BEST OF NFL Week 4 Part 1: A. J. Brown's SELFISH Issues, Micah’s Return, more!

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Best of NFL Week 4, Part 1 – Detailed Summary

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Host: Uncle Nightcap (Shannon Sharpe)
Co-Host: Ocho (Chad "OchoCinco" Johnson)
Date: October 1, 2025
Episode Theme:
A lively, candid breakdown of the most pivotal and entertaining NFL Week 4 matchups, with deep dives into explosive offenses, defensive collapses, star performances (and “selfish” issues), debates around top teams and players, and honest, humorous takes on league controversies.

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Main Theme Overview

This episode offers a fast-moving, highly engaging recap and analysis of NFL Week 4. Shannon Sharpe (“Uncle Nightcap”) and Chad Johnson (“Ocho”) dissect offense-heavy shootouts, dissect team decisions, spotlight emerging and under-appreciated players, and debate burning questions like A.J. Brown’s role/frustrations, Lamar Jackson’s struggles, defense woes, and controversy around turf injuries. The duo’s trademark blend of expertise, banter, and storytelling shines, making it a must-listen for both hardcore and casual fans.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Packers vs. Cowboys – A 40-40 Offensive Shootout (02:44–18:43)

• Game Recap: No defense, just offensive fireworks. Both Jordan Love (Packers) and Dak Prescott (Cowboys) post huge numbers with zero turnovers.
  • Jordan Love: 31/43, 337 yds, 3 TDs
  • Dak Prescott: 31/43, 319 yds, 3 TDs
• Running Game: Green Bay outruns Dallas (35 carries, 164 yds vs. 26 for 117).
• Romeo Doubs’ Emergence:
  • “Romeo Dubs showed out tonight and played one hell of a game.” – Ocho [04:13]
• Clock Management & Late-Game Decisions:
  • Head-scratching pass attempts in crunch time almost doomed Green Bay.
  • “Why would you attempt to pass in that situation?” – Uncle Nightcap [08:56]
• Defensive Disasters:
  • “As far as defense goes, it was a no show tonight. Both sides of the ball.” – Ocho [11:21]
  • Eberflus (Cowboys DC) slammed for passive calls, relying on just 4-man rush and soft zones.
  • “You ain’t gonna be in the league long, bro … can't let a tight end beat you on a slant at the goal line.” – Uncle Nightcap [08:29]
• On Ties:
  • “Ties are like kissing a beautiful woman through a screen. Ain’t really nothing going on.” – Uncle Nightcap [11:31]

Wide Receiver Performances and Paydays (12:48–16:36)

• George Pickens Delivers: 8 catches, 134 yds, 2 TDs – justifying his contract demands.
• Praise for Cowboys’ supporting cast: Tolbert, Turpin, and Floyd step up with CeeDee Lamb out.
  • “This is when you get opportunities right, in this moment. This is where you show coach: man, we can count on him.” – Uncle Nightcap [12:49]

Rams vs. Colts – Sensational Offense & Puka’s Meteoric Rise (27:43–32:17)

• Stafford’s Big Day: 29/41, 375 yds, 3 TDs.
• Puka Nacua Historic Start:
  • 13 catches, 170 yds, 1 TD (15 targets) – league lead in receptions/yards.
  • “He gonna mess around, go get 150, 160 [catches].” – Uncle Nightcap [30:45]
  • “Puka Nakua is in the mix … there ain’t a whole lot of other receivers I’m taking in front of him. Because he’s physical. He does the nasty work.” – Uncle Nightcap [32:16]
• Colts Show Resilience: Despite mistakes, put up a fight, tracing big plays negated by penalties or errors.

A.J. Brown’s Frustration and “Selfish” Issues (58:01–63:52)

• Lopsided Eagles Offense: Huge contracts for WRs (A.J. Brown $32M, Devonta Smith $27M), but combine for just 4 catches, 36 yds.
  • “A.J. Brown, top-5 receiver in the NFL, today has seven yards in a four quarter game. Seven! That’s pathetic … you don’t have your number one receiver that you paid $33M with seven yards in a four-quarter game.” – Ocho [63:16]
• Brown’s Social Media—Feeling Excluded:
  • “If you’re not welcomed, not listened to, quietly withdraw. Don’t make a scene, shrug your shoulders and be on your way.” – Uncle Nightcap quoting Brown [59:23]
  • “He wants to contribute and help to win those games.” – Ocho [59:36]
• Fans and Stats: Players want to help—but it’s not about stats for fans when team wins. But contracts are tied to production.
  • “They’re gonna use this against him…they’re gonna say, ‘we can win without you making that kind of money.’ It’s gonna backfire!” – Ocho [61:49]

Ravens Implosion vs. Chiefs – Lamar in Trouble? (42:43–55:11)

• Ravens Trounced by Chiefs: 37-20 loss; Jackson leaves with hamstring, team falls to 1-3.
• Defensive Collapse: Can’t stop run or pass; Spagnuolo dials up unstoppable pressure.
• Lamar vs. Joe Burrow Double Standard:
  • Ocho pushes Shannon to be as critical of Lamar as he is of Burrow when they lose and turn the ball over.
  • Debate over whether Ravens should be held to Chiefs’ standard, whether Lamar’s turnovers are being underplayed: “At what point do we say, Lamar, you got to stop turning the ball over?” – Uncle Nightcap [54:15]
• Long-Term View: Despite defensive woes, offense allows hope—especially not facing Chiefs every week.
  • “As bad as their defense is…as long as you have number eight, you’re always in contention.” – Ocho [53:07]

Steelers’ Defensive Domination in Ireland (33:21–37:41)

• Steelers vs. Vikings: 24-21 in Ireland. Steelers record 6 sacks, 10 TFL.
• T.J. Watt Milestone: Joins seven players w/ 100+ sacks and 8+ INTs—all others are Hall of Famers.
• Justin Jefferson Still Shines: 10 catches, 126 yds.
• Offense, Gutsy Defensive Plays: DK Metcalf, Aaron Rodgers looked sharp; highlight on lopsided speed matchups and effort plays.

Turf Injury Debate & MetLife’s “Curse” (66:21–72:46)

• Malik Nabers’ ACL at MetLife fuels player-surveyed demand for grass fields.
• Ocho scoffs at “turf blame”: “Ain’t got nothing to do with no goddamn turf. If something’s gonna pull, it’s gonna pop.” [66:03]
• Uncle Nightcap counters with research/statistics, safety logic—sparks debate on science, NFL hypocrisy, longevity.
  • “If you know more, you should do more.” – Uncle Nightcap [68:46]

Giants vs. Chargers – Rookie QB Wins, But at What Cost? (74:21–78:16)

• Jackson Dart Debuts with Win: 13/20, 111 yds, 1 TD. “He looked good. Moment wasn’t too big for him.” – Uncle Nightcap [74:47]
• Malik Nabers lost to injury (suspected ACL).
• Defense Carries Giants: Thibodeaux, Burns, Sexy Dex—all over Herbert, who faces constant pressure.
• Chargers OL Issues: Joe Alt injury compounds protection woes.

Jaguars Upset 49ers, Coaching Feud Explodes (79:40–83:39)

• Jags Win 26-20: Parker Washington’s punt return, 4 takeaways. Armstead key strip-sack.
• Coaches Almost Come to Blows: Robert Saleh accuses Jags of sign-stealing; tempers flare postgame.
• Brock Purdy Good, Not Great: 309 yds, 2 TD, 2 INT. Christian McCaffrey limited on ground.

Travis Hunter’s NFL Usage – Dual Threat or Dulled Hype? (82:12–93:24)

• Only Plays Offense in Second Half: “You want to be elite at one thing or average at two things? Cause right now he’s average at both.” – Uncle Nightcap [82:43]
• Ocho pushes for bigger role, frustrated by slow integration. “I understand his skill set. I just want more. We’re in week four, I’m not getting what I thought I would get.” – Ocho [92:17]
• Both agree: needs time, but NFL is a different beast—spoiled by college exploits.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Ties are like kissing a beautiful woman through a screen. Ain’t really nothing going on.” – Uncle Nightcap [11:31]
• “Romeo Dubs showed out tonight and played one hell of a game.” – Ocho [04:13]
• “You ain’t gonna be in the league long, bro, that can’t happen!” – Uncle Nightcap, on corners letting TEs beat them [08:29]
• “All things being equal, I’d rather be 1-2-1 than 1-3.” – Uncle Nightcap [11:47]
• “He wants to contribute and be productive and help the offense. Yes, we’re winning the games, but I would like to help us win.” – Ocho, on A.J. Brown [59:36]
• “I guarantee you, they’re gonna use this against him…they’re gonna say, ‘We can win without you making that kind of money.’ It’s gonna backfire!” – Ocho [61:49]
• “We criticize Josh Allen for playing great, but he had turnovers…at what point do we say, Lamar, you got to stop turning the ball over?” – Uncle Nightcap [54:15]
• “If you know more, you should do more…and I think there’s a reason why.” – Uncle Nightcap, on science-backed safety changes [68:46]
• “You want to be elite at one thing or average at two things? Cause right now, he’s average at both.” – Uncle Nightcap (on Travis Hunter) [82:43]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Packers–Cowboys Shootout: 02:44–18:43
• Receiver Contributions & Contracts: 12:48–16:36
• Rams–Colts and Puka Nacua: 27:43–32:17
• A.J. Brown, Eagles Drama: 58:01–63:52
• Ravens-Chiefs, Lamar’s Issues: 42:43–55:11
• Steelers’ Defensive Day: 33:21–37:41
• Turf Injury Debate: 66:21–72:46
• Giants–Chargers, Rookie QB: 74:21–78:16
• Jaguars–Niners, Coaching Drama: 79:40–83:39
• Travis Hunter’s NFL Start: 82:12–93:24

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Tone & Style

The episode is vibrant, honest, irreverent, and full of inside knowledge and elite football IQ. Sharpe and Ocho call out coaches, players, and even each other, swapping between laughter, light roasting, and genuine critique. The language is direct, colorful—never sanitized, always engaging.

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This summary provides a comprehensive, listener-friendly recap—moment-by-moment, with player takes, heated debates, and all the cultural flavor that makes Club Shay Shay a unique sports podcast.

