BEST OF NFL Week 18 Part 2: Pete Carroll & Raheem Morris FIRED, Steelers SNEAK AWAY with AFC North Crown!

Summary

Club Shay Shay: BEST OF NFL Week 18 Part 2

Host: Shannon Sharpe (a.k.a. Unk)
Co-Host: Chad "Ocho" Johnson
Episode Date: January 7, 2026
Main Theme: Breaking down the conclusions of NFL Week 18, head coach and GM shakeups, a dramatic Steelers win, and the complex state of several franchises entering the postseason.

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Episode Overview

This episode spotlights the dramatic close of the NFL regular season, with Chad Johnson and Ocho dissecting high-stakes games, coaching changes (notably the firings of Pete Carroll and Raheem Morris), last-minute playoff clinches, and the state of organizations on the brink. The show maintains its trademark banter and storytelling style but dives deeply into the gritty realities facing several teams, including the Steelers, Ravens, Falcons, Browns, and Raiders.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Steelers Win AFC North on Missed Ravens FG

[02:20 - 14:50, 21:10 - 35:14]

• Game Recap:

  • Steelers clinch AFC North after Ravens rookie kicker Tyler Loop misses a 44-yard field goal; Steelers win 26–24.
  • Both teams played well; the Ravens jumped to a 10–0 lead but couldn't pull away.
  • Lamar Jackson's performance: Efficient (11/18, 238 yds, 3 TDs, 1 INT), but limited mobility.
  • Derrick Henry rushed well, but the Ravens' offense couldn't maintain drives.
  • Aaron Rodgers for the Steelers: “Clean game,” statistically strong, made key throws late.

• Critical Analysis:

  • The Ravens defense lacked a pass rush, allowing Rodgers to stay comfortable and deliver.
    • "If you don't put pressure on him, he's gonna pick you apart." — Chad Johnson, 05:27
  • Steelers’ dominance on third down set the tone.
    • “You let somebody pick up 55% on third downs, you gonna probably get your ass beat.” — Chad Johnson, 08:03
  • Ravens rookie kicker’s miss: Heavy blame, but pressure is unique.
    • “How many times in practice they kick for a chance to go to the playoffs? … Probably never.” — Ocho, 09:27
    • “The guy that they [Ravens] replaced … all he did was kick the Ravens to the AFC Championship … you see the importance of having a kick.” — Chad Johnson, 09:36

• Implications:

  • Loss might put John Harbaugh's job security in question.
  • Discussion on historic clutch kickers and importance in playoffs (Adam Vinatieri, Justin Tucker).

Ravens' Problems: Coaching and Roster Holes

[12:26 - 17:39, 21:10 - 22:08]

• Defensive Shortcomings:

  • No consistent pass rush, questionable secondary depth, reliance on young or subpar players.
  • Need for multiple new linemen and elite rushers; most of the team lacks clutch presence.
  • Harbaugh’s challenge: Loyalty vs. tough staff decisions.

• Offensive Challenges:

  • Lamar’s diminished mobility flagged (“looks like he got a piano on his back” — Chad Johnson, 21:47).
  • Solid running game but not enough plays/time of possession to wear down opponent.

Upcoming Playoff Matchup: Steelers vs. Texans

[29:03 - 33:14]

• Steelers’ Edge:

  • Aaron Rodgers’s experience; getting DK Metcalf back; distributed offensive workload.
  • Ocho’s playoff logic: “I’m not betting against two players, a coach and a player that have been in the postseason multiple times that are used to it.” — Ocho, 32:21

• Texans’ Approach:

  • Fearsome pass rush (Will Anderson, Danielle Hunter, etc.), but lack of a true run game could limit their ceiling.
  • Steelers will try to make them one-dimensional.

Falcons Fire Raheem Morris and Terry Fontenot

[39:03 - 44:23]

• Immediate Fallout:
  • Atlanta finishes 8–9, misses playoffs; quick hook for both the coach and GM.
  • Falcons' talent highlighted (Bijan Robinson, Kyle Pitts, Michael Penix Jr.) but patience in short supply.
    • “Arthur Blank, very short of patience. Only allowing Raheem three years…” — Ocho, 40:17
  • Speculation about Matt Ryan taking a senior/front office role, marking a trend of former players in executive positions.

Browns Fire Kevin Stefanski; Quarterback Woes

[45:55 - 59:32]

• Coaching Carousel:

  • Despite success, Stefanski is let go after six years, 45–56 record, multiple QBs cycled post-Baker Mayfield.
  • Franchise’s failed investment in Deshaun Watson scrutinized; coaching hires and leadership under question.
    • “Who hired Stefanski? Who brought all those players in? He did. So he brings all those players in, he stays and gets to hire another coach? OK.” — Chad Johnson, 59:37

• Broader Issues:

  • Discussion: Teams drafting QBs into bad situations rarely prosper.
  • Ownership accountability is questioned (owners can't be fired, only coaches/execs).

Raiders Fire Pete Carroll after One Season

[61:16 - 66:23]

• Instability:

  • Raiders conclude 3–14 season, bottom-tier offense and defense despite star Max Crosby.
  • Heavy financial burden: Paying large sums to departed coaches (Gruden, McDaniels, Antonio Pierce, Carroll).
  • Shannon suggests trading Crosby to accumulate draft assets for a true rebuild.
    • “You gotta trade Max Crosby. That’s the only thing of value that you have…” — Chad Johnson, 64:31

• Quarterback Woes:

  • Consensus: Raiders must stop seeking “secondhand” QBs and draft their own franchise QB—but without support, that’s a risky proposition.

Old-School NFL vs. Realities for Players

[67:09 - 81:33]

• Storytime with Unk & Ocho:
  • Rich, personal anecdotes about early career financial struggles, buying their first houses, and making sacrifices for the future.
  • The duality between public “success” and unseen personal hardship highlighted with humor and sincerity.
    • “The people aren’t going to understand because they’ve only ever seen the finished product. They never get the sacrifices that went along that journey…” — Ocho, 77:45

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Most NFL quarterbacks … if you don’t put pressure on him, he’s gonna pick you apart.”
  — Chad Johnson, 05:27

• “How many times you think John Harbaugh told him 'This is the kick to get us into the playoffs'?... Probably never.”
  — Ocho, 09:27

• “If you let somebody pick up 55% on third downs, you gonna probably get your ass beat.”
  — Chad Johnson, 08:03

• “I said, when you buy a house, what’s the first thing you go buy? What can’t you live without?”
  — Chad Johnson, 66:24
  — (Leads to a comic exchange about blown budgets and first apartments/houses.)

• “Owners can’t get fired, Joe.”
  — Ocho, 57:28

• “You gotta trade Max Crosby… that’s the only thing you have of value.”
  — Chad Johnson, 64:31

• “The people aren’t going to understand because they’ve only seen the finished product. … They never get the sacrifices that came along that journey.”
  — Ocho, 77:45

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Steelers-Ravens Game Breakdown: 02:20–14:50
• Kicker, Coaching Fallout: 08:27–14:50
• Ravens' Defensive Problems: 12:26–16:17
• Lamar Jackson's Mobility: 21:10–22:05
• Steelers Offense & D-line: 22:08–25:37
• AFC North Playoff Implications/Legacy: 28:23–33:14
• Falcons Fire Coach & GM: 39:03–44:23
• Front Office Trends: 43:03–44:23
• Browns Fire Stefanski/QB Woes: 45:55–59:32
• Raiders Fire Pete Carroll: 61:16–66:23
• NFL Player Struggles (Personal stories): 67:09–81:33
• Pete Carroll’s Short Leash/NFL patience: 81:36–84:00

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Tone & Language

The conversation is candid, blending humor, locker-room camaraderie, and hard truths about the NFL business. Ocho and Unk trade playful insults, share tales from their playing days, and don’t shy from calling out poor management or examining the unforgiving realities of football careers.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is a masterclass in blending entertaining sports talk with meaningful analysis on football culture, front office decisions, and why so many seemingly “obvious” rebuilds so often fail. Longtime fans and casual listeners alike come away with a deeper appreciation for the pressure-cooker environment facing NFL kickers, coaches, quarterbacks—and the families they provide for—when careers and fortunes hang in the balance of a single missed field goal or an owner’s loss of patience.

Transcript

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OO what a game. What a game. Tyler Luke misses a 44 yard field. Go wide right. And a brutal miss for from a rookie Aaron Rodgers. And the Steelers win the AFC north. And they get to host a game next Monday night. As a matter of fact, they get to take on this Houston Texans, which should be a barn burner of a ball game. The Houston Texas finished great down the stretch and they finished today. They won today. They beat the Indianapolis Colts. But tonight, Lamar Jackson came back after last week, taking last week off. He was 11 of 18. He only threw 18 passes, 238 yards, three touchdowns, one interception. He was sacked three times. Derrick Henry ran the ball extremely well tonight. 20 carries. Yeah. Above 26, they just. Steelers just dominated time of possession. Oo Aaron Rodgers was 31 of 47, 294, one touchdown, no interception. Clean game. They ran the ball 24 times for 100 yards. Oo when somebody goes back to, to, to throw the ball that many times and they're not as mobile as Aaron is and you only get him two times, that lets you know you need, you need, you need some, some, some rushers. Yeah. The Steelers play. Both teams play great. Ravens got off to a great start. 10 nothing. Oo watching this game. Tell me, tell me what you thought about this game. Tell me what you like, what you did like.

