gabriel looked good. Very efficient pass is coming out, everything sharp went down, touchdown. And then, you know, obviously 12 didn't play good today. He didn't. And I, I've said it over and over for those in the chat. I know we, we have our Shador haters who do, who don't, who don't like him. He didn't play well. You can you hear me? But in most of those that are hating too, they, they don't, they don't, they don't watch football. They don't understand football. They don't understand the ins and announcements.

[C]

The intricacies of football that you understand that played the game exactly. Understand the nuances.

[A]

We see it, we see it clear as day, but they just on it, oh, he played bad. He's ass, he sucked. He's a fifth rounder. He's not that good. Well, of course, yes, based on what you saw today. But I'm. We're trying to tell you why it looked that way. But that's neither here nor there. It is what it is. They made a decision. They had to lie in the bed with it. So listen, I'm. I'm happy for him.

[C]

This is why I watch the game with no sound. I don't want someone to contaminate my mind. And I regurgitate what somebody else said. Also the reason why I watch fans are only interested in the end result. I'm trying to figure out why we got said result. It's not good enough that they scored a touchdown. I need to know why. Let me see the formation. Let me see what the guy did. Let me see the defensive coverage. Was it just a great route? Did he just beat. Sometimes Ocho, you just beat the guy, and that's okay. You get paid, he gets paid. Sometimes Ocho just going to win because Ocho was just a better player. Sometimes the defensive back is going to win. He wins some. You win more than he. Than you lose sometimes. Who blew the assignment? Was it the safety? Was he getting greedy? Paying attention to the tight end on the over when he should have been deep middle? What did the corner. Why did he. Did he not. Did he not shovel the receiver down inside and sink? Why was he still so far? Why was he so close up when there's nothing to threaten the flat? I'm analyzing all of that. It's just not good enough for me to know that they scored. I'm trying to see why they scored. And then I'm gonna tell you, based on my experience having played the game, having studied the game, this is what I think happened. So Ocho and I, what we're trying to do, we're not making excuses for Shador. Shedeur has to do a better job of not making a bad situation worse.

[A]

Hey, I was so confused tonight, too. Let me. Let me tell you something. I really. I really do this. And I watched the game for a long time, so I thought, maybe I'm tripping. Maybe I'm tripping based on what I'm seeing, and maybe I'm not seeing it correctly. Hell, I picked up the phone, I called T.J. i called who I call whoosh. And I'm like, who's. Am I tripping or did I see what I thought I just saw? When 12 winning the game, he's like, yeah, yeah. You could tell that was a bunch of, you know What? You know, T.J. t.J. Don't care. He just. He just go off. Off the rock on the phone. Yeah. Why would you put him in that situation? I said, okay, I just want to. If I heard it from you, and I know how you. You know how tj he gonna tell it like it is. He don't. He don't care. And, okay, I just want to make sure I wasn't tripping. I just want to make sure I wouldn't. From another mouth that actually played the goddamn game. The receiver position that also knows the game extremely well, all the intricacies that come with it. Okay, boom. I know I wasn't tripping.

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[C]

Shiloh Sanders was ejected after throwing a punch at Bill's tight end, Zach Davidson. Should he have been ejected?

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't do that. You got to be able to control yourself, especially in that moment. I know the tight end, you know, they was locked up a little bit. He was probably trying to rough hide him a little bit. But you have to be able to control yourself. You got to be able to control your emotions, especially moments like that, especially in the game, especially in the Game. So you know you have no choice if you throw a punch, if anything, if you, if, if your arm extends and it touches the other individual, you going out the game every time.

[C]

Ocho, he in the open field. That's not like an offensive defensive lineman. Ocho, you in the pile and can't nobody see you trying to hit the guy. Ocho, he the bad judge of the side judge that was. He was standing right there.

[A]

They right there. You know, sometimes you got players that'll provoke you sometimes.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

They're always going to see the person that, that swings last. I never see who initiated, but they gonna always see the person who swings last. So you got to be able.

