BEST OF NFL Week 1 Part 2: Micah's Packers DEBUT, & Vintage Aaron Rodgers!

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best of NFL Week 1 Part 2: Micah's Packers Debut & Vintage Aaron Rodgers!

Date: September 10, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe (with Ty & Ocho)
Podcast: Club Shay Shay (iHeartPodcasts & Shay Shay Media)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into NFL Week 1’s most jaw-dropping games and performances. Shannon’s crew – Ty and Ocho – break down surprising wins and losses, analyze quarterback play, and react to fresh narratives forming across the league. Major topics include the struggles of the Miami Dolphins and Chicago Bears, the revitalized Green Bay Packers and Pittsburgh Steelers, Daniel Jones' "Indiana Jones" moment, and deep analysis of key rookies and veteran QBs.

The tone is fiery, funny, honest, and loaded with both knowledge and barbershop banter. This is a must-listen for NFL fans craving both analysis and entertainment after a wild Week 1.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dolphins’ Calamitous Performance (02:48 – 12:43)

• The Dolphins lose 33–8 to the Colts, marking QB Tua Tagovailoa’s lowest passer rating (51.7) in a complete game.
• Secondary shuffling (letting Jalen Ramsey go, leaving Fitzpatrick as lone vet), lack of consistency at QB, and overall team direction drew harsh criticism.
• Ocho’s optimism wars with Ty’s realism: “We need to work on all three phases of the game.” (Ocho, 10:54)
• Tua’s ball security and health are hot-button worries.
• Memorable Moment: Ocho promises to abandon Miami if they lose to the Patriots next week:

  “I can't do it no more ... things ain't been right since [I was a Dolphins fan].” (Ocho, 12:28)

2. Daniel Jones: New Nickname, New Attitude (10:53 – 12:27)

• Daniel Jones’ surprise performance against Miami earns him the nickname “Indiana Jones.”
• Ty breaks down the stat line:

  "Daniel Jones was 22 or 29. 272 and a touchdown ... he rushed for two." (Ty, 09:13)

• The Colts offense becomes the first team since 1978 to score on every offensive possession.

3. Packers Shine, Lions Stumble (12:48 – 22:25)

• Green Bay Packers down the Lions 27–13.
• Jordan Love “willing and dealing”; Rashan Gary and Micah Parsons shine on defense.
• Packers’ defense is physical, aggressive, and well-coordinated.
• Lions’ inability to establish the run exposes Jared Goff’s lack of escapability.
• Analysis: Importance of off-script playmaking for QBs in today’s NFL.
• Notable exchange:

  “They need to establish the run ... I don't have a mobile quarterback. So if the play break down ... he ain’t making no plays that's off script." (Ty, 16:32)

4. Washington Commanders Dominate Giants, Wilson Under Fire (23:21 – 32:34)

• Commanders defeat the Giants 21–6. Russell Wilson’s poor protection and slumping performance spark debate on his longevity.
• Ty predicts: Jackson Dart (rookie QB) will start within eight games.

  “I think over under eight games and Jackson Dart will be in there.” (Ty, 32:08)

• Ocho insists Wilson can succeed with line help but concedes: “He’s not the Russell of old ... As you get older, you need more help.” (Ocho, 30:39)
• Malik Nabers’ usage is criticized—star receivers need touches early.

5. Steelers’ Aaron Rodgers Looks Vintage in Debut (36:36 – 46:14)

• Rodgers throws four TDs, leads Steelers to a 34–32 win over the Jets.
• Rodgers silences doubters:

  "There were probably people ... that didn’t think I could play anymore. So it was nice to remind those people that I still can." (Aaron Rodgers via Ty, 37:09)

• Steelers’ defense stays identity; offense relies on limiting turnovers and timely brilliance.
• Ty: “That looked like old Aaron Rodgers. Not an old Aaron Rodgers.”
• Emphasis on closing out teams with elite QBs – “Kill the ant with a sledgehammer.”

6. Bears Collapse, Vikings Rally – JJ McCarthy Perseveres (48:16 – 62:11)

• Chicago falls to Minnesota 27–24 in a shocking turnaround.
• $94 million O-line investment fails to protect Caleb Williams (“running for his life”).
• Rookie QB J.J. McCarthy overcomes a pick-six and hostile environment to deliver for Vikings.
• Game management & momentum: Both discuss the swings that define NFL games:

  “When you have the momentum ... how much separation can you put between you and the team? Because they're going to get it back at some point.” (Ty, 56:48)

• The importance of patience in Week 1—Ocho offers grace to struggling teams but signals urgency if trends continue.

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Memorable Quotes

• Ocho (on the Dolphins post-loss):
  “We need to work on every goddamn area ... all three phases of the game.” (10:53)

• Ty (on Daniel Jones):
  “Look, son, … we don't need you to be John Elway or Peyton Manning ... just give us a chance.” (09:26)

• Ocho (on Russell Wilson’s struggles):
  “He’s not the Russell of old ... As you get older, you need more help.” (30:39)

• Aaron Rodgers (via Ty, on silencing doubters):
  “It was nice to remind those people that I still can.” (37:09)

• Ty (on Rodgers):
  “That looked like old Aaron Rodgers. Not an old Aaron Rodgers.” (38:20)

• Ocho (on switching teams):
  “Third team in three years … when you start bouncing around like that … you on the back end.” (32:21)

• Ty (on Packers’ defense):
  “They were hunting today, and that's what you're going to need.” (21:32)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:48 | Dolphins’ disastrous loss and the Tua conundrum | | 09:13 | Daniel Jones’ breakout vs. Miami, “Indiana Jones” nickname | | 12:48 | Packers’ dominance over the Lions – Jordan Love, Micah Parsons | | 16:32 | The need for off-script QBs in today’s NFL | | 23:21 | Commanders-Giants analysis, Russell Wilson’s rocky debut | | 30:39 | Ocho on the realities of aging QBs and Wilson’s challenges | | 32:08 | Ty predicts Jackson Dart’s debut for Giants | | 36:36 | Aaron Rodgers’ big debut with the Steelers | | 37:09 | Rodgers’ postgame quote on silencing the doubters | | 44:53 | Steelers’ projected win total with Rodgers | | 48:16 | Bears’ struggles, O-line narrative, and Vikings’ comeback | | 56:48 | Ty on the NFL’s swings of momentum and closing out wins | | 60:33 | Ocho’s plea for patience for bad Week 1 teams |

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Notable Game-by-Game Takeaways

• Colts vs. Dolphins: Miami looks directionless and ill-prepared on both sides; Tua’s future in question.
• Giants (Daniel Jones): Out-of-nowhere offensive eruption earns Jones playful nicknames, but sustainability is uncertain.
• Packers vs. Lions: Jordan Love’s efficiency and a suffocating defense place GB atop early NFC North discussion.
• Commanders vs. Giants: Wilson’s age and protection issues spotlight Giants’ need for a transition to rookie QB.
• Steelers vs. Jets: Four touchdown debut for Rodgers shifts the AFC North balance; Steelers’ defense remains a force.
• Bears vs. Vikings: Bears’ O-line woes remain despite heavy investment; rookie J.J. McCarthy shines late for Minnesota.

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Final Thoughts

Week 1’s overreactions are inevitable, but Ocho and Ty remind listeners: it’s the NFL—anything can happen next week. Their blend of stats, storytelling, and locker-room wit offers both catharsis for the broken-hearted and hype for early bandwagon-jumpers. This episode serves as an essential reset and reality check for football’s most passionate fans.