Transcript

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[Uncle Nightcap]

Hello, it's your favorite sports funk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're going to make OO cry. Well, guys, we didn't get much defense tonight. Oo we had a very entertaining game. If you like offense, if you like points, this was the game for your liking. Both quarterbacks played outstanding. Jordan Love, 31 of 43, 337 passing yards, three touchdowns, clean game, zero interceptions, one sack. Dak Prescott, 30 or 43 19, three touchdowns, no interceptions, one sack. Clean game. Green Bay rushed the ball 35 times for a buck 64. The Cowboys rushed the ball 26 times for a buck 17. If you like, if you like offense, yeah, this was the game for you. If you wanted to see some defense, I'm sorry, you'll have to wait the next week. Very interesting ball game. I don't really have a lot to complain about. Yeah. Only thing I will question. Ocho.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Matt LaFleur right before the half. Oh, the last two possessions before the. Before the half, Ocho, you struggled offensively. Now if you reverse it, you struggle your first two drives. Now the last three drives, you do what you did. I agree with him going for it. But after you struggle, you don't do that. Yeah, but other than that, I got no qualms of what happened tonight. What'd you like about what you saw and what you didn't like?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hey, honestly, when the game started, it was a doozy. I thought it was going to be boring. I thought it was going to be a blowout. Uncle was 12 2. I think we have 12, 13 too. Yeah, I mean, something like that. I'm like, well, listen, when the packers got the ball again on their third offensive series, I said, if they go up again and get the, get the 20, I'm going to bed and take me a nap. Because there's no way, I'm being honest, there's no way the Cowboys are going to be able to come back. Especially I think with the first quarter. They had what, 60 yards of offense, something like that. But obviously it turned out to be a very good game, a very entertaining game from the end of the second quarter on into the third and fourth. And listen, Romeo Dobbs, he had his coming out party tonight. He had. If we didn't know who was receiver number one was for the. The packers, we know now. Romeo Dubs showed out tonight and played one hell of a game. Deck Dick Press. God damn, why am I talking so fast? Dak Prescott played a phenomenal game. George Pickens, George Pickens looked very good tonight. Made some really Clutch plays.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yep.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Some dope stuff. Showing what he can do with the ball if you put it in his hands. He doesn't always have to be a deep ball. He has that ability to have that, that yak as well. Outside of that, man, they ran the. Both teams ran the ball well. They were, they were well balanced with the run and the pass and I enjoyed it. I hope Josh Jacobs was okay, though. I hope he's okay.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah. I hope you guys took my little, My little thing I did today. You see what I did? You know, I told Michael gonna get a sack. I said Indiana Jones wasn't gonna throw for two touchdowns. What?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

What?

[Uncle Nightcap]

Mother pick. Yeah. Jayla Hurst gonna have more than a yard. I knew that. You know?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Easy. That was the only thing. Oh, I agree with you. I mean, look, Cowboys. I mean, both teams. You laughed at me when I said, oo. I'm not so sure. I mean, I, I like the addition for the. Michael going to the Packers.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But I, I asked, I said oo Are you sure they're better than the Rams? Yeah, they better than the Rams. They are. You. I'm g. Ask you again. Oo. Are you sure?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. You. I don't remember you asking me about them being better than Rams.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yes. Because I say I would say the Eagles and I say I would put the Rams in front of the packers and you said no, no, no. And so I asked again. I'm going to ask you one more time, Right.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I'm gonna give you this. Now, if we, if we doing a comparison. Now, offensively, it's, It's a toss up. You can go either way. Now if we're gonna, if we're gonna go from a defensive standpoint, you gotta.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Go from a team standpoint.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Well, then I would go with the ramp because defensively they're a little better.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Okay.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

That was a little better.

[Uncle Nightcap]

If they've been together, it's going to take Michael some time to get worked in.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah. I mean, I'm looking at both defenses.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

If I'm defensive coordinator, I will watch the tape, but I'm not going to show it to the team because what am I going to show? I mean, really, what am I going to show? I let the guy go 31, 43, 337, three touchdowns, zero interceptions. I let the other guy go 31, 43, 19, three touchdowns, zero interceptions.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

What am I showing?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I'm trying, I'm looking at, I'm looking at Hobbs. I think he's number 21 for the Packers. Oh, he damn near backpedal at the end zone. You do realize if you allow the guy to catch the ball in the end zone and you tackle him, it's still a touchdown. Yeah, bro. How far are you going to back up? Yeah, you can't. You can't keep backing up. You're in the ojo. You got. He has to understand where he is on the field, right? You take two steps, that's it. I'm not backing up anymore. Now you got to come through me.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

If anything, you shouldn't move at all.

[Uncle Nightcap]

If I'm putting heels on the go. No, I'm not giving that up. Because he had just got out flanked because they ran a switch and he had outside leverage, and they got him on the outside. So I said, okay, fine, you had outside leverage. I give him that. But you can't let a tight end run no bull that bull job slant route, and you keep backing up and you a corner. Corners that let tight. If that's. If that's. Kiddo, if that's one of these upper echelons. And I'm not saying I like Ferguson. I've liked him since he's gotten there. But corners, you let tight ends beat you on. Slant rise at the goal line.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

You ain't gonna be in the league long, bro, that. You be bouncing around. That can't happen. That can't happen. But other than that, Ocho, like I said, I don't know where we go. I mean, I love Jordan. Boy, he cut that thing. Raise a face, Ocho. What the hell was he thinking? You just. You just kicked that last play at.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

The end of the game.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yes.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

That clock management almost hurt him now. They almost lost that game based on the clock management. He was trying to get everybody to the line. Obviously, it worked out.

[Uncle Nightcap]

All you do. Why would you attempt to pass in that situation?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

And what happened if they had scored that touchdown, huh? Then what?

[Uncle Nightcap]

What happened if they got that pick? Then what?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Okay, listen, that's a chance because at.

[Uncle Nightcap]

That point in time, they was already playing for the field goal.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I mean, listen, look, I'm taking as much time off the clock as I possibly can because, look, Cowboys had their possession. We've got our possession, right? We don't want to give them the ball back with any time on the clock. Okay, I get all of that. Yeah, but he has to be smarter. You see the coach late, like, bro, what you doing?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, I mean, I. I think he was trying to. Trying to play. I'm trying to play hero ball. We Know if we get a field goal, the game ends in a tie. I'm going to take one more shot and try to leave a second, maybe two on the clock and see if we can kick a field go to win it.

[Uncle Nightcap]

If I didn't know better, I swear that guy had some ties to Green Bay. That clock guy, that boy, that was the longest. Like.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hey.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I mean, you know, let's see. Jordan Love lost the fumble. So 11 tackles. Quay walker. I just. Ocho, honestly, I just don't know.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Cause Eber Flutes, the defensive coordinator for the Cowboys, he doesn't like to bring pressure. And I just don't know if how. I don't know how you survive in today's game if you let the guy just sit back there and pat the ball.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

And this, this is the funny thing. They playing. They, they, they. They got four. They only bring in four. They not blitzing nobody. They playing zone. And when you play a team like the packers and you run that zone and not get no pressure, it just stretches everything out. Defensively, it stretches everything out. And the holes is big as hell.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yep.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

And all the players got to do, you can go right down the field and just pick them apart. Jordan Love can be surgical, which he was tonight. He was surgical because you're not getting enough pressure to get goddamn Jordan Love off his spot. Rushing, throws, or whatever you need to do to throw the time into that offense off. And that's what happened. Somebody got to add some pressure. I was hoping Jadevion Clowney made some type of impact tonight. He really wasn't as effective as you like him to be. But listen, it was a great game. If you like offense, if you like points, as far as defenses go, as far as defense goes, it was a no show tonight. Both sides of the ball.

[Uncle Nightcap]

This is the best. I mean, look, the Cowboys could ill afford to lose this game. I mean, ties and look, ties like kissing a beautiful woman through a screen.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

There ain't really nothing going on. No, Joe, you can just say that was a beautiful woman on the other side. But did you really touch it? If that. Is he real or was that AI?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

No moral victories no more.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah. So in a situation, it's not a loss. So all things being equal.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I'd rather be one, two and one.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

As opposed to one in three.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Let's be. Let's be real and we'll see where it comes down. Hey. That time might come in and it might help you down the road, but you couldn't. You couldn't. You Couldn't go down. You couldn't be one and three and the Eagles are four and oh, the Eagles are four and oh, hey, I.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Can'T wait till we get to that game, but go ahead. God damn.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But you know, look, the cowboy George Pickens showed why Tobert made a heck of a play. I thought that he was trying to throw the ball out.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I thought he was trying to throw the ball away, too.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yep, yep. And somehow Tobert came down with it. Turpin made a couple of plays. Yeah, I mean, look, they got guys. Lano, he stepped up and made some plays. I mean, the guys stepped up and made plays for the Cowboys tonight. And that's what they needed offensively. They needed guys to step up with being out. They needed everybody to step up. George Pickens, you're. You need you.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Show us why you want 30 plus million dollars a year to be for a receiver. Show us why he showed you eight for a buck 34. Two touchdowns on 11 targets. Jalen Tobert was a high draft pick. He got some opportunities in situations like this. Oh, this is when you get opportunities right in this moment. This is where you show coke, man, they. We can count on him. Yeah, they. I believe they always thought they knew they could count on George Pickens because of what he's did in Pittsburgh. He just needed a change of scenery. He needed to clear the deck, go someplace, get a fresh start, start all over again. But these other guys, you see Tobert, you see Turpin, you see Floyd, those guys stepping up and making plays. Yeah, me, the only thing I say with Green Bay, get Golden more involved. He got too much speed not to be involved. Ocho, he got too much. He got too much speed. Ocho.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hey, uncle, you got to understand, right, if as fast as he is, as dynamic as he is with speed like that, if they felt comfortable putting them in more in positions to make more plays, he would. They would have him doing them. There. There. There is something. When you have a player like that, with that kind of speed, you use them. So obviously there might be things that we don't know about that we can see where they feel, okay, he's not really good at this. So we're going to have him in certain situations doing some of the things that we know he's good at.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Right.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Because Romeo Dubs looks like the guy I thought Golden. Golden came in to be the number one guy. But. Yeah, well, 87 ain't giving up that spot.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But if you look at Ocho, they really only threw the ball to Go. Only threw the ball to Dobbs up around the goal line. He had three touchdowns and then he caught that one with Bland. Kind of like he reached with the wrong hand.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But other than that, they really didn't give him a whole lot of balls in the field of play. Most of it like he had what, three or four catches right there around, right around the goal line. He made the most of those and that's what you want. Like, hey, all things being equal, hey, give me the tubs. But I think if they can get golden involved, I think he's going to make this offense even more dynamic because he got speed to burn. I was surprised they didn't call that PI, because nine times out of ten, o' Joe, on Bland on that, on that rail, that shot on the rail.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

They call that on the left side towards the end of the game.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yes, they call that.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I would hate, I would hate for the refs to be the reason on changing the outcome of the game, let the players play. That was like a, eh, it was.

