BEST OF NFL Week 11 Part 1: Shedeur Named QB1, A.J. Brown DRAMA, & Fields BENCHED!

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Host: Shannon Sharpe (with guest "Ocho")
Date: November 19, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Shannon Sharpe and his co-host ("Ocho") break down the hottest storylines from NFL Week 11, including Shedeur Sanders’ first NFL action, the ongoing A.J. Brown situation in Philadelphia, and debates surrounding quarterback preparation and team dynamics. The hosts deliver candid, insider perspectives on coaching decisions, player development, and the reality of NFL locker rooms, with signature humor and depth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Shedeur Sanders’ NFL Debut: QB Preparation Controversy

[03:01 - 11:24, 24:59 - 35:20]

• Debut Details: Shedeur entered the game after Dylan Gabriel's concussion, posting a rough stat line (4 of 16, 47 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT). The panel scrutinizes the coaching staff and Browns’ lack of QB2 preparation.

  • Shannon Sharpe: “For Kevin Stefanski to say the first time that Shedeur Sanders had taken a snap with the starters…was in this game is malpractice.” [03:30]
  • Both hosts question why Shedeur was thrown in without practice reps with the starting offense, calling it fundamentally unfair and setting him up for failure.

• Importance of 1st-Team Reps:

  • Ocho: “This ain’t Madden…you don't just take out one quarterback and put another in and expect success, especially when you haven’t had any reps with the ones…” [04:54]
  • They discuss how established QBs (Brady, Peyton, Brees) always consult with offensive staff to build gameplans around their strengths—a luxury Shedeur did not have.

• Chemistry and Cadence:

  • The analysts stress the necessity of QB-receiver chemistry and even offensive line familiarity with cadence, noting Wyatt Teller’s comments about Shedeur’s cadence post-game [24:59].
  • Sharpe: “For a quarterback, Ocho, not to get no reps. I’m talking about none… that makes no sense.” [09:53]

• Unfair Assessment:

  • Sharpe: “To ask Shedeur to get in a game in which he has not taken any snap from the center… and expect him to work a miracle… if I were to give him a grade, I would say incomplete.” [32:00]

• Takeaways: Both hosts agree fans should temper criticism and expect improvement next start if Shedeur gets practice time with the first team.

2. Miles Garrett: Defensive Dominance & Team Frustration

[16:53 - 24:38]

• Miles Garrett’s performance and Defensive Player of the Year candidacy are highlighted, but with concern for his talents being "wasted" on a non-contender.

  • Sharpe: “For a man his size to move like he does…he has no weakness because he can turn power to speed, speed to power…” [20:19]
  • Debate ensues over whether defensively dominant players deserve more recognition even if their team isn’t winning.

• Sharpe: “At what point in time does Miles Garrett say, man... I ain't even sniffing the playoffs. My season is already over.” [22:57]

3. Deep Dive: Quarterback-Receiver Relationships

[27:34 - 33:46]

• Audio from Shedeur Sanders and Miles Garrett gives an inside look at the mental and emotional challenges of sudden responsibility and team expectations.

  • Shedeur Sanders (clip): “I like knowing every detail about my receivers…I know, you know, we at the bottom right now, this performance, everything, it’ll never be like this, but…I’m dedicated to being able to get those opportunities with those guys…” [27:34]
  • Miles Garrett (clip): “Don’t be discouraged from no one drive or two drives. It’s a team game, so we’re all in this together.” [28:58]

• Both hosts emphasize trust and timing between QBs and receivers, and how elite QBs won’t play with unproven receivers in crucial moments.

• Sharpe: “Do you think Tom Brady would allow some receiver that he didn’t throw to during the course of the week to be out there on Sunday?...Because he wouldn’t trust you.” [30:48]

4. Eagles vs. Lions, AJ Brown Drama, and Play Calling Issues

[39:59 - 63:27]

• Quick game summary: Eagles win 16-9 in tough weather; defense shines, offense struggles, A.J. Brown limited despite 11 targets.

• Examination of the reported closed-door meeting between A.J. Brown and Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie over Brown’s frustrations about his role:

  • Sharpe: “How many times have you ever heard of Jeffrey Lurie…meet with a player about something he was posting on social media…?” [56:44]
  • The hosts agree Brown’s social media frustrations have been simmering since last season and note this offense isn’t designed for monster receiving stats.

• Play Calling Predictability:

  • Ocho: “If I can tell you based on A.J. Brown’s alignment exactly what route he’s running…what do you think those…playing across from him are doing?” [62:16]
  • He and Sharpe both identify lack of offensive creativity and predict offense will need to evolve when the defense isn’t bailing them out.

• Dome (indoor) teams vs. weather:

  • Sharpe discusses the challenge for dome teams like the Lions playing on the road in bad weather come playoff time.

• Outlook: The Eagles win ugly, but are getting vital experience and may evolve at the right time. Lions’ dependency on conditions highlighted.

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Notable Quotes

• On Shedeur’s Preparation

  • “You don’t just take out one quarterback and put another quarterback in and expect success…especially when you haven’t had any reps with the ones.” – Ocho [04:54]
  • “If I were to give him a grade, I would say incomplete. Incomplete.” – Sharpe [32:00]

• On NFL Backup QBs:

  • “Imagine showing up your first day of class and the teacher gave you a test, and you don't know what the hell is on.” – Sharpe [33:19]

• On Miles Garrett:

  • “He is so…for a man his size to move like he does…when it comes to rushing, he has no weakness.” – Sharpe [20:19]
  • “I want to see him on the all-time stage. I want to see him in an AFC or NFC championship game. I want to see him in the Super Bowl.” – Sharpe [24:17]

• On Jalen Hurts/Eagles Offense:

  • “He's not going to go out there and throw for no 400, 500 yards. That’s not the offense…But when times come and you put him in situations where he has to beat you with his arm, we’ve seen him do it.” – Ocho [58:55]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Shedeur & Browns QB controversy: [03:01 - 11:24], [24:59 - 35:20]
• Miles Garrett DPOY Talk: [16:53 - 24:38]
• First-hand from Shedeur & Garrett (audio): [27:34 - 29:27]
• QB-Receiver Chemistry, Practice Realities: [29:27 - 33:46]
• Eagles-Lions recaps & A.J. Brown discussion: [39:59 - 63:27]
• Eagles’ offensive predictability, Brown’s alignment: [62:16 - 63:44]

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Tone & Language

• Casual, humorous, and direct with plenty of insider football wisdom.
• Sharpe and Ocho use anecdotes, personal experience, and relatable metaphors.
• Several moments where they “keep it real” about locker room politics and the realities hiding behind public storylines.

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Memorable Moments

• "Test without a syllabus": Sharpe's vivid metaphor for Shedeur’s unpreparedness (33:19).
• AJ Brown owner meeting: Rare public confirmation and discussion of a star WR meeting face-to-face with ownership over social media griping (56:44).
• "Route recognition": Ocho’s critical breakdown of the Eagles’ predictable play calling (62:16).

