BEST OF NFL Week 5 Part 1: Broncos HUMBLING Eagles + Dillon Gabriel DEBUT, More!

Summary

Club Shay Shay Podcast — BEST OF NFL Week 5 Part 1

Broncos HUMBLING Eagles + Dillon Gabriel DEBUT, More!
October 8, 2025 · Hosted by Shannon Sharpe (Ocho) & Ty

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Episode Overview

In this special “Best of NFL Week 5” episode, Shannon Sharpe (“Ocho”) and Ty bring their signature blend of deep football analysis and playful banter, breaking down the most dramatic moments and biggest storylines from across the league. This episode spotlights the Denver Broncos’ shocking comeback win over the Eagles, quarterback debuts including Dillon Gabriel’s, and key takeaways from other headline-grabbing games.
The conversation also dives into offensive struggles, play-calling criticism, injury woes, and the ever-entertaining league dynamics, always flavored with candid insights and sharp one-liners.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Broncos Stun Eagles: Defensive Clinic & Comeback Drama

(Segment starts at 03:19)

• Ty confesses he missed the Broncos-Eagles game live and asks Ocho for a rundown.
  • Ty: “This is the one game I wasn't able to see…give me, in context, what happened, how the game went…” (03:19)
• Ocho details Denver’s dominant defense:
  • Broncos sacked Jalen Hurts 6 times; Bonito with 2.5 sacks, leading the NFL with 7 so far. (04:00)
  • “They batted down nine of his 38 passes. The Eagles managed just 42 yards in the fourth quarter.” (06:53)
  • Eagles were up 17–3, but Broncos rallied: went for 2 to take an 18–17 lead, added a FG for 21–17. (05:00)
• Specific plays & matchups:
  • Saquon Barkley only had 6 carries for 30 yards.
  • Eagles offensive line struggles highlighted.
  • Riley Moss targeted repeatedly in coverage.
  • A.J. Brown limited to short routes.
  • “Most of the yards came on Riley Moss…But hey, you know, number two, ain’t nobody getting nothing on him.” (06:15)
• Ocho’s assessment:
  • “When we take care of what we're supposed to…We can go on the road, or we can beat anybody, anywhere, at any time.” (10:02)
• Playful bragging about team records and future prospects follows.
  • Ocho: “Are y’ all still gonna be in the chase?” (11:06)
  • Ty: “If I cut myself right now, I’m gonna bleed orange and black.” (12:01)

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2. Eagles’ Offense: Miscommunication & Play-Calling Issues

(Segment starts at 14:40)

• Player frustration surfaces:
  • Ocho on DeVonta Smith voicing concerns about miscommunication with Hurts: “There should not be miscommunication at this level, at this time of the year.” (15:49)
• Offensive scheme called into question:
  • Ocho: “If you really look at Philly's offense, it's really simplistic.” (18:51)
  • Ty: “Game of football is simple…but you’re going to have to get a little more creative now.” (19:38)
• Abandoning the run:
  • Saquon's lack of impact due to defensive focus; only 11 rush attempts for the Eagles.
  • Ty: “You had no choice but to throw.”
  • Ocho: “They’re going have to open up this playbook…AJ Brown getting eight targets for five catches and 43 – that ain’t gonna cut it.” (21:12)

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3. Around the League: Bengals, Lions, and Quarterback Woes

(Segment starts at 25:54)

Bengals Struggles:

• Ty laments offensive line and QB injuries: “Jake Browning running around for his life is one of the reasons why Joe Burrow is hurt.”
• Ocho: “Over the last three games, you guys have been outscored 113–37.” (32:01)
• Discussion of whether to look for a new QB, considering options like Andy Dalton and Jameis Winston.
  • Ocho: “Where you going to get him from? Amazon?” (30:24)
• Ty remains loyal: “I have to keep my faith...If I cut myself right now, I'm gonna bleed orange and black.” (12:01)

Lions’ Impressive Win:

• Ocho: “Jared Goff was 19 of 23...258 yards, three touchdowns.”
• Ty: “Listen, we gave up 37 to a team that's probably ranked number one...They took a knee on the 10 yard line.” (28:23)
• Praise for Detroit’s offense and postgame mutual respect.
• Ocho: “Ain’t no love. It's bitter hatred.” (29:19)

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4. Quarterback Debuts & Rookie Performances

(Dylan Gabriel Debut segment begins at 53:10)

Dillon Gabriel (Browns):

• “Dillon Gabriel looked good, huh? He looked really good…processing, dropping back, read one, read two, read three. Okay, not there – boom, I'm dumping it off to the flat. Everything he did…was extremely clean.” —Ty (53:52)
• Handled Brian Flores’ defensive looks with poise; Browns still lost but optimism abounds.

Notable Stat Lines:

• Jaden Daniels (Commanders) becomes first in NFL history with 4000+ pass yards, 1000+ rush yards in first 20 games. (41:38)
• Keenan Allen becomes the fastest to 1000 career receptions. (43:29)
• “They been dishing that ball, man. A thousand, huh?” —Ty (43:23)

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5. NFL Record, Coaching, and Game Management Debates

(Highlights interlaced throughout episode, see especially 49ers-Rams segment, 68:08)

49ers vs. Rams — Overtime Thriller:

• 49ers win 26–23 in OT, weathering injuries and overcoming a fumble.
• Ocho and Ty debate Sean McVay’s 4th down call:
  • Ty: “I like him trying to go for it. I want to get this game over with...the fact he even had the gall to go for it says a lot.” (69:11)
  • Ocho: “I love that. I loved it also, not playing for a tie.” (69:49)
• Praise for play-calling and next-man-up philosophy:
  • “This was the definition of 'next man up' and not missing a beat” —Ty (78:07)
  • Ocho argues Mac Jones would thrive in Shanahan’s system as much as Purdy, questioning premium draft picks on measurables. (73:35–75:48)

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6. Other Noteworthy Results & Quick Hits

• Colts beat Raiders; Jonathan Taylor 3 rushing TDs. (46:43)
• Saints earn first win against mistake-prone Giants.
• Panthers rally to upset Dolphins, Rico Dowdle rushes for 200+ yards. (51:27)
• Ty on turnovers: “There’s maybe three teams good enough to overcome multiple (turnovers)…Chiefs, Bills, maybe Lamar Jackson with a healthy team.” (48:06)

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7. Entertaining Banter, Memorable Quotes & Cultural Commentary

• Ty: “Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.” (10:59)
• Ocho (on player touchdowns): “You make SportsCenter for all the wrong reasons.” (67:57)
• Ty, playful optimism for the Bengals: “What happens if the Bengals shock the world and beat the Lions?”
  Ocho: “If a dog had a square butt, he’d poop blocks, but it’s round, so we know how it will come out, don’t we?” (79:48)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:19 – Broncos vs. Eagles full breakdown
• 14:40 – Eagles miscommunication and offense issues
• 25:54 – Transition to Bengals/Lions discussion
• 41:34 – Jaden Daniels’ historic stats & Chargers game
• 53:10 – Dillon Gabriel’s debut (Browns)
• 68:08 – 49ers vs. Rams, overtime drama and coaching decisions
• 73:12 – “Next man up” philosophy
• 79:48 – Bengals optimism vs. reality, Ocho/Ty classic analogy

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Tone & Style

• Candid, playful, often irreverent — Ocho and Ty mix deep football knowledge with barbershop ribbing.
• Relentlessly honest — Quick to praise but even quicker to call out underperformance.
• Relatable — References to Madden, high school football, and classic sayings.
• Nostalgic — Frequent callbacks to NFL legends and their own playing days.

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On Broncos’ Defensive Dominance:
  • “They sacked Jalen Hurst six times...Benito led the way with two and a half sacks. He had six sacks in the past three games. He leads the league, if I'm not mistaken, with seven.” (06:53, Ocho)
• On Eagles’ Simplicity:
  • “Philly’s offense, it’s really simplistic…You just running unders, you running slants, you running sluggos. Come on, bro.” (18:51, Ocho)
• On Bengals’ QB Issues:
  • Ty: “I love Zach Taylor…but you ain’t running no goddamn offense if you ain’t got nobody blocking for whoever at the quarterback position.” (29:24)
  • Ocho: “Where you gonna get [a new QB] from? Amazon?” (30:24)
• On Rookie Dillon Gabriel:
  • “Everything he did in today's game was extremely clean, extremely keen. Defense played well...He looked effing phenomenal.” (53:52, Ty)
• On Coaching & QB Fit:
  • Ocho: “You can't convince me that Brock Purdy is substantially better than Mac Jones. I refuse to believe that.” (77:09)

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Final Thoughts

This “Best Of” episode is a wide-ranging, honest, and deeply engaging NFL round-up. Listeners are treated not only to hard analysis but also real talk and NFL culture from two passionate insiders. The chemistry and humor between Ocho and Ty, combined with sharp insight, make it a must-listen for any football fan.

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End of Summary.

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[Ty]

Hey, listen, do me a favor. This is now what you're going to have to do. This is the one game I wasn't able to see. This is the one game I wasn't able to watch because while they were playing, obviously, I was giving my pep talk to. To. To my team in the locker room. So I wasn't able to not.

[Ocho]

We just want to talk to him anymore.

[Ty]

Nah, man, listen. The one game I couldn't see. But. But you got to. You got to give me. Give me in. In context, what happened, how the game.

[Ocho]

Went, why they Broncos defense dominated, okay? They sacked Jalen Hurt six times.

[Ty]

Six.

[Ocho]

Six times. They batted down.

[Ty]

Go down. You talking about. They sacked Jalen Hurst six times.

[Ocho]

Six times. Bonito got him two and a half times.

[Ty]

Hold on. With that offensive line.

[Ocho]

Six times. We got the best. That front four. That front four we got.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Getting home. Got home.

[Ty]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Okayon Saquon had six carries, four for 30 yards. They had 11 rushes for 45 yards. So what they did is that they listened to y', all, man, throw the ball, throw the ball. Throw the ball. That's not what they do, right? They throw when they want to, not when they have to. And even though they. The Broncos let them get out there, they had a 173 lead. Broncos said, nah, we gonna shut y' all down. We ain give y' all nothing. How many yards they have the second half if you take that last drive out? Because at one point, I think they had like 40 yards in the second half.

