BEST OF NFL Week 15 Part 1: SHOCKED by the Bills 21-POINT COMEBACK against the PatriotsMicah’s DONE, Raiders as the SORRIEST team

Summary

Club Shay Shay – "Best of NFL Week 15" Part 1

Release Date: December 17, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe (Ocho)
Guests/Co-hosts: Chad, Sophie Cunningham, Rob Gronkowski

Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay dives into the most dramatic moments and biggest stories from NFL Week 15, focusing on remarkable comebacks, devastating injuries, and playoff implications. Shannon Sharpe ("Ocho"), Chad, and frequent contributors break down games, player performances, and what these mean for the playoff landscape, with the show’s signature banter and humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Buffalo Bills' Epic Comeback vs. Patriots

Timestamps: 03:20 – 08:09

• The Bills mounted a 21-point comeback to stun the Patriots, winning 35–31.
  • "The 21-point comeback is tied for the third largest in franchise history including playoffs." – Ocho (03:30)
  • Patriots' 21-point blown lead at Gillette is the biggest since 1978.
• Josh Allen’s performance: 19 of 28, 193 yards, 3 TDs.
• James Cook: 22 carries, 107 yards, 2 TDs, possibly leading the league in rushing.
• Chad and Ocho debate Allen’s supporting cast but agree the win was on Allen.
  • "The onus on why they won that game today is strictly on Josh Allen." – Chad (06:46)
  • "Josh Allen might be the first QB with 300 pass touchdowns and 100 rush touchdowns." – Ocho (07:01)

Notable Quote

• "If you playing Madden, the game is over, you off the sticks. That's 21 zip scum." – Chad on the Patriots' blown lead (06:10)

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2. Flexed Out! Sunday Night Football Schedule & Team Relevancy

Timestamps: 08:09 – 11:09

• The Bengals–Dolphins game was flexed out of primetime for Patriots–Ravens.
• Ocho pokes fun at team's non-worthiness for primetime.
  • "Clearly, the Patriots and Ravens are worthy. You're not worthy." – Ocho (10:12)
  • Humorous banter over who is underperforming and no longer playoff material.
• Raiders and Bengals records compared, with tongue-in-cheek "Bungles" nickname (12:54).
• Discussion veers into the importance of being playoff-relevant for national exposure.

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3. AFC Standings Talk & Bo Nix’s Broncos Breakthrough

Timestamps: 24:41 – 27:44

• Broncos beat Packers 34–26; Bo Nix throws for 302 yards and 4 touchdowns.
  • "This game was won on the shoulders of Bo Nix." – Chad (25:21)
  • Broncos praised for defense and Vance Joseph's blitz-heavy schemes.
• Commentary on Nix’s inconsistency but potential for elite performances.
  • "If you can get games like this out of him…ain't nobody gonna beat these boys." – Chad (25:37)
• Packers injuries: Micah Parsons’ torn ACL is a massive blow, with implications for defensive leadership (28:17).

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4. Raiders Labeled "Worst Team" & Eagles Dominate

Timestamps: 37:57 – 41:52

• Eagles rebound from a loss to blank the Raiders 31–0.
• Raiders offense almost non-existent:
  • "Raiders had 38 total plays." – Ocho (39:02)
  • "They had 75 total yards. The whole game." – Ocho (39:44)
• Raiders’ recent history as perennial underachievers criticized.
• Sideline tension between Maxx Crosby and Devin White hints at dysfunction.

Notable Moment

• "The Raiders are bad all the way around." – Chad (41:10)

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5. Jags and Trevor Lawrence on a Hot Streak

Timestamps: 41:52 – 43:41

• Trevor Lawrence has a career game vs. Jets: 5 TDs, 330 yards.
• Jaguars now 10–4, but Chad stresses this win isn't a real test given the Jets’ struggles.
  • "It's great for team morale…but we need to see performances like today…against some of the better teams." – Chad (43:22)
• Upcoming matchup vs. Broncos viewed as the real proving ground (44:11).

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6. Injury Woes & Chiefs Elimination

Timestamps: 48:12 – 53:59

• Chiefs eliminated from playoffs; Patrick Mahomes out with torn ACL.
  • "The Chiefs are now exploring surgical options." – Ocho (49:22)
  • "After winning three Super Bowls, Tom Brady tore his knee in his ninth season. After winning three Super Bowls, Patrick Mahomes also tears his knee in his ninth season." – Chad (49:22)
• Ocho and Chad debate if KC stuck too long with old roster, need for a real RB, revamped O-line, and a new #1 WR.
  • "They're gonna have to redo the offensive line. They gotta get some receivers." – Ocho (54:17)
  • "Rashee Rice might be a number one for that team, but when we look at number ones… Chase going anywhere and be number one." – Ocho (54:47)
• Chiefs’ era of dominance possibly at an end; first postseason since 2014 without them, Brady, or Manning.

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7. Defensive Play, Player Safety, and League Evolution

Timestamps: 58:06 – 60:01

• Debating fairness of defensive penalties following Tony Jefferson’s ejection.
  • "You have to come up, play two-hand touch. Your job as a defender is to dislodge the ball from the player." – Chad (59:22)
• Ocho notes the league’s rules have made defenders "play with one hand tied behind the back."
• Chad and Ocho respect Jefferson’s quick apology after his sideline gesture (60:01).

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8. Browns Rout Bears; Quarterback Development & Offensive Line Importance

Timestamps: 61:55 – 67:41

• Browns trounced by Bears, major takeaways on rookie QB Shador’s development.
  • "He’s going to have to learn how to throw, learn when to throw the ball away." – Ocho (65:49)
  • "Let him not get protected and see what happens. You see how ordinary Mahomes looked when he’s running for his life." – Ocho (68:23)
• Bears’ turnaround attributed to improved offensive line.
• Both hosts emphasize the need to build "front to back" in roster construction.
• Miles Garrett’s Defensive Player of the Year campaign—eyeing the NFL sack record (69:42).

Notable Quote

• "Tom Brady couldn't make every play. Peyton Manning couldn't make every play...Shador is going to have to learn." – Ocho (65:49)

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9. Mystery Over Shador’s Wristband: NFL Prep and Play-Calling

Timestamps: 71:36 – 76:01

• During the broadcast, confusion surfaced about Shador’s wristband containing wrong/extra plays.
  • Both hosts are baffled: "I've never heard anything like this…How the hell you add plays to a wristband?" – Ocho (72:06)
• Postgame, Coach Stefanski gives a PC answer, not clarifying the situation.
  • "They're never going to tell us the truth...So now it leaves all of us guessing." – Chad (73:57)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "If you playing Madden...the game is over, you off the sticks. That's 21 zip scum." – Chad (06:10)
• "Josh Allen might be the first quarterback with 300 pass touchdowns and 100 rush touchdowns." – Ocho (07:01)
• "The Raiders are bad all the way around." – Chad (41:10)
• "Let him not get protected and see what happens. You see how ordinary Mahomes look when he’s running for his life." – Ocho (68:23)
• "I've never heard anything like this…How the hell you add plays to a wristband?" – Ocho (72:06)

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Recap Table: Major Games Discussed

| Matchup | Main Points | Timestamp | |-----------------------------|------------------------------------------------------|---------------| | Bills vs. Patriots | Historic comeback, Josh Allen heroics | 03:20 – 08:09 | | Broncos vs. Packers | Bo Nix’s career performance, Broncos defense | 24:41 – 27:44 | | Eagles vs. Raiders | Eagles’ dominance, Raiders offensive futility | 37:57 – 41:52 | | Jaguars vs. Jets | Trevor Lawrence peak form, Jets’ struggles | 41:52 – 43:41 | | Chiefs vs. Chargers | Mahomes’ injury, Chiefs roster issues | 48:12 – 53:59 | | Browns vs. Bears | Bears’ defense shines, Browns’ rookie QB struggles | 61:55 – 67:41 |

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Episode Tone & Highlights

• Energetic & comedic: Ocho and Chad’s ribbing and one-liners keep the episode lively.
• Candid analysis: Hosts blend deep football knowledge with honest, sometimes unforgiving, assessments of teams and players.
• Signature banter: Ongoing jokes about loser teams, fantasy football implications, team nicknames.