[Ocho]

Listen, this was a divisional game. This is the game that was very exciting because of the implications of it. Both teams having to win the game to go to the, to go to the playoffs. And Roger, hey, Aaron Rodgers played extremely well. What we thought, what we thought Lamar Jackson wouldn't do with the fact that he was back there, he was ready to play. We thought they would abandon the run and put the ball in Lamar Jackson's hands. But Derrick Henry ran the ball well. Derek Henry ran the ball well. In the plays that Lamar Jackson had to make, he made him Zay Flowers. Two big plays. Woozy obviously slipped on one, but outside.

[Chad Johnson]

Of that, Woozy wasn't in. That was number three. Yeah, that's, that's the last one. That's a Woozy on the double move. I thought it was.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Number three is Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho. You played db. Since when do they teach you to start with playing with both feet? When you're going backwards, you either t step which is one, or you, you back straight up and drive on one. Yeah. At no point in time.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, I've never seen a DB Coach say you playing with both feet. That's why you got any feet gave up. We're not from under Him. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, I obviously, listen, you can't play, you can't blame the ground on at that point, especially in the game you've been playing all game, all damn, damn near all game long at that point. So hey, listen, this was a great game. This was a big. Aaron Rodgers played well. Lamar Jackson played well. The Ravens offense played well. The one thing I will say is they were never able, they were never able to make Aaron Rodgers uncomfortable. He was never uncomfortable. Even though he's, he doesn't, he doesn't have the legs he used to have. There was no, there was no pass rush to get Aaron Rodgers off his spot. Some of those throws, Aaron Rodgers made the Friar move. Unk. My goodness.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, he just, if you let him just sit there and plan his feet. Ocho, most NFL quarterbacks, and you're talking about one of the great NFL quarterbacks, if you don't put pressure on him, he's gonna pick you apart. Oh yeah. There's nothing wrong with his arm. Not maybe he can't throw at 60 yards like he once could, but the pinpoint accuracy. Yes. And he, there's occasion where he missed more throws. You see him miss more throws than he normally would miss. But if you don't pressure him and get him off the spot like you said.

[Ocho]

Okay, yeah, yeah, he go, he go. He gonna dice you up, man. Look, and he, he, he did tonight.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho. The Ravens only have 48 plays. They scored 24 points on 48 plays. They had 12 first downs. Steelers had 24 first downs. The Steelers was nine of 16 on third down. The Ravens was four of 12. The, the, the Ravens averaged almost 11 yards per play. The Steelers were six penalties. Ravens were nine for 78. The one turnover. But that wasn't. That wasn't it? I mean that miss kick that might cause John Harbaugh's job. OO you think so? It might. You see, and we're going to talk about later. You see, Raheem got relieved of his duty and the general manager in Atlanta and think about how they finished. Atlanta was, I mean, Atlanta. Somebody's going to get the culture. Very good football team in Atlanta. Bijan Robinson, Kyle Pitts, Drake, London Mooney. You look at that. Pierce. They got what Jalen Johnson. They got Pierce. Yes. Leonard Floyd. They got Bates. They've got some, somebody's going to get the coach a very good football team. Now then I don't think they have a first round pick, but they got a good football team down there. But I'm looking at the Ravens I'm trying to put my hand on when they had them down 10, nothing and you had an opportunity to get some more separation, you didn't get it. And I don't know why you didn't get it. Because like I said, I thought, you know, 20 carries, I mean, you couldn't stay on the field on third down. It's hard because if you look at the Steelers, they were nine of 16. Think about Oo. You don't normally have 16 opportunities for third down.

[Ocho]

No.

[Chad Johnson]

16.

[Ocho]

That'S a lot.

[Chad Johnson]

And then you get. And then you pick up nine of them, cuz F6, eight of them is 50%, so you're probably around 55%. You let somebody pick up 55% on first down, third downs, you gonna probably get your ass beat. You probably lose more than what you did. But a miss field goal, I mean, I wasn't, I wasn't surprised that he missed it. That's a rookie kicker, O.J.

[Ocho]

I mean rookie kicker in that situation. And you have one job, you hear me? You have one job. I don't care about the. I don't care about the situation. Preseason regular season implications to be able to go to the playoffs. You have one job. There's. When you go to practice, they do one thing since training camp. They kick the ball. That's it.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me ask you a question. How many times in practice they kick for a chance to go to the playoffs?

[Ocho]

You block, you block the noise out. You, you block the noise out. It doesn't matter what you're going for. You.

[Chad Johnson]

How many times you think John harbor told him this is a kick to go and take us to the playoffs? Now we practice, we practice. Do we not practice? Two minutes. Do we practice? No huddle.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. We down three, we down seven. How many times you think John Harbaugh told him this is the kick to get us into the playoffs? How many times? How many times you think he'd been under that kind of pressure?

[Ocho]

Probably never. Probably, probably never. Probably, probably never. Hey, hey. That's a whole lot. Boy, that's a whole lot riding on the ground.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

That's a. Hey, listen to me.

[Chad Johnson]

That's a different kind of the guy. The guy that they, that he replaced in his rookie season. All he did is go kick the Ravens to the AFC championship game and.

[Ocho]

You see the importance of having a kick.

[Chad Johnson]

But you talk about there's a chance. He's arguably one of the two or three greatest kickers to ever especially clutch big game. How Many big game kicks have we seen him make a 66 yarder in Detroit to win the game, playoff games, all this, all these implications. We've seen him time and time again now, last year he struggled, obviously had some things going on, but you know, we saw him struggle, right. This situation here. But I, oh, and I'm looking at the game, I'm like, well, damn Ravens, man, look, y' all got the momentum, man, y' all need to get some separation. And I kept like, man, get a little separation, get a little separation. They never could get the separation they need. And next thing you know it's 10, 3 and then it's 1010 and then it's. I was like, damn. I said, boy, you playing with fire. Because we talk about it all the time. Ojo, when you have momentum, yeah, you better get some separation because they're going.

[Ocho]

To get it as much as you can. Yeah, listen, the pendulum always shifts in a football game. Hell, the pendulum always shifts in any sport, no matter what you play at some point. But like you say, you want to get as much of a lead as you can while you had the momentum. But it's difficult. That's why it looked the way it looked tonight. It's difficult. And it comes down to what it did tonight, where the game is decided on the kicker's leg. And most of the time you hope you have a clutch kicker, a good kicker who doesn't allow certain situations to bother him where you can still complete the task under those kind of conditions.

[Chad Johnson]

That's why Adam Bennet, Terri is going to the hall of Fame. You talk about clutch, how about making a game winning field goal in the snow? How about making a kick in the Super Bowl, Ocho, twice.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

With no time on the clock. Can you get more clutch than that? Can you get more pressure than that? That's why Adam Venateri is going to be in the Pro Football hall of Fame. Yeah, he played a number of years and longevity. But that's not why you won't find two better kickers under the gun under immense pressure than Adam Bennetary. Everybody remember that divisional game of the playoffs against the Raiders in the Snow, a driving 45, almost 50 yard kick. He nails it in overtime to win the Super Bowl.

[Ocho]

Super Bowl.

[Chad Johnson]

And then guess what? Ocho, two years later, come back against the Carolina Panthers and did it again. Again.

[Ocho]

He was clutch. Now you no doubt about it, Chad.

[Chad Johnson]

Y', all, maybe y' all help me. Where did the Ravens look? I understand. Yeah, the defense is bad and I know John Harbaugh. It's tough, Ocho, when you have a friend and you don't really want to fire somebody. But he probably didn't think he had anybody on the staff that could fill in and do any better than what Zach or was doing. That's why he left him in that role. With that being said, yeah, this defense isn't good. It's not. Let's be real, Chad. Y' all know it. It's not good. They got no pass rushers. The guys in coverage aren't good. Roquan is okay, but Roquan is not. Roquan from three, four years ago. He's not. Hold on.

[Ocho]

I. I got like. I. I know, I know you say the defense is bad, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho]

But when you look at the third level on the Ravens, are they really that bad? Are they really that bad if they got to cover people for 30 seconds? I mean, if you got to cover somebody for 30 seconds, hell, everybody else would look bad too if you were. If you weren't getting any pressure on the goddamn quarterback.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, well, now I called a question. If you know you can't get pressure, why would you put. Why would you put your corners in a one on one situation with like a bomb blitz then.

[Ocho]

If you can't stop the run, you ain't got no choice.

[Chad Johnson]

It wasn't like they were running the football, Ocho.

