BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 3 Part 2: Jaxson Dart Ready to Start?! + Packers DL Rashan Gary joins the show

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL Preseason Week 3 Part 2: Jaxson Dart Ready to Start?! + Packers DL Rashan Gary Joins the Show

Date: August 27, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe (with Chad "Ocho" Ochocinco and others)
Guest: Rashan Gary (Green Bay Packers DL)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay dives into the highlights and storylines from NFL Preseason Week 3, focusing on emerging talents, roster moves, and candid locker room realities. Special attention is given to Giants rookie QB Jaxson Dart’s breakout and the challenges ahead, the complexities of injury news and player cuts, and an in-depth interview with Packers star Rashan Gary on expectations, leadership, and the grind of NFL life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The (Dys)Function of NFL Injury News and Leaks

[02:26–10:56]

• Patriots Injury Update: Discussion on Jaylen Polk’s season-ending shoulder injury and coach Mike Vrabel’s curt reaction:

  “No.” – Mike Vrabel on confirming the injury (02:45)

• Sources and Media: Dialogue about how information gets out – not media fabrication but leaks from inside (“rats”), including owners, coaches, agents.
  • “That's how Adam Schefter stays in business. That's how shams stay in business.” – Host (03:19)
• NFL Shield’s Power: Ocho and co-hosts emphasize the overarching control and branding of the league.

  “The shield in the NFL is one that will remind people in any way, shape, form or fashion, nothing will be bigger than our program. Absolutely nothing.” – Ocho (05:06)

• Player Leverage, Contracts, and Cuts: Details on the financial realities for players with season-ending injuries, settlements, and lack of guaranteed money compared to NBA buyouts.

  “Football – a gladiator sport, man. Every play could be damn near career-ending play.” – Host (10:56)

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2. Lighthearted Segment: Hoops, Celebrity Games, and “Double Singles”

[10:59–17:46]

• Basketball Banter: Ocho and hosts joke about celebrity basketball game performances, referencing “double singles” and role models on defense like Bruce Bowen, Gary Payton.
• Athletic Humility: Ocho admits he’s new to basketball compared to soccer, highlighting how skill levels of NBA & ex-NBA pros surpassed his expectations.

  “You know if it was a soccer game I would’ve had a hundred goals...I don’t play basketball.” – Ocho (17:14)

• Cultural Note: Camaraderie and trash talk reflect the humor and banter of Club Shay Shay – keeping the locker room feel central.

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3. Jaxson Dart's Preseason Breakout — Ready to Start?

[19:51–26:25]

• Jaxson Dart’s Statline: 32/47, 372 yds, 4 TD, 0 INT across the preseason.
  • “He’s going to be starting sooner than later... Look at the way he moves in the pocket. You see the throws he’s making? He’s nice.” – Host (20:12)
• Key Insights:
  • Sharpe praises Dart’s poise, reads, and ability to push the ball downfield:

    “His command of the offense...his ability to push the ball...I like guys that push the ball down the field.” – Host (20:59)

  • Ocho tempers expectations:

    “I want to be very cautious now. You gotta understand who he was going against. Now, when the regular season starts, it’s a different ballgame out there.” (23:30)

  • “When the regular season starts, all that vanilla is gone. You go to Baskin Robbins, it ain’t flavors, it’s coverages you gonna get. It ain’t 31 flavors, it's 31 coverages!” – Host (24:04)
• Quarterback Room Depth: Debate on whether the Giants will carry four QBs, with salary considerations at play for Jameis Winston, DeVito, and others.
  • “Who’s the odd man out then?” – Ocho (28:38)

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4. The Harsh Reality: Preseason Cuts, Dreams Deferred

[29:52–34:37]

• NFL Dreams Ended: Sharpe provides emotionally resonant commentary on preseason cutdown day:

  “This is probably the first time...someone has told these young men, ‘You’re not good enough.’” – Host (31:34)

• Personal Recollections: Ocho recalls seeing the staffer ready to collect playbooks:

  “I would see Lippy standing there right at the door, and just thinking to myself...so he collecting the playbook and letting them know to go up and see the coach...” – Ocho (32:01)

• Player Perspective: Both hosts stress how important it is for fans to see the difficult side, not just the highlights and touchdowns.
  • “There’s another side to this, that some young men, their dreams, this dream is not going to come true. And you have to reshift, refocus.” – Host (32:49)

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5. In-Depth Interview: Rashan Gary (Green Bay Packers DL)

[37:42–56:12]

A. Chip on His Shoulder After Top 100 NFL Ranking

[37:42–38:25]

• Dropped from #50 to #80 despite a Pro Bowl year.

  “Y’all gonna see in two weeks...got a great home opener against the Lions...I just want my work to show.” – Rashan Gary (38:09)

B. Health, Leadership, and Team Focus

[38:26–40:31]

• Gary says it’s the healthiest camp of his career and praises the “1/11th” mindset under Coach LaFleur and Coach Hafley.

  “Everybody gotta do their 1/11. It’s been crazy watching everybody fly to the ball...” – Rashan Gary (40:10)

C. Keys to the Lions Matchup and 2025 Outlook

[41:16–42:25]

• On preparation for the Lions and defending their offense:

  “Being on the same page, speaking the same language...when it comes to that game, we gotta be locked in.” – Rashan Gary (41:16)

D. Personal and Leadership Growth

[42:42–44:03]

• Gary’s leadership: “I’m really a lead by example...but also, you can’t talk to everybody the same way...gotta understand everybody’s background...” (42:42)
• On Green Bay lifestyle:

  “You know, you play football, man, and focus...it’s chill, calm. Green Bay, you know, it’s slept on.” (43:53)

E. Career Reflection and Regret

[45:20–46:55]

• No single regretful play sticks out; focus is on maximizing career:

  “I’m trying to stay in the moment and, you know, enjoy the ride.” (45:42)

F. Learning from the Greats

[47:26–47:59]

• On film study:

  “I like going throwbacks...Julius Peppers...Tamba Hali...Justin Houston...nowadays, you throw on Miles Garrett, T.J. Watt.” – Rashan Gary (47:26)

G. Pass Rush Philosophy and Field Study

[48:56–52:31]

• Approaching rushes like chess, setting up O-linemen:

  “You really got about four moves in the toolbox...at the end of the day, it’s really about reacting to what the offensive lineman wants you to do.” (48:56)

• Emphasis on exploiting opponent tells and communication, especially at home with crowd noise.

