BEST OF NFL Week 12 Part 2: Shedeur Sanders SNUBBED of GAME BALL after first Browns win, Mahomes taking shots at Andy Reid?!

Summary

Club Shay Shay: BEST OF NFL Week 12 Part 2

Host: Shannon Sharpe
Air Date: November 26, 2025
Theme: Deep-dive analysis of key NFL Week 12 matchups, quarterback controversies, and the overlooked performance of Shedeur Sanders in Cleveland’s first win with him at the helm.

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay, hosted by NFL legend Shannon Sharpe and joined by fellow analyst (Chad “Ocho”) Johnson, delivers a passionate, candid, and insightful breakdown of Week 12's most compelling NFL storylines. There’s a particular focus on the Cleveland Browns’ quarterback controversy, Shedeur Sanders’ historic debut and overlooked recognition, and broader critiques of quarterback management and team dynamics across the league. Additional discussion highlights include record-chasing receivers, defensive dominance, odd coaching decisions, and memorable banter between the analysts.

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Segment Highlights & Timestamps

1. Atlanta Falcons vs. New Orleans Saints: Tight End Troubles & JSN’s Historic Pace

[02:26] – [07:27]

• Falcons win 24-10; breakdown of Bijan Robinson’s and Atlanta’s rushing attack.
• Kyle Pitts’ struggles: Sharpe bemoans “too many dropped passes,” not tough or acrobatic catches but “routine stuff, hitting him dead in his hands.”
  • Quote: “He’s as talented of a receiving tight end that I’ve seen come out the draft… but it just hasn't clicked.” – Sports Analyst 1 (03:15)
• Jackson Smith-Njigba (JSN) sets a new pace:
  • 8 catches, 167 yards; breaks DK Metcalf’s Seahawks rookie record (in fewer games).
  • Discussion on why JSN’s smooth, consistent play is so special.
  • Broader conversation of what it takes for a WR to reach 2000 yards in a season, and his MVP chances.
  • Quote: “You think maybe he playing against bad defenses? It don’t matter. Everybody getting that work.” – Sports Analyst 2 (07:12)

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2. Overtime Drama: Jags vs. Cardinals & Celebratory Mishaps

[08:45] – [11:39]

• Jacksonville wins 27-20 in OT despite four turnovers.
• Trevor Lawrence: 3 TDs, 3 INTs, 1 Fumble – “Not a clean win.”
• Celebration Broken Down: Critique of players who showboat at the wrong moment (e.g., spinning the ball and wasting time in overtime).
  • Quote: “There's a time and a place to celebrate… do you not understand situational football?” – Sports Analyst 1 (09:35)
  • Reference to Chase Claypool’s infamous gaffe in Minnesota.
  • Key lesson: Hand the ball to the ref, value every second.

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3. Shedeur Sanders’ Historic Browns Debut—But No Game Ball?

[15:52] – [26:17]

• Sanders’ start: First Browns rookie QB to win his first NFL start since 1995, ending the team’s infamous streak.
• 11/22 passing, 209 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT—decent numbers in a win.
• Lack of run game and little support, but Sanders “looked to push the ball down the field.”
• Praise for his aggression – “I was very impressed with him…he gives those guys an opportunity to make plays.”
• Controversy: Despite historic win, head coach Stefanski is “non-committal” on Sanders as next week’s starter, and Shedeur does not receive a game ball in the locker room.
  • Locker room clip: “And then another rookie making his first start. Nice job, Shedeur. Well done. There’s that old saying, save the best for last. How about that defensive... 10 sacks by our defense...Miles Garrett...So I'll see guys tomorrow.”
• Analyst frustration and suspicion of front office/coach bias:
  • “So hold on. A guy making his first start, a guy that you didn’t really want to start, a guy that you didn’t even want in your organization...and that’s all he get. Great job. He don't get no game ball.” – Shannon Sharpe (24:40)
  • “That’s not the individual they want at the helm. They made that clear a long time ago.” – Sports Analyst 2 (25:08)

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4. Discussion: Browns' Internal Politics & Quarterback Competition

[26:17] – [41:55]

• Larger critique: Browns front office (specifically coach Kevin Stefanski and owner Haslam) are resistant to Sanders' success because he wasn’t “their pick” (preference for Dylan Gabriel).
  • Quotes:
    • “Odds are stacked against you…when opportunity presents itself, [Sanders] has to go out there and do what he did.” – Sports Analyst 2 (25:46)
    • “I ain't say you got to pick the man up on his shoulders and carry him off the field. But that little bit...Harold Fanning, four catches for forty yards…Shador played his ass off.” – Sharpe (26:17)
  • Strong comparison to dating: “Sometimes, you gotta lie to your team…even if you don’t like Shador…commit as if you do.” (29:21)
• Coaches’ pride and job security discussed at length—are they more focused on “being right” than winning?
• “Fans don't hold Haslam and Stefanski in the highest regard anyway...now if you wanted booing and carrying on, take the young man out of the game.” (35:27)
• Dilemma: Let Sanders play and possibly prove the team wrong—or right.
  • “Maybe he proves you right. Maybe he flops. I don't believe he will.” (33:51)
• The significance of giving QBs a true chance and not being blinded by draft status or ego.

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5. Patriots vs. Bengals & Veteran QB Analysis

[46:03] – [51:12]

• Patriots beat Bengals 26-20; Joe Flacco’s “turnover machine” tendencies dissected.
  • “He gonna start out hot…but he’s a turnover machine now.” – Sharpe (46:03)
• Defensive play recognition—DB “cheated up” for a pick-six off Flacco.
• Friendly rivalry: Ocho Johnson jokes about his ties to both Patriots and Bengals.
• Highlight: Mitchell Tinsley’s consistent playmaking.

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6. Ravens' Win and Offensive Struggles

[51:12] – [54:17]

• Ravens rise from 1-5 to an AFC North tie, but Lamar Jackson’s numbers continue to underwhelm.
• “Lamar’s been held under 200 yards passing for three straight games…not what we’re used to.” – Sharpe (51:12)
• Running game struggles: only 98 yards on 34 carries, “something feels off.”
• Defenses are now keying on Baltimore’s tendencies.

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7. Patrick Mahomes, the Chiefs, and Red Zone Woes

[54:45] – [63:19]

• Chiefs beat Colts 23-20; postgame, Mahomes seems to subtly criticize coaching.
  • Mahomes on Bengals DC Anarumo:
    “He’s not stuck in his ways…he adjusts his scheme to the team around him.” – Mahomes [paraphrased, 55:30]
  • Analysts speculate this is a veiled shot at Andy Reid’s stubbornness.
• Chiefs’ red zone futility:
  • Multiple long drives ending in field goals, not touchdowns.
  • “You kick field goals, you get your ass kicked.” (58:05)
  • Lack of speed weapon post-Tyreek Hill is a glaring issue.
  • “Now it's a struggle once they get inside the 20…not getting the home run because once they got rid of Tyreek, the offense completely changed.” – Sharpe (61:58)
• Ocho’s analysis: “The creativity just isn’t working anymore. Everybody's seen all the tricks and it's just tougher now.”

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8. 49ers vs. Panthers & Rookie Mistakes

[64:30] – [75:31]

• 49ers prevail over Panthers, 29-19; Christian McCaffrey shines (142 yards from scrimmage).
• Brock Purdy’s “awful” night: 3 INTs but bailed out by defense.
• Panthers’ offensive miscues: Poor communication, missed opportunities by Bryce Young and WRs.
• Detailed technical receiver/DB talk:
  • On running dig routes, matching up with J.C. Horn, and importance of route discipline.
  • Ocho: “When you get to the top of your route and you’re doing all that wiggle, the good corners just stop their feet and drive on it.” (68:57)
• 49ers move to 8-4 and leapfrogged Detroit for the seventh seed.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Shedeur's snub:
  • “A guy you didn’t want, a guy you didn’t want to start, makes history, wins you your first road start, and that’s all he get. Great job. He don’t get no game ball.” – Shannon Sharpe (24:40)
• On coaches’ egos:
  • “Coaches have egos too…there is no way in hell they gonna sit on their hands and show the world they made a mistake. Ain’t no way.” – Sports Analyst 2 (30:54)
• On player celebration:
  • “This is overtime. Why you spinning the football? Just hand it to the ref, you save 10 seconds.” – Shannon Sharpe (10:13)
• On the Chiefs’ issues:
  • “You gotta be perfect when you don’t have the home run threat. Now it's a struggle once they get inside the 20.” – Sharpe (61:58)
• On WR route running:
  • “When you get to the top of them routes, you do all that wiggle, instead of just snapping it off…against the good ones, they stop their feet and drive.” – Ocho (68:57)

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Tone & Style

The episode features classic Shannon Sharpe energy—direct, unfiltered, and mixed with humor and storytelling. The mood is passionate and critical, especially concerning quarterback politics, underappreciated performances, and the stubbornness of coaching staffs. Throughout, the show balances technical football analysis with accessible real-life analogies, making it entertaining for casual fans and students of the game alike.