[C]

I ain't trying, I ain't trying to get you back in front of ref. I'm trying to get you back when you ain't thinking about it. Because see, if I do something, then you brace it. You go. All you gonna do is turn to the ref. You see ref, he did the age start. Hey, ref, you see what 84. Did you see what he did? Worry about it. I'm gonna get you back. It's gonna look like a place. I'm gonna get your ass back. Yeah. Or I'm gonna get your teammate.

[A]

Somebody, somebody, Somebody gonna get it.

[C]

Somebody gonna get got. They got your color uniform on. He ain't had nothing to do with it, but that's your teammate. Hey, y' all know how it is. Word. Hey, I'mma get you with somebody that's related to you. Yeah, but, but I, I agree with you, Ocho. Shiloh knows better. Shiloh knows he can't do a situation like that, bro. You can't hurt. He got on. He got on a helmet. So let's just say for a second about. You hit him. Okay. You hit him in the head. Oh, what happened? You break your hand, you gonna get a penalty. In this situation, you got toss. Now, even if you do rate the wrong, you do know when you get thrown out of game, mocho, you know that's like 20, 20, 20, $30,000. So let's just say for the sake of argument. Oh, yeah, yeah. How much is an ejection in the football game? It's like 25, 30,000.

[A]

Not that much.

[C]

The hell you say.

[A]

My goddamn celebrations were 25 30,000. I know they ain't.

[C]

But you stayed in the game. Your celebration didn't call you to get tossed out of a game. Yeah, I'm curious, how much is an.

[A]

Ejection, Especially a first time offense too. They gonna say they're Gonna take all that into account.

[C]

Actually like 32, 000.

[A]

They go. They're gonna, they're gonna let him appeal that. They're gonna let him appeal that first time offense too. They're gonna be like, who you appealing to?

[C]

So let me ask you a question. Nah, I think, I think it's Brooks. Derrick Brooks, James Thrash, and John Runyon. So Brooks and Thrash and then Runyon is over.

[A]

James Thrash. Oh, goddamn. James Thrash.

[C]

What?

[A]

Hey, wait. Derrick Brooks you talking about?

[C]

He threw a punch. Yeah, 40 for fighting Ocho.

[A]

Hey, hold on. You said Derrick Brooks, you talk about double nickel. Yeah, okay. I didn't know that, man. They gonna take care. They gonna take care of him.

[C]

I mean, Brooks and trash, they're very friendly, but some things.

[A]

Yeah, I know.

[C]

Yeah. Physical contact with an official is 40,000. The second offense is 81,000. Verbal or non physical offense against official. So if you cursing or something, that's 32,000. Next one. Woo. Fighting. 40,000 for the first offense. $40,686 a second offense is 81,000. So unsportsmanlike conduct. I don't.

[A]

You.

[C]

You know what? Maybe they label it unsportsmanlike conduct.

[A]

Okay, they see.

[C]

But what, what did they call it during the game? What did they say during the game? Because that if you throw a ball into the stands, that's $8,100. Ocho.

[A]

What you play uniform, the ball in the stand still.

[C]

I know I ain't throw one. Chin strap, shoulder pads, thigh knee pads, that's 57. That's $5,800. Unapproved visor or tent, lack of brand marks. 5,700 personal messages about 11.

[A]

Five damn.

[C]

Gang signs.

[A]

Ooh, gang sign.

[C]

Don't do that, don't do that. That's all I got for yo Joe.

[A]

Hey, what? Hey, that's. That's a gang sign too.

[C]

Hey, that's all I got. That's all I got for you. But I just say, look, the emotions got the best of him, you know. You fighting for a roster spot. I don't know what. Like I said, I don't know what happened. I just, you know, saw the steel shots of it like. So I don't know if he did this or he did that.

