BEST OF NFL Week 2 Part 1: Micah Parsons is UNFAIR + Joe Burrow OUT!

Summary

Club Shay Shay – BEST OF NFL Week 2 Part 1: Micah Parsons is UNFAIR + Joe Burrow OUT!

Podcast: Club Shay Shay

Host: iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media

Date: September 17, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode features Shannon Sharpe, joined by co-host Ocho, for a Week 2 NFL breakdown focusing on standout performances, pivotal injuries, and player/team dynamics. The discussion highlights Micah Parsons' dominance, the injury and uncertain status of Joe Burrow, wide receiver drama, key coaching moments, and game analysis, all infused with the hosts' signature banter and player insight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Packers Commanding Win & Defensive Showcase

• Packers beat Commanders 27-18 to improve to 2-0, prompting optimism for their playoff hopes.
• Main focus: Relentless Packers’ defense, especially the back end and the impact of Micah Parsons (now with Green Bay), who generated 8 pressures and a half-sack [07:33].
• Jordan Love’s growth as an efficient, quick-processing QB versus blitzes; set a career high in air yards per attempt.
• Backfield standouts: Kraft (TE, 124 rec yards), Josh Jacobs (RB).
• The hosts praised the Packers secondary, notably Brother Nixon and Xavier McKinney, for their discipline and ability to sit on routes due to the strong pass rush.

"That back end to me for the Packers stuck out on film back to back weeks." – Uncle [07:13]

"When you get that kind of push up front, you ain't got a whole lot [of time]." – Ocho [08:32]

Key Segment: Packers' Defense and Parsons ([03:39]–[12:28])

• Detailed breakdown of how the D-line's pressure lets DBs play aggressively.
• Micah Parsons' role compared to historic pass rushes (shout-out to Eagles' legends).
• Specific plays by DB Brother Nixon highlighted as technical standouts.

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2. Jordan Love’s Growth and Command Under Pressure

• Love’s performance dissected: calm vs blitz, rapid reads, and big-play execution.
• Hosts point out missed opportunities (late throw to Matthew Golden) but highlight his significant strides, especially under blitz [16:01].

"Jordan Love is doing exactly what veteran quarterbacks do and understand." – Uncle [16:01]

Key Segment: QB Play Analysis ([16:01]–[18:43])

• Detailed talk on Love recognizing and exploiting defensive blitzes.
• Romed with analogies to Devante Adams, Tyreek Hill, and other WR comparisons.

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3. Joe Burrow’s Toe Injury & Fallout for Bengals

• Joe Burrow’s injury: Severity unclear, with speculation of turf toe possibly requiring surgery and 3 months out. Medical details are debated, with skepticism about instant diagnoses.
• Discussion on how similar injuries have ended or altered notable NFL careers.
• Ocho expresses optimism that Jake Browning can keep Bengals afloat in Burrow’s absence.
• Talk about the impact of injuries to a QB’s mechanics and risk of developing bad habits [23:59].

"It's a violent sport. Injuries happen... you want to minimize those injuries the best way you can." – Uncle [23:38]

"The one thing you don't want to do is mess with those mechanics... when you start having injuries, you develop bad habits." – Ocho [24:17]

Key Segment: Injury Drama & QB Depth ([18:43]–[29:10])

• Real-time texting to Burrow for updates (“Let me text Burrow, man. ...get it right from the horse's mouth.” – Uncle [21:52]).
• Candid assessment of how the Bengals’ offense might adapt: running back Chase Brown, receiving corps depth, Jake Browning’s game plan.

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4. WR & Team Chemistry Woes

• Brian Thomas Jr. (Bengals) & Malik Nabers: frustration and lack of targets leads to visible drops and sideline discontent [29:10].
• Talk about star receivers venting (“You saw Kelsey say, ‘I'm tired of this sh*t.’”) and how frustration can produce more mistakes.

“You be wanting the ball. You get angry on the sideline. Same thing with Kelsey today...” – Uncle [30:16]

• All agree: keep your cool, produce when targeted, and don’t let frustration take over.

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5. Quick-Hits: Other Game Breakdowns & Standout Players

Bengals’ Defensive Grit

• Despite offensive turnovers, Cincinnati’s D “just good enough” to withstand Jake Browning’s three interceptions [31:56].
• Optimism Jake Browning will acclimate and manage several games if needed.

Jaguars

• Addressed receiver drama as a normal part of NFL life. “You'll have games like this... get back to the drawing board.” – Uncle [30:26]

Cowboys vs Giants: Thriller in OT

• Dallas wins 40-37 on two late clutch kicks by Brandon Aubrey (64, 46 yards).
• Monster games: CeeDee Lamb (9/112), Giants WR Malik Nabers (9/167/2 TD).
• Critique of Giants' defense “letting defenders just cross their face” and missing tackles in key moments [54:17].
• Praise for Aubrey’s background and effortless power/kicking accuracy [55:25].

Colts: Surprising Early Success

• Colts start 2-0 for first time since 2009.
• Jonathan Taylor (25/165) and Danny Dimes (23-of-34, 316 yards, 1 TD) both shine.
• Emphasis on player accountability, especially for high-penalty performances like Giants’ LT James Hudson, who drew multiple flags and was benched after a sideline argument with coach Brian Daboll [58:40].

Steelers vs Seahawks

• Seattle’s offense exploded in the fourth quarter; rookie RB Caleb Johnson’s special teams blunder leads to a Seahawks touchdown.
• Aaron Rodgers’ uneven play; Sam Darnold solid for Seattle.
• Steelers defense impressive until “the bottom fell out” late [46:53, 49:36].

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Parsons’ Impact:
  “If you don’t understand the game, you’re looking from the outside, looking in, you’d be like, ‘Oh my goodness. Boy, these boys back there is all world.’” – Uncle [11:50]

• On Overzealous Receivers:
  “It always...happens that very way—you complain for the ball, and when they get you the ball, the ball beats you up.” – Uncle [31:13]

• On Backup QBs and Confidence:
  “Browning gonna come to the line like this, right? ... When you have them kind of weapons around you, at times it doesn’t matter who’s at the quarterback position.” – Uncle [28:13]

• Ocho’s WR Depth Chart Debate:
  “I think T. Higgins is phenomenal, but he’s not the A side. ... I’m gonna take a guy that won the Triple Crown away.” – Ocho [36:01]

• On Discipline and Coaching:
  “At the end of the day, you either coach it or you’re condoning it. Are you coaching this type of behavior or condoning it? Either case, you’re wrong.” – Ocho [59:36]

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• Packers win & D-line/Secondary breakdown: [03:39]–[12:28]
• Jordan Love’s blitz management & WR play: [16:01]–[18:43]
• Joe Burrow injury speculation & Bengals future: [18:43]–[29:10]
• WR frustration (Thomas Jr, Kelsey, Nabers): [29:10]–[33:33]
• Cowboys vs Giants OT game: [51:14]–[56:59]
• Benching Giants’ LT James Hudson / Coaching Dilemmas: [58:40]–[66:27]
• Seahawks-Steelers fourth quarter collapse: [45:05]–[50:53]

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Tone and Style

The hosts maintain their trademark conversational, humorous, and deeply knowledgeable tone. Shannon Sharpe and Ocho mix banter with deep football insight, offering both technical breakdowns and player-based perspectives. The energy is high, with real-time debates, shout-outs to player performances, and candid critiques of coaching and attitude issues.

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Takeaways

• Micah Parsons makes the Packers’ defense terrifying and drastically improves the secondary.
• Joe Burrow’s health is the Bengals’ biggest question—backup Jake Browning's performance will determine their playoff trajectory.
• Wide receiver drama is everywhere, but handling adversity and staying prepared is a must.
• Game management (player discipline, coaching, blunders) decides tight contests in the NFL.
• The Cowboys may be turning a corner, and the AFC North is still anybody’s division.

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Recommended For:
Fans wanting detailed, player-focused NFL analysis, insightful breakdowns lined with laughs, and a real locker room-style perspective on league storylines. Week 2 saw spectacular defense, new QB worries, and classic NFL drama—the Club Shay Shay crew covers it all.

Transcript

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[Uncle]

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[Ocho]

Hello, it's your favorite sports unc here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're gonna make Ocho cry. All right. The packers beat the Commanders Ocho 2718 Green Bay movie to 2 0. The packers have now beaten 2 FC 2 NFC east contending well the 2 NFC contending teams and back to back weeks. Oh what did you make of this ball game? Jordan Love was 19 of 31292 two touchdowns, two touchdowns, no interceptions. Jaden Daniel was 24 of 42200 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions. But he was hounded all night long. They pressured him relentlessly and they took him down four times. The Commanders were unable to get a running game going. Oo they had 19 rush attempts, 51 yards. They took the running game away and they unleashed the hounds on Jaden Daniels and they win the ball game 27:18. What did you like about what you.

