BEST OF NFL Week 15 Part 2: Mahomes’ FUTURE & Grandpa Rivers STILL GOT IT!

Summary

Club Shay Shay - "Best of NFL Week 15 Part 2: Mahomes’ Future & Grandpa Rivers STILL GOT IT!"

Date: December 17, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe (Host/Analyst 1)
Co-host: Ocho (Analyst 2)
Guests: Butter (Guest/Fan)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the biggest stories from NFL Week 15, focusing on Patrick Mahomes’ injury and uncertainty around his future, the surprising play of veteran Philip Rivers, the struggles of the Cowboys and Bengals, standouts like J.J. McCarthy, and the impact of key injuries across the league. Shannon Sharpe and Ocho bring their signature blend of humor, insight, and friendly trash talk, with Butter joining to provide the fan’s perspective after attending his first live NFL game.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cowboys vs. Vikings: Team Construction & Quarterback Play

Timestamp: 03:20 – 13:00

• Cowboys Struggles: Despite decent individual stats, Dallas’s flaws are exposed in their 34–26 loss to the Vikings. The hosts critique the team’s defensive construction and a recurring cycle of blaming/firing defensive coordinators without holding players accountable.
• J.J. McCarthy’s Growth: Both analysts note that Minnesota’s young QB looked competent, making key throws but missing on some big opportunities (notably to Justin Jefferson).
  • “J.J. McCarthy looked like a quarterback of the future. ... He just needs time and chemistry, especially with Jetta.” (Ocho, 04:58)
• Key Defensive Issues:
  • The Cowboys lack impact players on defense following injuries, with the hosts calling Micah Parsons their last true "game-changer."
  • “Y’all keep firing every DC. At some point in time, we got to hold people accountable.” (Host, 10:46)
• Personnel Versus Coaching:
  • Ocho emphasizes that coaching only goes so far without the right talent: “If you don’t have the personnel, it really doesn’t matter who the goddamn coach is.” (11:30)

2. Ravens Dominate Bengals: Fan Perspective & Franchise Woes

Timestamp: 16:13 – 26:08

• Ravens Shut Out Bengals 24–0:
  • Cincinnati is eliminated from playoff contention. Ocho reacts emotionally as a fan and former player, lamenting the state of the franchise and offensive line.
  • “It was embarrassing... As a fan of football in general and a team that I played for. To put on a performance like that?” (Ocho, 39:50)
• Butter’s Game Day Experience:
  • Butter describes his memorable first NFL game — being in the suite, trash-talking with fans, and the unique experience of seeing his team win big on the road.
  • “I had an amazing time. This is one of the best days of my life.” (Butter, 31:30)
• Team Needs & Offseason Fixes:
  • Ocho lists priorities for Cincinnati: bolster the O-line, find impact defenders, and explore veteran acquisitions.
  • “We need an impact player defensively. We need someone on the back end as well… like Lane Johnson or Trent Williams, just that kind of player.” (Ocho, 20:43–21:06)
• Quarterback Futures:
  • Discussion of Joe Burrow’s frustrations, fan unrest, and whether he’ll stay in Cincinnati much longer.
  • “I give him two to three years. Joe Burrow be playing somewhere else.” (Host, 37:47)

3. NFL Injuries: The Mahomes Situation

Timestamp: 50:47 – 62:08

• Mahomes Has Surgery:
  • Discussion of Mahomes’ ACL/LCL injury, its implications for next season, and comparisons to similar high-profile recoveries (like Teddy Bridgewater).
  • “Mahomes will begin rehab process immediately... his availability to start next season is in question.” (Host, 51:40–51:44)
• Injury Recovery & Rehab Advances:
  • Ocho and the Host detail differences in athlete recovery times, the resources that top athletes have, and the crucial importance of the left (plant) leg for a right-handed QB.
  • “Mahomes at 95% is better than half the goddamn league at a hundred.” (Ocho, 52:07)
• ACL Epidemic or Just Bad Luck?
  • They cite stats showing this year has a comparatively low number of ACL tears, but the impact is outsized because of the “big names”—Mahomes, Parsons, Bosa, etc.
  • “It just sucks because your polarizing figures, your impact players, the ones that put butts in the seats are getting injured.” (Ocho, 55:19–55:55)
• Why Women Tear ACLs More Often:
  • Sharpe points to research and experience with medical professionals, noting that women are statistically more likely to tear ACLs, mainly due to less muscle mass and bone density compared to men.

4. Grandpa Rivers Returns: Colts vs. Seahawks

Timestamp: 66:44 – 72:08

• Philip Rivers, Age 44, Nearly Leads a Comeback:
  • Rivers plays his first NFL game in five years, performing admirably but ultimately losing to Seattle (18–16).
  • “I thought he played... I thought Philip Rivers didn’t play bad considering, Ocho, the man ain't really had no serious... He was 18 of 27.” (Host, 69:01)
• Seattle's Kicker Saves the Day:
  • Jason Myers sets a franchise record with six field goals, supplying all points for Seattle.
• Rivers’ Enduring Value:
  • Discussion of the rare cases where older QBs (due to the nature of the position) can still contribute.
  • “You can play a position that doesn’t require athleticism. ...Only quarterback.” (Host, 72:08)

5. NFL Standouts & Playoff Picture

Timestamp: 70:00 – 76:45

• Jackson Smith-Njigba’s Rise:
  • The receiver is on pace for a record-setting season, showing superb consistency for Seattle.
  • “He should be a unanimous first team all-pro, you know that.” (Host, 70:43)
• Tight End Trey McBride’s Big Year:
  • Leading the league in receptions, McBride is highlighted as a possibly historic tight end performer.
• Playoff and MVP Race Talk:
  • Rams’ offense is clicking, with standout games from Stafford, Puka Nacua, and others; Stafford has an inside track for MVP.
  • “Matthew Stafford is winning. ...And deserving.” (Ocho & Host, 74:45–74:51)
• Lions show fight but fall short:
  • Jared Goff’s stats, Amon-Ra St. Brown’s huge day, but ultimately not enough against red-hot Rams.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Defensive Accountability (10:46):
  • Host: "At some point in time, we got to hold people accountable. Y'all don't ever want to hold it because you keep firing... At what point in time are you gonna hold these players accountable?"
• On Burrow’s Future in Cincinnati (37:47):
  • Host: "I give him two to three years. Joe Burrow be playing somewhere else."
• On Mahomes’ Recovery (52:07):
  • Ocho: “Mahomes at 95% is better than half the goddamn league at a hundred.”
• Butter’s First NFL Game Experience (31:30):
  • Butter: “I had an amazing time. This is one of the best days of my life.”
• Fan Frustration & Trash Talk (43:04):
  • Ocho: “I can't say foot or ball. I can't say touch or down because we ain't even got that. Hell, I can't even say feel or goal. We ain't get that either.”
• On Player Perseverance and Playing Through Pain (66:44):
  • Host: “As long as I can go out there and play ...I'm not going to use that as an excuse as I'm hurt. And that's why I'm not playing.”

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Cowboys vs. Vikings Defensive Issues: 03:20 – 13:00
• Ravens Shut Out Bengals & Butter’s Game Day: 16:13 – 26:08, 27:04 – 34:43
• Joe Burrow Future Speculation: 37:41 – 39:50
• Mahomes’ Injury Breakdown & League Injury Talk: 50:47 – 62:08
• Philip Rivers’ Comeback & Seahawks Win: 66:44 – 72:08
• Stafford, Rams & Standout Playmakers: 70:00 – 76:45

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, competitive, humorous, and at times raw.
• Frequent back-and-forth banter between Sharpe and Ocho.
• Deep football insight mixed with relatable fan reactions and personal experience stories.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Week 15 was defined by major injuries, surprising performances from veterans like Rivers, and rising stars on both sides of the ball.
• The Cowboys and Bengals both face deeper organizational problems – not just coaching changes but fundamental talent and culture issues.
• Mahomes’ injury casts a shadow on the Chiefs’ 2026 hopes; meanwhile, young playmakers and seasoned QBs keep the storylines dynamic across the league.
• The episode offers a unique fan perspective thanks to Butter, as well as a wealth of historical player context from Shannon and Ocho.

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For diehard NFL fans and casual listeners alike, Club Shay Shay’s Week 15 breakdown offers both the emotional highs and lows of the game—with lots of laughs, smart takes, and a side of healthy smack talk.