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For Newcomers

This "Best of NFL Week 15" episode is perfect for listeners seeking sharp, real talk about the week’s most shocking games and moments, heavy on both technical football breakdowns and authentic locker-room banter. Even if you missed the live action, this recap will have you caught up on what happened and why it matters, straight from pros who know the game inside and out.

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End of Content Summary

Transcript

[Chad]

Yes.

[Sophie Cunningham]

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[Ocho]

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[Sophie Cunningham]

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[Ocho]

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[Chad]

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[Rob Gronkowski]

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[Ocho]

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[Chad]

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[Ocho]

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[Rob Gronkowski]

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[Ocho]

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[Rob Gronkowski]

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[Sophie Cunningham]

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[Ocho]

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[Chad]

I could tell. I could tell you where he got away from Matt. Josh Allen. Josh Allen. The game. The game. The score was 21 zip in the first quarter. The score was 21 zip in the 1st quarter. If you playing mad, you. The game is over. You off the sticks. That's 21 zip scum. But obviously the game of football in real life is played in four quarters. You have four quarters to play football if you're not able to stop Josh Allen. And one of the Achilles heel for Josh Allen has been his ability to try to put too much on his plate, makes mistakes, he turns the ball over, he's cleaned it up. Has he thrown interceptions this year?

[Ocho]

Yes, he has.

[Chad]

But the game and the way he put the Buffalo Bills on his back today to mount that comeback in the third and fourth quarter is all on him. And obviously the supporting cast and making the plays. But the onus on why they won that game today is strictly on Josh Allen.

[Ocho]

Oh. Oh, man. Josh Allen might be the first quarterback with 300 pass touchdowns and 100 rush touchdowns. He was possible. He.

[Chad]

Josh Allen, sensational.

[Ocho]

I mean, he's so sensational. He just. He was.

[Chad]

He's special dynamic.

[Ocho]

I mean, yeah, I sure wish we had it, but we don't. We got both. So I'm happy with both right now. But the Buffalo Bills, they eat. They eat closer Ocho Patriots are not a. The Patriots could have dealt a death blow commanding a two games lead because we would have swept you in the division. But now, yeah, Buffalo say, hey, give me the remaining schedule. Buffalo, the main schedule for the. The PAT.

[Chad]

And both, man. Both of them doing good, man. New England 11 and three, Buffalo 10 and four.

[Ocho]

It's just like that in the AFC west because the Chargers, I think the Chargers got 10 wins. The Broncos got 12.

[Chad]

Well.

[Ocho]

Okay. The patriots, Okay, the Patriots have at Ravens, at Jets, Dolphins at home. The Bills have at Browns. Eagles at home. Jets at home. So Ravens, Ravens and passes next Sunday night, right? Yeah, the day before. What's the day? Yeah, next Sunday night. Pat said Ravens.

[Chad]

That's gonna be a good one. That's gonna be a good one.

[Ocho]

Oh, guess what the original Sunday night football game was. It ain't y'. All.

[Chad]

Now, who was it?

[Ocho]

Bengals. Dolphins. Oh, you know. I know you don't remember this song, Michelle. Indigo Cello had a song. Say boyfriend. Yeah, I had your boyfriend. You say, that's funny. You say, I'm out of line. That's funny. He said I could call him up anytime. Say I'm wrong, you say I ain't right. If that's the boyfriend, he wasn't last Night, Ocho. Y' all was supposed to be on Sunday Night Football. Oh.

[Chad]

So they took us off.

[Ocho]

What you think. Who you think want to see them?

[Chad]

Hey, that's. That's tough. That's tough. That's tough. But listen, both teams are worthy, though. Both teams are worthy.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no, no. That lets you know. Y' all not worthy. We're not talking about the team. Clearly. Clearly. The Bills. Excuse me. The paycheck. And the Ravens are worthy. You're not worthy.

[Chad]

That's what I just said. And it's only. We're not worthy because we're not in the playoffs.

[Ocho]

See, I don't see you get all caught up in the why. The reason is inconsequential to me. You're not worthy. So just say that. Say it with me. We are not worthy.

[Chad]

That we're not worthy.

[Ocho]

Thank you.

[Chad]

We're not worthy. But let's not forget why we're not worthy.

[Ocho]

It don't matter why.

[Chad]

We're not going. We're not going to the playoffs. We're not winning right now, and we're just. We're just. We're just not. The. The better game for the viewing pleasures is the Ravens and the Patriots, and that's okay. I'm okay with that. Y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Chad]

Are y' all gonna win? I'm just asking a question.

[Ocho]

Don't you gotta.

[Chad]

I just want to know how you. Yeah. How you feel about. Yeah, we played the Dolphins. We played the Dolphins coming up.

[Ocho]

What?

[Chad]

I mean. I mean, Jamar might go for 300. Whoa.

[Ocho]

You taking Jamar with your guppies? The team that you was born. Hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa. The team that you were born. That's in your blood.

[Chad]

I said he might go for 300.

[Ocho]

I'm saying, who you taking?

[Chad]

Oh, in that game. I mean, it split down the middle. I'm on the fence. Devon, A chain might run for 200. What you think?

[Ocho]

I don't know. I don't worry about. I mean, them peasants teams. I don't worry about those teams.

[Chad]

Hey, listen, I know. I respect that.

[Ocho]

Listen, I don't even know if your two teams combined got the Broncos record. What? What's the Dolphins record?

[Chad]

I think they want, what, four, maybe five.

[Ocho]

And y' all ain't wobble like four or five, so, yeah, y' all might need to play some more. And maybe y' all can catch up with us. As a matter of fact, just play each other. Who's 67? The dolphin. 67. What's the Bengals? Man, y' all ain't got the 10 win between the two of y'. All. Yeah.

[Chad]

So we five. We five, okay.

[Ocho]

What do you mean, we five?

[Chad]

Five and eight. We five.

[Ocho]

No, you're not.

[Chad]

We five.

[Ocho]

You got four wins.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Four.

[Ocho]

Four. Not four. Foe. F o. Foe.

[Chad]

Oh, that's tough. Well, that's. I. I never would have thought that. I would Never would have thought before. Before the season started.

[Ocho]

The Bingos nicknamed the Bungles.

[Chad]

Hey, are you feeling good about yourself, boy?

[Ocho]

What? What you think? Y' all cheap. Y' all wouldn't even clear the seats. People had to sit on ice and snow. Your cheap asses.

[Chad]

They cleaned it off.

[Ocho]

No, they didn't. The NFL gonna have something. Gonna have us in another chart with y' all after we charge y' all 250.

[Chad]

That's tough, man. That's. I can't believe they move either.

[Ocho]

Peasley wins four.

[Chad]

Hey. I can't believe they move the game. I was taking my kids.

[Ocho]

You still can take them. You're just not gonna be on tv. Not on national Sunday night tv, that is. You can still take them.

[Chad]

What? I mean. I mean the game at 1:00 now.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad]

That's crazy how they do that.

[Ocho]

It ain't.

[Chad]

That's fine. Hey, listen, me and the kids, we gonna enjoy.