[A]

Blocking him all the way down the field, it seemed like, yeah, he, you know, obviously Titan came off, got up on the safety and they just keep trying to drive him back. Driving back. And I'm assuming.

[C]

Oh, he tried to dump it. He tried. Yeah, he tried to dump.

[A]

Yeah, that's all.

[C]

Little rough house and we find out what they. What they call it in the game. And I, you know, you just got to be smart in a situation like that because you are fighting for a position. You don't want to do anything to cause you position. But you know, a. I trust me. Sometime when emotion is high, logic is low. We've all done things that like, we look back at like, man, why the hell I do that? Why? And should do it probably like as he's walking to the tunnel, like everybody should door. Excuse me. Shiloh. Everybody's gonna get got. If you play long enough, somebody gonna get you with a block, somebody gonna pancake you, somebody gonna route your ass up, you gonna get got. It's like being in the NBA. You gonna get dunked on. You play long enough, you'll get dunked on. I don't care. Excuse me. I don't care who you are, you going to get. Offensive lineman gonna get beat, he gonna get run over. Defensive lineman gonna get blocked, he gonna get pancaked. Quarterback gonna get hit. All that's going to happen because it's the game of football. And those guys are really good that you're going against. They're really good. I know you're really good also, but they're really good. And somebody that's really good can make somebody else that really. That's really good look bad. I don't think people realize. People just think that, oh, he's such and such. He's supposed to win all the time. No. Hell you not. No. Even Barry Bonds, he didn't strike out often, but he did strike out. Tony Gwynn didn't strike out often, but he did strike out. He did get. Nobody hit 500, hit 6. 700. So obviously. But you know, I ain't really never got that mad, Ocho. Not in the game. I mean, somebody have somebody done some dirty stuff? Yeah, yeah. And I got their ass back.

[A]

I mean, I'm trying to think what I ever only time I was about to fight when I was gonna beat Ray's ass. That's it. You heard me.

[C]

You gonna be Ray up mouth and.

[A]

A beat Ray all up and down MT Bank Stadium. He lucky Ed re grabbed me. Boy, I was feeling good that day too.

[C]

Oh, you feeling?

[A]

I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. He. He didn't even know rain even know like he hit me. Right.

[C]

Okay. Okay, go ahead. What'd you say?

[A]

Dre hit me. I went for the slant. It was too high.

[C]

I know, I saw it.

[A]

And listen, my helmet went flying so Once I got my helmet. Once I got my helmet. Now we're getting ready to walk up on him. And he knew I was gonna hit him in the stomach, so, you know, when you hit somebody in the stomach, the first thing they do is they go.

[C]

They.

[A]

They bend down.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And so, I mean, listen, by. Man. Boy, I'll tell you what, I would have. That. That 52 would have been 25 when I was done with Ray that day. Boy.

[C]

I don't think you had. I don't think you had all your bearings. I mean, I think you were. I think you was about to be the headless foot, the headless football player, because I thought your head was in that hill.

[A]

It was. It was. It was. He gonna get his work, though. Hey, hey, that's. That's one of. That's one of the things I miss, though. Like, I know I play around a lot. I make a lot of jokes. I'm always laughing and stuff.

[C]

What you miss?

[A]

Being able to compete. Not against anybody. I'm talking about being able to compete against those Steeler teams with Ike Taylor and. And James Harrison and Larry Foot and. And Joey Porter and. Oh, man.

[C]

Yeah. I thought you was gonna say you miss. You miss getting hit.

[A]

Oh, I don't. I don't mind that either. Listen, you know, I'm. I was like. I was like, gumby, Unk. I ain't care not about that getting hit. You gotta. You gotta. I got up from every single hit except one. 11 years, one hit I didn't get up. That was it.

[C]

When you pop up fast, they know they got you.

[A]

Now, you know I pop up fast. Talking trash, though, every time. It was some good days, man, I miss playing them Ravens, man, them defenses, man. Dog, that. That was such a joy. Such a joy because you had no. You had no choice but to show up, huh?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

There's no weakness. There was no weakness nowhere. Nowhere.