Transcript

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[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Listen, from Minnesota, I like, I like what I saw from J.J. mcCarthy. Obviously Andrews, you know, it stumped his career a little bit, but. And then obviously once he came back, he didn't look up to par. We questioned whether the Vikings were right about allowing Sam Donald to get outside of the house and go and go to Seattle. But what we saw from JJ McCarthy was something that he can build off of. He looked like a common quarterback. He looked like a quarterback of the future. There's some throws, there's some throws that I think he would want back tonight that should have been completely Justice Jefferson. Again, chemistry, timing, all that routine. I think they will, they will continue to get better at that, especially when they work together in the off season. Outside of that, Jay Z. McCarthy looked good. He looked good. I mean, on the ground they didn't do really much. I mean, Aaron Jones had 12, 12 for 34. Hagerson looked pretty good. And outside of that, the defense played extremely well. Pressuring Dak, getting him off the spot. And I think for them, I think they're going to need JJ McCarthy to play good football, not turn the ball over. And when he has opportunities to make throws, he has to be as consistent as possible and allow the defense to carry them the rest of the way through.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Yeah, I don't know. I. I think this season's over. I don't see a pathway, a path for them to get into the playoffs. Considering you looking out west, they got three teams that have that already. I think, if I'm not mistaken, already have. I think the Lions. Excuse me, Lions. The rams already have 10 wins, maybe 11. I think they got 10 wins. Yeah, Seattle, San Francisco's right there. So I don't see a path for them getting into the playoffs. They're not. I don't see them catching Green Bay. And could they possibly over Elite Frog the Lions? We don't know. But it's going to be hard for even the Lions to make it, given what we've seen thus far. With that being said, Ocho, I agree with you. I thought JJ McCarthy made some good throws. He overshot. He had a. Had Jetta on a deep over. He was wide open. If he hits him in stride, that's a touchdown. But then he had Jetta wide open in the end zone and Jetta just let the ball get up on him and it went right through his hands.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah. Hey, listen, I hate when that happened. Don't that ever happened to you? You judging the ball. Your hands are already in place, but the ball gets.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Oh, he had some juice on it. Ocho. He had some juice on it.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah, yeah. He let that one go. Hold on. There's another throw also. There's another throw also. That should have been a touchdown. It was the back shoulder. It was a back shoulder. Jetta, all he had to do was hit him a little bit more. Just aim at that outside shoulder pad. Aim at the outside shoulder pad. But he threw it way too far away. It wasn't even nowhere near catchable. And that should have been touched down as well.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, he's basically a rookie quarterback, although he's in the second year. And he'll get better timing of how to throw the back shoulder. That is an art. Everybody can't throw the back shoulder. Everybody can't have that kind of chemistry like Aaron Rodgers and Devonte Adams had for so, so many years. And we see Devonte and, and, and Matthew Stafford pick right up where, where they left off. That chemistry that Devonte had with M with Aaron Rodgers, we're gonna talk about Devonte. He left this game. He left the game with a hamstring injury that it looked, it didn't look good. Cuz he went down. It wasn't like he grabbed and, and limped off. He went down, he's like he shut it completely down. So that lets me know that thing really grabbed. Hopefully he didn't, you, he didn't pull it. OO but we'll see, you know, we'll get further confirmation tomorrow. But looking at the Cowboys. OO this is a poorly constructed team. You look at the back end, it's not very good. They're not very good at all. They don't really have pass rushes. No one that could, you know, that can beat one on one coverage that can get home consistently. You need somebody that can win consistently. Go ahead.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

OO I, I I'm gonna say when you look at obviously there are three different levels, obviously. And the, the second level and the third level is the weakness for the Packers.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Well, I think, I don't think the linebackers, the middle, the backers, Ocho, they rotate. They got Kenneth Murray and they got the guy that they got from you guys. I think his name is Logan Wilson. Right.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

They're not good.

[Host/Analyst 1]

They're not good.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hold on. But that's, that's where I was going with it. I said that the, the second level and the third level would be the Achilles heel for them. Obviously on, on that front end. They need, I like Kenny Clark, I like Quinn and Williams. I like them. I like what they showed tonight and what they can do. But they need an impact player. They need the impact player, someone that can damn near change the game and impact it. But the hard part is ain't another Michael Parsons out there. Only so many TJ Watts, Michael Parsons, only so many Miles Garrett's. But if they can find someone decent who can be an impact player that teams have to worry about when you're playing as the Cowboys, it can change things tremendously for them defensively.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Yeah, they haven't had an impact player. The last impact player they really had. I'm talking about consistent. Like look, Diggs had an, an exceptional one year. He went to the Pro bowl. He was an All Pro D. Bland was an all pro, had one year. But the true impact player that was consistent game in and game out that you had to game plan over years has been Micah. Now Michael's in Green Bay. Now he suffered an injury. Many believe it's an acl. But we'll get further confirmation with an MRI tomorrow, Ocho. But it didn't look good because it looked like he tried to change direction. A non contact injury. Anytime we see non contact and the guy goes down to the ground like that and he seems like he was in excruciating pain, he knew something because he grabbed that knee immediately, we'll get further confirmation of what transpired. But they don't have that type of guy. And teams that if you want to win, you've got to have one of those guys. Preferably you like to have more than one. But if you can get one, you can have a pretty good. You can have a pretty good defense. They don't have that. Abra FL is a guy that he doesn't like to play man coverage. He's a cover two. He's a zone defensive coordinator at some point in time. Now, see, Cowboy fans, y' all keep saying fire Eber Flutes, but when you had Mike Nolan fire Mike Nolan. When you had the guy, I think he was. You had. What's the guy's name? He was at Tampa. Fire him. You had, you had Zim fire him. You fired every. At what point in time are you gonna hold these players accountable? Y' all don't ever want to hold it because you keep fire. You fired everybody. Go back and look at every defensive coordinator. The majority of the Cowboy fans have said, fire him, fire him. Fire this guy. Fire that guy. Fire this guy. And he used to be Detroit. He was the D coordinator for the Cowboys, but they got rid of him. They got rid of Mike Nolan, they got rid of Zim, and they got rid of. They just keep getting rid of everybody. At some point in time, we got to hold people accountable.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

And you know what else? I think people need to also understand and recognize regards to who the coaches are most of the time. Coaching is one thing. It's one thing to have a bad coach, it's one thing to have, have a great coach. But also personnel matters, what you have to work with also matters. If you don't have the players to be able to run whatever scheme or taxes that you have in play. Those philos, those philosophies and ideologies from a, from, from a game plan perspective aren't going to work. Regards to who's coaching. I mean, I mean, coach coaching is good. It's a great thing to have. But if you don't have the personnel, you don't have the players, the, the special players at certain positions to be able to. To be able to do some of the things you want to do. Defensively it really doesn't matter who the goddamn coach is.

[Host/Analyst 1]

No, it doesn't. It doesn't. I don't think the players are. I mean, they're okay, but they're not life. They're not. They're not game changers. They're not lifesavers. They're not. Man, I gotta have that guy. I gotta have. Oh, boy, I need him. They don't have one player on their defense. I like Overshawn. He's a speed guy. He can wreak havoc. He's coming off an injury. I think next year he'll be better than he was.

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[Host/Analyst 1]

This year. The Ravens, my team, beat Ocho's team. As a matter of fact, both of your teams lost today and the guppies might get it tomorrow night too. The Ravens beat the Bengals by the score, 24 to nothing. The Bengals, like they have been in the previous years, have officially been eliminated from the playoff. What's new? Water's wet, sky is blue. Gravity does exist.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey, that was a bad. Oh, go ahead, go ahead.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I could have swore. I haven't give you enough information to have you have an opinion on something just yet. Can you just slow down? Joe Burrow was 25 or 39. 225.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

2.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Not 1. 2 ints. 1 man Calvin or picked it up and then handed it off. Yeah, it got without a sideline.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey, hold on, hold on. Let me, let me, let me tell you whatever that reminded me of right Please tell me, and I know you remember anytime, that Ravens secondary with Chris McAllister, Samari Rowe, one of them boys. But even if he wasn't there at the time, anytime Ed Reid got an interception, what's the first?