[Uncle]

Saw from the pack listen from the packers everything. Obviously Michael Michael Parson was the story. Jordan Love and those receivers were the story. They're what we heard about leading up to this game. But to me the back end the back end defensively for The Packers, Xavier McKinney, brother Nixon on the one side they were to me the most surprising which popped out on film which is why which is one of the reasons why I think the packers are going to go very far this year not only into the playoffs but make that run in AFC to contend for that super bowl championship. Unk. This is the what the packers haven't started 20 since what I think 2020 if I'm not mistaken and they look phenomenal not just on offense and Jordan Love this. The receivers did exactly what we expect them to do. I'm hoping Jaden Reed is okay. I think his his collarbone he might have fractured his collarbone. You can tell the way he fell and they put that weight on it.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Uncle]

You already know but everybody else stepped up. Everybody else stepped up offensively. Jordan Love did his thing. Jock Josh Jacobs did his thing. But that back end that back in for the packers obviously not having to the poses and the threats that the Washington commanders did have were nullified. They were nullified because they're back in played extremely well. They sitting on they sit they sitting on routes sitting on plays normally that another team you're not sitting on there.

[Ocho]

Well they know they don't have to play. They don't have to Cover long because they know the pressure is going to come. So they know it. Rashawn, Gary, they know what Van Ness, they know what Michael Parsons, they know with those guys, Wyatt and all those guys is going to generate a pass rush and we don't have to hold up long. So hey, until they show us they can hold up right, there's a chance we get a double move. Okay, but we sitting on everything. Hey, we're going to stand, hey, we're going to stand back here and we don't believe you have time to run by us, right? So if you run by us, hey, the coach, you're going to say that's on me. So you'll have to back up. Going to play, I have to play them a little bit more, honestly. But when you got that kind of relentless pressure and the only thing that really saved him a lot tonight because Jaden Daniel does have legs because they were coming, he did not have a whole lot of time to throw the football. And once you neutralize that run that now you've made the commanders one dimensional. Once you make a team to one dimensional, now they're at your mercy. Because guess what? We already know you can't run it when you want to. We control the terms of this agreement and the terms is you're going to have to throw. We know you have to throw and we're coming to get you.

[Uncle]

Yeah, there, there, there were two plays with a defensive back, Brother Nixon for the, for the Green Bay packers. That, that stuck out to me on film playing all. He was playing off at seven. He did his three step read. He's not even looking at her. He's not even looking at receiver. Receivers coming off full speed. His eyes locked in on Jaden Daniels. Yeah, three steps went, those eyes shifted back to the receiver and he stayed so fundamentally sound. Uncle didn't panic in his pedal, never came out his pedal. Dude ran around, dude tried to run a stop route, man, he broke on that. It almost got picked going the other way, then came back later on in the game they say, okay, we see what you're trying to do. We gonna study you now since you're so aggressive and you're jumping everything short unk. They tried to pump him. He stabbed just a little bit just to throw the timing off a little bit. Speed turned, got right back, got right back in the hip side, knocked the ball down. Those two plays to me stuck out tremendously for me because I understand how difficult it is to, to transition like that as a DB and having that eye discipline and being technically sound and savvy, being patient to be able to do what I saw tonight, no two plays, it's easy to do in practice, but seeing him execute it in the game, knowing that the pressure is going to get there, man, hands down, that, that back end to me for the packers stuck out on film back to back weeks.

[Ocho]

Last week they allowed 246 yards to the Detroit Lions. 200 fewer than 250 yards to the the Washington Commanders. That's back to back weeks. That's the first two games of the season since 1995. Michael Parsons generated a team high eight pressures. He had a half a sack on 37 pass rush attempts in his second game with the Packers. Six of Parsons pressures came in the second half. Look, he's an edge guy, you know and I understand they got a lot of edge guys. And so you're going to have sometimes guys going to have to line up inside and it's all congested in there. But he needs to be in space. Yeah, he can, he can use that quickness. He can use that, that ability to move and bend those edges. I saw the thing they were showing, kind of showing like DT at a 40 degree angle. Michael partner at a 42 degree angle. Both can bend the edges. But I think that's the thing is Ocho, you're right. That back end look really good. But when you get that kind of push up front, you ain't got a whole lot long.

[Uncle]

Right.

[Ocho]

You ain't got to hold up long. Kraft had an unbelievable job at the tight end position. He had 124 yards, the most since Richard Rogers in Week 13, 2015 against Detroit. That was the miracle at Motown. The hair of Mary game O Joe. They've been losing the whole game. And then Aaron Rodgers rolls and he, Richard Rodgers plucks the hail Mary. But defensively there's nothing not to like. Look, he Jordan Love. He was late on one throw. He should have another touchdown early in the ball game. He just late.

[Uncle]

Oh, to Matthew golden. The one of Matthew Golden. That was easy six and it allowed the DB to recover.

[Ocho]

Yep. I don't know why. I don't know why he put that much air up on it. Okay.

[Uncle]

He looked like he tried to touch it instead of just let it go. Just let it go.

[Ocho]

Ain't nobody. Ain't nobody over there, bro. Just go ahead and throw that. And then he had another when he put too much on it because golden had split the seams.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And he probably had a. Probably he probably should have used A little. A shorter club. He had too much. He had too much club.

[Uncle]

You know what? Just in comparison, Matthew golden runs a 4 4. Right. And I look at that play, I look at that play, and this is where I say where I think Tyreek Hill is so special. I didn't mean to bring up Tyreek, but a play like that, a ball like that, where Tyreek is in that position where he split that safety net corner, he makes that catch and run.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but that's. That's the deal between. I mean, people right up under that ball. But that's the difference between 4:2 and 4:4, though. Yeah, you're right. He's gonna run up under that.

[Uncle]

Right.

[Ocho]

But there's a good chance if he. If he doesn't. If he. If he hitches, Tyrese gonna outrun it.

[Uncle]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

[Ocho]

So the thing is, maybe in a situation like that, you can't. You know, you can't take the hitch. You just gotta basically, when you just let it go.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Because Tyree with a free release.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle]

Free.

[Ocho]

Nah, I mean. Cause the thing is, you got to make. You got to make Tyreek drop step. You got to make him do something. You can't just let the man have a free release. Like he run 100 meters, just free go.

[Uncle]

He gone.

[Ocho]

Well, you ask. You. You really asking for trouble. Yeah, but I. You had to be really impressed with the Packers. Look, I'm not overly concerned. Against Washington, that was a buzz saw. That was a short week, and that's no excuse. But when. If you can't run the football against the team that can generate that kind of pressure, you're gonna be in for a long night. Because you gotta. You got to give them something else to think about. Ocho right now, they're not thinking about anything. They're not running about Eckler. They're not worrying about merit, Koski, Merritt. They're not worried about any of those guys because what you've shown is that you can't run the football against our front four.

[Uncle]

Right?

[Ocho]

So now we. We'll. We'll worry about the run. Hey, y' all handle that running a linebacker?

[Uncle]

Y' all handle that.

[Ocho]

We going hunting?

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

They did a great job of keeping Jaden Daniels in the pocket. They did a great job of when he escaped the pocket. Because they got guys that can run. They got guys that can hunt. Hey. And the coach turned him loose. Hey, these dogs gone hunting. And they did a great job of tracking jaden Daniels tonight. 24, 42, 200 yards two touchdowns. He didn't turn it over. But he was under constant pressure. Michael Parsons had eight pressures alone, sacked him four times. So they probably pressured him another, you know, probably 12, 13 times tonight.

[Uncle]

That's exactly what I'm going to ask you. Do you. Do you. Do you see the presence, the presence of Michael Parson, how he. That defense, obviously, listen, they were really good, even if he wasn't there. But his addition to that and speeding up everything else for whoever they're playing offensively, being destructive, throwing off the timing, helping that back end where the DB's right now. But they looking like. They looking like hall of Famers out there now. Yeah, looking like hall of Famers where it seems as if they are making all the plays. But if you don't understand the game, you're looking from the outside, looking in, you'd be like, oh, my goodness. Boy, these boys back there is all world.