[Ty]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Wait. Let me catch up. Now you're talking too fast.

[Ocho]

Go ahead, go ahead.

[Ty]

They had a 173 lead. The Eagles had a 17 3.

[Ocho]

17 3. Let me tell you how Confident the Broncos were. They scored and went for two.

[Ty]

Did they get it?

[Ocho]

Got it. 1817. Then they kicked the field goal.

[Ty]

Wait, so at. At what point, if they were 17:3, did they get.

[Ocho]

It was 17:3. They scored a touchdown, made it 17:10, scored another touchdown, went for two to make it 18, 17.

[Ty]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Stopped them, made him punt, go three and out. Got the ball back, drove down the field, kicked the field goal.

[Ty]

So they get. They went up 17:3. Right the way they got up, 17:3. Was it on the ground or through the air? Or was it a combination of both?

[Ocho]

They read. They ran like a double move just on Saquon, motioned out the backfield, kind of made like a double move on the linebacker where he ran out, swung out the backfield and made like a double move. Yeah, beat the line back and forth, 47 yard touchdown.

[Ty]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Dallas guarded, caught one. You know, they run that zone read. And then the tight end, like he's gonna block, but he go slides to the flag a couple times. Okay, but it wasn't really nothing. I mean, no big plays, man. I. I was watching A.J. brown.

[Ty]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

Man, A.J. ran a slant, a under, and a sluggle. The only thing I saw him run.

[Ty]

Today, he didn't run the curl. He run. He run the curl, too.

[Ocho]

A sled, a under, and a slugo.

[Ty]

That's it.

[Ocho]

That's it. And he. We had. Look, they taking advantage of Riley Moss. Riley Moss would. I mean, most of the yards came on Riley Moss, right? He gave up a deep play to Devonte and. And whoever else, but hey, but, you.

[Ty]

Know, number two, he Ain't nobody getting nothing on him.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you got something on him. They ran AJ on the under. Yeah, he kind of picked because, you know, he started out there and then Smitty run the rubs, and so he had to fight through that. But what? Nothing happened. I was. I was surprised how many times they sacked him.

[Ty]

Right?

[Ocho]

The Broncos sacked Jalen Hurst six times and batted down nine of his 38 passes. Benito led the way with two and a half sacks. He had six sacks in the past three games. He leads the league, if I'm not mistaken, with seven. The Eagles managed just 42 yards in the fourth quarter. That's including that drive, right? That's including that drive at the end of the game.

[Ty]

40. 42 yards in total.

[Ocho]

42.

[Ty]

What do. What do you think they should have done better? Should they have? They should.

[Ocho]

They should have. Should have played the Broncos. They should have put the Broncos on the schedule. That's what they should have Done. Yeah, let's start with that.

[Ty]

Hold on. I'm trying. I'm trying to understand. What is it that the Eagles didn't do that they didn't do?

[Ocho]

Did you watch the Broncos Monday night, what they did to your team? Yeah, they did worse. They did worse to the Eagles as far as bum rushing them.

[Ty]

Right. But you have to understand, my team is handicapped. So there's a reason why your Broncos beat us. So let's.

[Ocho]

Well, what was the Eagles excuse? Cause we did it to them too.

[Ty]

Okay, let's not get beside ourselves now. Let's not.

[Ocho]

Cortland Sutton was Mal s your guy. Quinon molten. Give me that.

[Ty]

Hold on. He most him.

[Ocho]

You show any kind of way.

[Ty]

I gotta see. I gotta see the film.

[Ocho]

Do. You can watch it.

[Ty]

I gotta see the All22 to get it.

[Ocho]

Sudden he follows Sutton around. Sutton had 8 for 99 the whole game. Yep.

[Ty]

Okay, but listen, what's gonna happen is when you have games like this Keon mission right now on the way he playing, the way he's played the first three, four weeks. Whatever. I forgot we had week four. Right.

[Ocho]

Week five.

[Ty]

Okay, Week five, his first four weeks. That young bull. Young bull is in the conversation for top five this early. This early in his career. He's very good. He's very technical.

[Ocho]

He phenomenal.

[Ty]

Hey, listen, I hate to do comparisons, but I'm going to compare Keon Mitchell to somebody on the field. He's just like goddamn Denzel Ward damn near from a technical standpoint in order to be in a position to make a play. So if Cortland Sutton did have eight for. Eight for 99 or whatever it may have been, maybe because Jumbo would be his strength. And that was. That wouldn't be Keon's Mitchell strength because that advantage goes to Cortland Sutton, who is the taller, bigger individual. But listen, he could lose a game. He could lose the game.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But. But see, now. Now AJ can get their attention.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You see, when we. When we have to throw and they know we have to throw, it's a different ball game. You see every. Oh, no, bro. Saquon. People ain't gonna let Saquon go crazy like he went last year. You know, Dickerson is in and out of the lineup with. You know, he got hurt, had the surgery, got nicked again. He's out. You right guard, Mai Beckton, he left with the charges. Lane Johnson been dealing with stuff all year long, so he hasn't kind of been the Lane Johnson that we're used to seeing. That's not this. That's not the same Eagles lineup.

[Ty]

Right?

[Ocho]

And so the. What started at the beginning of the season. They taking the lumps and bruises. They're taking some lumps right now.

[Ty]

Right?

[Ocho]

They sacked both twice. But I thought he. I thought overall, he played well. He missed a throw here, there. Look, he's only in his second year, but to go on the road and do that in a hostile environment to the team that won the super bowl last year, the Broncos had to be. They have to feel really good about what they were able to do today. They, like if I'm Sean Payton, I'm saying, see, this is what we're capable of doing, right? We. We don't have to take a back seat to anybody when we have a great week of practice, when we pay attention to details, when we take care of what we supposed to take care of. Clean game, no turnovers. We can go. We can go on the road, or we can be anybody anywhere at any time.

[Ty]

Yeah. Yeah. I. I like it. I like it. I like it. Listen, what I wouldn't do is I would. I wouldn't get too high up on my bridges, you know, don't count your chicken before you don't. Don't count your egg before. Don't count your chicken before the egg. How you say it. How you say it? Out of saying go.

[Ocho]

Don't count the chicken before they hatch.

[Ty]

Yeah. Don't. Yeah. Yeah. Don't do that.

[Ocho]

Y'. All.

[Ty]

Y' all want to. Y' all want.

[Ocho]

He's already hatched.

[Ty]

Listen, y'. All.

[Ocho]

Y'.

[Ty]

All. Y' all be the super bowl champs. But when it comes time, when we talk about after Thanksgiving, when real football season starts, we talk about playoff football, are y' all still gonna be in the chase?

[Ocho]

Are y'. All. I know who won't be the chase. Y' all won't be. Listen, first of all, by who is y'. All. We talking about bingos.

[Ty]

We talk about the Broncos.

[Ocho]

We see where we are. You see where we are.

[Ty]

Y'? All? Two and three.

[Ocho]

Two and three. Who told you that? Which are three and two better than y'?

[Ty]

All.

[Ocho]

Whatever. Whatever. Y' all. Are we not.

[Ty]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Ocho]

I don't know what we are. I don't know what we are off the top of my head, right? We are what y' all are.

[Ty]

So let me tell you something. Are you excited? You excited we all at right now? You happy about today's win?

[Ocho]

Everything I told you, I said don't show y' all gonna win your first two games and y' all losing the next three. Chat. Did I tell him that?

[Ty]

Hold on, hold on. This is what you're not gonna do this. This is what we not gonna do. See, and the chat should have a better understanding for me. For me. I have to. My faith is always gonna lie with my bangles. You hear me? If I cut myself right now, I'm gonna bleed orange and black. See, that's what's gonna happen. So I understand. I understand, and you understand as well, our chances of continuous competing and winning games solely based on our quarterback plan. He's out. He's out now. I know he's out, but I still have to keep my faith and my love and my allegiance to my team. Unlike most people, when the quarterback goes down, they like to jump ship.

[Ocho]

What a show right there. When they. When they going to win another game? When they.

[Ty]

Wait a minute.

[Ocho]

When they. When they going to win another game? Never.

[Ty]

If there was any more time on the clock. Whenever we get to that game, we'll talk about that. When we get to that game, we'll talk about that.

[Ocho]

Boy, y' all could have played another. Y' all could have played another four quarters. They should. You better be glad they took a knee.

[Ty]

Hey, be careful, because if we played another four quarters, we might have come back and won that game.

[Ocho]

They could have played till tomorrow and y' all still wouldn't win in that game.

[Ty]

You don't do that. You saw. Yeah, you saw. You saw number six and then in number one and they. They started. They started getting that chemistry. They started. They started to get going. Huh? You saw that, right?

[Ocho]

And we are not the high school class.

[Ty]

Hold on. Are we. Are we on? Are we on the game now? Are we on? On?

[Ocho]

No, we ain't on the game. Man, ain't nobody talking about no Bengals right now. We got other good games to talk about before we talk about them bums.

[Ty]

Let me know I'm about to get.

[Ocho]

Okay, I'll let you know right now. You don't know, so I ain't let you know. So you don't know.

[Ty]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Let me put these good guys helmet back. How y' all doing? Chat?

[Ty]

Yeah. Hey, hey. Hey. Hey, you. Hey. You show. Hey. You sure is happy about that. Goddamn. That goddamn.

[Ocho]

Oh, whoa, whoa.

[Ty]

I mean, what happened? Hold on. Don't you got another thing that you always. That you always praise? You always hooping and hollering about? Why?

[Ocho]

Whoa, whoa, Ocho, this is so unnecessary. Oh, my gosh. Why? Listen, I'm Just saying calm down.

[Ty]

And you mighty happy about them, Bronco. But we still got the team that you claim.

[Ocho]

I don't know what's going on, Chat. I really don't.

[Ty]

Oh, oh, don't worry about it. We'll get to it. What's the next game we talking about?

[Ocho]

I mean it's, it's not that serious, guy. It's not that serious.

[Ty]

It's serious. It's serious. Pull out your Ravens helmet now.

[Ocho]

We don't jump out. We discussing the Bronco. We talking about Bronco country.

[Ty]

We talk. Hey, that game is over. Let's talk about your.