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Listen for These Takeaways

• Deep skepticism about front office politics impacting quarterback development and reward systems (Sanders’ snub).
• The importance of context in football: how situations, not stats, tell the real story behind wins, losses, and individual performances.
• Recognition of subtler aspects of the game: wide receiver technique, defensive game-plans, and how small errors or decisions (player celebrations, route depth, in-game management) compound to shape outcomes.
• Persistent acknowledgment of changing NFL landscapes—quarterback styles, the evolution of the passing game, and the increased scrutiny that comes with social media and fan feedback.

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For anyone who missed the episode, this summary spotlights the most engaging conversations, revealing not just what happened in Week 12, but how player dynamics, coaching pride, and front-office politics continue to define the NFL’s storylines.

Transcript

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[Sports Analyst 2]

See, this is one game I ain't get to see. There was only so many TVs out there.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah. Chat, if you're a Falcons fan, you know what I'm about to say is true.

[Sports Analyst 2]

What happened? What happened?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Kyle Pierce senior dropping too many passes. Ocho, he just. He. He just. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I mean, he just dropped it. I'm talking about routine stuff. I'm not talking about no acrobatic catches where you got to go up. I'm talking about stuff hitting him dead in his hands. I'm talking about over the shoulder stuff. He's. And he's too talented. He's as talented of tight end, receiving, tight end that I've seen come out the draft. He's supposed to be Brock Bowers. He's supposed to be McBride. That's what he's supposed to be. Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 2]

He's dropping them clean, huh?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Clean. Clean.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Hold on. You talking about clean like contested catches?

[Sports Analyst 1]

No, he dropping routine stuff. Hitting him in the chest. Ain't nobody right now. No, he just dropping.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Oh, damn.

[Sports Analyst 1]

And I just thought. I just knew this was gonna be the year that, you know, he shows everybody why he was a top five pick. He went in front of Chase.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah. He was number four. Huh?

[Sports Analyst 1]

It's just. It's. I just. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I. I just. I. I did. I did not envision, especially coming off the season that he had as a rookie where he went over a thousand yards.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yep.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I just knew, like, okay, the sky's the limit this gonna be. And it just. It just hadn't. It just hadn't clicked. Just hadn't clicked. Jackson, Smith and Jigba had another awesome day. Ocho, eight catches, a buck 67 against the Titans. He has 13, 13 receiving yards. He broke DK's record that he set in 2020. DK did that in 16 games. He's broken the record in 11 games. Smith and Jigba is on first, is on pace to become the first player with 2,000 receiving yards in a single season.

[Sports Analyst 2]

If There's a player that should get it. If there's a player that the NFL and the team and the powers that be that control everything, he's one of the ones you want to do it. He's one of the players you want to allow to be able to break that record. JSN is having one hell of a season. He's having one hell of a season. And the fact that he's continuing exactly what he started at Ohio State. We saw him in the Rose bowl go for what, 200, 280 almost?

[Sports Analyst 1]

No, he went for 330.

[Sports Analyst 2]

He did for three something. And coming to the NFL, most of the time it's a hit or miss when it comes to receivers. But for him to show that not only did I do in college, but hold on, hold my beer. I'm going to give it to you in the NFL too. Every week, not just one week. And then he go missing for two or three weeks. But I'm talking about back to back to back. And this is a testament to not only the quarterback, but the play calling that continuously puts him in position to be able to make these plays and create mismatches so he can do exactly what he's doing.

[Sports Analyst 1]

The Tennessee. Yeah. The Seattle win. They moved to 8 and 3 thanks to a 3024 victory over the Tennessee Titans. Sam Darnold was 16 to 26, 244, 2 touchdown. Kenneth Walker had 11 carries for 71 yards. They had 20 rushes, 114 yards, 1 touchdown. Sharpen up. But it was Jackson, Smith and Jigba. Eight catches, a buck 67, two touchdowns. They had 16 or 16 completions for 244 yards. Man, he. He cooking, folks. I mean, he's unbelievable. I mean, he is. Wow. He's so smooth, man. He's so smooth, man. I've seen Silk that wasn't that smooth. Ocho. That Joker, man. Good God almighty.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah, he cut. He cutting up now.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, man, he cutting up.

[Sports Analyst 2]

And you know, you know the funny thing about it is it don't matter who it is. You know, you think, man, okay, maybe playing against bad defenses, maybe playing against.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Bad teams, it don't matter.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Everybody getting that work.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Everybody getting that. Everybody so don't know about. Oh, man, I locked. Not this year. There might be a time down the road that you say I lock them up, but not this year. I want to see him get 2000.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah. Once you get into a rhythm like this, ain't no stopping. And the play calling is going to always continue to be in your favor. Just so you can get that record.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Ask somebody. Is he going to be the MVP if he get 2,000 yards? No. Because somebody had to throw him the ball to got him 2,000 yards.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah, that is true.

[Sports Analyst 1]

So Matthew Stafford. Right now, I think Matthew Stafford has a stranglehold. Now, I will say this. If Miles Garrett was on a winning team doing what he's doing, he would get serious. Serious, Serious consideration. Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Hands down. Hands down, Absolutely.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Cause I'm talking about. I mean, he might. He might be. Like I said, I think he's going to be the first defensive player to win defensive Player of the year that's on a losing squad since Cortez Kennedy did it.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Oh, but can you see me?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, I see you.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Now hit the wrong.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I ain't got the one. I like you.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Hold on. I hit the wrong button on my computer, man. Oh, there you go. Damn.

[Sports Analyst 1]

But Smith and Jigba is having an unbelievable season, and it's a pleasure to watch him. Watch him go to work. And it doesn't matter. They see you, too, Ocho.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Okay.

[Sports Analyst 1]

The Jags beat the Cardinals in overtime. We had a couple overtime games today. I thought we might get another one with the Cowboys and the Eagles, but hey, the Cowboys walk it off thanks to Brandon Aubrey's a 42 yard field goal. But we did get two overtime games. We got Detroit and the Giants, and we got this one right here. The Jags and the Cardinals. As Trevor Lawrence was 18 of 30, 256, three touchdowns, three picks and a fumble. So they got four turnovers.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Damn.

[Sports Analyst 1]

The. The Cardinals got four turnovers and still.

[Sports Analyst 2]

And still.

[Sports Analyst 1]

And still lost.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Ajacobe was dealing, though, right?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Oh, yeah. 33 or 49. 317. One touchdown. Michael Ocho.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Again, you see what he did now he get a big play. He spin the ball, hit his foot, rolled to the end zone. Now he got to go get it. Now he got to come back and try to find the official. You see, bro? Come on, man. Y' all come on now. Come on, bro. There's a time and a place to celebrate. You down? Why you spinning the ball? Do you not understand situational football in that situation? Spinning the football. This not the first quarter. This not the second quarter, bro. This is over. This is overtime.

[Sports Analyst 2]

No, they. They. They excited.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Oh, my gosh.

[Sports Analyst 2]

He's excited to make them plays, huh? But you got. You got to know. You got, you got to be. You got. You gotta. You gotta be aware of your situations. The time.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Remember? You remember Pittsburgh? The Guy Claiborne? What. What was the name receiver from Notre Dame. They caught the ball. He caught the ball in Minnesota Chase Claypool and started celebrating. Ocho.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Time of going down, huh?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yes. But I'm looking. I'm like, I'm just. Ocho. I'm just looking at him. I'm looking at him like this. Here, Come here. You come here. See, back in the old when we played Ocho, you do some cool like that. Come here, son. Come here. Yeah. Get your ass over here. Hell no. Now if he hasn't already, he'll apologize.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

He apologized like, look, I just can't do that. Valuable time is off the clock. Ultra. You got the ball. Just get the ball. Go back. You saved 10 seconds.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Seconds. Yeah. Hand. Hand it handed to the ref, maybe more. You hand it to the ref, you get. Leaving them more time on the clock.

[Sports Analyst 1]

But the Jags win the score in overtime, 27 to 20. Even though Arizona takes the ball away four times, they still lose the game.