[Ocho]

You're right. But that. But you can do that, Ocho.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You look at the secondary, when you had Reggie, when Reggie was in Philly, you look at those guys, all those guys that went. Because you had Reggie, you had Clyde Simmons, you had J. Rested so Jerome Brown.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Look at what you had. So EA and them back there, they didn't have to hold up long. No, they didn't have to hold up long.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So the ball's gonna come out quick. You got Reggie. You got Reggie on one side, you got J. You got Clyde on another side, you got Jay Boogie.

[Uncle]

Hey, who. Eric Allen was on one side, right? Yeah. You remember who was on the other side of Eric Allen, or do you remember?

[Ocho]

It was the defense. Let me see if I can remember. They were Reggie, Clyde, Jerome Brown, Byron, I think Byron Evans, Seth Joyner, ea, Muddy Waters. I don't. I can't off the top of my head, Ocho.

[Uncle]

I can't. I can't remember at all. All I can see, Eric Allen with that 21 on clear as. Yeah, clear as day.

[Ocho]

I can't remember who was on the other side, Ocho. Yeah, but they were. They had a very. They had a very good defense. Man, you look ea. He was in. He was in New Orleans. Also played in New Orleans.

[Uncle]

You talk about on the. It must be on the back end because I don't remember that.

[Ocho]

I know you don't. Nah, he finished up, if I'm not mistaken. I think he finished up with the Raiders. You remember him with the Raiders?

[Uncle]

I remember him. I remember him with the Raiders. I remember that, and I definitely remember.

[Ocho]

I think he. I Think he went from Philly to New Orleans, New Orleans to the Raiders. Okay, can you check that? Eric Allen? I think he went from Philly to New Orleans and then New Orleans to.

[Uncle]

The Raiders.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And if I'm not mistaken, he was when they had the, the Dome, the Dome patrol.

[Uncle]

Right.

[Ocho]

When they had Pat Willings, Ricky Jack Vaugh Johnson, and they had Sam Mills.

[Uncle]

The field.

[Ocho]

The field.

[Uncle]

Middle, Middle linebacker. Sam Mills.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, I think EA was there with them. So he's always had a pass rush in front of him. That's why he was sitting on everything. He had the record before Duron Bland broke it with those six, with those five return touchdowns, because EA Was sitting on everything. But they were, they, they were, they were, they were loaded. They were, they were very good team. Now he was outstanding defensive back. He had great skills. He could take the ball, you know, he could take the ball away and you know, he had great, he had great feet. He was small, smallish and, you know, but he realized he didn't have to hold up long. Yeah, but a lot of those guys had. I think Ricky Jack had already gone. If I'm not mature, I think Swill might have still been there. I think Sam Mills at that point in time had already gone to Carolina, so. But they were, they, they had, they. He had a. He cut his teeth over in Philly. That's where, you know, most of the people remember him from. But he had an outstanding career. Jordan Love finished 9 of 15, 175 yards. Both touchdown came against the command blitz on throws of 10 plus air yards against the blitz, Love was 6 of 8 for 144 yards and a touchdown. His 14.5 air yards per attempt is a career high mark. Oo. Did you like what you saw from Jordan Love?

[Uncle]

Yeah, absolutely. Because the whole point of blitzing is to throw the timing off and get to you before you can get the ball out. Jordan Love is doing exactly what veteran quarterbacks do and understand, okay? Based on what I see, based on tendencies, based on watching film, I already know what's coming. One love make his points. He communicates with that offensive line and they see what's coming. No matter how much you bluffing and rotating and doing all that, all that shenanigans, oh, we know what you're getting ready to do. And when a quarterback knows it ahead of time, you get the kind of night you got from him. When it comes to passing the ball when they're blitzing, I'm not sure what percentage that the Commander did blitz, but I guarantee you 98% of the time that they did. Jordan Luck completed that pass.

[Ocho]

Yeah, well, you're right, Ocho. You try to throw the timing off, but those receivers so quick. Did you see that touchdown by Dobbs at the goal line?

[Uncle]

Yes. Hey, listen, I'm not a defensive back. I'm not a defensive back, but I love defensive back play. All he did was stick to the outside. Why you even going for the first move? You got to have patience like Sallie Mae. Keep your heels on the goal line and don't go nowhere. What you moving for? He didn't even make a move because it was stab outside and come in.

[Ocho]

Because. Because when you study Green Bay. What. What did Devonte Adams. What route did Devonte Adams catch so much, but it got that face stopping that speed.

[Uncle]

Yeah, yeah, okay, you right, you're right, you're right, you're right.

[Ocho]

Hey, how many times we don't see Devonte Adams run that two yard out for a touchdown? Yeah, you better go for it, right.

[Uncle]

You're right because it go.

[Ocho]

Because here's the thing, Ocho, if that man run that speed out and you're not close, they're like, bro, what you waiting on? Why. Why you playing in C men, right? That's a really. That's a really hard. And that's why I say, Ocho, if you up there, if you. If you up there, Ocho, are you going to press or not? Because if you up in a press position, you got to get your hands on the guy. You let a guy free release you up there, you let a guy free release you beat. Yeah, especially down there because you get Ocho, the man ain't got but 2, 3 yards. Go for a touchdown. So he completed. He in the end zone.

[Uncle]

You're right, you're right. I'm. Listen, I never understood with dbs. There's one DB that I've seen that's been able to do it because he's so disciplined and his battle movement is so good, where he can be up and press and not touch you at all because he can stay in front of you the whole time, and that's Denzel Ward. Obviously you have other players that are good that do it a little differently, but they love to use their hands to maintain a leverage throughout the right route. Throughout the route and stay on top of you. But I listen, you got it. If you're going to get up there and press, put your hands on them and throw the timing off, right? Because it throws the timing off right Away.

[Ocho]

Yep. Bengals beat the Jaguars 3127. Joe Burrow. Joe.

[Uncle]

Wait, who, Who, Who?

[Ocho]

The Bengals beat the Jags3127. Joe Burrow is dealing with toe injury that could require surgery. Images of Burrow left toe injury is being sent to noted foot specialist Dr. Robert Anderson to be reviewed. According to Adam Schefter, if surgery is deemed necessary, it is expected to sideline Burrow for approximately three months.

[Uncle]

If the key word was if they sent the photo to the doctor, the doctor. Ain't no way in hell he made no goddamn diagnosis. This. This that quick. He ain't make no diagnosis that quick.

[Ocho]

Oh, Joe, you make it seem like I'm the doctor, like I'm an x.

[Uncle]

Ray talker, but I'm just saying I don't like the way Adam Schefter and I don't like the way they reporting stuff and they talk about it could be grade three and he might need surgery. He might be out. He might be out three months. Listen, it could be grade two. Grade two ain't number three. Four weeks and you back out here. It could be great. Hold on, let me finish. It could be grade one and it's day to day with today's technology, as advanced as technology is, and the treatments and the ways to get players back healthy and getting them back on the field much faster than when we were playing, we don't know. And I don't like the fact that when they make these reports, they say the worst case scenario, it ain't got to be what's what. Why you.

[Ocho]

Listen, where you got this from? Let me ask you a question, Ocho. Who reported this? Adam Schefter. Where he get this from? Ocho, tell the chat where you get this from? That it was even his toe. Where did he get this from? Ocho, hold on.

[Uncle]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Before you. Before you go on, can I say something real quick? When I saw Joe sit up on the sideline, right? I mean, on the field, when he turned over and the doctors came out and he got up, I knew his toe was hurt. Can I tell you why? When he got up to walk off, instead of walking normal, he was walking his left foot on his heel. So we didn't put no pressure on it, too. I said, you know what, man? He done me to mess with him.

[Ocho]

How we know it wasn't his arch?

[Uncle]

No, no, no. Because if it was arched, you wouldn't put no pressure on the back of your heel. You know what I'm trying to say? When you Walk like that. Don't let your foot hit the bottom. You don't let your toe hit the bottom. I said, God damn, he done dislocated or jammed his toe when he got tackled, he was, he was facing front, down, right? Whoever let whatever lineman landed on him in the back jammed the goddamn toe in the goddamn ground. So I just don't like if you're gonna report some at least.

[Ocho]

So let me ask you this. How did Adam Schefter know they were sending it to noted foot special Robert Anderson?

[Uncle]

Well, I mean, obviously they let him know that.

[Ocho]

So what else did they let. What else did. So they, they let him know that.

[Uncle]

No, no, no, no, no. Listen, they, they did not know. They did not. There's no way that doctor, that foot specialist gave a diagnosis and goddamn, five.