[Ocho]

Okay. Not A.J. brown, but Devonte Smith had plenty to say about Jalen Hurst lack of communication after the team's first loss. There are times we're looking at him and he may give a signal before we or after we look. And ultimately we have to be on the same page. We have to see that signal no matter what. It's just the little things within the routes. He may have seen something pre snap and sometimes we didn't see it hurt. Said doesn't remember any of those things happening and that he like have to talk to Smith to see what he's referencing. Ocho, first it was aj, now devontae Smith. Are you surprised that because here's the thing. Ocho, now talk to me. This is not a situation where Devonte and A.J. smith are first year players. Jalen Hurst is a first year player. They've been together for three years. This, this what, whatever he's referencing and we don't know Jaylen Hurst, I don't know what he talking about. But whatever the case may be, there should not be miscommunication at this level, at this time of the year with.

[Ty]

Those three, especially not in year three. Two. Now this is one of the things that, that a lot of Eagles fans and I, I would love Eagle fans to understand. Listen, as receivers, you know, they love that they use this moniker. Oh, he's a diva. Oh, he's selfish. No, all players, all players want to be able to contribute. Obviously the winning is good and you have a formula in the way you win, in the way you do things. That is the Eagles success. That's the success. Obviously the players, especially your 1A and your 1B, they want to contribute and they want to be part of that. The fact that they run the ball so much when it is time to throw, you want everything to be as perfect as possible and it just hasn't been that. So the communication in which AJ and DeVonta Smith and Jalen hurts might be lacking because that's not the focal point of the offense. It's not the focal point of offense. So there might be some gray areas in that area that are never really addressed, because that's not the way they do things in general. But listen, I think it's something that they will get fixed. I think it's something that they will get fixed. Stuff like this, it shouldn't be out. It shouldn't be said publicly, because it should be handled internally. But the fact that their focal point is always, we're the type of team, we gonna run the ball first. We'll worry about everything else. If the run doesn't work and we have to abandon it, which I think that that's where the disconnect is.

[Ocho]

I, me, personally, Ocho, I think Devontae was trying to help Jalen by saying there was some miscommunication, because if there's no miscommunication, this is some bull diggity. So he was saying, you know what? Maybe we missed a. Maybe we missed a signal or something that he saw. Something that we didn't see. Maybe. But if it's just. Nah, we just look this bad. Cause they look bad, Ocho. They did. There are stretches there where they look. I'm like, well, damn, did y' all practice that bad?

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hold on.

[Ty]

You said, did they practice and they look bad when it came.

[Ocho]

Yes. I mean, there. There are stretches where they look that bad that you. That I question whether or not they had been practicing.

[Ty]

When it comes to the passing game, you mean.

[Ocho]

Yes. Yes.

[Ty]

Okay. Okay.

[Ocho]

But teams are not going to let them run. Oo. You see? And I. And I said this. People think the way you win a Super bowl one year, you're going to exactly come back and win it. No, they're not letting saquan run for 150, 1752 like he did last year. Every game we come. Every. After every game, Eagles game, Ocho, we come in here. Saquon did something spectacular. Saquon did, man, Saquon hit his head on the goal post from 80. Saquon hit his.

[Ty]

Wait, I got a question.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Ty]

If teams aren't allowing Saquon Barkley to run, obviously I'd be better suited to talk about this game. This is the one game I wasn't able to watch. But if they're not allowing Saquon to run and the front four is not going to be able to stop him, you got to bring a safety down in the goddamn box in order to do that.

[Ocho]

He's.

[Ty]

It's one on one on the outside.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

It couldn't be any problem.

[Ocho]

But you know what, Ocho? When you really look at it, if you really look at Philly's offense, it's really simplistic.

[Ty]

Yeah. The game of football is simple. You don't have to overcoach it. You don't have to overcomplicate it.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but you look. You. But you look at. You look at how. I give you an example. You look at how the Lions, how they put their players in position to succeed.

[Ty]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

You look at some of the other offensive coordinators and how they put their players. Bro, you just running unders, you running slants, you running sluggos. Come on, bro.

[Ty]

Yeah, but listen, you think about the Lions offense, and then you look at the offense of the Eagles. The Eagles went in a very simplistic form. The creativity of the Lions.

[Ocho]

No, you won in a simplistic form. The likelihood. You're going to have to complicate. You're going to have to get a little bit more complicated now.

[Ty]

A little bit more creative. A little bit more. Yes, creative, yes. But listen, the goddamn Lions unk. When it comes to their creativity offensively is. It's a lot more complex, especially when you. When you watch it from the outside, dude, they do a little bit of everything.

[Ocho]

They do.

[Ty]

And you never. You never know what's coming. You never know what's coming. That's not. That's not the makeup and that's not the DNA of the Eagles. And it never happened.

[Ocho]

No, never. But I think in order for them to get back where they want to be, Ocho, they're going to have to open up this playbook. They're going to have to open up. They're going to have to trust Jalen Hurst to throw the ball and not when they get behind. Listen, I don't think they want him to throw the ball 38 times. I know that for certain.

[Ty]

That's not them.

[Ocho]

That's. That's not their recipe. They're Ocho. Eleven carries. They had 11 rush attempts. Saquon, who you paying $20 million a year, had six rush attempts.

[Ty]

Wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on. So you're saying they abandoned the run too early?

[Ocho]

They couldn't get anything running.

[Ty]

Okay, so you had no choice but to throw.

[Ocho]

But not. But see, we know that. See, when Saquon is running, you like, damn, what are they gonna do now? Are they gonna run it or they gonna throw it? We really don't know. Well, they can't run the football with Saquon. They hadn't been able to run all year. They got really lucky in the rams game that A.J. that, that, that Jalen and A.J. got on the same page and A.J. got hot and boom. But they're gonna, they're gonna have, they're gonna have to be better. They're gonna have to be better than this. A.J. brown getting eight targets for five catches and 43. That ain't gonna cut it.

[Ty]

That ain't gonna cut it because they're not. Because the running game is not successful as it was last year. Okay. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Ty]

Damn.

[Ocho]

But we just put, we put, you know, put foot center. Let them know what time.

[Dan]

I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the Solid Verbal College football podcast. College football season is here. And you know what that means. Your team is going to break your heart three times probably before Halloween. Uh huh. But fear not. The Solid Verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss and impossible comeback. Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the rollercoaster of this ridiculous sport. Whether you're a die hard fan or a casual observer, we'll help you make sense of all the chaos and of course, celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan. We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it. Listen to the Solid Verbal college football podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ocho]

Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero.

[Dan]

We're just here to try to give.

[Ocho]

You an NFL perspective a little.

[Dan]

Did you see the Colts pretzel?

[Ocho]

That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Oh, my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're gonna get. Listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Dan]

Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit toyota.com NFL now to learn more. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here and I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game, from scouting reports and player development to team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else. It's the kind of conversation that connects the dots.

[Ocho]

From college football prospects to the NFL.

[Dan]

Stars of tomorrow, we break down the draft, analyze matchups, and evaluate how teams put it all together on game day.

[Ocho]

Plus, we dig into coaching strategies, roster.

[Ty]

Construction, and the trends that shape the.

[Ocho]

League year after year.

[Dan]

Whether you're a die hard fan or just love understanding the game on a deeper level, we give you the full picture.

[Ocho]

If you want insight that goes beyond the box score, this podcast is for you.

[Dan]

Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Simone Boyce]

I'm Simone Boyce, host of the Bright side podcast, and on this week's episode I'm talking to Olympian World cup champion and podcast host Ashlyn Harris. My worth is not wrapped up in how many things I've won, because what I came to realize is I valued winning so much that once it was over, I got the blues and I was like, this is it for me. It's the pursuit of greatness. It's the journey, it's the people, it's the failures. It's the heartache. Listen to the Bright side on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Get fired up, y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Simone Boyce]

Season 2 of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people and an incomparable soccer icon, Megan Rapinoe to the show and, and we had a blast. We talked about her recent 40th birthday celebrations, Co hosting a podcast with her fiance sue, bird watching, former teammates retire and more. Never a dull moment with Pino. Take a listen. What do you miss the most about being a pro athlete? The final. The final and the locker room. I really, really like you. Just, you can't replicate. You can't get back. Showing up to the locker room every morning just to talk. We've got more incredible guests like the legendary Candace Parker and college superstar AZ Foote. I mean, seriously, y', all, the guest list is absolutely stacked for season two. And you know we're always gonna keep you up to speed on all the news and happenings around the women's sports world as well. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

[Ocho]

Speaking of disappointing teams, is there any more disappointing team than your Bengals? Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on.

[Ty]

Why we hold up. Why are we going to the Bengal game? The Ravens stayed at 1 o'. Clock.

[Ocho]

That's okay.

[Ty]

The Ravens played at 1 o'. Clock.

[Ocho]

Y' all play. We go. We. We start from. We start and work our way back. You remember how to say how we did that?

[Ty]

Oh, that's what we doing.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Ty]

Okay, well, go ahead. Let's talk about. Let's talk about my.

[Ocho]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I mean, you do an awful lot of talking for a team that got beat by 13.

[Ty]

Wait, by who?

[Ocho]

Jared Goff was 19 of 23. That means he had four incompletions chat. 258 yards, three touchdowns.

[Ty]

Damn.

[Ocho]

Three.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

David Montgomery even threw a touchdown. So in actuality, there was 20 or 24. 264, 261 yards, 4 tubs, 0 ints.

[Ty]

Hey, can I. Can I tell you something real quick?

[Ocho]

Hey, that man went home. He went home?

[Ty]

Yeah, he went home. Hey, listen, he came home and showed out. He came home and showed out. But let's understand something. For one, before I even start, me, I got a chance to see Kirby. I got to see jmo. I got to see Amar Ross, St. Brown, got to see Terrion Arnold. Before the game, I exchanged some pledge with them boys and hoping and hoping we would have had a better showing than what we did. That's neither here nor there.

[Ocho]

No, you had the showing that you had.