[C]

Yeah, division games are always second level.

[A]

Was good, Secondary was good. And here go my crazy. I'm talking trash all week long to take all the pressure off of everybody else on our team. So all the pressure was on me. Now all y' all gotta do is just go out there and just do your job.

[C]

Nah. Cause they cheap shot everybody, man. Why you cheap, man? Cause. Tell Sharp to say shut up. Okay, man, Sharp leave alone. You ain't gotta block him. Well, you need to block better.

[A]

Yeah, I. I enjoyed it that way, man. I don't know why, man.

[C]

I know. Look, you know what? I. I bet. I bet you time called him from the I bet you time called Shiloh in the locker room.

[A]

Of course, man. What did you. And what is you doing?

[C]

What? That's exactly what.

[A]

Come on now.

[C]

What you doing? Really? So you think so? Let me ask you a question. You hit him. You think you heard him. You think there was a greater chance. You hurt your own self or you hurt. You could hurt him. You hurt your own self, your own team, or you hurt him or his team. Cause that's how you look. There's a. I don't know if he, like, he ain't really no time, ain't really no yeller. He's more of a talker and a stern. And a stern way to get his point across me. I'm like, bro, what. What come. What. What are you doing? Really? You thought that was you? That was your answer. The man, the man, the man, the man done drove you like a Winnebago. So now you mad cause you couldn't get him up off you. You take a swipe at him.

[A]

Oh, man.

[C]

Hey, Shiloh, you will get the weight room, bro. Them guys, them guys big. Them tight ends. Hey, you know, I was just strong, but I wasn't, you know, I was 228. Them guys, not them tight end. Now they 6, 4, 6, 5, 250, 260. Hey, you gotta drop anger on them, Shiloh. Get up off me. The hell you think you see?

[A]

No. And prime gotta be careful. Cause Shiloh were hitting back. Well, you were the same one out there fighting with Andre Rising. So how you sitting here telling me about thr you was out there?

[C]

Bad time. I. I bet I remember that. Like, hey, he like, he tried to show. He tried to show out front in my house.

[A]

You can't come to my house going at it, boy. But they were going at it.

[C]

I think Dre forgot that Time was left handed. He was, yeah, yeah, he. He was looking for the right. And Ty with killing with the left. I think. I think that's what happened. See, that's what gets you, Ocho, because you think most of the time, and I think most people are right handed. What's the percentage of right handed people if it ain't no 50? 50 like a coin flip, it's got to be like 70, 30, righty to lefty. And so you automatically assume somebody right handed. And so you like, you. You looking for that right? And he just got this upside your.

[A]

Head with a yeah, met him, boy.

[C]

Were going and see, the thing was, time was smart. See, time it wouldn't. Wasn't punching me. Time ain't want to break his hand open open. Ty was open handed it but I I think, I think Shiloh learned. I mean hey you like hey, if hopefully he makes the squad and he can get it because this thing can be on the practice squad. You ain't making 40,000 a week. They gonna take your first three weeks going to the NFL.

[A]

You're gonna be all right.

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[C]

The headlines the Buccaneers informed rookie Shiloh Sanders today that he's being waved. His agent, Drew Rosenhaus, Robert Bailey, a former teammate of mine with the Ravens, added, we're hoping he'd get claimed of waivers. Oo yeah. Where do you think Shiloh will land?

[A]

You know what, I'm not sure where he will land. There's some teams out there that could use some depth, especially at the safety position. I'm not sure what the Bengals look like in the, in the, in the secondary. I think Steelers can add, the Saints can add to their secondary as well. He's going to get claimed where he gets claimed. I'm not sure where that would be yet. Listen, for one, he has Austin representation of Robert Bailey and Drew Rosenhaus. Obviously they represented me while I was playing during my tenure. So he will get picked up. Where he gets picked up, I'm not sure. But he has the right person in his corner to make sure he gets another opportunity to play the game that he loves.