[Ocho]

I don't know why you come out better. Going to take them to a worm fight. A worm fight? I heard the Night Crawlers taking on the Louisiana Pinks. I feel better than you. I feel better than you.

[Chad]

You kicking. Kicking a man while he down.

[Ocho]

Don't do that.

[Chad]

Kicking a man while he down. No sportsmanship.

[Ocho]

Okay, just let me ease on up out of here. Ocho. I love it when a player come together. I love it when a player come together. Ojo, what you think about? What you think about O.

[Chad]

B?

[Ocho]

You know how o' Shea doing? You know, I got it trimmed up a little bit, don't yo?

[Chad]

Oh, yeah. Are you growing it? You growing it out?

[Ocho]

You know, a little. Sweet. You know I like it.

[Chad]

I like it. Hey, listen, it's a new. A new man, new look. Going 20, 26. That's a good thing. That's a good thing.

[Ocho]

Can I get my money on you? Since I'm going to 26.

[Chad]

I'm giving it to you into. Hey, hold up, man. Listen, I told. I told you Christmas. Hold on it.

[Ocho]

Criminals. It's already criminal. Hell, I got gifts to buy. Birthday's coming.

[Chad]

Hey. Huh?

[Ocho]

Hold on. This man got a goyard pouch.

[Chad]

That's what I carry my cigars in, huh? I Got you. I got your money right here. Got your money right here. Matter of fact, I'm gonna give you interest, too. Hold on.

[Ocho]

Oh, my goodness.

[Chad]

Hey, hey.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I see you. I'm looking at you.

[Chad]

I got the 1, 2.

[Ocho]

I don't need you to count it. I need you to.

[Chad]

I'm just. I'm gonna count your money right here.

[Ocho]

How this man hold up, Chad? Y' all see this man? This man carrying cigars in a go yard.

[Chad]

Yeah, I gotta keep them fresh.

[Ocho]

Well, I'm stale. Cause I ain't got 5,900.

[Chad]

Hey, I got you. I'm just waiting. I'm waiting on the rewards to come up.

[Ocho]

What awards?

[Chad]

My rewards?

[Ocho]

What rewards?

[Chad]

I'm paying 5,900 for my awards. Hey, I feel like. I feel like Mayweather right now. That's. Hey, that's 5,000 right there. And I'm gonna take 900. I'm gonna take 900 out of here. Matter of fact, I'm gonna make a clean 6,000.

[Ocho]

I sure appreciate it, Ocho.

[Chad]

Yeah, I got you. I told you Christmas. I want to make sure. I want. Listen, I'm in the spirit of giving. I'm in. I'm in the spirit of giving. And the one thing about it, you know, I'm. I might be cheap, but when it's time to do for others. Hey, listen, I'm. I'm open arms. I'm always willing. And for you, I want to bless you on Christmas. I'm gonna give you 6,000.

[Ocho]

My money, Chad. Y' all ever heard of something like that? Somebody bless you with your money.

[Chad]

Well, technically, it ain't. It ain't yours. We just. It's coming from me. Now, if you loan me 5,900, then it would be your money. Hey, Uncle. Merry Christmas, Unc. I got you, Chad.

[Ocho]

It been two. It's been two years.

[Chad]

It's been that long. You ever tried these Tiktoks? Tic Tacs?

[Ocho]

No. Why? What. I mean, what's so special about them?

[Chad]

When I smoke. When I smoke is. It's like I never had. Never had a cigar in my mouth. Keep you fresh. Hey, they really. Hey, they really. They really flexed our game up out of the night. Game?

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Chad]

Like that. Ruined everything, man.

[Ocho]

Ruined nothing for me.

[Chad]

Damn, man.

[Ocho]

This man got my money. Won't even pay me my money. I just.

[Chad]

Christmas is. Christmas is like 10 days away.

[Ocho]

You pay me on Christmas, how do I get criminal gifts? How I get criminal gift for people?

[Chad]

Oh, shoot. Hey, who you got to get gifts for?

[Ocho]

I got kids I got a sister, got a brother, got a mom.

[Chad]

Damn. Huh? Yeah, you right, you right by that. Yeah, I just, I, I, I could, I'll FedEx to you tomorrow then. Yeah, I do that. I'll FedEx it to you tomorrow because I, you know, I sure want you to be able to get, you know, get gifts for your family and stuff.

[Ocho]

I want to get them, too, but don't look like I will be able to.

[Chad]

I'm a fit. I'm a FedEx to you because I, you know, I know your address. I got you.

[Ocho]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[Chad]

You know. Hey, hey, I'm, hey, it's a hot. Hey, I'm, I got the holiday spirit, huh? I got you, man. I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good.

[Ocho]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[Chad]

I just don't like the fact that they, they flexed our game out of the eight o'. Clock.

[Ocho]

Nobody want to see no team. Two teams. It's like watching two old people have porn. Ain't nobody paying to watch that.

[Chad]

You do. You do realize we still have Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase?

[Ocho]

Everybody don't know. Tell me, where can you go watch two old people on porn? They got a lot of different porns. Ain't no old people. That's y'. All. Y' all old people. Ain't nobody want to watch y' all have sex?

[Chad]

I'm trying to think. Oh, I know. On page back.

[Ocho]

Nope.

[Chad]

On page back.

[Ocho]

Nope. Yeah, Ain't nobody watching that.

[Chad]

Damn, man. So, hey, so, so what team I cheer for now, man?

[Ocho]

Somebody down in Mexico with a goat. You can even watch that. People pay to watch that instead of watching you guys. That's how bad y' all are. Yeah. Embarrassing. Yeah, you should be embarrassed.

[Chad]

I am. We, we, we laid a donut.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad]

You know, I'm. I wonder, I wonder, did they make that decision to flex our game out of it after today's loss?

[Ocho]

No, that was before. Because they knew you gonna lose it before.

[Chad]

That's crazy. That's crazy. It's all good. We got next year.

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[Chad]

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[Ocho]

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[Chad]

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[Ocho]

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[Chad]

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[Sophie Cunningham]

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[Rob Gronkowski]

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[Ocho]

The Broncos defeated the Green Bay packers. About to score 34, 26. Bo. Bo knows 23 or 34. 302 photos. No sacks. Courtland Sutton, 7 for a buck, 13 a tub. Troy Franklin, 6 for 85 a tub. Lil Jordan Humphrey, 3 for 42 and a tub. Michael Bandy. Bounced around. Been on a lot of people. Practice squad. One catch, 20 yard tub.

[Chad]

Hey, this game was won by the defense today. This game wasn't won by the defense today. This game was one. On the shoulders of Bo Nicholas Nicks. Boy, he played some ball today. Boy, Bo Nicks plays some hell of a ball today. Now, most of the time, we don't see games like this from Bo Nicks consistently, but if you can get games like this out of him, you know, when the defense is playing as well as they're playing, boy, there ain't nobody gonna beat these boys, man. It ain't nobody gonna be these boys. If you can get Bo Nicks playing at a high level like this, week in and week out, ain't nobody beating.

[Ocho]

Huh?

[Rob Gronkowski]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad]

Hey, I mean, It's P. Is P2 what you expect? That's what he do.

[Ocho]

Baited him.

[Chad]

That's what he do. They ain't, you know, they ain't nothing new. You know, we expect that from him. So when that happens. Now, what we saw from. From Bo Nix tonight, now we.

[Ocho]

We have.

[Chad]

We don't see this often.

[Ocho]

We don't see this often.

[Chad]

So we get a boat.

[Ocho]

Like how many. How many touchdowns Bo got? Bo got like 25 passing touchdowns.