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For listeners:

This episode offers deep football insight on everything from sideline relationships to why backup QBs often fail (it’s not "Madden"), and candid, behind-the-scenes discussion of NFL star frustrations. Whether you're tracking the Browns' QB drama, Eagles’ championship hopes, or just love raw NFL talk, this is a can’t-miss conversation.

Transcript

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[Sports Analyst 2]

Hello, it's your favorite sports funk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're going to make Ocho cry. Ocho. The Ravens beat the Brown Browns by the score of 2316. But what overshadowed that was Shador Sanders getting his first taste of NFL action. Dylan Gabriel got concussed in the third quarter and went out of the ball game. Excuse me. And did not return. Shador came in. Jador stats was 4 of 16, 47 yards, 0 touchdown and interception. He had a couple of opportunities late in the ball game. He had a couple of drops. He had a couple of drops. Look, and listening to. I found it on social media for Kevin Stefanski to say the first time that Shador Sanders had taken a snap with the starters, with the ones was in this game is malpractice at no point in time. And this is what I said, Ocho. So at no point in time. So you don't think Dylan Gabriel could possibly get hurt. He can't possibly bring a knee, bring a shoulder, get concussion. There's no possible way anything could possibly go wrong that you want to get. Shadua, like one reps with the ones, two reps with the ones. I ain't saying split it 50, 50. I understand that. But even when John was taking the majority of the reps, John, if we did 10 reps in a period, the backup would take two just in case. So for Shador Sanders, the Here we are in week 11. The man got drafted in May and at no point in time had he taken one snap with the ones is very, very disappointing.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You know, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Look, not, not only is it disappointing, right? And a lot of people say, hey, listen, yo, you and uncle, we were, you were screaming for Shador to start. You wanted to get in there and look at, look at his stat line. Look at, look at what he did. Well, obviously I'm, I'm confused and I'm trying to understand this. This ain't Madden. You don't, you don't just, you don't Just take out one quarterback and put another quarterback in and expect success to happen. Especially when you haven't had any reps with the ones when it comes to the play calling. When it comes to the play calling, what play calls are you going to be able to call for a quarterback that hasn't had any reps with the ones you don't know what he does well, what he doesn't done, what he, you don't know what he does well. You don't know what he, what, what, what he's not going to be good at because there's, there's no chemistry. There's no chemistry. So you're just out there calling plays all willy nilly, not knowing how the offense can run. And I know as a quarterback you're supposed to be, you're supposed to be prepared. You're supposed to know, you know, if the opportunity presents itself, you got to be able to go in there and do what you can do. But like, come on. No, no reps at all.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Let me ask you a question.

[Sports Analyst 1]

No reps, huh?

[Sports Analyst 2]

No, but let me ask you this. Normally on Saturday, Dylan, on Sunday morning, Dylan Gabriel will tell Stefanski, these are things that I really like.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Every quarterback does that. Every quarterback does that, huh?

[Sports Analyst 2]

Every quarterback does that. So do you think he had any idea of the plays that Shador likes?

[Sports Analyst 1]

No.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Or he's just going to call plays, Just, oh, here's my play sheet that I'm calling because you build your play, you build your play sheet around the quarterback and what he likes, what he's, what, what he's good at, what you know he's good at. You don't even know what you're good at. Now it's going to be very interesting. Look at this play now. You got, you got three guys blocking one guy and somebody about to come in and hit your door dead in his mouth. Now what should have happened, it was a redirect. You slide the line to the left and now guess what? You got the guard or the center to hit that guy that's looping around. And now you're protected. But hey, the, the, the, the, the old line is going to have to make calls until Shador gets get, get.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Catch up, get in the catches up there.

[Sports Analyst 2]

He's not there right now to say no, no, no, no, no. I want you to go here. Hey, redirect, redirect. Let's Liz this, let's list this, let's Lucy this. Now we're gonna slide the line to the left. Now we're gonna take hey, you only got one guy rushing on the right. Why the hell we got three guys? And now we got a guy finna come in here and try to put his helmet up on the Shador's chin. So it's going to be very interesting this week. I'm sure Gabriel is going to be in protocol. We'll see if he, if Shador is going to get the start against. I think they play the Raiders. Ocho. I think they play the Raiders. We'll see if he gets the start against the Raiders and he'll get an opportunity to take all the reps, all the ones. And Stefanski will have an idea what he likes and we'll call plays accordingly.

[Sports Analyst 1]

That's. And honestly, it's very important too for Stefanski to understand and know what his quarterback likes to do because it allows you to call plays and put him in advantageous situations for you. It just makes your job easier. It just makes your job easier as a head coach and for a quarterback to know what he likes so the offense is able to run smooth. I mean, it's really easy. It's not about Dylan Gabriel, it's not about Shador Sanders. It's about putting our players in, in positions for them to succeed and give us our best chances to win. That's. That's all.

[Sports Analyst 2]

I give you a prime example. Oo when I wasn't the starter my first couple of years, they would put me in the game. But when I came in the game, guess what? I know we going run because they say, okay, when you come in the game, this is what we're running. This is going to be your opportunity to make a play. They got a small cornerback. We're gonna throw the fade. I don't care what the coverage is coming to you, we're expecting you to go up over the top of it. Okay? In this situation, we're gonna bump this coverage. If they bump with it, that means this man coverage, you're going to be one on one, inside leverage, linebacker with inside leverage. So we're going to call a play where you're breaking away. So I knew now if I'm just like all of a sudden going to game and they're not calling plays for me, I just got, I just with with now quarterbacks always, you go listen to Brady, you go listen to Manny, go listen to breathe. And any Big Ben, any of these quarterback, they say, me and the offensive coordinator, we went over that the Saturday night or, or day. Day of the game. This is what I really like. Normally it's Saturday night. And you come and say, okay, so what do you like? So Braden and. And Manny would say, I got these. Well, Manny called his own thing. So let's. Let's do Brady Breeze and all these other guys. There's like, this is what I like. This is what I like at this. 31 to 3, 33 to 5, 35 to 7. This is what I really, really like now. This is what I like a. In this area of the field. This is what I like in the red zone. This is what I like out of this personnel, because I feel out of this personnel, we're more likely to get this coverage, which gives us a benefit or that gives us an advantage. So all that's going through the mind. But for a quarterback, Ocho not to get no reps. I'm talking about none. He said it. Yeah, See, and I was like, what? I mean, listen to Mary Kay Cavity looking to listen to people that they're. They're saying Shador is not getting any reps. As a matter of fact, Bailey. It'll be very interesting, and somebody should have asked him. Well, let me ask you this, Coach Stefanski. Did Bailey zappy get any reps with the ones? Because it makes no sense if Bailey zappy is getting reps with the ones. And then why would you push your door in that situation? Why not have Bailey zappy as two?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, and it's funny. And you know what? To piggyback off, what you said about quarterbacks, you know, having those conversations with coaches before games start on plays that they're comfortable with and some of the things that they want to do for one, especially early in the game, to get them in the rhythm. And you mentioned Brady and hell, I was there. I was there for that. I've seen it with my own eyes. I've seen it the night before in the hotel on Saturdays. Brady before. When the meeting ends, Bill o', Brien, the receiver and Tom Brady sit there. They go over the plays that he likes, and Bill o' Brien will run off plays. He'll. He'll call out plays. And Brady, you know what?