[C]

Sometimes your last name can be a blessing and a curse. It's not normal that free agents have breaking news that they're being released. He's an undrafted free agent and because his name is Sanders, the blessing and the curse, people say, well, Shannon, he only got an opportunity because his last name is Sanders. I haven't. I mean, maybe you can recall the last time an undrafted free agent, it was breaking news that he was getting released. Well, actually waived, whatever the case may be. Go ahead, Ocho.

[A]

Anytime it's a rookie, especially undrafted rookie, the only time they make the news, uncle, is when they get in trouble.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Is there an arrest of some sort? Anything coming out of college where they've gotten in trouble and. But that's pretty much it. Because of the last name is why it's breaking news. And it just, it's like you say uncas. It's a gift and a curse.

[C]

Yep. And I just, you know, hey, you sit back and you reflect and you're like, okay, it didn't work out here, maybe somebody gives me an opportunity, it works out somewhere else. You don't know. This is the first time that Shiloh has been told he's not good enough. I mean, he's been a Phenomenal player, obviously. He got his first start with the University of South Carolina. He got a D1 scholarship. His father gets the job at Jackson State. He goes and joins his, his, his father and his, his brother at Jackson. And then when his dad gets the head coaching job at cu, he follows, you know, the two sons follow their dad there. This is the very first time. And it's, it's really hard because think about it, Ocho, he's 25. I think he's 24. 25, yeah. And for the first time in 24, 25 years, somebody has told you you're not good enough. Now, it's one thing if, you know, you get cut from your high school team, you get cut from your junior varsity team or something like that. He's 25. But think about it. Think about this, ladies and gentlemen. I mean, for the first time in your life, you're in your mid-20s before somebody ever tells, someone ever utters to you, you're not good enough. Forget it. Be a sport. Maybe it's a job, maybe it's something. But to be told you're not good enough because your whole life you've dreamed about being an NFL player or your whole, like your dream job, whatever the case that may be, you've dreamed about holding this dream job, and then all of a sudden they're like, you're not good enough. Per Yahoo Sports, we're told that Buccaneers enjoyed having Shiloh in the building, viewing the son of Deion Sanders as a good kid who's at all times respectful to everyone. Shiloh could, in theory, sign with the Bucks practice squad after clearing waivers. The bigger question is whether he's good enough to, to compete and play at an NFL level. That's always the case. That's what you weigh, Ocho, because if you bring somebody back on the practice squad, you're saying, with a year under our belt, a year under his belt in our system developing, we think he can develop into a player that could play for us.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Get offense, defense, and maybe he's just a backup. Maybe, hey, they pay backups just in case people didn't know they do pay backups in the NFL. And you know, he can be a special, a special teams player. Punt, punt return, kickoff, kickoff return, maybe. Whatever the case may be. Now, that's what the Bucs organization, that's what they have to wait. Todd Bowles and that staff. I forget the general manager. I just read, reading something the other day about the general manager, because he was talking about, what's the linebacker they Let go. He was lsu. They ended up letting him go. And he goes to Philly now. He's found a home. I think he's at the Texans, maybe the Raiders or whatever the case may be. But I just saw it. I just saw his name. That's what you have to. That's. That's what you're up against. You got 16 spots. So that's a lot of people that you can bring in. All those 16 players. Ocho. Basically, we're saying that we believe with a. Another year in our systems, offense or defense, we, we think down the line, he just need a little bit more time to develop. We think this kid might turn into a pretty good player for us.