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[Ty]

Speaking of awful offensive performances, the Colts beat the Dolphins 33 to 8 to a completed 14 of 23, 114 yards and a touchdown, but through two. Two interceptions, lost a fumble. His second multi turnover game in his past three starts to a QB rating was. A passer rating was 51.7, was the lowest of his career in a game that he did not leave early. Today marked the fewest passing yards in such a game since week 18 of 2021. Ocho, he looked awful.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I watched the game. I had, I had, I had the, I had the Dolphin, I had the Dolphins game on nice and big up there in the sports book. And I, I, I expected more, I, I expected more, I expected more from the Dolphins in general. I see the direction in which they are going, going young, letting a Jalen Ramsey go, obviously, Fitzpatrick being there, being, being alone, lone veteran back there in that secondary. That's. We, we got to do something, we got to do something at the quarterback position and, and, and finding a way where we can have some type of consistency to give us a chance. Oh, give us consistency to give us the chance. We, we'll go 0. 16. How many games it is? 17.

[Ty]

17.

[Ocho]

We'll go 01. 17. Man, playing like we played today.

[Ty]

Oh, yeah, and hold on, let me. I'm trying to find this boy. Y' all was terrible. I was like, oh, my gosh.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it was bad. It was bad. It was bad. And I didn't expect Daniel Jones to look like he looked. I didn't expect Daniel Jones to look like he looked.

[Ty]

Man, they had, they had a thing up there. They said Daniel Jones looked like Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson looked like Daniel Jones. Man, y', all, they were terrible. Oh, here it is right here. I mean, I think it was the first time they had scored on three consecutive possessions since Peyton Manning in, in 2006.

[Ocho]

Yeah, man.

[Ty]

Okay, so, yeah, they started. They started. Oh, they started the game. Oh, they scored. They kicked the field goal. They scored a touchdown, scored a touchdown, kick the field goal, scored a touch, kicked another field goal. I mean, dang, hold on. So they got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. They scored on six of the first. Their first six possessions.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ty]

And then, listen, two will look bad. Ocho. And then, and then, and then. And Reek was frustrated. Yeah, he's like yeah, it's tough, man. It's tough, it's tough, it's tough.

[Ocho]

But listen, we, we doing over unders. You think, you think if things continue to go like this.

[Ty]

I, I, we already had this conversation this summer. You told me they would trade Reek.

[Ocho]

Hey, look, if things continue to go like this, being that they're, they're, they're going, they're going younger, as you can see, letting Jalen go, they're resetting, they're rebuilding there. There could be a chance. There are many, many suitors that can use Tyreek. Many suitors still one of the best in the game. Don't, don't, don't be fooled, because things aren't going right collectively as a cohesive offense over there with the Dolphins.

[Ty]

Chad, y' all remember me and Ocho had this conversation, and he laughed at me and talked about. But what you talk about?

[Ocho]

Yeah, because I expected them to look completely different as opposed to what I saw today. Now, you. There's a chance they can bounce back. There's a chance to get bounced back after today's performance, because that was.

[Ty]

Oh, they don't look good defensively, though, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Man, our identity was never our defense anyway. It was an office.

[Ty]

Okay, so you, offensively, you got sacked three times, you threw two picks, and you fumble. So what's your identity now? You probably got bags in your face because you don't want nobody to know who you are.

[Ocho]

Hey, that was bad, boy. That was bad. But all, all you can do, all you could do, go back to the drawing table. You go in there Monday, you watch film. You take Tuesday off, go hit the cold tub, hit the hot tub, and you get back to work Wednesday. But who, who do the Dolphins got? Because I'm sure whoever the next game is, is a winnable game.

[Ty]

I don't know who they got, Chad. Who?

[Ocho]

Who? The Dolphin.

[Ty]

His QB rating was 2.7.

[Ocho]

God damn. Yeah, that's real.

[Ty]

That ain't even good. That, That's a good gpa. I mean, that's a C. Yeah, we got the pass in Miami.

[Ocho]

Okay, we good. We good. We good. We good.

[Ty]

You do realize, hey, Hal Landry had two and a half sacks today. I don't know, they might get y'.

[Ocho]

All little n. We, we good. Listen, the Raiders. The Raiders just beat the pass today. The Raider beat the pass today. Gino was at the goddamn dealing. And if we're going to have a rebound game to get that bad taste of our mouth against the Colts, a game that obviously you would think we should have won, but because Danny Dimes was dealing today. He was dealing. Jonathan Taylor was doing his thing as well. I think we be. We beat the Patriots. We beat the Patriots. And hold on. They playing in Miami.

[Ty]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Oh, man. We got this. We got this. We good. We good.

[Ty]

Y' all not good, Ocho.

[Ocho]

We. You. It's week one. It's week one.

[Ty]

I don't care if y' all play like this in week 10. Y' all look bad. Did you look bad? Yes or no?

[Ocho]

Yeah, we. We look bad. I'm just being honest. But you know this NFL now. You know what? You know, one week you look bad, the next week you. Well, where the hell this come from? It. It happens. It's possible. It's possible.

[Ty]

It is. It is. But I think the thing is that's concerning for me. OO is your quarterback has to play well. He has to stay healthy. And it's like. And it's like now. OO. Anytime he get hit, the ball come out.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you.

[Ty]

You know, OO hold on.

[Ocho]

He got the ball out here. You got to have that ball. You got to have two hands on that ball just in case, because you can't see everything around you. Anytime you in that pocket, you got to be here. You got to be that clock, that time, that clock. That clock has to go off in your head and understanding people rushing.

[Ty]

Daniel Jones was 22 or 29. 272 and a touchdown.

[Ocho]

Hey, that's nasty work right there. That's good work, too. Yes, good work.

[Ty]

And that's. Look, son, we don't need. Son, we don't need you. We don't need you to be John Elway or Peyton Manning. Yeah, just don't. Just. Just don't turn it over right?

[Ocho]

That's it.

[Ty]

Just give. Just give us a chance. Give us a chance. That's all we ask of you. Give us a chance. If you give them a chance, they got. They. The defense is good.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

You know, they got Frank, they got some guys over there, but. Oof.

[Ocho]

Damn Dolphins. Don't worry about it. Fins up, baby. Fins up. We good. We gonna be all right. We're gonna be all right. What the Broncos look like today?

[Ty]

They won.

[Ocho]

They Bear. They barely won, but okay. Go ahead, boy.

[Ty]

We put that bang on the Titans.

[Ocho]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Barely won.

[Ty]

Yeah. You concerned for your Dolphins?

[Ocho]

Hell, yeah. After what I witnessed today.

[Ty]

You just told me, Chad, this man just told me it's one game now.

[Ocho]

He told me it's one game, but I'm trying to be optimistic. I'm trying to be optimistic. We cannot have that type of show, and there has to be some type of promise. When you watch a game, we watch the NFL game for four quarters. You got to see something. Okay, you know what? That was something good that we can build off of. Okay? This is the area we need to work on, Unk. We need to work on every goddamn area.

[Ty]

Everything.

[Ocho]

We need to work on all three phases of the game.

[Ty]

Off defense, locking, tackling, running, throwing. Other than that, y' all pretty good, don't y'? All. Hey, y' all let Indiana Jones do a number on y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Ty]

They got. Y' all got that. Y' all got. Y' all got the people calling that man Indiana Jones.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, hey, Danny Dime. They. Listen. Danny Dime.

[Ty]

Hell, he ain't dating the Dabs no more. Ocho. They called him Indiana Jones.

[Ocho]

Okay, I got you. I. I take that.

[Ty]

I say what they don't gave this about a nickname after one game.