[Chad]

He up a quiet one. Quiet, Quiet. Real quiet ones. Real quiet ones. Both nights. Both nights now, but today was different.

[Ocho]

How many interceptions? 23 and nine. It ain't bad.

[Chad]

Yeah, no, no, it's not bad at all.

[Ocho]

Not bad at all.

[Chad]

Goddamn. 3, 302. Man, Bowen.

[Ocho]

Boy, look, the defense got out, got after Jordan Love. Jordan Love. We started off hot, but that pressure, you know, VJ the decoordated Vance, who's gonna get some serious consideration for a new head as a head coach. He gonna bring pressure.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

He gonna trust that back end to hold up. And they're gonna come. He'll bring Singleton, who's middlebacker, obviously. You know, you got those guys. You got Cooper, you got Allen, you got Bonito. You got guys that can get after your quarterback. And he'll bring Hafanga occasionally. Ellis, look, they can come from all over the place. They're good defensively. If they get that kind of production out of both, they're the least sacked team in the NFL. And what for Xavier McKinney? We might have had more points because he was all over the field today, but we. 12 and 2. 12 and 2.

[Chad]

Yeah. Yo, yo, y' all good. I can't. Ain't nothing I can say. I can't even talk no trash.

[Ocho]

For the non contract injury and believed to have torn an ACL in his left knee in his first season with the Packers, Parsons has racked up 12 and a half sacks through 14 games. And he's never had fewer than 12 sacks in a season. And it came in 2024, when he only played 13 games while struggling with a sprained ankle. Ocho, how much of a blow to the. For the packers this is for Michael's injury this season?

[Chad]

I mean, it's a huge blow. It's a huge blow because you understand the impact that Michael Parsons bring to that team. They were, they're. They're a defense that, that were. That were very good. But obviously Michael Parsons elevates that defense and, and allowing them to do more in other areas because he's someone that you don't have to worry about. He's someone that offenses have to game plan for. Obviously. He had 12 and a half sacks. He had those, he had those sacks for a reason. There's a reason why they paid him. And he was able to command the money that he did once he was able to get out of Dallas because of what he's able to do.

[Ocho]

And that's why you get your money.

[Chad]

Oh, yeah, they.

[Ocho]

That's why you get your money.

[Chad]

Yeah. I mean, him being down is a huge.

[Ocho]

Oh, it is.

[Chad]

It's a huge blow. Obviously, other. Other players are going to have to step up.

[Ocho]

Rashawn, you know, Rashawn, we talked about him. He had seven and a half sacks in the first four weeks of the season. He still has seven and a half sacks.

[Chad]

Yeah, yeah. It's different. Hey, Young. It's different, boy. It's different. It's. It's not, it's not. It's not as easy.

[Ocho]

It's about to get a lot more difficult because think about how many, how many. How many constant double and triple teams that Michael gets. So he's working one on one a lot of times now. Lucas Van Ness. Ness, you need to step up, bro. You gotta step up. Rashawn you gotta step up. It's.

[Chad]

Hey, the funny thing is they out there trying too. It ain't like they're not trying, but that's just how difficult it is to get sacks. That's just how difficult it is. So to see what Michael Parsons is doing consistently year in, year out, to see what goddamn miles Garrett and T.J. watt and some of the Brian Burns, he's up there as well. When it comes to. It's so difficult to do it consistently year in and year out, especially when they know you come and when they know you coming, when they know you've already arrived and you're still able to consistently do it week in and week out. That's reserved for the special players. Special players. There's a reason they command the money. They do. They make a difference no matter where they are.

[Ocho]

Man, I feel bad for Watson because I think he's special, but he just cannot stay healthy. Ocho, he cannot stay healthy. He just got some of the bad. Look, I mean, because it looked like he might have dislocated the shoulder or broke his collarbone because he went down and then Pastor Tan intercepted and landed on top of him. You know, he heard it. He had hamstring issues. Memory towards knee. He can't. He had looked like he has fully recovered from the knee. He can fly, he got great hands, he can run routes. He just. His only thing is he can't stay healthy.

[Chad]

Yeah, that, that's, that's. I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think Christian Watson, I think is a track guy too. And most time track guys have, have issues with hamstring pulls and, and obviously he recovered from that. He came back, he's been playing extremely well. And boom, here we go again now, another injury. I'm hoping, I'm hoping it's just maybe, maybe something that he can come back. Maybe, maybe he's off maybe two, three weeks and he's able to push and get back. If they're able to make the playoffs, which I think they should have a chance, if I'm not mistaken.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah, they got a chance, but they're gonna have to look, Chicago is ahead of them and Detroit is right there on their ass. So they, they can't have, they can't. They can't afford slip ups again. I just need to know what's going on with these two point conversions. I'm trying to figure out why would Sean Payton go for two? Because if, if you, if you kick you, if you kick the pat and you kick score and you Kick the pat. Now they need two scores instead of one score. I don't, I, I, I'm trying. Look, coaches did just fine before analytics came into play. See, now analytics doesn't take into consideration momentum. Whatever happened to old gut feeling? I think, I think, Look, I'm not saying analytics doesn't have their place, Ocho, but I think coaches have become too reliant on analytics and they don't coach anymore. They looking at a place sheet. Well, they say if it's 4th and 4 or less, you should go for it. What about your gut?

[Chad]

What about momentum or just understanding the game? Just understanding the game. Understanding having a feel for the game. You know, understanding momentum. You know, momentum is going to shift at some point. Sometimes you want to go for the kill. Maybe he wanted to go for the kill.

[Ocho]

It was no kill. Oh. Because now, because here's the thing, Ojo, is that all you had to do is kick the path. Now instead of, okay, you gonna make. Because it doesn't make any sense. Okay, the score, you score, you make it 27 if they have 23 if you kick the PAT, it's 28, 23 if you score, touchdown if you go for two. So what is 29, 23 if they score a touchdown to kick a PAT, they still got the lead. Yeah, I can see if you go, if you, okay, if you want to say, ocho, I want to go make it a seven point game. But there is no, there is nothing you can do because there's not a 3.2-point play. That's what I don't get. And so now you miss it. You get a touch. So now guess what, Ocho, it's only a one possession game. They score a touchdown, get a two point conversion, they tied you. Whereas before. Whereas if you to kick the pat, guess what? They need two scores. I didn't get that. I don't get it. I didn't get it when it happened. And I don't care what any analytics person says. I don't get it.

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[Ocho]

You know, it truly is a team.

[Chad]

Those folks, myself included, all had one.

[Ocho]

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[Chad]

Trying to be a little bit of hope in a really, really bad situation.

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[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

It doesn't make sense. Oh, show. The Philadelphia Eagles rebounded from that Monday night, lost to the Chargers with a score of 31. Nothing over the Raiders, nobody's surprised. Jalen Hurst was 12, 15, 175, three touchdowns. He was relieved. Tyler McKee came in three or three. 33 yards. Saquon, 22 carries, 78 yards. Tank Bigsby, 17 carries, 57 yards. Jalen Hurts at 7 for 39, 47 rush attempts, 183 yards. Dallas got it. Seven catches, two touchdowns, 70 yards. Devonte, 2 for 50. And A.J. brown had 2 for 41 and a tub. Kenny Pickett. If I'm Raiders fans, I'm picketing him. 15, 15 to 25, 64 yards. Oo. Hey. Oo. 25 attempts, 64 yards. Ashton Genty, nine carries, 35 yards. They had 13 rushes. Oo. They had 38 plays. Oo. You didn't hear what I said. They had 38 total plays.

[Chad]

That's crazy. That's crazy when you think about it, huh?