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Hey. The Browns beat the Las Vegas Raiders by the score of 24 to 10. Shador Sanders became the 42nd quarterback to start a game for the Browns since they came back into the league in 1999. He also became the first Browns quarterback to win his first career start in the NFL since Eric Zier did it back in 1995. The victory ended a 17 game losing streak for Browns in games in which the quarterback was making their first career start. That was the longest streak by any franchise since 1950 when quarterback starts were first recorded. The win snapped a 13 game road losing streak for the Browns which was also the longest active streak in the NFL and their second longest in franchise history. Shador was 11 of 2200 and 9 yards with one touchdown and an interception. He was, look, they didn't run the football worth nothing. 27 rushes, 67 yards. Yeah, but Ocho, his ability and he's looking the thing that you have to like about him. He's looking to push the ball down the field. He realized I don't catch big fish fishing around the shore, right. I need to cast way out there. You see he rolls out of pocket, throws it over the top. He's going to give those guys an opportunity to make plays. I was very impressed with him and I know what everybody said. It wasn't nobody but the Raiders, but had they lost, he was going to say, well, he can't beat the Raiders. How is he going to beat this team, that team? Well, we won't know how he'll do against this team or that team. Cuz we know the team that he played today, he put books in them. Go ahead. O.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Well, listen, I'm, I'm. It was a Raiders, it was Raiders. But what I saw from J tonight, I mean tonight it looked good. There's, there's room for improvement. There's some, there's some things that he could do well. He would also need his, his supporting cast to help him out. Jerry. Judy, I know you want a dead leg, baby, but just go ahead and get a young boy. Just go ahead and get out of bounds, get them yards. There were some throws I know would probably want to have back, especially that interception, you know, staring down, staring down that stick route right at the snap of the ball outside. Especially when you can't run the ball. When you can't run the ball and make it one dimensional. It's very, very difficult. It's very, very difficult. But they were able to pull the win off. I'm sure Shador is probably not happy, glad he got the win, but there's a lot of stuff you can go back and look at and he'll watch film and see where he can improve on, improve in certain areas. And I like the fact that he not only got a start, he made history today, he made here Tuesday. And he gets to build on that going into next week. I'm not sure what's going to happen with Stefanski if Dylan Gabriel's healthy, if he's going to be the starter or not. You, you know how they stuff like that is, is up in the air. So I'm, I like the way he looked today. I mean, I mean I'm excited for him. I'm excited for him because it, the offense looked different. It just looked different, you know, so.

[Sports Analyst 1]

They had a bounce about him. If you think about it, they got and the defense did their part. They sacked Geno Smith 10 times. Oo 10 it was 10, 10 miles. Garrett had three miles. Garrett has 18 sacks with six games to play.

[Sports Analyst 2]

You need five more, right?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Five more to break the record he at at. If you keep singling him, he gonna get 30y. He's got 13 sacks in his last four games.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, yeah. He gets in that sprinter stance. He get down like a track and get down on all fours. Yeah, he, he come and hunt your quarterback. But I, I, I like, I like the fact that Shador was looking to push the ball down the field.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

And I think that's what they needed, guys, because having been a receiver, bro, I want to get down the field.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I want to, hey thought about, hey, look, I want to catch the ball. But all this shallow cross and all these bubble screens and all that. But come on, man. Yeah. It's hard to methodically go down the field. Ojo, you know, we're going to talk about this. The Chiefs going down the field. They had 13, 17, 12 and they kicking field goals. But it's hard, especially when you got a young quarterback. Yeah. And to ask him to be perfect. Tom Brady could play like that. That's Tom Brady. Yeah. He's not going to make those mistakes. But you're asking a first or second year guy, young quarterback to say, okay, we want you to be. Basically we end up being somewhere of 25 of 33 for a 275 yard three touchdown. Nah, you're asking him to do too much. Let him take some chances. And I thought Shador did a great job of getting outside the pocket on the one they scored on. Oo. He did a great job. He goes back, he. He's holding the safety just like this here. And then the last second he turns. And so by the time the guy catches and gets up, the safety, like, hold on, if I come downhill, I ain't gonna get there. So let me try to get him at a. No, I ain't gonna be able to get him. Cuz basically when he hit that sco. Yeah, it was Good Night, Irene.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah, it was a rap.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, it was, but 11 to 20, I mean. And he was like, hey, that's one week of starting. Imagine when I get a offseason.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Imagine when they call plays specifically for me. Yeah, imagine.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah, you got.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Who's that, John? L said imagine all the people. But I thought he played really well. I thought he was really poised. I thought, I know, it was great to see. His dad was in attendance. And Ty was like, well, I don't know, man. You know, Goodwill. Ty wasn't missing that one for nothing in the world. They could have been playing if Colorado had a game today. Yeah, Ty would like, man, you know, hey, I ain't feeling too well. It would have snuck. Snuck out here to Vegas to watch his son. And that was great because, you know, this is really the first time that his dad's not coaching him. His dad's not around. Picking up the phone is one thing, but being able to have a conversation face to face is something entirely different. But I was really, really pleased with the way he played. I thought he threw the ball really, really well. Isaiah Bond did a great job. Sampson. What he called that? Yeah. That long? That 66 yarder, like you said. Jared. Judy, bro, did you think he was like. I mean, he was just oblivious? Like, ain't nobody behind me.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Listen, I don't know what Judy would think about. I don't know how you forget about the goddamn backside support, but you know, pursuit, you know they coming now. You know they coming. Hey, listen, Unc, I'm not sure he was. It was three defenders in front of him. Yes, he was getting ready to dead leg somebody. I know the setup, but you got to understand, you got to have self awareness, understand your surroundings, man. Get that thing. Get out. Make a business decision or take your ass out of bounds. One or the other.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, yeah, get out of bounds. But look, I know the receivers are happy because he's giving them opportunity to make plays over the top. All that shallow cross and bubble screens and all that, as we talked about earlier, Oo. This gives him an opportunity to push the ball down the field and give them an opportunity to make some big plays after the game. Kevin Stefanski was non committal on the starting quarterback for next Sunday's home game against the 49ers. Oo the video is going viral online. Here's Stefan handing out game balls in the locker room after the game. Stayed resilient together like I told you we needed to, right? Stay resilient together. And we fought together. How about Gage's big punt return on special team? How about Corey? Every single time you're out there pinning those guys, doing your job. Great offense. Wasn't perfect. Wasn't perfect. How about that big play by Sam at the end? IB Huge play.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Q.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Huge play. Harold making a big play. And then another rookie making his first start. Nice job, Shedeur. Well done. There's that old saying, save the best for last. How about that defensive. Holy is what I have to say about that. 10 sacks by our defense. 10 sacks. Okay. I got one ball in my hand. Okay. I got a guy, he's got to get a cold every week. Okay. He had a cold this week. Wasn't feeling himself. Three sacks, which gives him 18 on the season through 11 games. Through 11 games. Which breaks his own Browns record. Miles Garrett. Come on, man. So I'll see you guys in tomorrow. Hey, I'll see you Wednesday. I remember. So hold on. A guy making his first start, a guy that you didn't really want to start, a guy that you didn't even want in your organization.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Right, Right.

[Sports Analyst 1]

And that's all he get. Great job. He don't get no game ball.

[Sports Analyst 2]

No, he don't get no game ball.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Un.

[Sports Analyst 2]

That wasn't his pick. That's not what they want. They don't want him to succeed. You know that. No. No disrespect. The owner told you. The owner told you to himself. Even the head coach. The head coach guy. The head coach's guy is Dylan Gabriel. We all understand that. Listen, didn't. Didn't you do it make history tonight? Yes. First Browns quarterback as a rookie to start and win after what, since what, 17?

[Sports Analyst 1]

I mean, you got to think about ocho. They've had 42 starting quarterbacks since 1999.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Right.

[Sports Analyst 1]

No quarterback making his first start.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

The last 17 have said we didn't do get it. They didn't get it done.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah, listen, that didn't work.

[Sports Analyst 1]

The game ball on Joe.

[Sports Analyst 2]

It's clear as day now. It's clear as day. Like, I mean, we've been going back and forth about this over and over. Let nitpicking here and there. And people. People say, oh, they hate. They're not hating. Oh, Dylan Gables. Listen, all that.