[Ocho]

Danny Manning.

[Ty]

I said, oh, my goodness.

[Ocho]

He was out there dealing. I'm gonna be honest with you. He was out there dealing. I'm. I'm. I can't.

[Ty]

He. He. He did a number on y'. All. Little. And he had two. I mean, he threw for. Hold on. Dan Jones had a touchdown. He rushed for two touchdowns. The Colts scored on all seven of their offensive possessions in today's victory, becoming the first team since at least 1978 to score on every offensive possession in a game.

[Ocho]

Every.

[Ty]

That's what Indiana Jones did to y'.

[Ocho]

All. A defense. We need.

[Ty]

We.

[Ocho]

We need that. That. That don't make. Don't make me sad. Don't make me sad. Because I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm bid in good spirits. My Bengals won't. And. And I'm hoping. I'm hoping. Matter of fact, I'll tell you. I'll tell you what with that. If the Dolphins lose to the Patriots this next upcoming week, my allegiance to them. I can't do it no more.

[Ty]

Can we do it?

[Ocho]

I'm done. I'm done. Because I've been listening. I've been going through this since 1984. Since 1984, when I understood that I'm from Miami.

[Ty]

Yes.

[Ocho]

My home team is the Miami Dolphins, and things ain't been right since.

[Ty]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Well, God damn, man.

[Ty]

Yeah, y' all look bad, Ocho, y'. All. The packers beat the Lions 27 13. Jordan Love threw a pair of touchdowns, and Michael Parsons had a second his Green Bay debut. The Packer delivered an exceptional defensive performance after Getting out scored 99, 40 in the first half of the NFC north games last year, the packers got points on their opening three possessions. Oo you like the packers to be favored in the NFC north now?

[Ocho]

Man hat. Hell yeah. Boy, you see them boys today. Boy, you see Jordan. Jordan Love dealing Golden Hicks. Dos.

[Ty]

Yep.

[Ocho]

Reed may have to tight end John Jacobs. John Jacob was trying to, you know, get loose a little bit. You know, he wasn't able to go crazy. Defensively, the packers look good too. You know, they can they contain Jameer Gibbs. He didn't have a. A huge game. They contained. Montgomery didn't have a huge game. But I see a team, especially from an offensive standpoint like the Detroit Lions. They gonna be all right. They gonna be all right. But what I'm seeing from the packers this early in the season is. Is phenomenal. Jordan Love was willing and dealing all game long. All game long.

[Ty]

They didn't have a ton of plays. Nah, I mean they had, I mean 45 actual plays. So they might have had 50 total plays if you count the penalty stuff. Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

You look at Jordan Love was 16 to 22, 188, two touchdowns. They only had 25 rush attempts for 78 yards. The packers did a tremendous job getting up to Jerry Goff. He's not mobile, so we know where he's going to be right there. He ain't going nowhere.

[Ocho]

Gonna be right there.

[Ty]

So they didn't run the ball. Montgomery couldn't get anything going. Gibbs couldn't get anything going. You know, Gibbs had 10 reception for 31 yards along of seven. That. That's not what you use. You get. You need. You need Amara, you need Jameson, you need J. Mo. They need. They're there. J mode to stretch the field. Almond Rod to. To keep the chains moving. And then we'll scream past you, we'll swing it to one of the backside of the backfield. Laporta. They need to get more out of here. But they did. Hey, Green Bay was swarming today. They got. After they got. They got at them today, right? Rashawn Gary. You talked. We had him on the show. Ocho. Yeah. I'm having a big year. Well, he got somebody that he gonna send the double at him. So he's gonna get a lot of one on one.

[Ocho]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Ty]

And everybody don't got tackles like, like Penne Soul and. And I think. Who's the other tackle over there?

[Ocho]

I forgot who's on the left side?

[Ty]

Is it Decker, the starting left tackle for Detroit? Is it Taylor? Is It Taylor Decker. Yeah, I. Everybody don't got tackles like that.

[Ocho]

No.

[Ty]

And then you got those guys, you got what? Hey, they, they can bring pressure from a lot of different areas. Van Ness, Wyatt.

[Ocho]

Hey, look good. And you know what you think? You talk about all the things that we used to see in Detroit doing. The Detroit offense is so explosive because they're able to establish the run. They, they able to establish run, but not being able to establish a run today and get Those chunk plays 6, 7 yards here, having them forcing, forcing Detroit to maybe have to, I mean forcing the packers maybe have to drop a seats down in the box.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

For a little help. So it eliminates everything else you want to do on the back end because you can't get nothing going on the front end.

[Ty]

Yeah. You need to establish the run. Oo for the simple fact I don't have a mobile quarterback.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Ty]

I don't have a mobile quarterback. So if the play break down. See, here's the thing. A lot of these quarterbacks you need now moving forward. What you're starting to see, you need guys at the quarterback position to get our script. So if I, if I call something, even if I don't call the perfect play.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Ty]

He can get me out of that play with his legs.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

He can get me out of there and buy me time. Because a lot of times can a guy get off sheet, Can a guy get away from the play that you call and make something out of it? So if I just give you this ingredients, can you make something tasty with the ingredients that I gave you or can you just like, man, I, I don't worry about this. I got something better. Hey, listen, and that's not what Jerry Goff feels. We know who and what Jerry Garfield. He can throw the ball, Ocho. Yeah, but he ain't making no plays. That's off script.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I mean, listen, they're, they're, they're, they're a handful of quarterbacks on where a coach can call and play and he sees something completely different and he can make out of nothing.

[Ty]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Call the right defense. But damn, now we stuck. Yes, I've used my legs making something out of nothing. There are very few that can do it.

[Ty]

True. Detroit's offense failed to score a touchdown through three quarters, which hadn't happened since 2023, Week 7 at Baltimore. And that was my concern, Ocho. Okay, you got the same guys. But, but they're not. Ben Johnson, the guy that's calling plays now, he didn't go audition for a head Coaching job.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Ty]

He's never been. He's never auditioned. He's never been a head coach before. He's never been an offensive coordinator before.

[Ocho]

Right, Right.

[Ty]

So you're asking someone, you put someone in a position, and I'm not saying that he can't be good or he won't be good in the future, but I'm saying it's going to. You. You got to have some growing pains. I mean, I. I've never seen a kid be able to just all of a sudden grow from walking. I mean, go from crawling to walking without falling and busting his butt or her butt or hitting his head on. That's just a part. That's just a part of walking.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Ty]

So a part of calling plays when you've never done it is to go through trial and error, to go through growing pains. And they're going to have some of these in Detroit, Ocho. They are. You lost both you boss, your DC and your OC it's going to be some growing pains.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Going to be some growing pains. And do. Do I think they'll figure it out? Yeah, I do. I think. I think they'll figure it out, but it's not going to be as smooth and as seamless as it. As it has been the last couple of years, that's for sure.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Ty]

But. But I thought Green Bay, defensively. Defensively, that's what. Look, I, I agree with you. Oo. They can run the football. They got. Look, they got receivers that. I don't look at any of these guys. Like, oh, man, I'm just, oh, I ain't looking at none of these guys. Like, I look at a chase. Like I look at a. A Jetta.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Ty]

Well, they can hurt you.

[Ocho]

They can. And there is one. If, if. If he's all that he's been advertised to be in. Matthew golden, he's supposed to be similar to that, which is why they got him in the. In. In the first round.

[Ty]

Right.

[Ocho]

He's a 42 guy. We weren't able to see that 42 today. He did make some plays, but. But I'm excited to see what they do with him going forward. Jaden Reed. Nice. All nice.