[Ty]

Listen, Jake Brown and Hump. We are not a good enough team we are not a good enough team to overcome three turnovers. We're not a good enough team. We got to be able to protect the ball. We got to be able to protect the ball. Goddamn Jamar. Chase. Chase Brown, P. Ryan. Boy, they fought. They do you know what off. They thought that. You know what off to find ways to make play. Jake Bryant and running for his life for the majority of the game and trying to make something out of nothing. He did his best. Chase did his best. I would love for us to get everyone else involved. I would love for us to get everyone else involved. We have to do a better line, a better job up front. We got to do a better job up front. Jake Browning running around for his life is one of the reasons why Joe Burrow is hurt. I'm not saying no names. I'm not calling out names for those of you who are able to watch the game. You understand that? You understand that we did the best we could as a team. Defensively, I thought we played well. I thought we played well.

[Ocho]

You gave up 37.

[Ty]

Yeah, listen, listen. We gave up 37 to a team that's probably ranked maybe one number one.

[Ocho]

They took a knee on the 10 yard line.

[Ty]

I know you don't want. Listen, you don't want to be disrespectful to us.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I want to be disrespectful.

[Ty]

Yeah, Listen, they won the game. It's a good team.

[Ocho]

But again, I want to be openly and blatantly disrespectful.

[Ty]

Okay, okay. Listen, it was a great win for the Lions. It was a great win for the Lions. I had a great time meeting many Lions fans, you know, this past three days. I salute y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Ty]

I love you. It's nothing but mutual respect with the trash talk that we were doing. But as you know, my faithfulness and my allegiance will always lie here. It will always lie with this. And I got to talk. I got to talk. And we lost today. And I bow my head with grace, and y' all won the game. And it's nothing but love. It's nothing but love.

[Ocho]

It ain't no love. It's bitter hatred.

[Ty]

No, it ain't.

[Ocho]

Y' all terrible.

[Ty]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Ocho]

You did all that talking. Now look at you.

[Ty]

Yeah, yeah. It's okay. Listen, I can sit here and say we lost.

[Ocho]

I bet Chase was a DB in high school, too. Cause he could tackle. He had three tackles in the first half.

[Ty]

Look, at one point, Chase was leading in tackles.

[Ocho]

That's what I know. That's why I know he played db, too.

[Ty]

He. That's okay. I have a question for you and Chad. I have a question for y', all, too. Do you think I love. I love Zach Taylor. I love Zach Taylor. And I hate that people are saying, oh, the coach need to be fired, and all this. Listen, it don't matter who you bring in there. Goddamn. You can have Jesus coaching, but when Jesus called them plays, it's our job to execute them. It's 11 people out there on the field for one ain't running no offense. You ain't running no goddamn offense if you ain't got nobody blocking for whoever at the quarterback position. We can start there. That ain't got to do with Zach Taylor. We can start there. But do you think. Do you think we need to make a move and go get another quarterback? I just want to know, because we only two.

[Ocho]

Where you gonna get him from? Amazon? Cause you talking. You talking like they. They got one that you can order from Amazon and they give it to you. You get them next day.

[Ty]

But listen, you know the game. You know the game. I know the game. When you like this, do you want to salvage the season in some, in some, in some shape.

[Ocho]

No, you're not going to salvage nothing. Oh, y' all gonna be done by Thanksgiving. Y' all be done. Y' all will be done by Halloween. Listen, Joe is not coming back this year.

[Ty]

I, I'm, I'm not talking about Joe coming back. I'm saying getting someone in there at the quarterback position that can facilitate the ball and protect it at the same time.

[Ocho]

No, that's why they stick it with me. I don't know who your backup is. The Jake Browning, but I don't believe you bringing somebody off the street. Ocho, over the last three games, you guys have been outscored 113, 37. The 76 point differential, narrowly missed the record 80, worst three game stretch in franchise history. Bengals have three other quarterbacks on the rafter. Brett Rippin, who played for the Broncos. Mike White, who played for the, he played for the jets and the Dolphins and Sean Clifford are on the practice squad. Jake Browning threw three interceptions and he had three touchdowns in garbage time. They don't mean nothing. Browning was booed after several drives in the first half. At one point he was booed and he led the offense. As he led the offense on the field. Browning had thrown. Has thrown eight interceptions in four games.

[Ty]

So you heard what you just said. He's thrown eight interceptions in four games. And you still think there's not a quality backup that's on another team. I'm not, I don't want to say no names that can come in and.

[Ocho]

No, because he knows your offense the best. Your offensive line, they still, they haven't addressed, I mean, they haven't addressed that. And your defense. Now I, I granted that you, you know, you turn the ball over four, three times a day.

[Ty]

Three.

[Ocho]

But you go back and look at. Over the last. But I mean, the Broncos beat the brakes off y'.

[Ty]

All.

[Ocho]

The team before that beat the brakes off y'. All. Y' all defense isn't any good. It's not bad. I mean, I, I wish I could give it to and say make it better, but I can't. Y' all defense aren't. Your defense isn't very good. And when your defense isn't good and you. Because here's the thing, your defense is the worst part of your. Your team. Your offense is bad and turning the ball over. So the worst part of your team is playing the most. The last thing that you want, Ocho, you want the best part of your team to play the most. You want your offense to be on the field right now. Your offense is turning the ball over, putting the worst part on the field.

[Ty]

I don't. You know what? You know what? Can I tell you something?

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Ty]

I don't like the way you worded that. I don't. I'm just saying. I don't like the way you worded that. I think. I think. I don't want to say we gonna be all right, but y' all not. Let me finish. Let me finish.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Ty]

Let me have a little faith. Let me. Let me have a little faith. Okay? We got to have better quarterback play. The fact that, you know, Joe is out for us to even have a chance to be able to compete every Sunday, no matter who the hell we playing, we can't turn the ball over.

[Ocho]

Y' all can't trade for Andy Dalton, huh?

[Ty]

Where Andy at? Where Andy at?

[Ocho]

Carolina?

[Ty]

No, we need a gunslinger. We need a gunslinger. Somebody that's. That. That's. That's going to let that thing rip. You hear me? Someone that. That is experienced, that has veteran presence.

[Ocho]

Well, trade for James then.

[Ty]

Not. Not. Okay, now we talking.

[Ocho]

You say you want somebody to let it rip. James gonna throw now.

[Ty]

Now we talk.

[Ocho]

Now, here's the thing. Ocho, talk to me. You're gonna have three touchdown passes.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

He'll have three interceptions tonight. He gonna throw. He gonna throw for three. 350. 400.

[Ty]

400.

[Ocho]

Just so you know.

[Ty]

Listen, I'm just saying. Listen, I love you.

[Ocho]

Remember that game last year against the Broncos? 497. But he had three picks of the football.

[Ty]

Yeah. So I'm saying, would you rather us having Jamis or having someone at the quarter position that can give us 497 or 500 yards passing and at least have us?

[Ocho]

I'm sure chasing Higgins would like that.

[Ty]

Huh?

[Ocho]

I said I'm sure chasing Higgins would like that. Somebody to go throw the ball. Yeah, for sure.

[Ty]

So if we're going to have a chance, if you say our defense is bad, bad. If we're gonna have a chance, we gotta throw the kitchen sink. Oh, well, we can salvage in this season. We're just two and three now. We just two, three. You never know. You know, you never know what happened. If I'm not mistaken, we. We. We second in division.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Yeah. We second in division. We have time, but I don't think.

[Ocho]

But given the circumstances in this division, I don't think there's only one team going out of division. Now, it might be a situation where you get three teams out of the AFC West. The Broncos, the Chargers and the Chiefs.

[Ty]

So what? You are. You just are you.

[Ocho]

But think about it, Ocho. You got. You got to look at. You got to look at the AFC South. Jacksonville lost one game. Indy lost one game. You saw the Texans win today.

[Ty]

Yeah. Wait, who they. Who did Texas beat today, man?

[Ocho]

Texas beat. There you go. You try to be slick. You try to sleep that way, didn't you? You thought you were sleeping with Joe.

[Ty]

You thought, hey, who the Texas be today, huh?

[Ocho]

You know who they beat today?

[Ty]

I got it.

[Ocho]

I got. Montgomery scored a touchdown in the same game for the 14th time, right? Eyeing an NFL record.

[Ty]

Hey, can I tell you something?

[Ocho]

Huh?

[Ty]

You notice. Can I tell you something? You noticed the first time the Lions beat the Bengals since 1992.

[Ocho]

It won't be the last time because.

[Ty]

I ain't never lost to him.

[Ocho]

Y' all probably ain't never played the Lions.

[Ty]

We played the Lions twice. I had. Dre Bly was on me. Drake Blab is on me. That was my boy. And my. And my boy when we played him here in. In Cincinnati, boy. Remember Louis Delmas?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Yeah. Hey, hey. That boy. That boy know he could hit. Boy, you know he can hit. But we ain't never lost to them. But again, salute to all the Lions fans. I know it's a lot of y' all in the chat that are watching tonight. I salute you. Y' all won the game. If I met you. It's all love. It's all love. And I'm gonna get down to Detroit. I promise him. I'll come down to Detroit and sit in the stands at Ford Field and watch a game.

[Dan]

I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the Solid Verbal College Football Podcast. College football season is here and you know what that means. Your team is going to break your heart three times, probably before Halloween.

[Ocho]

Uh huh.

[Dan]

But fear not. The Solid Verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss and impossible comeback. Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the roller coaster of this ridiculous sport. Whether you're a diehard fan or a casual observer, we'll help you make sense of all the chaos and, of course, celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football football fan. We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it. Listen to the Solid Verbal College Football podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ocho]

Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero.

[Dan]

We're just here to try to give.

[Ocho]

You an NFL perspective a little bit different.

[Dan]

Did you see the Colts pretzel?

[Ocho]

That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Oh my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week that is exactly what you're going to get. Listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Dan]

Toyota the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit toyota.com NFL now to learn more. What's up everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here and I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game. From scouting reports and player development to team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else. It's the kind of conversation that connects the dots.

[Ocho]

From college football prospects to the NFL.

[Dan]

Stars of tomorrow, we break down the draft, analyze matchups, and evaluate how teams put it all together on game day.

[Ocho]

Plus, we dig in the coaching strategies.

[Ty]

Roster construction, and the trends that shape.

[Ocho]

The league year after year.

[Dan]

Whether you're a die hard fan or just love understanding the game on a deeper level, we give you the full picture.

[Ocho]

If you want insight that goes beyond the box score, this podcast is for you.