[Ocho]

Six hours after the game, Ocho. No, but their doctors did. And that's why they send it to noted Robert Anderson for a, a second opinion.

[Uncle]

But I, I, I. Wait, let me, let me finish, man. Let me, let me text Joe. Let me text Burrow, man. Let me text Burrow. Listen, I can get it right from the horse's mouth. Hold on, let me tell.

[Ocho]

I think the thing is, Ocho, is that, look, my brother had that injury and he had. And look, I'm gonna tell you, some guys that's had that injury, ask time. Time had that injury, and time said he was never the same. Jonathan Ogden had that injury. He retired. Jack Youngblood had that injury. He retired. My brother had that injury. He shot that toe up every week. He ended up having to put a steel plate in there so the foot wouldn't bend, the toe wouldn't be in.

[Uncle]

Because you been as much, right?

[Ocho]

And he ended up having surgery after the season, and it was about three, it was about three or four months.

[Uncle]

Okay, hold on, hold on. I'm texting, I'm texting Burrow right now. And he gonna answer me. You gonna answer me. But I see, listen, that's worst case scenario. You hear me? What you're saying, what you talk about? This is worst case scenario. And we talk about a quarterback. We talk about a quarterback. That is, he's somewhat of a dual threat. He has great, great pocket presence. He has great escapability. He's not Lamar Jackson, he's not Josh Allen, but he can move around the pocket. Now, I also want to know, and I want to add, that Joe holds onto the ball too long. You got to know when the journey's over. I didn't know when the journey's over, especially in that case, in that play right there, nobody's open. You know, it's okay to go down. It's. It's okay to take that sack and live to see another down.

[Ocho]

It's hard because he wants to make, he wants to make a play. OO it's hard.

[Uncle]

I, I, I, I, I know he wants to make a play, but again, now we back on the table getting.

[Ocho]

He's gonna be. OO he gonna be injured. You, you, you resigned to that fact. OO he's gonna be injured. OO Every other year, he's gonna be injured.

[Uncle]

But it's football. It's football. The game of football is a violent sport. Injuries happen. It's a part of the game. What you want to do is you want to minimize those injuries the best way you can. The best way you can. And I would love for Joe to say, you know what? Ain't nothing out there right now. I'm going to go down, I'm going to take this sack live to play another game. Let's get back to it.

[Ocho]

Ocho, I agree with you. I totally agree. But here's the thing with a quarterback. What does the quarterback do? He dropped back. What else do you have to do? Shift his motion. And so when you start messing with that foot now, you start messing with your mechanics.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And the one thing you don't want to do is mess with those mechanics. Because the one thing what quarterbacks try to prevent and stay out of is developing bad habits. And when you start having injuries, guess what you do, Ocho, you develop bad.

[Uncle]

Habits, bad habit to compensate for that area where it was hurt. I know what you're talking.

[Ocho]

Exactly.

[Uncle]

I know.

[Ocho]

Look, I'm not, I'm not saying look. I think you look at it like, okay, how serious is the turf toe? They seem to think it's very serious. Now, they probably X rated. Okay. Ooh. Now they'll probably go get an mri. They'll send those images. They probably got most teams. Most teams. Now stadiums are equipped with imaging.

[Uncle]

Oh, yeah, we've got that. We got it right there. Right there.

[Ocho]

Guess what?

[Uncle]

Right there.

[Ocho]

They said he got doctor. Dr. Anderson. I think if I'm not mistaken, he's in Charlotte. If I'm not mistaken, he's in Charlotte.

[Uncle]

Right.

[Ocho]

He's in Charlotte. Or is he? He might be the team doctor for the Giants. He. I think he's in Charlotte.

[Uncle]

But anyway, listen, worst case scenario, I'm optimistic. I'm optimistic. And let's say, Joe, if anything, worst case scenario. Not worst case, best Case scenario, Joe misses three, four weeks. I say he come back. Steelers, October 15th.

[Ocho]

Well, you said if he misses three or four weeks, he's not having the surgery.

[Uncle]

Nah, nah, nah, nah. Greg, listen. Worst case scenario is grade three. I need surgery. I'm out three months. But I don't have no problem with Browning coming in as my starter. I have no problem with that. Brownie, what can you do for us the next five weeks? Can you get us three? Can you get us a three and two? Can you get us the four on one? Make sure we're still in the hunt. Make sure we're still winning. Charlotte, listen, you got all the talent around you. You got. You got all the pieces. You need surgery.

[Ocho]

That's what. That's. That's. That's why I'm just talking about the turtle. My brother had that turtle injury. If you. That game that. His first playoff game, he ended up catching three touchdowns against Detroit. He had that turf toe. That's why he was running like. He was running like he had a club foot. But all he did was shoot the toe up every week and he went and played. Now, you know, I don't know if they do that anymore. Ocho. Back then, that's what we did. That's what I did. If I. Shoulder injury, I'm shooting it up. Ankle injury, I'm shooting it up. I'm playing.

[Uncle]

We gonna be all right, man.

[Ocho]

We gonna be all right. Guys. I think guys do that. Cause I had a conversation with Emmett. Emmy looked at me and said, boy, you crazy. He said, nah. He like, nah sharp. I. I ain't. I don't do them needles. I said, bro, you're seven round draft pick. If I'd have got first round money, I might have thought long and hard about doing the needle. But hey, hey, will you where your first couple years, you only made130,000. Yeah, you.

[Uncle]

Hey, hold on. Let me see, let me see. Let me see a Joe check.

[Ocho]

But y', all, I'm. I'm just so. I'm just trying to point out some guys that have had that turf toe injury. Jonathan Ogden, he was never the same. Jack Youngblood, excuse me, let me tell you, Jack Lambert had that same injury. He ended up retiring. Time. Time. I tell you, he was never the same. Yeah, he was. He was.

[Uncle]

Charles Wilson. Charles Wilson had it too. Wood had it.

[Ocho]

He was. He was never. He was never the same after that injury my brother had. Like I said, he shot it up and he played. But it's going to be very, very interesting. To see how that thing. How. How it. What? Plays out? We'll see.

[Uncle]

Man, I'm tripping, man. You got me texting this, man. It's 12:30 at night in. In Cincinnati. I forgot I'm way in Vegas, man. I'm tripping.

[Ocho]

Oh, Joe, we gonna be all right.

[Uncle]

We got Brown in that quarterback, baby.

[Ocho]

Can Jake Browning keep. Can they break Jake Browning, keep the Bengals afloat?

[Uncle]

I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. How you gonna keep him afloat. Right here, watch this. I'm gonna tell you how I'm gonna tell you. You can hear me? You can see me?

[Ocho]

Yeah, I can see you.

[Uncle]

Hey, Cat, y' all can see me. Brownie gonna come to the line like this, right? Come to the line. Boom. Safety gonna drop down in the box because Chase Brown baller right now. Chase brown balling, right? Check. Gonna come out alert, alert, alert, Check, check. They got. They got goddamn chasing Tegans man to man. Bump and run. Hey, Browning gonna hit his hip like this. That mean go touchdown. We good, we good. We good. When you. Hey, listen. When you have. When you have them kind of weapons around you at times, it doesn't matter who's at the quarterback position, okay? But Browning is capable of running the offense. We saw what he did when he came in last time. Burrow was hurt, but. But was that he was out there dishing and dealing. He was out there dishing and dealing. I'm talking like a. Like a. Like a Vegas. Like a Vegas car dealer. That's what he going to do. I'm telling you. We good. We good.

[Ocho]

Social media was not kind to Brian Thomas Jr today. They said he looked disinterested. One week after catching one pass on seven targets, Thomas had four catches on a team high 12 targets. Had a big drop on fourth down late in the fourth quarter. Ocho, I didn't get an opportunity to see this game. I was kind of going back in the box, and so, you know, I was kind of, like, all over the place. I'm trying to really focus on Dallas, and I'm trying to focus on, you know. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Not Dallas. Who was playing in that early. That early window? Dallas. Yeah. Okay. So what you thinking, Ocho? Talk to me now.

[Uncle]

Listen, it's one of those games. It's one of those games. I need to touch the ball, get me involved in the game. Brian Thomas Jr. Extreme success last year as a rookie. One of those games. He wasn't getting the target necessary. He felt like he Wasn't being part of the game. That frustration, that anger, it gets in the way of. When the ball does come your way, you get upset. Unk. It's happened to me before, too.

[Ocho]

Unk.