[Ty]

What scares you about him, oo, is that because from week to week, you don't know. See, you set your game plan. You like, okay, we got to take this guy away. We got to take Chase away, we got to take Jetta away, we got to take CD Away. There are certain guys, you going to the game, who you trying to take away?

[Ocho]

You all know.

[Ty]

You don't. You never knew guy.

[Ocho]

You never knew who to week. It varies with. With them week to week event.

[Ty]

Because there's not a whole lot of difference between Dobbs, Reed, Wicks. Ain't a whole lot of difference. Ocho, right? They all about this, you know. And then Christian, he's not there. He's your speed merchant. He just can't stay healthy. He's phenomenal. I like him a lot, but he just can't stay healthy.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but he'll be what, He. He won't be back, what, till later in the season? Huh? I mean, way, way back. Because he tore his.

[Ty]

And you know, he had a. When you normally. Guys that have that kind of speed they normally have, they, they. They bound, they wound tight. So they normally have hamstring issues.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Ty]

He. He's battled a lot of hamstring issues.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Ty]

But I did like what I saw from Green Bay offensively, even though they didn't do it, they didn't have a, a whole lot of plays. The stats don't jump off at you. They probably had what, 260 yards, but you only gave up 13 points. And they gave up that on a spectacular catch. The guy caught the ball, one hand over outstretched. I can live with that. But Green Bay, defensively, those guys were hunting today.

[Ocho]

They look good.

[Ty]

They were hunting today, and that's what you're going to need, you know, Boy, I'm already chopping it to bed. I want to see week four.

[Ocho]

Wait, week four? Dallas, about Dallas and the Packers, Green Bay.

[Ty]

And Green Bay goes, hey, wait, I'm telling you. Dallas.

[Ocho]

They playing in Dallas.

[Ty]

They're playing in Dallas.

[Ocho]

Hey, let's go to the game.

[Ty]

We can't. I ain't going to the game. You can go.

[Ocho]

No, I'm asking you, let's go to the game. So, I mean, we can. We can live stream the whole game. Me and you sitting there watching the game, chilling in the cr. In the stands like that's, that's. That's, you know. No, like a live broadcast, Uncle. Noo. Live it Pack.

[Ty]

I ain't trying to do. I ain't trying to do five hours of tv.

[Ocho]

It just n. I'm telling you, Unc man. Ash, man, talk to Unc man.

[Ty]

It's. I'm sure. I'm sure they got some, some stuff drawn up for him to try to, you know, try to. But Michael gonna be. Michael gonna be coming. He believes. He believes there's not anybody on the defensive, on the offensive line that can block him Absolutely not.

[Ocho]

Hell, there ain't nobody on any defensive line that can actually block him on any other, other 31 teams.

[Ty]

So he gonna be, he gonna be. He gonna be chomping, chomping at the bit. I'm excited to see that game. But they look good today. Not just Micah, but the packers defense, defense in general. Quaid, Walker, Wyatt, Rashawn, Gary, all those guys looked extremely well. They were getting after and it's easy to get look when you become one dimensional. That's why everybody wants to try to establish some resemblance of a run game. Once you become one dimensional and those guys like, okay, we gonna play the run on the way to the quarterback.

[Ocho]

It's a wrap.

[Ty]

The Commanders beat the Giants 21 6. New York offense did not look competitive with Russell run. I was checking back and forth in this game. It seemed like every time I turn in, he was putting the ball. Russ was pressured on 16 of his 45 drop backs 35% and handled that pressure quite poorly. He was 2 of 12 for 26 yards, sacked twice when pressured. New York managed his 231 yards of total offense. Average 3.2 yards per rush. Stumbled twice into the red zone. When asked if he would consider starting Jackson Dart. Excuse me? Dart. Next week day Ball said we're going to get home and look at our game. When asked if Wilson would start against the Cowboys, they Ball was equally non committal. We're talking about after every game I've had, I've got confidence in Russ. We'll go back, evaluate the tape. This game isn't on Russell Wilson. It's not a Russell Wilson. Let's make that clear. I have confidence in Russ. We have to do a better job all the way around. Now it was reported that I and like I said, it's maybe I didn't stay long enough to see Dart get any snaps. Did he get any snaps in this game? Oo did you watch?

[Ocho]

I was. I had all the games on at one. At one time at the sports book. So I'm not sure at what point where Jackson Dart might have come in. When I, when I was watching, I was watching Russell Wilson most of the time he was running.

[Ty]

No, he didn't come in.

[Ocho]

Okay. Okay. That.

[Ty]

Hey. Because there were reports that he was supposed to have a package. They would have a package or two for Jackson dark. But Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson was 17 to 37, 168, sacked twice, under 26 quarterback rating. They had 20, 20. They had what, 74 rush yards on 23 rush attempts. Go ahead.

[Ocho]

Ocho no, I won't say that goddamn defensive line. But it had Rush running for his life. Every time he got back to even throw a ball, the passing lanes was gone because everybody in his face. Everybody was in his face. Most of the time. Most of the game. Every time I looked up, I look at the TV to the left, I'm like, well, God damn, Russ. Every time I look up, you getting hit, you getting sacked, you running for your life. There's certain things you can't put on the quarterback, regardless of who you put in there. Jackson Dart had to deal with that. But what I saw today, man, I don't think anything would have been any different because he would have been running for his life.

[Ty]

True. Washington ran the football extremely well today. 32 rush attempts, 220 yards.

[Ocho]

Obviously sometimes, you know, when you played, obviously when I played, when Carson would get plays, when plays would come in, one play. But he has the freedom to be able to change the play based on what he sees.

[Ty]

Right?

[Ocho]

Whether it's a run play, if it's. If it's tossed. Right. But you know what, you know, let's. We can go dive left based on. Based on defense, based on. Just. Based on what I see with my own eyes.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I have the experience. I wonder if Russell has. Has that freedom to do so when the play comes in. He actually has to stick exactly. Exactly what it's called because based on the play calling, from what I saw today, it's like, it's hindering. It's hidden Russ from. From being able to do some of the things that he does well.

[Ty]

Well, I'm not so sure he had that ability. He probably hadn't had that. I don't know if he ever had it in. In Seattle, maybe later in Seattle. He definitely didn't have it with Sean Payton. Oh, no. And I'm not so sure he had it last year with. With. With, uh, Arthur Smith. So the likelihood of him coming in there and having that kind of control now. Ocho, right. Doesn't seem likely, but hey, they just need to play better. We're not going to put all this on Russ.

[Ocho]

No.

[Ty]

Although he was less than 50 completion percentage. And then neighbors, it seemed like. I don't know what that was about. What did Neighbors. And day ball was trying to get him to go back in the game. He was talking to him, trying to get. But neighbors seemed like. He was like, man, I'm done with this.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he frustrated. He frustrated. He frustrated. Listen, players like that. I say this with A.J. brown, too. When Eagles Played. Having to wait all the way to the third quarter, nine minutes in the third quarter to even. Even touch the ball. You have a player that is special. As Malik neighbors, you, get him the ball early. I don't have it. Don't have to be nothing crazy. Throw him a little. Throw him a little smoke route. Throw him a screen route. Give him reverse. Let him feel like he's involved in the game instead of out there getting all that goddamn cardio.