[Ocho]

I want to see how. I want to see how long they had the ball. They could have had the ball more long than 15 minutes.

[Chad]

Probably. 13. I'm right. 13 is.

[Ocho]

Eagles had the ball 39, 25. The Raiders had it for 20, 35. They didn't get into the race.

[Chad]

That goddamn defense wasn't playing. Boy, he was one. Defense wasn't playing. Obviously we don't have a chance.

[Ocho]

The Raiders had. I don't even want to tell you. They had 75 total yards.

[Chad]

The whole game.

[Ocho]

Whole game. Ain't no way they practice.

[Chad]

Hey, that. That's almost unfair.

[Ocho]

They came to class. They like they had a Teacher come to class, that teacher sometimes. Hey, no work today.

[Chad]

That's exactly what it was.

[Ocho]

Told them to just go home.

[Chad]

Hey, the Raiders are bad this year.

[Ocho]

Boy, when have the Raiders been good? They made the play. They made the playoffs in 5G. They made the playoff that year. Derek Carr. They played Cincinnati and Cincinnati beat him. And I think that was the year Cincinnati went to the playoffs. That's been about four years ago, ain't it? They terrible, Ocho. They had seven 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 first downs.

[Chad]

Hold on, let me, let me look at that real quick.

[Ocho]

They were 3 of 12 on third down. The Eagles was 10 of 13 on third down. 13.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

They average.

[Chad]

That's crazy.

[Ocho]

They average one yard per pass.

[Chad]

Hey, they playing against that Eagles defense. Even, even if Gino Smith was playing today, it wouldn't have been no different. It wouldn't be no different. Like, I mean, the, the Raiders are bad all the way around. All the way around. Yes. I saw Matt Crosby got into it with the middle linebacker. Is it Devin White? Yeah, yeah. Max Crosby and Devin White, they argued on the sideline, you know, coming off. So I mean, hey, they need a, a big overhaul. You think some other teams having some issues.

[Ocho]

They bad. They terrible, Ocho. Trevor Lawrence accounted for six touchdown, including a career high five passing touchdowns as the Jags overwhelmed the jets from a. From start to finish, 4820 extended their winning streak to five games. Lawrence completed 20 of 32, 330 and didn't have a turnover for the third consecutive game. His passer rating was a career high 100. 136.7, the best in his five year career. Lawrence said after the game, definitely that is as confident as I felt just feeling in our locker room and our team and our office. It's been fun, but we've got to continue to build on that and not get complacent. There's still a lot ahead of us.

[Chad]

They had, hey, Trevor Lawrence had a good day, you know, he had a good day, you know, 335 TDs. But again, you know, you, you, you throw caution to, you know, caution to the win because you are playing the jets, you're playing another team. Similar. If you play the jets and you play the Raiders, you have a great outing. There's a reason why you had such a great outing. There's a reason why you look the way you did. I think if I'm not mistaken, I think if I'm not mistaken, the goddamn. The Jaguars are quiet 10 and 4.

[Ocho]

They are.

[Chad]

I think Right. Yeah, they, they're, they are quiet 10 and 4. I think they're going to be all right if they're going to continue to win or man make a run in the playoffs. Trevor Lawrence is going to have to keep playing like this. And I'm not talking about against the jets, against those opponents that are equal or to better than you. So to me, this is not a good test for them. It's great for team morale and momentum going into next week. I'm not sure who they're playing, but I mean, listen, you playing the jets, but we need to see performances like today and what you did today against some of the better teams where it's different.

[Ocho]

Well, I'm gonna use them to get my confidence up. Hey, hey, hey.

[Chad]

It looks like, it looks like teams are getting their confidence up on three teams, four teams if you play, if you play Arizona. And they gonna be, they gonna fight back, especially offensively if you play the jets, if you play the Raiders. And right now my Bengals.

[Ocho]

Oh, oh, guess who the jazz guy got next week. B R O N C O S Broncos.

[Chad]

Broncos.

[Ocho]

Broncos.

[Chad]

Yeah. Hey, hey. See now this is the game. That game against that defense, that's in Jacksonville. That's where you need to see. Hey, that's, that's what we need to see. Trevor Lawrence look like Trevor Lawrence did today.

[Ocho]

They come to us, Turn them loose.

[Chad]

5T, 5TDS.

[Ocho]

Turn me loose.

[Chad]

Golly.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad]

Nah, that's. Now that's gonna be a game to watch.

[Ocho]

C.J. stroud led the Texas to a sixth straight win, 40 to 20 over the Cardinals. The winning streak is the longest since the nine game run in 2018. They've rebounded from an Owens three start on a one game behind the Jags in the AFC south and currently allowing for a wild card spot. The Broncos are 10, 12 and 2. The Patriots are 11 and 3. The Jags are 10 and 4. The Steelers are 7 and 6. The Chargers are 10 and 4, Buffalo 10 and 4, Texans 9 and 5. Followed by the Colts, Ravens and Dolphins. Look, because they can get after your quarterback. They didn't say Jacobi Brissette but twice oo. So you got to give him credit. Trey McBride 12 catches a buck 34, 2d. He might, hey, he might lead and trip. He might triple crown the tight ends. Well, he already got catches of yards. He almost over. Is he over a thousand yet? He got to be close.

[Chad]

Gotta be. How many TDs does he have?

[Ocho]

C.J. stroud was 22 of 29, 263 touchdowns no interceptions. They ran the ball 33 times. Ocho for a buck 43, Nico Collins 3 for 85, two touchdowns. Dalton showed had 8 for 76 and a touchdown. Ogumbun Wale at 3 for 32, Cage Stover, so forth and so on. But Jacoby Brissette was 20 or 43, 249, three touchdowns, only one interception. Trey McBride was 12, 134 and two touchdowns. And Michael Wilson again, Ocho 5 for 54 and another touchdown. He has a thousand. Wow. Oh, you already got 10, 71 and 10. Tubs.

[Chad]

Wait, that, that might be a triple crown running for tight ends right there, huh?

[Ocho]

I mean look that I, I, I, I mean what would be very impressive. Well, he can't get. Well, he can get the triple Crown because anybody got that many touchdowns in AFC. Yeah, hell no. What you call him? Got 14, but he in the NFC. Devonte. I don't think no. Yeah, just AFC. Yeah, yeah. Could yeah. But I don't think, no, I don't think any receiver in the AFC has double digit touchdowns.

[Chad]

No.

[Ocho]

Yeah. T is the closest with nine. Any receivers going over a thousand yards? Oh, Chase, Chase probably over a thousand.

[Chad]

He is, he, Chase is fourth right now. I think he has a thousand.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah, I forgot he and the afc he in the nfc. He ain't gonna get no triple crown. Cause what you call him got 14. I thought he was in AFC. I don't know what I was thinking.

[Chad]

Devonte.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. I don't know, I don't know why I was thinking all of a sudden Arizona in the afc. Look you guys, I mean they got some weapons. I mean when they get Marvin Harrison Jr. Back McBride, Williams, you got look, excuse me. Wilson, you got, you got some receipt. You got some skill position players.

[Chad]

Jacoby gonna throw it now.

[Ocho]

But yeah, obviously they're gonna look, they're gonna look to go get to improve, upgrade that position. I don't know if it's going to be in the draft. I don't know anybody that's available. I don't think anybody that could be available can, can do any more than what Jacoby's doing. I don't see anybody that's somebody's backup that's not under contract that can come and do any better than what he's doing currently. But we'll see. I mean maybe they go in the draft and get it and get a quarterback on Joe. The Chargers beat the Chiefs and eliminated them from the playoffs. But that was not the worst news. Patrick Mahomes suffered season ending Torn ACL in his left knee in the closing minutes. Mahomes underwent an MRI after the game, and it was confirmed. He and the Chiefs are now exploring surgical options, according to the team. Patrick Mahomes tweeted, don't know why this had to happen, and I'm not going to lie, it hurts. But all we can do now is trust God and attack every single day and over, over and over again. Thank you, Chief's Kingdom, for always supporting me. For everyone who's reached out and sent prayers, I'll be back stronger than ever.