[Dan]

Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Simone Boyce]

I'm Simone Boyce, host of the Bright side podcast, and on this week's episode I'm talking to Olympian World cup champion and podcast host Ashlyn Harris. My worth is not wrapped up in how many things I've won, because what I came to realize is I valued winning so much that once it was over, I got the blues and I was like, this is it for me. It's the pursuit of greatness. It's the journey, it's the people. It's the failures. It's the heartache. Listen to the bright side on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Get fired up, y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Simone Boyce]

Season 2 of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people and an incomparable soccer icon, Megan Rapinoe to the show and we had a blast. We talked about her recent 40th birthday celebrations, Co hosting a podcast with her fiance, sue, bird watching former teammates retire and More. Never a dull moment with Pino. Take a listen. What do you miss the most about being a pro athlete? The final. The final and the locker room. I really, really like you. Just, you can't replicate. You can't get back. Showing up to the locker room every morning just to talk. We've got more incredible guests like the legendary Candace Parker and college superstar Az Foot. I mean, seriously, y', all, the guest list is absolutely stacked for season two. And you know we're always going to keep you up to speed on all the news and happenings around the women's sports world as well. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

[Ocho]

Jaden Daniels playing for the first time in two weeks through for 231 yards.

[Ty]

And he was cooking back at home.

[Ocho]

Managers 2710 win over the Chargers with 39 yards rushing today, Daniels became the first player in NFL history with 4,4000 or more pass yards and 1000 or more rush yards. And in his first 20 games, Justin Herbert was under duress. Sacked four times, took nine quarterback hits, pressured 12 times before being replaced by Trey Lance. Herbert averaged 3.3 yards per pass attempt and threw his only interception when pressured by the Commanders. Man, they got after Mojo.

[Ty]

Yeah, hey, they got at them good. They got off them real good. And this is, this is the definition of when I always say any given Sunday, anything could happen. As good as the charges have looked since the beginning of the season today, they ain't look like themselves. Not at all. Not at all. And you expect if you're a bed man, if you're a bed man, Jaden Daniels is first king coming back. He's coming off injury. So hey, if I'm a bet, man, I'm better with the charges to win this one in LA too at that. I'm going to spoil. Jaden Daniels coming back to LA playing at home and it absolutely, it absolutely did not happen.

[Ocho]

It did not happen. Jay Daniels, 15 to 26, 2311 touchdowns. They ran the ball extremely well, 28 rushes, 163 yards. Debo got in on the action 8 for 96 and a touchdown. Luke McCaffrey had a tremendous 50 yard catch to set him up for a touchdown. Keenan Allen became the fastest player in NFL history to collect a thousand catches. It took him 159 games. Damn.

[Ty]

Hey, they been dishing. Boy, that ball, man. A thousand Huh? A thousand.

[Ocho]

He got a thousand in 159 games.

[Ty]

That's crazy.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

How many catches you got, huh?

[Ocho]

Eight, fifteen thousand. I went thousand.

[Ty]

Oh, that's. Wow.

[Ocho]

Now it's going to be routine now people gonna think if you don't have a thousand catches now it's gonna. People gonna thank you was a bum. If you'll receive it.

[Ty]

You have to. People have to also understand that the game has changed.

[Ocho]

Yes. And that's why I say if you don't have a thousand catches now, it ain't like when. When I came in and you came in, it was extraordinary. God. Like damn. But thousand.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hell, I remember when Jerry had like a thousand. Damn.

[Ty]

No, that's, that's.

[Ocho]

And then, you know, so now, I mean, you probably got what you probably got. How many guys got a thousand catches? At least 12.

[Ty]

That many?

[Ocho]

Maybe more. Maybe more, right? Like Chris Carter, Tim Brown to Jerry. 15. Yeah. Heinz wars got a thousand.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You got tight ends, you got Kelsey, you got Gonzo, right? Fitzgerald have a thousand.

[Ty]

Hey, man. But the boy was getting that rock, boy. Hey, well, how many? How many I got?

[Ocho]

D. Hop has 989. He'll get a thousand this year.

[Ty]

Jesus Christ.

[Ocho]

Devonte got 979.

[Ty]

What I got, what I got. I need to come back and play.

[Ocho]

You got 766.

[Ty]

That's it. Hey, I was sorry as hell. Damn.

[Ocho]

I think what I think when I retired, I was in the top 10.

[Ty]

It dropped down. Now.

[Ocho]

Jerry Rice leads the way. 1549, Larry Fitzgerald 1432. Tony Gonzalez, 1325. Jason Whitten 1228. Marvin Harrison 1102. Chris Carter 1101. Tim Brown 1094-1078. Anquad 1076. Reggie Wayne 1070. Andre Johnson 1062. Steve Smith 1031. Isaac Bruce 1024. Travis Kelsey 1019. Heinz Ward has a thousand and Keenan Allen just a thousand. So what year is this? What year is this for Keenan? You're 11, 12, you're 13.

[Ty]

Wheeling and dealing, boy.

[Ocho]

I'm 39th. Ocho.

[Ty]

That's dope. That's dope. That's dope.

[Ocho]

And what when I. I left in the top 10, so I ain't in the top 10 no more.

[Ty]

Hey, listen.

[Ocho]

The Raiders were handed a 4640 to 6 drubbing by the Colts at Lucas Oil. Jonathan Taylor ran for three touchdowns and a two point conversion. Indiana Jones. Daniel. Indiana Jones threw for two touchdowns while playing another turnover free game. And the Indianapolis coach remained perfect at home. The Raiders are one in four. Worst start to Pete Carroll. Coach, head coaching career. I'm processing it poorly, to tell you the truth, because I didn't expect. I did expect to win right out of the shoes.

[Ty]

Well, I mean, that's. I mean, are you supposed to say something like that as a head coach? Is that supposed to be a result?

[Ocho]

Yeah, I mean, I think. I mean, ask Sean McDermott, did he think he was going to win? Hell, air coach that they go win. But how you going to win when your quarterback have three turnovers? I mean, Gino didn't play good today. He had two. Excuse me, he had two turnovers. Two picks. Bad. Indiana Jones, 20 or 29, 212, two touchdowns, relieved by Anthony Richardson. Jonathan Taylor, 17 carries, 66 yards, three touchdowns. I mean, the Raiders aren't good enough, right, to overcome the mistakes that Gino.

[Ty]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Ocho]

You're not. You're not that good. They're not good enough.

[Ty]

Not. Not at all. There's maybe. There's maybe one, two, maybe three teams that are good enough to overcome multiple. Multiple Kansas City Chiefs are one of them. The Bills are another one, and maybe Lamar Jackson when their team is at full health, at full strength.

[Ocho]

But we saw. We saw the Bills not able to overcome turnover tonight. It all depends on who you playing. You playing a good team, you ain't overcoming no turnovers.

[Ty]

Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

[Ocho]

And now what happens is when you turn the ball over, one or two things happen. You either bring the team up to your level or you take. Go down to their level.

[Ty]

Yeah, one or the other. Yeah. Oh, you know what? Let me throw the Lions in that conversation as well.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And so. But the Lions. I think Indiana is getting everything that. Look, it's five games into the season, but I don't think the season could have gone any better other than the untimely passing of their owner, Jim Ursay. I don't think the season could have gone any better for this ball club, Ocho. I mean, Daniel Jones is giving them everything that they. They could have hoped for and more. So they only had to throw it 29 times, which is not a lot. 29, 25 rushes. So I think. I think the season has gone unbelievably well.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

For the. For the. In the Indianapolis Colts, it's.

[Ty]

Boy, Daniel Jones. Listen, as much as I said about him, I. I got to take all that back. I got to take anything. Anything negative I said about Daniel Jones. Maybe, Maybe it is the Giants, and you don't want to say maybe it is The Giants. Because goddamn Jackson Dart, even though they lost today, he cutting up. He's cutting up so. And he's.

[Ocho]

Well, let's get to that game. Now you mentioned that the Saints get their first win over mistake prone Giants Giants rookie Jackson Dart passed for two touch 202 yards and two touchdowns, but turned the ball over three times even scat Pack had a turnover. They had. They had five total turnovers and they lost three fumbles. Darius Slade lost a fumble. Jackson Dart last lost a fumble and Scat Pack lost a fumble. Three turnover, five turnovers. Spencer Rattler 21 of 31, 225 on a touchdown. Shahid had four catches for a buck 14 on the touchdown, including an 87 yarder. Oh, Joe. The Giants were in cruise control and then they started turning the ball over. They turned the ball over like four consecutive possessions and this is what you get.

[Ty]

Absolutely. Rashid. Hey, Rashid. Shahid. You know I got a nice little tweet to say. Hey, you need to fix my speed on Madden. Oh, no, no, no.

[Ocho]

He can run. For real?

[Ty]

Yeah, yeah, he can go now.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he can Scat.

[Ty]

He can go. Yeah, that was, that was a good thing.

[Ocho]

They get off the side and I know Jackson Dart wanted to, you know, he wanted to play well, but anything. He was playing well and then he just started turning the ball over and that fumble really hurt them. Scat Pack fumbled the ball and the guy runs it back 87 yard for the touchdown and they level look back after that. The Carolina Panthers overcame. That's. You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Ocho.

[Ty]

Oh, we talked about this game already.

[Ocho]

No, we ain't talking about it. Carolina Panthers overcame a 17 point first half deficit to beat your Miami Dolphins 27 to 24.

[Ty]

We need a little help, huh?

[Ocho]

Tua. 256, three touchdowns, clean game. But Jalen Waddle has 6 for a buck 10. Darren Waller had 5 for 78 in the touchdown. Devon A. Chan had 6 for 30 and a touchdown. Bryce Young 19 of 30, 198, two touchdowns. But it was Rico Dodell, daddy. 23 carries, 206. He's the third Panther to go over 200 yards rushing, 32 rushes, 239 yards. They play, if I'm not mistaken, they play the Cowboys next week, right? Doesn't Carolina play the Cowboys next week.

[Ty]

Already?

[Ocho]

Yeah, he said I'm gonna get. I say I want all that. He want all that. So hey, all right.

[Ty]

My Dolphin. My Dolphins be gonna be all right, huh? Dolphin's gonna be all right.

[Ocho]

No, y' all not. I don't know why you keep saying that, but y' all not gonna be all right.

[Ty]

Can I tell you something?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

The Dolphins are in a better position than the Ravens. You know that, right?