[Ty]

Get it to him early.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

And you will have him late all game. That's what that. That's what you should do.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

What you should do and what they actually do is not always the case. But you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. Ocho. Is that when you're dealing with these, the number one receivers, you got to give them something early in the first quarter.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

I mean, just. Ain't nobody asking, you know, to ask Jordan or to ask Steph Curry to ask one of these great players. Look, we don't want you to take a shot until the third quarter. No, no, just. You do. Hey, everything just. Just run around out here, Steph. You just run around off these picks and do all this stuff, and we're gonna run. You know, hey, all that we gonna do, but don't. Don't take no shot to the third quarter. As a matter of fact, we ain't gonna let you take no shot to the fourth quarter and see how that work out. But y' all want these receivers to get out there and run, and it's like just run and just run and just run, and they don't get no action. Don't get the ball thrown away, and then they come, fourth quarter. Hey, here we come. Come to. Come to do what?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Mentally united. Mentally united.

[Ty]

No, you're not.

[Ocho]

It's hard. It's a struggle. It's a struggle.

[Ty]

So we. We'll see. What happened? They got. They got the Cowboys. The Cowboys, like, hey, we let one slip away last week. We ain't about to let one slip away this week. Cowboys might drop. I know. It's a division game, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Cowboys might try to drop 50 on the Giants.

[Ocho]

50.

[Ty]

Damn. Yep. I'm trying to.

[Ocho]

Hey, what. What was. What was neighbor's numbers today? Huh?

[Ty]

He had five for 71 on 12 targets.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that's. That's. That's. That's not bad.

[Ty]

W. Robinson had 655 or eight targets.

[Ocho]

That's not bad. That's not bad. I mean, you know, look. Look good. Look, slow day at the Office. Not. Not. Not what you like.

[Ty]

I mean, ain't nobody go crazy at the receiver position, but Zay Flowers.

[Ocho]

Yeah. They was only one. They be killing that slot boy. Oh, he'd be killing that slot. And it's the same route over and over. They're either either that shallow or that deep oval.

[Ty]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's. That's the thing. Yeah. Because you got to honor. Because they hold. Because Lamar, stick it in there. You think Henry. So you hold just for a second, and by the time you realize that, he's already passed behind us. Yeah. Yeah. What you think? You. You. You think. You think there's some. There's some tread on the tires with Russ? Me personally, Ocho, I don't think he can. I don't think he's going to start the whole year. You know, you and I, we had a bet over under eight games. I think it's going to be under eight games and Jackson Dart's gonna be in there. I do.

[Ocho]

I think, honestly, based on what he has around him, is all going to come down to his offensive line. If you give Russ time, you give Rush time to be able to process and. And allow him to make the decisions with the ball, I think he's going to be all right. If they can. If. If they can get a running game going, take some of the pressure off of Russ as well, which obviously helps with the pass game, I think they're going to be all right. But so many different factors have to. Have to go right for us to be able to succeed. Because he's not the Russell Bold. He's not the Russell Wilson with the Seattle Seahawks that at one point he can make something out of nothing. As you get older, you need more help from those that are around you. And I'm not. I'm not sure the New York Giant team is built with the right personnel where he can be able to succeed like that.

[Ty]

Yeah, it's a lot of rust. Was. Was outside. Was off script.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Ty]

Improvisation. You know, Russ was a magician with the ball.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Pump faking and flicking the ball over guys and finding ways. He doesn't have that athleticism anymore. Like you said. I think in order for him to be at his absolute best, things has to be perfect. And, you know, the likelihood of things being perfect, more times than not, it ain't gonna happen. It's not.

[Ocho]

So you say eight games. You think Jackson.

[Ty]

Yeah, I think. Yeah, I think over under eight games and Jackson Dart will be in there.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Ty]

I mean, Ocho, I mean, you got to think about it. This is his third team in three years.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Because yeah, he went from Broncos to the Steelers, Steelers to the, to the Giants. Man, Ocho, you, because you know when you start bouncing around like that, Ocho, when you start bouncing around like that.

[Ocho]

On the back end. Yeah, on the back end. That, that, that's what, that's what normally happens. But obviously he's on one year deals when he's with the Steelers. When he came in, obviously he was injured. Justin Fields took over. We did really well. Well, hell, when Russell Wilson did get the opportunity to get back in there after coming back from injury, he went on a five, six, what? Seven. Game seven. Yeah, seven. Seven in a row. And then obviously the bottom fell out after that. But damn, I don't know. I don't know.

[Ty]

And plus, plus the thing is, Ocho, they ball know his job's on the line.

[Ocho]

Oh, that's right.

[Ty]

How does it look, Ocho? I draft the guy that I don't get to coach.

[Ocho]

Hold on.

[Ty]

So if I, so if I don't play Jackson dart, there's a great chance I'm never going to coach him.

[Ocho]

Well, hell, if you do play Jackson dart and things don't go well, hell, you still ain't gonna be able to coach him.

[Ty]

But I got, I got a year. I drafted him. I mean that's like you, you, hey, you build a house and get a divorce and the wife living in it. You ain't get to live in the house, Ocho. So I, I just think, I just think the thing is, is that they're going to turn the dart sooner than later.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Cause probably four or five games on you, you know, you look at your division, you'll see where Philly, you'll see what Washington, you see what Dallas is. You look around the league like, oh man, we already, we out of this. We might as well go ahead and start building towards the future.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Ty]

At some point in time, Ocho, I gotta start, I gotta start hoarding a bottle of water in canned tuna. Doomsday is here.

[Ocho]

I know. I, I, I, I, I don't want the fans out there in New York to overreact. It is week one. I think we, we being a little, a little too, we jump in the gun a little too much. Who the Giants got next? Huh?

[Ty]

Cowboys.

[Ocho]

Oh, oh.

[Ty]

You do realize they took this man number one. They took Jackson Dark number one, right?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

What they take him number one for?

[Ocho]

To start.

[Ty]

And you and you get, and you and you got a, what people would consider Russ, not as a Journeyman quarterback.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir. Yeah, obviously. And you know, you know what, with, with that journeyman, we talk about a Super bowl winning journeyman who has good experience, who has good success in NFL.

[Ty]

Joe Flacco won a Super bowl and what super bowl mvp. How do people look at it? What is he?

[Ocho]

Journeyman. Okay, but again, Russell Wilson is starting for a reason. What better person for Jackson Dart to sit behind and learn the game from than someone that's already accomplishes what he has? I, I could be wrong. Or you can throw caution to win and throw Jackson daughter out there to the Sharks. And what, what, what normally happens to young quarterbacks when you throw them out there to Sharks and they don't play well and they start losing confidence.

[Ty]

All right, well, if it got, I.

[Ocho]

Mean.

[Ty]

It'S tough because I, I, and, and that's why I think it's going to be, I don't think it'll be in the next couple of weeks, but I think by week six, week seven, you kind of know, right? And you gotta, you just got to move forward. And once we make, we went. Once we make this decision on your, Ain't no turning back now.

[Ocho]

Ain't no turning back. Once you do that, ain't no turning back. But that's, that's why I say it wouldn't happen that, that soon. It wouldn't happen that soon because once they do make that decision, Jackson Dart is the quarterback for the foreseeable future unless things just completely don't pan out similar to that of Daniel Jones.

[Ty]

Oh, so you have been on a road trip. Like, look here, okay, now I'm gonna drive. And once I drive, I ain't, I, I ain't stopping, right? So once we gas up, get everything you need. Get water, get your, get your, get your, you know, get your goodies, whatever.

[Ocho]

Bathroom, use the bathroom, all that. Yeah, I'm with you.