[Chad]

You know, it's weird, if I'm not mistaken, after winning three Super Bowls, Tom Brady tore his knee in his ninth season. After winning three Super Bowls, Patrick Mahomes also tears his knee in his ninth season. It's unfortunate, but understanding players like this, as great as they are, he's going to be able to come back stronger. There are changes, obviously, that need to be made within their own as well.

[Ocho]

Need to be made. Ocho. A lot of changes. A lot of changes. And I think they stuck with. I think they stuck with this roster far too long. I think they stuck with this roster far too long, Ocho. Far too long.

[Chad]

Right. So I'm not sure, obviously, when you look at it from top to bottom, I'm not sure where you start, especially for them, I think the offensive line.

[Ocho]

You gotta start with. Offensive line. Ocho, you need a running back.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You need a running back. Ocho. 21 carries for 49 yards.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Isaiah Pacheco had 11 carries for 21 yards. Kareem Hunt had six carries for 12 yards. Rashad Smith had two carries for one yard. Mahomes had two for 15 with a long of 12. You got to start with. You got a running back. You got to go get a running back far too long. Look and see what happens is, is that when you have success doing with a hodgepodge and not having a. You say, what's we can do? No, no, you can't. You can't. They're gonna have. They. They need to read. They need D line. They could go get the quarterback. Although they did a pretty good job today. Yeah, the coverage people, the safeties, they're not good. I mean, they give a touchdown with. They give a touchdown right before the half. Ocho, I'm like, nothing cheap, nothing deep.

[Chad]

Yep. You can't. You can't do that. You can't do that.

[Ocho]

Mahomes hadn't been seeing the field. He's gotten Rasheed Rice blown up, like, three times in two weeks.

[Chad]

Hey, that slant, that's you. You, you can't, you can't stare that slant down as much, as much as you want.

[Ocho]

He stared it down. And Rasheed, you better come flat. You take your ass up the field if you want to. And I say Jefferson. Okay, I guess I bet you don't have to tell him again, Ocho, what you want to bet.

[Chad]

That'S also on the quarterback on. Because if you give the goddamn safety a beeline by catching the ball or the ball being the ball snapping in your hands and the first thing you do is you look at him right away. I mean he reading that he safety not even backpedaling. He ain't going nowhere. That's why it's a bang bang play. If you keep your eyes right there, enforce that safety, at least shuffle maybe three steps. It give that receiver time to catch and protect itself. But if you don't, if you get the ball and you look right at him right away, well, hell ain't no threat. I'm going straight. I'm going straight.

[Ocho]

And he led him, and he led him on the shallow. I mean he got him blasted last week on like a shallow. He got him blasted again. I mean he's not, look, he's, he, he's still Patrick Mahomes. He has an impressive resume but based on the last couple of years, he's no, he's not the best quarterback. He has the most impressive resume. Because I don't, I don't believe, I don't let your resume like, oh, no matter what happens. No, I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure that guy up in Buffalo isn't the best quarterback currently going.

[Chad]

Yeah, well, I mean I think we can throw Drake May in that conversation too.

[Ocho]

All I know is he was 21 nothing to Drake May's team in Drake May's building. And he went five straight possessions with touchdowns.

[Chad]

Yeah, yeah. I think even though with today's loss, that doesn't take away from the resume. Drake.

[Ocho]

Oh no, no, no, no, no, no. But I didn't think, I didn't think Drake May was the MVP. Matthew Stafford is the MVP.

[Chad]

MVP.

[Ocho]

Matthew.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Don't count out 17 up in Buffalo. He playing his ass off.

[Chad]

No, yeah, absolutely. And you know, you know what else? I wouldn't surprise, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised if this is Buffalo's year.

[Ocho]

Well look, I wouldn't be surprised. You got, you got, you got your thrift tonight out the way. Somebody already did you a favor.

[Chad]

Three of them almost, almost out the way. You don't have to deal with Pat Mahomes. I'm not sure what the Ravens are going to do, you know, I mean, no. No disrespect to them. You might not have to deal with Lamar and Joe. Joe and company. They out the door.

[Ocho]

Look, I'm gonna tell you this. If Buffalo don't get there this year, based on what I'm. Sean McDermott ain't coming back. It ain't gonna get. Yeah.

[Chad]

This is their year.

[Ocho]

No Burrow, no Mahomes and possibly no Lamar. Now he's beating Lamar in the postseason. Yes.

[Chad]

Damn.

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Damn.

[Ocho]

Be the first time the Chiefs will miss the postseason since 2014. We talked about it, Ocho. We talked about changes that they need to make. They need a running back, they need to redo the offensive line. They got to get some receivers. Look, Juju is sure. Come on, man. I mean, Rasheed might be a number one for that team.

[Chad]

Right?

[Ocho]

But when we look at number ones, we look at number ones that they can go to a lot of different teams and be number ones. Chase going anywhere and be number one. Puka Nakua going anywhere, he'll be number one. Jetta.

[Chad]

Yes.

[Ocho]

I'm looking at guys. Like, they need. They need a guy, Ocho, not guys. Yeah, and I get it. And because what happens, Ocho, if you have success, think about they lost Cheetah. They go to three Super Bowls. They win two. Well, we don't need a number one. We don't need a running back. We don't need a Jameer Gibbs. We don't need a Cook, we don't need a Saquon. We don't need a Derrick Henry. But you can't. 49 yards. You're not gonna win, Ocho, with that offensive line, it puts so much pressure on your quarterback. Patrick Mahomes had to run all year long for his life.

[Chad]

Yep.

[Ocho]

I mean, Ocho, think about this here. Ocho, you remember, like, when the Chiefs were in the absolute best, you could not go to Arrowhead and not and score. If you didn't score 30 points when you Arrowhead, you couldn't beat the Chiefs losing.

[Chad]

Yeah. You lose.

[Ocho]

They scored 10 last week on the road to get 13 this week at home. And it's been. It's been dropping precipitously.

[Chad]

I mean, you gotta understand other teams are getting better. Other teams are used to some of the things that you like to do. They understand and know your tendencies now. They understand your weaknesses, especially up front. You know, being able to get Mahomes off The spot, some of the trick plays, some of the fun stuff, some of the entertaining stuff, and the creativity that coach has been able to call for that team, they're not able to do it right now. You can't do it now. Do it right now. Some of the fun they were having, the creativity Andy Reid had, you know, with calling plays when you can't do it. One of my favorite plays ever. Ever. I saw when they came out the huddle and they did the merry go round, I'm like, what the heck? What the hell? And it worked.

[Ocho]

Ocho. Chris Jones played a game, a complete game, and didn't register a stat. Makes 31 million. He's the highest paid defensive tackle in football. He didn't register a stat. He lines up offsides. They see him offside, they call timeout. He come out the timeout, and he lines up off sides again. The safeties aren't very good. Corners are just so. So even Trent McDuffie has taken a step back this year. Ocho, you watched him. I don't know if him not getting. Him not getting that contract extension, maybe that was playing on his head, but he ain't the same. Follow. The Chief's elimination from the NFL playoffs will not include Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Patrick Mahomes for the first time since 1998.

[Chad]

Damn. Hey, don't. Boy. Hey. Greatness, even greatness, has a setback.