[Uncle]

You be wanting the ball. You get angry on the sideline. Same thing with Kelsey today. You saw Kelsey say, I'm tired of this shit. And then when the balls came your.

[Ocho]

Way, you ain't ready.

[Uncle]

Angry. Your mind. Your mind ain't clear. That's what happened. That's what happened to BT today. That's what happened to BT today. Young Bull, I know you're gonna see this lock back in. And when the opportunities come, you make the most of them. You're gonna have games like this. You're gonna have games like this. What a team is saying number seven ain't beating us. You not. You not beating us. We not letting you get the ball. So when the oppo opportunity do come and you got to make the most of them, young Bull, you gonna have games like this. I know it's frustrating. I know you want to be a part of the offense. You gonna have games like this. Get back to the drawing board. Lock in next week. Well, Trevor gonna get you the ball. Don't worry about it. It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.

[Ocho]

It's. It's.

[Uncle]

I hate games like that, though. I hate it.

[Ocho]

Oh, Joe. It always. And it happens that very way. You complain for the ball, and when they get you the ball, you. The ball. Beats you up.

[Uncle]

Beat you right up. Hey, like you ain't never caught. Like you ain't never caught the ball a day in your life, boy.

[Ocho]

So hard, man. Hey, we. We've been there. We've been there. That's why I always. I just kept my mouth shut. Just.

[Uncle]

Just.

[Ocho]

Just by. Look.

[Uncle]

Did you see our defense today?

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that. Trey Henderson, like. Like what? First half, second night.

[Uncle]

Oh, yeah. Hey, he put the nail in the coffin, but the defense in general played well today. They weren't phenomenal. They weren't great. They were exactly what I said we need to be throughout the season just good enough.

[Ocho]

Well, it had to be Ocho, because your guys were. You know, Browning threw three picks, so they had. The defense had to bow their back because he was turning the ball over left. Or he was turning the ball over.

[Uncle]

Yeah, we gonna fix that. We gonna fix that. You know why? We gonna fix it. Listen, he only gets so many reps in practice. He only gets so many reps in practice. The reps you do get Is to prepare you for game situations like this in case Burrow gets hurt. Boom. You're throwing picks. Okay, you know what? I gotta get. I gotta. I gotta get acclimated to game speed. I gotta get acclimated to tempo of the game. Being back in the offense, getting in the swing of things. It's different. One thing is one. One thing to do it in practice is a different thing to do it in the game. I got my feet wet, okay? Boom. Now, next week, I'mma dive in. I'm ready to get wet. I'm ready to get wet. Let's go. We got this. I guarantee you Joe gonna be back in four weeks. If anything, maybe five. When we play the jets of the Steelers, he'll be back. Then Brown ain't gonna get us to buy 4 and 1. 4 and 1 to 3 and 2.

[Ocho]

So at worst, no cause for concern for Brian Thomas Jr. Not a sophomore slump. Just. Oh, no, other.

[Uncle]

He. Oh, no, he good. He good. He good. That's that boy now. Yeah. Listen. Understand his DNA, understand his makeup, his skill set. The Jaguars understand what they have in Sam. He good. He good. Hey, he's an LSU Tiger, you know, he good. Hell, Malik, neighbor was mad last week the same way. The same way.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Anyway, he would piss. Look what he did today. One bad game. Hey, you good.

[Ocho]

There was a lot made of Trevor Lawrence's exchange with Liam Cohen. It was like. It seemed like Cohen would say, hit him in the chest. And Lar right, that would have looked like. I don't know. Like I said, I try. I really try not to read Lip Soo because I don't want to be. I don't want to be wrong, but I did see Trevor Lawrence do this. And I know what that mean.

[Uncle]

Right? Right? Come on, man. Go ahead with that.

[Ocho]

Either shut up or leave me alone or I ain't paying you no attention, either one. Stop it.

[Uncle]

Yeah. Damn. Hey, who the Bengals play next week, huh?

[Ocho]

I don't know. Ask who they play next. Play the bikes in Minnesota.

[Uncle]

Oh, man, we finna watch them, boy. We f to watch them. We f. We f to watch the Vikings, boy. Especially after today. Expect with the way our defense is playing. Justin Jefferson. I know you gonna see this, boy. You ain't catching Nathaniel. And we playing in Minnesota. And we playing in Minnesota.

[Ocho]

Hey, Chase had himself a day 14 for a buck 65 in a tub on 16 targets.

[Uncle]

Come on now. Come on, now. You gotta feed the beast. We talk about the greatest bangle in franchise history.

[Ocho]

Jason be getting at him.

[Uncle]

Yeah, it don't matter who the quarterback is. That's why I say we gonna be all right. T. Higgins was cutting up, too.

[Ocho]

Yeah, for a little while. Been there. Hey, I don't know what it was. Hey, look, I don't know what. What they was doing. So y'.

[Uncle]

All.

[Ocho]

Y' all just go.

[Uncle]

Let.

[Ocho]

Y' all just go. Let Chase just catch all the balls. T. Was like, if y' all double it, they'll throw me the ball.

[Uncle]

Hold on. How you gonna stop it? Because they put Chase all over the place. Oh, you want to double chase wherever you go? Well, T. Going. T. Going.

[Ocho]

Okay, I take my chance with T. Which one won the Triple Crown? Which one is this? Thought of as the best receiver in football. Who know? But let me take him away.

[Uncle]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Nickel ain't too far behind. T ain't too far behind. T could do some nice stuff, too, man. Well, we ain't gonna do that. We ain't gonna downplay one.

[Ocho]

Stop it.

[Uncle]

Receiver.

[Ocho]

T. Higgins is phenomenal. He ain't one.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

One. One has got a chance to be an all time great. That ain't it.

[Uncle]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Uncle]

I understand what you. Hey. I understand what you're saying.

[Ocho]

That's what I'm saying. Take him away and make T. Higgins. I'm gonna make T. I'm not saying T can't, but I want to see it for a game or two. I know what Chase can do.

[Uncle]

Oh, yeah? I know what T. Could do. I'm telling you what he could do. I done seen it with my own eyes. He gonna top you every time. What you talking?

[Ocho]

So in other words, he's equivalent. So in other words, what you're telling me is that T. I didn't say equ. So what are you saying?

[Uncle]

I didn't say equivalent. I didn't say equivalent.

[Ocho]

You. Yes, you did.

[Uncle]

No, I did not, Mike.

[Ocho]

I said I know what Chase can do. So you said T. Higgins can do what Chase can do. That's what you said.

[Uncle]

Oh, they two completely different skill sets. What?

[Ocho]

No.

[Uncle]

Come on, now.

[Ocho]

Even with his skill set, is it the equivalent in his own skill set, is he the equivalent of T. Higgins? I mean, of Chase? No, that's my point. I'm gonna take a guy that won the Triple Crown away and forced. No matter what you say, Higgins is the B side, just like Canelo last night was the A side and Bud was the B side. Higgins is the B side to chase.

[Uncle]

No. Receiver 1A and receiver 1B, period. And you know what? We gonna show you. I Like what you're saying, because, you know, I'm a little nervous, too. You know what? Let me. Let me. I'm a little nervous. I'm gonna tell you why I'm nervous. I'm gonna tell you why I'm nervous.

[Ocho]

Nervous about hello. What you nervous about?

[Uncle]

Because we. We playing the Vikings.

[Ocho]

You just said y' all gonna watch.

[Uncle]

Wait, I, I. No, I didn't think about it. We playing against Brian Flores defense, huh? And you know what Brian Flores do? Hey, Brian Flores has all these exotic defenses, stunts, blitzes. People come from everywhere. And it could. It can be somewhat overwhelming and confusing for a quarterback that's not used to seeing it. Brother Browning has to deal with that. If I'm Zach Taylor, I want to put brother Browning, and I got to stand up because I'm excited. If I'm Zach Taylor, I need to put brother Browning in a great situation and get him in rhythm.

[Ocho]

You got to run the ball.

[Uncle]

Run the ball. Get Chase Brown going. Get Chase Brown going. And once we get Chase going, Chase Brown going. Then we could go to the passing game. Little small stuff. Unders, slants, quick throws. Get Browning and rhythm. Boom. If we get the run game going, then we hit him with the play action like this. Boom. Chase. Tee, what we talking about? Mitchell boy, have you seen Mitchell Tinsley? You saw Mitchell Tinsley one hand catch in the end zone today?

[Ocho]

I didn't see it, but I saw the highlight. I didn't see it.