[Ty]

Cause what? Hey, I ain't stopping. Oh. The Steelers went on the road, beat the Jets 34, 32. Aaron Rodgers threw four touchdown passes. If I'm not mistaken, it's his first game with four touchdown passes and no interceptions since 2021. Aaron Rodgers threw four touchdown passes in his Steelers debut. Rogers. After the game, they were probably people in the organization that didn't think I could play anymore. So it was nice to remind those people that I still can. I'm just happy to be everybody associated with the Jets.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Were you surprised how well Aaron Rodgers looked today?

[Ocho]

Well, I wasn't surprised, obviously, based on the team he's at, where he is what he has to work with offensively, the Steelers, obviously their identity is their defense. Even though they looked okay because the goddamn Jess and Justin Fields, they were playing some ball today, boy. Yes, hey, Justin Fields and the boy were playing some ball today. But I'm happy for Aaron. He had DK Metcalf. They had very, very, very good chemistry. Very good chemistry. He caught some, he's caught some good balls. And outside of that, I mean they look really good. And this is what I really expected for the Steelers to have a quarterback that is four time mvp, super bowl winning quarterback and putting, putting the right pieces around him. And all he has to do is do what's asked of him and don't turn the ball over. Just don't turn the ball over and you will always have a chance. And that's, that's exactly what they had today. That's exactly what they had today. Let, let defense take care everything.

[Ty]

And again. What happened? It was a turnover.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Remember the fumble?

[Ocho]

8.

[Ty]

Look, we know Aaron Rodgers can have games like this. He looked like the old Aaron Rodgers. Not an old Aaron Rodgers, the old Aaron Rogers.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

22 or 30, 244, four touchdowns. Just got after him a little bit. Got him, sacked him four times. Did a great job of neutralizing the run. Only 50 yards on 20 carries. Then you go to the other side. Justin Fields looked really, looked played really well today. 16, 22, 218, one touchdown. They had 182 rushing.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

But when you get a situation like that, you got to kill the net with a sledgehammer.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Ty]

You, you, you can't leave a team with these type quarterbacks. You can't let them hang around or show they'll find a way to beat you every time. You can't. When you get a team down and they got a great quarterback on that side of the football, Rogers can still beat you. Josh Allen can beat you. Or Mahomes. These guys, they can beat you. You better put them away when you get a chance.

[Ocho]

But the funny thing, if you leave.

[Ty]

Them hanging around O Joe.

[Ocho]

Okay, but the funny thing about it, when teams get in a situation where you can kill an ant with a sledgehammer, everything gets conservative.

[Ty]

Right?

[Ocho]

Play calling gets conservative. Because now I don't want to be responsible for the loss as opposed to let's keep our foot in the pedal and just kill him right away. But no, every, every time. On every single time. Which is why I tweeted what I tweeted tonight. While the Ravens and Bills are playing every time Listen, it looks like a blowout, but for some reason, in every football game, the play calling, mistakes, they get conservative things happen. Fumbles, interception. And for some reason, the game always ends closer than what it should be.

[Ty]

Oh. You know, you turn the ball over you. You give the Packers a short field, and next thing you know, the game is. Is boom, boom, boom.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Give Jalen Ramsey credit. He got. You can't go low, Jaylen. Now, you can't take out the lead blocker by taking out his knees. They won't allow you to do that on the defensive side of football. You used to could, but you can't do that anymore. But he says, okay, don't worry about it. I'll make up for it. He did not make up for it. He dropped the hammer on Garrett Wilson. I think the thing is, you gotta. You gotta know that guy's over there. Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Cause what are they trying not to do, Ocho? Let you out of bounds? So if they're not gonna let you out of bounds, what does that mean? Somebody's close to the sidelines.

[Ocho]

The sidelines and keeping everything inside.

[Ty]

And so now Ram see him? Mm. I'm about to. Hey, let me get some bold barbecue sauce, because I'm gonna put some sauce on the ribs.

[Ocho]

That was it.

[Ty]

That's what happened.

[Ocho]

That was a text. That was a textbook tackle, too, now.

[Ty]

Textbook.

[Ocho]

That was teach tape. Teaching tape on how to tackle and not get no flag. That was nice.

[Ty]

That was. That was a. That was an unbelievable play by Unbelievable player. Um, but I thought. I thought Justin Field showed great poise, did a great job. He's only sacked once. The tackle got beat really bad. He got beat really, really quick. And I think. Because I thought they had something on that plate, looking at it, they had. They had something. If the court. If the tackle doesn't get beat so quick, Highsmith beats him clean and feels really doesn't even get a chance. Really gets a chance to do much of anything. But I. I was impressed with Rogers. Now, I didn't know. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I saw four touchdowns and no turnovers. 22 or 30. No. I knew they were going to try to run, to try to establish the run.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Ty]

But that's why you got a guy like Rogers, because if we can't run it, we feel comfortable. If we can protect him, he can make plays. He can still make plays off his back foot. He still can roll out the pocket and throw with pinpoint accuracy. He still has those capabilities. He's not as elusive as he once was. Hey, we're not the same people at 20. At 30 we were at 25. We're not the same people at 35. We were at 30. Rogers is what, 40, 41 years of age. He's definitely not the same person. Athletic. Athletically. Athletically as he was in his 30s. But his arm, his ability to change arm slots, his ability to move on the run, to throw on the run. Now he don't have the foot speed he wants did Ojo. He's not going to really beat you like he once could with his legs. But his arm is still dangerous. Yeah, his arm is still very, very dangerous.

[Ocho]

Very, very much.

[Ty]

I didn't see the four touchdowns. If somebody would have told me, could I see two? 44. Yeah, but I don't think either team is really happy. One team gave up 34, the other team gave up 32. Now if, hey, if I give up 32 and I win, I'm happy. But there were some concerning things that I saw. But I thought. But if, I think if you, you're Mike Tomlin, you're like, okay, we, I think we found our quarterback and you look at the receiver, you look at DK doing what he did. You look at Calvin Austin iii. Frymuth had a big play, sconic catch up. He's normally a special teams maven. Came from. I think he was at the Rams. That's where I remember him from. I don't know if he was. Came from there last year, a couple years ago, but I remember him at the Rams as a special team. Maven called a touchdown, recovered a fumble. But I like, I, I like what I saw from the Jets. There, there's some positives, absolutely. There's some positives that you can take out of this. You just like, man, we, we, we had it. Yeah, but you give up 17 points. Just like the Ravens gave up 22 points. You gave up 17 points in the fourth quarter. Yeah, you can't, you're not going to win. You're not going to win very many games giving up that, that kind of in the fourth quarter. But the Steelers, the Steelers, the Steelers play well. Look, Steelers are 1 and 0 in that division. Cincinnati is 1 and 0. And you got Cleveland, Baltimore at the bottom of division at both 0 and 1. It's early one game in the season. One game does not make a season and lose or draw. But I definitely like teaching after a win than I do a loss.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Ty]

Now, I might have your undivided attention more so after A loss than a win. But I like teaching after win. So Steelers, what you thinking? How many, how many wins? 10? 11. Steelers 12. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, that's, that's, that's a good one. Just off the, off the quarterback alone, if he can be consistent and not turn the ball over and show us vintage signs of old Aaron Rodgers, old Green Bay Packers, Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, they could win, win more than that, huh? Especially if the defense carries him. Because the defense is our identity now. The defense is their identity. I, I, I got them winning more than 10. Okay, more than 10, easily. No, no, I'm saying if it all come down to your quarterback. If you look at the league, you look at the landscape of the league, of the team that are always successful year in and year out, what's the common denominator on what each one of those teams have? They have a competent quarterback that puts them in the best situations to win weekend and week out. And that's something that the Steelers have now, which is why common had no problem going to get Aaron Rodgers. We don't need you to be Aaron Rodgers down there. And goddamn Green Bay, we don't need that. If we can give flashes of brilliance every so often and you do what we ask of you and don't turn the ball over, we can hand it off from time to time to take some of the pressure off of you. Dk, make the plays. Calvin Austin the third. You make your plays. Frmuth, how you say his last name?