[Uncle Nightcap]

You know, I gave you the watch, they gonna come out and say that should have been a flag. They go, you think so? But that don't do me no good.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right, right, right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I would prefer you not even tell me because now I'm gonna be mad.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

If, if, if you, if you lost the game, if you lost the game, then it's okay. But the fact that the game ended in the tie. Yes, I'm glad they did, they didn't call it because I hate when the rest get in the way of changing the outcome of game instead of just letting the players play.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah, but I thought Jordan Love, I mean he made a couple of plays like, okay, but other than that, I can't be mad at him. I really can't because I mean he's only in his fifth year and he's still. There's some things that he can clean up. But on that fourth down when he threw that ball to Golden. Yeah, he has a mustard on that.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Oh yeah, he did.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah, he had some steam on it.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, he did.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But I thought he played really, really well. I thought Jacobs ran the ball hard. He started making people miss on a couple of those runs. I was like, damn, somebody gonna need some ankle, some ankle transplants. Cuz he tearing people's ankles up left and right. Yeah, he was Javante Williams. Now you see him another year removed from that ACL surgery. He's starting to look like that Carolina Javonte Williams dragging people, making people miss.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hey, he was Toting that rock boy. I mean, I don't. I don't see any signs of him having an ACL injury based on his performance and the way he ran the ball tonight.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yes.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Being able to. Being able to cut and jump, stop and all that and coming to balance and exploding. I'm like, well, God damn. What?

[Uncle Nightcap]

I think Ocho had the game not gotten so, you know, they could have ran him more.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But they fell behind and so, you know, we want to get catch up. Yeah. But I think. You know what? I think blocking that pat Ocho gave them a life because they were a different team after they blocked that pat than before because Green Bay was kind of having their way with them.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

And then they blocked that pat and got a jolt of life, and the next thing you know, they're right back in the ball game. Give the Cowboys a lot of credit. Like I said, I don't think they. I don't think, you know, look, this only four games into the season, but the likelihood of you getting to the destination that you want to end up at and you start one and three isn't very good. It's not likely. One, two, and one. It still gives you a chance because you still get the Eagles. You still got two games against the Giants, you got two games against the Commanders, and. And you have another game against the Eagles, and you have your out of conference, your out of conference, your out of division games. So we'll see how that shapes out. Offensively, I think they're good. My concerns is defense. Oh, I just don't know if giving up 40 points. Ojo at home. You giving up 40 points at home?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, they gave. They gave up 40 also. Cowboy gave up 40 that first round of the playoffs. Remember, a few years ago now?

[Uncle Nightcap]

Oh, yeah, when he gave up 40. I think they gave up 48 then.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

But. But this is the thing. This is the good side of things. Not only are you missing CD Lamb and everyone else stepping up and trying to make up for the production that CD Lamb would have had, but they also scored. Okay, you gave up 40, but you're scoring 40. So offensively, you're playing extremely well. And the defensive side of the ball just has to find a way to catch up, find a way to catch up, find a way to get one or two stops in those four quarters that would have made a difference in the game.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Ocho. But can't.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Can't.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I mean, there. There haven't been very many defenses that you can just say, hey, go hunt with four and they go attack the quarterback.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

It's been very few. Now it's been done. Yeah, but it's been very few times. The Eagles last year could get home with four and they would play coverage. Fangio does not like to sacrifice that back end. And he had those big hogs and they could, they could collapse the pocket inside with Davis and Carter and then those edge guys were screaming off the edge and they would rotate them and they had eight. They could go eight deep and they just go, just go, go, go, go. But the cow. I don't see that with the Cowboys. I'm not seeing that. Sam Williams came back. He looked good. They had a few guys that, that, that, that flashed. Yeah, but I think in order to. For the Cowboys to play this style of defense.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Boy, you asking awful lot you, man, you asking an awful lot for your secondary, man, because like you said, they're expanding to an area. Well, I'm just gonna go, go sit down in there where you vacated every.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Time and that for that folk got to get it. But this is, this is the thing. You got to understand. You have to have the personnel to be able to do it. He's not blitzing for a reason. Yeah, because he doesn't want, he doesn't want to expose the back end. Hell, you're only missing four in the back end. Still exposed.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Thank you.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

You're only bringing four. I mean, excuse me.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah, it's. But that's his style of play. If you look at him when he was a. He was the head coach of. When he was at Indy.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

What'd he do? That's the style of play.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

You go watch him when he was in Chicago. He's the head coach. Look at his style now. You look at him. This is who he is.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, same way.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Now, on the flip side, you go look at Kansas City. Anytime Kansas City. When he gets threatened, what are you going to do? He'll hit you. He'll heat you up.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I'm coming to get you.

[Uncle Nightcap]

You come, you get down to his area.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I'm coming to get you.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I'm get you.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, that's not. Hey, but, but. And honest and honestly, this would make Spags defense so good.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yes.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

He has the personnel to be able to do and execute exactly what he needs you to do. The game they had. We'll get to that. I don't want to go too much.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Into it, but the 40 point tie, I mean, I mean, I'm trying to think, have I ever tied this? No, I never, I've never Tied a game. So I don't know how I would feel. I just know. I. Look, it's kind of like playing cards, you know what I'm saying, Ocho? It's like. And you get a push. I didn't sit down at the blackjack table to push blackjack. I sat down to win.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

So I guess. I guess it's like pushing, you know what I'm saying? Hey, I didn't lose no money, but I didn't win money. I didn't sit down there to say, okay, yeah, push, push. No, bro, I'm trying to win something. But I guess in this situation, I don't know how to feel. I've never been in this situation before. Have you ever had a tie game in your career?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. But listen, if I played for the Cowboys, if I played for the Packers, I would feel good. You didn't lose, huh? Yeah, I feel good. I didn't lose. I'd be upset we didn't win the game. But we have some great things we have to be build off of. Defensively, we need to work Offensively, they should. They could take the day off. Offense, y' all could take Monday and Tuesday off. Defense, we'll see y' all here in the film room. Monday, Monday night. Matter of fact, even on Tuesday, on your off day. Tuesday, bring your ass in here again.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah, they who? But that game did some numbers. Oh, yeah, I can imagine this is probably going to be the highest rated Sunday night game they've had in quite some time.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Maybe about 20, 28, 29 million. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Cowboys. It's a close game. Yeah, it was back and forth in the fourth quarter. It goes into overtime. So. Yeah, it peaked. I. I'll agree with you, ocho. I'll say 28.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, probably. I like it.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But the Green Bay packers and the Dallas Cowboys, they needed what, 70 minutes and they still couldn't determine the winner. They have a tie. 40, 40. Jordan Love was 31 of 43. 337 and three touchdowns, no interceptions. Dak Prince got 31 of 43, 19, three touchdowns, no interceptions. I mean, you look at it, 500 yards for the. About almost 500 yards of offense for the Packers. Yeah, a little over 400 for the Cowboys, but they played to a 40, 40 tie. And onward and upward. Matthew Stafford found tutu at will. Wide open.

[Matt Jones / Drew Franklin / Daniel Jeremiah / Bucky Brooks / Michael F. Florio / Dan / Ty]

Hey, this is Matt Jones, I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining and twice a week. That is exactly what you're going to get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game.

[Uncle Nightcap]

What was that?

[Matt Jones / Drew Franklin / Daniel Jeremiah / Bucky Brooks / Michael F. Florio / Dan / Ty]

Looks like something that should not be sold.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Oh, my.

[Matt Jones / Drew Franklin / Daniel Jeremiah / Bucky Brooks / Michael F. Florio / Dan / Ty]

So that was my other big Colts takeaway. They sold that. Yes. Might want to go back to the drawing board at the Colts stadium.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah, I might want to go back.

[Matt Jones / Drew Franklin / Daniel Jeremiah / Bucky Brooks / Michael F. Florio / Dan / Ty]

To the drawing board on that.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones / Drew Franklin / Daniel Jeremiah / Bucky Brooks / Michael F. Florio / Dan / Ty]

I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well. It's worked for generations. We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is spry. I wouldn't fight him.

[Uncle Nightcap]

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[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

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[Uncle Nightcap]

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[Uncle Nightcap]

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[Uncle Nightcap]

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[Uncle Nightcap]

Go ahead. Touchdown pass with less than two minutes remaining to send the Rams to a 20272720 win over the Colts at so far the Colts made so many mistakes Ocho. One play before the go ahead touchdown, the colts only had 10 men on the field. Then they had a holding penalty negated a 58 or 53 yard touchdown run by Jonathan Taylor. And also they had a 76 yard touchdown reception that turned into a touchback. AD Mitchell fumble the ball as he crossed the goal line. So look, it's no consolation. Yeah, but you know, if I mean I'm looking at the game like, bro, we gave up a touchdown with 10 players on the field. We had a holding penalty and they get a touchdown. We had another touchdown, bro. The Colts are Colts are better than we think. Yeah, I mean that's the, that's the only way I look at it. Ocho. The coast are better than we thought.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Wait, did you see that, that 53 yard run by Jonathan Taylor? They got called back, man. Boy, buddy is Nice boy.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

He is the real deal.