[A]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[C]

Let's. Let's take another look at him. Let's. Let's get a, let's get a bird's eye view. Let's stay with, let's stay with him for a year and let's see what kind of player he turns into. So hopefully that's something. If he doesn't get claimed off waivers, hopefully he gets an opportunity. Either it's the bucks or someone gives him an opportunity because maybe he just needs another year to develop into an NFL player. Maybe that's the case. Maybe it isn't everybody. Everybody. That particular dream. Everybody doesn't get to realize it. Ocho.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because. But you know what? My brother had a very interesting take on a dream. He said, you know what a dream is, Ocho? A dream that comes true. He says, a gift to yourself. A dream is a gift to yourself. You. I had very similar dreams. I need to play in the NFL.

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Got to.

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There are no other options. I didn't have a plan B. I got my degree, but my plan A, B, C all the way through Z was go play in the NFL. And my determining factor was to get my family out of the situation. Now my brother gave us a head start, but I wasn't. That wasn't good enough for me. He did it. I, I never thought there's. There was nothing that my brother ever did that I didn't think I could do. Not one thing. He like, I like. He went to college. Man, I know I can go to college. Even though I wasn't the student that he was. I didn't. He applied himself. I never applied myself. I was, you know, hey, I got this God given ability. I'm extremely talented. That'll get me by. It's an amazing. I think it's amazing when I see kids that come from lineage like a time like a Clay Matthews Senior like a Bruce Matthews son. Peyton Manning when your, your father has something and you still have a burning desire to get it for yourself, that's very impressive to me coming from our situations. Ocho, it's easy to be motivated.

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Oh yeah, yeah.

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Being hungry, being hot, being cold, it's easy. Being rained on, it's easy to develop motivation. But what happens when you have none of those extenuating circumstances?

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Yeah, yeah. You got to want it. You got to want it. You got to be self motivated too. And you got to understand when you, when you have fathers that play in the NFL, you that were very, very good, not just, you know, your regular average players, then also as a child having to live up to that hype, having to look the comparison of your father, you not being as good as your father just yet, maybe, but sometime the pressures of having to live up to in the shadow of a father that was extremely good at his craft can also, it can be demoralizing at times.

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Yes.

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Not focusing, locked in. I mean a great example of one of the players who was able to do it to Terrell, Owen's son, you know, I'm sure he's had to deal with all the, all the outside noise but having a father like to, that's going to make sure you're prepared for all the nonsense that comes with. Don't worry about trying to be me, just be you. Just be best. Tariq Owens that you can be. Hell, this past weekend what do you do? Scored tribute to Pops. You know I'm about dog. That that has to be one of the greatest feelings in the. To have a son to overcome that or a daughter. Whatever respective craft it is that they do or choose to be in, that has to be a dope, dope feeling.

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Of course. I think the thing is Ocho, the biggest thing is are you living in your parents shadow or are you embracing it?

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That's a good one. That's a good one. I would never force my child to do anything they don't want to do. Uncle. No, I would never force my child to do anything. Listen, I would love, I would love it. If you want to play football, so be it. But there's nothing that will ever force.

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You to do you know why? Force you to do you know why? Because playing football was your dream. You don't know if that's their dream. See, a lot of time when people force their kid to do something, they're living vicariously through the child. Now I'm not saying in all situations because I think everybody Wants their child to be successful at his or her chosen path.

[A]

Right?

[C]

But a lot of times we see the behavior and kids, people, kids thinking about now, oh, my son going to the NFL. My son gonna be a major league baseball player. My son gonna be a basketball player. Let the kid. Let a kid be a kid.

[A]

Right?

[C]

You're not supposed to look at your child as a paycheck. You're not supposed to look at your child as the way out.

[A]

That's a good one. That's a good one. Or you're not supposed to live vicariously through your child because you weren't able to achieve the dreams that you.

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You couldn't do it. So now you're gonna put that, hey, hopefully the child embraces and wants to be that whatever he or she chooses. And then you nudge them along in that direction. Don't, hey, this is what you want to do. And my son, very early on, he said, dad, that ain't this. This ain't me. This ain't what I want.

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Right? I got a question. Yes, a question for you. Now that we're talking about that, that's. It's a great topic to talk about. When you think about fathers like Joe Jackson, fathers like Tiger Woods, Pops.