[Sports Analyst 2]

I don't.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I don't like that one. You know, let's save that one, you know, for later on the game in a certain situation when we may need it. And he had those first. Those first 15 plays that he really, really likes and he's comfortable with and that. And that's what they would go with.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah, that's how it should be.

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[Sports Analyst 2]

Excludes Massachusetts because at the end of the day, you got to run with the quarterbacks, feel comfortable with. You got to set your ego aside sometimes, you know, we, we want to bring our ego to the party, but it's not your party. So you don't get to dress how you want to. We said this is a 80 things party. Don't you bring your ass in here without a wig, without a afro and some platform shoes on. No choice of mailbox. You know what I'm saying? This is not your party. So you, you, you, you call plays accordingly because if the quarterback is telling you what he likes in certain situations, he's going to feel the most comfortable when you call that. He's going to be the most assured of himself and the offense. If you call that, I'm glad. Like, like I said, hopefully Dylan Gabriel's okay. First of all, let's start with that because I'm not, I'm not big and hoping somebody gets hurt and. And somebody else gets an opportunity. Sometimes that happens. Sometimes players go down and then other players get their opportunity. That's how Brady got his opportunity. Someone went down and he made the most of it. I got my opportunity, someone went down and I made the most of it. But, but, you know, some. In order to seem like in order for Shador to get in, Dylan Gabriel had to get ding. Hopefully he's okay. Maybe he comes back. Maybe he comes back this week and we're back to square one. Oo Dylan Gabriel's in there taking all the ones and we moving forward, we don't know. We'll see how this thing plays out if he's still in protocol. But I think now that you, you're in a situation where there's a great chance, I believe there's a greater than 50 chance that you're gonna start because I don't care what anybody says, you pair, you prepare differently as a starter than you do a backup.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You just not, not only do you prepare differently from the starter to the backup, but the play calling changes significantly. The play calling completely changes completely. Different game plan depending on who you have a quarterback based on their skill sets and what they're able to do.

[Sports Analyst 2]

I told. I totally agree. But you know, things are a lot faster now in the NFL than they are in college guys. Move faster. Got you. You got to throw guys open. I like that guy. He threw the Fanning, the tight end.44 on the crosser on the. The dagger route. I thought he'd throw that with timing. He hit Jew with one, and Jew made a great move. He had another one. A couple of guys dropped 1. 84, had one in his hand. But give a woozy credit.

[Sports Analyst 1]

He's great. Play by woozy.

[Sports Analyst 2]

That was a great play.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Great.

[Sports Analyst 2]

That was a great play. But when you have a young player in there, having been in situations where you're the veteran guy and you have a young guy and you have to make plays for him, you understand that he's nervous. I don't care what anybody says. He's nervous. I've been here before. I've been doing this all my life. You ain't been doing it on this level all your life. You ain't did it like this with those guys all your life. So hopefully he gets an opportunity, another opportunity. He'll be better prepared than he was, and we'll get a different result also in this game. Miles. Miles. Gary.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Hey, man. Hey. He the real deal.

[Sports Analyst 2]

We gonna break. He got seven games to go, so he needs. He needs eight sacks to break the record.

[Sports Analyst 1]

He. He might very well get that. He might very.

[Sports Analyst 2]

And don't. They got the Ravens again.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Hey, he might. He might.

[Sports Analyst 2]

They got the ra. Hold up. I think they got Pittsburgh. They got y' all again.

[Sports Analyst 1]

He definitely might because he had three today, right? Did he have three or four?

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah. Oh, they got the. At the Raiders. They get the 49ers. Titans at home, they're at the Bears. They get the Bills at home, they get the Steelers at home, they get the Bengals.

[Sports Analyst 1]

And now the. Now the best matchup at everybody you said will be. Probably will be a matchup to watch would be Miles Garrett and Dion Dawkins. Miles Garrett and Dion Dawkins Every. Everybody else on there, and there's no disrespect to them, but you got your hands full.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Oh, everybody got their hands.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You got. You got your hands full. And I.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Obviously, what's called Big Trent got his hands. Oh, yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Oh, shoot.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah. Everybody got their hands full. Colton Miller, everybody. Cause he kicking everybody. He's a. He's on. He's on one of those. He's on one of those. On one of those stairs right now. It doesn't matter who's in front of him. He don't even see you. He doesn't even see you. I'm being honest, having been around Having played against great pass rushes, the Reggie Whites, the Bruce Smith, the Derek Thomas. I played against Leslie o'. Neal. Go look him up. If you don't know the Greg Townsend, all those guys, the Michael Stray hands, when they get into a rhythm.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, it ain't nothing you could do.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Nothing you could do. It's just like a guy shooting a basket. Like Jordan. They say Jordan getting a zone or Steph getting in the zone. Does it matter if you put your hand. You know, they put the hand in his face. Like. I don't see. He ain't even looking at you. He looking at the rim and he's throwing. He's throwing a pebble in the ocean. That's how big it looks to him. There's a chance, Ocho, it haven't happened. I don't think it's happened since 92, when Cortez Kennedy won the Defensive Player of the Year on a losing team. I think they were 2 and 14, and Ted's won Defensive Player of the Year. That might happen because right now, Miles.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Gary is the best defensive player, easily and without question.

[Sports Analyst 2]

I mean. I mean, he is so. Man, he is so. For a man his size to. To. To move like he does, the way he can bend, the way he can change the direction, the way he can post with one arm, the way he can. Hey, he faking. I mean, he lining up and he. Ah, ah. He in and out. He's wax on, wax off. He ripping. He been to the edge. He can hump you.

[Sports Analyst 1]

He can got a night.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Hey, he. He. He has. When it comes to. When it comes to rushing, the. He has no weakness because he can turn power. He can turn power to speed, speed to power. He just. He can snatch, pull you. He's just. He's just amazing. He's.

[Sports Analyst 1]

He's.

[Sports Analyst 2]

He's. And I just hate. I just hate that he ain't gonna win. Not even.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Listen, he might not win as a team collectively, but he's gonna win individually. He's gonna win individually every, every time. And sometimes in a winning effort defensively, sometimes in the losing effort. But what you get from Miles Garrett is you get consistency. You get consistency from him, and he's going to be an impact. Sometimes that impact, it results in wins, sometimes it doesn't. But he's a force to be working. He's a force to be reckoned with week in and week out.