[Uncle Nightcap]

We didn't talk about him last year, Ocho, because Saquon and Derrick Henry, they.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

They was.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But. Yeah, but if you go back and look at his numbers, he's a pro. He a Pro Bowl, He a Pro Bowler. He's been an All Pro. There's a reason. Matthew Stafford was 29 of 41. 375, three touchdowns, zero picks.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Roll off them. Puka Nakua numbers real quick.

[Uncle Nightcap]

A Puka had 13 catches for a buck 70, a touchdown on 15 targets. Tutu had one for 88 on two targets. Devonte Adams four for 56, a touchdown on six targets.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I mean, 13 for 170. They won the game. A.J. brown one for seven yards.

[Uncle Nightcap]

They said, look, we won the game. Puka had 13 for 170. Now what? @ the end of the day, what did Philly and the Rams both do.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

When.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I get it? Hey, you preaching to the choir. I absolutely 1000% understand AJ's frustration, but I'm just telling you, you're not going to convince the. Because the fans want to win. They're not concerned about A.J. brown stat. You know that. I know that. And the team's not concerned.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah. All right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

They not.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, you right. Hey, hey, hey. Gillette, get out of here.

[Uncle Nightcap]

The colts. Puka had 13 for a buck 70, further leading his lead NFL league in both categories. Hey, he gonna mess around. Hey, how many catches he got now?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

40, 42.

[Uncle Nightcap]

He must ride. He might. Yeah, he must ride and go get 150, 160.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, how many is it? How many you got? 42, right? Yeah, yeah, something like that.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I was gonna go to touchdown to title score today. He became the second player in NFL history to have 40 receptions for 500 yards in his team's first four games.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Dog, dog, that's crazy. Do you hear what you just said? 40 receptions in four games.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Mm.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

My God.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Bro, all they did is do what they did. You remember when Cooper cup had that historic season? Yeah, insert Puka Nakua.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Exactly. Yeah. Same. Same place, same everything. Oh, that's crazy.

[Uncle Nightcap]

And he has somebody on the other side that can open it up because remember when they brought Odell in there?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Odell was still could make you pay if you singing him. Devonte can make you pay. So he gets.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

He made him pay last week. He made him pay the week before that. And they made sure this game. Okay. Devonte going crazy right now. Let's get our young bull back where he's supposed to be. It's funny. It's funny how that works. You see how they can make a. A constant effort to get who they want the ball.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah. And I think the thing is, Ocho, is that when we start talking about all these receivers, we leave Puka out of the equation. Puka McDukua is in the mix.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Oh, yeah, he is.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Now, I'm not saying I'm taking him over Jetta or Chase, but there ain't a whole lot of other receivers I'm taking in front of him. Because he's physical. Yeah, he does it. See, I like guys do nasty work. Everybody. Everybody want to catch the gold ball. Everybody want to catch the polls and catch the 9 route, but what about them? What about the guy that's gonna catch that under. What about the guy that's gonna catch that three slips, three steps, three step slant. What about the guy that's gonna catch. Hey. Gonna catch that bubble screen or that jailbreak that's gonna get tattooed?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, he do it all now.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Hey, that we can run the jet suite with.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Mm.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Hey, y' all better start getting pooking. Giving Pookie his credit. I know. Hey, I. I know it's. He's not conventional. He don't look like the guys that we think are the best, Right?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Well, he. He in the com.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But. But, hey, he don't. He done earned the stripes. Now, he came in as a rookie and did what he did, and he backed it up, and he's backing it up again.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

And they're gonna have to back the truck up.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Oh, yes.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Oh. The first game of the day, the Steelers beat the Minnesota Vikings over in Ireland by the score of 2421. The Steelers defense put together his best showing of the season, collected six sacks, 10 tackles for loss against Carson Wentz. With the third interception, T.J. watt became one of seven players with at least 100 sacks and eight career interceptions. The other six are in the hall of Fame. LT Richard Dent, Chris Dolman, rest his soul. Jason Taylor's pep, Julius Peppers and Ricky Jack. That's some. Some very, very elite company that Mr. Watt finds himself in.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Absolutely. Well, you see a. You see Aaron Rodgers and goddamn DK today.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I did.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Oh, it's funny. I got a boy dk. Hey, that goddamn. That look, that skinny post. And he threw that thing right off the ear.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yep.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

And that safety took a bad angle, man. DK said, man, stop playing with me, man. I'm catch you in the end zone, homie. I'm okay. Listen, they look really good today. It Was a good. It was a good game. But the Steelers look very good today. And I think there's only one quarterback that could have made the Steelers look the way they look today based on the throws that he threw today, and that was Aaron Rodgers. But Aaron Rodgers was out there scrambling, huh?

[Uncle Nightcap]

He took 18 or 22 for 200 yards and a touchdown and no interceptions.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

He played a clean game.

[Uncle Nightcap]

He did, man.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

What?

[Uncle Nightcap]

He ran the ball 29 times. Now I do question. Why would you go for it on fourth down instead of kicking the field goal? But other than that, I thought they played really well. Yeah. Justin Jetta. 10 catches for a buck. 26 on 11 targets.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Joe Addison, four for one. Four for 114 on eight targets, bro. Addison need his butt kick. Did you see that guy? That linebacker went and got him.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Oh yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. He retired.

[Uncle Nightcap]

That's a linebacker.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Oo, he just got back, huh?

[Uncle Nightcap]

I don't give a He just got back unless he was tied up, had his legs tied in the basement. Ain't no linebacker supposed to want a wide receiver down.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

You do understand? Listen or Addison ain't nothing but four. Four. These linebackers that they run 4445.

[Uncle Nightcap]

So they, they run by the ain't catching four.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hey, when that monkey jump on your back in the middle of the game, were you not as fresh as you are when it start that monkey go.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Hey, that monkey heavy, Ocho. That man, it wasn't no angle. He went and got it.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, that's that lactic acid bill up now.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Ain't nothing gonna build up that you. Hey, you got to be usain boat to come get me with a lead like that. You ain't come to get me as a wide receiver. And that's a linebacker, Ocho. Dk. The Steelers enter Sunday averaging the fewest air yards per attempt. But they lead the league in yards. After the catch in the early second quarter, Rogers hit DK on a slant. DK took truck one final defender getting into the end zone, a 80 yard touchdown. What did he have? DK had five for Buck 26. One touchdown on five targets. Eighty yards gain. Well, six for 35. But Gainwell had 19 carries, 99 yards and two touchdowns. So they had 29 rush attempts, one hundred and thirty one yards and two touchdowns. Yeah, went 30 for 46. 352 touchdowns, two interceptions, six sacks. They pressured him. They hounded him all day.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

He was on him.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Redmond had two sacks. They did. I mean consider they had all those sacks hold that. No, I'm looking at the wrong thing. Look at the wrong thing. Hebrick had one and a half. Benton had one and a half. Elliot had one, Queen had one. TJ TJ Watt had one. Queen had three tackles for losses. Wilson had two tackle for losses. TJ Hebrink had a tackle for loss. I think Ramsay left this game with an injury, didn't he?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hamstring. Hey, he.

[Uncle Nightcap]

He pretended like he had one and got one for real, and then really.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Got one for real.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Steelers look good. Steelers look good. Minnesota got 15 in the. In the. Maybe could have done something if, if, if. That's magnificent science. They get that ball in, maybe they have an extra 30, 40 seconds to play with and they don't have to rush, but we'll never know. But give the Steelers credit. They bowed their back. They did what they needed to do. They found a way to win this ball game, and they did. By the score of 24, 21 to win the first game played in Ireland.

[Matt Jones / Drew Franklin / Daniel Jeremiah / Bucky Brooks / Michael F. Florio / Dan / Ty]

Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're gonna get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game.

[Uncle Nightcap]

What was that?

[Matt Jones / Drew Franklin / Daniel Jeremiah / Bucky Brooks / Michael F. Florio / Dan / Ty]

Looks like something that should not be sold.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Oh, my.

[Matt Jones / Drew Franklin / Daniel Jeremiah / Bucky Brooks / Michael F. Florio / Dan / Ty]

So that was my other big Colts takeaway. They sold that. Yes. Might wanna go back to the Colts stadium. Yeah, I might wanna go back to the drawing board on that.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones / Drew Franklin / Daniel Jeremiah / Bucky Brooks / Michael F. Florio / Dan / Ty]

I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well. It's worked for generations. We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is spry. I wouldn't fight him.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I would listen to NFL Cover Zero.

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[Uncle Nightcap]

Foreign.

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[Uncle Nightcap]

League year after year.

[Matt Jones / Drew Franklin / Daniel Jeremiah / Bucky Brooks / Michael F. Florio / Dan / Ty]

Whether you're a die hard fan or just love understanding the game on a deeper level, we give you the full picture. If you want insight that goes beyond the box score, this podcast is for you. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello and we're the Solid Verbal College Football Podcast. College football season is here and you know what that means. Your team is going to break your heart three times, probably before Halloween.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Uh huh.

[Matt Jones / Drew Franklin / Daniel Jeremiah / Bucky Brooks / Michael F. Florio / Dan / Ty]

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[Uncle Nightcap]

Ocho. Yo, game. You just alluded to Lamar Jackson leaves the Ravens.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Oh, yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Before you even start, before you even start, now, what I'm gonna need you to do, I don't want to hear you say foot or ball. You've been talking about the Ravens is your team, and I told you was only there for two weeks, but you eluded and wanted to be adamant about the Ravens being your team. I need you to keep that same energy that you have for Joe Burrow. When things aren't going well with Joe, especially last year, keep that same energy for eight for that Pompano legend with the day performance. Now, I'm gonna let you go, and at any point, I feel you, you shucking and jiving. I'm gonna interrupt, but go ahead, go ahead.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Keep that your day coming tomorrow around this time. I just want you to know your day coming. Don't worry.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hey, hey, listen, you're going to be real sad if you go. If you go over two, you got one team lost today.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah. It won't be two. It won't be two.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

All right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Lamar Jackson leaves the Ravens in a 37:20 loss to the Chiefs with hamstring issues. Baltimore is now one and three for the first time since 2015. Yeah, and two games behind the Steelers and the AFC North. Ocho, how much trouble are the Ravens and Lamar Jackson in as we currently speak?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Boy, them boys in hella trouble. You hear me? They in hella trouble. They in a lot of trouble, for one. I'm not even going to talk about the injuries first. I just want to talk about the defense. They can't stop nobody. They can't stop the run, they can't stop the pass. They can't stop Nathaniel nothing outside of that. The good thing for the Baltimore Ravens, you're not facing the Kansas City Chiefs every week. So offensively, you're probably gonna be very good against everybody else. With spags dialed up today. Pressure, pressure, pressure. We're not gonna let him. We're not gonna allow Lamar to sit back there and have his way. Not only that, when he does drop back, when he is in the shotgun, we gonna have a spy. Matter of fact, we gonna blitz and have a spine, because I trust my back end to be able to handle their business and doing what they need to do. And it worked. Numbers. It was phenomenal, the game plan. That spag came in with defensively worked phenomenal.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I'm trying to figure out what Baltimore. Look, Spags has a history. If he feels threatened, he's going to blitz you.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

You get down to his territory, he's going to blitz you.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Huh?