[Ocho]

It's.

[Chad Johnson]

The thing is, is that you realize like, okay, if I gotta rob Peter to pay Paul, I don't need to be. I don't need to be going out there getting luxury items. I need to pay the day to day. I need to pay the mortgage. I need to pay the light bill, need to pay the gas bill, the phone bill. I need to play necessities. So with that being said, I know I can't get home. Do I really want to sacrifice a back end that's not very good to begin with? Am I really trying to put them on an island? Because if I don't get there in. That's why you need a guy that can win one on one, Ocho. You need a guy that can win instantly. You see how Miles get. You said that Joe burrow late. No, he didn't. Look at the get off that Miles Garrett got. If he'd have been running track, he'd have all started because you can't go under point one. He went 0.023. Let that sink in. So when Joe was saying he was gone, he didn't get the tuck.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

The Ravens, Ocho, they need. They look, they need defensive linemen but I'm not so sure they can, they can use a couple of corners too, Ocho. They do.

[Ocho]

Nah, I, I don't. Listen, honestly, I like, I like Wiggins. We, they just, they just drafted him. He's, he's played decent. Of course he's gotten beat. Well, I think we all get beat.

[Chad Johnson]

Part of playing, part of it. I agree.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you, you are going to get beat but most of the time you want someone that can be clutch in certain moments and that can win majority of one on one battles. And if you're elite, follow the number one receiver we get.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean that's reserved for, that's reserved for Stingley. That's reserved for. Who else we got Ocho Gonzalez. That's reserved for those guys. AJ Terrell. It's resolved reserved for guys like that.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

Mitchell and, and, and, and, and uh, Mitchell Keanu. Yes, that's reserved for those guys. He don't need to follow anybody. He probably need to be on the third, the second or the third receiver while you're bull driving.

[Ocho]

That, that, that, that, that, that's not nice. Huh? I understand what you're saying, but young, young bull, young boy has potential. Young bull has potential. Outside of that, they need a premier. A premier. I do. They need a premier. Rusher. I don't care if you play on the left or you play on the right. We got to get you in the building.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I agree they need, they need a Russia, preferably two. But if you can get us a true number one rusher and a solid number two Russia that can, that can win. I mean they had Jadavian clowning. I mean look, he's a guy. If you let him get 20 snaps a game, he can generate pressure. If you let him get 20 snaps a game. Now he's not an every down player anymore, but he still can generate, he can still generate pressure if you minimize his snaps. Offensively, they gonna probably need to get some linemen. You're gonna probably need to get a guard. Two guards. They are, they just are. I mean I wish it was something I could. I mean I wish I could dress it up for you. But, but chat. Y' all know I'm not lying. I mean you would like to have more than 60. You'd like for Lamar. You'd like to have more than 45 plays. It's. I mean you score for. You scored 24 points with 45 plays. Lamar was 11 of 18. You ran the ball 27 times for a buck 37. That's what five yards. Look, five yards of carry. You can live with that? Yeah, you can live with five yards of carry.

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[Ocho]

Lamar was efficient when he had the ball. Even if they didn't have it a lot, he was efficient with the ball. And we talked about, you know, thinking, you know, what we should do. Hell, I never forget what you said. You thought their best option was to start Tyler Huntley. If Lamar wasn't healthy, man, the hell you say. Shit. Lamar did everything he could to make sure he won this game. And he did his. He did.

[Chad Johnson]

He did. I wish Lamar could have put more pressure on him with his legs. Ocho, he can't.

[Ocho]

He couldn't. You know. You know, let me tell you something. You know how I know he's not the same on that third down where he couldn't get out the way?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you saw that guy catching on the third down. Yeah, well, you saw it with the random quarterback draw. He was. I said, will Lamar Jackson look like he got a piano on his back?

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[Ocho]

He tipping? Matter of fact, no, he. He's tipping. He's not. He's not even extending himself. His gate. His gate is closed. He's not even opening up.

[Chad Johnson]

He's.

[Ocho]

He's moving, but he ain't moving, if that makes sense.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, he is. To the Steeler side, Aaron Rodgers, 31 of 40. 31 of 47. 294. They ran the ball 24 times. Basically a little, little over four yards of carry. Gainwell had a big catch. Calvin Austin with, with the, with the, the Slugo feeling had a big catch, bad of Scanlan had some big catches. Look, Frymuth had a big catch to sit him up, get him down. Get him down to like the five yard line. They played well, you know. You know, the Steeler was going to play well. Cam Hayward. I thought Cam Haywood had. Well, of A ball game. I thought the D lineman played really, really well. I thought there were some lanes that had the backside been able to get cut off, that Derrick Henry could have hit those and maybe popped it. Instead of getting 2, 3 yards, he probably could have got 10, 12 yards. But I credit the Steelers. They did a great job of disengaging and getting to the ball carrier. Give those guys credit for that. I thought the Steelers D line played extremely well. Yeah. And you like what how you say they play well? They gave up 120, 126 to Derrick Henry. But that could have easily been against green bay. That 120 was 180. That was. That was. That was the difference. Cam Hayward played extremely, extremely well. I love the way I look. He might not run fast, but from point A to point B, which is from end to end, he gets there. I was. I was very impressed. I mean, Harry is in the year. What's the year? Year? 14. This year 14. He was in that. He was in that 2012 draft, Ocho, with Cam and Von Miller and all those guys. Justin Houston, Richard Sherman, all those guys. That the greatest draft. That's the greatest draft. That is the greatest. The greatest. If you look at the players in that draft, you didn't. You know Julio was in that draft, right? A.J. green was in that draft, right? Pat Peterson was in that draft, right?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I got Cam Hayward, Cam Jordan, all them was in that draft, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Hey, the greatest draft is 2001. Huh?

[Chad Johnson]

What?

[Ocho]

The greatest draft is in 2001. I just wanna. I just want to throw that out there.

[Chad Johnson]

Y' all ain't even close. Y' all might not be better than 90 with me. Emmett say I arrested so Ted, rest his soul, Y' all might not be better than us.

[Ocho]

Listen, can you hear me? When Chad Javon Johnson was drafted into the NFL, that was the greatest draft.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho, you only one person. Who else was in your draft class?

[Ocho]

Michael Vick.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, who else?

[Ocho]

I can't remember the rest of the.

[Chad Johnson]

Cam Von Miller, Pat Peterson, A.J. green, Julio Jones, Tyron Smith, Cam Jordan, Cam Hayward, Richard Sherman, Justin Houston. Pull up that night, put out 2011 draft. It ain't even close. Ain't nobody close to that draft. When you go back and look at the players in that draft in that first round. O. Just the first round, Sherman was. I think Sherman what? Second, third, fourth? When you look at that draft, Ocho, that is the greatest.

[Ocho]

It was Sherman. You talking Richard Sherman.

[Chad Johnson]

Sherman was fifth round?

[Ocho]

Yes, he was fifth round.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, J.J. watt was in that draft.

[Ocho]

Okay, there's some nice boys now. Hey, everybody, you, name is nice, but Ocho and drafted in 2001. I was drafted in 2001. The greatest entertainer of all time was drafted in 2001. That's me. That's me.

[Chad Johnson]

But you only one player. You got to have 27 mothers.

[Ocho]

I know, I. I know. But it's one player that is more entertaining and fun than everybody.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Give the Steelers credit. They get an extra day. They. This is not an accident that they put the team that played the last game on Monday night to give them a rest. They didn't want to cheat them. Don't make them play on Saturday. Don't make. Hey, let them play Monday night. So this year, Ocho, we got a Monday night playoff game, something we've never had before.

[Ocho]

Hey, matter of fact, since we never had it before, why don't we make a. Why don't we make a. A presence? Let's make our presence felt. You want me to go to the game? Cause, hey, how come every time.

[Chad Johnson]

Every time I ask now, I got to be in Baltimore, then we got to, you know, we got to be in New York.

[Ocho]

Hey, how come. Hey, y' all don't be telling me nothing, man. Y' all don't be telling me nothing. I don't. I don't be knowing what's going on.

[Chad Johnson]

Why can't you find out sooner or later?

[Ocho]

But how you know? How you know before me?

[Chad Johnson]

How Know what?

[Ocho]

We going to New York.

[Chad Johnson]

You knew that. We on the red. Ben Affleck, Tiana Taylor.

[Ocho]

What we doing? What we doing with them?

[Chad Johnson]

What are you doing the red carpet, Ocho?

[Ocho]

Oh, we.

[Chad Johnson]

We.

[Ocho]

Oh, we finna walk the red carpet.

[Chad Johnson]

We working. No, we're not. Well, yeah, we gonna walk. Carpet, Ocho. Hold on.

[Ocho]

I get to wear a suit.

[Chad Johnson]

You can wear whatever you want to wear.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, one thing you know about it, when it's time to put on some thread and time to look good, boy, you know who come to the party. Let me tell you. Hey.