[Sports Analyst 2]

And the thing is, Ocho, but when we talk about great defenders, when it comes to D lineman, what did all of them do? Win.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 2]

What did Reggie do?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 2]

What did Strahan do? What did Aot do? What did Aaron Donald Do? J.J. watt, you. You've got. You've got.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, but, you know, you know, I'm.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Not saying you got to win a championship, but it's. I'm not saying you got to win that.

[Sports Analyst 1]

It's unfair.

[Sports Analyst 2]

You going 3 and 14. You going, hey, 5 and 12.

[Sports Analyst 1]

But it's unfair. It's unfair. You have to think about the situation those players. Those players were in. You ever think about the team that they were on collectively, know, as a group? So they won because of the team that they were a part of. There. There was an effort on both sides of the ball, you know, especially for Aaron Donald, Michael Strahan. Look at the defense back then. Look at the offense with Eli Manning, some of the things they were doing, you know, during that time. Hell, Reggie White.

[Sports Analyst 2]

But you got to realize.

[Sports Analyst 1]

With Reggie White, man.

[Sports Analyst 2]

You got to think about what the. What the. The. The Giants were before they got.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Sports Analyst 2]

You got to realize what they. Before they got Kerry Collins and ended up going to the Super Bowl. They weren't going to. They weren't going to no playoffs in the 90s. They weren't like that.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Hey, all it takes is a quarterback.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Straight was doing it.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

[Sports Analyst 2]

But. And. And. And guess what? Reggie got tired of losing. Reggie said, I'm going to Green Bay. Yeah, the money. They. They had money, but they had more money on at other places. I want to win. Time said Babe Atlanta. Y' all trying to get me used to losing. I want to win.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Got him.

[Sports Analyst 2]

So at what point in time does Miles Garrett say, man, here I am. I'm getting 23, 24 sacks, and I ain't even. I ain't even. I ain't even. I ain't even sniffing the playoffs. I'm not even close to the playoffs that my season is already over. Think about it, Ocho. When we ate 10 games into the season and the Cleveland already know they're eliminated from.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I mean, that. That's crazy. That's crazy.

[Sports Analyst 2]

You. Six games, six weeks into the season. Oo, we got. Oo, we got 11, 12 weeks to go. All right. Hey, man, let me see what.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Let me see what I'm. And the funny thing about it is there were teams that tried to get him before the trade deadline. There were teams that tried to get him. And listen, I don't. I don't know the details. I'm. I'm not an insider. I don't. I don't have the sources. But you know, the Browns weren't going to do that. I. I don't think there's anything a team could offer them where they would have done it because I think a team that really.

[Sports Analyst 2]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't think. I don't think. I be personally, I don't think he. He wanted to leave on a great pace right now. I think that's something they might revisit in the. Cuz I'm gonna make. Hey, I'm gonna make you tell me like Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. You gonna have to tell me. No, I'm. You gotta tell me though. You gotta tell me. No, I ain't gonna lie to you. You got to tell me though. Cause he's a man. He's a hell of a. He's a hell of a. Hell of a player.

[Sports Analyst 1]

The real deal.

[Sports Analyst 2]

And he got an opportunity. He's gonna go down as. As one of the all time great. But I want to see him. I want to see him on the all time. I want to see him on a big stage. I want to see him in a. A AFC or NFC championship game. I want to see him in the Super Bowl. I want everybody to see Miles Garrett. Not just. I want him to see just how special he is.

[Sports Analyst 1]

And I have to see it watching highlights because you got to watch it exactly. You know, as. As great as he is. I mean, how many people are tuning in to see the Cleveland Browns play outside of Brown fans. Unless. Unless it's the team that they're playing. Unless the team that they're playing that week is playing the Browns. That's about the. That's about the only time.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yep. Going back to Shador. Wyatt Teller said after the game. This is what he said. Wyatt Taylor said on Shador. I think I've heard his catered like two or three times. I think it's going to come. I think going out at halftime we all got on the line. He said his cadence and we're kind of okay. Got through it again a lot of learning but we. But he played his heart out. We just fell short. Gabriel got practice snaps as a backup with Flacco at QB1. Stefanski wasn't even getting Shador, his backup, at least minimal reps during the course of the week. I get Flacco to a certain extent Ocho because Flacco is a veteran. Gabriel isn't a veteran. And you want to try to get him as many reps as you possibly can. But at some point in time I'M not saying you split it 50, 50. I'm not even saying you split it 60, 40, but you can't. You can't find a way to get that man two reps in a peach. So the offensive line, the. The running backs, and everybody can hear his cadence and understand that because that's very important. Some people have a slow cadence, some people have a fast cadence. You got. And you need to be able to hear it. So I was, I was surprised that, that Stefanski said that. Man, since the man got drafted, you know, they had to draft.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I know how long ago it was.

[Sports Analyst 2]

And today is the day is Sunday, 16th, November 16th, June, July, August, September, October, November. So see. But you have to understand the first time that man got first team reps was today in an actual game against a division.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You have to understand that that wasn't their call. That is not the player that they wanted. They had. They had their mind made up. They had their mind set on who they wanted to be, you know, quarterback number one. Obviously, it was Joe Flacco. When things didn't work out with Joe Flacco, they were going to Dylan Gabriel as their. As their. As their quarterback. Yeah, they did. They. They just didn't see Shador Sanders in hands, you know, now that. That's their business. That's. That's the way they felt. Now things have come to a head where Dylan Gabriel went out with a concussion, hoping. I'm hoping he's okay and he can get back to the regularly scheduled program for the Browns, being that he is the one that they want to be their starter. So I'm hoping he's okay and he's able to come back once he clear concussion protocol. But now, if Dylan Gabriel is out now, Shador has a whole week. He has a whole week to get all those things down, to get that rhythm, to get that timing, get that chemistry with the receivers, with the lineman, so they can hear that cadence and understand. Understand, you know, the sound and. And how he going to call those plays in the huddle and obviously at the line of scrimmage.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Let's take a listen to what Shador had to say after the game, Ocho. But it's different when it's different body types going out there, a different way, how people get out of routes. Like, what I seen on the pick initially was I see his hips turn, so I'm like, okay, we're gonna be able to get out there. But at the same time, like, playing quarterback is extremely hard. So it's like, I like knowing Every detail about my receivers, I like knowing the small things, what they're good at, what they're not good at. It's like so many details that, that helps me play confident with those guys. And I know, you know, we at the bottom right now, this performance, everything, it'll never be like this, but, you know, I'm dedicated to being able to get those opportunities with those guys to have a relationship. You know, I got relationship with all the hungry dogs, though. We let clockwork out there, but you just gotta see. You just gotta see everything a little bit more, you know, make them come out roster, do all different type of stuff. So you want to go to the next sound. Before we respond to this, let's take a listen to what Miles Garrett had to say about Shador after the game. Don't be discouraged from no one drive or two drives. You know, it's a good football team over there. So just trying to keep him, to keep his confidence high and, you know, keep on chasing that standard which he set and we're going to continue to support him. You know, he spoke after the game and, you know, he, he wanted to pin it on, you know, himself and his performance, but we're not going to allow him to do that. You know, it's. It's a team game, so we're all in this together. Said he addressed the entire team in the locker room.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Hey, you know what, too unk as a receiver and unc. You can attest to this and with great understanding. And those of you in the chat that are listening, I don't think they understand how important it. To have a cadence with your receivers, to understand and to work with them, you know, throughout the week. So to understand their movements, you know, their tendencies and when they're going to break, when they're going to get out and being able to. Being able to throw the ball. I think people think you just, you get out there and you just throw the ball to your receivers and it's just that easy. It's just that easy. But there's a timing and cadence to it and rhythm to it. That that's why you always hear players talk about throwing with your quarterback and, you know, in off season and throwing with him in practice and, and getting those, getting those reps. So everything flows smooth in the middle of a game when everything is sped up times 10. And you can, you can tell and you know when a player's about to break based on his mannerism, based on his body language. And I think people watching the game of football thinking Just so easy, you know, you get the ball and you just throw it and the guy has to get open. But that. That's not the way it works when you have other players.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Everything is easy that you can't do. Huh? Everything is easy that you can't do.