[Uncle Nightcap]

You know this. It seemed like the Ravens. Everybody knows this except the Ravens. Now they really.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

They had no answer.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Ocho, it has been a while. They did not. They did not. That offensive line, Ronnie Staley went out and so now you got to back up in at the most important position, at the left tackle. Your right guard isn't playing up this enough. And so now you're weakening two areas.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

You really couldn't get into your run game. Look, they had 166 yards on 17 carries, but 71 of that came when the game was out of reach. Justice. Justice. Hill cracked off one, but you able to neutralize Derek Henry. He only had eight carries for 42 yards. Yeah, he's not that kind of back that can give you that kind of. Now he's more like. As he gets going now, he can pop off one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he pop up with.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

But this is what you. This is what you see from the chief defense. Goddamn Super Bowl. We thinking Saquan gonna have a day. What said? Oh, no, no, no, no. If anybody gonna beat us, it ain't gonna be 26.

[Uncle Nightcap]

You gotta beat him. Throw the ball.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Well, hell, if you're coming into a game like this like, like, like today, what's the first thing you say? Well, we taking two people out. We taking two. We not, we taking two, but we knock two birds with one stone. We gonna spy Lamar Jackson on pass downs and blitz at the same time. And anything with Derrick Henry, we got to see you, we got to have that. You won't be breaking off nothing. Hey, man and boy were laying that wood out there today.

[Uncle Nightcap]

What if you go back and look at how teams have beaten the Chiefs in the postseason? Throw the ball. First time they lost with Patrick Mahomes as the quarterback. What did Tom Brady do? Go back and look at Tom Brady numbers. Yeah, you go back and look at Joe Burrow. They threw the ball. Yeah, you go back and look. You look at Tampa in the Super Bowl. They threw the ball. You've got to be able to throw the ball because Spags, you got to take something away.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

What he wants to take away, he wants to make you one dimensional so that way he can just focus on stopping the pass.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Let you run it. Now he can't focus on what he needs to focus on. Your quarterback has to be up to par, and he has to beat you throwing the football, and you can't turn it over. Can't turn it over. You gotta. You gotta protect. You gotta protect the ball against bags if you want to beat it.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Lamar was 14 to 21, 47, one touchdown, one interceptions. He fumbled one. Got a little. Got a little. Got hit from the back. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. I need the same energy you have for Joe Burrow.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Joe Burrow ain't played. I'm not. No, no, no.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

When Joe. When we lose, you have all this energy, and Joe should have did this, and Joe can't turn the ball over, and Joe can't do that. I need you to have the same energy you have for Joe, for Lamar.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Okay.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Okay.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Lamar.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

That's my dog, right? Did he take himself out the game today or was he hurt?

[Uncle Nightcap]

He was hamstring. It was reported that he has a hamstring injury.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Well, I need. I need you to be very critical of your team. That's your team, right?

[Uncle Nightcap]

That's one of my teams.

[Matt Jones / Drew Franklin / Daniel Jeremiah / Bucky Brooks / Michael F. Florio / Dan / Ty]

Yes.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I'm trying to make sure.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I'm.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I'm. The energy. The energy is not adding up, based on the way you were talking yesterday.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Okay, hold on. Did you. Hold on. Did you expect the Ravens to beat Kansas City?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

And.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Kansas City. Oh, so.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Oh, is that what we doing? Is that what we're doing?

[Uncle Nightcap]

I'm just asking.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

So we saying that the Ravens can't. They can't win on the road? Is that what you're telling me?

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah, they can.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Are you making excuses?

[Uncle Nightcap]

No.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

The Chiefs are 1 and 3.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Huh?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

The Chiefs are 1 and 3 and.

[Uncle Nightcap]

And the Ravens. And the Ravens are 1 and 6 now against the Chiefs.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hold on, hold on. Let me finish. Line. Let me finish. Let me cook. Lamar Jackson.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yes.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, and he's still.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yes, yes.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I expect Lamar Jackson and that defense that once was feared at one point to go in there and be able to beat the goddamn Chiefs. Yes, I do. They got Lamar Jackson and they got Derrick Henry. I expected.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Think about it. So last year, they had Lamar. They had Lamar Jackson and when he was an mvp. And the defense was better than that.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

And Baltimore and Kansas City came into their building in the AFC Championship game. What happened? Because what we have seen is that what happened today, Ocho, Lamar turned the ball over twice.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah. Okay.

[Uncle Nightcap]

You're not. You're not gonna beat.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

You heard what you just. I need you. That's. I need you to say that. I need you to say it. I need you to say it. Huh?

[Uncle Nightcap]

We're both breaking out of games. You can say no, no, no, no, no, no. People want me to let you talk, so I was trying to let you talk. Hold on.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I need you to do eight like you do Joe. You be. You be real hyped. You be real enthusiastic. He'd be real passionate about. The reason we lost is because Joe turned the ball over. He needs to do more.

[Uncle Nightcap]

No. Well, you. You lost for two. The same reason. The same reason the. The. The Bengals lose is the same reason the Ravens lose is because Lamar turned the ball over and the defense up.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Okay, Okay. I just. Okay. I just want to hear it out your mouth. That's.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But you. But you know, I'm not. Breaking news. Excuse me. Let me interrupt your normally scheduled program and break this news. Hey, you want me to give you an Amber alert? The Baltimore Ravens defense isn't very good. Yeah, we haven't seen Patrick Mahomes look like this in a very long time, all season. Also, I don't know if we've seen him look like. Like 25 or 37. 274 touchdowns are clean. When was the last time we saw him throw for four touchdowns? We haven't seen this. This Patrick Mahomes in an extremely long time. And he looked very, very comfortable. They ran the ball. They did. They did a worthy Pacheco. Ran hard. Kareem Hunt came, and he got some big time. Hold on.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Talk about. Talk about Taekwond now.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Hey, let me tell y' all something. I don't know if y' all noticed this, but if you want to have a good game, y' all come on and talk to Uncle Nightcap.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Everybody that comes on the show, for some reason, they go crazy.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Melissa Jefferson, they go crazy. Taekwond Rashawn Gary, going crazy. Henley. Hey, I'm just saying tell you.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hey, a matter of fact, all the Ravens fans out there, man. Hey, make sure y' all check on butter. Make sure Butter straight. Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I mean, thank Ocho. I mean, the Chiefs hadn't scored 35. What was the last time Chief scored 35 points? You probably got to go back all the way back to absolutely 30, 23. I don't think they've scored 30.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Speaking. Speaking of 30 and 35 points, last year when the Chiefs were playing games, the games they're losing this year, those are the games that they won. They losing the close games. They losing all the close games. This is the first time the Chiefs have looked like the Chiefs of old in a very long time.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Very long time. Yes, because they were all in one score game. Remember Ocho, One score game. A field goal. Yeah. They win by one, they win by two, they win by three, they win by four. There were all these one score games. Game. This is the first time that they've won by. I mean, a comfortable margin.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

So the last time they scored more than 30 was against the Raiders in November of 23. So almost two years.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Damn.

[Uncle Nightcap]

That's what. That's what the Ravens defense have allowed Kansas City to do.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

So in almost two years since they scored more than 30, they just go in there and. And made it look easy.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah. Well, hey, this is the funny thing. I know, I know. I'm. I know I'm being funny about the Ravens. You know, I love my Bengals, but the Ravens are going to be okay. As bad as their defense is, their identity is not their defense. Their identity is their offense. As long as you have number eight, it's no different than when we talk about the Buffalo Bills. It's no different than we talk about the Bengals. Obviously, Joe Burrow is out, but as long as you have eight, you're going to always be in contention. I don't care if you one and three. I don't care if you one and four. Their team is so good offensively and can score 30, can score 40, can put up 28 a game. It's just you're playing. You're not playing against the Kansas City Chiefs every day. You're not playing against Spags or a defense like that every single day. Other teams you're going to play aren't going to have the personnel to say, we going to blitz and have a goddamn spot. That's not that. That. That's not the makeup of other teams. So that's how I know the Ravens are going to be okay. But right now they're down in the dumps. And matter of fact, they. They. Fans so fickle. Huh? The fan throwing jerseys all in the trash. They. They making fun of Lamar to about, you know, Lamar's like. I'm like, come on, man, let's.

[Uncle Nightcap]

This is what we do. The very thing we. That we criticize Josh Allen for. Yeah, playing great, but he had turnovers and he couldn't overcome them. His defense. And we blamed everybody. At what point in time did we say, lamar, you got to stop turning the ball over? We did this for Josh Allen for years. Because Josh Allen would play great. He would throw an interception in the end zone.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

He would fumble the ball trying to do too much. Go back and look at Lamar in the games that he lost.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Especially big, big games. Look at his turnovers.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Look at Kansas City in the championship. Look at Buffalo today. One pick, one fumble. When your defense is as inept as it is, the last thing you want to do is put them back on the field. I want to IO, I want them to play as little as possible.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

That's the thing. What the Cowboys are up against, as good as the Cowboys office is, unfortunately, you got to play. You got to put your defense back on the field. And I want them to play as little as possible. So guess what happens. I turn the ball over. I break. Joe Burrow knows about this. I turn the ball over. I got to put the team, the unit that I least want to be on the field. Right back on the field.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Now, I don't know what's going to happen. I don't. Look, I don't advocate anything, but I just think the thing is that I don't know what Zach Orr is calling. I don't know what's going on.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is what we will not do.