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Yes.

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Serena. Serena and Venus, Dad. Beyonce, Father.

[C]

Yes.

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Fathers that actually understood early on, this is what you guys need to do to be able to reach success.

[C]

You talk about prodigies, though. You talk about, you talk about, you talk about, you talk about what.

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But you got to understand, as fathers, you never know that these prodigies are going to be what they turned out to be. You think dad understood that she would be one of the greatest of all time. I mean, she in the choir. You young Joe Jackson, you have talent. You have. You have sons that are talented. You have to put them through the work to actually get to that pinnacle. And that you envision. Is that not almost like the same thing?

[C]

They.

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They seeing something that they weren't able to accomplish, and they feel that their. Their child or kids should be able to be able to live up their dream.

[C]

But if you go back and think about it, go back and listen to the parent. The kid was excited to get up the next day to go do it again.

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Okay.

[C]

They never had to force the child to go do it right. They never like, come on, Tiger, you got to get up. Tiger was four or five years old. He already had his bag. He was ready to go. Yeah. Beyonce. They never had to drag Beyonce into rehearsals or say, you need to practice. She was raring to Go, Mike. He's with the Jackson 5. You say, hey, we got a group. Nice little group. Hey. And I'm sure. But. And you know, a lot of times, you know, it's hard. Tiger had a very strained relationship with his father because of the things that transpired in the household with his mom. We know Mike had a very troubled relationship with his father. He ended up firing his dad soon as he left the group. I think in 79, fired his dad. All of them ended up finding their dad as their manager.

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Right.

[C]

So we understand. But as a child, you don't understand that, Ocho. You don't. You don't understand that he, your parent, mom or dad is trying to push you in a direction because they see something in you that you don't see yourself. Yeah, but. But the child has to want it because if he, he or she begrudgingly do it.

[A]

Yeah. Listen, when they get old enough, when they get old enough to make their own decisions, all the work that you put in it don't go to waste because the child is going to turn. Now, you know what? The same with.

[C]

That ain't what I want. Because we've seen. We've seen them. Man, I just. Man, I ain't even want to play no more football. I ain't even want to play no more basketball. And that's. And here's the thing. I saw somebody and he said. He said two things. Motivation and discipline. When you're not motivated, are you disciplined enough to go do what you need to do?

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Yeah.

[C]

Motivation. Oh, yeah. Ojo we. Oh, I'm motivated. Oh, boy, boy, boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's certain levels when the motivation is not there because you're not going to be motivated every single day, every single time. But will you be disciplined, understanding and realizing what it takes to get to where you ultimately wants to go?

[A]

Two more examples.

[C]

What's that ball?

[A]

And what he did with the ball.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And Aman Ross, St. Brown's father as well. Hey, Magic. Great creed.

[C]

Magic. Yeah. But he said he'd say, hey, the boys a, they wanted to be at the gym.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

And it's easy. When someone is. Is motivated and they're disciplined, that's the ease. That's the easiest person. Because you look at the greats. Michael Jordan is extremely talented, but look at the motivation. Look at the discipline that he had. Look at LeBron. Look at a Kobe. You look at the greats of the greats.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Not only are they extremely talented, they're extremely driven individuals. I'm talking about obsessed yeah, yeah. Serena was obsessed. That's when you get when 20, 30, 40 years from now when we talk about some of the best female tennis player, that's why she's always going to be mentioned, because she was obsessed with it. Yes. She's ultimately talented to be able to, for her to be able to move around the court like she could with that, with that powerful forehand. Yeah, Federer, he's like, he's on clouds. Like he's, he's, he's valet, he's barista cop with a bat, with a racket. But we wish the best, we wish the best for all these guys. But some of these, sadly, is going to come to an end. Some of these guys are not going to get, what do we call it, Ocho practice squad opportunities. Some of these guys, it's over. It's the end of the road.

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