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[Sports Analyst 2]

We know what the play is. You, you. The writing is on the wall. It's always been in the wall. When. When the owner came out and said what he said about this not being my pick. This is brother. Drew Barry. Drew Barry, right? Is that how you say it?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Andrew Barry.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Andrew Barry. Excuse me. Andrew Barry. It was his pick. It was his idea. I mean, we know what it is. You know, the odds are stacked against you. The odds are stacked against you. When opportunity presents itself, he has to go out there and do what he did. Do what he did. The odds were stacked against him. He went out there, had a good game today. Much, much more room for improvement. But he gave him the opportunity to win. He allows him to have a different style of offensive play calling when he's out there playing, and that's all he can do.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Ojo. I ain't say you got to give the man a car. I ain't say that. I ain't say you got to pick the man up on. I ain't saying the team need to pick him up on his shoulders and carry him off the field. But that little bit. Oh, you talk about big time catch. Hold on. And this is not a knock on you, Harold Fanning, so don't. Please don't take it. This was it this way. He had four catches for 40 yards. I mean, he made two big. I mean, Shador played his ass off level 20. Yay. Had an interception. I thought he was very good. I thought he was very good with his eyes. I thought he was very good with his feet. Everything was attached. And that's all you got for the man. Miles Garrett deserved five. All the football that you brought to. Brought to Al Vegas, give to him. Say, son, we gonna ship all. All four of these damn footballs to your house in Cleveland, Miles Garrett. Whatever Miles Garrett want. As a matter of fact, Miles, you underpaid. Take your ass back in there. Getting more. Hey, you need to get 50 million. Yeah. And he'll get this record as long as the Browns are able to keep the game close.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yes.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Where teams can't just run. Run the ball right. Excuse me. Excuse me. As long as they. As long as. You see, he got five last week. Why?

[Sports Analyst 2]

Oh, yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Because for the large part, a large portion of the game, they had to lead. So if the team got the lead on what you got to do, they got to throw the ball to get back in the Game, right? When you see what happened tonight, they jumped out on 14 of the 14 3. Now you got to pass the. You came. First of all, your run game is not good enough and your offensive lineman not good enough to blow people off the ball. So you got to throw it right. And they got a good enough defensive line that you can't just double. I'm doubling Miles Garrett. Somebody else might get three sack, but it ain't gonna be him.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Him? Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Cause he's a guy that you. Game plan, Ocho. We go in there on Wednesdays. They got his circle. He got red ink around him. This is the guy that if we don't block, he gonna tear our ass up. He will destroy our game plan. Run or pass.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

With that being said, that man couldn't flip. Should do a football.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Oh, you know the man one flipping him no football. You know the man. That. That is not the individual that they want at the helm. They made that clear a long time ago. The game that they've been playing in training camp, him not getting reps. We understand that. So therefore, them you actually wanting him to give him credit after a game, that ain't happening. So to me, it's not surprising to me, because, okay, we already know. We already know what it is. We know. We know you're not our guy. I think Shador even knows that as well. He's not tripping. I'm going to prepare myself so when the opportunity presents itself, the end result looks like today, the most important stat that w. That's all that matters on. Listen, on the next week, I see you Wednesday.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Ocho, you and I have both been in situation. And Chad, I know y' all probably the last guy that y' all want to hear dating advice from, but we've all had. We've all had the young lady, Ocho. She was gorgeous. Drop dead gorgeous.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah. Come on.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Wait.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Take your time.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I wanted her so bad.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yes, yes.

[Sports Analyst 1]

But when it didn't work out, I realized the other one, she was the best for me, and I needed to give her credit because the one that I wanted, right? It didn't work out. I understand Stefanski want Dylan Gabriel, but you got to understand, the guy now is the best for you, and it's going to give you the best opportunity to win. Because he is unafraid to push the ball down the field, Right? Because in this league, that's how you win big plays. I just. I don't get it, Ocho. Sometimes you gotta. Like coach used to tell us, sometimes I gotta fool them Sometimes you gotta lie to your team. Yeah. Even if you don't like Shador. Even if you won't. Dylan Gabriel, you won't commit. I get all that. And I get the semantics. I get the. The. The scheme of it, Ocho. Right. I don't want. I want them to prepare for both knowing damn well Dylan Gabriel ain't gonna see that field anytime soon. I get all of that.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Right.

[Sports Analyst 1]

But this notion that this thing is even close, this notion that this was just a whole. I mean, a whole hum. Performance.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Right.

[Sports Analyst 1]

The guy got no snaps with the guys that he played with today until Wednesday of last week.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

And he does that on the road in a hostile environment. And all you got for him is that.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah. I mean, unk. That's what it is. And one thing about it. Listen, you have to understand. Coaches have egos, too. The owner has an ego, too. The owner and the coach, not in cahoots. But they both wanted their quarterback. They got their quarterback in the third round. Things and things. Things happen. Things didn't work out. Dylan Gabriel's hurt right now. There is no way in hell they gonna sit on their hands and show the world that they made a mistake. Ain't no way. Ain't no way in hell that's not happening.

[Sports Analyst 1]

It happened. Ocho all made mistakes. The thing is not making a mistake. Do you learn from it? Because remember, Ocho, mistakes without consequences, there's no lesson to be learned.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Wait, you have to understand. But how many consequences have they had in the last, what, 40, 40 some years? This is. This is the 45th start. This is the 45th starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns since 19. I don't even know.

[Sports Analyst 1]

1999, 42nd different starting quarterback.

[Sports Analyst 2]

That's 40 some quarterbacks. So obviously they haven't learned their lesson regards to who the owner is, who grows, who the head coach is, and that's how they see fit. We're going to continue to prove that we made the right pick in the third round by doing goddamn Shador Sanders somewhat of an injustice. And what they're trying to do is likely likelihood is probably going to backfire. It's probably gonna backfire and not work in their favor.

[Sports Analyst 1]

All I'm saying is this. I believe the young man played well enough today to earn another start. No matter what you think about him, whether you like him or dislike him, whether you like his brashness, his arrogance or his cockiness or whatever the case may be, I don't know whether you like or dislike his father. All I know is he played well enough today and chat. Hey, chat Cleveland Browns fans, at any point in time did Dylan Gabriel play in his starts as well as Shador played today? That's all I'm asking. That's what you have to look at the way you judge a starter. Oto, I'm not saying a starter can lose. They said a starter can't lose his job due to injury. Mike Shanahan said a starter can lose his job because if the guy comes in and he's playing better than you at the time you got injured, that is our new starter.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah, I have a question. Yes, I have a question. Before Dylan Gabriel had that concussion, he played six games, right? He plays in six games?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yes, to the best of my knowledge, yes.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Okay, six games. So I mean it would be hard to compare, compare the two based on real time, real NFL games until we have Shador play six games as well.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Right.

[Sports Analyst 2]

See the point is will Stefansky in that organization allow Shador to continue to play them game because they don't want him to prove them wrong. That's what they don't want. That's why I think the game that Stefanski is going to play, is he going to find out is Dylan Gabriel will he be able to go this week? So we're not on the wrong, on the on the wrong side of being right.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Wait, how about this Ojo instead of them, instead of him, let him play because maybe he proves you right. Maybe all of a sudden he flops. I don't believe he will. I believe that. I believe the kid had two months moxie. I believe that he believes and the way he was brought up in and what his dad has instilled in him and he wants to be great not because of his father. He's like my father did what he did. Yeah, but he can't throw no passes for me.

[Sports Analyst 2]

No.

[Sports Analyst 1]

He can't slide the line. He can't read anything for me. Everything that I'm getting now is because is my own. I'm doing this should do it. Sanders. And I love my father. I love the last name that he bestowed upon me. But at the end of the day he can't throw no passes.

[Sports Analyst 2]

You do realize that owner and that head coach don't want to be made to look like a fool by putting 12 out there and having 12 continuously win you games. You do realize that, right?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Make me look like a fool to help me get to the playoffs. Made me look like a fool and make me be a consistent winner. Make me look like a damn fool and maybe Potentially. Get me to the man. Do you look, do you know if, if that, if, if Shadow were to get that, get that team into the playoffs, get to the AFC championship game. I'm not talking about this year. I'm talking about. Let's just say in the next five years, right. If he were to do that and take that team to a Super bowl, they'll build a statue. Yeah. I mean, it'll be, it'll be Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Shadow Sanders.