[Uncle Nightcap]

What?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

We will not blame the defensive coordinator for the woes and the struggles of the defense. Because them boys, they got back there, Wiggins, Marlon Humphrey, Kyle Hamilton, who they just paid $237 trillion. No, y' all got to get it done. A woie. Whatever the coach.

[Uncle Nightcap]

A woozy.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

A woozy. Whatever. Whatever the coach called you got.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Hold on. That's the woozier from the Cowboys. He played with Cincinnati. What is Cincinnati? That's. That's automatic. They call him first down cuz you throw the ball on him. It's a first down. That what they call it. Hey, he's on the Ravens now, but he was with Cincinnati. Wasn't he with the Cowboys also? Yeah, yeah, yeah. On first down. Yeah. You're like, yeah, I know. First down.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

That's his nickname. You call him first down.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Throw it on him. First down. Or so Philly survives in Tampa. 31:25. The buck got into the affiliates 24:3 lead thanks to a large part to touchdown passes of 77 and 72 yards by Baker Mayfield, making the two longest plays against the Eagles defense since Vic Fangio became D coordinator. Jalen Hurts had zero passing yards in the second half before becoming the first quarterback to win a game with eight or more passing attempts and zero passing yards and a second half since Panthers quarterback Jake Delone. In Week 10 of the 2008 season at Oakland, he was 0 of 9 for 0 yards. There's only been two quarterbacks in league history that have wins in such games since at least 1991.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah. Hey, we. We can't do this. Huh? We can't do that. We can't do that. You. You can't. Listen, you. You, you. You do me a favor?

[Uncle Nightcap]

What?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Asks. How much does Devonte Smith make and how much does AJ Brown make?

[Uncle Nightcap]

Well, we know how much Devonte Smith make.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

What is it?

[Uncle Nightcap]

AJ makes 30. 30 what? 32 million. 32. 32 or 33 million. And I think Devonte makes like 27. 26. 27.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Okay. You got a 33 million dollars receiver. You got a 27 million dollar receiver. And they combined for four catches for 36 yards a day. But you got to win. You got to win. You got the win.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yep.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Now as. As it's not even the quarterback fault. It ain't even we not even blame it to hurts fault. As a offensive coordinator, as an offense, as a head coach, how can you even be okay, Even be okay just because you're winning the game and not having some of your best players involved? Do you understand what that does to players mentally? I don't think fans understand.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I don't think they don't care.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

They win the first thing fans say, well, we won the game. Yes, we won the game. But these players would love to contribute and help to win those said games.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah. Did you, did we, did you pull up A.J. brown's tweet?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

The cryptic tweet? Oh, man.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Listen, it's clear it wasn't no cryptic tweet. This is what he tweeted out the game. If you're not welcomed, not listened to, quietly withdraw. Don't make a scene, shrug your shoulders and be on your way.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

The man just want. The man has said it over and over. Huh? He keeps saying the same thing over and over. He had to go through it last year. He had to read his book on the sideline to keep himself calm so he doesn't get frustrated. He wears that seal in his chest so he has to conduct himself a certain way. The man wants to contribute and be productive and help the offense. Yes, we're winning the games, but I would like to help us win. You're paying me 33 goddamn million dollars for a reason. Not only am I the number one receiver, I'm the captain of the team. Allow me to feel a part of the offense, Puka Nakua caught a high 13 catches a day for 170 yards.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

You mean to tell me you can design plays, put goddamn AJ Brown, devontae Smith and create a positions to get them the ball?

[Uncle Nightcap]

You're never going to create a scenario where the fans feel sorry for AJ Brown as long as you win it. Because everybody says. They say the most important thing is the winning. I don't care about stats. I care about winning. Well, you're winning.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

You know they care about stats.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I know they do, but I know.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

They care about stats. We care about stats for a reason. Because we go to the table. It's the only thing we have to lean on. It's the only thing we as players have to lean on. Well, listen, I deserve this amount of money because look at my production, look at my numbers. We allow stuff like this to happen. And you don't speak out about it as a receiver because you're winning when it's time to go to the table. You can't mention nothing about them wins if you don't have the production to match it. You can't say, oh, when I'm on the field, we winning. Where's the production? You're not helping us win. That's the game that they gonna play. The people on the outside watching that love the game. They don't understand that. I'm telling you. And it's gonna happen. I guarantee you. I swear for God, I'm telling you. They're gonna use this against him. We're winning, but your production doesn't match your salary. You're really not. You're not worth $32 million. Because we're winning without you. We can win without you making that kind of money. And it's gonna backfire.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I think the thing that's frustrating to him is that so many balls sail out of bounds and you don't even have a chance to catch.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Chance to get them. Yeah. Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

That's what's frustrating though, Joe. At least give me a chance. Yeah. Okay. We're gonna make it 50. 50. That's 100. No chance of a completion with him.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

It's 80, 20. So you put the ball in play with A.J. brown. It's 80, 20. He's coming down with that. He's coming down with that. Just put it in the vicinity. Just put it in the area. I got you. He showed that last week. They had no choice but to throw. He put it in the area. What he did, came down with it.

[Uncle Nightcap]

They dodged a bullet today. They got a Block punt. And Baker made a terrible, I mean, he made a horrible decision on the interception. They, they, they dodged a bullet. Give them credit. They find ways to win. Good football teams find ways to win. Bad football teams find ways to lose. Yes, there's a good football team and they're finding ways to win. And I get it, I get it. I, I get AJ's frustration. We've all been there. Well, most of us has been there. Everybody. Jerry ain't never been there. Jerry, though. Jerry don't know what it's like. Larry Fitzgerald, some of these guys don't know what it's like to go and have two catches and things like that.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

So he had seven yards. A.J. brown, top five receiver in the NFL today, has seven yards in a four quarter game. Seven. That's pathetic. This ain't high school. This ain't peewee. I don't give a if you did win, you don't have your number one receiver that you paid $33 million with seven yards in a four quarter game.

[Uncle Nightcap]

It's tough.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

A.J.

[Matt Jones / Drew Franklin / Daniel Jeremiah / Bucky Brooks / Michael F. Florio / Dan / Ty]

Brown.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hold your head, boy. Hold tight. Hold tight. You got that C on your chest for a reason?

[Uncle Nightcap]

Nah, just click your account and just make sure that money deposited.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Nah, it ain't about the money. Ain't about the money. I want to help my team win. I want to be a part of the offense.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Well, keep blocking. That's all, that's all I can tell it right now. O Joe.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hey, just, come on, man.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Just. Ocho just went out when maybe this week will be a situation where it was last week. Remember how he came on in the second half and he took the game over against the Rams? Yeah, maybe that, maybe that rears its head this week. So the Giants earned their first win of the season, beating the charges 21 18. Rookie quarterback Jackson Dart in his first career start completed 13 of 20 passes, 111 yards. A touchdown is no interception. But the Giants lost Malik Neighbors in the second quarter to what is believed to be an ACL injury. Excuse me, Odell Beckham tweeted after the neighbor's injury. Dear NFL, I mean this with the utmost love and respect. We the NFL take all precautions in the world with everything else when it comes to players health and safety. Please, please, please get rid of this turf. Thank you in advance. Love, respect and you know I love the Giants, but death, life has taken too many talented players away from the game. I know it's not all turfball, but maybe it's where we've got to go. We've gotten all research Done to turf state. It's the highest quality as possible. At least we can start that discussion. Oh, Joe, we Looking at from 20 to 20, 25, there have been at least 16 documented ACL and Achilles injuries at MetLife Stadium. Aaron Rodgers, Achilles, Jalen Phillips, Achilles, Nick Bosa, ACL, Malik, neighbors, suspected ACL. What you thinking? Don't yo, nothing.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Nothing at all. I played on that same turf. I played in that same turf out there in goddamn Cincinnati. I played in the same turf for 11 goddamn years. Ain't got nothing to do with no goddamn turf if it was grass. If something's gonna pull, if something's gonna pop, it's gonna pop regardless of what the surface is that's below you. It doesn't matter. It had nothing to do. I mean, we got to get that out our mind. We got to get that out of the mind. Oh, we're suffering these injuries because of the surface we're playing on. No, that's coming from within. That's within. That's the ground. The ground has nothing to do with that at all. I'm just being honest. It doesn't. It had no correlation at all. People get ACLs and Achilles on regular grass. It's the same thing.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But are they happening with the same frequency?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Come on, man.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Well, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Has no bearing.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Well, if that's the. So, so why. Why have there been so many ACL and Achilles injuries in that stadium specifically?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I mean, why. I mean, let's say that stadium specifically, right? Why has there been so many ACL and Achilles injuries in general? Why has it risen not just in MetLife, just in general?

[Uncle Nightcap]

Maybe because there's a lot more of these stadiums that have this synthetic turf.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

No, that has nothing to do with it because sometimes people aren't even being touched. Some of these are non contact injuries.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

No, it had nothing to do with it.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Well, that's what the studies. So. But see, you don't believe in studies in science anyway.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

And that's the problem. We keep worrying about science. It's science. That's why everybody getting hurt. That's why. That's the problem. We listen to these people that never played the fucking game. Oh, my bad, my bad, I'm sorry. We were listening to these people that are experts on what we're supposed to consume and put in our bodies, that have never played any sport at the highest level and know what it takes to be able to play a four quarter game in a barbaric sport where we're running to each other 30 miles an hour. But yeah, eat this green stuff. It's healthy for you, it's going to help you. No, for some reason, everybody's continue to get hurt. Soft hitch injury, this Achilles quads, hamstrings, everything, everything blowing out. Something has to give. And we blame it on injuries. I mean, we blame it on turf. No goddamn turf. When y' all played, y' all played on concrete.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Y' all played on concrete with carpet laid over top of it.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah. With no problems. That the end of Wendell Carter's career. He tore both Patel attendants in bed.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Come on, man.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I, I, look, I, I just think the thing is, is that if, you know, if you, if you know more, you should do more. And I think there's a reason why. So in other words, so let me ask you a question.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Talk to me.