[Ocho]

Yeah. But the thing is that I just. I'm hoping you understand what you mean, better position.

[Ty]

A better position going forward.

[Ocho]

One about to get eaten by a crocodile, the other about getting beat. Eaten by a shark.

[Ty]

You think so?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

You say. You sound. You sound real confident.

[Ocho]

I mean. The Broncos. Ocho, Dylan Gabriel had a solid rookie debut despite the Browns losing. Dylan Gabriel was 19 of 33, 190 yards, two touchdowns, matching Joe Flacco touchdown throws on the season. With the defeat, Browns Quarterbacks are 0 and 17 in their first start since 1995, the longest streak since 1950, when quarterback starts were first recorded. Ocho, after watching him start early, after watching his first start, what do you think about Gabriel? What you like?

[Ty]

Dylan Gabriel looked good, huh? He looked really good. And Stefanski. Stefanski called one hell of a game, a very balanced game. The run, the pass was damn near equivalent. Dylan Gabriel, processing, dropping back, gone, mareed. Read one, read two, read three. Okay, it's not there. Boom. I'm dumping it off to the flat. Everything he did in today's game was extremely clean, extremely keen. Defense played well. They didn't get the win. But what I saw from Dillian Gabriel, and it pains me to say this as a Bengals fan, is he look effing phenomenal. He looked great.

[Ocho]

He looked poised.

[Ty]

They really have something good to build off of when it goes. When it comes to the film room, based on whoever they plan next week, he gonna be. He's gonna be fine. He's gonna be fine. Especially with the way he played and knowing Brian Flores and that defense and knowing how he can dial up that pressure and try to rattle a young quarterback, then it wasn't rattled at all. He handled everything extremely well.

[Ocho]

He did. He.

[Ty]

I thought.

[Ocho]

I thought he played well. And like you said, considering that what he was, who he was facing as the DC and the kind of exotic looks that Minnesota can throw at you and the kind of pressure they can generate, I thought he played. I thought he played really well. They did a great job of getting the ball out of his hand. Knew they were going to try to put pressure on him, try to disguise it. Judkins run the ball. Ran the ball extremely well. 23 carries, a buck 10. So they ran the ball well enough so you just couldn't pin your ears back and fly. Try to get the Quarterback. I like what I saw. I really like what I saw. Look, Carson Wentz played well. This is why you get a veteran like Carson Wentz, a guy that can hold the ship steady until your captain comes back. He called. He called a Ward getting sneaky. You see him run a three step. He run a three step. Go route on cover two and see what they read. You see what they ran. They ran what the defense call it a yogi. What we call it a stick.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And Ward was looking inside and saw the stick, and he saw what you call a pull up. He didn't realize he would throw the whole shot right behind him. That was a heck of a throw. Addison did a great job of staying wide. Cause that safety's coming.

[Ty]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

You do a great job of staying wide. Let him pick a Pin yourself to the sideline, because if you get too far inside going the other way, you'll kill shot. Great throw by Wentz. Great route by Addison. But I like. I like Gabriel. I like what I saw. Look, it's one game.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

But I thought considering on the road and, you know, overseas in London, Brian Flores can do a lot of different things and he confused a lot of quarterbacks, but I thought they did. I thought Cleveland did a great job putting Dylan Gabriel in a situation where he could have success. They didn't get the win, but if I'm Cleveland, I'm like, okay, I think we might have something without.

[Ty]

Without the win. I'm feeling good about that. I'm feeling good about that. Defensively, they can always handle their business. Offensively, that's always been a struggle. What offense are we going to get now? Get this offense that we saw today where there was a heavy dose of run, there was a heavy dose of pass, and he made all the right decisions with the ball and didn't put the ball in harm's way. We can live with that. Well, excuse me. Not we. They can live with that. Yeah, he looked good. He looked. He looked really good today.

[Ocho]

And it's reported, I guess Addison was benched because. I don't know. I mean, they talked about. Because I read in the paper that he played really well considering that he was benched. Now, I don't know the backdrop of the story. I don't know if he did something while he was over there in London. Maybe missed bed check, maybe he was late to practice, late to a meeting or something, but he was reported that he was. Go ahead.

[Ty]

I think it might be a continuous. A continuous on the suspension and them actually still having punishment. For him as well.

[Ocho]

Why?

[Ty]

You never know. You never know. Because if I'm not mistaken, I might not be wrong. I think he set out, what, the first quarter. I think he said at the first quarter or something like that.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ty]

I think he might have had to sit out the first quarter of the last game as well. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. I'm not sure. But when he did, when he was.

[Ocho]

Bench because he wanted to explore London and missed a walkthrough real. That is what is being reported. Ocho ain't nobody. This ain't college. He came off suspension. He was suspended for three games by the NFL. He played well. Why would. Why would I. Why would I suspend him again? That hurts me.

[Ty]

Yeah. Hey. Hey. Would you say he. He won the. What? He.

[Ocho]

He wanted to explore London.

[Ty]

Hey, you can't do that, man. You can't do that, man.

[Ocho]

I don't. You can't do that, bro. The last thing I would want to do is be alone, considering what happened to the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback. The last thing I want to be in a foreign country as an American. Yeah. I don't know if they noticed it, but we're not thought of too high in other parts of the world. It's just. I'm just throwing that out there, Ocho. Yeah, we're not.

[Ty]

We got to understand over in London, there's a lot of. A lot of us over there. A lot of. A lot of them. So he.

[Ocho]

We're not thought of very highly in other parts of the country, be it London, be it Ireland, be it anywhere. You are an American. Americans right now are not very hot. Thought of in a very high regard.

[Ty]

Okay, I understand.

[Ocho]

And there's a. And they probably said, look, security. We have security here. Just make sure X, Y and Z.

[Ty]

Right, right.

[Ocho]

Hey, that's his. Hey, he wanted to do it. He did what he wanted to do, Ocho.

[Ty]

Yeah, you're right. You can't do that, though. Hey, but one thing.

[Ocho]

Game of the day, though, Ocho. Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Seattle Seahawks.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Boy, boy, boy, what a game.

[Ty]

That was a good.

[Ocho]

Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold. Baker Mayfield 29 of 33. 379, two touchdowns, no interceptions.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Sam Donald 28 of 34. 341, four touchdowns. But it was that last turnover. He throwing. It looked like he had a First. Looked like it was going to be a touchdown. It hits the guy helmet. Levante. If you want. If you want to play well, the NFL. Look at everybody that came and talked to Ocho and I. Darren Waller had another touchdown.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Levante David had a big time pick. Go back. Look at the guy that talked to Henley been balling.

[Ty]

Hey, everybody having success, huh? Rashawn Gary.

[Ocho]

Who?

[Ty]

Gary.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Rashad. Yeah, yeah. Rashad Gary. Yes.

[Ty]

Damn. They got five sacks. Yes. We only in week five.

[Ocho]

Yes. This was an unbelievable game. 3835 Tampa. They scored 15 points and they scored 10 points in the second quarter, 15 points in the third quarter, 10 points in the fourth quarter. But it was the game winning kick. They win 38 to 35. And it seems like Tampa is always involved in games like this. Ocho, remember at the Atlanta game, I mean, all their games have basically they won have been three points or less.

[Ty]

Hold on. We got to talk about rookie Ibuka.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Abuka was crazy. Jackson, Smith and Jigba like, hey, it's the battle of Ohio State. Who better? Ibuka Mecca. Ibuka. Seven catches, a buck 63. One tub. Jackson, Smith and Jigba. JSN Eight catches, a buck 32, another tug. One had nine targets, eight catches. The other had was seven for seven. A Mecca, Abuka with seven targets, seven receptions, a buck 63. I mean, these quarterbacks were throwing the ball.

[Ty]

I'm like, bro, yeah, they letting it rip.

[Ocho]

Did anybody bring their defense? That's all I want to know. Did anybody bring the defense? Hey, or is it. Or is it optional?

[Ty]

I don't know. But I know one thing. These young receivers, I know we all talk about the same top five. And after the season ends, if JSN and Ibuka keep up with what they doing, we gonna have to have.

[Ocho]

Well, they tried to. They tried. They tried to crack that. They tried. They definitely tried to crack that top 10. Listen, man, we trying to get in the top five. What you talking about?

[Ty]

We have to have a conversation.

[Ocho]

Absolutely. And we're gonna have to have a conversation about Baker Mayfield being in the MVP discussion while you bull jabbing.

[Ty]

Absolutely, absolutely. Now, when it comes to the MVP discussion, also, we're going to need for Baker Mayfield. No Tampa, baby. Buccaneers to have those wins. That win. Caller.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ty]

He has to keep going. He definitely could be in that conversation.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. You know, I know right now that Josh Allen was the favorite heading into tonight. Justin Herbert was up there, but he lost. My homeboy always going to be in the discussion. That played Dak. Dak is throwing the football like you said. But at the end of the day, it's going to come down to wins and losses. Yeah. You could have stat. It's a stat based awards, but they want those stats to go towards winning.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And so when you look at it, it's.

[Ty]

It was. It was. If it was just based on stats. Hell, Burrow would have won the goddamn MVP last year if it was stats. Because we, we didn't have the W's.

[Ocho]

Levante David intercepted Sam Darnold with less than a minute left, setting up Chase McLaughlin's 39 yard field goal to earn a 3835 walk off victory. The Buccaneers became the first team in NFL history with four wins in their first five games of a season in which they were either tied or were trailing in the final minute of regulation. Seattle, I mean Seattle played well, man. I was like, well, damn, Seattle. Y' all got it like this.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And then Baker, like. I mean Baker had four incompletions.

[Ty]

Yeah, that's. That's crazy. Four.

[Ocho]

Sam Darnold had six. So the ball hit the. So they threw 67 times and the ball hit the dirt 10 times. Ocho, that's it.

[Ty]

You. I don't think. Do you know how insane.

[Ocho]

Let me take that back. It hit the ball nine times because one of them was intercepted.

[Ty]

You understand how difficult that is?

[Ocho]

Yeah, hell yeah.

[Ty]

It is for. For two quarterbacks. First round picks. Baker, Baker, Medford, Cleveland. Sam Donald, New York. And all of a sudden you get to the right situation and all of a sudden you flourish.

[Ocho]

Sam Donald was third in that draft. Baker Mayfield was first.