[Chad Johnson]

You need to communicate with Ocho.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, I'm gonna be sharp. What are we going to. Hey, we're going to the what? The Golden Globes.

[Chad Johnson]

We got Netflix premiere, the rip with Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Teyana Taylor, all those.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay. Hey, I know. I know you know me. Me and Ben Affleck go way back.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm sure you have some very interesting questions to ask them then.

[Ocho]

Hey, yeah, I got some good ones. But, hey, I'm hey, hey. I'm going to be so clean, boy. I'm going to be clean as the board of health. You hear me?

[Chad Johnson]

Ojo? For the first time since 2021 and for the first time since leaving the packers after 2022 season, Aaron Rodgers is back in the playoff. Aaron Rodgers in the post game interview. It's been a grinding year and the two years before that was tough as well. But he's back. He's back. He's back in the postseason. It's been a while since he's been in the postseason. This is what, look, it's a tough year on him. He's playing with a, I think a broken bone and a non throwing hand. It's been tough. It's really tough when you've been as great as he is and all of a sudden some of the things that you, you took for granted, that you could do with your eyes, you can't. You can't do.

[Ocho]

You can't do it no more.

[Chad Johnson]

You can't do it no more, Ocho.

[Ocho]

You can't do it no more.

[Chad Johnson]

But he played well tonight. When they needed every. When they needed a big throw, he came up with it. They needed a big run. You know, he scrambled for 20 yards. I thought Jalen Warren ran tough. The guys made plays. Now next week, they get DK back.

[Ocho]

They get DK back. Hey, and that's a good thing because look what they. Look what Aaron was able to do without him tonight. Listen, it was done by committee tonight. Everybody was a part of the offense. Frymouth Ballin, Calvin Austin getting throws, getting throws. Normally he wouldn't get before because now, now we ain't got no choice. We got the county because we don't have DK Metcalf. They got. They got my dog. They got my dog. Adam Thielen involved in the game. I wish they would. I wish they would use him a little bit more. Obviously. He's a veteran presence. He's good. He's a route runner. I don't care how long he's been playing. I don't care how old he is. If you brought him in, goddamn, use him outside of that. I mean, it's going to get interesting come Monday night in that playoff game.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho]

And anytime you, Anytime you have Aaron Rogers, someone who's used to being in the playoffs.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, used to being in the playoffs. But, you know, one thing the, the what? One thing the Texans can do, they can heat your ass up with more. Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, tell me twice you ain't.

[Ocho]

Got to tell me twice. Listen, Will Anderson, Daniel Hunter, they got F. Jr.

[Chad Johnson]

They got Mario Edwards, they got Rankins. Hey, they got shazier. They got two. Two. The DBs that they got. They can come. They can come. Now the problem that concerns me is that the Houston Texans don't have a run game. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard, Ocho, to win when you don't have no resemblance of a run. And you know, the Steelers, the Steelers like to make you one dimensional and just try to go hunt your quarterback. Right?

[Ocho]

Hey, and you know, when I think about it too, Nico, Nico didn't play no Stingley. Some of them boys, a lot, a lot of them rested today. Even without a run. They've been, they've been able to, to still run their offense. Yeah, they don't.

[Chad Johnson]

They don't.

[Ocho]

They don't need a. They don't need a, a Saquan type of back. They don't need a Devon H. Hand, a back that's going to go for 150, 180, you know, but still just someone that can keep the, Keep it going. Keep it going and keep our offense balance. Keep our offense balanced. We don't need you breaking a run for 80, 50 yards. That. That's never been the Texans. That's. That's really never been a Texas. If you think about it, obviously, the last time I think of an efficient running back doing extremely well in the run game was when Joe Mixon was helping.

[Chad Johnson]

Correct. I mean, it's been back before Joe Mix it with Arian Foster. I think they had.

[Ocho]

Why would they.

[Chad Johnson]

They had a guy named Pierce that ran really well. I don't know what happened to him. I don't know where he is now. Chad, baby, y' all can help us out. But they got the work cut out for them. They got. The Steelers got their work cut out for him. I think both teams have their work cut out for them. The rap. The. The one thing that we do know is that they can get after your quarterback. They can get after your quarterback.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they can. They. They can. I don't. I don't really think.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't.

[Ocho]

Listen, I don't have no horse in this race. I don't have a horse in this race. But if I'm betting on a team to win this game, even as great as that goddamn Texan defense is, I'm not betting against two players, a coach and a player that have been in the postseason multiple times that are used to it. I'm not. I'm not. That's me. And you know, I'm not a bet man. So I'm just saying based on who's been there the most. In those type of situations where they're not. They're not rattled, there is no pressure. They've been there so much, they just go out there as a quarterback, I'm gonna just go play ball. Well, I'm gonna just play ball. Okay. They got a great pass rush. How do we counter that? How do we counter them having a great pass rush? Hell, Misdirection.

[Chad Johnson]

Quick throws. The quick will Cincinnati do to try to get to keep Miles off?

[Ocho]

Bingo. And they did a young. They did it the entire game. They did it all four quarters.

[Chad Johnson]

Congratulations to the Pittsburgh Steelers. They win the AFC north and get a matchup with the number five seed, the Houston Texans. On Monday night, they beat the Baltimore Ravens by the score of 26 to 24. The Ravens rookie miss a Tyler loop, misses a 44 yard field goal and the Ravens go home. What started? Look, all the games that they lost early. Oh, they probably kicked themselves. They lost to the. The Buffalo had a game in hand. They lose to Buffalo, they lost some games that they probably should have won. They probably shouldn' even been in this situation. But you are. You are what your record says you are. All this where they should have been this or they should have been that. What does their record say? Their records say they're under.500 team. That's what they are. An under 500 team. So, Steelers, congratulations. You win the AFC North 26, 24 over the Baltimore Ravens. DK gives a chance with 14 seconds at a timeout. John harbor went to the rookie kick. Ocho. Wow, you got a time out of hand. You don't want to try to get no more yards?

[Ocho]

Nah, I don't think so. Not in that situation. Because you know why they didn't. Why but one, he didn't because he trusted kickoff.

[Chad Johnson]

A rookie in that situation.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. He's not even looking at it like that. You can't look at it like that. Okay. If he. Nah. Yeah. I trust my kicker. I want to. I want to end this now. I want to end this now and win this game. I'm putting our season on my rookie kicker's leg. He's a rookie. There's a reason we got him. If we didn't trust, we wouldn't have him.

[Chad Johnson]

Wow.

[Ocho]

Only, only, only two things can happen. Either you go make it or you gonna miss.

[Chad Johnson]

But here's the thing though, Ocho. It's unfortunate that when he busy. Ain't got no time on the clock. So it's over. I season over and it might have cost me my job.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, listen, I'm with you. When you're right.

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[Ocho]

I'm ready.

[Chad Johnson]

Panthers squeeze into the playoffs thank Wait. The who Panthers?

[Ocho]

The who?

[Chad Johnson]

The Carolina Panthers squeeze into the playoffs thanks to the help from the Atlanta Falcons, who beat the New Orleans Saints by the score of 19 to 17. A Falcons win was enough to send the Panthers to the postseason and send Tampa Bay home. Carolina Panthers haven't made an NFL playoff since 2017 and they haven't hosted a playoff game in nearly a decade. This also marks the ownership David Tepper's first trip to the postseason since he purchased the team in July of 2018. Hours after the game, Ocho Falcons fired head coach raheem Morris and GM Terry Fontenot. After two straight disappointing seasons, the Atlanta Falcons wrapped up an 89 campaign. Fontano has been the Falcons general manager since 2021. Morris was hired in 2024. I thought Terry father thought did a good job. You look at who he drafted.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Kyle Pitts, Bijan Robinson, Michael Pennix Jr. Pierce Johnson. They got some talent, Ocho. They got some talent.

[Ocho]

And listen, they got some talent. It's unfortunate that they won't be there to see that talent continue to flourish over there over there in Atlanta. Obviously, Arthur Blank very short of patience. Only allowing Raheem three years. Font no, allowing him three years and he sees fit. They're going in other directions for his team. Listen.

[Chad Johnson]

We'Ve been there five since 2021. Raheem been there for three since 2024. He'd been to two years.

[Ocho]

Damn. They oh, they let him go. He let him go already.

[Chad Johnson]

I wouldn't be surprised. We're gonna talk about. We're gonna talk about this matchup. A Little later. I would not be surprised if they let Aaron Ganglo go Ocho. Remember at the 1. Did they let Gerard. Did they let Gerard Mayo go after one? Did they let Steve Wilkes go after one? When you feel you got talent.

[Ocho]

Hey, hold on. Hey, it show.

[Chad Johnson]

It.

[Ocho]

It. Show is a short leash, huh? If show was short. You know what? You know what? I'm not. You know What?