[Uncle]

Stop playing. Stop playing with the rookie, man. Man, we gonna be all right. I'm telling you. I'm telling you, man. We might go. We might put 35 on the Vikings, man. Okay, Stop playing. What?

[Ocho]

All right.

[Uncle]

Hey.

[Ocho]

All right. I will be here. So in other words, T. Higgins is the A side, along with Chase.

[Uncle]

Yeah, he been that. I told you that. I told that long time ago. There are very few teams in the NFL that have two number one receivers. The Bengals are one of them. The Eagles might be another team.

[Ocho]

I think. I think T. Higgins is phenomenal, but he not the A side.

[Uncle]

Give me another team to have two number ones, huh? Give me another team. Got two number one receivers. Come on, now.

[Ocho]

Don't do that. I guess you could say, you can say Miami with Waddle and Tyreek. Okay, you can say. You can say the round with Puka, Nakua and. And. And. And Devonte.

[Uncle]

Hey, Uncle. Cooking tonight, baby. You cooking tonight? You cooking?

[Ocho]

You cowboys. You want to say Pickens and cd.

[Uncle]

I like it. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Get some bull jive here.

[Uncle]

Hey, when we gonna talk? When we gonna talk about your Broncos?

[Ocho]

The Colts beat the Broncos 29:28. Indiana Jones had a sighting. He was 23 or 34. 316, one touchdowns, no interceptions. Jonathan Taylor, red. Wow. 25 carries, a buck 65 with a long of 68. And they win on the last. Well, he missed the field goal, but it's called leveraging. And then he got a re kick and he kicked it. The Colts are 2 and oh. For the first time since 2009, the Colts are the first team in the super bowl era to not punt in either of their first two games in a season. Daniel Jones completed 16 of 25 passes, 265 yards and a touchdown against the Broncos. Blitz, the fourth most passing yards against the five or more pass rushers in a game in the next gen stat era.

[Uncle]

You know what? Yes. If your team didn't win today, you shouldn't say foot or ball.

[Ocho]

Man, I just know we had. I thought we had.

[Uncle]

You shouldn't say football. Matter of fact, when we talk about the Colts and the Broncos, you should say nothing.

[Ocho]

Go ahead.

[Uncle]

You know you need to sit there in silence right now. I'm gonna talk about.

[Ocho]

Go ahead.

[Uncle]

Any dimes look good? Jonathan Taylor look good. Every receiver, brother Josh Downs, brother Michael Pittman Jr. Boy, I salute y' all because regardless of who's at the quarterback position, the people around him and the weapons around him are making him look phenomenal. Making the decision to start. Danny Dimes is on the onus of those around him. The supporting cast is playing well. On the Indianapolis coast are two and.

[Ocho]

Ocho dealing with the same supporting cast that was around Richardson. Jonathan Taylor was there. The only guy that's different is Tyler Warren, the first round draft pick. But Pittman was there. Pierce was there. Downs was there. Mitchell was there.

[Uncle]

Hey, hey. I know, I know. But we talk about who's at the helm right now.

[Ocho]

But you said the only reason Danny Dimes is looking good is what's around him. I'm saying Richardson had those same pieces around it.

[Uncle]

Hold on. But Danny Dimes is also contributing because he's the one that have to facilitate and deliver the ball to these young bulls. Yeah, okay, I. Danny Dimes, though, he doing his job too. I got a question. They tried to blitz him. They tried to blitz him a lot. Didn't, didn't he hurt him every time they blitzed him?

[Ocho]

Oh, he made him pay.

[Uncle]

Come on now. Yeah, every. Every time. Every time. Matter of fact, if your team did not win today, you shouldn't say foot or ball.

[Ocho]

All Right. I can't wait. The next week.

[Uncle]

Hey, hold on. Next week? Who y' all got next week? Because it might be another loss.

[Ocho]

Hey, you worry about Minnesota. Don't worry about us.

[Uncle]

Oh, no, we're gonna win that game. I already told you how it's gonna go. I already told you how it's gonna play out. Who do. Who do the Denver Broncos play next week?

[Ocho]

Oh, man, they got the Chargers in la.

[Uncle]

Oh, y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Uncle]

That game. Matter of fact, don't. Don't say for anything, start with F. Anything thought with a B. Don't even say it the rest of the show.

[Ocho]

Tyler Warren, that's the tight end from Penn State, right? Cause Chicago took love, took Loveland first. And that's why I was like. I said, look, I ain't say. I'm not saying anything. I said, I know a little something. I said, that kid Warren, that kid from Penn State, he the better.

[Uncle]

Yeah, he nice. He nice. Oh, yeah, he nice. Matter of fact, while we talk about the coach right now, hey, chat, chat, if y' all can hear me, why we talk about the coats? My favorite player in the NFL right now is Cam Bynum. Anytime he does something, you get an interception. Oh, my God. Boy, can't. I need. I got to get me a can buy them jersey. Can't buy them. Well, if you see this, I salute you. Please keep up the creativity. It's exciting for me. It's exciting. I love it. And push the envelope some more, please. Push the envelope some more, man. Salute to you, young. Bull salute.

[Ocho]

Well, look here. I mean, the Broncos, the leading tackles. Pan had 11 and Herango had 10.

[Uncle]

You know what that mean? Everybody getting past the second level. Everybody getting past the second level. If you goddamn corner in your safety got the most tackles in your safety.

[Ocho]

Yep, you right.

[Uncle]

Broncos lost and the Bengals won.

[Ocho]

Short live.

[Uncle]

Sound good?

[Ocho]

Seahawks beat the Steelers 31:17 for the first time since 2022, the Steelers have allowed more than 30 points in the first two games of a season. A massive middle last by rookie running back Caleb Johnson gifted the Seahawks a touchdown on the kickoff return. The blank. The ball glanced off his arms and rolled into the end zone. Johnson didn't even attempt to feel it, but I think now you have to feel it, right?

[Uncle]

Yeah, but.

[Ocho]

Yeah, no, no. Kick off the live, though, Ocho.

[Uncle]

Yeah. You can't. You can't let it go. I. I don't. I don't. I'm not sure why he didn't. He didn't know the rule, but yeah, he just let it go walk to the sideline. Not even realizing that's a live. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a live ball. He won't make that mistake.

[Ocho]

And it happens to the Steelers. Barry Foster did the same thing. San Francisco kicked the ball off. He let it. Yeah, he hit the ground. They got it, ran it back. You can look it up. Might have been 92.

[Uncle]

Dang.

[Ocho]

Man. Seattle players, Sam Darnold, they got 17 in the fourth. Ocho, against that defense on the road.

[Uncle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

He was 22 of 33. 295, two touchdowns, two picks. Aaron Rodgers was 18 of 33. Two touchdowns, no. 1 touchdowns, two interceptions. Mason Rudolph came in. Did Rogers get hurt? Because, like, I was, I just watching the highlights in Jigba. 8 for 103, Cooper Cup, 7 for 90.

[Uncle]

The funny thing about it is the Steelers defense wasn't playing that bad. Now, the Steelers defense, the score line the first three quarters, but they look good.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they only gave up 14 good.

[Uncle]

All of a. All of a sudden, in the fourth quarter, the goddamn damn bottom fell out. Ah, man.

[Ocho]

Rogers didn't look like he did. He didn't look like week one and week two.

[Uncle]

Week one. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're gonna.

[Ocho]

You're gonna.

[Uncle]

He's gonna have his up. He's gonna have his ups and downs.

[Ocho]

An old player, he definitely gonna have.

[Uncle]

Hey, can I.

[Ocho]

Can I.

[Uncle]

Can I ask you a question? Guess who. Guess who's number one in AFC North, y'.

[Ocho]

All. Temporarily. I told you, horse. They run fast, don't run long.

[Uncle]

Hey, I told you. I told you. Football. The AFC north is coming through the five. One, three. It's coming through Cincinnati. I told you that before the season started. I'm gonna tell you it again. Going into week three, the AFC north run through Cincinnati. And anybody in the chat that got something to say about it.

[Ocho]

Let's bet the Steelers averaged five yards per play. Ocho, they couldn't run the ball. And most of the success through the error came on very short passes. Ocho, did we make too much of week one for Aaron Rodgers?

[Uncle]

Nah, I wouldn't say we made too much of too much of week one.

[Ocho]

He played good.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And he didn't play good today. So we can say, you know what? Aaron Rodgers played unbelievable in week one. If I'm not mistaken, he. No, Josh Allen was offensive. AFC offensive player of the week, but he played really good. Four touchdowns, clean game, no turnovers. Okay, we can come back and say Rogers didn't play Good this weekend. He did last week. Don't got anything to do with this week. Yes, he played good week one. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. We don't have to say, oh, what? No, he played really good week one. He did not play really good week two. We'll evaluate what he does in week three when week three is done. They didn't look good today offensively.