H. Entrepreneurship and Life After Football

[52:33–53:26]

• Gary discusses founding his own agency before the 2019 draft:

  “Just trying to build it, become a powerhouse...leave a legacy for my kids. Kids. And hopefully they kids.” (52:42)

I. NFC North Competition & Packers Keys to Success

[53:30–54:42]

• Sharpe details the competitiveness of the division; Gary stresses sticking to Packers football.

J. Team Culture: “Iron Sharpens Iron”

[54:42–55:39]

• Open sharing between O/D linemen in practice to sharpen each other:

  “Me withholding information for season, that’s not going to better the team. So I’d rather make it hard on me now...” – Rashan Gary (55:39)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On NFL’s Power:

  "Nothing will be bigger than our program. Absolutely nothing." – Ocho (05:06)

• On Preseason Cutdowns:

  "This is probably the first time...someone has told these young men, ‘You’re not good enough.’" – Shannon Sharpe (31:34)

• On Dart’s Readiness:

  “He’s going to be starting sooner than later...he’s nice.” – Host (20:12)

• On Pass Rush Setups:

  “You really got about four moves in the toolbox...it’s really about reacting to what the O-lineman wants you to do.” – Rashan Gary (48:56)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• NFL Injury/Leaks & League Culture: [02:26–10:56]
• Celebrity Game/Basketball Banter: [10:59–17:46]
• Jaxson Dart Discussion: [19:51–26:25]
• Preseason Cut Realities: [29:52–34:37]
• Rashan Gary Interview Start: [37:42]
  • NFL Top 100 Response: [37:42–38:25]
  • Training Camp/Team Vibe: [38:26–40:31]
  • Facing the Lions & Defensive Focus: [41:16–42:25]
  • Leadership Growth: [42:42–44:03]
  • Green Bay Life: [43:53–44:03]
  • Career Reflection: [45:20–46:55]
  • Studying the Legends: [47:26–47:59]
  • Pass Rush Strategy: [48:56–52:31]
  • Player Agency/Future: [52:33–53:26]
  • NFC North: [53:30–54:42]
  • Sharpening teammates: [54:42–55:39]

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Tone & Energy

The episode blends sharp football analysis, authentic banter, and honest reflections on personal and professional journeys. Club Shay Shay embraces a locker-room vibe – candid, humorous, and at times poignant, while spotlighting the human side and high stakes of NFL life.

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Summary

This Club Shay Shay episode delivers an engaging mix of preseason storylines, player insights, and the sometimes-brutal business of NFL life. Rising stars like Jaxson Dart are put under the microscope, while veterans like Rashan Gary offer perspective on perseverance and leadership. The blend of wisdom, honesty, and playful banter makes it essential listening for fans seeking both entertainment and an inside look at football’s real grind.

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Patriots head coach Mike Va was asked about comment on Jaylen Po will require season season injury shoulder surgery. Let's listen to what Babel Brav response was today that Jaylen Pope will have.

[C]

Have to have season ending shoulder surgery.

[B]

Can you add anything to that? No.

[E]

I don't know other than I'd.

[B]

Like to find out where some of these come from.

[C]

You know, some of these rats around here. So we'll figure that out.

[B]

You see. Hey now we see everybody who said that? Who said that they don't just be making this stuff up. I know y' all be trying to name your source. Name your source. Name your source, Jordan. Nah, they don't make that up.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Owners, head coaches, general managers, player personnel, position coaches, players. That's how Adam Shefter stay in business. That's how shams stay in business. The agents, that's how they get that information. Y' all get mad, y'. All. Y' all get mad. Y' all don't get mad at the people for telling them. Y' all get mad at Shefter and Sean for reporting it.

[C]

Oh, the first thing they always say, especially the fans, state your source. Well, who said it? Well done. If they stated they source, they would never be able to get information.

[B]

You're done. So just go ahead and turn your. Just go ahead and turn your pen and say, hey, hey, espn, I'm done. I'm no longer in business of doing that. Yeah, you heard what he said. So now chat. Ain't nothing wrong with it. Now you heard what he's saying. He would like to know who the rat is. So somebody told a reporter because the reporter stood up there point blank and asking about season ending shoulder surgery that.

[C]

He should know about. The reporter should know about that.

[B]

The mere fact they'd be reporting. Now, I'm not saying that somebody. But like when, When Sheft and them becoming nine times out of ten, Ocho. Oh, they got that from somewhere. Yeah, they got that from somewhere. A close source. Yes. People around the league. No, people in the league. Ain't no round. No league. They ain't around it. They in it. Somebody talking sources in the NFL, the league office. That's. That's just the way it works.

[C]

Hey, you know, you know what's funny too? I was reading comments about some of the stuff we talked about last night with the Shador. I'm not, not going back. I'm not going back on the Shador thing right now. I'm just saying in general and some of the comments throughout today of people on my timeline reacting to what we're saying and what Ed said, what Eric Davidson said, and people like, oh, that's impossible. Why would the NFL care? I mean, but this, I mean, they come up with all these different solutions and it goes back to me and people underestimating how powerful the NFL is in general. How they just see it as just a football game and how they don't understand that the shield is one that remind people, Let me say this again slowly. The shield in the NFL is one that will Remind people in any way, shape, form or fashion, nothing will be bigger than our program. Absolutely nothing will be bigger than our program. People that they're so blind to it and don't understand the power that those individuals as a whole possess. It's ridiculous. Even when I was playing. Unc. Let me, let me. Hey, Joe. Let me tell you something, Joe.

[B]

Unc.

[C]

Even when I was playing, I understood the power that be of the shield. So I understood. I know I can play a little.

[B]

Bit, but not too much, Joe.

[C]

I knew I could play around a little bit, chat y' all stay with me. But I understood what lines not to cross. Unc. I understood the game very early. I understood my time in the NFL. It won't be that long. I have a small window of opportunity to have some fun, to make some money. But there's certain lines that cannot cross. Because at some point in the long run, I'm gonna have to cross that bridge again.

[B]

Color in between the lines, Ocho. Color in between the lines.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Hey, Joe, Joe. Listen, Joe, let me tell you something how well I'm at it playing the game, huh? And Joe, I can say the chat. Stay with me real quick. Some of the things I'm got. Some of the things I have going on. Got going on right now, all these goddamn jobs and all these goddamn opportunities. There are certain buttons that are being.

[E]

Pushed behind closed doors that you can't see.

[C]

That's allowance, Joe. Come on, Joe.

[B]

Hey.

[C]

There's certain buttons being pushed behind closed doors, man. Come on, man.