[Host/Analyst 1]

They look at the lateral, they look at the pitching.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

They want to make sure it's a house call every time. And I was like, how the hell Cowboy Norton knew to do that? Well, you know what? I know I'm not fast enough to make it to the other end.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Absolutely not.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah.

[Host/Analyst 1]

He wasn't going to make it. Chase Brown, 1353 on the ground. Samajpuran had 14 carries, 42 yards. Joe Burrow had 2 for 5, 29. They had 29 total rush attempts for 100 yards. Jamar Chase had 10 catches for a buck, 32, 16 targets. Oh, I told you the defense wasn't good. I told you that. I said. You actually think the Raven's gonna turn the ball over five times again? You think the Ravens gonna turn the ball over five times again? Ocho.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey, uncle. You right. You right, you right. You right? Listen, listen. I'm thinking with my heart. I'm thinking with my heart and not really understand the game of football that you're not going to have a game like that. The Ravens aren't going to have a game like that. Anytime they have eight back there, they're going to always have a chance. And I was nervous. And I was nervous. I was hoping. I was hoping for us, for our sake, that we won this game, because I understood what it could do for us, but for the team morale in general, you know, if we were able to win this game and pull it out and be able to sweep the Ravens, you know, this season in.

[Host/Analyst 1]

In the.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

In the division, and it. It didn't happen. It. It didn't happen. The Ravens played one hell of a game. Lamar made some fabulous plays. I mean, Zay Flowers made some plays. I just thought it was a bad game. We put up a donut. Huh? We put up a donut.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Y' all practice all week to that. Y' all practice to that.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey, listen, we. We on. I. It was. It was embarrassing, but it was embarrassing for me. No, no, it was. It was. No, it was embarrassing. A donut. Our quarterback is. Is.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Is. Is.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Is Joe Burrow. Huh?

[Ryan Seacrest]

We.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

We have. We have Chase Brown at running back. Huh? You hear me? We got the greatest receiver to ever play and wear. And wear them goddamn stripes on his helmet. And Jamar Chase.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I don't know.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Like that.

[Host/Analyst 1]

That's who we Got offensive look like Charlie Brown. You all had the peanut. Y' all had.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Lions go zero.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Lucy, Peppermint Patty, Pig Pen, Snoopy.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey, listen, I'm really. Hey, we need. We need to make changes. We need to make changes. Hey, listen, I'm not sure where those changes, where those changes need to come from, but listen, in order to win in the NFL, in order for us to contend and compete, it's not about skill, position, it's not about quarterback. Games are won and lost in the trenches. That's what we need to start at. That's what we need to start out. We need an impact player. We need an impact player defensively. We need someone on the back end as well. We need. We need a great.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I told you you didn't have that. What happened to Geno Stone? I thought you liked Geno Stone.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

I like it.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

I like him.

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He's solid.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

He's solid. But again, I'm talking about impact, impact, impact.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I don't want him.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

BB this, this what I would do. I, I, I would. The focal point of what we need to do in the offseason, we need to address the offensive line. We need one impact player. We need one good, solid. I can rely on you. Similar to like Lane Johnson or something like a Trent Williams. Now, I'm not saying there, there. There are other replicas of those type of players, but we need just that. Then need a D tackle. Hey, Jeffrey Simmons. We need Jefferson.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Jefferson, you can catch a touchdown today.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah, I'm. I'm looking at him. But listen, I'm telling you what we need to. What we need to do to revive and get us back where we need to get to, you know, and being able to compete in this goddamn division.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Huh?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

We need Jeffrey Simmons to come on out here. We need a Kona. What do you think about Trayvon Dan coming here? Fresh start, new scenery. He's back healthy.

[Host/Analyst 1]

You okay? He'll feast. The famine guy, he gonna get you, but they gonna get him. Yeah. As long as you understand. See? Oo. As long as you understand what you're getting, right?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah. What you think? It ain't. It ain't too much out there for. We not gonna fight.

[Host/Analyst 1]

It ain't.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Listen, we not gonna find nothing in the draft right now.

[Host/Analyst 1]

You're not getting no tan. You're not getting no Stingley juniors. You're not getting those. I. I don't know. I don't know what's in the draft. Caleb Downs, he's a safety. He's not a corner. He's an Outstanding safety. He has great range, great tackling ability, but he's not a corner.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yes, very.

[Host/Analyst 1]

There ain't been a whole lot of safeties that can change your life. There ain't a whole lot of Ed Reeds. They're not a whole lot of Troy Palomalu's. They're not a whole lot of Ronnie lots.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

That's.

[Host/Analyst 1]

For me, the greatest safety that I've ever watched, that I've ever taken off on tape is Ed Reed. He's by.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Oh, yeah.

[Host/Analyst 1]

See, I think Ed Reed is by himself. Now, some people say they like Ronnie Lott, but nobody turned. He turned turnovers into points because he was taking it to the house or he was setting his offense up for great field position. That's what separated for me.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah, for you. Ed Reed is up there as well in a tier one, in a class of his own. But I like Troy Palomalo, who's not too far from that. He's not too far from that. Obviously, he's a little different. He was still rangy. He was very disruptive and being able to obviously play, playing pass covers. But what he provided for you also in the box, in the trenches as well, and being able to disrupt plays, man lining up in the A gap, doing some of the things we see Miles Garrett and Michael Parsons do, it's tremendous. And when you have players like that, we talk about the greats. It allows you to do so much defensively. When you have all these exotic coverages, they. That confused you because they would always be in places that aren't traditional. You can't study for that. You can't study for some of the things that they were able to do and they brought to the game.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I mean, Ocho, you realize LaMar Jackson completed eight passes.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

That's who you telling. It was 10 degrees out there.

[Host/Analyst 1]

They only had 24 rush attempts. Derrick Henry had 11 carries for a hundy. Keaton Mitchell had eight carries for 66. They had 24 rush attempts for. 189 yards. They averaged a damn near eight yards a carry.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

You know what?

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

That.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

That's not necessary. That's not necessary. And one thing my grandma always say, when a man is down, you don't kick him. So you running.

[Host/Analyst 1]

You.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

You rattling off all these stats and we already lost the game.

[Host/Analyst 1]

We.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

We ain't scored.

[Host/Analyst 1]

But I've been telling you this. I tried to tell you this. See you. But what, you want to come out here and gloat on Thanksgiving? Ocho. Ocho said it. Ocho say they were going to beat the Ravens. Ocho say they going to the playoffs. Okay, Ocho said, right.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Well, listen.

[Mandy Woodruff Santos]

Hey, even.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Even. Even a goddamn clock is wrong twice a day. I. I could be wrong sometimes.

[Host/Analyst 1]

You could be wrong. You wrong at the start of the season, you as wrong at the middle of the season, and you wrong right now.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Well, technically, if you think about it, throughout the entirety of the season, I've only been wrong two times. I've only been wrong twice.

[Host/Analyst 1]

First of all, you've only been right twice that Joe Burrow was coming back and y' all was gonna beat the Ravens.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Well, he did come back and beat the Ravens. That was his first.

[Host/Analyst 1]

All the other times you've been wrong. I told you. Browning. Brother Browning. Hey, Chad. Y' all remember he say, brother Browning. Oh, brother Brown ain't gonna do this thing.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

I mean, I was fooled from last time he had starts. I was fooled. I was fooled. But listen, we got a clean house. I'm not sure what we need to do. I gave some suggestions. Yeah, I gave some suggestions on what I think we need to do or who we need to acquire veterans that we need to acquire that can come in that are experienced and we know what we get, you know, because the draft and the draft is not gonna do it. Nobody's coming in offensively or defensively and just changing everything, you know, draft.

[Host/Analyst 1]

And Ocho, remember, you said, oh, who y' all play next week? I said, we play the Packers. Oh, y' all losing that game. Who said? Hold on.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

I. I listen. I. I don't. I don't think I said it, because you would have to show me. I wouldn't bet against. I wouldn't bet against that defense.

[Host/Analyst 1]

You said, oh, the Packer gonna beat y'. All. You gonna be just like us.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

I wouldn't bet against y' all defense. I know. I ain't say that. I know what y'.

[Host/Analyst 1]

All.

[Mandy Woodruff Santos]

I know.