[Chad Johnson]

Jalen Walker, first round pick. He was the first round pick. Jalen Walker. Okay. Yeah. And Pierce Jr. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

[Ocho]

Hey, you see how. You see how God continue to open doors and. And you acting like you're blind to it, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

What do you have open doors for? As a matter of fact, my house in Atlanta. I ain't trying to go back to. Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Ocho]

Listen, I'm close with Arthur Blank. Now, I could put your name in the hat if you wanted.

[Chad Johnson]

I got his number. I can call it myself.

[Ocho]

Okay, well, you might want to show the text.

[Chad Johnson]

If I do, I want to say, hey, ask him how he's doing. Make sure you know he's doing okay. That's it. That's all I want.

[Ocho]

No, you don't.

[Chad Johnson]

Kirk Cousins, 18 or 32. One touchdown, one interception. Bijan Robinson, 15 for 33. They had 25 carries, 49 yards. Tyler Shook was 23 or 35. 259, one touchdown, one interception. They ran the ball 26 times for 108 yards. Juwan Johnson, 3 for 61. Dante Pettis, 5 for 60. Adrian Estimate, 5 for 43.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, that. That.

[Chad Johnson]

That.

[Ocho]

That interception, that killed that, that killed the Saints. That intercession killed the Saints. The timing of when it actually happened, it killed all momentum and their chances to actually win this game once the Falcons got the ball back. In that, in that situation, I mean, they, I mean, the Saints didn't play bad, huh? They was able to hold Bijan only 33 yards. Drake. Drake London only has 78 outside of. That was a good game. It's a. It was a very good divisional. Divisional game where the team that made the fewest mistakes was going to win the game. And that's exactly what happened.

[Chad Johnson]

I think Jay Glazier is. Was. Is reporting that Matt Ryan is in line to be a, you know, a senior something at. At the Falcon. Didn't he report that?

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[Ocho]

Hey, that. Hey, that's nice. Can you imagine, let's say, let's say.

[Chad Johnson]

High profile front office role. Well, the. The only road is high profile is general manager vgm, right? He ain't about to be the only.

[Ocho]

Not gonna be the bp.

[Chad Johnson]

So those are the only two high profile roles. You get to be BP or you get to be the gm.

[Ocho]

So there's a good chance Matt Ryan could be the new gm.

[Chad Johnson]

There's a good chance.

[Ocho]

And, and being able to oversee and building that team into what, what it is they may need, you know, for the, that's dope. For the future. That's dope. Does that, does that happen often or, or, or more players should be afforded the opportunity to be in those positions.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, you see, look, look. Tom Brady has a role in the Raiders.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Who is that? Troy is getting advice, has the ear of the Dolphins.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

So it's ha. It's starting to happen more.

[Ocho]

Well, maybe, maybe. I wonder if the opportunity would present itself for me to have some type of front office role in Cincinnati.

[Chad Johnson]

That's a family. That's a family run business. That ain't happening. You know that.

[Ocho]

And I'm a part of the, I'm a part of the family. I'm not sure if you knew.

[Chad Johnson]

First of all, you notice it. You know, the Cincinnati Bingo's more than anybody. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So you know, is, is Mike Brown his daughter and son in law and that Katie.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Troy. Yeah. And listen, hold on. You're not. And right up under this.

[Chad Johnson]

Me.

[Ocho]

Yeah, right. Right up under. Up there. But if, if I need anything. You know how you can call the Broncos, huh? If you need anything. But if I need anything, and I'm not, I'm not even talking about football related. I'm talking about if I was down to my last. You hear me? Hey, Chad, listen to me real quick. If I was down.

[Chad Johnson]

Dan Morgan's in, in the role in the Carolina.

[Ocho]

In the Carolina. That's right.

[Chad Johnson]

Is Keakley doing anything for the. I don't think Keakley's doing anything for the. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Monk, you're not hearing what I'm saying though. Monk, if I was down to my last boy and I about to be homeless and I need to, I, I. Well, I need a little help.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Ocho]

I can make, I can make that call, but everybody can't do that. What? Yeah, I'm talking about. Hey, I need some cash. I am. Hey, listen to me. I am of no value to you anymore. But you know what? I'm in a bad position. Can you load me some.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, well, look.

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[Chad Johnson]

Now if the bowler was in situation. I had that kind of relationship with the bowling. I don't know. Right. I have a great. The time that I've spoken to Rob and, and the Pinners. They've been great to me. So I don't want people to come back. Well, Shannon can't go back to the Broncos. They open up the facility, they open up the facilities and let me sit down and interview John. Just last week, two weeks ago. Yeah. So the Ravens, excuse me. The Broncos have been great to Shannon Sharp, but I don't have. I didn't play for them. It's a different type of relationship. I played for Mr. B. I had a, a personal relationship with Mr. B. Mr. B, they're doing. I think they're going to release a documentary. And his daughters reached out and asked me what I talk. Because of the relationship that I had with Mr. B. Yes, it was next to John. It's hard to say that his favorite player wasn't. Wasn't 84 Sharpie. So. But no, the, the Ravens have been the, the Raven. I keep saying the Ravens because we just talked. We just talked about them. The Broncos have been great. Most of the time I just call, I call Chip. Chip. I need something. I'm getting some more of these cups. I need some more of these cups. If I need hat. If I need gear, I need paraphernalia, something like that. You know, something like that. I'll just call. I reach out to Chip or I reach out to Flip. A Flip. I need a helmet. Flip. I need some, I need some, some teas. Just hey, what you need? Sharpie. So. But no, the Broncos have been great to Shannon Sharp. The Broncos have been great. The Broncos help put Shannon Sharp's kids through college, through private school. Hey, take care of his family. The Broncos and the Broncos first. And the Ravens. The Broncos started it. The Ravens made late. Made it like, okay, if I want to work after, after my career, I can, but if I don't, I can shut it down. Cleveland Browns. They have fired Kevin Stefanski after six years. He's a two time Coach of the Year and he won Cleveland's first playoff game in more than 25 years. Despite those accolades, Stefanski exit with a 4556 record and went 826 in his last two seasons. The majority of Stefanski success came with Baker Mayfield, but the Browns have since traded him away. This is the list of passes in no particular order that has come along since Baker. Desean Watson, Jacoby Brissette, Joe Flacco, Jameis Winston, Shador Sanders, Dylan Gabriel, Dorian Thompson Robinson, P.J. walker. Drift, just drift. Jeff Driscoll and Bailey Zappy. That's a lot of quarterbacks. Now it was reported today and I don't know Pete Prisco who writes for CBSSports.com he's reported that Stefanski never wanted Desean Watson. Ocho, if I don't know if you saw it, but I was talking to John and I asked him, one of the reasons why I asked him, you know, one of his biggest regret is that he didn't take Josh Allen. And I said, well, why didn't you take him? He said, he said sharpie. I just couldn't get the coaches to buy in. He was really, really raw and it was going to take some time for him to develop. You know, he didn't throw, he turned the ball over and he didn't throw with a high completion. But I just couldn't get the coaches to buy in. And when you're talking about, you know, taking somebody with the fifth pick of the draft or you take it a big time fridge like a, at the quarterback position like a desean Watson Ojo, you need everybody bought in. Can't nobody. Yeah. There can't be any lukewarm feeling. Well, yeah, I, I, I, I, I'll co. No, we got to be all bought in. Now. That's what Pete Prisco say. We don't know that to be true. But what it did, because it hadn't worked out so far, Ocho, it kind of doomed the franchise because think about what you gave up three first rounders. You gave up a second round. I think you gave up a third round. Finally all what they all gave up. And when it doesn't work out, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yes, well, well, listen to you, angel and Unk. I mean this didn't doom the franchise. The franchise been doomed before that situation even happened. They've been through 37,000 quarterbacks. They haven't been able to find the one. Now obviously if Josh Allen, if they've gotten Josh Allen, despite what they might have seen on tape. Listen, when you draft, regardless of what round, regardless of what pick is still hit or miss, no matter what, you can get somebody in the first round that played great in college and it might, it might not translate over into NFL.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

It just happens like that. Sometime this year's draft, we're talking about some of the players that are coming into the draft. They're going to very bad teams and when they go to these bad teams, some of these players that are going to go early aren't transcending talents, they are not generational talents and but they have a superior supporting cast around them in college and therefore they're going to go high to a very bad team and you're going to wonder why they struggle. They struggle because of them having, I mean, them not having the tools and the supporting cast around when they get to these NFL teams. And it's a different ball game if you're not a transcending talent, which I really haven't seen. I'm talking about a generational talent that would show up right now in college. There is not that.

[Chad Johnson]

That's.

[Ocho]

There's not that coming into the draft.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Ocho]

It's not. I'm just, I'm just being honest and I'm not sure people in the chat, I'm not sure what you're watching. Even even though college players that have played well, those college quarterbacks ain't no Lamar Jacksons, ain't no Josh Allen's, ain't no Joe Burrows, ain't no Patrick Mahomes. Now that there's a chance they could pan out to be that. But team don't have the patience for.