[Uncle]

Nah.

[Ocho]

They got him three times. Wilson got him. Sawyer got him. No, they had two. Two sacks. So it's one and a half. Okay. Murphy, the second guy to Lou Williams and Jay Reed. I was, I was surprised, Ocho, that. That the Steelers defense gave up 17 points in the fourth quarter at home.

[Uncle]

Yeah, that bottom fell out in the first three quarters.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they, they, they, they were good. I mean, you know, you talk about 14 points, if somebody would have told you the Steelers defense gonna give up 17 in the fourth quarter, I know nobody would have taken that bet.

[Uncle]

Nah, absolutely not. But it happens and it happened.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Hey, hey, Kenneth, Kenneth Walker, the third boy, he nice.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Oh, he'd be running now 13 for a buckle five. And the Steelers don't let you run the football, so I was very surprised by that. That how. Well, the, the Seattle Seahawks ran the football on them. Charbonneau, he ran the ball, I mean, what, 15 for 10 yards? He ain't really. But they had 29 rushes, Ocho, for 117 yards and a touchdown. So. Now, I can keep you honest. I can keep you honest. You just can't pin your ears back because I crease you. But Sam Darnold, he just got it. I just don't know. Ocho, he got away with those two ints, but you got to be careful, man. You got to be careful turning that ball over, man. You pay double for those. As the season progresses and the games mean more and magnify more, like every game is important, but you know, you start playing division opponents and you start, you know, you got to be careful turning the ball over like that because.

[Uncle]

They got no, they got no points out of them. Turnover, though. The, the young Aaron Rodgers, man, he getting you 10 or 14 out of that. Easy. I'm giving you. Give me. I'm getting 10 or 14 out of that every time, and it makes a difference in the game.

[Ocho]

Oto, the Cowboys beat the Giants and OT Brandon Aubrey kicked a 64 yard field goal as time expired, and then he kicked a 46 yard field goal to win the ball game 40 to 37. CD Lamb had 112 yards on nine catches, George Pickens, five catches, 68 yards and a touchdown that put Dallas up by four with 52 seconds of regulation. But Russ came back, found Malik Navy over the top.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, my goodness. I hate when this.

[Uncle]

Hey, that. Hey, that was. That was a great game. That Cowboys, Giants game. Might. Might have been. Might have been the best game of the day.

[Ocho]

What? No question about it was the best game of the day.

[Uncle]

Oh, that. They was nice. They were going back and forth.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Giants defense let him down.

[Uncle]

Yeah. I mean, listen, it. The Giants defense played well most of the day outside that. That one play. What? Stretch left and he bounced.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you got it wrapped up. And you. And you let. Yeah, you let Javonte. I mean, it's third and 14, and you let him pick up. Yeah, you can't do that. You got it wrapped up. You got him stopped at the line, and somehow you let him. You let him out.

[Uncle]

Damn, that was a good game, though.

[Ocho]

Oh, it was a very good game.

[Uncle]

As a. As a Giants fan, you got to be optimistic. The way they look today, especially with Russ at the helm, it didn't look as bad as they did previous week. And Malik Neighbors doing what he got to do. I just. The running game. Running game was decent.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Average, basically four yards a carry. You can live with that. The thing is, Ocho, is that the. The turnover. And I know you guys, he had.

[Uncle]

The prayer, he had the pressure.

[Ocho]

That's not for you, Ocho. You can't throw. You can't get thrown down the middle of the field. Oh, no.

[Uncle]

He was trying to throw to the corner, but he got hit, man.

[Ocho]

I mean, he had. He had an outstanding day. He was dealing 30 of 41, 453 touchdowns. That was 30 of 38 of 52. 361. Two touchdowns, one interception. A lot of offense, a lot of, you know, 500 yards from the Giants, almost 500 yards for the Cowboys, but it just moments. It come down to making plays. I mean, Malik Neighbors, nine for a buck 67. Two tubs. Wondell Robinson, eight for buck 42. One tub. Darius Slayton, two for 61. I mean, guys are playing well. CeeDee Lamb, nine for a buck 12. Jake Ferguson, nine for 78. George Pickens, five for 68. Kevonte Turpin, four for 47. Man, if they let another defender cross their face, I mean, offend Ocho.

[Uncle]

On what route? What route?

[Ocho]

You don't let nobody inside of you on the goal line. That's the easiest throw. Yeah, I mean, dude, I'm like Dude, I was like. I was like, I just want to be. I just want to be a fly on the wall. Cause I would love to hear what the coordinator and the position coach are teaching these guys because it seemed like they just let guys just willy nilly just go cross their face. I'm not letting you cross my face. It's just like an offensive player, Ocho, you never let a defensive player cross your face. So as a defender, the offensive player not let try to let you cross his face. As a defender, why would you let the offensive player cross your face? I don't know. I don't know, Ocho. But give the Cowboys credit because these are games that we've seen the Cowboys fade in. Do you have the lead, Ocho? And then, and then guess what? And in three plays, they're back in the end zone and they got the lead. But you have to give Aubrey credit. 64 yards, Ocho. That ball look like it had been good from 74.

[Uncle]

It is. He said, he said, he said. Obviously, Aubrey having a soccer background as well, it's one thing to be able to kick far, but to be able to kick far and be accurate is issue. That's the problem because the further out you go with the goal post being as narrow as they are is being accurate from that far out and being able to control the trajectory of the ball and where you want it to go. And he's really, really good at that. And I know because he has a soccer background, he's that much more confident in doing so.

[Ocho]

Well. I'm pretty sure all these guys got soccer backgrounds. They're no more straight on kickers anymore. They used to be, you know, the soccer, you know, the straight on, the square, the, the, the square toe guys. I mean, I don't think I've seen. Who was that? The last guy was probably Mark Mosley, but he was. He was gone before. I don't think I was in the league when I got there.

[Uncle]

He. Right.

[Ocho]

I think he retired. I don't think I played against Mosley. I don't. But he's the only kicker to win the MVP. 1982, if I'm not mistaken. Kicker won the MVP of the NFL. Ocho.

[Uncle]

Yeah. Dang.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but I like this. Like I said, Ocho, this is the type of game that the Cowboys would normally lose, have a lead and then give it up late in the ball game. And then Dak would either fumble it or strip sack or something like that. Dak did a heck of a job of getting out of harm's way too, because they had him sacked one time and he got up out of there. But you see, Jerry said they after the game that they signed your Damian Clowney after you see Russell Wilson go for 450 yards on you. Yeah, you better go get somebody.

[Uncle]

You need some pressure.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And Aubrey, like I said, and the thing is, Ocho, he just. He kicks so effortless and the ball just jumps off his foot. I mean, he don't try to kill it. I mean, it's the same swing. Whether he's kicking a pat or he's kicking the ball 60 plus yards. It's the same. It's the same. It's the same motion. It's the same rhythm. And it was. It was unbelievable. The Cowboys who. The Cowboys play next one and one. The Giants fall to zero and two. The Giants welcome in Kansas City on Sunday night, don't they?

[Uncle]

Oh, that's gonna be a good one. Wait, what are they playing at Kansas City or in New York? Oh, that's gonna be a good one. That's gonna be a good one.

[Ocho]

Kansas City Cowboys play the Bears in Chicago or Dallas? Oh, ain't much going on there. Ocho first drive. Giant left tackle James Hudson. 15 yard penalty, 5 yard false start. 15 yard penalty, 5yard false start. Hudson was benched the following drive and got into it on the sideline with Brian Dabal. We just saw last week, Malik neighbors, bro, I just want you to know, what do you want them to do on the first possession of the game? You give up 15 yards, 20 yards, 35 yards, 40 yards in penalties. Yeah, so I just try to figure out. I've been trying to figure out, what does he want? What does he want the coaches to do?

[Uncle]

I don't think he understands that that affects the game in the long run. It affects the game in the long run. Every play counts. Every play matters. It. Even in the beginning of the game. You don't know what could have happened on that first drive if he didn't kill it. That's. That's all. That's all. I don't. I don't. I don't think players understand. Every play counts. Every single one. Now that there might be one or two that change the game itself. And in that first drive, one of those plays that would have changed that game. It could have been right there where you keep jumping off sides or you having. You. You costing your team. You costing your team. Why you getting into it with the coach? Yeah, we got. We got to bench you. They did that in little League, huh? When you mess up consistently over and over, you got to go sit down. You costing us.