[Host/Analyst 1]

We'Re gonna find that clip. Hey, Five. Hey. Hey. Having to start looking for that clip where Ocho said Green Bay was gonna beat the Broncos. I promise. I promise.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

You ain't say that.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Did Butter go to the game? Did Butter enjoy himself?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Man, listen, man, Butter came, but Butter came to the game as a Raven. Fans, listen. The bangle, the Bengals fans, they. They open their arms. You know, we showed him some hospitality, you know. You know, it's his first game coming out here to Cincinnati. He loved the Ravens.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Huh?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

He loved some Ravens, so.

[Host/Analyst 1]

The Ravens.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

So, you know, I made sure to show Butter some love, you know, and I made sure he Was able to meet Lamar and whatever. And it was embarrassing, huh?

[Ryan Seacrest]

It was for me.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

It was embarrassing because I had company. I had company in the building, and we ain't score no points. So now I can't even talk no trash.

[Host/Analyst 1]

If I had no, I'd have sent him this hat. You think he the one of this hat?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah, I'm gonna let you talk to Butter, man. Hold on, hold on.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Hey, Butter. What else? Hey, he was sick. Hey, how you get. How you get thrown out of Chase suite?

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

Listen, listen. When they were talking so much trash, they would let me have.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

They were.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

They was talking so much trash. But as soon. As soon. As soon. Because I knew Joe was gonna give me something, I asked. Listen, I asked Joe to give me. Give me one, though. Give me one. And boy, he threw what? He threw that pick six. Boy, I couldn't contrain myself.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Hey, we're gonna take a look at. Let's look at the video right quick. Butter. Let's see. Hey, this Butter right here in the suite. Yes.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

Let's go. That's why I need it. Come on, come on. Go to the crib, to the crib, to the crib, to the crib. Why am I. Wait, why am I not cheering? Why we not cheering no more?

[Host/Analyst 1]

Why we not.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Chee. Hey, listen.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

I appreciate you, bro.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Appreciate.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

Appreciate you for having me.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I thought you were playing. They kick you out.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

I thought you were playing, bro.

[Mandy Woodruff Santos]

I thought.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

But listen, I thought. I thought they were playing too. I thought they were playing too. And the thing that made it worse, they had the best seat. Yeah, but you had some good old.

[Host/Analyst 1]

It was nice and warm up there. You had some good old food. You drank your couple of bruscus. You ain't eat no food.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

You ain't eating no food. Nah, they have what I like. I don't like that many things. Okay, you know what I'm saying? I'm more. More chicken tender, you know what I'm saying?

[Host/Analyst 1]

They have no chicken tenders. What the hell?

[Sophie Cunningham]

The hell?

[Host/Analyst 1]

And I don't know. I ain't gonna lie.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

I was a little. A little afraid to go back there because it was like 40 of them in there.

[Host/Analyst 1]

So.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

Hey, I ain't want to glow and.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Eat they food, so that's the best part about it. You glow. They ain't eating that ish.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

I know, but we are. See, we. We already came.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

You know what I'm saying?

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

We already came in their crib, put our feet up on their car.

[Host/Analyst 1]

That's what you're supposed to do. And you ain't. Hey, you had mud on your shoes too.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

I'm just telling you all that. And I couldn't. I couldn't wait for it. I was hoping it was gonna be a glass table so they can see it.

[Host/Analyst 1]

That's what we do. Look at that.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

That's what I'm saying. And Ocho, I'm saying he. He was talking so much trash. I tried to tell him. I tried to tell him the script, but he ain't want to listen to me. I want to listen to. But I ain't gonna lie to you. I lied for him before I left. Yeah, I know that.

[Host/Analyst 1]

He listening now.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

I know that. I know that.

[Host/Analyst 1]

So.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

And I told him that we get to play the Bengals. You know what I'm saying? This gonna be our confidence booster because we. We ain't stump nobody all week, all year.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Shut them out.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

We gonna get.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I mean, they had a great think about. But think about all that practice time they put in. Out there in the cold, playing the cold, and you don't score no points. You might. You. You came out better, not even practicing. I told.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

I. I tried to tell OO to tell him to stop the game. It ain't work. It ain't work. But see, what I was gonna try to do, I was gonna try to do, I was gonna try to get a little. A little scrimmage in with them since they season over, get some more confidence about them.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Hey, they might well sign you to the practice squad. Butter.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

That's what they. That's what I'm saying.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I was this.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

Listen, I was already on the field. I was this close to the line. I could, I could do that. All they had to do is just give me some shoulder pad. Butter, stay ready. I ain't gotta get ready. Cause I stay ready. You gotta look at my film. Listen, I'm telling you, you gotta look at my film. If something ain't on the floor, something wrong. When you look at my film, something gotta be on that ground, man.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Boy, it look like you. Boy, it sound like you had a great time.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

Listen, I had an amazing time. This is one of the best days of my life.

[Host/Analyst 1]

To see it, you. To see a game up close and to see it like you saw it, to be in the suite, to be down there on the field, to actually see the. You know, to actually see a play being run and, and the CD guy that you watch on television is an incredible feeling, bro.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

You.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

You probably do understand.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I understand a little bit.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

Yeah.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

It was amazing, dog. And for that to be my first, like, NFL game ever.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Oh, that's the first time you've ever been to a game?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

First time.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

The closest I came to that was like a Northern State football game.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Oh, man. So you. So your first game, you actually owned the field.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

That's what I'm saying. And now when I go to another one, I'm be like when I'm getting out.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Yeah, you can see that's the thing. See, because once you get, Once you get, you know, you get an opportunity, you go to a suite and you get to go all behind the scenes watching the game and stand is not the same. It's not you spoiled. Now.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

The thing is, though, I got a little. I got a little glimpse of it when they kicked me out. I had to go out there then, so. So it was still cool though. It was, it was.

[Host/Analyst 1]

It was amazing. I'm glad you enjoyed yourself, but I'm. I'm more ecstatic that we got that. These guys got the win.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

That's what I'm saying. And it's part of the script. I've been trying to preach the script the whole time. They had to get. They thought, they thought they was gonna come in. In the bank and win without no reason.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Yeah, exactly.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

They gotta be insane. Something gotta be wrong with them.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Hey, something gotta be. Maverick. The Ravens got next. Who they got next? Butter Patriots. Oh, they go to New England or New England come to come. Come to us. It's in Baltimore.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

Yeah, they got the Patriots in Baltimore.

[Host/Analyst 1]

The rest then y' all got, y' all got Patriots at home, at packers, at Steelers.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

But listen, listen, though. That, that's why we had to get this.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Yeah, that was a. Confident. That'll pick you up. What y' all did, what we did to him today, that helped that go a long way. Long way.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

It was beautiful to see, like, you know what I'm saying? My dog. See, I. I met Jamar Chase today. You know what I'm saying? It was beautiful to see him get double teamed and stuff like that. I actually enjoyed it. I was trying to. I was trying to tell the people in the vicinity, we see, we. We ain't got no. We ain't got no harm for. We like him a lot. We just wanted to tap his pockets a little bit, see what he got on him. That's all we. Us. That's all we want to do.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Yo, Hello. Hey, Chad, Check this out. The Bengals reportedly did not remove snow from the seats at Paycor Stadium despite NFL rules requiring snow and ice be cleared from all Seating areas before the game. The Bengals face an apparent violation of league policy. Man, you had snow and you're still in your seat.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

Oh, no, I wasn't.

[Host/Analyst 1]

No, I want, I want, I want.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

I went out there with him. I was in the street.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

Hey, I don't know nothing about that. That ain't, that ain't none of my business. Ain't none of my business. So, you know, but the game was. That was amazing.

[Host/Analyst 1]

That was amazing, man. Man, congratulations, man. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Glad you got an opportunity to see the good guys win today, man. Thanks for the support of Nightcap. I'm glad you got an opportunity to meet Ocho. Ocho laid it out for you. That's unbelievable, man. Thank you very much for supporting us, the Nightcap family. Thanks for telling all your friends and loved ones about us, and we appreciate that, man. Thank you very much. Thank you.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

I appreciate you.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Yes, sir. Ocho sick. One fan tweeted. Ocho wanted to take my girlfriend to the first NFL game for a birthday. Was super stoked to see the Bengals decided snow clearing would be left to the fans. Bonus points for not allowing cardboard to be brought into the stands. Instead, Instead, we got to stand on the snow and ice and freeze our be. OO y' all that cheap? Oo.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey, hey, it's. I, I, I don't, I don't know. I don't know the rules. I don't know protocol.