[Sports Analyst 1]

What you mean? I know what you. Yeah, I know what you mean.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Those that can do. Those that can't. Talk about others that can do.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, you. You right. You're right.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Let me ask you a question, Ocho. You played with Tom Brady. Do you think Tom Brady would allow some. Some receiver that he didn't throw to during the course of the week to be out there on the field with him on Sunday?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Because he wouldn't trust you.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Thank you. Neither would Peyton Manning, neither would John Elway. Because if there's a chance that you're going to get your ass in the game, you best believe John Elway was going to see you run a dig and cut or over route, a slant, a comeback, a stop, a smoke, a shake. He's going to see you do it in practice. And guess what? When it comes time to one on one, guess what he's going to say. Hey, no, don't worry at. Let him get up there. I want to see what he can do. I've been with you for seven years. I've been with you.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I know what you can do.

[Sports Analyst 2]

I. But he's gonna wanna see what those guys can do. Because if I got to go out there and battle with you on Sunday, I need to know I can trust you. I need to see some mannerisms. Hey, you tell him, bro. Let me know when you gonna break out, bro. I got to know when you're gonna break out. You just can't do that. Make sure you get your depth. Hey, I can't. I can't. Listen, this is seven on seven. I can't be. Pardon the language chat. I can't be back here jacking his ball off. Which means he can't be.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Hey, all that patting, you get your head knocked off.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Oh, no, you get your head knocked off. No, he can't do that. And you hear me say, guys, what y' all think this is? Seven on seven? No, that ball's got to come out. One, two, three balls out. One, two, three, four, five balls out. So to ask your door to get in a game in which he has not taken any snap from the center. He hasn't thrown to Judy. He hadn't thrown the hannity. He hadn't thrown to any of those guys. And expect him to Work a miracle. We're not making excuses. But look, as time progresses, he getting more and more time. We'll be able to fairly grade him on his performance. But I think it's unfair to give him a grade. If I were to give him a grade, I would say incomplete. Incomplete.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Hey, listen. Hey, hold on.

[Sports Analyst 2]

We asked him to take a test. We asked.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Without studying. Without. Without studying. I mean, that's unfair. If you. Listen, if you're gonna give me an assignment right, at least give me the curriculum. Give me the curriculum that I can properly study so I can pass the goddamn test. That's all. Make it. Make it fair. Make it fair for me. Just don't throw me. Hey, don't throw me out there blind.

[Sports Analyst 2]

I give you Chad. I don't know how many you guys went to college. I don't know how many you. I'm sure a lot of you guys went to high school. Imagine showing up your first day of class and the teacher gave you a.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Test, and you don't know what the hell is on.

[Sports Analyst 2]

No, no, no, no, no. You know, the cl. The class. You in the history class, you in a science class, you're in a chemistry class. And the first day you show up and you go, whoa, whoa. What they do that is. Damn. Hell, I. You ain't even give me the syllabus. You didn't even tell me what we're gonna be doing. What we gonna be going over this quarter this semester. Hold on.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I'm gonna act like we in church now.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Go ahead. Yeah, it. It. It's tough chat and. Look, y' all know me. I. I'm not big on excuses. You either get it done or you don't. But having played this game, having been a guy that's been in the situation that you're doing, that didn't get a whole lot of reps, but. And when you don't get a whole lot of reps, it's hard to have confidence going into a game. I can just imagine playing the quarterback position and having to go in a game when you taking no reps. I've never thrown to Jerry Judy. The only thing I've thrown to Jerry Judy is pat and go in warming up. I've never thrown to these guys. The center has never snapped me the ball because normally when I'm throwing Pat and go Ocho, they throwing the ball underhand. The ball boys throwing me the ball underhanded. A center ain't doing that. The centers are down there.

[Sports Analyst 1]

The.

[Sports Analyst 2]

The linemen are down there working on some other stuff. So until we come as a team to stretch, then they go, do, you know, we, we break up and they go do their thing until we come together and do 907 or whatever we're gonna do. Or they got the individual peers and then we have our individual peers and then we come together. But I just think the thing is, is that, that he just needs some time. He needs to work with that offense. They need to get his used to his cadence. Stefanski needs to call plays according to what his skill set and what he likes, what he feels comfortable in. And um, I definitely think we'll see a better should door next week if he, if he's just. If he starts, I guarantee you we'll see a better should door than, than what we saw.

[Sports Analyst 1]

It's all about preparation, huh? It's all about preparation.

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[Sports Analyst 1]

You know, it's one thing when opportunity presents itself, if you're prepared, it looks different, you're a lot more confident. But if you don't know what to prepare for or don't have the tools at your disposal to be able to prepare for, say, a test, this is what you get.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Exactly. Ocho, you ain't winning war without the proper weapons. So. Cannons and musket. Nah. Dang. How they doing it now? They're doing it with drones. So.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Hey.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Hey. They dropping buck bump bunker busters from B52s. A bunker. A bunker buster. It's a, it's a whole. Yeah, they got those bombs now. Oo you drop because they people, you know, they done dug in the side of the cave, they drop them and they hey hey.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Mess up the whole bunker, huh?

[Sports Analyst 2]

And then explode. Oh.

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[Sports Analyst 1]

I turned off news altogether.