[Ty]

Friarmouth.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Friarmouth. Make your plays. We gonna be fine. Let the defense do all the heavy lifting.

[Ty]

Yeah, I mean, I like what I saw with dk. They did a great job of getting the ball in his hands. He dropped one early and then he came back and made two spectacular plays. Turned on the afterburners. Liked the guy out down the sideline. I saw Calvin Austin catch a touchdown. He played, he played well today. Fry moot when given the opportunity. He did what he does. Skaronic, they slept on him, did the run the over route. You know, Rogers like to throw the ball outside of the pocket.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah.

[Ty]

They're like, they don't have a problem putting him on the move. He does a great job because if you roll him to the left, he can open his hips up and still make get to completion. A lot of right, A lot of the right handed quarterbacks are left handed. Quarterbacks that have to roll right or right handed quarter quarterback that got a roll left. It's an awful lot to throw on the move because you got to open your Hips up. Especially if it's not like a comeback where the guy, you know, you, you rolling that way and you just throw it. But sometimes you got to open your hips, and I think Rogers does that as good as anybody that's ever, Ever played the game. I like what I saw from the Pittsburgh Steelers. Excuse me? I like what I saw from the Steelers. I like Justin Fields. I like what I saw today. I can. If I, if I'm ag. I'm going to say, son, hey, I know you're disappointed that we didn't win, but there's no question in my mind. You showed a lot of improvement. You showed a lot of growth today. We can win a lot. Would you play it like you played today, son? We can win a lot of football games. We can win a lot of football games. So Steelers go to one and, oh, jets fall to. Oh, and one. 34, 32. You know, Rogers had something to prove. You know, hey, hey, you, you didn't want me. You didn't have a plate. Say, I want to beat everybody that's associated, you know, he gave it a little bit. Yeah. He like, hey, y' all got something for me? Walking off the field today? He would. I think he's walking next to Cam Hayward. He like, y' all got something for me? Y' all look. Y', all, y', all, y'. All, Y' all look so. But like I said, I think the jets, that division is Buffaloes. Yeah, it's Buffalo. Miami looked horrible on both sides of the ball.

[Ocho]

Ocho, don't do that. Don't do that.

[Ty]

Don't do that, Ocho. They look horrible.

[Ocho]

Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that.

[Ty]

No, they did that. I didn't do nothing. I didn't, man. I, I, I, I'm speechless, Ocho, because Minnesota was just going around like, how long Justin Jefferson before he throw his helmet up in the stands because they not target him. JJ Threw a horrible pick, you know, horrible pick six. You know that deep out if you late and inside, he got a reservation for six in the end zone. And next thing you know, Minnesota has seized control of this ball game. I'm almost certain the Chicago Bears spent $94 million. Excuse me. On offensive lineman.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

They got a new center, they got a new left guard. They got a new right tackle. Oh, I couldn't tell.

[Ocho]

No.

[Ty]

Caleb Williams running for his life. If Caleb Williams is not his. If Caleb Williams was Jared Goff, he. He sacked 10 times tonight.

[Ocho]

Easily. Easily.

[Ty]

He's running for his life. And I was like, hold on. I thought you and I both, because we talked about this at. Oh, they improved the offensive line. They got Roma dun, they got a DJ Moore, they got Zakas, they drafted the tight, got another tight end. They got cold commit. Defense seemed to be flying around and they got Ben Johnson calling plays. D.A. is the. Dennis Allen is the new D.C. i say I like Chicago revamped offensive line. Ocho, the offensive line looked the same, if not worse than what it did last year. Give Minnesota credit. I have to give JJ McCarthy a lot of credit. He's a he. Theoretically. He's not a rookie, but last year got hurt in his rookie season, but this is like his rookie season to throw a pick, a pick six on the road and not. And not get down Ocho and to come back and throw two touchdowns and to win this game in your first start. Give J.J. mcCarthy some credit.

[Ocho]

Yeah, absolutely. Listen, watching this game hunk, I. I really thought I was. I thought at some point I thought the Bears were going to run away with this one.

[Ty]

I did too.

[Ocho]

Caleb Williams looked like Houdini back there, obviously, when being able to process dropping back when things don't happen. One of the few quarterbacks in, in the NFL that can make something out of nothing when things break down. He looked good, made some very good throws. Obviously, once the pick six happened. Once the pick six happened and jj, JJ left that out route inside, I was like, you know what? Yeah. At this point, this, this one's over. This game is over, man. J.J. kept on plugging. He did oven kept on plugging. A play here, a play there. He also being a dual threat quarterback being a. Both of them, Both of them could move with the ball too, huh?

[Ty]

Yeah, for sure.

[Ocho]

Yeah, both of them can move with the ball, man. Before you know it, man, we got a ball game, baby. We got a ball game.

[Ty]

You looking at Ocho, you throw that out route. You got to be early and outside because if you, even if you late, it's going to. It's going to be knocked down at worst.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

And no, it'll be knocked out at best. The worst thing that happened is a pick six going the other way. But if you late and inside.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. And you. And you got to have, you got to have an arm. You know, most coaches don't throw it.

[Ty]

From the bar hash all the way out.

[Ocho]

You got to have an arm. So obviously JJ must got a gun on him for the coaches to be comfortable with him even throwing that ball. But it's all about placement. It's all about you. You want to miss far rather than miss inside you.

[Ty]

Hey, when he catch that ball, Ocho, he out of bounds. You catch it, you get two feet down, you out of bounds. Yes. Basically, when you throw that, when that joker plant that right foot, that ball need to be in the air. Because he's running on the spit now. He's not stopping, so he's running a speed out.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ty]

So when he hit. So before he hit that ball got to be in there. When he speed up, when he 10 roll to 12.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

They gotta drop in his hands.

[Ocho]

When his eyes turn back to look for the ball, that ball already got to be in the air.

[Ty]

Oh, for sure.

[Ocho]

He got that ball got to already be in the air. And he got to catch the eyeline of the ball in flight, not watch it leaving your hand, because if it's.

[Ty]

Leaving, oh, it's way too late.

[Ocho]

That guy's way too late.

[Ty]

And you see, first of all, Ocho, the dude playing off.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

So once he See now he ran out and up, he cooked. But you see how hard he. You see how hard he drove on that Ocho? So he knew. He knew. Hey, once he. Once he saw Jetta put that foot in the dirt.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

He goes, oh, you running out? I'm driving this. And you gotta trust it, though, because a lot of guys, they hesitate. Like, I don't know, what if it's an out and up? And, you know, you might get there to knock it down. He's like, nah, I'm gonna trust this. If they got an out and up, coach. Oh, well, they got me on this one.

[Ocho]

That's what I mean.

[Ty]

I'm taking this one to the house. But Minnesota, I didn't see. I didn't see. No. I saw no signs of life. Because think about Ocho. Just like I said, the score was 17 to 6. Yeah. 17 to 6. And the next thing you know, Minnesota scored 21 unanswered. Chicago got a late touchdown. Got a late touchdown to make it 27, 24. But I. I think Minnesota going on the road in a hostile environment. This is a division game, and. And they're doing it with a rookie quarterback. And for him to put up the stats that he did. Look, it wasn't, you know, 13 to 20, 143. They ran the ball 26 times for a buck 20. But for him to go on the road in that environment and to do when things do not. If he'd have got off to a great start, I'd have totally understood them. Winning. But it got off to a shaky start. And for him to keep plugging away. And keep plugging away. His quarterback coach is Josh McCown. I say within three years, Josh McCown is a head coach.