[B]

I feel y' all understand. Hey, I understand. I understand, man. Listen, when. Hey, it's, it's. I understand about the buttons being pushed behind closed doors. There's people working for you and you don't even know it.

[C]

Well, you don't, don't. Don't even know.

[B]

You don't burn no bridges. Everybody talking about do this and do that and not have did this and not have did that. Yeah, okay. Like you came. You came with your dignity. You leave all that yelling and screaming. Hey, well, nobody was harmed in the making of that movie. But at the end of the day, there's been speculation that Polk was going to be cut or trade candidate. With all 32 teams needing a set 53 man roster by 4 Eastern on August 26th. Who would benefit from leaking injury of a player more than the player himself who may not want to be leave or traded? Well, you can't trade a player if he's cut. I mean, if he's injured, you have to offer an injury settlement. So he's straight. So they can't, they can't trade him. No, you can't cut injury pay. You have to offer him an injury settlement. Right. I know you can't do it in basketball. I ain't know. I ain't know how football works.

[C]

But, but we've seen players get injured. I could have swore I saw, saw stuff where players have gotten injured. They. They get cut right away. And especially in training camp.

[B]

I could have sworn they get a settlement.

[C]

Oh, okay. Okay. Well, at least the reports could say a 7 was. Was the receiver.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. You get an injury settlement.

[C]

Hey, I have a question. Is there a certain, Is there a certain amount, A set amount for, for.

[B]

I guess however long it's gonna. I mean that's something you the agent would be. We'd work out probably the length of time if it's gone for the season. You're like, right. No, I want my money.

[C]

Wait, what? Maybe what, a million?

[B]

It all depends. I think he's like a second year player, right? He's a second year player. So I mean, what's his 800,000? A million dollars? They probably eat that Ocho. Yeah, right.

[C]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[B]

It's when you get into the situation like a Christian Wilkins, you getting guys making 13, 15, 20. Now it becomes a problem or. Joey, in basketball, Joe, they do what they call a buyout. Okay. I give you 85%. I give you 90% of your money. Right, right. They don't, they don't do that in football. Hell no. Hold on. They cut you. They say you're about your weight.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

They get you up out of there. Unless you got like, Russ. The Broncos cut Russ. They say, okay. They gave Russ all his money, remember? Because ultra Steelers only fuck normal. Yeah, yeah. Because. But no, not a lot of people have like that big guaranteed money. Yeah, if you got guaranteed money, you don't care. Russ had 38. What, 30 something. 35, 36 million coming from the Broncos. So it wasn't nothing to go to take the 2 million from the Steelers. I got 40 million. I don't care how high is divot out. I got it coming. But a lot of guys ain't got that guaranteed money. So that's just, you know, football. A gladiator sport, man. Yeah, it's, you know, every play could be damn near career ending play. Absolutely.

[C]

Hey, that's. Hey, Joe. That's why you got to be built like this out there.

[B]

I see you been in the gym. Hey, hey, hey, let me pick a bone with him. Real quick. Go ahead, man. Ojo, I watched that celebrity game and. Hold on. I expected. I didn't expect for you to score 30, but I expect at least a double double 10.10 rebound.

[C]

Hey, hey, Joe. Hey, listen to me, Joe. Listen to me, Joe, I really wasn't supposed to say this. I wasn't supposed to say this out loud, but I'm gonna say it anyway. Hey, hesi guy, right?

[B]

I seen it.

[C]

Hezzy. Guy had. He had a bet. They stay with me, Stay with me. Real quick, Joe. He had a bit right with Gilly. Gilly was pulled to win mvp. Again, I say heavy. Well, I'm gonna just shoot. I'm gonna just give you the ball. You just go to work and do what you need to do.

[B]

Hey, listen, I seen. He was ultra aggressive. I seen that. But. But no, no.

[C]

Hey, did you see the first. Hey, Joe, soon as he got the.

[B]

Ball, what he did, he had it on his mind and he had to get it off his chest. Listen, he didn't make every shot I expect for you. You probably most athletic dude out there. I was expecting you to get the rebounds.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I probably am.

[B]

But, Joe, that's what he. He got what he known for. He known for a double single. Nah, nah.

[C]

Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hey, Joe, Joe, I. I did. I did what I was supposed to do to make sure my team got my win. I was at that rebound alpha. Hey, I facilitated like magic.

[B]

Ocho, you. Hey, Ocho, what's up? You a Johnson, man.

[E]

You ain't.

[B]

Hey, you a Johnson? Why? You hear me? Yeah, you supposed to go out there and show up and show out. All right.

[C]

Hey, yo, Joe, next year they invite.

[B]

You back, Ojo, they did not invite you back. Oh, no.

[C]

Oh, they ready. They definitely bringing me back. Hey, listen, you ain't never seen no defense like that. I was out there. Hey, I was like Pat Beverly.

[B]

I wish I could have been out there, but anyway, I don't know.

[E]

Ocho.

[B]

Joe said you had a double single. I heard a triple double. I ain't never heard of no double single.

[C]

Hey, hey, hey, hold on, hold on. Hey, Eric. Hey, I did what I was supposed to do. I. I told you, I was like Rodman out there.

[B]

The comedian. Rodman. No, right.

[C]

Hey, hey, what's. Dude, that played for the spurs, that was really good at defense. Bruce Bourne, right?

[B]

Yeah, you is. Alvin Robertson was before him. Alvin Robertson? He don't know nothing about him. Was he good? He was an outstanding. He got a quadruple double. He Got a. Yeah, he was good. He's defensive player. Hell, yeah, he was good.

[C]

Hold on, hold on. He was like Gary Payton, defense like.

[B]

That kind of good, right? Yeah, yeah, it was good.

[C]

All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, Joe. I know, Joe. I let you down, Joe. I got you, though. I. Joe, I did. Listen, just one game.

[B]

Oh, you coming back next year?

[C]

I'm coming back every year.

[B]

Okay. Ocho, y' all see the two teams in the championship game, right? Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Ub Fomo made a joke with a 30 burger in the back pocket. Stop playing with me. Come on, now.

[C]

Hey, Joe, what's up? Hey, I asked. I asked uncle question, too, right? You know, Joe, I don't. Let me, Let me. Let me chat. Y' all stay with me real quick. Chat. I am new to basketball, Joe. Watching the game, understanding the game, understanding the plays, and just the screens and just all that three level score, everything, Joe. I am soccer, football, tennis, boxing until I can see it. Talk about that for hours. So basketball, being new to me in general, so being up close, my first game, Joe, in a long time was going to see last year, maybe the year before last, watching the Philly game, sitting courtside and watching embiId go for seven. I don't know. Was that last.