[Uncle Nightcap]

So why did they kick this kickoff out? If it doesn't hurt, guys gonna get hurt anyway. So why, so why not continue to run down there and let guys run into each other?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Oh, the NFL covering the ass.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Okay, well, cover, Wait, don't you want to cover your ass with these injuries?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Listen to me real quick. We're trying to prevent the collisions from so far apart. So we're going to shrink it down. Right, because we lost the lawsuit to what, what? Three generations ago.

[Uncle Nightcap]

In 2000, in early 2000s.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, three, yeah. Three generations or three eras. Three eras ago we lost a billion dollar lawsuit. Three. You know what I'm trying to say? We don't want to have to have that happen again. So what are we going to do? We're going to take precautions. Anyone that gets hurt, we're going to continue to throw a flag. We're going to continue to find you so you don't come back 10 years later from now trying to sue us saying, well, my head or this is messed up because of these circumstances that we had back then. That's what the NFL is doing.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I think the thing is, is that the NFL, the product suffers when your best players aren't on the field. There's a reason why that you can't hit the quarterback below the knee.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Trent Green suffered the exact same injury on their very similar play. And they didn't change the rule. It wasn't until Tom Brady.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yes.

[Uncle Nightcap]

And they call it the Brady rule. Yeah, there have been a lot of quarterbacks that got hit in the knee and got hurt. Yeah, but it was, I just think the thing, Look, I, I, I think if, if you know more, you should do more. You. You don't. You don't believe in science. You don't go to the doctor, so.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Oh, yeah, I mean, I. I go to the doctor.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Why?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Because I have.

[Uncle Nightcap]

He ain't never played no sport. How do you know? What. What. How he know how to treat your body?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Because I can't check myself. No, but I'm saying I gotta make sure I'm healthy.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But why you don't listen to no nutritionist.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Listen, listen. Listen to me. Listen to me. I don't listen to nobody that does studies and tells me what I need to put in my body to play the game of football at the highest level.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Why would you. Somebody.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I'm not listening to that.

[Uncle Nightcap]

They tell you what you should put in your body to heal your body. So why would you do that? What?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hold on, hold on. You. I need better context. I need better context.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Why would you listen to anybody to say you need to put this medicine in your body so you can feel better, so you won't be sick, so you won't have a sore throat? Why would you listen to him? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

My sore throat is because of the ac. And I don't.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I don't ac. I'm just asking you a simple question.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Let me answer. Let me answer.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Okay?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I don't take medicine for one. Let's start there.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Okay? That's all I want to say. So you say. You're the one to say you go to the doctor to take medicine.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

No, I didn't say that. I said a checkup. You. We gotta go.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Why you. Why are you going to get checkup? Because we owe you.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Don't.

[Uncle Nightcap]

You're not gonna listen to what he says anyway, so why do you care?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

No, because he has to let me know if everything is okay with me. We gotta get ojo.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Why do you care? You're not going to listen to him.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

We got to get a checkup. Every man.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Why do you have to get a checkup when you're not going to listen to what he says?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Because we're in our 50s, Uncle. We have to. What are you talking about?

[Uncle Nightcap]

You don't have to.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, we do.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Did your mom get checked up? Did your grandma get checkup? No, they didn't. The old people didn't get no checkup. I'm asking you, if you're not going to listen to what the doctor says, why are you going to get checked up? Why do you even have medical to.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Make sure everything is okay with me?

[Uncle Nightcap]

Why?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

So I can know.

[Uncle Nightcap]

So you just want to know. You're not gonna do anything about it, so why you want to know?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Because I'm supposed to go get a checkup every six months. You don't do that.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Why do you need a checkup when you're not going to listen to what the doctor says to help you feel better, make you feel better or be healthier? Why are you going?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Well, for one, this is the good thing, right? So every time I go do my checkup, there's nothing wrong with me. So really, there's nothing for the doctors told me I need to do because I always feel good. Okay, so I'm good.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But you're going for some reason because.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I have to do my checkup every single.

[Uncle Nightcap]

You don't have to. There is no law that says you have to go get a checkup. Where is the law?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

What do you mean? They said it in school, once you hit 40, you got to get your checkup.

[Uncle Nightcap]

They said a lot of things in school. They said, study and do your homework. You ain't listen to that?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

No, because I wanted to play football. I ain't kidding. I was no scholar.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah, but then you found out, you know what? I got to study and do my homework to play football.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I did. I did. I did. Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Let's get big Jackson Dart is the first quarterback since Patrick Mahomes to lead their team to an 80 plus yard drive on the first drive of their first career start. Ocho, the moment didn't look too big for him. No, absolutely not. Look, it's the first game. Let's look. You and I are not going to start. Hey, we're not going to get a parade going, right? But what we will do is that we saw flashes and we saw glimpses of him in preseason.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

He looked good.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah, that. Like Ocho. He looked good. And I was like Ocho over under eight weeks of Russ, right? I said, I'm going to take the under. And I'm not so sure it's going to be. It's going to be much longer than four or five weeks, right? Also, I was you and I was talking. I said, oh, if it's me, I'm going to start him at home against the Chargers, right. I'm not going to start him on the road to the Saints in that building. That noise on. I'm going to start him in my building because I know at least for the first game, the crowd is going to be on his side and they won't boo him. Yeah, but he. He looked. He Looked good. Now it hurts that he's not going to have his most talented player on the offensive side of football joining him, but he looked good.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Very good, Very good.

[Uncle Nightcap]

What did you like about what you saw from him?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Listen, not only did they run the offense, right, even with the. With Malik Ne going out, he still looked good. Obviously plays a call offensively. Seeing him use his legs on some of those third downs and get those first downs and being able to play off script outside of the scheme and the players at the call is what I was most excited about. I think about the difference between him and Russell Wilson. Obviously, Russell being in there, being able to stand in the pocket and he doesn't have that, that, that ability to be a dual threat as he once was when he was in Seattle. So having that addition of Jackson dart, being able to come in, drop back, being in the shotgun, being able to go through his reads and not see anything there and be able to take, to pull that thing down and take off and not only take on. Hey, boy, he could run, huh?

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah, he can run. He got legs. Yeah, absolutely.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I ain't know he'll fast like that. I'm not saying Lamar Jackson, nothing like that, but, but young bull got wheels on him.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah, he can run. And I like, I like Scatter Boo running the football.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Scatter Boo remind me of Peyton Hillis.

[Uncle Nightcap]

He does, he, does he? Absolutely. Or, or All Star. Michael, remember? All Star.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

All Star. Nice. But, but Peyton Hillis and Scatter Boo got a little bit more wiggle to him, though. Yeah, they got a little more wiggle to him.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah. Let's see here. Giantsville. I mean. Oh, man, I thought big guy, I thought de. I thought Sexy Dex was gonna de you. You know, he. Go, go low, man. Get that. Hey, hit that H and get that arm down and get him up.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

We gotta get Dexter. Work on that stiff arm. Gotta work. Boy, if he got in the end zone, you know, that's a big man dream, huh? A pick. Hey, boy, I think the stadium would have erupted if he would have, if he would have got past that and hurled over that, that tackle. But that would have been nice.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Boy, they did a great job of getting after Herbert.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yes.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Thibodeau. Thibodeau, Burns, Abdul, Carter, Carter, Sexy Dexie. Those guys did a great job of putting pressure on it. He never really felt comfortable. Give them credit. Give them credit. They got, they, they, they, they got. After they got out, they got up to Justin Herbert and he finally, he finally looked mortal because he had been playing out of his Mind the first three games he had played out of his mind.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah. Crazy.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But today he looked like a mere mortal.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

And my young bull over there on the other side who's been having some struggles, Quentin Johnston.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah, yeah. Look.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Looking like. Looking like that boy. Looking like how he's supposed to be. Now that confidence is set in. He's three in games like this, back to back to back. And for him, it's only up from there. I just want to give him his praise because we've been doubting him because, you know, because his recent.

[Uncle Nightcap]

He had some drops. He had. He struggled early.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But. But hey, Quinn Johnson. Boy, I know you're gonna see this boy. Boy, you that boy. Keep going, boy. Keep going.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Keenan Allen look good. Yeah.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Kenan Allen. Keenan Allen. We already know what he can do. We know what he can do. So we just picking up where he left off.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Hampton. Hampton had 12 for a buck 28.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hey, boy. He was toting that thing. What?

[Uncle Nightcap]

And can.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, he was nice. He would not.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah, but a scat pack. Scat pack go. Hey, hey. He go. Hey. He get a couple hundred yard game. He go on. He and Jackson Dark go on the city.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Listen, if. If. If Dodge was. If Dodge was smart, they'd be doing a commercial, a scat pack commercial with Scatterboat. It only makes sense. It only makes sense. I need 3% if that happened, too. Scatterboat. Hey, Dodge. Holla. Scatterbo. Scat back commercial.

[Uncle Nightcap]

The Chargers have an online problem. Ocho left tackle Joe Alt left the game early with an ankle injury, putting. Putting an already injured offensive line because he was filling in for. What's the guy? He just got the big contract. Slater. Rashawn Slater. He was filling in because he moved from right tackle to left tackle to replace Slater. Slater's out. Herbert was under siege. He was pressured on almost 48% of his dropbacks.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Well, it's tough. It's tough. Now listen. He look. He look. He looked normal because he got your offensive line. Now. It's hard. It's hard you running for your life when your old line ain't there. Lamar. Today, Justin Herbert, I mean, man. Foreign.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Jaguars beat the 49ers. Ocho 2620 With Parker Washington's punt return touchdown four takeaway, former Niner Eric Armstead script sack Brock Purdy with less than 3 minutes to play. With 3 minutes to play to seal the win for the Jags. Things got heated at the end of the game. After the game, Ocho, when Liam Cohen and niners d coordinator Robert Sala had to be held back. While yelling at each other, Salah had accused jags of stealing signs in a legal fashion. He told him, keep my name out your mouth.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, they should have threw them things.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Keep my name. Keep a. Keep my name out your dentures now.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, now.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Hey, don't make me run up on you.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Hey, hey, hey, Mr. Liam walked up on him like. Listen, man. Hey, what you doing giving all this unsolicited advice? Hey, man, keep my name out your mind. Hey, he should have. He should have shoved him with the finger in his head. He should have gave him one, I bet.