[Host/Analyst 1]

You see what they do in Buffalo. You see what they do at every other NFL stadium. Green Bay, Buffalo, Chicago. When snow, normally fans, they come and help remove it. But if they don't, the team must remove all snow ice from the seats.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey, see, I didn't know that you heard what you just said. In Green Bay, in Buffalo, wherever you sitting, I thought most of the fans, wherever they cease, are they just take the snow and, and, and, and, you know, put it, put it on the floor. I, I didn't know it was a team.

[Host/Analyst 1]

No, you supposed to remove that.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Oh, okay. See, I, I never knew that. I never, I never, I never knew it was up to the team to. To be able to remove the snow before the fans come in. I, I thought it's something that the.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Fans owing collectively as a welcome to the frozen jungle. We saw fans scraping ice off their seats with credit cards. The wind chill was around 3 minus 3 at kickoff. Now you see why Joe Burrow wants to get out of there. Now you see why Joe Burrow want to get out of there. Hold on.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Wait. He didn't. He didn't say that. Is that. Is that what you're trying to say? You putting words in Joe mouth? Joe, Let me tell you what Joe said. What Joe said is.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Is.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Is. He sent a message. He sent a message in. In riddle form that you and I understand there are changes that need to be made. That's. That's what he said.

[Mandy Woodruff Santos]

I.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey, I walked up to Joe. I walked up to Joe before the game and I. I walked up and I asked him, you know, I'm sure his pictures, his cameras out there. And I made sure to whisper. I say, everything good? He said, yeah, everything is good. And I whispered. I said, man, don't scare me like that again. He looked at me, he winked, and he smiled.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Everything ain't good.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Listen, I knew exactly what it was for us.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I give him two to three years. Joe Burrow be playing somewhere else.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah. Listen, in two to three years, the changes that he wants with that little message, he said last week or. Yeah, last week. Oh, no, that was this week with that little message, he said, I guarantee you no changes are gonna be made.

[Host/Analyst 1]

You know why those changes ain't gonna be made? Because that's a family run business like most NFL teams in family Brown. He ain't changing. He ain't changing.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

I think things gonna change for the better because I don't like this feeling. The players don't like, the fans don't like. The fans don't like this feeling. Huh? Listen, the culture. The culture in Cincinnati has changed. It's been different. It's been different. Now. This has been a down year for us.

[Host/Analyst 1]

What you mean, a down year? Y' all missed the playoff the last three years since y' all went to the super. Since y' all went. When last time y' all went back. Have y' all been. Haven't they missed the playoffs? The last. It was the last three of the last two years.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Last two, last two, last two. But it's cool. We gonna be straight. We're gonna be straight.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Barrel Burrow after the game. Jamar Chase says he's never been in a situation where he had to uplift Joe Burrow. He might have to start doing that. You never know what he might be going through. Fans were yelling at Joe behind the bench all second half. Chase finally stood up and yelled, hey, run your ass home. Yeah. Hey, you know, don't pretend like you know. You know what I'm saying? Okay?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

I was sitting up high. I was. I was. I was sitting up high. So I wasn't able to. I wasn't Able to hear that, what they was saying. I mean, yeah, you know, the fans frustrated, huh? The fans are frustrated. They want changes. Changes.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Need go ahead and trade in Minnesota. Y' all take JJ McCarthy. We'll give you three first round picks.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Come again?

[Host/Analyst 1]

Three first round picks. And JJ McCarthy.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Nah, nah, we good.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Joe.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Joe will be here.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Okay?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Joe will be here.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Hey.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey. Honestly, like, today was embarrassing. It was embarrassing. Not just as a former player, but as a fan of football in general and a team that I played for, a team that I've given my blood, sweat and tears for. To put on a performance like that today isn't bad. And I had company with me, too. I bought company with me. It was his first NFL game, his first NFL game. He had a chance to watch his favorite team meet his favorite player, you know, lamarvillous Jackson. And. And that's what we do. Zero points. We practice Wednesday, we practice Thursday, we practice Friday. We got walk through on Saturday. And we played the day and scored zero points.

[Host/Analyst 1]

That's exactly what y' all did. And it ain't no surprise.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

What is bad. That boy.

[Host/Analyst 1]

What you want? Oh, you know What? Then put this 80 too.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

That's bad.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Hey, you.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey, you. Hey. Hey. Let me tell you something.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Hey. Hey. It's.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

It's funny how you kick a man while he's down.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

I ain't say nothing.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I just got on. It was cold in here.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

I know, but I'm. I'm just saying. Just like you've been coming at me all. You been coming at me all day. The memes, you know, the graphic team. I don't know who, hey, I don't know who's a part of our graphic team, but, boy, they need a raise. Boy. Hey, they, hey, them some creative folk, but creative.

[Host/Analyst 1]

And.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah, and I. I shared. I could be honest with you because we family, you know, I don't. Like, I shared a tear today. I shared a tear today walking out the stadium and it was so cold, they froze. The tears froze on my face. They froze on my face because I promised.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I know. You was crying. Zero points. Do you know how bad you gotta be to score no points? See you practice. I mean, think about that. Just think about it.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

I'm saying, hey, before you keep going, think about my mental health. Think about what I'm going through right now.

[Host/Analyst 1]

You ain't going through. You ain't going through it far enough. Let me put you back in some stuff. Think about it. Chat. If you practice all week, let's say you got practice all week. You Saw you practice Wednesday, Thursday, half a day Friday. As you get to practice for about 15 minutes on Saturday and on Sunday, I'm gonna give you an hour to make a free throw.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah, you're right.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Y' all couldn't even get a field goal range.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

So what happened to sportsmanship?

[Host/Analyst 1]

We ain't in elementary school. We get paid.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

I'm just saying right now. I know, but you. You don't feel bad for me at all, so you.

[Host/Analyst 1]

You.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

You rather. You rather my mental health separate.

[Host/Analyst 1]

You know what? I'm uplift you after the show if I'm gonna call you to make sure you're okay. But in the meantime, I'm about to tear your ass up. Hey. Cause I already know. I already know. I already know. If the shoe was on the other.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

Foot, I wouldn't say.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

If the shoe was on the other foot, I wouldn't do this. I wouldn't do this to you because.

[Host/Analyst 1]

All you talk about case say foot or ball, but, yeah, it had a chance.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Listen, hey, hold on. Listen. I can't say foot or ball. I can't say touch or down because we ain't even get that. Hell, I can't even say feel or goal. We ain't get that either.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Yeah, I mean, they got graphics for my team. They just had to hold on for, like, three months. We ain't lost.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

We ain't lost.

[Host/Analyst 1]

We got 12 wins. Yeah, y'.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

All. Y' all good.

[Host/Analyst 1]

12.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Y' all good.

[Host/Analyst 1]

As a matter of fact, we clinched the playoff spot.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

You did. Hold on. Hey, you cleanse us. You. You. Hey, listen, all y' all gonna do is y' all gonna play one more week than we do. That's it.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Y', all. I don't even know why y' all playing. Ain't nothing to play for.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey, y'.

[Host/Analyst 1]

All.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Y' all gonna. Hey, listen, y' all gonna meet us in Cancun anyway. Oh, yo, we just gonna be there a week earlier.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I told. I told you the same thing I told the Cowboys. They say if you book international flight 90 days in advance, you get the best price. I told y' all to book y' all flights in October. The same thing I told the cowboys 90 days. So middle October, middle of November, middle of December, January, anywhere you want to go. Y' all want to go to Tulum, you want to go to Jamaica, OO Rios, the Seychelles, the Mafy coast, wherever.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey, I. I like it. You feeling good?

[Host/Analyst 1]

Huh?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

You. You feel. You feeling yourself? You feeling yourself? My team lost. It's cool. We down. Listen, it's It's.