[Ocho]

Because at the end of the day, you either coach it or you condoning it. Now which one is it, Ocho? Are you coaching this type of behavior? Are you condoning this type of behavior when either case you're wrong? And I wish this young, I wish this. And like I said, Ocho, sometimes you're so close to a situation, you don't see it or you don't understand it. But I hope he got an opportunity to sit back and look at his actions. And sometimes it becomes when you become, you can become reflective, when you can reflect like, damn, that wasn't the coach fault. That's on me. It's on me. It's on me. Guys, I'm sorry. He should apologize to the team. The question that I have is that I've seen back to back weeks. I've seen people blowing up at the coach. That's not a good sign, Ocho.

[Uncle]

No, not. Not at all. Not at all.

[Ocho]

Because I'm telling you what, I'm gonna tell you what. The people upstairs that paid that paid day ball, is he losing his team? Does he have control of this team? Can he coach this team? Those are the questions that they're asking, right? But I don't look at. Like I said, I hadn't had a whole lot of head coaches, Ocho, but I don't remember. I don't remember about doing that to Dan Reeves. I don't remember anybody doing that. Mike Shanahan, I don't remember that. Doing that to Wade Phillips. I just. Like Brian, I. I don't know. I don't know. Like, you know what? I guess this to be expected. I'm old school. I've been. I'm so far removed for it. I removed from it. I guess this is the modern day behavior. This is how guys, instead of accepting accountability that, you know what? I messed up, I got the holding call, I got the false start. It's somebody else's fault. I guess that's where we are right now. So I guess this is why I couldn't coach. I couldn't. I could.

[Uncle]

Yeah, I listen, it's a different era of football. It's a different era of player in general. The money is different that they are making. Oh, the funny thing about it, it's okay to make. Yes. Things are going to happen. The point of practicing is to practice to get it perfect and do it as many times as you can the right way. Our mistake can happen, yes. But for them to Happen back to back to back to back, and you cost your team. Affecting your team. Now, you. You got to sit down. You. You gotta sit down. So I'm not. I'm. I'm not even sure how you even argue the fact, but, I mean, I. I don't know. I don't know. That was a left tackle. Yeah, that's the money position. So, yeah, I don't.

[Ocho]

I don't. Like I said, I don't know. Now, is that guys, Like I said, Ocho, you know, in. In today's the way it is now, but I think, guys, look, in this situation, I just don't know. You know, and I understand that Brian Dava is going to catch Flack because he's the head coach and he kind of bowled up. But where are the leaders? Where are your offensive leaders? Where your leaders of the team?

[Uncle]

Brian. Brian Burns. But they. They was, they. They was. Oh, they was right on the sideline.

[Ocho]

Russ Wilson, Jameis James. You just cost us 100 yards impurities. And so what, you want us to just leave you in there and just let you just keep going? They might have put him back in the game, but I can't after this kind of behavior, which I can't. I can't because the one thing I refuse to do is to talk, is to reinforce negative behavior. If your child acts up and you give them ice cream or cookie, what will they continue to do? You reinforcing negative behavior. I'll never reinforce negative behavior. I refuse to.

[Uncle]

I don't think he understands how important he is, too. But you might be the most important offensive player for the offense to even go, to even be able to execute plays. Boy, you got Russell Wilson blindside. What are you doing? And if you can't take accountability for going off sides and having holding penalties, man, go sit your ass down somewhere, man. You costing.

[Ocho]

He got an unnecessary roughness penalty. Then he got a false start penalty. Then he got another unnecessary roughness penalty. And then he got a five yard. Then he got another false start. No, he did that and then he got mad.

[Uncle]

Hey, come on, come on. Sit over here with me real quick. Come on, come on. Think about this real quick. Get your mind together. Get your mind together and we'll put you back in. But now you want to boyfriend the head coach after you messing up. You costing us, man. Sit your ass down, man. But you know what? You can't. You can't. You can't sit him down too long because obviously he's your starting left tackle. He just started left tackle. For a reason. And your star left tackle is really the money position, so you're paying him whatever you're paying him, so you ain't got no choice but to play.

[Ocho]

Sometimes, Ocho, you have to discipline a player.

[Uncle]

Huh?

[Ocho]

Because other players are watching, and if, and, and, and, and, and you don't want the other players to think that's acceptable. Yeah, I've always, I've always tried to, like, when I played Ocho, I've always tried to, like, stay within myself. Yeah. There were times I was seething. Absolutely.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

But I know, I know, I know guys are watching me, and I know one day I'm going to move on and I'm not going to be there, and they're going to be in my position where they're going to be one of the better players. And I never wanted players to think that was okay.

[Uncle]

Right.

[Ocho]

There's a time and a place for everything.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

The quarterback messed up. Yeah. Guys wrong, ran wrong routes. Just pull them to the side. And we didn't have nearly the cameras that they got now, Ocho, you can't do nothing. You can't say. I mean, even you talking to somebody, I wonder what they're saying. I want that. What they're talking. Or you might have somebody got the boom, got the, got the, the, the, the, the mic, the big round bubble and picking up all the audio because think about you. Because you heard what Chris Jones said that's on the field, Ocho, and they picked that up. So I just, I, I, I, I just, I just, I just hate this for the young man. Hopefully he gets an opportunity to get home and, and, and on, on the plane ride home. If it didn't dawn on him, Ocho, when he was on the sideline, hopefully, on that long plane ride home to New York, he's sitting there and he's having a conversation with himself like, you know what? I need to be better. I need to handle my emotions better so I don't put my team in harm's way. Because at the end of the day, when you play a team sport, your behavior is reflective on the team. It ain't just you.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

John McEnroe can blow up and get all he want to, but guess what, Ocho, he's playing singles. A golfer can get mad and break his club. That's your club. Hell, that's one less club in your bag.

[Uncle]

Yeah. And I know one thing is to blow up like that, understanding that you're not even, you're not even the starter. Huh? He not even A starter, and I'm surprised somebody ain't say. And see what you're doing right now. The mistakes you making right now is why you're not the starting left tackle anyway, which is why you're coming off the bench. And the only reason you in the game is because the start is injured, hurt.

[Ocho]

I'm not sure what's wrong with Andrew Thomas. But here's the thing, though.

[Uncle]

Now you see why. That's what I. If I was the ball, I would have told him. Now you see why your ass ain't starting.

[Ocho]

You better be careful because you're not starting. That type of behavior get you cut.

[Uncle]

Hey, they. They show. They should. They show you that. That, though. Faster. Faster than you could. All right.

[Ocho]

Andrew. Andrew Thomas is out with Liz Frank. It. Do they expect him. They expect him back at some point, right? Because he had it last year. He didn't just do it.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So he's. He's trying to come back. And that's. That's. That's a tough injury for a tackle because, you know, everything. Everything's on your toes, Ocho. You got to push off your toes. You got a kick.

[Uncle]

Yeah, everything.

[Ocho]

So.

[Uncle]

Everything.

[Ocho]

I. I hate that. Like I said, I don't know Brian Day ball for I don't know Brian Daybaugh from a can of paint. I just know what higher up thinks when they see this type of behavior and they see it reoccurring.

[Uncle]

Yeah. Well, the hard part is, is the season's already started, so there's really nobody else to bring in, and you have to rely on him no matter.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. For sure.

[Uncle]

Because anybody. Any. Anybody that's available, they available for a reason. Yeah. But, hey, you see my view? Hey, you see what's over my shoulder? You know what that is right there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Jerry announced after the game the Cowboys have signed edge, rusher, Jadavian, Clowney, Ocho. How much would that help the defense? They did sack Russ three times today. Who got him? Clark. Kenny Clark got him once. Houston got him once. Damn. What other side come from? Am I. Am I blind or something? I see Kenny Clark got one. Hudson got. Houston got one, but they said he got three sacks. What other one? Who got other sack? Ash, Am I missing something? Maybe my eyes are bad. I just. Baby. Baby.

[Uncle]

Hey. But the addition to Javion.

[Ocho]

Jadavian.

[Uncle]

Jadavian. It's gonna be good. He destructive. He has a motor. He gonna get after the quarterback. He's. He's okay against the run. They're going to be all right. They're going to be all right. Any help they can get defensively is going to be good. It's going to be really good because they going to need it. They going to need it.

[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

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[Uncle]

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[Uncle]

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[Uncle]

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