[B]

You had that game?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I was with Doug, so I went to that game, and before that, I went to a Heat game maybe once every three years. So now I'm into. I'm into basketball. I ain't got no choice. I got to talk it. I got to watch it. Now I'm really getting into it. So I look at them boys play in the three on three, and I'm like. I came on the show that night with Uncle. I'm like, well, God damn, Unc, how the hell Lance Stevenson ain't playing? How the hell Michael B. He's not in the league? And so it's because it's new to me and me not understanding age.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That what I'm watching. Those dudes are really good, but the people that's playing in the NBA right now are that much better.

[B]

And you got. And, and. And. And when you're in the league, there's a. There's a way in which you behave Absolutely right. It's some.

[C]

Okay, okay.

[B]

So. So basically.

[C]

Hey, Joe, the boy was good.

[B]

Nah, they can play, Ocho. They can play. They can play. Oh, man. Yeah. I mean, Lance Stevenson played like a decade. He played like 10, 11 years. Yeah, he could. Yeah.

[C]

Hey, that nigga Lance was taking people off the dribble, man, Beasley, man. Man, y', all, you. You done seen them boys play. This is my first time seeing them up close. It's one thing, you know, tv. TV don't do no justice.

[B]

You don't.

[C]

Justin, how you six, nine? Moving like that, man.

[B]

What are we doing now, boys? Got some game, man, you know what? And it wouldn't. It wouldn't have been so bad, ojo, if you wouldn't have been on here holland about you was gonna score 30 points. I think that's where chat. If I ain't mistaken. I think that's what Chad was like, man. What oo talking about? He gonna score 30. So we was looking. We was looking for a FLIR. You were looking for you to come out. I was looking. I was hoping for two points. I said if he just get. I just wanted him on the score. I. I just wore him in the book. That's all I was hoping for, Joe.

[C]

But, Joe, this. This what you. This what you have to understand when it come to me, Joe, you know me. And you know what I enjoy, you know what I love, you know what I'm passionate about. And you know what? You know what I play consistently away from the game of football. You know, if it was a soccer game, I would have had a 100 goals.

[B]

If it was 10, you ain't scoring. You ain't scoring no goals.

[C]

Come on, Joe, don't do that. Don't do that. That's the one thing I can actually do better than goddamn basketball, Joe. I don't play basketball. That's why I just beat that.

[B]

That's why they beat the tail. Big Cap on nightcap.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

When it come to basketball, that's not just basketball.

[B]

Not just basketball, just Big Cap. Nah, I. This is ass.

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[B]

Giants oh Joe. Jump right into it. The Giants beat the Patriots. Jackson Dart shine in his rookie preseason. His numbers across all three weeks. He was 32 of 47, 372 yards, four total touchdowns, zero interceptions. Ocho, I told you he's going to be starting sooner than he's going to learn one thing.

[C]

What is that?

[B]

Get your ass down them guys. You try. Hey, hey, hey. They coming for them guys heavy and they fast.

[C]

He gonna learn fast. He gonna learn very fast. But you have to understand, you say you're gonna start sooner, rather sooner than later. And I do believe that's to say if Russell Wilson doesn't play well. But I think Russell Wilson is going to be in great command of that offense, especially with the weapons he has around him. Listen, you put that ball in uno's hands and everything gonna be fine. Put that ball in one's hands, everything ain't gonna be fine. I don't, I don't think there's much pressure on, on Russell Wilson. And if, if they're gonna, if they're gonna give him the job. I think Russell Wilson makes it through this season and Jackson Dart starts next year. You don't think so?

[B]

No, not the way this rookie played this preseason. And oo you see the way he move in the pocket? You see the throws that he's making? He nice, he n. And one thing you And I go, do we go give credit where it's due? Now if you play bad, we're gonna say you play bad. But if, hey, but if you play good, we're gonna say, hey man, get your popcorn. Watch this kid. I mean his command of the offense, he's, I mean the, his ability to push the ball down the field, his ability, he's scrambling and then all of a sudden he's like, oh, I forgot about my black back. Bam, bam. Throws it to the back. I said, you should you show, boy. Rookie. Rookies don't normally play like that. He plays with a lot of poise. He played a big time arm. He'll throw, push the ball. I like guys that push the ball down the field. All that short fishing, you ain't gonna catch no big fish around the edge. The big fish are id.

[C]

Yeah, most of the time, especially for the rookies, to get themselves in rhythm. Get themselves in rhythm. They'll start short just to get that confidence going as opposed to taking a deep shot. I remember think, what was it maybe last week? It might have been last week it was third. It was third and shorter. Maybe, maybe they went for it on fourth down and he threw the goddamn deep ball instead of throwing it short for a touchdown.

[B]

Yeah. And who, guess what? OO who else knows that you're a rookie, that you're probably not going to push that ball downfield early and you're going to stay around the shore D coordinators.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, you're right.

[B]

And they telling their corner, they telling the crowd.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

They thinking like you thinking. Yeah, coach. First of all, coach ain't gonna call anything. He don't want to get too exotic. He want to let him warm up, we're going to let him throw a smoke, let him throw an aisle, let him throw a slant. Sit. Hey, Edge, they go get that ball. But no, I, I, I love, I love what, I love what I've seen, I don't want to get. But I think Brian Dabal and that staff is very pleased with the production that Jackson Dart displayed in the preseason. How can you not. Four total touchdowns, no picks, basically clean. Look, like you said, Ocho, I can teach you that. Son, get your ass down. Get down or get out of bounds. You got two choices. You can get down or you can get your ass out of bounds.

[C]

One or the other.

[B]

Or we gonna come put your ass on the car and you gonna go into 10. Cause you see what happened. What happened, Ocho, they came and got him and they put his, took his ass to the 10.

[C]

But listen, based on his play this preseason. Bengals. I'm talking about Bengals. I'm thinking about my damn Bengals. Giants fan, Giants organization. His teammates, they have to be very pleased, very suitable they saw from Jackson Dart. But also. Well, I want to be very cautious now. Very cautious now. This is. You got to understand who he was going against. Now, when the regular season starts, it's a different ball game out there, huh? Hey, it's not gonna be sweet. Not gonna be goddamn.

[B]

Hey.

[C]

It's not gonna be.