[Chad Johnson]

That to happen or the culture. Because if, if you go back and think about Ocho, Josh Allen's rookie year with a turnover machine, it wasn't until he got Brian Dayball that he turned into the job. The Josh Allen that we see now and the, the guy that's, that's taken over has even taken him to a higher height and got him to an mvp. So that's the thing. They're going to be some rough spots. And the question is, are we built to withstand those rough spots until he gets this thing figured out.

[Ocho]

And Joe, this is another thing. Joe and Unc, if you're not built, which you aren't going to be, the Raiders aren't built.

[Chad Johnson]

No.

[Ocho]

And whoever they pick, they're going to get a quarterback. Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

They got to.

[Ocho]

They're going to get a quarterback. On. Do you trust Mark Davis and all the people that are in that building, that are in positions of power to build a team around him, to make sure he can be competent, a good quarterback for the future? Because if you don't, what's going to happen? That can be demoralizing. Joe, though, you, Joe, you go into the wrong situation like that, hey, look, you got no helper and you ain't got no help around you.

[Chad Johnson]

I can imagine.

[Ocho]

I can imagine you come from, you come from a winning program where you've won everything and then you come to the NFL and it's a different ball game. Joe, this is the best of the best and. But it's levels to everything. It's the best of the best, and you're going early, but the team you're on is just not good. The players you're playing with, even though they're part of the 1%, they just not good.

[Chad Johnson]

What you thinking, Joe? Man, we, we talk. What team y' all talking about right now? Uncle Ocho, he's your top quarterback. Top five top quarterbacks go into a bad situation because that's the. I know, I know. We're talking about the best players. Yeah, I know. We go to the worst teams and help them. All of a sudden they're not the worst teams anymore. Yeah, I know, I know. You had said something about, you know, these coaches getting fired. Even when I look. Yeah, yeah, even when I look at the Cleveland situation, man, you got a pretty good quarterback, Uncle Ocho. Why not just like beef up your offensive line? Get, get, get some more weapons. Whoever you're going to have back there throwing the ball at the end of the day, man, you got to protect the quarterback and you got to get, you got to give him some more weapons. From what I've been saying, they definitely did. Wide receiver, you got Queen Judkins. We'll see how soon he can come back. That's the same. Will he come? Well, I mean, is he going to miss time, Ocho? You know, he had a serious injury. Will he miss time? Will he be back for OTAs? Will he be ready for training camp? How soon and will he be back? I think the thing is, Ocho, is that. But see, when you get a 26 year old, that's proven. It's supposed to be can't miss. We're not talking about a guy out of college, Ocho. We're talking about a guy that, at the time that they signed him, he was a top five quarterback. Everybody had Deshaun Watson in their top five. So that's not a situation where we're getting a guy that's never played, never thrown an NFL football, never doesn't know what it's like to go to NFL meetings and, and lead a huddle and command and be the voice, men among men. That's Desean Watson, 26 years of age. He had just led the league in passing, had been a Pro bowl player. So he was supposed to be. Can't miss. You get Tom Brady. You get Tom Brady going to Tampa. He can't miss. You get Peyton Manning. Granted, now Peyton Manning was. He had the, the elbow, the nerve in his. Nerve in his neck, Ocho. But based on that, if everything checked out, if he could throw the ball, 40 yards. Peyton Manning was supposed to be. Can't miss. That was Desean Watson, 26 years of age, fully healthy, just led the league in passing, and he gets to Cleveland. And for whatever reason, I'm like, I don't know this guy. I don't know this guy. This is not the guy that came from Houston, Ocho. I don't know him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're right, Cleveland, you need wide receivers. You got a great tight end, but it doesn't hurt to have another one. Yeah, Knox and Kincaid. Did you see how they got that in Buffalo? Ocho, hold on.

[Ocho]

What about. What about the Bears?

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. Loveland.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You got Warren. You got more Ally Cox in. In the Colts. You got two tight ends. You got Strange and the other guy at Jacksonville. So they need weapons. They need to be beef up that offensive line. The offensive line is just not good enough right now, man. They're not good enough right now, but you need weapons. But you can't keep. You can't keep shuttling quarterbacks in and out.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You mentioned Mark Davis. I ain't got no problem with Mark Davis, because Mark Davis will. Now, he's not like his dad. He's not meddlesome like his dad. He trusts the people that he hired. The people that he hired just effed it up because he didn't want to fire Jon Gruden, the NFL lady.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And he's one of those. He's one of those owners. He's not like his dad. They'd have never made his dad fire anybody. He's like, you fire him, he wouldn't hire some more of his family. Just. That's not. Joe. You didn't catch it. See, I. I called it the. The real. He's like that. That's not how his son is. His son is like, okay, I'll tow the company line. I'll do everything. Jerry has replaced his dad as the outlaw man. I'm gonna do what the hell I say, Right? I paid for this team. I'm not gonna let you tell me what to do or boss me around, but. Right, Ocho, here's what Jimmy Haslam had to say about the state of the Browns. And I want you to hear this, okay? First of all, ownership takes full responsibility.

[Commercial Announcer]

For where we are.

[Chad Johnson]

To win eight games in two years is horrible.

[Commercial Announcer]

It's totally unacceptable, okay?

[Chad Johnson]

And it's not going to continue.

[Commercial Announcer]

Okay?

[Chad Johnson]

And I want the fans to know we are as frustrated as you are.

[Ocho]

Hey, there's one thing about it, right? Hey, listen, Ownership. Ownership. Hey, Unc, this is the funny thing about it. Ownership takes full responsibility. Hey, owners can't get fired, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

I know.

[Ocho]

Hey, the people. Hey, the people that own, they can't get fired.

[Chad Johnson]

400 probably 400. 425 coming Ocho in March.

[Ocho]

What that mean?

[Chad Johnson]

The TV contract every NFL's teams cut.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Hey, so wait, oh, 425 million?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

How much we getting out of that?

[Chad Johnson]

We don't own no team. And oh, show. Now that's the TV cut. Now, we ain't say nothing about you selling tickets. We ain't say nothing about the local advertising. We didn't say nothing about local tv, local sponsorship. We say nothing about sparking and we say nothing about concession.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It add up. It added. You ain't got to tell me twice. I understand the business side of things. I just don't like to talk about it.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay? Brown's general manager, Andrew Barry said today that he was non committal on the team starting quarterback for 2026 and that the new head coach will have a say in the decision. Barry said, we're going to do our work on the quarterback market is too important of a position and it's something that has to be solidified. I can't sit here and tell you today whether to start it in 2026 is internal or external, but it's something that we're going to work through over the next several weeks. And quite honestly, the new head coach will also have a lot of input into that. Ocho, you see what he said?

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

He said it's too important a position. He said, I can't sit here today and tell you internal left quarter. Oh, here. Andrew Barry said today that he was non committal on the starring quarterback for 2026 season. Right. And the new head coach will have a say. He should have be safe. He gotta coach. You see what he did? Yeah. He gonna put again gonna put somebody on the head coach that maybe the head coach doesn't want and then I stole. Yeah, it's like your grandma used to put that plate down for you, man. I don't want that. Okay, do without.

[Ocho]

But. But obviously, obviously Andrew Berry, they've made mistakes when it comes.

[Chad Johnson]

I still got a job and I don't advocate anybody. I don't advocate anybody getting fired or Joe.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm just saying you okay, Stefanski, and I'm not saying Stefanski didn't deserve to go, but I'm saying who hired Stefanski? Who brought all those players in? He did. So he Bring all those players in. He stays and gets to hire another coach. Okay?

[Ocho]

And, and that's why they feel comfortable taking responsibility for all the losing. Because there, there, there's nothing that's going to happen to those who own. They just, they gonna, they gonna keep recycling coach after coach, quarterback after quarterback, at some point until they, until they get back.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe. So let me get this right. Jimmy Haslam stood before the press today and said eight wins over the last two seasons is unacceptable. Is it unacceptable for the guy that hired that coach? I mean, last I checked, I mean, you ain't get him off a, a hiring app. I mean, maybe, maybe it was zip. Recruiter, you know, they, hey, you know, you get these people got to get all the emails and all these different, you know, advertise hiring agencies. I heard you looking for work. Where you hear that from?

[Ocho]

I mean, you know, you know what the issue, all these coaches, that's getting fired. When coaches get fired in general, I mean, it all comes down to one common denominator. You don't have the goddamn players. You need to have success. Kashan McVeigh ain't going nowhere. Bill Belichick lasted 20 years. Look at all the coaches that have, that have had long sustaining careers. They've always been able to compete.