[Ocho]

Chris Jones had no clue today was an elimination game for the Chiefs until reporters told him. Press post game presser. We still have a fighting chance. Oh, we're out of the playoffs. Yep. Y' all done? Tony Jefferson was ejected from the Chiefs game after helmet to helmet hit on Tyquan Thornton. Many question the objection on social media. Ocho, do you think it was the right call?

[Chad]

Hey, hey, listen. They handicapped defenders so much, they've handicapped players on defense so much. I. We don't. We don't know what's the right call and what's not. This is still the game of football. At the end of the day, it's still the game. It's a barbaric sport. It's a dangerous sport, huh? It just is. And there's. There's no way to protect players offensively when defenders only have one thing to do. There's only you. You can't change the way you tackle. You can't change the speed of the game. I mean, there's nothing you can do. So they hit me. Defenders, they hand the tie behind the back. What do you want them to do? It's like you almost, you have to, you have to come up, play two hand touch. Your job as a defender is to dislodge the ball from the player.

[Ocho]

Separate man from ball.

[Chad]

That's a job. It always has been. There's nothing, there's nothing they can do. They've handicapped the game already. So much for defenders where a lot of catches, a lot of touchdowns are happening because players are becoming gun shy, not willing to take those hits.

[Ocho]

You're right.

[Chad]

I don't want to get, I don't want to get. Fine. They taking bad angles. They going low, hitting players in their knees, causing injuries. You know that. It's just, I, I, I don't know what to do. I don't even, I don't know what to say.

[Ocho]

Jefferson was booed heavily as he left the field and apparently made an obscene gesture towards the Chiefs fans after the game. He apologized. Jefferson, I apologize for that. I'm classic than that. I was just caught up in the moment. I won't sit here and act like I'm a perfect man. I messed up when I did that. I have kids at home and there are kids out there watching the game, too. So I apologize. They probably got it on television, I don't know. But if they did, I apologize. The Chiefs fans, my kids and all the kids around, we just had TJ on, on the show and I. And bro, hey, hats off. We talk about this all the time, bro. When emotions of high logic is low. You admitted you made a mistake. The NFL's probably gonna find you, but you owned up to it. It didn't take you a whole lot of time. And you didn't lie and say, I didn't do anything. Or did you say, look, bro, my emotions got the best of me. I apologize to the Chiefs fans. I apologize to all the kids around the world that watch me because I'm classier than that. And I hold myself to a higher standard than that. But my emotions got the best of me. And for that, I'm sorry. Oh. The Browns beat the. The Bears beat the Browns. Excuse me. By the score of 31 3, the Browns held Cleveland to 192 yards and turned three interceptions against Shador into 17 points. With three takeaways, Chicago extended their league lead to 30. Remember? Oo. Yeah. Da. Dennis Allen, he was in Denver. He was D coordinator. He was at the Raiders, he was at the Saints. He's an unbelievable defensive coordinator. And I think we had Jalen Johnson on earlier in the year, and he was talking about what he brought that sweat, you know, they got guys that can take. Kevin Bayard can take the ball away. They, they brought in CJ Gardner Johnson who can take the ball away. And seemsly good things always follow the teams that he ends up landing on.

[Chad]

But they got guys every, every time quarterback.

[Ocho]

And they did a great job. Fresh adore. They sacked him five times, they picked him off three times and. But he's going to have to learn. I keep saying this. He keeps bubbling. Yeah, he's not going to outrun defense. Not, not defensively ends in this league. Ocho. But somehow he thinks he is. You're not your father Shador. You don't have that kind of athleticism. Sometimes you could step up and then go, but you trying to bubble. It ain't gonna happen. He made a couple of good throws to ocho. He hit 16. I forget his name. Ocho. He hit him. He had him for again. But he put it up, put too much air. The wind got it and killed it. If he, if he threw that one more on the line, O, that's a touchdown. That's a touchdown. But he has to understand, bro. That's why you get out there and you, you get a, you try to get adjusted to the wind. You can't throw when it's that cold. That air is heavy.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

If you, if you, if you're in the Midwest, that air is heavy. So.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Plus it's probably a little windy. You put that ball up there like that high, it ain't going where you.

[Chad]

Think it is every time. Every time especially. This is a good game for him too. He didn't play well. He didn't play well enough or he didn't play well for them to be able to compete and contend. A Chicago Bears team and defense and offense that's been clicking on all cylinders damn near all, all year long. Been clicking on all cylinders all, all damn year long. But he did make some good throws. But he didn't play well enough today. Obviously this is a game that he continue to grow from. And playing in those conditions. I played in Chicago. I'm sure you played there too. People in the chat, if you're from Chicago, you also know you got to go out there and warm ups. You got to go out in the warm ups and adapt to the elements and understand what you can and what you can't do. There are certain throws you won't be able to make. Not in that environment, not with that win and not with those elements. And I mean, he just didn't play well. There's really nothing, nothing else really to say about it. There were intercepts today. They made him uncomfortable. He doesn't have the foot speed to be able to escape the pocket like he wants to, especially when he tries to bubble and outrun some of the defensive ends. If anything, you got to play. You got to play within your strengths. Drop back. If you, if you're in the gun, stay with, stay. Stay within the framework of what you're able to. You know, your pocket presence. He has great pocket presence. He has great pocket awareness. And when you are able to be mobile, do it within the tackles, within the guards. Anything outside is just not happening unless they commit and crash down too fast. Outside of that, trying to. Trying to bubble out and trying to outrun the DNS is not going to work because all of them, all of the goddamn DNS, and they damn near four. They damn near.

[Ocho]

If they four, six, they still gonna catch him at four, eight, four, nine, right? Ocho, Judy gotta help him. He hit Judy in the chest. Ocho, that can't be an interception. It can be an incompletion, but it can't be an interception.

[Chad]

In the end zone, the one Jalen Johnson picked off.

[Ocho]

Ocho, that can't be an interception. It's a touchdown or an incompletion.

[Chad]

Yeah, you got to be able to. You got to be able to get that in some chest.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. You got to make the one thing that we will not do. Ocho and I, we're going to call it like I see it, how we see it. Shador didn't play well today. There's no way to sugarcoat that. Yeah, the elements. Yeah. Caleb Williams was out there in that. In the same 10 degree weather, the wind blowing, what it. Whatever it was, he was in it. Also. His players had to make plays. Luther Burton III made plays. DJ Moore made play. Coastal Loveland made plays. Commit made plays. Okay. I like Harold Fannin Jr. I mean, he had 14 targets. Ocho, he made plays.

[Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Isaiah Bond made some plays. But Judy, you got to make plays for it. Shador, you got to do a better. You got to do a better job of get. Just. Hey, just get rid of the ball. It's okay. I think the thing is, is that for so long he's been able to make every play. Ocho, at most levels, he thinks that's the same. It ain't happening. Tom Brady couldn't make every play. Peyton Manning couldn't make every play. You lay him a great quarterback and he couldn't make every play. Shador is going to have to Learn how to throw, learn when to throw the ball away. And he hasn't learned that yet. And I don't know why. I don't know. It's only, what is it? 4 stardocho, fourth, fifth stock.

[Chad]

So now as.

[Ocho]

Think as it, as this thing progresses, let's take all this information, all this information that you're getting right now, catalog it. You have. You're going to have a great portfolio to look at going into this off season of things that you absolutely need to work on. And when you come back next year, these mistakes, Ocho and I are not going to be as forgiving. We understand that you're a rookie quarterback and only a sports start, but moving forward as next year in the same position, we won't know. You can't make those mistakes. That's unforgiving.