[Uncle Nightcap]

There you go, man.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I'm saying when it comes to coaches, there are certain things that you're supposed to keep in house, certain things you're not supposed to share. You know, that's. I mean, how you just volunteer volunteering information that nobody knows about except coaches. You don't do that. So he had to go check him like Nike. Hey, they should have threw down right there at the 50.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Trevor Lawrence, 21 to 31, 171. One touchdown, no interceptions. ATN 19 carries, a buck 24 and a tub 32 rushes, 151. Brian Thomas Jr. Had 5 for 49. Strange 6 for 45. Travis Hunter had 3 for 42 fumble. But they co. They recovered it.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Brock Purdy was 22 or 38, 309, two touchdowns, two interceptions and was sacked once. Christian McCaffrey had 17 carries for 49 yards. Brian Robinson Jr. 5 for 21, Brock Purdy 2 for 13. So 24 rush attempts, 83 yards. Christian McCaffrey has 6 for 92 and a touchdown on the receiving end. Tanjas had 3 for 58 on the touchdown. Piersol had an outstanding one handed catch at 4 for 42. Cal Usch 3 for 32 turnovers killed him.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Can't turn it over every time.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

It cost you the game and it cost him the game tonight.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yep. Travis did not play at all on defense in the second half. 45 total snaps tied for a season low 36 offensive snaps. So that means he had nine defensive snaps, right?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

They got to make up their mind, man.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Ocho, let me ask you a question.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

They got to make up their mind, man.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Ocho, you want to be. Let me ask you this. If I gave you a choice, Ocho, you can be a lead at one thing or you can beat average at two things. What you choosing?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I'm gonna be elit at that one thing.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Cause right now he's average at both.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I don't know what he doing. Travis Hunter is the number two pick. Right?

[Uncle Nightcap]

Right.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I think to me, I know he wants to play both sides of the ball. I would love for him to be number two pick at one position. Well, listen, I was all for him being on both sides of the ball. I know you can do it. You got the confidence to do it. But I need you to see. I need to see you on one side of the ball and being effective for your team, either offensively or defensively. What? One or the other. Because as a number two pick, you should be on the field every single down on offense or defense. 1. Because what they're doing is they're bringing them along slow and picking and choosing when to play him. It is not showing the value.

[Uncle Nightcap]

It's hard to get a rhythm like that, though.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Bingo. And it's not showing the value in why you picked them. Number two. Not. Not the way they using him.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But what didn't he give? I think he had. He gave up four completions, though. Only his nine snaps.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

He. That's what. That's one of the games I wasn't able to see.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah, they don't let. Because I be trying to watch it. Do they let you watch individual games anymore? Individual games or you gotta block? You know, I'll be trying. I'll be trying to. I'm gonna get me a fire stick. I got to get a set up like I got in Atlanta.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I was able to see all the games.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

You know, when I don't stay home. So after the one o' clock games, I go to a place called Up.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yeah.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

In Hollandale.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Right.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

And all the TVs and the goddamn Jag TV just happened to be on the Jag game. Happened to be on the TV all the way on the.

[Uncle Nightcap]

So what. But see, the thing is I. I can't. It's hard for me to focus. So.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Like, I need to get a set up. I need to get a set up like I got in Atlanta. Right. So I got all the individual TVs, Ocho.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

So I could just put like. Yes. I put like six games on, knowing that, you know, and hopefully the games that I have on, they're exciting because those, you know, you always have your games. You, you know, you go talk about the Cowboys.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

You'll talk about the Eagles. There are certain teams that, you know, you're going to talk about now you try to have a couple of games that. Okay, it's interesting. And they do something and we're able to talk about them. Yeah, like, you know, the, the Jags got Travis Hunter. Jazz ain't Travis Hunter. We probably not talking about them. Let's be real, cuz we keep hoping that we see a glimpse of what we saw at CU and what we saw at Jackson State, right? A pick and a touchdown.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

They, they, they, they, they bringing him along so slow and, and hand feeding him more. And actually he regressed as far as not playing defense this game. And I mean, I, I, I don't.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I don't because OO is, I mean, think about it. Ooh, you do. Oo, you and I know this, man. You got to be sound in the NFL. Them guys are really, really good.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

There are no slouches. Everybody, look, there are a lot of guys that Travis Hunter went against as a DB and wins again as a wide receiver. That's not the NFL. Every guy that he goes against on Sunday is in the NFL.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

The real deal.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Everybody, everybody he's going against was an all State, was an all conference, was a something, got some awards, some level along the way.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, yeah. And listen, for me, what I don't like is I've been spoiled. I've been spoiled watching Matt Colorado.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yes.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I've been spoiled watching him make players on both sides of the ball.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Yes.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

The Heisman, he was number two in the draft. So now that I'm spoiled, I'm thinking, okay, he told teams he wants to make sure he's able to play both sides of the ball. Wherever he drafted, the Jaguars agreed to it. So what you think? I'm waiting to see, I'm waiting to see the exact same output, what plays that I saw in Colorado, even though I understand it doesn't work like that.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Well, I think that we, you, you and others got spoiled. Thought he was just gonna like it was ready, it was ready. You know, some assembly is required. You know how you get toys on your, when you was a kid, Your mom, your grandma, your granddad, Somebody had to put the stuff together. Some assembly will be required. They, I mean, Chad, honestly, did y' all thought they was going to just throw this man out there and he was going to do exactly what he did at Colorado. Y' all thought he's gonna do that in NFL? I know, I know y' all watched the game too long to, to not say think that. Oh, yeah, he gonna do exactly that right out the box. Really? Check Chad, honestly, I mean, be real. Y'.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

All.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Gen Z, y' all just told me, y' all say what's on your mind. Tell me y' all didn't think that.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

What'd you call him? Gen Z. Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I mean, that's what they say. They say. We. We tell you. Did y' all really think that the first game he was going to look exactly how he looked at Colorado? Did y' all think that? Really?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

I. I knew. I knew he wasn't going to be in there like that. But now. Now we going. We. We. In week four, I'm expecting more volume of reps on both sides of the ball. I'm. I'm waiting. I'm waiting.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Okay, Let me ask you a question, though. You expecting these volumes of reps, so you expect. So, but do you want greatness or you want average? Because right now he's average at two positions.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Well, hold on, hold on. The, The. The. The player he is is not average. So he's good.

[Uncle Nightcap]

His play. Damn. What he is. I'm talking about his plate. So you tell me. So I want to. I'll tell you what I'm gonna take. I'm gonna take the name off the back.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

And you don't know anything else.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

And I just say that. Number 12. What. You tell me what you. When you see him on offense, you see him on defense, tell me what.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

You'Re thinking of the small plays I've seen. Yes, he got something in him, and they ain't using him. Right. I'm just. I'm telling you, that man was a.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Not. He was so. He was a nine snaps on defense. He gave up four catches. You think he got something in him?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Well, everybody.

[Uncle Nightcap]

No, don't do that. No, don't do that. I'm just. Hold on.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Wait, hold on. Timeout. Everybody gonna catch balls. What you saying?

[Uncle Nightcap]

Whoa, no, no.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

What are you saying?

[Uncle Nightcap]

No, hold on. Wait a minute. I'm used. He's the number two pick in the draft.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right, Right, right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I. I asked you, you. I said, you want to be average or you do want to be elite? Oh, you said elite.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, I was. I remember. I'm on your side, though. Remember? I said.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But what I, What I was saying to. Is that people expected that he was going to get dropped into the NFL and he was just going to pick right up where he left off. You and I both, they. They get mad at us because we say that's not going to happen. Well, how do you know? Because I played in the NFL. Now, how do you know it's going to happen? I played in the NFL. Right, you didn't.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

So I know a lot of guys, because here's the thing. Ocho, is that what you think? Those guys thinking they gonna dig in even harder, bro, I'm not gonna let you beat me. I'm not gonna let you d me up. Guys really be on their back. Oh, you know, when you went against Reavis or you went against the top akee or you went against the top guys, but you know, you had to be on your best behavior.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Uncle Nightcap]

That's how they approach him. That's how they're approaching him. So now he just like, it's, it's, it's in his mind. I want to do something nobody's ever done. Nobody's really. And, and, and Chuck McNarrick was the last guy to be a full time two way player. That was in the 60s. He was a center and a middle linebacker. They called him concrete Charlie. Chuck McNair, Philadelphia Eagles. Go look your story up, Ocho. I, I just don't know. I just don't know. I just don't know what people, what they expect. Yeah, I mean, give the guy some grace. Let him have some time. But oh, he, oh, he terrible. The coach, bro. It's gonna take time. And then it's like, well, time said, well, he didn't practice on Tuesday time. You know, they ain't let no rookie come in and not gonna practice. Come on time.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

Oh, so what rookie? You know, I've never seen a rookie that's come in and not practice at all. So you. So when they practice on Wednesday, he gets that day off a rookie. I've seen vets do that.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nightcap]

I ain't never seen a rookie do it. Yeah, I haven't. Have you. Have you been around? You played 11 years?

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Absolutely not.

[Uncle Nightcap]

And I've had some rookies. Clinton Porter's one offensive Rookie of the year. Mike Crow won defensive rookie of the Year. Outstanding. They ain't get no day off, right? A rookie.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, I see. I've just gone. I've grown. I've grown frustrated. I've grown frustrated because in my mind, number two pick, he's dynamic. I know what he can do offensively. I understand his skill set. How are they going to use him to maximize his potential? I just want more we in week four and I'm not getting what I thought I would get. Even if it, Even if it doesn't have to be both sides of the ball, even just one side of the ball.

[Uncle Nightcap]

You and I agreed that I thought he was a better db. I say play him at DB and put packages.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Right.

[Uncle Nightcap]

But it seems to Liam Cohen on why Travis Hunter only played receiver in the second half. Personal decision that had to do with a few things we'll keep in house for now.

[Ocho / Marcus Grant / Simone Boyce]

Yeah, something going right, Something ain't going right. But there's no reason that there's no reason things would be going backwards as the season goes on. There's a lot they supposed to be adding food on your plate, not taking food off your plate.

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