BEST OF NFL Week 6 Part 2: Dolphins collapse continues, ARich STRANGE injury, Cowboys UPSET

Summary

Club Shay Shay: BEST OF NFL Week 6 Part 2

Host: Shannon Sharpe ("Uncle")
Date: October 15, 2025
Guests: Ocho (Chad Johnson)

Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into pivotal NFL Week 6 matchups and storylines, focusing on the Cowboys' defensive struggles, the Panthers’ resurgence, Dolphins' locker room concerns, and bizarre injuries – particularly Anthony Richardson’s. Shannon Sharpe and Ocho provide candid takes on player accountability, team-building philosophy, quarterback value, and the sometimes cruel randomness of football luck.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Cowboys Exposed: Defensive Meltdown Against Panthers

• Panthers 30, Cowboys 27: Major upset and damning indictment of the Cowboys' defense.
• Rico Dowdle's revenge game: Former Cowboy racks up 183 yards (total team rush: 216 yards, 4th time Cowboys allow 144+ rush yards this season).
  • "It wasn’t nothing cute about him today. Rico Suave—nah, was nothing cute about Rico today." — Uncle (03:33)
  • "He was gonna—you know how you do. You know how difficult that is, to call your shot... tell people to buckle up and then actually go out there and do it." — Ocho (03:48)
• Persistent Defensive Woes: Three different coordinators, same core players, same issues.
  • "At some point in time, we got to start holding your players accountable. Because we quick to blame that coach, that coordinator... Go ahead." — Uncle (01:41)
  • Ocho agrees: tired of blaming only coaches/system, highlights how it's always "never the players" (02:02).

Segment Timestamp: [00:00–06:15]

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2. Dak Prescott: Victim of 'Empty Calorie' Stats?

• Dak playing "clean" and "earning the $60 million" (06:00)
• Team game, but defense is not holding up their end
• Sharpe’s food analogy: stats without wins are “empty calories.”
  • "I'm gonna get in shape, eat healthy… bro, you go eat Twinkies and Ho Hoes. All the meals is empty calories. They satisfy your craving, but they add absolutely no nutritional value. That's what those stats are." — Uncle (06:15)
• Dak has to play perfect because the defense is "atrocious" (07:02).

Segment Timestamp: [06:00–08:25]

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3. Cowboys Roster Construction: Too Light to Compete?

• Dallas defense is undersized, built for leads, not for trench warfare.
  • "They got. They ain't got no bricks in the back pocket. You can't drop anchor with them little light ass guys they got up there, man. They got guys back pocket shaking hands. They so small in ass." — Uncle (14:09)
• Ocho dreams up the idea of trading for Titans' DT Jeffrey Simmons to anchor front line (14:29).

Segment Timestamp: [08:26–18:32]

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4. The Value of a Franchise Quarterback: Lamar Jackson & the Ravens

• Ravens collapse without Lamar; offense is “Lamar-centric,” falls apart in his absence.
  • "It lets me know how valuable Lamar Jackson is. ... Let's say Lamar Jackson doesn't play the rest of the season. I say, what, maybe one in 16?" — Ocho (22:54)
  • "No, because the offense is Lamar centric. So it's going to be hard to win when you build your offense around the guy and that guy's not in there." — Uncle (23:39)
• Ravens offensive stats without Lamar are bottom-tier; community effort doesn’t fill the void.

Segment Timestamp: [22:01–30:15]

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5. Unusual Injuries: Anthony Richardson’s Orbital Bone Fracture

• Strangest pre-game injury: Stretching with resistance band; band snaps, hits Richardson in the face, fractures orbital bone.
  • "Anthony Richardson fractured his orbital bone when he had an issue with the rubber leg band..." — Uncle (30:56)
  • Both hosts have never seen such a thing in a young athlete, only recalling similar incident with elderly Harry Reid (34:20).
• Discussion about the randomness and danger of exercise bands.
• Shannon shares his own orbital floor fracture story, humorous “cyborg” jokes ensue.

Segment Timestamp: [30:49–39:14]

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6. Quarterback Context Matters: Daniel Jones Flourishing in Indy

• Jones compared with other QBs (like Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold); success highly dependent on situation.
  • "It needs to be studied. ... It's all about where you go." — Ocho (39:14)
  • Jones has parlayed opportunity with Colts into a potential big payday.

Segment Timestamp: [39:14–40:48]

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7. Steelers Ascendant; Browns Searching for Answers

• Steelers dominate Browns: 4–1 in division; Browns stuck in years-long offensive rut.
  • "Pittsburgh division to lose, Ocho." — Uncle (41:20)
• Browns' struggles at QB highlighted; defense strong but no stability at passer position for years.
• Miles Garrett’s frustration over losing while cashing big checks:
  • "Miles, this is what you signed up for. You took the money… you knew they were not going to win. You can't say it gets old when you took the money." — Uncle (44:59)

Segment Timestamp: [41:14–47:58]

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8. Dolphins' Collapse and Locker Room Issues

• Tua calls out teammates for showing up late/missing player-only meetings after another late collapse.
  • "We have guys showing up to player only meetings late, guys not showing up... Do we have to make this mandatory?" — Tua via Ocho (56:31)
• Ocho: Tua’s public criticism is dangerous territory—“that's almost like snitching ... you don't go tell the media."
  • "You can't throw your players under the bus like that… they're not going to like that." — Ocho (57:36)
• Sharpe: True leadership is handling issues in-house, owning mistakes.
  • "When things aren’t going well, you take it on yourself. … When things are going well, you praise everybody else." — Ocho (60:10)