[Chad]

And then the one thing, and the one thing about it is he's going to have to be able to recall some of the things that happened this year. And when those, when you're put in those situations again the following year, you don't make those same mistakes. You don't make those same mistakes because you're able to recall, okay, I know this has happened. Oh, shoot. They run the same defense. Or I see that safety coming down. I see that safety plan on the Hassan. Okay, they're not coming. I understand. And so you, once you were able to recall the information and regurgitate it mentally in your head and visualize what's coming because, damn, I saw that last year. So I know exactly what's coming. And I, I think, I think he's gonna be, gonna be all right.

[Ocho]

But obviously the one thing we gotta look, there's only one starting offensive lineman that started the season that was starting today. So all this, all this notion that he has the same office. No, it's not the same offensive line that the other quarterback started with. It's not. So let's take that into consideration. So now he's out there playing, he's playing with a backup offensive line. You see what, look at the difference between Chicago. Chicago was the most sacked team. They were 30th in Russian. Now they're second in Russian. They're second. Only the Broncos have allowed fewer sacks than what the Bears. You see the difference? People talking about Caleb Williams. I told you they should have taken Jaden Daniels and that that all could pan out. But you see what the Bears did. The Bears went out and said, you know what? We've got a franchise quarterback. We've got to protect him. And Joe Tuney. They go get. They go get a left guard. They go get a center. They get Jonah. I think it's Jonah Jones. I think they got him from the Rams. They get a right tackle now they're able to run the ball. They're seconded rush yards per game. Their second have allowed the second fewest sacks. You see the difference with Caleb Williams now and last year. Look at this team last year compared to this year. They're challenging for the number one seed. They got 10 wins already with three games to play. Personnel matters. Offensive line, that's how you build. You build your team front to back. I don't give a damn who your quarterback is. Let him not get protected and see what happens. You see how ordinary Mahomes look when he's running for his life. You see, Brad? We saw that with Brady. I don't care who you are, your offensive line can't protect you. You ain't doing much of nothing.

[Chad]

Yeah, absolutely. But.

[Ocho]

Absolutely, man, Miles, man, I should. Man, I. Boy, I sure hope Miles look like he tweaked that growing Ocho. He got a sack and a half. He's at 21 and a half. He needs a sack and a half to break the record. He got three games. What. What's. What's on Cleveland schedule? They got the bill. Oh, Lord. Sit this without mind, but let's get healthy. Bills, Steelers, Bengals. Oh, he gonna get that record. He gonna get that record against y'.

[Chad]

All.

[Ocho]

Nah, he gonna get that record now. He gonna get that record. Josh Allen is not an easy quarterback to sack. Damn it. First of all, getting to it might be easy getting his big ass on the ground, because think about it. He's bigger than Big Ben. He's faster than Big Ben. See, the issue wasn't getting to Big Ben. It was getting his ass on the ground once you got to it.

[Chad]

Yeah, he be.

[Ocho]

Is a big boy, but Miles Garrett, he's going to be a unanimous defensive player of the year. Nobody else is really in the running for that. 21 and a half sacks. I just hope that groin is able to hold up and he's able to play these next three weeks. But look, Cleveland, man, you, you, you. You gotta get. You gotta. You gotta get an offensive line. You gotta get. You got to get your door. Some weapons. That's all I got. That's what we got for you. Without weapons. Yeah, you got something up here. What say Jerry Judy needs to delete his social media for a while during the broadcast. Oh, check this out. During the broadcast, Allison Williams reported that the Browns removed Shador's wristband and made some changes to the play call. Ocho, how you remove the wristband and add plays to a wrist, Ocho, have you ever heard anything like this?

[Chad]

I've never heard anything like that, but I know when you do go into a game, obviously, uncle, you know, you understand. And those that have played the game at any level, the first 15 plays are scripted. Now, outside, you have a. You have a number of plays that you practice all week. You practice all week that are on that wristband. And obviously, you go to your wristband to be able to reflect on what they want to call based on what they call into your ear. Now, whatever they did, once they take that wristband off, I'm still sure it's plays that just might not have been on the wristband.

[Ocho]

How they not on the wristband, Ocho? You what you.

[Chad]

You.

[Ocho]

What they do? They call in. They'll say 34. You scan down 34. Okay, red right, 17. Blah, blah, blah, blah. That's what they do. That's why you see the guy, you see you go, chad, when you look at them, you see they going down like this. Here. Oh, there. Okay, Right there. That's the play. How the hell you add plays to a. You had all week. What plays are you adding to a wristband that you took time out and you had your secretaries to type up and put on? Now you take the risk, band off and to add plays. I've never heard. I've never heard of this in my life.

[Chad]

Listen, hey, I've never heard of it either. But that is the only explanation I can think of is that there were players that they wanted to run that they might have practiced during the week. They just wasn't on the current wrist brand. That's the wrong current wrist brand. That's the only thing I can think of.

[Ocho]

So why would you not put them on there?

[Chad]

Yeah, I have no idea. But listen, your thought is just as good as mine. That's the only thing I can think of.

[Ocho]

Because.

[Chad]

Because what? But you know what?

[Ocho]

You.

[Chad]

You know what they not going to do? You know what they not going to do? They not going to call no plays that they didn't run or practice during the week. They not going to do that.

[Ocho]

So why. So why. So why would you add plays? So if those. If. If you really to add those plays, clearly you practiced them, why weren't they already on the wristband?

[Chad]

Yeah. Ain't. Ain't no telling. Ain't no telling.

[Ocho]

Because when I heard it, Ocho Ocho, here's Stefanski being asked about it after the game.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Early on, was there something wrong with Sanders wristband?

[Ocho]

Yeah, there was a miscommunication early. I think they mentioned that you guys had the wrong plays in the wristband on the first two drives.

[Chad]

Is that.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Is that accurate?

[Ocho]

No. Yeah, yeah, there was something. I don't know if the wristband got something on it or whatever it was, but there was a. We got that fixed pretty quickly, Ocho.

[Chad]

I mean, you know, the funny thing about it is it's hard when reporters ask a coach a question, especially like that. A coach is always going to be PC, he's always going to be politically correct and not give the true, honest answer on what the issue is behind whatever it was that happened with the wristband. They're never going to tell us the truth. They're never going. So now it leaves all of us guessing. It leaves all of us guessing because the wristband is made up of. Excuse me, before. Before maybe what? Maybe a Friday, maybe a Saturday. Because you understand what plays you have, what bulk of plays you like, what vocal plays we ran in practice that Shador did well, and that's what goes on the wristband.

[Ocho]

But here's the thing, Ocho, they're not leaving till Saturday morning. So Saturday morning is the last official wristband that you're going to get, right? So that's what you're going to. You're going to have. That's what you're to going. Your first 15 plays, the first 15, you already know what they are. You walk through those, you've talked about them the night before. The quarterback coach has gone over those with Shador. These are the plays, the first 15 plays that we're going to call. This is a first down play. This is our second down play. This is our third down play. This is what you know, X, Y and Z. This is our red zone play. This is our goal to go play. That's all on the wristband. There might be 150 plays on the wristband and he'll tell you, play 76. So you gotta. Okay, 76. Okay, okay. But I've never heard anything like this because they asked him with the wrong place of wristband. He said, yeah, no. So I don't know what to make of this and I don't want to make it seem like we're trying to make excuses for him, but I've never heard this before, Ojo. I really haven't.

[Chad]

I haven't. And it's really somewhat of a red flag for something like that happen in the middle of a game. In the middle of a game. We as coaches, excuse me, I'm talking about we as coaches, but as players I understand how well prepared we are going into a game. So how something like this can happen is beyond me. Especially with this at the NFL.

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