[B]

They go get ain't no vanilla. They gonna give you a lot. Hey, hey. Oh, sure, they're gonna give you a lot of swirls. Hey, you go to Baskin Robbins, it ain't flavor. This coverages you gonna get. It ain't 31 flavors. It's 31 coverage.

[C]

Different ball game. It's a different ball game.

[B]

It is. It is. It? Absolutely. The intensity picks up, the urgency picks up. The coaches, all that. All that. Oh, hey, the coaches, they explaining things to you in a nice, calm tone that is out the window. Hey, and as what. What of the coaches told me my rookie year, you know, we still cut. Just because it's the season, that don't mean you can't get cut sometimes, you know? Sometimes. Guys, relax, Ocho. Ooh, man. Made it out of training camp. They're cut week one, all the way. Hey. All the way through week 17, 18 even. Hey, I've seen guys get cut at the post.

[C]

It could be your day. Damn. In the postseason.

[B]

Well, look here, man. We are. Hey, boy, look here. They don't play, Ocho. Look, Mike. No, you know what it might have been like. It might not have been the post seat, you know, practice squad guy or something like that, but obviously. But. But I'm talking about big guys late in the season.

[C]

Oh, man, that's. That's tough.

[B]

Mike Shanahan didn't play. It wasn't no loafing. It wasn't no walking. When he said, hey, I don't know how y' all did it, Ocho, but when we changed drills. Oh, you had to get a move on.

[C]

Got a little pepper. Gotta have a little pep in your step, huh?

[B]

Nobody walks but the mailman. That's why he doesn't make what you make. You run to where you gotta go.

[C]

I like that.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I like that. Okay.

[B]

All right. Okay. Some people don't understand that. And that's no disrespect to the mailman. Hey, you guys do an unbelievable job. We appreciate your service. Although you don't kind of, like, with Amazon and all these other carriers, they dab that up, put y' all out of business. But this kid, Jackson Dark, I like what I'm seeing now. I'm like you. I want to see him against a real competition.

[C]

Hey, when you go, well, you gotta. You gotta make those alignments, those adjustments.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Defenses. I mean, Lyman, a stun defense. Disguising what they really want to do. And at the sn, you might think it's. You might think it's cover one, or you might think it's cover three. And all of a sudden, they go.

[E]

You go to.

[C]

Go to two. Oh, man, it's. It's.

[B]

So they go to quarter. They go to seven. They go to six. They go to six. Kick.

[C]

Hey, have. Have you.

[B]

They go to cover five. Yep. Clouding it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So, yeah, hey, them jokes be out there. Banjo in it. Banjo. But I. Hey, I was looking because, you know, I'll be. I'll be trying to like, hey. Cause that was way they. They be out there doing this right here. That means they banjo. And that means they're gonna cut. They're gonna double somebody. I'm like. It never really dawned on me that what the sick. You know, I'm just. I'm just out there, like, right, right, right. Or, you know, you see them do that, locking it. Hey, so I just got a kid, I guess, got a kick out of that. When people say, hey, man, it don't matter. It don't matter if you know what to do. The hell you say. You. You let me know y' all gonna be a couple. Let me know y' all gonna be a quarters, a single high safety, a six kick. The hell you say? Bad, please. But Tommy DeVito, Ocho. Tommy DeVito, 17 or 20, buck 93, three tubs Jackson Dark came in six or 12, 81 yards a tub. James Winston came in four, eight, mop up 47.

[C]

This might be the second team. We talk about a team carrying four quarterbacks. This might be another team that might carry four.

[B]

I don't think so. Because you know why? Because James Jameis is making 4 million. Russ is making good money. Russ is making how much money, Ash? 10? 15? See, it's not like Cleveland, because what you call only making 5 million. Kenny Pickens making what he's making. And then you got two rookies.

[C]

So. So what you saying? What you saying? Who's the odd man out then?

[B]

Oh, so he got 1 year, 10, 5, which is probably as much as Flacco and Pickett making together. And then you throw Jameson's four million a year because I think he did two years, nine million. So four and a half. So you're looking at 15 million between two quarterbacks.

[C]

So, I mean, I mean, so who. Who's.

[B]

I don't think. You think they keep. You think they keep telling. Well, obviously, you know, they're not getting rid of Jackson Dark. You think they keep Tommy DeVito or they release him and try to sign him back to the practice squad?

[C]

Probably sign him back to the practice squad. But I see them doing. I see them doing the same thing that, that the Browns are probably going to do for. For some reason. For some reason, I, I just do. And then we talk about James, Winston. You heard, you heard personnel or, or, or was that the owner that came out and said, absolutely not. He's not going nowhere. I talked about Winston.

[B]

You talking about Mary John. Mary.

[C]

Great, great locker room presence, great team guy. I knew. I knew. I knew James wasn't going nowhere. Absolutely not.

[B]

But. But 4210, you don't want to go out on the note like that. But you know, Ocho, you and I, we talked about this earlier this week. Unfortunately, a lot of kids dreams. I say kids, kids. They're old enough to be my kids. Old enough to be. They're young. Well, let me take that back. They're young enough to be our kids. Damn. Me, too. I'm pretty sure I'm older than most of their moms and dads. But with that being said, a lot of these young men dreams come to an end tonight. Some will get an opportunity to go be on a practice squad somewhere else. Some might get an opportunity to go to Canada, play in the ufl. But for a lot of emoto, the realization that this is over, something I've been doing Since I was 7, 8 years old, did it at the peewee level. Did it the JV level, high school level, college level. My dreams and aspirations did not come to fruition. That's tough because this is probably the first time, Ocho, that someone has told these young men, you're not good enough. Think about it. They've always been the best. They was their best on their Pop Warner. They was best on their flag football team, their JV football team, their high school basketball, a football team, their college. And then it's a numbers game. You're not good enough. That's the, that's the realization of Ocho. That's the realization of it. I mean, I, I'm not trying to be Chad. I'm not trying to be Dramatic, because I know what it's like to be on pins and needles. That last game, that last preseason game, and you, your name is on the board to be released. Matter of fact, my name was on the board to be released.

[C]

Let me. Let me tell you, Let me tell you what about the last preseason game. I'm talking about when we were playing the last preseason game. I remember, I would. I would be walking in, and the person who did the cutting and letting players know as they come in the building was Lippy. Lippingot. I'm.

[B]

I'm not. I'm not.

[E]

I haven't.