[Chad Johnson]

Staying cronky. Sean McVeigh says, Look, I understand you took this guy number one, but I can't win with him. I've gone as far as I can go with him. We need to do something. Now, you tell me what other coach is going to have an input that says, you know what, we're going to trade our number one pick, give up first rounders. We will need Matt Stafford. How many owners gonna do that, Ocho? The Raiders have fired their head coach, Pete Carroll after just one season. Carroll said the Raiders would win a bunch of games in his first season. Instead, The Raiders finished 3 and 14, had a check, but they got that number one pick. The Raiders were at the bottom of almost every category, offensively and defense. The unit finished 31st. Impressions rate, 27th and sack despite Max Crosby having 10 this season. The Raiders are also looking to hire a financial advisor. That's what you should Ocho, think about all the coaches. And they owe Antonio Pierce 8 million, Josh McDaniel 10 million. John Gruden 10 million. Pete Carroll 16 million, Chip Kelly 6 million. And you got to bring another head coach in and his staff got to pay them.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but listen, if they need to hire, if they need to hire a Joe, if they need to hire a financial advisor, yeah, I'm right where they need to come.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I'm right.

[Ocho]

I'm exactly who they need to call. Hey, listen, if there's anything I can get them out of that. They don't worry about that. I can get them out of that. If it's anybody that knows and that's financially conscious and very savvy when it comes to spending and making sure it's me.

[Chad Johnson]

It's too late, Ojo.

[Ocho]

It's me. Well, listen, I. It might be too late, but I will make sure they won't make any more goddamn mistakes and, and overspending from this point on. Now bring. Bring me in the building.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, here's the thing. When you fire a coach, you ain't got no choice. You on the hook for his book, for his money.

[Ocho]

Well, listen, we go, we gonna be, we gonna be a lot more cautious on who we hire and making sure we allow that contract.

[Chad Johnson]

You could have hired Bill. You could have hired Bill Belichick. Your quarter. That quarterback situation, you gonna be right here. Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, so if you're the Raiders though, do you get one of these kids coming out the draft they're going to back or do you go? Because I don't believe. I don't. Ocho, at some point in time you got to stop trying to get stuff. You got to stop trying to. Like we used to call it secondhand, you know, Joe, you don't talk about second getting on second hand. Man, it was a long time before I had a new car by something myself that somebody hadn't got in there and pass gas in it. I want to be the first one to pass gas in this car, so. Oh, so you know, you getting second hand stuff. I think they need to move on from that second hand and get a quarterback of their own.

[Ocho]

And where he gonna come from?

[Chad Johnson]

Look, the kid from Indiana. Indiana or the kid from the Oregon, they're coming out. It's too much money not to. That ain't gonna get it is Ojo.

[Ocho]

No, you put them, you put them young bulls in that environment. Have you seen Organ's team? Have you seen Indiana? And what you think gonna happen to either one of them if they go to the Raiders? What is going. What they gonna look like? You already know?

[Chad Johnson]

Look, they're a long ways away. They need, they need offensive line, they need defensive players. Look, you gotta trade Max Crosby. He's the only thing that's the only thing of value that you have that can bring you back draft compensation to help you build up. That's the only thing about you got. That's the only thing that you can trade. So you're gonna have to trade him and, and. And get a first and a third and a second next year.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

And you got a first this year. But Ultra, you gotta hit. You gotta hit.

[Ocho]

And that's the hard it is.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

It's making sure. It's like going to the goddamn casino playing. Playing roulette. You know roulette? You never know.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. Same thing though. Yeah, I get you. Yeah. You spin the ball and you. You spin the. The wheel. Yeah, I get it. Yeah.

[Ocho]

And the numbers. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

What is it called? Roulette, man.

[Ocho]

Come on, man. Why y' all always correcting me, man?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, look, you got it. You got Brock Bowers. He's one of your top tight ends in the league. So you got a pass catching tight end. You need a receiver. You, you went into the draft, you got it back last year. You need somebody to block for the back. You need somebody to block for your quarterback. You got. You got Christie. Excuse me. Crosby. That. He can. He could. You're not trading. You're not trading Brock Bowers. The reason why I didn't mention him. Because you're not trading him.

[Ocho]

No, no, not a chance.

[Chad Johnson]

Max cross trade and get that could help you build this thing back up. Because that's really the only thing that you have a valuable. That value that you're willing to move. You got to start with that foundational piece, Ocho. At the end of the day.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, if you got a house, Ocho, what you gonna get? What's the first thing you go buy? What. What can't you live without?

[Ocho]

Shoot, I'm hoping you say furniture, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

I will give you. You can go. I give you $500 and you got to get one piece.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Chad Johnson]

In the house.

[Ocho]

Tv.

[Chad Johnson]

Man, that's accessory. Hey, not when you got a phone. I could do it. I can watch all that stuff on my phone.

[Ocho]

I mean. Okay, okay. Damn, that's a good one, huh? Because the first thing I'm thinking about, about getting the house is if I need some furniture, I got to have somewhere to lay. Lay my head. And a tv. I'm trying to think what else I.

[Chad Johnson]

Can speak for experience. I bought a house. Talk to me. It was over budget. Joke. You know what I'm saying? My people told me, Shannon, you can spend 425, 000. I said, I got you 425. I give me a big old high for 425. First house the lady showed me was 625. I said, why you show me this house? You know, I can't afford this. Let's go somewhere else. But I said, before we go somewhere else, let me look around. You know what I said? I said, joe, Ocho. I said, before we go. Since we here now, I might as well look around. I put my hands around pockets, I walk in there.

[Ocho]

Yeah, hey, hey, that's the game they play on.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, man. Big old. I ain't never seen no walk in shower. Yeah, yeah. I mean, our towers were the same place my jeans were, you know, I could go get a pair of jeans and get a towel. So you know what I'm saying? I ain't never seen no linen closet. Linen. Yeah, yeah. I walked down, she opened the door, I go to. I said, that's a basement. I said. I said, what is that? At the time, I ain't know what it was. I said, what is this called? She said, it's a basement. Yeah. And it's finished. Yeah. I'm walking down there carpeted. 3,000 square foot.

[Odoo Advertiser]

Damn.

[Chad Johnson]

I could just imagine what I could be doing in here. Yeah, a lot of trampoline action. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Trampoline. Your boy. Your boy were young. I was 24, 25. Now I think it's trampoline. Okay. I said, okay. Just a little bit out of my budget. Let me see the other houses, you know. I said, let me see that. Hey, that 425 ain't gonna hit nothing like that. Okay? She said, well, okay, Mr. Sharp. This is like. This is like 435 to 450. She saw.

[Odoo Advertiser]

She.

[Chad Johnson]

I saw those houses. I walked in half a handle pocket just like this right here. But I don't want this. I go to the other one. Same thing. Hands in my pocket. I look around, I said, let's go back and look at the other house one more time. Let's look at the other. First house you showed me. That first one you showed me. She said, are you sure, Mr. Shark? Cause they told me the budget. Yeah, yeah. I go back there, I started. Started thinking. I said, I'm right here in the heart of Buckhead, man. I'm right there. I could walk the Fields Plaza. I could walk the Lennox Mall.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I can walk to the movie theaters. That's in Phil's Platter. Because back then, Joe, I don't know if you remember or when you got there, they used to have a movie theater in Lennox Mall. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh.

[Chad Johnson]

Till old Boy got shot. A dude got shot there, but it was. You didn't want to go there. I'll tell you about that later, Joe. But anyway. Yeah, I said, I was thinking about it. I remember she dropped me back at the time. She dropped me back at the hotel. Yeah. She said, what you think, Mr. Sharp? I said, I think I'm about to be over budget. I said, I think I'm over budget. Hey, that's how they get me. Well, that's how they get. You know who I bought the house from? Yo. Sugar Ray Leonard's ex wife, Juanita. Well, they got you. Hey, they got you just how they got me.

[Ocho]

How they got you.

[Commercial Announcer]

Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, Joe. I'm out here supposed to be looking for me a nice little townhouse. I just come from Phoenix.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

And I head to Atlanta. Okay, man, you know Sharif Abdul Rahim, he just built this house out here in Sandy Springs.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

He been living in in six months. I said, oh, well, we can go by there and check it out. We come by here, Ocho, I'm still in the house to this day. We come, We come by here. They got the chef in there. He got everything whipped up right. Man, I supposed to be looking at a townhouse. This 14,000 square feet. Look, you ain't gonna take me go look at no townhouse. I don't know why you. Why not start with the 425s first, right? Why you start with this? It's like I'm about to go to that.

[Ocho]

Hold on. Time out, time out, time out, time out. Let's slow down a little bit. Cause Joe just threw that out there like I. Like we me in the chat and.

[Chad Johnson]

Hear him just say, I'm just keeping it114,000 square feet.

[Ocho]

Boy, boy, you in Buckingham Palace. What?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, Joe, listen. Look, boy, I had to have a long talk with my mama about this townhouse. I ain't gonna go to no townhouse.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. I gotta. I got to come out there and holla at you, boy.

[Chad Johnson]

Now you gotta come see me. Come see me.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, you. Like you say, your property. That's a property. That ain't no house.