[Sports Analyst 2]

You. You do realize the owner would look like a fool. You do realize the fancy will look like a fool. They do not want young bulls to succeed.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Well, the fans think they're damn fooled now to begin with. So it don't matter what you look like, they already think you are.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I mean, all you would do by keep keeping this going because you know, sometimes you got to keep your mouth closed because people won't know how big a damn fool you are. Yeah. I said, boy, keep your mouth closed. Sometime people might thank you a fool, but if you open your mouth, you're you Remove all doubt. Yeah. So the Cleveland fans, they don't hold Mr. Haslam and Stefanski in the highest regards. So there's not a whole lot they can do to change that. Now if you want to. If, now if you really wanted to go booing and carrying on, take the young man out of the. Take the young man. Don't let him start next week.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Hey, what now you know the game these folk play. You understand? You, you. You've been around long enough so for, for him to have the game, he had right to not only get a game ball for Stefanski to get in front of the media and still be non committal to who going to be the starter next week. What does that tell you? We in goddamn week 12. We going into week 13. There's no need to be playing these mind games as if we ain't got damn training camp. You don't know who the fucking start. I'm sorry, you don't know who the starter is going to be. It's a game. It's a game at this point because that's not who you actually wanted to helm playing quarterback for your franchise because you don't want to look like a goddamn fool.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Oh, so there are very few people. There are very, very few people with the first person that rans their berry.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Wait, who then?

[Sports Analyst 1]

My grandma say. My grandma said, hey, bring that to me.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Say that to me.

[Sports Analyst 1]

There are very few people that are in that are with the person that initially razzed their berry. You'll be driving the Martyrs.

[Sports Analyst 2]

You're like, damn, I ain't never heard that one before.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You know, don't worry about it. But anyway, hold on, hold on.

[Sports Analyst 2]

No, no. You don't skip over me like that. Give it to me in English now.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Ocho. A berry, right?

[Sports Analyst 2]

I know what a berry is.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Juice. Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Juice.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Okay.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Okay.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yes.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Okay.

[Sports Analyst 1]

A lot. How many people that are married or in a serious relationship, right. That person that they're in that relationship, right. That is the first person that piqued their curiosity. That is the first person that they love. That is the first person that they wanted to be with.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Okay, so why you say that?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Third, fourth, fifth. But I'm. That's what I'm saying. Okay, I get it.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

So in a situation like that, okay, I might. But you know what? Just for gp Just to endure, to do unbelievable job. Game ball for you, right?

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. You do that when it's actually the person you actually want. That's a. That's a different. You understand?

[Sports Analyst 1]

That's it. Hold on.

[Sports Analyst 2]

You're using that analogy wrong, too.

[Sports Analyst 1]

No, because my grandma used to say. My grandma used to say.

[Sports Analyst 2]

You said Barry is cherry.

[Sports Analyst 1]

No, raspberry. You don't razz my berry. Which means he don't excite me. Don't worry about it, Ocho. You'll get it. Hey, that.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Hey, that must be some downside. I ain't never heard that.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Of course it is. Of course.

[Sports Analyst 2]

I'm saying down here, it's more like cherry. The first. Pop my cherry. So you actually the first.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Okay. You don't razz my berry. You don't excite me.

[Sports Analyst 2]

I like that. I like that. I like that. That's different.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I get it. Shador might not. Might not have excited them in the beginning. They was more excited about dealing Gabriel. Right? But at the end, who makes you wholesome? Who makes you. Who makes your house feel like a home?

[Sports Analyst 2]

Right?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Who. When you get excited, when you. When. When you need someone to talk to and say, you know what? I'm gonna love you through all those scars, and I know you got a lot of them, but come lay your head on me, and I'm gonna make it. Okay. That's what this young man had the potential of doing.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yes.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Give him an opportunity. That's what we did. Because a lot of times. I get it. We visual men. We're very visual. Yeah. If you. As far as you'll be. What do I see? Man, he could throw the ball 100. That's why they make so many mistakes at the quarterback position, Ocho, because what can he do? He can throw the ball 80 yards. I saw him on one knee throw the ball 60 yards and hit the upright.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Ain't got nothing to do.

[Sports Analyst 1]

How many times he gonna be on one knee? Because if he down on one knee, that means he down already. So the ball gonna be incomplete. With all that being said, yes. A lot of times we get in awe about what we see sometimes. The aesthetic, beauty, long hair, complexion. Yes. Body, yes. Oh, she got Greek degrees stacked on top of the grease, huh? But sometimes it's what's on the inside is what we can't see, right? That's the determining factor. Tom Brady A had no aesthetics. He couldn't run fast. He couldn't jump high.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yes, sir.

[Sports Analyst 1]

He didn't have no arm like Mahomes or Josh Allen. But what you couldn't see.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yes, sir.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Made him deadly. See, sometimes we look at the black mamba. The black mamba is not the most dangerous snake in Africa. It's not as dangerous as the bloom slang or the common brown in Australia, right? Or the western or the coastal taipan. But he has the name, you see, the black number. Now, he will attack without provocation. Most snakes that are venomous, they won't attack without provocation. That's what makes him so deadly, because it is one of the few snakes that will attack without provocation. Make it that. Man up. Damn game ball. It ain't your game ball any damn way. It like you buy no footballs. Hey, he got me hot up in here.

[Sports Analyst 2]

I see. Hey, hey, don't, don't. Don't let your emotions get the best of you because you think you mad right now. You think you mad right now. Wait until Wednesday and watch the games they play.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Oh, hey, wait.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Wait until Wednesday.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You remember that song, Mocho? If you think you're lonely now Wait until the night if you think you lonely if you think I'm mad now like you say, wait until Wednesday.

[Sports Analyst 2]

All right?

[Sports Analyst 1]

They talk about Mary Kay Cavity. Come out there and say Dylan Gabriel is taking snap. Boy, I break up everything in this, I tell you.

[Sports Analyst 2]

I tell you one thing, you might as well get to breaking right now. You might as well get to break it right now. Because you understand. You understand the NFL. You know the games that they play. Especially when the owner has come out at the beginning of the season. Excuse me, at the beginning of the season, matter of fact, in training camp and saying a certain individual is not his draft pick, he said it he did say that. Yes, he came out and said it. So what does that that let you know already what the player is going to be for the foreseeable future? As long as 12 is there.

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[Sports Analyst 1]

The outcome that everybody expected. The Patriots beat the Bengals by the score of 26 to 20. Mike Grable's New England Patriots became the first NFL team to reach 10 wins. Joe Flacco. Oo, Chad. Y' all remember I told Ocho, I said, ocho, Joe Flacco, he gonna start out hot, right? I mean, he gonna be hotter than. He gonna be hotter than four foxes in a forest fire. Yeah, but he's a turnover machine now.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Nah, he. He turned over. He turned it over one time today. He turned. Listen, big six. Hey, I. I know. Hey, listen. And you know. You know what's funny? You know what's funny, too? Hey, that DB cheated. He wasn't where he's supposed to be. You know that he cheated up. He stayed up much closer. How could you not, as a quarterback, not see that? Out using Your peripheral, But it was a two shell. Instead of. Instead of going back where he's supposed to be at, he's sitting down there at the line of scripts. I'm like, man, what is he doing?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Cause guess what?

[Sports Analyst 2]

What?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Got a little pressure, and he throw it late. What happens when you throw late to the flat?

[Sports Analyst 2]

Oh, it's going the other way every time.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Okay, Every time.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah, but. But listen, the Patriots. The Patriots had. The Patriots had one hell of a game. They. They had a good game. Hey, Drake May threw in the second two. You heard me?

[Sports Analyst 1]

I got Drake May. I got Jacoby Brissette. I said, what you call him? We're gonna get no TD T. Higgins. Oh, I hit that thing. Y' all better be on that prize pick. You made JSN. I said JSN gonna have at least 94 guys.

[Sports Analyst 2]

I said that.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Okay. You said that, okay. I said, Jacoby Brissette. We're gonna have boot. Got that. Drake May playing the Bengals. Got that. I said T. Higgins wasn't gonna get no touchdown no kind of way. Cause Gonzalez had it that.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Cause he got hurt.

[Sports Analyst 1]

His feelings.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Hey, but listen. Well, honestly. Well, technically, you know, my team won then, basically.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Talk about. What you mean your team? Who your team?

[Sports Analyst 2]

You know, I play with the Patriots now.

[Sports Analyst 1]

He played with the Patriots. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Sports Analyst 2]

I'm just saying. I played there. I played there. Listen, I played there, you know, towards the end of my career. I was. Oh, I was old as hell, but I played there, you know. You know, I had to kick the tires a little bit, but I was there.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Chad.

[Sports Analyst 2]

What'S up?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Did y' all hear what this man just said?