[Host/Analyst 1]

It's like, you know, how pathetic. Think about it. You watch the Browns, they were pathetic. They scored three points. God dang.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Wasn't able to get in field goal.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Y' all weren't able to get a field. Hold on. You mean to tell me you got a top five quarterback and arguably the best receiver in football, and you couldn't get in field goal range?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

I mean, we had some plays that we would like back. We had some touchdowns that should have been touchdowns. We had some plays that were missed. Obviously, I can see sitting in the stands, but when you feel side as a quarterback, sometimes you miss it.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I don't know about no tickets. I don't know what you'd like to have back. I know the fans like to have their money back for that performance.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, I wouldn't blame them right now. I wouldn't blame them. I'm just. Honestly, there's nothing I can say. I can't. I can't defend any part of the organization.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Don't worry about what we do. And talk about Cowboy fans. Y' all gonna lose in the playoffs. Y' all losing in the regular season. Y' all ain't gonna even make the playoffs. So don't worry about what we do. Don't worry about it.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey, boy, you right. You right. You riding high on your Ravens and your Broncos. Congratulations.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Congratulations.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Why you mention my team?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

I'm just saying congratulations. I'm saying congratulations.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Congratulations.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

I'm not talking trash. Congratul. I know we got a lot of Ravens fans in the chat. I know we have a lot of brothers.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Now you talking about congratulations. Yeah, we good. We don't want that. We don't want nothing.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

I'm showing sports. I'm showing sportsmanship and humility. That's me. That's me. I. I could. I could admit when I'm defeated, I'm defeated.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I've been. Ocho. I've been preparing you this for two years. I did tell you prepared for the season. I said, ocho, y' all not making the playoffs.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Well, you. You only knew that because Joe got.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I told you you weren't going to make the playoffs. You told you. You told me, brother, and I told you. I said, I don't even know why Joe coming back. All he gonna do is make himself mad. He gonna win a game, and the next thing you know, y' all gonna lose out and he gonna be mad, frustrated that he came back, put himself in harm's way. For what I get it we at look, we just, we're not wired to sit on. If we're healthy, we gonna play. That's how we're wired. That's how he's wired.

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[Host/Analyst 1]

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[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

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[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

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[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey, it's Ryan.

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[Host/Analyst 1]

Looks. The Chiefs released an update on Mahomes this evening, saying the injury update on QB Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes successfully underwent surgery in Dallas this evening with Dr. Dan Cooper to repair tears to his left ACL. But he also had LCL, right? Okay. Mahomes will begin rehab process immediately. The name surgeon sets off rumors throughout the social media. Dr. David Choi. I guess a child. Child. Excuse me. Patrick Holmes underwent surgery tonight to repair acl. The timing and the surgeon who performed the surgery essentially confirms he also tore his lcl, which makes recovery time more difficult because if I'm not mistaken, Ocho, he's the guy that repaired Teddy Bridgewater.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Okay.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Teddy Bridgewater.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

In Minnesota. In Minnesota, Yes. Yes.

[Host/Analyst 1]

And so this was later confirmed. According to Ian Rappaport, Mahomes also tore his LCL in his left knee. Typical recovery for such an injury is about nine months, meaning Mahomes will miss teams offseason program and his availability to start the next season is in question. The 2026 NFL season opener is September 10th.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Now, now this is the thing they, they say how much time it takes for, for people to heal from certain injuries. You know, everybody's body's different, everybody heals differently. Everybody. Depending on how much rehab you do, sometimes people come back faster than others. I think Norm Mahomes, he's one that won't come back until he's maybe close to 100%. You know, I think Mahomes at 95% is better than half the goddamn league out of goddamn hundred. So I, I think I say, I hear them saying nine months. But knowing him, knowing technology as, as advanced as rehab methods are in the, in the resources that he has at his disposal, I see him coming back much, much faster than, damn, nine months.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Well, you got to be careful, Ocho, because you know, he's a right handed quarterback and his left is his plant leg. Yes, it's got to be stable. Yes, it's got, he's got, you know, Tom Brady, Tom Brady tore his, and I think he tore his ACL and mcl. But that's the plan. That's the most important leg. Oh, you're a quarterback. Your right handed quarterback, your left is the most important.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey, just, hey, just thinking about that. Just, just a thought of it. Of, of me not being able to function and having, having my knee and, and it just tearing up now. They give it, give me the ick it, gimme it, gimme the ick. Just, just thinking about all the injuries. Unk and a lot of people complain, you know, Malik neighbors, they say, oh, the turf, the turf. But you look at some of the injuries also that's continuing to happen.

[Host/Analyst 1]

That was grass.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Michael Parsons, what they play on, huh?

[Host/Analyst 1]

They play grass. It's a combination, but mostly it's, it's. They have some synthetic sewn in, but that's mainly grass. I know, I played on it. Oh, yo. Michael Parsons, torn acl. Mahomes, torn acl. Nick Bosa, torn acl. Malik Neighbors, torn acl. Tyreek Hill, Tucker Craft, Zach Ers, Marshawn Latimore. On pace for the lowest year for ACL injuries in many years. It's just the names are so gargantuate. You're talking about Patrick Mahomes, you're talking about a pro Bowler in Michael Parson. You talk about a defensive player of the year and Nick Bos. We're talking about Malik neighbors who were sensational. Ertz, who's been a multiple time Pro bowl player. So there have been 30 ACLs torn so far this season in the NFL. Here's the numbers by season since 2013. Wow. In 2013, Ocho, there were 63. In 14, there was 45 and 15, there were 50 in 16, there were 49 in 17, 52, 18, 53, 34 and 19. 2019. There were 34 in 2020, there was 42 in 21, there were 57 in 22, 22. There's 51, 23, 43, 24, 38 and 25 with three games. Well, with the playoffs counting, so we'll see. There's a great chance that, that, that and hope, you know, but just playing the odds, you got three more regular season games and you got the playoffs in the Super Bowl. So there's a chance that this number could climb from the 30, which is the lowest since 26, 13 to an even higher number.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah, I, I think, I think it's, it's unfortunate. I don't think there's any way to prevent it. Some of these injuries, most of them are non contact injury and just them making, making sudden movements. Making sudden movements. I don't know, maybe the body's relaxed or maybe, maybe I, I, I don't, I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. And just it's, it sucks because these aren't just not, not, not that I'm saying that other players aren't important, but you're, you're, you're polarizing figures, your impact players, the ones that, that put busts in the seats are getting injured and it sucks, man. It sucks.

[Host/Analyst 1]

And this surgeon also. Did you remember Jalen Smith, the Notre Dame guy that many thought wasn't going to be able to play again? Went to the Cowboys, ended up playing. He ended up playing and making a Pro bowl for Notre Dame. He wasn't the same player that he was because he was about to be a top five pick. He had that kind of explosiveness and suddenness when he was at Notre Dame, the Fiesta bowl. He tore his knee. The Cowboys took a chance, let him, let him rehab and he turned out to be a very, very good player for him for, excuse me, for them, but I don't know. Oo normally you see a lot of ACL terrorists and normally women tear their ACLs a lot easier because they don't have the muscle mass in the quads and the bone density that a male has. So you see them tear, you see them tear ACLs a lot. Soccer, basketball, something, you know, softball, stuff like that. You see them tear. Women Normally tear the ACLs a lot easier than men for the simple fact they don't have the muscle mass to distribute that force, because that's a lot of force. You talk about a man who Running 230, 240, 50, 60 pounds, running stop, turn, jump, cut. And so you got to be able to have quad muscles, glute muscles and hamstring to be able to stabilize that. Yeah, but it's tough and because like you said, I think we think it's more, it's just the names are bigger.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah, yeah. I wish I understood and was more knowledgeable about, you know, these injuries, why it's happening. I don't understand it.

[Host/Analyst 1]

That ain't no rhyme or reason.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

It's hard, it's hard for me to grasp.