[Sports Analyst 2]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

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[Sports Analyst 2]

The Eagles defeat the Lions by the score of 16 to 9. Ocho. Me personally, I think that was a horrible pass interference call. That is a play on because you know, you it could have went either way but I don't Think in that. I don't. I personally don't think it was a PI. Oh, yes, I don't. But that's being said. The Eagles win this ball game. They moved to 8 and 2 with a 169 victory and the Lions dropped 6 and 4. Ocho. Yeah, we're going to talk about this a little later, but there was a meeting between A.J. brown and the owner, Jeffrey Lurie. We'll talk about that. So I chatted. Didn't happen because you know y' all gonna get mad at Ocho and I for talking about it. Y' all gonna say it didn't happen, although everybody has reported that it did happen. You keep telling Ocho and I there's nothing going on. But normally players and owners don't have closed door meetings. That's normal. I've never had a clue. I did once I was retired. You know what I'm saying? But anyway, Ocho, the Eagles did what they needed to do. Jalen Hurst was 14, 28, 135 yards, no touchdowns, no interception. Again, he didn't turn the ball over. He had one fumble, but they ended up recovering it. Saquon was 26 of 83. Nothing to write home about 40 rush attempts, 148 yards. The wind was gusting, I think probably excess of 30, 40 miles an hour, which made it difficult. And knowing what, you know, having played in Cincinnati, Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, where the wind swirls and it gets hard, you know, points are going to bring out a premium. And we know how Dan Campbell is, he's very aggressive. But I thought the night didn't call for aggressiveness because points were going to be a premium and it wasn't going to be a ball game, Ocho, where you're going to get 31, 28, 35, 34, something like that. So points were going to be at a premium. But what did you like about what you saw from.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I mean, listen, they were resilient. They were resilient. They obviously they weren't carried by the offense. The offense did just enough. A.J. brown had a. Had somewhat of a down night.

[Sports Analyst 2]

11 targets.

[Sports Analyst 1]

11 targets. He caught seven of those. He had 49 yards. I mean, Saquon, you know, had 26 carry for 83 yards. But the defense dominated. The defense dominated. The fact that is explosive as the Detroit Lions offense is. I mean, they were held in check. They were held in check. Golfers Golf was what, 14 for 37. He had one TD. He had an interception. They were able to help hold Gibbs. Sonic is. Is Gibbs Sonic. Hey, wait, listen. It was able to hold him 12 carry for 39 yards. No. Yeah, yeah. Wait, hold on.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he got it in the past. So he got. If you look at it, ocho, he had 107 yards receiving, five carries, five catches. So he got his. He got his yards from scrimmage. He just didn't get them the way we conventionally.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But that goddamn, that, that goddamn Eagles defense on, boy, them, boy, play some goddamn ball. Especially that front four. Jordan. Jordan Davis had him, had him a night tonight, Jalen.

[Sports Analyst 2]

How many balls did they bat down on Joe?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Five, six, seven, maybe. If I'm not mistake, maybe about seven, eight. Maybe about seven and eight.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Cause Jordan Davis, I think I saw him get three. Carter got three, got two, 97, got one. I mean, every time I turn around. And it's so frustrating, Ocho, because, you know, you like. Oh, yeah, I got it. Damn.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Matter of fact, listen, and all it is is just being able to disengage if you can't get to the quarterback. Use your eyes. Use your eyes. Hold your, hold your, hold your. Hold the offensive player out and play the passing lane. Play the passing lane with your hands and, you know, watch the quarterback's eyes. And it worked. It worked wonderfully. Jalen Phillips had a sack tonight. And listen, in the back end, they played very well as well. They played really, really good. I mean, honestly, it was a boring. It was somewhat of a boring game. It was a boring game. The elements played a factor in that, but I enjoyed it. And the fact that offensively, the Eagles didn't look to par as we like them to look, but they still got the most important stat.

[Sports Analyst 2]

They got the W. That's what they do. They're not. I mean, they don't. You know, there have been times they need to score 35 and they score 35, sometimes they need to score 10, they score 10, they do what is necessary to win, and they don't put themselves in harm's way. I just felt that Campbell was rolling the dice a little bit too early, too soon. There are times that, you know, punt the ball away and pin them down, make them go, don't give them a short field. Golf turned the ball over early, got. And I think they got three points out of that. But Detroit, they better get home field. Yeah. Because anybody. They could potentially play, unless it's the Rams, they're going to probably be outside. And the conditions, you know what the conditions are there in January, they're going to probably be like this, maybe even worse. So you don't know, because when you. When you look at the schedule, let's see, Philly is the 1 seed. Probably only going to get one team out of that division. Green Bay, Chicago. Those are two teams that could possibly get in. Guess what, Ocho? The weather is bad there. So Philly is bad. The Rams, Seattle. Seattle. You know, Seattle is terrible. Although they lost today. We'll talk about them. But I just thought you. Look, it's a lot. It's tough. I could just imagine, because Jalen hasn't answer questions, not about Detroit, but about AJ and he. And it's starting to bother me, like, man, I want to focus on Detroit. Ask me something about Detroit. And it's hard because they're making a conscious effort. They're putting plays in the game plan to make me. I ain't going through my progression. Throw it to AJ Throw it to AJ and that got golf into trouble because golf had a time. Had to tie in on a shallow cross. But he's looking for Almond Raw. What happens oo a lot of times when the tight end blocks, they're taught, unless the guy is covering him, mad. Unless he's green dogging. He's taught, okay, start looking for crosses. Start looking. And so what happened is that he blocked. The linebacker is not green dogging, which means he's not pressing. So he starts looking and dropping the coverage. He comes on the shell of cross, but ball. Yeah, but he's looking at Almond Rob because he'd already made his mind up where he's going with the football. And it's hard to undo that. And you see J. Montgomery is. Montgomery is jumping up in the damn near the middle of field like, I'm open. The tight end was scott free. You see golf playing with gloves on. But I think it just got frustrating because he had some opportunities, and then they bat the ball right back down his face like we were playing volleyball, beach volleyball. And it's. It's tough. It was frustrating to watch. But look, the Eagles are gonna. Look, the Eagles, they're not gonna win. Style points and winning is. This is not gymnastic. This is not swimming, you know, platform diamond or anything like that, where it's subjective. No, this is about wins and losses. And how do we get the win is unimportant. The most important thing is that we got the win, not how we got it. Is that.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 2]

And that's what the Eagles. That's what the Eagles do. Ocho. The Eagles win. It ain't pretty.

[Sports Analyst 1]

It's not pretty. And the one thing it's also when I'm thinking about a game like this, I'm thinking how Dan Campbell's thinking in a sense. You know what? I'm going to take some chances. I'm going to go for it on four down to see if I can get those points in premium due to the elements and force the Eagles to play a different style of game, force them to play a different style of game and put the pressure on them to be able to put points up and keep up with us. To me, that, that to me, that's the thinking and the way Dan Campbell might have been thinking on how he wanted to play this game. Let's get up early on them and force them to be able to throw the ball. Let's make them uncomfortable. Let's do. Let's put them in a position where they want to do something they don't want to do. And that's the only thing I think in the defense, they step up to the challenge. They step to the challenge and played extremely well.