[Chad Johnson]

Here you go. Hey, Ocho, I've been blessed, Ojo. It ain't just a house. I got three kids all over the age of three. Oh, I said, man, how I'm gonna make this work? I was like, oh. I said, man, swear for God and two white men. I was eating ketchup with a knit needle, man, look here. I ain't Never, man. I ain't never ate so much tuna, oatmeal and eggs in my life, man. I went to Sam's, I was buying like seven, eight dozen, like 20 dozen eggs at a time. I was getting cake. I was getting pallets of tuna. That's all I could eat. I could play with that. I got to pay for the house. I gotta pay child support. That's all I had.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, listen, you gotta make, you gotta sacrifice, huh? You wanted that house. Listen, I understand your pain. I've been there before. Maybe not. Maybe not to that extent, but listen, we. We've all had to sacrifice something.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

There's something else that we like and we love or we. We appreciate at that, at that time, knowing inside our budget.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, knowing Goodwill, because we know it's coming. Ain't had no tape, nothing to eat up. I didn't. I had a couch and I had a bed. That's all I had for. Hey, hey, hey, look. Hey, hey. That had you working hard as all. I had a king size bed. I had a king size bed. What's that? You remember the furniture store, Huffs Joe? Right there on Ladies Road by that church. It used to be a glass. It was a big glass building right there. But the furniture, that's what it all. All the high end black entertainer Salem. They used to go get their furniture there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You probably spent. Why do that? But, you know, I had to get my baby. I had to take it like, oh, oh, Joe, oh, Joe. I had a bed now. But, you know, my bed was black lacquer. Black lacquer. And it light up like. Like a infinity. Like infinity.

[Ocho]

And hold on, you had LED lights.

[Chad Johnson]

Before it was cool. Before it was. Before it was in style. Right, right. And let me tell you what I did. Let me tell you what I had Ocho. I splurged a little bit. I went all in. Like I said, I was eating ketchup with a knit needle.

[Ocho]

Come on, take your time.

[Chad Johnson]

And I had me a leather comforter custom made for the bed. Oh, boy, you cut up leather? What? Leather. Leather comforter, custom for the bed.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, you could. Then I did a car signing. You know, I did a car if, you know, back then you saw a kind of sign cars, they gave your boy a little money. I signed like 2000. Car got me about 12, 5. Okay. Bought me some satin sheets. Satin. Hey, how about this here, man? You know, I see them in the movies, how they run jump in the bed. How I go jump in the bed. Always Cause the floor, to the other side, on the floor, I went. I said, oh, man, that stuff look good. This ain't functional. Hey, hey, hold up. But why are you talking, though, Uncle Ocho, Y' all still don't do car signings? Oh, I do. I do. I do every. Every blue moon, Joe. Because back then, you know, my brother would take me like, they want my brother. He had just. But in the beginning, they wanted my brother because he had, you know, won the Triple Crown. He was a all pro first, you know, hunter catch season, back to back hunter catch season. So they wanted him, and the only way he would go do the signing, they had to take me. So they throw you for 2500. 5000.

[Ocho]

Right, right.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, one time I signed 10,000 cards. Damn. In one sin, they get you. They gave you three months. Yeah. Oh.

[Ocho]

To get through it. Okay, okay.

[Chad Johnson]

But also, I had a couch. I had no tv, but I had a bed. The bed was nice. I'm just saying the bed was nice. The bed was nice. Oh, yeah. Hey, I'm still doing car signings to this day. Boy, the way they.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I still. I still sign a lot. Boy.

[Chad Johnson]

Bad boy. Hey, I look back. I look back, I think about sometime now, I just be laying. I was like, damn right. This thing could have went sideways in a hurry.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I ain't have no choice. You were shooting up. Yeah, I was shooting up. And I got three. I got to get on. I got three kids, they in daycare, and I got. I still got to take care of granny. I still got to take care of living mom every once in a while, plus the kid. That's my number one responsibility. So if I got to do without, I'm cool. People say, man, right. I could train myself. I'll go a couple of days without eating. Here be killing you. Killing you. You're so hungry. But I said, nah, I got. I gotta put myself in a situation because if I ever have to not be able to eat, I'm gonna be good with.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey. It's a lot of people, ain't they? They ain't gonna be to understand what you're saying, bro.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no.

[Chad Johnson]

It's a lot of us. It's a lot of us who have been there and done that.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, Joe. The funny thing about it is, is the people. The people aren't going to understand because they vote. They've only seen the finished product. They've only seen the finished product. They only seen you on Sundays. They don't Understand the walk you took and the path you took to get to where you are. They don't understand the sacrifices that came along that goddamn journey before you got to. Yes, what you see on Sundays, they never get it. They never get it without coin.

[Chad Johnson]

The phrase told me I wore summer clothes. I told him. And when I went to college, I said, man, I wore summer clothes. Man looked at me and said, what you mean, summer clothes? Some of my brothers, some of my uncles, some of my cousins, hey, they just passed that thing on down.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I'm like, they so smacking wear this last year, I got to, man, listen. And when you. When it got too small for me, that's the jeans they cut up. And you know, back then, you know, you're on your. You're on your knees. You put holes in your knees in the jeans. My grandma was. That had gotten too small for me. Man, all that stitching. Come on, Granny. This one. You was in college? No, I was. I wasn't coming up in school. I was coming up. Yeah, but no, when I was in college, you know, look, I went to college. Oh, yeah. I had matching luggage. I had two Piggly Wiggly bags with everything I own inside of them. Imagine, luggage. Ocho Piggly Wiggly. No, it might have been Win Decks at the time. They changed the name. But I had two brown bags. You don't believe in, ask Passport.

[Ocho]

That's it.

[Chad Johnson]

I went to College. Class of 86. That's what we call ourselves, 86. Ask them how I showed up. Two Winn Dixie Brown. Brown grocery bags. I had everything I own in those bags. Hey, I believe. Boy, I ain't had much in there when I went to college neither. I ain't gonna lie to you. I used to wear the crap out them Arkansas Razorback sweats. Ocho, we ain't. Hell, no. I'm talking about all kind of stuff on them sweats.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. Like it was designed, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Man, what you talking about? And you remember, like, in the dorm, you had, like. We had one washer. We had two washers, two dryers. Now, think about it. You got long. You might got 70 guys, two washers, two trials. So guess what happened. Guess what happened. If your stuff, your stuff, you not there to see it, it's gonna be. It's gonna be on top. If somebody else stuff in there. And you just hope your best eyes shirt or your best stuff, you see somebody with, they don't take it. Don't ask me. Hey, hey, hey. You already know, though, when you down there washing Them clothes in college, you got to stay. You gotta stay down there with it.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You can't put the stunning clothes and talking about. You finna go to your room. Okay. Okay. Hey. That was the best thing on show when I got a girlfriend. I got a girlfriend my junior year.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, you thought. Hey.

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[Ocho]

She taking everything.

[Chad Johnson]

Everything. Washed it. Fold it up. Cause you know, I'm just washing out. Hey. I'm dumping everything in there together. Throwing powder in there. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey. Hey. Yeah. You ain't say hey. You ain't separating nothing. You washing.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm washing everything. The only thing I didn't have is bleach. I just knew you couldn't put bleach in color. But everything else. Hey, tied. That's all. That's the only. That's the only. That's the only thing we always use. We only use time. We have no fabric softener. We have nothing static. And that powder. I have about four pair of socks stuck to my. Jeez. Y' all know what I'm talking about. I ain't the only one. Hey. I remember those days, boy. Hey, hey.

[Ocho]

That's throwback. That's Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Is it rare to see Pete Carroll? Because the one thing we know about Pre. Carol, he can rebuild. Look at what he did at usc. Look at what he did at Seattle. Are you surprised that they didn't give him more time to try to get this thing turned around than one year?

[Ocho]

No, absolutely not. I'm not surprised at all, obviously, because where they were ranked offensively and defensively, I'm not sure if the players were responding to Pete Carroll, obviously. I think they want to go a little bit younger when it comes to the coaching staff that they. That they want to bring in. They want to go in a completely different direction. Obviously, I love Pete. I love what Pete has been able to do at the NFL level, at the collegiate level. But it's obvious that Tom and others that are making those calls in that building want to go much younger to another coach, where the player is a little bit more receptive to what they have to say.

[Chad Johnson]

But think about what he had in Seattle. They get Russ. They get Sherm. They get B Wags. They get Cliff Averill. They get Earl Thomas. They got Cam. Look at what the. Look at what they're doing now. They trade for Beast Mode. They draft those receivers. Curse and Baldwin. You see? Look at what they got.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Now you. You got Russ. Now you got a nucleus. What nucleus is in oak, you know? Excuse me.

[Ocho]

In Vegas, it ain't Mac Crosby, Brock Bowers, even though it's early.

[Chad Johnson]

And with that, it wasn't until they got the quarterback with Russia.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

That they were able and par with that legion of boom. They get Michael Bennett, you know, they get Michael Bennett and they get, you know, Malcolm Smith and they get a couple of these other guys and yeah, voila.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that took. That took time now team.

[Chad Johnson]

They give you no time now. Oh.

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[Chad Johnson]

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