[Sports Analyst 2]

I'm just saying, it is what it is. It's in the books. You the one. You the one been telling me. Listen, you play with the Patriots, you know, so, I mean, I'm just throwing it out there. I'm still a banger. I'm still a bangle. I'm still a Bengal fan at heart, but I never knew. Yeah, I mean, listen, I. I. You know, honestly, I love everybody on the Patriots.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You told me, right? You told me you played with them bangles and your heart and your team, that you grew up watching the Miami Guppies, Right?

[Sports Analyst 2]

Right.

[Sports Analyst 1]

That was your two teams. But honestly, what about. What about you went to the super bowl with the big. With the Patriots? Yeah, I ain't playing. I ain't wearing.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah. You know. You know, I said. Because I ain't really do nothing When I was there, I would like decoration like Christmas time. You know how you little ornament on the tree. No, the ornament on the tree, he really there, but he, he ain't really got no, no, no. Well, doing like the star that's at the top. You feel me? Yeah. You know, my days was really over. I was just out there like, okay, this is why they went all the time, you know, and, you know, they're having a good time, enjoying the ride. I. I'm. I ain't really get, you know, to be productive or nothing like that. So I don't really want to claim nothing. I ain't really getting no working, you feel?

[Sports Analyst 1]

I sure hope y' all got on that prize pick or that parlay I had. I sent that thing out at night for y'.

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[Sports Analyst 1]

I got another one coming for you.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Hey, you know what I want to see too, Unc? Now we talk about the Bengals, too. Hey, that goddamn Mitchell Tinsley. Yeah, that goddamn Mitchell Tinsley, man. Every time, every time. Young bull in the game, he making a play.

[Sports Analyst 1]

He made plays happen.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Hey, I need, I need to see him, man. Since the, since, since the preseason when he made that one handed catch in the end zone. Every time he in the game.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Unk.

[Sports Analyst 2]

He making a play. Unk. I'm talking about every time. The day he beat Gonzo. He beat Gonzo at the line of scrimmage. Hey, I'm talking about setting like. I'm like, ooh.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Hey. And you know, at that position, Ocho, if you stop your feet as a corner, it's over.

[Sports Analyst 2]

It's a wrap. It's a wrap.

[Sports Analyst 1]

It's over.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah. You got to keep your feet alive. You got to keep your feet alive. So I would love to see him get a little bit more burnt. T. Higgins went out today.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Chase is coming back over for Burton. I think Jermaine Burton. I think it's over, Ojo.

[Sports Analyst 2]

You think?

[Sports Analyst 1]

So incensey. I'm not saying it's over for him in the NFL. Yeah. But I think his time's up. I mean, he's another healthy scratch. Again, they're down to receiver Chase, and they don't get. Yeah, yeah.

[Sports Analyst 2]

I, I don't, I don't know what's going on in that area. You know, I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think Chase and, and T did what they could to take him under his wing. I'm really not in the facility. I don't know the personal things that may be going on, but I know he's an extreme Talent. He's an extreme talent. I'm not not comparing him to Pickens. I'm just speaking on. He has a lot of upside, a lot of potential and I hope he gets on the right chick at, on the right track at some point even if it's not in Cincinnati, because he can be tremendous. He can be tremendous for some team once you get things going.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Ocho the Ravens beat the Jazz. The Ravens have gone from 1 in 5 start to 1st place tie in the AFC north despite Lamar not had in his MVP form. Lamar has been held on the 200 yards passing for three straight games for the first time in five years. He also has gone back to back games without a touchdown pass for the first time in six years. Lamar was asked if he felt fully helped, felt felt fully himself in the recent weeks and if injuries are holding him and the offense backs. He said, I can't call it, but I'm out there so I feel like I should still be able to do what I do. I feel like we just need to execute a lot better. We're getting great field position, but we're not putting points on the board and that has nothing to do with no injury. One of the biggest changes in the game has been the decrease in Russian. He holds the record for the most rushing yards by a quarterback and he's averaging A career low 29 less than 30 yards rushing per game. And Derrick Henry, they came to Ocho. Normally this is when you see the Ravens run the ball 34 times. Yeah, it's normally 200 plus yards.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yes sir.

[Sports Analyst 1]

They ran the ball 34 times a day. Less than a hundred yards. Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 2]

I mean, hey, listen, it's something weird about this season. It's something weird about this season. When it comes to certain teams that we're used to seeing be very dominant, especially offensively. The Chiefs, it looks weird. It looks very weird. The Baltimore Ravens, it looks weird. You know, even, even when they were healthy, they started out 0 and 2unk, they started out 02. So they really haven't been able to get themselves in a groove before. Lamar got hurt. But the fact that they've been able to come back and dig themselves out a hole and Lamar being back now, it gives them a chance. No matter what, they will always have a winning chance. As long as eight is back there, as long as they back there, they gonna be all right. At some point that offense is going to have to hit their stride. They're going to have to hit their stride because the defense is playing a little better as Opposed to how they look. As opposed to how they looked at the beginning of the season. Ain't no way in hell they still.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I don't want to put too much. I don't want to put too much because they played the chance. Ocho. Let's. Let's.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Let's. Hey.

[Sports Analyst 2]

You call. Okay, I got you. I got you.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I mean, they had 26 carries for 76 yards.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

But for the Ravens to run. For the Ravens, Lamar was 13 to 23. Oh, D. Hart ran a stutter go so sweet. And he threw it out the end zone.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Did you see. I don't know if you saw that, Ocho. D. Hart ran a stutter goal. Ocho. He run a stutter so sweet. Yeah. And he missed him and Lamar missed him.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah, I a see. I ain't see that play. Hold on, let me get my charger.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Go ahead. Lamar was 13 of 23, 153. No touchdowns, no interception. He was sacked once. Derrick Henry had 21 carries for 64 yards. Again, as I mentioned, they had 34 rush attempts for 98 yards, but they did have two touchdowns. Derek Henry did get the ball in the end zone twice. But offensively, for something. It.

[Sports Analyst 2]

They.

[Sports Analyst 1]

They just. They seem to be off. And I don't know why.

[Sports Analyst 2]

But this is. This is. This is. This is Lamar. What? It's only, what, second? No, it's third week back, right?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, it's probably about his third week back.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah, third week back. I mean. I mean, as. As he goes, the rest of the team goes. So as. As. When he gets back into rhythm and he starts feeling that confidence back again, then I think everything will. Will pick up.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Well, it's gonna have to. Beat the Colts for two quarters, including overtime. Chris Jones and the rest of the defense dominated the Colts offense, which allowed the Chiefs to exit Arrowhead with a much needed 23:20 comeback victory. After the game, it looked like Mahomes took a shot at the Chief's coaching staff when he praised Lou Armarula, Amaruno, Ocho. Take a listen to what my homeboy had to say. Yeah, they definitely do some of the stuff. I mean, that coach Anarumo is a great defensive coordinator, great coach, and he has this stuff. But I think what makes him such a great defense coordinator is he kind of tailors his team, tailors his scheme to the team that he's playing with. And so he wants to go with their strengths and so getting their guys in the best position to succeed. And even from some of the trades they made, they've adjusted their defense as well. And so I think that's, that's something that makes him a great coach, is that he's not stuck in his ways of like how he calls the thing. He, he adjusts his scheme to the team that's around him. And obviously they've done a lot of great things this year. If you go back and study oo, if you look at them, what defense has given Patrick Mahomes the most trouble? The Cincinnati Bengals, who was their coordinator, the guy that sat.

[Sports Analyst 2]

And you know, you know what's funny is you think about how difficult the Chiefs in the Bengal Games are, how difficult they make it for Patrick Mahomes. And look at what he has to work with over there in Indianapolis.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yes.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Supporting cast of players he has to be able to pull off making those games even more difficult. As opposed to the Bangle defense, which most consider to be bad in a sense. So I mean, to Davious Ward, goddamn Sauces out there. Zaire, Franklin, they got a really, really good squad. Really, really good squad. I, I, when it, when, when Buckner coming back?

[Sports Analyst 1]

I don't know. There's a possibility he might not come back. No, not this year. Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Oh, hey, man. He the real, he, the real he.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's, he, he, he's, he's the disruptor. He's the, he's the, he's the guy that you circle says, okay, we got to deal with him.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah. But, but my home, Mahomes almost, almost. You know, I think he was trying to do too much. Mahomes were trying to be Superman today.