[Sports Analyst 2]

If you got LaPorta, I give you that because he's a guy that can win against your linebackers, against your safeties. So I'll give you that. But given what you're up against, considering the elements, that probably 17 points would win you this ball game. The last thing you want to do is give away, give away field position and let them get easy points. If you. Ocho, if they drive the field and they get a field, they get a field goal. If they drive the field and they get a touchdown, I can live with that. But I can't put them on a short field and get. Let them get one field goal and now, excuse me, let them get one first down and now they're in field goal range or even if they don't score, they're going to have me backed up. And so now I'm constantly trying to swim up. I feel like a salmon spawning season. I feel like I'm swimming upstream and there's a lake full of bears. There's every, every they get full because they hibernate. They got to eat all they can because they about to go into hibernation. And that's what happened to the Detroit is that they gave the Eagles short fields and even when they didn't score points, Ocho it kept them backed up and they just needed, they just needed to start one. I mean they did a great job of stopping the tush push and got it and got a short field, ended up getting a field goal out of it. And but like I Said it had been very interesting to see if they don't call that PI call. Can they go down and get a touchdown? Put it like this. I'm not putting no money. That means something to me that they're going to go down and get a touchdown. You might put some money on it. That means something to you that says, okay, yeah, Detroit's going, Detroit's going to go down and get a touchdown.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You know what's funny is I don't, I don't think it would have made a difference. I don't think it would have made a difference whether it was a PR or not. I don't think they would have been able to get that touchdown as well as the damn Eagles played defense all night long, all four quarters. You know, it, it looked like, it looked like what it did. They were able to, they were able to get nine points. Nine points. We, we talk about a ramp, talk about the Rams, we talk about a Lions team that's, that's able to score, you know, in bulk there number two.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Have scored average a little, about, a little over almost 32 points a game.

[Sports Analyst 1]

So for, for them to come out today and I'm, I'm not going to blame the elements, I'm not going to blame the weather, you know, at all.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Because we, because both teams had to play.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Exactly. And we've seen them play in cold weather before and still be able to, to put up points, you know, at will. So I think the Eagles, they played one, one hell of a game on, on all three levels. On all three levels. They, they were phenomenal.

[Sports Analyst 2]

They did. And the thing is, Ocho, but you know about dome teams, there's a reason why dome teams don't go to the super bowl unless they're in their own building. Because when you have to go outside and you have to normally late January, the weather's bad, you go to Philly or you go to Cincinnati, you go to Pittsburgh, you go to Baltimore, you go to Kansas City. If you're a dawn weather team, it's really not conducive. Normally you look at the Rams, they got to the super bowl, how they had home field when they didn't have home field. It's tough. I mean the only warm weather team that I can remember going on the road to get to the super bowl is Tampa is when they went on the road to Philly and they beat Philly in Philly and it took a Herculean effort from the defense. Cause the offense really didn't do anything. Ronda Barbie ended up getting like a 90 yard pick six, something like that. But it's very tough. So Detroit got their work cut out for if they want to get to where they want to be. And it's not going to be easy because I don't know if you notice Chicago's playing really, really well. That quarterback is getting more and more comfortable.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Hold on.

[Sports Analyst 2]

And Green Bay has found a way to win. I was like, I mean, sometimes, I don't know. Jordan Love, you need to realize he had to go to the tent because all of a sudden he like, I'm Derrick Henry. Why? Oh, no, you're not. Until the tent, he went and ended up going inside until he figured out like, nah, bro, you can't, you can't take shots. Can't take shots on your shoulder like that. If you look at the Eagles, Ocho, they beating the Lions, the Packers, the Vikings, the Bucks, the Rams and the Chiefs, hey, with the exception of the Vikings, everybody else theoretically is still in playoff contentions. I mean, maybe the Vikings still are, but the Chiefs, although they're ninth in the division, all you need to takes is seven. They still, there's an outside chance that they could, you know, win the division. But the Rams, they're clearly in sole possession of because they beat the, they beat Seattle today. So to beat the Lions, to beat the packers, to beat the Bucks, to beat the Rams, to beat the Chiefs, that's a good football team. Now you just not gonna just go in there and willy nilly just, just go roll over. So if you think that's what's gonna happen, that ain't happening. They're too, they're very well coached. And I know a lot of people don't like their offense. And Kevin Petula, la la la. They're not, they're not gonna beat themselves. You're gonna have to beat them. Yeah. Jared Goff, worst completion percentage in a single game in his career. Ocho, 37.8% tonight, the ninth lowest mark by a quarterback who has at least 35 attempts since 2005. The Eagles defense did it again. So basically 148, 148 and 124. So they had about 270 yards. Hey, 270.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You know, it's funny, we, we, we have all this, all this discourse and all this talk about AJ Brown and the offense and it not living up to the standards and, and evolving as an offense as opposed to what they did last year. And Saquon really hasn't had a day yet. What we're used to seeing. I Think at some point they will hit they stride. At some point I think things are going to open up that often is, is going to change, especially I think it's going to start clicking when it matters most. Not only are they getting wins right now, they're getting the wins ugly, but I think at some point maybe that momentum or they catch fire at the right time when it, when it matters most now. I mean, obviously they're winning games ugly. The defense is carrying a load and probably the main or the majority reason why they're winning. But I think once the offense catches up to where the defense is and maybe just maybe just halfway, maybe just halfway, I think they're going to be a force to reckon with. Especially once they get to the goddamn playoffs. And there's a good chance if they keep playing like this defensively and if the offense gets any better or any more efficient, especially on the ground and the run and they have a healthy balance of both, man, it's going to be hell. It's going to be hell.

[Sports Analyst 2]

But we know at some point in time one team offense is going to have their way with that defense and then the offense is going to have to bail them out. We've seen it, we've seen it happen no matter what. Everybody, everybody has a game in which if whatever your strong suit is, you struggle and the other side of the ball needs to bail you out. And it's normally the side that has struggled. So the offense has really struggled, but the defense has been exemplary. So what happens when an offense, opposing team, offense has their way with that defense. And I'm saying, you know, somehow they get, you know, 28, get 31 points. Now we're going to need Caitlin to go match that and go get 32, get 33, get 34 points. So we know that game is coming. We don't know who is going to be. Maybe it's the Cowboys, because the Cowboys, that's a division rival game. Hey, you throw everything out of the window. Don't look how bad the Cowboys are. I know the Cowboys has played like some stir fry this year, but against a division opponent, you throw every, you throw, you throw everything out of the window. But that was a big win for the Eagles. 8 and 2 on the season. Dropped the Lions to 6 and 4 with a score of 16 to 9. Jordan Davis Ocho entered the night with three batted balls. He finished with the tie for the league lead with six. So he had three, Carter probably had two. 97, I think, I think that's Hunt. I'm not mistaken. Had. Had one. But they won. They, they, they played well. They. They handle the elements, the conditions better than Detroit did. Because, you know, you. How. How do I practice that, Ocho? I normally practice them atone. So they probably went outside. I'm sure they went outside in Detroit right now.