[Host/Analyst 1]

And the non contact.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah, yeah, yes. It's hard for me to grasp and quite understand it, but the fact that my injury history, I mean, there really is none. And watching some of these players go down, I'm not sure if the bodies relax at the wrong time. You're leaning a certain way or you step in a certain way. I, I, I, I, I don't, I don't, I don't get it.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I, I, I mean, look, we, I, I've stepped and hyperextended, extended my knee. But my thing, Greeks, like you already had like your knees, you already had a little elasticity right in your knees, so. And maybe that was a blessing and a. January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August. You're gonna have to. Now you understand why he had the surgery immediately? Yeah, because the clock's ticking.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Host/Analyst 1]

And he go, hey, guess what, Ocho? Yeah, they're gonna have, they're gonna, he gonna be bending that damn knee tomorrow. He had surgery today. They gonna have him bend it. We trying to get that knee to 120.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Host/Analyst 1]

And he's gonna be, he gonna be a working out twice a day. See, the thing is that you can't look at that as it like, I think a lot of times in the chat, you look at it, you hurt your knee, you gonna go to rehab twice a week. He go to rehab every day. And a lot of times he's going twice a day.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Host/Analyst 1]

With the best pts and physios that money can buy. So that's why the time gets sped up, is that you look at you dealing with guys that are going to physical therapy PT five days a week, sometimes twice a day. They got machines at home. Because when I broke my collarbone, Ocho, I got me A machine. I got me a game ready, right. I just located my elbow. Hey, I had all the machines. I bought me an ice machine for home mocho. That'll make 300 pounds of ice a day. Yeah, I had everything they have. I had dip. I had. I had. I bought a cow trough. I couldn't afford to. Damn dip tape. Damn that. Yeah, I went. Bought me. I went to a. I went me to a livestock store o. And bought me a. A cow trough.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

Really?

[Host/Analyst 1]

Hell yeah. And dump that ice in there, put me some water there and get my ass up in there. But I had a game. I still got the game ready machine. Put it for my elbow, for my ankles, for my knees. Had one the strap to go over my shoulder. Absolutely. Cuz I was trying to speed the process up. So instead of like, well, I ain't got no ice. I got to wait till in the morning. Nah, every two and a half hours. Yeah, I was icing again, Ocho.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah.

[Host/Analyst 1]

As soon as I felt it got warm enough that I could put it back on because I don't want to get frostbite.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Right.

[Host/Analyst 1]

But you know, keep putting ice on there and make us. Make exacerbate the situation.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Right.

[Host/Analyst 1]

But that's what I did. Yeah, a lot. And a lot of guys do that. I got a steel machine, Ocho. I got me a laser machine. Oh, yeah.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

God damn. You had a goddamn hospital right at the house.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I did, I did, I did, Ocho. Hey, I like Greek. What I need, I got me. I ain't get the high end like they got. Hell no.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Right, right.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Once I was healthy, what the hell I was gonna do with it?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah, right.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I kept the game ready, but I let somebody borrow my damn steel machine and they never gave me my name.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Never. I knew he was gonna say that. I knew you were gonna say that. Hey, that's one thing about it. When you loan something out, you better write it down.

[Host/Analyst 1]

And, and. And my laser.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

The red laser.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Yeah, yeah, I know who got it, but I ain't gonna say nothing.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey, you don't need. You don't need it no more.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I do. I still want it. I paid for it. He ain't pay me for it. When I see him, I might slap five from him.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hell.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

I don't.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Man, I don't listen to the chat. Y' all don't know what the hell y' all talking about.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

What?

[Host/Analyst 1]

They said women are 2.8 times more likely to turn AC2 date. Yeah, two to eight times. So they're almost. So for what I'M first of all, Ocho.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah.

[Host/Analyst 1]

And I get it. And I chat. I do, I do understand, because there's a lot of. With AI, there's a lot of misinformation going on.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Right.

[Host/Analyst 1]

But I have a lot of friends that are in this profession that I can just pick up the phone and call. I, Dr. Bamfi and Dr. Tyberry and Neil Ellatroche and. And the Steadman Hawkins Clinic women are more likely to tear their acl.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Yes.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Than a man. That's not conjecture, that's not speculation. That's not innuendo. That's fact. Now, I know y' all want to trap me. Y' all don't know what he talking about.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Listen, if you say it, when you say it and you say it's factual, I think for those that are in the chat that don't know and just want to go argue the fact, I mean, there's statistics to, To. To prove those facts that you're talking about.

[Host/Analyst 1]

They get mad, Ocho, because they think, man, Unc think he knows everything. You remember we was having a conversation about T.J. watt?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Without knowing anything. What did I tell you, Ocho?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

He said. He said they punctured his lungs and it's exactly what happened.

[Host/Analyst 1]

How you know? I say, because 31 year old don't have discomfort, lung discomfort, unless you have a contusion in the game. And if you have a contusion in the game, it's not delayed. Yeah. I have seen guys fall and collapse their lung, right. Because a puncture, Right. They fell on the football or they got hit, but it's normally that night or early that morning. It's not three, four days later. So when they tell me that he had a collapse, that he collapsed lung, they punctured that lung.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah. You know, I didn't know.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I didn't. I thought maybe he got an injection or something, but it would come from dry kneeling. You see, Ojo, when you talk about me, I've had all those things go on. That's what really scared me. Because when I tore my rib cartilage, they would inject me. And I remember thinking like, damn, dodged it again. I still breathe fine. Cause they ask you, how you breathing? I'm fine. I said, man, I done tempted. I done did this three. I said, I'm done with this.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Right.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I'm done with this. But I'm telling you things. I was a professional athlete, guys. Damn. Whether I was good or not, I done been a pincushion.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Ribs, shoulders, ass, ankles.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

I had it all shot up.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah. Hey, I'm confused on something now. When it comes to dry kneading, right.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Do.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Do they insert the needle that far where it can. It can.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Hell, yeah. Because here's the thing, Ocho, you gotta get it. You gotta get it in there. Because the thing is, it's like when I got my shoulders, they tried to, okay, give me the exact. What a point is. But they gotta move it around because they gotta get as much medicine in that point. But you gotta realize this is bone. That needle is touching bone.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Ah.

[Host/Analyst 1]

You think about what's here, Ocho. You gotta realize that's what the ribs are for, is to protect vital organs. It ain't a big. It ain't a big leap. It's not. And I'm telling you, I'm trying to tell them that. Well, you think you know everything. No, I don't know everything. I know a little bit about everything. But I know when you shooting, when you. When you start putting needles in your side.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah.

[Host/Analyst 1]

And the lungs are right there. You're at. It's not always, but sometimes things can happen. They explained it to me, Ocho, so eloquently. They say, well, Shannon, you know, we keep doing this. There's a pro. There's a chance that you might have problems later on in life. I ain't promised to live later on in life. Give me that damn shot. You talk about what might happen later on in life. I'm talking about right now. I worry about later on in life. In life.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey, you trying to get on that goddamn field, huh?

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

Was I.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Why you think I shot up? I shot my ankles up in 93. In 93, the last 11 games in the postseason, I shot my ankle up. In 94, I shot my ankle up. I shot the left one up every single. Every single Sunday before the game. And then I ended up shooting. The last eight games. I shot up both of them. God damn. In Baltimore. I got my knees drained my last year in Baltimore, Ocho, probably about last seven weeks. Yeah, I was getting both knees drained. I was getting 30, 40cc's pulled off.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

My knees before every game.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Before the game. Yeah.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Boy.

[Host/Analyst 1]

But. But my thing was, Ocho, and I remember having a conversation with Ozzy. I said, ozzy, as long as I can go out there and play, and it can be somewhat. Yes. Like S H R P E on the back of the jersey. Yes. Yeah, I say, but what I can't. I'm not going to use that as an excuse as I'm hurt. And that's why I'm not playing. Well, if I, if I can't be somewhat resemblance of myself.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yes.

[Host/Analyst 1]

I got to sit it down. I got to trust that you got people behind me that can go get the job done.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Done. Right.

[Host/Analyst 1]

And so that, that's, that's all I'm saying. Look, I get it and, and I have a whole lot of use useless information a lot of times. Right. But I have a lot of useful information also. And when I'm talking about things I've been in locker room. When you've been around locker room. Don't you know how it is? It's a little different now. You know, guys, they play more video games and they probably joke a little bit more than what we did. We had fun. We joke. But some of the stuff that they joke about now, that was never gonna fly in the locker room. Yeah, not a locker room. I was in. Maybe deals now but, but. And you go look at the studies and see why women suffer more ACL tears than men. And then get back to me. The Seattle Seahawks ruined the return of 44 year old Philip Rivers. Jason Myers kicked The franchise record six field goals, including one of 56 yards with 29 seconds left at. The Seahawks outlasted 44 year old quarterback Philip Rivers and the Colts 1816 without scoring a touchdown. Myers converted 24 of his last field goal attempts with his only miss, a 61 yard try on November 16th. And he leaves the NFL with a career best 154 points. He also converted from 47, 52, 46, 32 and 30. The Seahawks needed every one of those points. Rivers, who hadn't thrown a pass in the NFL in over five years. Seattle extended its winning streak to four games. Indy Trail for just one little under two minutes went ahead 133 on River's first touchdown pass since the Colts 2724 lost to Buffalo in the playoffs on January 9th of 2024. Ooh, you know they talk about that.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Yeah.