[Ty]

My bad, my bad, my bad.

[Ocho]

And Zach Wilson was second.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And then Sam Donald was third.

[Ty]

It's amazing what happened when you go to the right situation. Huh? Situation. Situations matter for sure.

[Ocho]

Absolutely. It. Absolutely, it absolutely does matter. But this was, this was a very, very entertaining game, Ocho. I don't know. They don't learn. But I'm gonna keep letting them do it. So they gonna learn the hard way. Because see, that's what life has a way of teaching us until we learn the lesson that it's trying to teach us.

[Ty]

Right, right, right.

[Ocho]

And you know, guys still won't learn. They want to drop the ball. They want to be all. Guy had a 70 yard touchdown. Cost him the game. Yeah, cost him the game.

[Ty]

That was at the Cardinals, right? No.

[Ocho]

Yes. Yes. Arizona Cardinals just suffered perhaps the worst, wildest loss in NFL history. They were up 21 to 6 in the fourth quarter. Fumble crossing the goal line. That was going to put them up 28 to 6. The fumble and an interception for A touchdown. Because think this, Ooh, they had, they got caused to fumble. He fumbled. Kick the ball into the end zone, they jump on and get a touchdown. So now it's 21:12, less than five minutes. Cal, after the game, I really don't know what to think about that. I don't even know how that's how to lose a game. 101. I don't know. It was crazy. It was. Arizona gave up a 213 lead to the worst team in football. Became the first franchise since 1970, the NFL AFL merger, to lose three straight games on game winning field goals. But all you got to do is look at De Bro. Yes. You cost him the game, basically. I don't know. So, so, so the ball was just so heavy, you couldn't take it another two feet.

[Ty]

Huh?

[Ocho]

The ball was just so heavy. Oh, he just had to drop it. Ocho, you know you're bringing groceries in and you Chuck, because I ain't trying to make but one trip. Yeah, I'm trying to get all the bags I possibly can. Once you cross that, I got 10 bags. Yeah, I got five and five. If I got 15, I got eight and seven. Right. And you know, sometimes, Ocho, you get, you like, see, Whoo. You gotta rest. So the ball was that heavy that he just had to sit it down before he got into the end zone.

[Ty]

Why is it happening so much?

[Ocho]

Because desean Jackson, you started his foolishness. DJ Started his foolishness.

[Ty]

Yeah, well, technically I started it.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In college.

[Ty]

I started there. Yeah, in college. But I, I left the ref behind so far he didn't even see it.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you did, you did. Threw the ball back. Yeah, I don't, I don't get it. Ocho. After. And we've, Ocho. And we've seen it so many times.

[Ty]

It just haven't lasted years. It just happened last year. We just talked about it.

[Ocho]

Yes, several times. But yeah. Oh, Ocho, remember the Colts, the receiver.

[Ty]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that just last week.

[Ocho]

Yes. Amar. Amari D. McArdo. 72 yard touchdown. He dropped the ball at the goal line. Mitchell did the same thing against the Rams last week. Ocho, how many times? At what point in time they need to start. You know what? And some of these, the players are so good, you just can't cut them. But bro, why y' all keep doing this? Y', all, you make SportsCenter for all the wrong reasons.

[Ty]

Reasons. Yeah. Damn, that's messed up. I, I, I just, that's messed up.

[Ocho]

49Ers beat the Rams in overtime. Oh, show. By the score of 26, 23, 49ers improved to 4 and 1, take over sole possession of first place in the NFC west while the Rams fall to 3 and 2 at the goal line. 3 down, 3 down, 3 points and about to score. Kyron Williams, he fumbled. Great punch out by the 49ers. They get the ball stuffed up, cuz look like the 49ers was going to potentially win the thing in regulation, but 49ers hold him out of the end zone there and then on fourth down. Oh, when the rubber really needed to meet. Meet the. Because it seemed to me they were going to go for it. I don't think they were going to play for the tie like we got Sunday night between the packers and the packers and the Cowboys. It seems like Sean. Sean McVeigh was hell bent. He wanted to win this game. Ocho, he really. He wasn't playing for no time and he went for it. The question that I have for you, do you like Sean McVay going forward on fourth down, or does he kick the field goal and give the 49ers because the next score wins the ball game?

[Ty]

Yeah, I kind of like. I like him trying to go for it. I want to get this game over with. We've had some mistakes, we've had some drops, we've had some penalties. We fought back to get back into the game. And I really want to end it right now. I want to end it so I have no problem with him going forward on fourth and one trying to end that game. Listen, it can go one or two ways. Either you get it or you don't. You didn't get it. The fact that he even had the balls and the gall to even go for it in that situation says a lot. And he's one of the few coaches in the NFL who can go for it and take that chance. Like a Dan Campbell, you know, he's one of the few can do it.

[Ocho]

I love that. I loved it also, Ocho, I'm not playing for a tie. I'm down there, I'm in a great position. And you look, look, you had an opportunity. You're right there to go line. You get a punch out, and now you're down again. And guess what, Ocho, If I kick the field goal, it's 20. It's 23, 20. Next score wins the ball, wins the game, and the 49ers are getting the ball back. Now you can say, well, they might fumble it. Nah, I'm not taking that chance. I'm down there. I believe in my offensive line. And, and, and. But look, Robert Sala guess right, he sold out on that side and they stuffed him. I mean, it wasn't even close, Ocho. I mean, they. I mean, as soon as it happened, bam, Bam, guess what? 49ers start spilling out on the field. They know. I mean, the Rams ain't no. I would. Hey, let's get a measurement. The fish is already like, it's over. Going the other way, going, hey, these quarterbacks were dealing tonight. Oo. Matt Jones, 33 of 49, 342, two touchdowns, no interceptions. Matthew Stafford 30 of 47, 389, three touchdowns, no interceptions. I mean, it really was a clean game. With the exception of that one fumble by Kyron Williams. That probably is no way to know. But it didn't help them.

[Ty]

No.

[Ocho]

I tell you what, we can't say it cost him the game, Ocho, but it damn sure did not help them win the game. And the 49ers have to feel good losing a game like they lost on Sunday. On a short week. You're down, Purdy. You're down. All these guys. Bosa is not coming back. Look at all the guys that they had injured tonight. And to have guys step up and rise to the occasion and play as well as they did on a very, very short week. Look, I understand, Ocho. It's not like they had to go cross country. Look California. But still, you get a short day, a day less to work because you have to travel. But I thought the 49ers, given the situ. Given the totality of the situation that they're in, I thought they played extremely well tonight. Oo. And I think Kyle Shanahan should be very, very proud of his ball club because they did play well tonight and they found a way to get a win against a division opponent.

[Ty]

Yeah. Not only should Kyle Shanahan be proud of his ball club, he needs to take a bow himself with the play calling. Some of the stuff he did with all the injuries that you just talked about that have mounted up. No Ricky Purcell, no Brandon Ayuk. No George Kittle from offensive.

[Ocho]

Juwan Jennings is out.

[Ty]

Juwan Jennings is out. And the.

[Ocho]

Excuse me. Bosa is not coming back.

[Ty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But from. From an offensive standpoint.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. All you get.

[Ty]

Yeah. Brother Kendrick Bourne. Brother Kendrick Bourne.

[Ocho]

I know you're going to see this career night, Ocho.

[Ty]

Salute. On a career night. Obviously, we had some drops last game to have a Short week and come back and rebound. And for Mac Jones to be able to have the confidence to keep getting and feeding you the ball. And another thing I want to talk about, the quarterback situation. Tonight's game is a perfect example of the definition of next man up. When you look at a game like tonight and see what Mac Jones is doing, having a resurgence in his career. Which is why I also think where quarterback go situation matters. We saw Mac Jones do it tonight. We see Daniel Jones do it in Indianapolis. We see Baker Mayfield do it over there. Goddamn. In Tampa Bay. Sam Donald going from Minnesota to Seattle and still doing it. Now, I think where quarterbacks go and what they have surrounding them, including those calling the plays, is so important to.

[Ocho]

A quarterback success the most.

[Ty]

Yeah. And that, dude, they, they look really good. This is a really, really good game. The Rams didn't really help themselves either with some of the drops, some of the mistakes, some of the fumbles. But hey, this, this was probably one of the better, one of the better Thursday night games we've gotten so far.

[Ocho]

The quarterbacks were dealing. Ocho. Look, I, I, you know, I'm not big on hyperbole and I said this at the time.

[Ty]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

I thought the 49ers should have drafted Mac Jones because it's hard for me to, I, I really can't, I really can't differentiate between the two.

[Ty]

Right.

[Ocho]

Are you trying to tell me that you believe if Kyle, if Mac Jones had been in this system for the entirety of his career? Because we saw what he did when he had Josh. Josh, Josh McDaniels. Yeah, we saw what he did year one.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And you're team to the playoffs was a pro bowl player. Are you telling me if he has Kyle Shanahan for four years, he's not as good, if not better than Brock Purdy? And guess what? If you take and I get, I get why they didn't. Because when you look, when you look at a guy, nothing jumps off at you. He doesn't have Lamar Jackson's speed, he doesn't have Josh Allen's height, he doesn't have Patrick Mahomes arm. So why would we take a quarterback that really, Ocho is just, he's average with the third pick in the draft. But what you wouldn't have had to do is give up all the draft compensation. So imagine as well as they do drafting what you can put around it. And guess what? Even if he doesn't pan out, Ocho, you go back and you get you another quarterback. Or you could go back and get you another quarterback and still guess what? You don't have to spend damn near $300 million.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Me personally, I believe Matt Jones in this system. I'm not talking about in this system with Kyle Shanahan with all think about all the pieces that he had. Ocho.

[Ty]

Oh yeah.

[Ocho]

When he has Kittle, when he has Debo, when he has IU, when he has Jennings, when he had Christian McCaffrey and he got Trent Williams playing at playing Trent, not this guy that's beat up. He's trying to work himself back into conditioning and in his form. It's hard for me to believe that Mac Jones is not as good if not better than Purdy. And for me I would have taken him. But I understand why they didn't. Because the measurables when you look at it, Mocho, you like that is not the third pick in the draft and you draft took a guy with the third pick in the draft because of the measurables but it was the seventh round draft pick that really saved Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch's job.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Because you give up that kind of compensation Ocho and that guy doesn't work out and he didn't work out.