[C]

I don't know if he's still with the Bengals or not. And I, you know, I would always come in early after the preseason game and come in, hit the cold tub, hit the hot tub, get my body back. Get my body back rejuvenated and fresh. And I would see Lippy standing there right, right at the door and just thinking to myself, man, so he collecting the playbook and let him know to go up and see the coach before the meetings even start. I'm like, man, that's tough, man. And then hard knocks, Hard knocks. Hard knocks made it a reality and allowing people to see people actually, you know, get cut and how business and how that side of it works and it's Is. Is. Is as heartbreaking and sad that it is. It's the reality of the game.

[B]

That's reality. We got to show you both sides. You just see the plug guys making plays, scoring touchdowns, the camaraderie on the field in the meeting rooms and things like that. But there's another side to this, that somebody, some. Some young man, men, their dreams, this dream is not going to come true. And you have to reshift, refocus a lot of it. You know, you're disciplined because you have to be somewhat disciplined to play football, because you got, you know, you got study hall, you got where when you work out, you got practice, when you got to be there for the plane ride, when you got to be there for the bus ride, how you have to dress. So there's a certain level of structure in a lot of these young men lives. So, you know, some, you know, a structure is. Is not their strong suit because they do everything they can or your book against it. But most. Most of these men, they do have structure because you've kind of been in the structured environment for the better part of your life. And so it should be, you know, you a. If you go back and go into the workforce, the actual 9 to 5. You know, you gotta be to work at a certain time, you know, the task that you're asked to do, you just go get it done. But that's the, that's the unfortunate side of playing a professional sport that everybody dreams of playing. And that's the thing, you know, for every Ochocinko and a Shannon Sharpe or Sterling Sharpe or somebody that came of the less than favorable or impoverished conditions, there are a lot of people that came from those same conditions that didn't get an opportunity to play in the NFL. Ocho that got the opportunity that you and I got, and that was far as they got, was training camp.

[C]

That's tough, man.

[B]

It is.

[C]

I think it's a good thing. I think it's also a good thing for fans to be able to see the entire process, not just the finished product on Sundays, actually see what players have to go through. The sweat, the tears, the being on pins and needles, the pressure of having to go out there in the preseason knowing that, okay, I have two or three games where I have to make a name for myself. If not here, maybe somewhere else if I don't make it here. No, that's tough.

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All right. Joining us on the show now, we'll recommend, we'll welcome in Pro Bowler last year, he's a Pro bowler. He's number 80 on this year's NFL top 100. You were 50 last year, Rashawn. Despite making the Pro bowl last year, they have you down 30 spots. I want to know what is Rashan Gary going to do to get back into that top 50, get back into that top 30, maybe even get up into the top 20.

[E]

Well, y' all gonna see in two weeks. You know, we got a great home against the Lions.

[C]

Let's go.

[E]

Yeah, you know, got a great home opener, you know, against the Lions, nfc, you know, rivalry. So it's a nice way to start the season. I just want my work to show.

[C]

So. Hey, I got a quick question for you. Camp is over now, obviously. I'm sure you guys have a week to to work on some things, packers versus packers before you get into a game plan and scheme for week one. How was camp for you? How's the body holding up? How do you feel? Are you going into camp healthy? I mean.

[E]

Oh, yeah. No, this is, it was, it's, yeah, it's crazy. Cause I was just talking to, you know, my teammate Kenny about it. I'm like, you know, going into year seven, this one of the, you know, the healthiest camps that I have. So, you know, I'm feeling good, you know, from OTAs all the way through. Now I've been put in a great body of work and now it's just time to, you know, put it on display.

[C]

Yes, sir.

[B]

You guys don't play a game for another two weeks. Is coach. Is Coach lafleur going to give you guys some time, some time off? Are you back at on Monday or do. Do you get Sunday? You get Monday. You guys are back in there Tuesday. Are you going to get a little time off before you have to hit it and start getting ready for the Lions in two weeks?

[E]

Yeah, you know, we got a couple practices coming up next week, but, you know, we got the weekend off and then back to work on Sunday.

[B]

Damn. Y' all back to work on Sunday already. Damn. I figured. I figured Coach lafleur give y' all a couple of days off. Y', all. You're like, well, damn, Cole, we've been at. We had a good. A good camp. The packers, your defense. I mean, you mentioned Kenny Clark. I'm assuming you're talking about Kenny Clark now. You lost your cornerback, your all pro cornerback. You trade, you released him and he ends up going to Baltimore. How do you guys. Because you guys have shown spots where you guys are dominant. I'm talking about dominant. You attack the quarterback, you stop the run, you turn the team over, you give you your offense short fields. How do you stay consistent in doing that? Rashaun?

[E]

Yeah, just holding our standard. Everybody gotta do their 1 11. And throughout OTAs, especially, you know, being year two and you know, coach, half system, it's been crazy watching everybody fly to the ball, tack the ball, and actually being on one accord, you know, talking about first all the way to fourth down, get back on track, downs, we all on the same page, all speaking the same language. And, you know, it's been good seeing.

[C]

It for you guys, especially the Packers. Opening up with a game like this against the Lions is a. Is a good test for you guys defensively, obviously, whether it be on the ground, whether it be in the air, because you understand the dynamic and, and how special the Lions office is. Even. Even with Ben Johnson leaving, they still have all those weapons, you know, Jameer Gibbs and Montgomery, you know, the receivers on the outside, tight end. Your thought process going into it early so far, what is it that you think you guys need to do to win that game come week one? From a defensive standpoint, I already know what you guys can do on offense. Defensively, can you be able to hold them? I'm not sure where the Lions finish when it comes to scoring, but you know, they can put up points.

[E]

Yeah, absolutely. Just like I was saying, we've been doing a great job through OTAs and camp of being on the same page, speaking the same language, understanding what teams want to do to us, especially our offense in these last, last couple joint practices, really being on the same page how these offensive teams want to attack us, understand our weak points. And I'm saying when on 11, know that we understand how to protect it. So just basically being on the same page. And when it comes to, you know, that game right at 3 o', clock, we gotta be locked in, focusing on one accord, how we been and just having fun.

[C]

Okay, one more question, One more question.

[B]

Go ahead.

[C]

I know your team goals. You got team goals, obviously from a defensive perspective. Team goals offensive. And decently, obviously the main goal you want to be in San Francisco at the end, at the end of the season, first week of February. But personal goals, your personal goals yourself, that you would want to achieve. Can you share with us, you know, whatever it may be?

[E]

Yeah, I could just show you my, you know, share a little into my mindset, man. Just, just trying to be dominant, man. I've been training hard this off season, really just trying to take over. Like I said, one through fourth downs, man, that's what I'm playing for. And really just trying to show everybody, you know, how dominant I can be.