[Sports Analyst 1]

He miss some throws. Hollywood Brown had sauce beat bad on the Cobalt. Yeah. And, and Mahomes missed it. He had Trav on an uncover quick and he missed it. Yeah. He had juju on the over route. Wow. And he missed him. So there's some opportunities that are there that Mahomes normally wouldn't miss.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Good thing Rashid Rice showed up today. Kareem Hunt, look, Kareem's gonna get your hard fought yards. Yeah, he's not, he's not what he would like his rookie his first two years. Ocho, he's not that guy, right. He was nasty, but he's solid. He's gonna get you some hard fought yards, some hard ones, some hard three. He'll break a tackle. Good on the goal line. But Ocho, the problem that they're having is that when they get into the red zone, Ocho, they had a 17 play drive. Settle for three they had a 14 play drive, settle for three. Had a 13 play drive, settle for three. They had a 14 play drive, settle. Ocho, you know this.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You kick field goals, you get your ass kicked.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You score touchdown. Now you really, really put pressure on an opposing team. That is the problem. The problem is they used to be automatic when they got into the red zone every time.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Hold on. Not. Not only automatic when they got into the red zone, the creativity between Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid, it was unbelievable. Remember all the tricks they do, all the merry go round and doing all, you know, have. Dude, that's not working anymore because now the film is out there. Now the film is out there. So it's a little different. Everything is a little bit more difficult. Yeah. You know, once you done won three Super Bowls already, it's the same offense. Everybody's seen almost everything you have to. You have today. So therefore it become that much more difficult.

[Sports Analyst 1]

We.

[Sports Analyst 2]

People were talking, okay, The Chiefs are down. They're five and five. They're 500 for the first time and who knows how long.

[Sports Analyst 1]

But again, keep talking. My computer's messing up. We finna. We finna do something, but you keep going. Keep going. Keep talking about the Chiefs.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Okay? Any.

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[Sports Analyst 2]

Anyway, Chad, listen, I. I think when it, when it comes to the Chiefs, right, as bad as they've been this year, they're 5 and 5. Obviously we're not used to them being 5 and 5, but they're gonna be all right. Anytime you have a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes, Anytime you have a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes, he can put that team on his back similar to what he did today. He almost lost the game a little bit because he was trying to do too much. Trying to do too much. Trying to be Superman, trying to carry the load himself. The commentators talked about it. I'm sure he knows as well, but Rashid Rice had one hell of a goddamn today. Day to day. He was 8 foot. He had what, 8 for 141. Kareem Hunt with 30 for 104 and shoot. That's it. So Chad is just me and y' all right now. Welcome to Nightcap with Ocho. Oh, you still there?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Huh?

[Sports Analyst 2]

Oh, you back?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Back. Oh, here it is right here. Hold on.

[Sports Analyst 2]

You good? I. I got it the rest of the way. Go ahead and chill.

[Sports Analyst 1]

The Chiefs had a 17 play drive, 64 yards, 3 points. They had 18. They had a 13 play drive that took 8 minutes and 12 seconds. 3 points. They had a 10 play drive that 84 yards, 81 yards, 3 points, 5. Then they had 5, then they fumbled, then they had 11 play drive. 11, 11 play drive that resulted in a touchdown. And then Ocho to end the game. They had a 15 play drive.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

For 87 yards. And at that point in time, they were just trying to get in and to get. Got the field goal and then the field goal to end win the game. Ocho. Another 12 plays. So that's 12, let's see, 27, 30, 41, 46, 51, 54, 64, 77, 94. They had 96 play. Let me see if my math, because I was quick in my head, you know? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm just doing. I'm just, you know, I'm speeding through the things. Let me see.

[Sports Analyst 2]

The hell.

[Sports Analyst 1]

They had 91 there. So minus the penalty, they had 90, 91 actual. Actual plays. That's crazy. Oh, so you don't normally see that many plays in an NFL game.

[Sports Analyst 2]

No, not. Not today. 65, 70 is. Is the norm.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, 60, 65 is. No, is norm.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Right.

[Sports Analyst 1]

91, 91 actual call plays. Yeah. That's crazy.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Damn. What do you think? What do you think the issue is with the Chiefs obviously not being able to score once they get into the red zone, as opposed to how they were automatic before.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Okay, they run, they won the wildcat with Travis Kelsey and then, you know, John pulls the guy's helmet, they call it back. So you got to settle for a field goal.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Right.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Whereas before they were, like you said, the creativity, they were able to get the ball into the end zone. Yeah, some razzle dazzle play. Flip it here. There, you know, shovel pass to the tight end, shovel pass to the back. They were always quick screen, you know, quick screens, get the ball into the end zone. Right now it's a struggle once they get inside the 20 because now it's condensed and so. And they're not getting the home run. Because you remember Ocho, these two remember how they used to complete the big play over the top when they had Tyreek. Now once they got rid of Tyreek, the offense completely changed because they didn't have anybody that can get over the top. The top, yeah, they would like ding, ping, ping, ping, ping, ping, ping.

[Sports Analyst 2]

And the funny thing about it, even though they had the ping it, and I call them a call it Tiki Taka. They had the Tiki Taka all the way down the goddamn field. But because you had Patrick Mahomes, you're still able to have success just Doing that because he can make the right decision with the ball and not make mistakes.

[Sports Analyst 1]

But see what happens when you play that type of game, Ocho? You got to be perfect. You see, the thing is, I mean, he tried to go with a quick pass. Guy gets his hands up, he picks it off. Now he's got the ball. They got the ball at the one yard line.

[Sports Analyst 2]

That's. Now, that's unfortunate.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah. And see, but here's the thing. What. What are they telling the mocho? The ball's gonna come out quick. So get your hands up.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Get your hands up. Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Chief's upcoming schedule at Cowboys, Texas at home, Chargers at home, at Titans, Broncos at home at Raiders. Hey, schedule again, Thanksgiving at Cowboys. Then that Sunday Night Football. They get the Texans at home, then they got Raiders at home. Then the on the road Texans. Excuse me, Titans. Then Christmas, they get the Broncos and then TBD Raiders.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Damn.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Well, by that time, the Raiders, everybody be living in. Everybody be living in the hotel. Cause they be done pack their stuff up, they ready to go. Ocho.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Hey, well, honestly, listen, uncle, if you play in Vegas, it really ain't no. Ain't no need to really rush back home. If you in Vegas, I mean.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, but you just want to get away, Ocho. Cause you've been in the grind. You've been. You've been here. I just want to get away. I could always come back, but I'm gone, right?

[Sports Analyst 2]

I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you.

[Sports Analyst 1]

The 49ers beat the Panthers 29. Kristen McCaffrey, against the Old team that he used to play for that drafted him at the top 10 pick out of Stanford, CMC had 142 yards from scrimmage. He had 89 of those yards, 24 carries, 89 yard long of 17, one touchdown. He had seven catches for 53 yards. So he's on pace, Ocho, to do something that only he, Roger Craig and Marshall Falk has ever done. Rush and receive 4,000 yards in a single season. Yeah, all those guys did. They. Those guys did it once. If McCaffrey stays on the pace that he's on, he'll do it for the second time. So something very, very special. Something Bears watching. Oh, here's the 49ers schedule at Browns, Titans at home, at Colts, Bears, Seahawks at home. Yeah, so they got. They got a pretty nice schedule. They got what. What is that, 1222. So that's a Monday night. They got the Colts on Monday Night Football. And then they follow that up. NBC at 5:20 game. So that's a, that's a Sunday night game. So. But this game, Ocho. Ooh, Purdy. Purdy was pretty awful.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Listen, not only was pretty awful, though, he threw interception in the first half. J.C. horn played out his goddamn mind. The defense played out they goddamn mind. And the Panthers offense, it failed us tonight. Huh? The Panthers offense failed us tonight. I'm not sure what was wrong with Bryce Young and T. McMillan and some of the receiving, Jimmy Horn, but they were off their communication this far into the season. You shouldn't be having mental errors like that or mistakes like that, especially in the passing game, because he's throwing the players that are running one route and the players are going a completely different way.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, so.

[Sports Analyst 2]

So a lot of players will miss down on the goal line. Bryce, there was no need to throw that ball, but you got, you got nothing but green grass in front of you.

[Sports Analyst 1]

But Ocho, even if he throw. The thing is, you know, when you roll out, Ocho, you cut half the field off. So now they flowing. They know first of all down there, Ocho, you're not going to throw it all the way back pylon. You rolling to your right.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Right.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You've got to release that ball. You don't have to take a full roll because the further you roll, the field get condensed. More and more condensed. Yes. That's why the guy, the front side was able to fall off, because you brought the bright side tight into him. You got to throw that ball earlier.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah, right.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You want to run out of real estate.

[Sports Analyst 2]

He didn't, he didn't even have to throw the ball at all.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Oh, you wanted to go ahead and run it in, huh?