[Ocho]

Oh, Josh.

[Ty]

What you over under 3 years old, your head coach?

[Ocho]

Yeah, probably. Especially. Especially with quarterback success. Anytime you coach a pacific position and that Pacific position continues to succeed on whatever team you're coaching, especially if it's a quarterback. Yeah. Yeah, you're gonna get your opportunity. Yeah, definitely gonna get your opportunity.

[Ty]

He played a long time, you know, back up, made some plays. I mean, I think he played like 17, 18 years. Ocho.

[Ocho]

Long time.

[Ty]

Yeah, he played a long time. But Minnesota. You got to give Minnesota credit. Chat, because like I said, I. I didn't see that. I saw nothing that would make me believe that they had a chance to win this game. Especially through the first three quarters, I saw nothing. I saw no life, especially offensively. Now, give the defense credit and the D.C. who's the D.C. former coach of the Dolphins. Give him credit. Cause he had those guys flying around. They making plays. Van Grinkle and Hargrove. Those guys. Those guys were flying around tonight.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Ty]

That's one thing he can do now. Hey, he dial up that defense they get after you.

[Ocho]

He's about The Vikings.

[Ty]

Vikings, D.C. yeah.

[Ocho]

Brian. Brian Flores.

[Ty]

Flores. Yes. Yes, Flores. Oh, give him. Give him credit. He had those guys playing. Yeah, they were getting pressure with. With four guys. Occasionally they'll bring extra pressure, but I. I thought Chicago would be better because they invested in what many thought was a weakness, which is their offensive line. Tuney is an All Pro, a Pro bowl player. They got Jackson from the Rams. I forget where the center came from, but they got. And I'm like, damn. Are y' all sure?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Did y' all forget how to block? Did y' all have get how to pass that? Did you get out of run block? I'm like. Because this is. This is a. A recap of what it was last year.

[Ocho]

Last night, basically. Hell, J.J. mcCarthy, he threw two. Two TDs on in less than what, three, four minutes?

[Ty]

Yep. Yep.

[Ocho]

Matter of fact, it's games like this. Like what we saw last night, what we saw tonight, where people say, oh, man, 17, six, this game is over. You know, they go do something else. Come go in the garage and come back in, and the Vikings win the game. Oh, man, hell, no. This shit is rigged.

[Ty]

You know, everything rigged.

[Ocho]

This is all rigged. And listen, it was surprising to me, too. But to actually watch it unfold, I'm like, well, God damn, I see why people say that. But then you think to yourself, no, it ain't real because I haven't been out there on that field in the.

[Ty]

Momentum, you know, when the momentum, when the moment, hey, the momentum. Your home at a way. It does not matter if, when you. This is what I try to explain to people, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

When you have the momentum, you're gonna have it because the momentum is going to swing. You get it, they get it. You get it, they get it. How much separation can you put between you and the team when you have the momentum? Because they're going to get it back at some point. Absolutely. And if you haven't put enough momentum, if you haven't put enough space separation, they're going to come back and bite you.

[Ocho]

Well, you would think with that momentum, you would think a 176 lead is enough, is enough space to not lose the game. But you have JJ come, come together in that fourth quarter, it's like, right, well, who the hell is.

[Ty]

Well, if you think about oo, that's really, that's not, I mean 17 six, that's really a, a touchdown, a two point conversion in the field goal. It's not like the Ravens last night. The Ravens were up 15 with under five minutes to go and so now oo, you need a touchdown, you need two touchdowns and a two point conversion just to get even. Yeah, just to get even. So that was a little bit more formidable especially. And it's still like you said, it's the fourth quarter.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Ty]

But I thought that was a more of seemingly an insurmountable lead than what we saw tonight. But considering you got a rookie.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Who hadn't been doing much, that is. Look, no matter what you thought about Buffalo, that they do have the reigning mvp. Yeah, they do have a guy that, you know, he can go crazy. We haven't seen, we haven't seen anything from JJ McCarthy that would make us think that the Minnesota had that in him. Other than pride, other than this was the division rival and hey, we know them, they know us. Because guess what, Ben Johnson, he was at, he was at Detroit last year. So offensively, even though he's at another team, Brian Flores already know what he's going to run because I've been coaching against this guy for the last two, three years, so I know what, I know who and what he is. The only thing change is the color of the uniforms. Now, now o' Connell is going to have to go back and fill out look as a DA and see what he ran when he was in New Orleans. You know, maybe pull out some tape when he was the head coach at the Raiders or old footage of when he was in D.C. at Denver. But for the most part, they know this offense. They know Chicago's offense because they. Flores has been coaching against Ben Johnson for two to three years. But I was, I was very, I was very disappointed in what I saw from Chicago. Oo, offensively, you think so? Yeah. You got two. Number one. Okay. You got Roman Dun, number one pick. You got DJ Moore, you got Cold K, you got Zakas, you got Loveland, and you got the number one pick in the draft. And you rebuilt your offensive line. You spent $94 million. 55 of it goes this year towards that offensive line. And the offensive line doesn't look any better.

[Ocho]

Yeah. You all right?

[Ty]

You had Chicago. You say Chicago was your surprise team.

[Ocho]

I, I did. I did.

[Ty]

You did. I mean, so you should be surprised. Also.

[Ocho]

They look like this to me. To me. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. I'm throwing caution to win simply because it's week one. That's all. That's all. And I've done that. You notice when it comes to the week one games.

[Ty]

Yes.

[Ocho]

I haven't been do too crazy the way the Dolphins look. The chance of them actually looking that bad again in back to back weeks is slim. None. It's the NFL. So because it's week one, I've given almost every team some grace. Now we get down the road, Duncan. We, we in week three and we, we in week three or week four and, and stuff is looking like, like what we saw tonight, allowing teams to come back from, you know, being down in the deficit like that and they come back and win in the fourth quarter. What happened the other night with, with Baltimore.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Scoring 16 points in a four minute span in an NFL game in one quarter.

[Ty]

They scored 22 points in the fourth quarter. They scored 28 in the second half.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, we talk about in a, in, in real life, not a video game. Real life.

[Ty]

Yeah. You know Josh, because Josh had like 240 something passing yards if I'm not mistaken. In the fourth quarter alone it was crazy.

[Ocho]

But, but again, week one, eh. I'm, I'm gonna give him, I'm gonna give the Bears really some grace. Watching Caleb Williams made some good throws, had to run for his life. He had to be Houdini.

[Ty]

Yeah, man. Oh my goodness.

[Ocho]

And I, I don't know. Joe, Joe, Joe Tuni would, would, would be the, the captain, left guard. I mean, yeah, he would be the, the leader of that, that offensive line.

[Ty]

And I think Jonah Jackson they got from the Rams, I think Delman or Dalman, I'm not sure. I, I'm just, I've just glanced at his name when he was on the back because it was, you know, you could see it and the next thing you know, it was sideways. I couldn't see it because he was chasing somebody that was going by. But this is not, no, this is not what Ben Johnson envisioned. Like you said, it is the first game. But I just thought I would see, I would see more, I would see better from what I saw from the Chicago, from the Chicago Bears. But give Minnesota credit. They go on the road basically with a rookie quarterback and they get a very hard fought division, a division win. So they're tired with Green Bay one and over top the division and the Bears and The Lions are 0 and 1. They're at the bottom of the division.

[Ocho]

Oh, foreign.

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