[B]

Rashaun, you're the vet now. There's no more Aaron Rodgers, there is no more Jair Alexander. You're one of the old guards now. So now how has your leadership style changed? Because guess what, you're one of the senior voices now.

[E]

Yeah, you know, it's been great, man. It's something that, you know, you always pray for, ask for and, you know, it's crazy. You know, we got rookies coming in, talking about, I used to watch you before my high school games. I'm like, man, yeah. So, you know, it's kind of weird, but I've been having, I've been having fun and Green Bay been doing a great job, especially from when I came in with the guys they had ahead of me. Being able to keep it real with me, especially a big guy to me was Mercedes Lewis. So, you know, talking to him, how to take care of my body, things like that. So when, you know, young guys come up to me asking me how to film study, what to look for, things like that, I'm able just to keep it real. Cause I had a good og, but man, it's just been fun, man. I'm really a lead by, you know, example and, you know, if I need to speak, I get there. But then also I started to learn that, you know, you can't talk to anybody the same way. You know, you gotta understand, you know, everybody background, dealing with. Yeah, you know, everybody background, you know, why everybody's in it. And I feel like, you know, this offseason, especially through OTA's camp, you know, I've been able to understand people why. So when it do get time, you know, two minute drill D, fourth quarter when we got a lock in, you know, I could hit those points.

[C]

Hey, what's it like there in Green Bay? Is there anything to do? Is it fun.

[E]

You know, you know. Yeah, play football, man, and focus, man. But man, it's chill, calm. Green Bay, you know, it's slept on, but, you know, it's a great community and as well, love.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you got Milwaukee, you got Chicago, that's a couple. That's 90 minutes away. You got Milwaukee, that's 90 minutes away. So. But it's easy to play. My brother played there for seven years, Rashawn. And then, you know, going to visit him, you can see why they had success in the 60s. Ain't nothing else to do. There was less to do then that there is now. But you can understand why the packers have success. There's not a whole lot to get into. There's not a whole lot of trouble. There's not a. Look if you. Appleton is down the way, but that's a college town. Like I mentioned, Milwaukee. But hell, Milwaukee closed down at 10:30. You ain't really trying to drive way to Chicago. You ain't really trying to drive way to Chicago to have a good time. Hey, when you're there for those months, when you come back for training camp and you're there, hey, bro, let's make the best of this situation. We can get tunnel vision. We can lock in. Let's try to go compete and win a Super Bowl.

[E]

And that's the mindset. And that's how it's always been being a Green Bay Packer.

[B]

Let me ask you this. Is there a play that you replay? Is there almost sack. If there's almost a ball that was on the ground that, damn, if I could have just got this one, it would have helped. Is there a play that you replay in your mind since you've been in Green Bay that you like? Man, if I'd have made that play, that have been a difference in the game.

[E]

To be honest with you now, off the top of my head. But you Know I played too hard to give it up, man. Like I said, I'm going on year seven. Like a lot of guys I talk to, you can't take it for granted. And right now I'm in some crucial years where I feel like I could take off and start extending the right way.

[C]

It's flying by, huh? Do you realize you and your seven already, it went by fast, didn't it?

[E]

Yeah, it's going by fast. It's going by fast. Like I said, I'm trying to stay in the moment and, you know, enjoy the ride.

[B]

Oh, yeah, it is, because you look up and you're going to be in year 10 because, you know, you're like, man, let me get five. And you say, well, let me get to 10. And then once you get to 10, you're like, let me take a year at a time. But before you know it, I mean, I woke up one morning, I'm like, damn. I mean, you're 10. And next day, you know, hey, calling Mike said, hey, this is it for me, bro. I'm done. It goes. It goes fast. And that's why I tell guys, man, enjoy it. Make sure you're training. You're eating your prep everything because you don't want to have not one iota of regret. Because regret, when you leave this game, you can't go back. And so to have that moment of regret for the rest of your life, it'll eat at you. So when you done, Rashawn, when you say, hey, Green Bay, hey, Leflore or Guna Kins or whomever you gotta call says, I'm done. Hopefully you finish your career in Green Bay. You're like. You look back like, man, I gave it everything I had. The way I trained, the way I slept, the way I practiced, the way I met do everything. I walk away with my head held, my head held high, knowing I couldn't have got anything else out of the talent that God blessed me with.

[C]

Hey, it's a good one right here too, boy. It's a good one. So I think about, obviously during my playing days and some of the players that I looked up to at the. At the same position, obviously, while we're still playing, I would. I would watch their film and study some of the things that they. That they did and still, you know, steal some of their moves. No matter whether you just be able to add to my game to improve year to year, who are some players that play the exact same position you do that you look up to and watch their film to see what they do where you can add to your toolbox as well.

[E]

Yeah. With me, it's funny, but I like going throwbacks, so, you know, I like throwing on Julius Peppers. Yeah. Julius Peppers.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Julius Peppers. I love Tom Ali when he was in the Kansas City Chiefs doing this thing. Yeah. Justin Houston, you know, those are guys that I feel like I wrote similar towards. And then nowadays, you know, you throw on, you know, Miles Garrett, you get you, you know, been in the edge of a, you know, T.J. wap, but.

[B]

I ain't gonna lie, the power guy. Yeah.

[E]

Speed apart, you know. But, you know, this year I've been doing a lot of watching myself.

[C]

Yeah, I like, I like it. That's dope.

[B]

Let me ask you this because Ocho and I was talking and how we approach the game of football, how we approach as a wide receiver. When you go into a game, obviously you're trying to get to the quarterback, but everything leads to something else. I'm showing him one thing, but that's not really what I want to do. I'm giving him this, but I really want to do that. But I'm saving it for a rainy day because I know it's going to come a third down in this fourth quarter. And I know I. Hey, I've been running up the field the whole game and I know. Hey, hey, I know I've been stabbing you the whole game. Hey, I've been posting and wiping you away the whole game. And I know you, I know you finna sit on that because that's what I've given you. I've given you no reason to prepare for anything else. Is that how you approach the rush game? Is that. Look, I'm doing what I can, but I know I gotta have this in my back pocket when I absolutely got to get this quarterback on the ground.