[Sports Analyst 1]

It's cold in Detroit.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

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[Sports Analyst 1]

And knowing. And knowing. Hey, listen, knowing Dan Campbell to. To get them ready for the elements and what you're going to have to. I mean, what is going to be like on Sunday? We're going to practice outside Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yep. Before the game, reports came out from espn. Sal Palantonio, the guy that knows all things Eagle, he's been covering the Eagles for probably 40 years. A.J. brown met with Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie during practice last week to hash out Brown's public frustration over his role in Philly's offense. During the 10 minute meeting, Brown promised Lori that he would stop complaining on social media. Brown told Lori that he just wants to be a part of an offense and is frustrated. All right. Hey, Eagle fan. Me and Ocho didn't know what we was talking about. We just making stuff up now. How many times, how many, how many times have you ever heard of Jeffrey Lurie? He's on this team for two decades. Met with a player about something that he was posting on social media. Met with a player about his role in the offense, his role in the defense. Eagle, this is a chat. This is only for Eagle fans. I don't want anybody else to chime in because OO and I, we just doing this for clicks. Mainly you, because oo. OO cool. We like oo, but it's mainly you. So, Eagles fans, I want y' all to tell me the time that your owner has met with a previous player over his role in the offense or the defense. I'm gonna give you a couple of minutes to chime in now. And I like a coacho. I understood from the beginning. My only thing was, I said, AJ is just that when you do this publicly.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Winning.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yes, winning. And you say your goal is to win and you're winning. The fans are not gonna look at it like, man, I wanna be involved because I wanna take this offense to the next level. They're gonna look at it as you complaining and being selfish. Cause you're not getting stats. That's how it's gonna be. Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

And the.

[Sports Analyst 2]

So my thing was just keep it behind closed doors. I mean, he probably kept it behind closed door. Ocho. As long as Ocho, you got all this stuff Stuff in closed. Absolutely. Until you open the door and all that fish come rolling up.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Absolutely. And the funny thing about it, too is, you know what I think? I think he's had those conversations behind closed doors. I think he's had those conversations with Jalen. I think he's had those conversations with Coach Sirianni and he.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Sirianni.

[Sports Analyst 1]

He might have. He might have because this has been going on since last year. It's been going on since last year. So I think the conversations have already been had and he had. Hasn't been heard because nothing has changed. Nothing has changed. But what J. A.J. brown has to understand, this offense is run a certain way. It's always run a certain way. And the way that they do it. J. Yeah. Jalen Hurst does not put the ball in harm's way. He's not going to take the chances like Aaron Rodgers. He's not going to take the chance. Chances like a. Like a Brett Favre or a gunslinging quarterback. I'm going to make the right reads, I'm going to do the right things with the ball and I'm not going to put my team in harm's way. In harm's way and have us behind the eight ball when it comes to playing football. And that's just, that's the nature of the business, in the way they do things. And I think the Eagles like the kind of quarterback that they do have. It's not pretty. It's not. It's not aesthetically pleasing. He's not going to go out there and throw for no 400, 500 yards. That's not the offense. They don't. It doesn't ask for him to do that. But when times come, when times come and you put him in situations where he has to beat you with his arm, we've seen him do it. Hell.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Allah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Last year in the super bowl, they weren't allowing Saquon to get diddly, diddly squat. What did he do? He used his arm and he won the game. This year, things don't look like it should. They're not able to run the ball. Hell, they're not even throwing the ball. Well. They get in his first, but what are they doing? They being carried by the defense. That's why I think at some point the roles are going to reverse. This is going to be a game, just like you said, with the defense, they going to get had. They're going to be a team that's going to be able to take advantage of them. And the funny thing about it, you Think about the teams that have the opportunity or have a chance to put up multiple points and have offensive scoring, high volume output. You think about the Chiefs, they beat the Chiefs. Yeah. You think about the Lions Tonight, they scoring 27, 28, almost 30 a game. Not yet. It's going to be a team you least expected. It's going to be a team you least expected and they're going to have a goddamn way and it's going to come time. Well, Jalen Hurst will have to step up and either gonna beat you with your arm or Saquon gonna do what he do on the ground like he did last year that he hasn't been able to do yet this year.

[Sports Analyst 2]

This offense is built to play with a lead because of the way they play, is running past a lot of teams pass the run. So Ocho, you afraid of us throwing the football. So now you play coverage, we can run into a light box. So the way the Eagles are built, they're built to run. And then we gonna pass, we're gonna dictate, you know, we're not gonna let you dictate when we pass, but they normally pass and it's third and short. What gets the Eagles in trouble is when it's third and long and they're having to pass the football. See, when it's third and short, Ocho, you don't know. I could run it with Saquon or I can use Hertz legs or I can do something quick. Screen. Jalen, screen to Devonte. Quick. Something quick. Pop. Goddard. They get into trouble when you start. They start third and 10, 13, 12. That's when they get into trouble. And so they do a great job of knowing that's where we're vulnerable at staying out of situations like that. But give them credit, they won tonight. Played the elements better. That's what you have to do when you at home. Ochoa. We're in our environment. We're Eagles, we play and we, we practice outside.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Hey, and one problem I do have about watching the game tonight, the fact that I can still. I don't play for the Eagles. I don't play for the Eagles, but I watch a lot of football and I watch the Eagles all season long. Hell, I watch every goddamn team. But the fact that I can tell you Based on A.J. brown's alignment, I can tell you exact exactly where Rowdy's running. That's not good. That's not good. Because if I know it and I'm not watching film, I'm just watching the games each and every Sunday what do you think those that are, that are playing across from him are doing? He had 11, I think he had maybe 11 targets or something like that. But it's the same stuff over and over and over.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Unk.

[Sports Analyst 1]

If he lines up two yards outside the number, if he's by himself, he's running the hitch. If he, if he's in, if he is, if he's at the top or the slant, if it's, if it's two by two and Sweeney's on the side with him, or the Titans on the side with him, he's off the ball, he's running the slant. It's like the same thing. If he's inside, he's running the quick out, I mean, or the stick. Right. It's just the same that there, there's really no creativity and then putting him.

[Sports Analyst 2]

In and they like to put him on the left hand side. Ocho, they like to throw him the goalball on the left hand side.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 2]

If you notice that Ocho a lot of his goalballs on the left hand.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Side, I mean, so I, I understand his frustrations. Not only is he not putting up the numbers he'd like to, but you know what's actually coming based on his alignment and where he is. Route recognition, formation recognition, and the tendencies are the same.

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