[Sports Analyst 2]

It's nothing but green grass in front of him. Nothing but green grass in front of him. Obviously his, his eyes were locked in on, on the receiver, you know, in the back of the end zone. Outside of that.

[Sports Analyst 1]

It.

[Sports Analyst 2]

This isn't, this isn't. This wasn't Panther football tonight. This is not. This is not the, this is not the Carolina Panthers that we've, We've been watching that have won the last five there. Last five of this last seven games. They, they lost one tonight, but it wasn't good. The defense did what they needed to do. Offense, offense, left, left. A lot of points, a lot of plays out there on the field.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, I thought, I thought Carolina got away from the running game a little bit too early. They didn't have the ball a whole lot. What looked like they had the ball. 42 total plays. That's not a Whole lot. But when you look at it, Ocho, I think the thing is, is that. Let's. Let's. Let's talk the 49ers first.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Jennings, when you run. When you run that. That over route, if you gain ground, you're gonna allow that cornerback to jet it or undercut you, and that's what he did.

[Sports Analyst 2]

The dig route. The dig route, yes.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Ocho, you can't. You can't run that.

[Sports Analyst 2]

No.

[Sports Analyst 1]

If you run that route like that, if you gain ground, he gonna jump right up under you.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah. Especially somebody like J.C. horn. J.C. horn, someone that.

[Sports Analyst 1]

That.

[Sports Analyst 2]

That is as sound as him. He has good eyes, good discipline, and he. He gonna play. He gonna. He gonna. He gonna stay on. He's gonna stay on your inside hip every time. Yeah, he rounded about damn near 4, 4, 5 yards.

[Sports Analyst 1]

I'm like, you gotta keep. You gotta keep. Because once I got him there, Ocho, I gotta keep him on my hip.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Because if I let him up underneath on that square square end. Yeah, that's what it's called. Square. It's a square end square out square. So on that square. No, I gotta keep him on my hip. Yeah. Because if I give him. If I give him any leeway, I. He gonna undercut it, or he might grab me and slingshot himself, grab me by my waist, pull himself forward, and now he right there up underneath the throat.

[Sports Analyst 2]

And you know what? Another thing that a lot of receivers need to get out of doing, too, unc. When they get to them top of them routes, they doing all that wiggle. They do that wiggle instead of just getting it, getting up to your point and just snapping that thing off. When you play against a good corner, I'm talking about the good ones. And when you do that wiggle, all they do is they stop their feet. So if they stopping their feet and.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You sitting there wiggling, he gonna drive on it. Let me ask you a question, though.

[Sports Analyst 2]

You can't do that with the good dbs.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Let me ask you a question. You run a goalball like that?

[Sports Analyst 2]

No.

[Sports Analyst 1]

So you get to the. You get a 10 yards, and now you. All of a sudden, you're doing this on the go ball.

[Sports Analyst 2]

No. Everything.

[Sports Analyst 1]

It's gotta. It's gotta look the same every time.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Everything got to be. Even if you don't run full speed, give the illusion. Give the illusion that you are running full speed. Get the way you got to and snap that thing. Of all them tricks and all that. It works on your average corners. But when you go against the best the better DBs, the JC horns, you know, the pass obtained, the Denzel Awards. You not pulling that off.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Any indication you give them, they stopping their feet in the driving.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yes, because that's the indicator you get. I mean, you know, you. You're taught to give an indicator to your quarterback, but you're also giving an indicator to you, to the DB also.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

McMillan, there's a reason why we say you to keep your arms tight. You see how I got his arms out? What that DB do? OO put tug him where he would have been. He hit 27 right in the chest. That's why they tell you to keep your arms tight, because they grabbing anything. Oo, yeah. Always.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Always. They gonna grab and they not gonna call every goddamn time.

[Sports Analyst 1]

They're not gonna call it. They're not gonna call it. But this was a really sloppy game. I was surprised how sloppy the game was. Purdy did not look good tonight. 23 of 32, 193, one touchdown, three interceptions. That was just awful. That was just awful. His defense bailed him out because they got the turnover. And then Bryce Young comes right back and gives it right back to him. They got. Look, Carolina really has very small margin for error.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yes.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Because they're such a young team, and they're not. They're don't. They don't have top five talent at any position on the offensive side of the football.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Okay?

[Sports Analyst 1]

So with that being said, you can't do what they did tonight. You can't turn that ball over like that on the road.

[Sports Analyst 2]

No, excuse me. You can't. You can't. Especially not with the way the defense is playing. You can't keep putting the defense out there on the field, putting them in harm's way. Obviously, when they. They're getting. Stops you getting the ball. You had turn them. They got three points off of three turnovers. They got three points off of 3 turnovers. You got. You got to. You got to get more than that because they give me the ball back and give you the opportunity to not put the game away, but at least extend the lead enough right. You have a chance on the back end.

[Sports Analyst 1]

And they give you. And they give you short fields very short.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yes.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You got to get something. You got to get something more than. Okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, you only gonna get three out of each one. Okay, that's nine points. But you got to come away. Well, three turnovers. You got to come away with more than three points.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Something you.

[Commercial Announcer]

You.

[Sports Analyst 1]

You got to. It'd be nice if you cash one of, one of those guys in for a tud. But three points and, and like I said, I, I, I just didn't, I, I, I thought they ran, I don't think they ran the ball enough. Yeah. I mean, you got Dowdle back there. You got Chuba Hubbard. Run the football.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

And I know you're probably thinking about, well, you know, they don't have those pass rushers. They don't have Bosa. You know, Warner's not in there. There's some things that we can take advantage of. They don't have the most outstanding corners. Run the football. Yeah. Run the football. That is your, that is your friend. When you're on the road, you need to run the football. But the 49ers, look, the 49ers keep their, they got to stay attached to the Rams and the Seahawks 8 and 4 right now. So with this win, they leak. They leap over Detroit. Right. For the seventh seed. Not Detroit falls back to the eight seed. But they haven't had their buy yet. I think Detroit's had their buy. Haven't Detroit have their buy? Because Detroit's 7 and 4, So it means they had to buy already because the 49ers haven't had their, that's why they're 12. Yeah, They like, we might as well go ahead and run this thing all the way through. But, yeah, it was, it was a, it was a sloppy game, Mocho. I expected the 49ers to play a lot, would be a lot crisper than what they were. Hell, I thought Bryce Young, considering what he had came, what he had done. I mean, what that 440. Who's that against? The Falcons.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah, they were, that, they were down 14 and came back. Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

So he had, he had started to play really well. I really like McMillan's game. McMillan is really good. He can really, really play Ocho. And he's only going to get better. He's doing this in his rookie season, so I can just imagine in two or three years what he's going to be like. Hell, he might, who knows, he might even take a leap like JSN did.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Now, I'm not saying, look, that, that's, I'm not saying that's going to happen, but he's on pace to have over 2,000 yards on 125 catches. So he's, he, he's doing, he's. And he's in that zone right now. I just wanted, once you, you know, when you got a special season going yeah, everything just seems to go your way.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Everything.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Every deep ball, a carom you catching. Everything just. Just. Is just Zen. It's just perfect. Yeah, Whatever. McCaffrey. Oh. Oh, that's why he was fighting, huh? At the end of the game. Oh, okay. Oh. Oh, man.

[Sports Analyst 2]

What happened?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Oh, Jennings. That's why they was fighting at the end of the game. The DB punched him in the. The foul pole.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Oh, I missed that. I missed that.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, yeah, that's why at the end of the game.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah, I was. I was setting it up.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Oh, that's gonna cost him. That's gonna cost him a fine. I mean, that's gonna probably cost him like, 25, 50,000.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Well, hold on. What kind of fight we talking about? Like a. Like a little shoveling match?

[Sports Analyst 1]

Well, he put. Jennings was blocking him, and he. Pow. Okay, so at the end of the game, they got into a little tussle, but, you know, they got cameras, so they see all that. The refs might have not called it, but them 22 cameras, they got.

[Sports Analyst 2]

Yeah, they caught it. They gonna see it.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So don't even. Don't even. Hey, save your time. Don't. Hey, that Tuesday that you was gonna call in to appeal that. Oh, yeah, go golfing.

[Sports Analyst 2]

The only waste of time.

[Sports Analyst 1]

Yeah, yeah, go golfing. Because it ain't gonna help, but, yeah, this was. This was a game I thought would be a little better. It wasn't clean. I mean, what you get? Five turn five total turnovers. Sloppy game. Sloppy game. But the 49ers win. Moved to 8 and 4, Carolina 6 and 6. San Fran 20, Carolina 19.