[E]

Yeah, shoot. You know, thinking about pass rushes and every pass rush, I talk to, man, you, you know, all the great ones, you really got about four moves in the toolbox. And at the end of the day, it's really about reacting to what the, you know, the office in lineman wants you to do. But once you get off the ball the same way and you, you know, got him thinking, oh, he about to stab him, about to stab him. Yeah, I stab you the first four or five, maybe six rushes. But you know, that third, you know, crucial down, you know, third and 10, third and eight, we gotta get off the field. I'm have to sit you down at the edge. But yeah, it's a game, it's a game. With it within the lines. And y' all both know that it.

[B]

Absolutely. It's a beautiful thing to watch the guys because, you know, I'm a little. I'm a lot older than you. I'm probably the age of your dad. But the past rushes to watch DT how he got off the edge and bent the edge. He reminds me of Von Miller. And then I see Reggie White, how he just had pure power. He just, hey, he just getting on the edge and he gonna hump you. You already know what's coming. You can sit down as much as you want to. You 330 and try to sit on it. You gonna get humped. He gonna throw a 330 pound man like he's a sack of potatoes. And then you get a guy like a Bruce Smith that's 265, 270, all out like a Miles Garrett playing on a five technique. And you like, bro, how this man bend the edge like that? How can he lean? He. He's this high off the ground. Rashad. I'm like, how, how does he do that? I'm watching you. You, you, you got a lot of power. I see the way, I see the way you built from waist down and the way you could. You can post a guy wax on, wax him off. You can also bend the edge. As you mentioned, you can convert speed to power because you can't. It's all about getting off the ball. Once I get off the ball, you at my mercy, bro. As long as I'm not lazy. Off the ball. Barbecue.

[E]

Hey, it's going to be a good night. You're absolutely right.

[B]

So let me ask you a question. A lot of guys will listen to the. The TV version. They'll get the TV version and they'll try to pick up the quarterback's cadence. Blue 17. Blue 17. Ready said. Do you do things like that? Trying to pick up the audio copy. Try to pick up the field copy?

[E]

Yeah, absolutely. Shoot. I'm in the, you know, the quarterback. I'm into the quarterback cadence. I'm also into. I'm heavy on the office and line talk. The office and line. Gonna tell you everything. Lets you know if it's a run. You know how loud they communicate, how you sitting, how they sit in eyes, body language. Yeah, I'm into it all. But especially once I hear the office alignment, you know, talking, they kind of be able to, you know, from for my reason, everything, I'm kind of able to pick it up and play faster.

[B]

Especially when you at home because it's hard for Them to hear. So they've got to communicate. And as much as he's trying to look at you, he got to look. But now they kind of hold hands a little bit, but he's still got to kind of look inside. And hey, all you need is a half a step. That's all you need. It ain't no hey, ain't no look, these guys are good. You ain't just finna just beat these guys. But that half a step that you get, that you get on the edge. And once you get them shoulders, hey, once he turn, bro, you not finna ride me up the field. I'm finna get skinny and I'm finna get narrow. Cause I'm finna get the quarterback on the ground.

[E]

Yes, sir.

[B]

So before the 2019 draft, you funded your own sports agency, the Rashawn Gary Sports. What inspired you to do something like this?

[E]

Going to Michigan, being able to sit in, you know, our Ross business school. I had a couple classes. I was blessed and fortunate to have a couple classes in there and just, you know, actually talk about. No business models, marketing. Actually got to, you know, talk about life after football. And it's something that, you know, I really never thought about. And I'm like, you know, we could be real. You know, football is the biggest thing. This is not gonna stop. It's only gonna get bigger and bigger and keep growing and growing. So I'm like, you know, when I get old and then when I do hang my cleats up, you know, how can I, you know, stay around, you know, the game, you know, give the game to young guys, especially in positions where, you know, I wish I would have had growing up. And then also to leave a legacy, you know, for my kids. Kids. And hopefully they kids. So really just trying to build it, become a powerhouse.

[B]

I like that.

[C]

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[B]

Rashad, you do realize that division you in, you got the packers, they won 14 games last year. You got the Lions, they won 15 games last year. You got the Bears. And many believe they're much improved with the addition as Ben Johnson as their head coach. Coach, they've added pieces on the offensive line to protect Caleb Williams. Defense seemed to be flying around on the new dc. Dennis Allen and yourself, the packers, you guys made the playoff. Jordan Love had the surgery on his left hand, but hey, everybody say he's good to go. What does the packers need to do to win this division? Get a home game and say, hey, let whatever happens happen.

[E]

After that, we gotta go out There, and we just gotta play packers ball. Like I said, we've been grinding from OTAs through camp. I'm talking about even finishing the pregame, I mean, preseason on a high note. You know, we just gotta keep everything flowing, like I said, especially on defense. We've been speaking the same language. I've been seeing offense, you know, do their thing, connecting. Even special teams, you know, the guy that's flying down. Understand that's a very crucial part and an important part of the game. So all we gotta do is be consistent and have the mindset to go 1 and 0 every week.

[B]

Let me ask you this. At practice, do you. If you see something from, like, your offensive line, like, bro, that's a tail. I can tell when you run the ball. I tell when you're passing the ball. I can tell. How you trying to. You trying to set me up? Do you guys communicate like that? Do they tell you, hey, Rashad, bro, I I. Hey, you. You gave this move away. Do you guys communicate like that with one another?

[E]

Oh, yeah, that's iron. Sharp and iron. Especially when I'm trying to work on something, I'm big on that. I'm talking about both my tackles come to me like, what bother you? So of course I'm gonna tell them everything I don't like to do so I can work on it in practice and vice versa, you know, me working on certain moves. Okay, you telegraphed that, man. If you would' it up an extra step. You feel me? Or. Oh, you got me on that move. I'm like, all right, you know, keep working. Things like that. But, yeah, it's iron stripe and iron practice. And me withholding information for season, that's not going to better the team. So I'd rather make it hard on me now. So for the guys that do give it away in season, I could play a little bit faster.

[B]

Oh, man, that's great, man. Thank you, Rashawn, for joining us. Man, stay healthy. Best of luck. Hey, this year, you was what? Hold on, let me try to find where you were. You was number one. He was number 80, man. You dropped 50, you down 30 spots. So when we come back and have this conversation next week, next year, you got to be in the top 30. You got to be 30 above. Well, 30 or below.

[E]

It's gonna be great talking to you then.

[B]

Thank you, bro. Best of luck. Stay healthy. Good luck to the packers this season, and we're gonna talk to you down the road. Appreciate y'.

[E]

All. Thank you. It's an honor.

[B]

Appreciate you, bro. Have a good one. All right, Rashad Gary Ladies and gentlemen.

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