[Host/Analyst 1]

You know what else recalibrates?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Huh?

[Host/Analyst 1]

Medical insurance. He get five more years. You know, when you got 11 kids. So by this time another four or five won't be off the payroll. Ocho be up. I'm just saying.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah, you right.

[Host/Analyst 1]

No, but, but no, seriously, look, I, I thought he played. I thought Philip Rivers didn't play bad considering Ocho, the man ain't really had no serious. He was 18 or 27. 120. Nothing. Nothing. You know, they were trying to push the ball down the field. Ocho, you know, they couldn't hold up against that. But Jonathan Taylor ran the ball for 8, 25 times for 87 yards. Amir Doula had 4 for 15. Seattle was in the red zone all day, but they couldn't punch the ball in the end zone. Give the indie defense credit for that. Jackson, Smith and Jigba, seven catches, a buck 13. He should be up. What is he, what is he, like 1500 right now? I think there's an outside chance he, that, that, that, that performance that he had. I forget what he had was a couple of weeks ago where he had like three cat. It might have been Minnesota where yo, you know, he had like 25 yards and that kind of set him back. But there's a. It's still outside a chance that he get to 1800.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah, he got, he got, he got to go crazy. He got to go. They got to continue to keep.

[Host/Analyst 1]

He got 1541, Ocho, so he needs 259 in three games, which is about 80 yards a game. He averaging that right now.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Definitely. He could definitely get.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Oh, as a matter of fact, he averaging over 100 yards a game, so he got 1531. They played 14 games. So, yeah.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah, he definitely got a chance to get that because they, they put him in position to be able to get him the ball. They have played specifically designed just to get him.

[Host/Analyst 1]

He's so smooth with it. Oh, man. Yeah, that joke was smooth, man.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Nice.

[Host/Analyst 1]

He should be a unanimous first team all pro, you know that. He should be a first team or unanimous all Pro, obviously. Miles Garrett should be a first team all. Probably. Yes. I'm trying to think. Who else? Oh, McBride, the tight end from Arizona.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Oh, man, he nice.

[Host/Analyst 1]

He cooking. How many catches? The McBride guy from Arizona, he cooking. He had two more today. Ocho.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

McBride is the real deal.

[Host/Analyst 1]

He got 105 catches. Ocho. He got 105 catches. Right now he leading the league. Have we ever had a tight end lead the league in catches? I don't think so, Ocho. I don't think Zach ers led the league when he had it. I don't think Whitten when he had. I think Ertz got the record. He gonna get that record.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Oh, that's crazy. I'm, I'm still, I'm still catching the touchdowns.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Did he. Wow. Gronk did how many Grog have? Okay.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah, I, I still can't believe Philip Rivers at 44 was able to come out there and he looked.

[Host/Analyst 1]

You can play a position that doesn't require athleticism. You not playing that at corner, you're not playing at a Receiver, you're not playing that in safety. You're not playing that at running back. You're not playing at a tight end. Only quarterback second with one or two. How many Chase got? Chase gotta be close 101. So it's gonna come down to the end. Yeah. Devonte Adams did not return to Sunday's game after playoff clinching 4134 win over the Lions after suffering a non contact hamstring injury and his status for Thursday night showdown against the Seahawks is in doubt. McVeigh said Adams was optimistic about the injury. So we'll, we'll see what that means. I can't imagine that's good for Thursday with just short amount of time, but certainly wouldn't rule him out quite yet. But it didn't look good.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Oh, no.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Puka Nakua also briefly left the game. Ocho what was later announced as cramps. Puka Nakua went crazy. Nine catches, a buck 89. Kobe parking, five for 75, two touches. Devonte, four for 71. And they ran the ball 29 times for a buck 59. Kyra Williams 15 carries, 78 yards, two tubs. Blake Corum 11 carries, 71 yards, one tub. Matthew Stafford was sensational. 24 of 38. 368, two touchdowns, one INT. Matthew Stafford, he, He. He creeping up that lead. He creeping up there. How many touchdowns do you have? Not passing?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

It should be 37, 38.

[Host/Analyst 1]

38, 37.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

I think I'm right.

[Sophie Cunningham]

30.

[Host/Analyst 1]

How many picks? Six. Ooh, 37 and five. So he gonna be. He gonna be over 4, 000 yards passing. He gonna win the MVP.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

They might as well give it to him now. Hell, ain't. Ain't nothing to wait for.

[Host/Analyst 1]

That was gonna be the mvp. Josh Allen lurking. Josh Allen got 30. Oh, you know that. Joe got 35 total touchdowns.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Now, how many have passes?

[Host/Analyst 1]

I understand we have like 25. He got like, he got like 10, 12, but that's just gonna be. That's the same way he wanted last year. He got 25, what, 10 Russian, 12 Russians.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Matthew Stafford. Yeah. Matthew Stafford is winning.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Oh, oh, I believe. Yeah. And deserving.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Yeah. And devonte Adams, he's gonna have to sit this game out.

[Host/Analyst 1]

He got 37 total touchdowns, 25 passing, 12 rushing. He's going to be like he. Like he was last year, you know, over 40 touchdowns. You know, there's a chance he gets to 30. There's a chance he gets to, you know, 6, 15, 16 rushing.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Right.

[Host/Analyst 1]

Jerry Goff was 25 of 41, 338 three touchdowns, no interceptions. Jameer Gibbs and David Montgomery will held the 20 rushes, 70 yards. Almond. Robert St. Brown had himself a day today. Thirteen catches above 64, two touchdowns, Jameson Williams seven for a buck 34, one touchdown. But it was not enough because the Rams offense got going, Ocho, and there was no slowing them down.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Hey. Well, they was dealing, but. Well, Stafford was dealing that goddamn puking. The cool is so nice, huh? Hey, Nicole is so nice. He can do just about everything. It don't matter. They put him in inside, they put him in motion, they put him outside. He made. He doing just about any and everything.

[Host/Analyst 1]

And he's a. He bigger than you think. You think. Cause he in the slot. Yeah, he, he, he, he bigger than you think.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

And listen, in one part, one man is rarely bringing him down.

[Host/Analyst 1]

The way he plays through contact. Ocho, I point the ball, run after the catch, can play through contact. You put him inside, you can put him outside, shallow cross. I mean, hey, you run outside routes, he can run inside routes. Overs, unders, jailbreak, smoke screen, bubble screen, jailbreak, whatever you want to call him, he could do it.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

Everything. Everything. You know Devonte Adams too. You know when you saw. When I saw him. Yeah, like that. Like he pulled up like a track runner does when they run in the hunt and they pull something. Oh, you.

[Host/Analyst 1]

You heard? You heard for real?

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

You heard him for real. So he's definitely not going to be playing in this game Saturday because that's too fast for whatever grade it may be. Grade three. Grade three is the worst. Right. I think that he might be between maybe a grade. Maybe grade two. I'm say one and a half. Grade one and a half. I'm definitely not three. Oh, yeah.

[Host/Analyst 1]

He done for the year. Grade three. Because that means there's a chance he pulled that off the bone. Yeah.

[Ocho (Analyst 2)]

So that's why I say maybe, maybe Grade great. One and a half. I don't even know if, if, if that's a thing, but it's Nowhere near a 3. But I know he won't be able to play in this game. If anything, I, for him, I would shut it down. I would shut it down and make sure I'm ready come playoff time. Make sure I'm ready to come playoff time. There's nothing else for him to prove. You know, this far going, going into the season, you've done you. You showed what you can do. We know what you can do. You're still the. Devonte Adams are old when the opportunities present themselves, you got nothing else. You ain't got nothing else to prove. Hey, did he sign it one year there?

[Host/Analyst 1]

I think he signed a two year okay hey boy.

[Butter (Guest/Fan)]

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[Sophie Cunningham]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Rob Gronkowski]

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[Host/Analyst 1]

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[Rob Gronkowski]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Host/Analyst 1]

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