[Ty]

Right.

[Ocho]

You gone.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

What you think? You think, what you think? Do you think, do you think Mac Jones Purdy similar? Purdy is better. Substantially better, A little bit marginally better. What you think?

[Ty]

It's hard to really decipher between the two on who's better or not because when Brock Purdy is in there, he's the rhythm and time and quarterback as well. When Mac Jones is in there, he's a rhythm and time and quarterback. Well, both suit the system very well. Really. Not dual threat. Not dual threat quarterback?

[Ocho]

Hell no. It ain't no dual threat.

[Ty]

They are your. Your typical system west coast type off of the quarterbacks that are dropped back sometimes in a shotgun and they deliver everything off of timing and they may they make great throws and they're accurate. They're accurate enough. What they lack in, in being able to escape, escape the pocket or use their legs running, they make up for in other areas. No, I was just gonna say they both play well doing exactly what's asked of them in that specific system.

[Ocho]

When you're not that big as far as physical size, Ocho 6 4. You don't have rocket arm. You don't have Lamar Jackson's mobility or Michael Vick's mobility. You have to have great anticipatory skills.

[Ty]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Look at Joe Montana. Joe was not overwhelming. Didn't have the big time arm. He wasn't the greatest athlete, but his anticipation skills was tremendous. Brock Purdy, great anticipatory skills. Mac Jones, great anticipatory skills. Because you got to be. Because you don't have the ball to wait. You've got to get the ball out. You have to anticipate where the guy's going to be and like, you know what? Have the trust. I trust the system. I trust the guy that I'm throwing to that he's going to be where he's supposed to be. I understand the defense. I know where I'm vulnerable. I know where guys are going to disperse to. I can let this ball go. That's just me. You can't convince me that Brock Purdy is substantially better than Mike Jones. I refuse to believe that. And I believe in the same circumstances, if I had Mac Jones with Kyle Shanahan, I believe whatever fate the 49ers had gone through over the last four years, that same fate would have happened to them with Mac Jones. Ocho.

[Ty]

Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because what we saw, the small sample of Mac Jones right now, since Purdy's been out, it's been the exact same. The offense has been efficient. The offense up and down the field, they put up points and it showed the night to where? Next man up. That's why I said to start the show off, is this was the definition of next man up and not missing the beat. Now, I wish other teams were able to do what we're seeing tonight from the 49ers. Hell, like hell. We got the goddamn Detroit Lions here in Cincinnati at Paycor Stadium when Joe Burrow goes down. I wish we still had the same type of success they had tonight where you don't miss a beat just because your quarterback goes down. But unfortunately, it's a little different. It's a little different from.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Cause your guy ain't that good. And I tried to tell you that. And you got the Bengals, fan. Your Bengals, you got them all hyped. I trust Jake. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Ty]

Slow down, slow down. Let's, let's, let's. There are other. There are other elements.

[Ocho]

I don't want you to talk about no other team. As a matter of fact. Why are you talking. I don't want you to say foot or ball. You got another week. You can still got. Let's see, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Oh, and if you don't win on Sunday, it's another week.

[Ty]

I gotta. You know what? I got a question for you.

[Ocho]

What?

[Ty]

You understand how the Football gods work, you know, when it comes to the game of football in the NFL, it's week to week.

[Ocho]

Well, this ain't gonna be y' all week. This ain't gonna be y' all week.

[Ty]

What happens if just. I'm just hypothetically speaking, chat those in the chat, Hypothetically speaking would happen if the Bengals shocked the world and beat the Lions.

[Ocho]

If a dog had a square butt, he poop blocked, but it's round, so we know how it will come out, don't we? Don't we know what come out of with y'? All?

[Ty]

I'm just saying. I could be optimistic. I could be optimistic. Now, I'm not saying we gonna win. I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking, if the football of the football gods decide to shock the world, I'm just saying.

[Ocho]

Nah, he busy that day. He ain't gonna be watching, I promise you. God ain't no bingo fan. He ain't watching that game. He ain't watching that massacre at Paycor Stadium.

[Ty]

Hey, listen, I don't know about Masker, but we gonna put up a fight.

[Ocho]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. If the fate is the same, what. What does it matter?

[Ty]

I mean, listen, I. I got to have some type of. I think we gonna be all right. I believe in us. That's all that matters. There's a reason I'm in town. I had that pep talk with the boys. I think we're gonna be all right.

[Ocho]

Mac Jones, after the game, was asked after the game by playing Hobbit. He replied, I'm good. I just can't show it. That's on me. I'll be fine. That's what happens when you don't practice for a couple of weeks. So that's my fault, you know? Look, Quarter. It's hard for quarterbacks. There are other positions, Ocho.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

That can miss practice. And you can't tell when they get into a game.

[Ty]

Right.

[Ocho]

It's hard for a quarterback. That's why a lot of quarterbacks like to wear their pads, Ocho. Hey, they tell us to take our pads off, we can't wait. We can't wait to lead them mofos.

[Ty]

In the locker room.

[Ocho]

Quarterbacks like to throw with their pads because guess what? They gonna throw with their pads. They're gonna have so they want the same feel, they want the same rhythm as if they're throwing right with pads, because that's how they're going to throw in the game.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And so Mag's like, you know what? His fighting senses probably wasn't Tingling. Look at the next four games, Ocho. Week six at Bucks, then week seven at home. Home to the Falcons. Week eight at Texans, week nine at the Giants. So it's not like they got an easy schedule coming up. Now, I don't know how long Brock Purdy is going to be out, but they look, they got 10 days, so that's a long time for Purdy. He was out this week, Ocho. So he gets. He got an extra. You know, he basically got two weeks because he hadn't, you know, probably done anything since Sunday's game. Mac Jones, he gets 10 days because they're off until, you know, they don't play Sunday. Obviously, they play a week from Sunday, so they get ample time to get some of the guys. Some of these guys that's banged up, Ocho, they get an opportunity to get them back healthy. You see Mike Jones fit. We got that. We got that.

[Ty]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That red. That red with a little burgundy in there.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Let's see what. Let's see if it. Can we pull that video.

[Ty]

He was clean now. Hey, listen, that's a man that came for business now.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ty]

Hey, that's a man. Hey, that's. That's two face.

[Ocho]

That's a man. Be hanging around brothers.

[Ty]

Hey, he clean. That's a man that came for minutes.

[Ocho]

I like that. I like that. I like that.

[Ty]

Matt, as clean as he looked, that's exactly how he played.

[Ocho]

He played his ass off tonight.

[Ty]

Played exactly like that. He scared me a little bit when he went down and I see.

[Ocho]

He grabbed his knee brace, Ocho.

[Ty]

Yeah. I thought it was pinching him a little bit.

[Ocho]

Yes, yes.

[Ty]

When you get tackled, the goddamn knee brace start pinching you. So when they're pulling this calf, I was like, what? It must be either. Either the knee brace is pinching him or he cramping one or the other.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And the little calves he got, it, ain't they. That won't even hurt nothing because he got. First of all, he got a knee brace on. So that calf is not as strong as what it needs to be because he wears that knee brace, Ocho. You know what I'm saying? You got to build strength back up in that calf in order for it to. But he played. He played his tail off. I mean, both quarterbacks play well. Don't get me wrong. Both quarterbacks played well. My concerns with the 49ers, Ocho, without both in the game, they really couldn't generate no pressure.

[Ty]

Pressure. Yeah.

[Ocho]

They really couldn't Generate any pressure. And the last thing you want a guy like Matthew Stafford to have is time. Yeah, because he was dealing, man. He was. That joker could throw that Ocho. Can he throw it away? I might take that back. I would play with Matthew Stafford. We keep talking about. Shannon, if you could come back and play. And we keep talking about Mahomes and Burrow and Herbert and Allen and this one man, give me more for Matt Stafford. Why y' all out there bumping them?

[Ty]

You talking about, you gotta think now. Matthew Stafford is a legitimate gunslinger. It's only about four, four, maybe four quarterbacks in the league right now that have the kind of ball Matt Stafford throws with that kind of velocity and can make any throw on the field, any throw, even. Even though Aaron Rodgers is old, he's one of them. Matt Stafford is another. I'm trying to think gunslinger. Gunslinger.

[Ocho]

You see the difference? When I think of gunslingers, I think guys that'll take unnecessary risks. That's really not what Aaron Rodgers is. Now, Aaron Rodgers can make every throw. Matthew Stafford can make every throw change arm angles. Both guys can change arm angles. But sometimes if you look at the interceptions for Matthew Stafford, you look at the interception for Aaron Rodgers and you'll see a vast difference, because Rodgers was really never willing to take unnecessary risk. Matthew Stafford, he believed he could throw a football through a keyhole. He damn sure. How you gonna get a football through a keyhole? Let me show you. And he would try it. Now, he's gotten better now. Can you imagine how. What he would have been had he had Sean McVay his whole career? But he could throw it, Ocho. I mean, he can flat spin the ball. And now I expect him. When I watch the game, I want to see one time where he look over here and throw the ball over there.

[Ty]

Wait a minute. He did that against. He did that.

[Ocho]

He didn't do it tonight.

[Ty]

He didn't do it tonight. I remember he did it against the Bengals in the super bowl when he drew.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Oh, he did it.

[Ty]

He did it.

[Ocho]

He did it two weeks in a row. And he's running down the field because he's mic'd up. Don't look at my eyes. Don't look at my eyes. Don't effing look at my eyes. But, hey, but this was this. I think when the NFL envisioned. Look, they tried to. They tried to make these game, division match, divisional matchup, Ocho. So they're really close. Nobody's having to go a great distance, right? You don't want somebody on the west coast having to go east all the.

[Ty]

Way to the right.

[Ocho]

Right, right. East coast having to go west or you let it be close proximity. It's already tough enough playing. I can just imagine because I didn't really start to feel good good till Friday. So I can imagine playing a game on Sunday, then turn around playing a damn another game on Thursday. And especially as you got older, Ocho, it took longer and longer to get that old man up out there to recover. Yeah. But this was. This was an unbelievable ball game. Thank you, NFL. Thank you, Rams. Thank you, 49ers, because you guys played your ass off on a very, very short week. This is the type of game that we want to see on us on a Thursday.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

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