Segment Timestamp: [56:15–63:44]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "You can't stop a parked car. ... That's secondary. I'm like, you can't stop what? A parked car?" — Uncle on Cowboys D (07:02)
• "At some point, Jerry has to understand—his defense is built... to play with a lead. ... But they ain't got no bricks in the back pocket." — Uncle (14:09)
• "Lamar Jackson basically puts his team on his shoulders every week." — Ocho (22:54)
• "Jerry don't care about winning, Ocho. We've determined that. Jerry don't care about winning." — Uncle (14:24, echoed 17:39)
• "You get him out there to test. ... He has what they call functional speed. He has football speed." — Uncle on George Pickens (16:19)
• "The situation that Baker Mayfield in, the situation that Sam Darnold is in... Dan Jones going from the New York Giants... Needs to be studied. It's so important. ... It's all about where you go." — Ocho (39:14)
• "When things aren't going well, you take it on yourself. When things are going well, you praise everybody else." — Ocho (60:10)
• "We can be friends or we can be friendly. They're two different things." — Uncle on locker room dynamics (63:35)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00–06:15 — Cowboys' defensive collapse and player accountability
• 06:16–08:25 — Dak Prescott critique & team letdown
• 08:26–18:32 — Cowboys' roster construction, need for size, potential trades
• 22:01–30:15 — Lamar Jackson’s value & Ravens without him
• 30:49–39:14 — Anthony Richardson’s freak injury & Shannon’s orbital fracture story
• 39:14–40:48 — Daniel Jones’ Indy turnaround; environment matters for QBs
• 41:14–47:58 — Steelers rise, Browns QB search, Miles Garrett accountability
• 56:15–63:44 — Dolphins’ late game collapses, locker-room leadership, Tua’s public criticism, final thoughts on team culture

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Tone and Style

The discussion is lively, often hilarious, and relentless in its honesty—Sharpe and Ocho don’t mince words but blend critique with deep football insight and plenty of NFL locker room wisdom. Their banter keeps the recap flowing, and they are unafraid to call out underperforming teams, coaches, and even ownership.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This recap covers all the major storylines: how the Cowboys are spiraling on defense despite multiple coordinator changes; the Panthers’ surprise physical dominance; how a team's roster construction can undermine even good QB play; the difference a franchise QB like Lamar Jackson makes; the randomness of football injuries; and the fragile culture in Miami as the Dolphins’ season tilts—and their locker room gets called out by their quarterback. If you’re a fan who wants insight into why teams win or lose beyond the box score, this episode delivers.

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Transcript

[Uncle]

Foreign. Last week, Rico Daddell ran for over 200 yards. He knew the Cowboy was on the schedule. They asked him, he said, tell him to buckle up. Yeah. They didn't buckle up. The Cowboys beat the Panthers. Excuse me. The Panthers beat the Cowboys by the score of 30 to 27. Another game in which the Cowboys defense were exposed. Brian Schottenheimer stood up for his defensive coordinator, Matt E. Flutes. The Cowboys allowed 216 rushing yards, a season high, led by former Cowboy Rico Dowell, who had 183 yards on 30 carries. It marked the fourth time the Cowboys had have allowed at least 144 yards rushing this season. It's also the fourth time this season the Cowboys have allowed at least 30 points. It was also the fourth game they have recorded one or fewer sacks. Now, I remember Ocho, because, you know, Michael. Michael couldn't stop the run. And you know, Dak is indispensable. And Dak is playing well. Yeah, Dak is playing well, absolutely. But Dak is under the same situation that your quarterback was under last year because his defense is so putrid. If he punts the ball when he gets it back, if he had a lead, they either gonna be tied or they're gonna be closer than they were when he punted the ball. Yeah, because his defense can't stop anybody. That defense is atrocious. Now. They keep blaming. I don't know what it is. They fired Mike Nolan. They said it was Mike Nolan. Now, some of those players were still there when Mike Nolan was there. They had Zim. It was him. He wasn't no good. They got Mike Eberfluz. So they've had three or four different coordinators. And a lot of those same players that were there are still there. Now, I want to know, Ojo, at some point in time, we got to start holding your players accountable. Because we quick to blame that coach, that coordinator, that, this, that, that. Go ahead.

[Ocho]

It's the coaches. It's a scheme, but it's never. It's never the players. Which is why I'm tired of hearing that. I'm trying to hear. I'm tired of hearing that. Especially out of the five, one, three all the time. But we'll get to that game in a minute. But I said this before the season started. Huh? People laughed at me when I said my surprise team. I had two. I had two. One was the Bears and the other one was the Carolina Panthers.

[Uncle]

Yeah. I told him, I want you to.

[Ocho]

Watch out for the Panthers. I want you. I want you to watch out for Bryce Young. Watch out for the defense and watch out for the. I mean, watch out for the receivers. And what are they doing? You saw what they did to the Panthers. I mean, excuse me, you saw what they did to the Atlanta Falcons not long ago. You saw what they did today. Young Bull. Young Bull do. I don't want to. I don't want to butcher his last name. Running back.

[Uncle]

Do.

[Ocho]

How you say it the right way.

[Uncle]

People say daddy, but I think they say. I think it's dowdle.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Or daddy.

[Uncle]

I've heard it both ways. I don't listen to the broadcast. So chat. Y' all would have to. Have to tell me how to say it as on the broadcast. How do they say it? Do they say Dale or they say do.

[Ocho]

You know, people don't play by their last name now.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, but listen, boy, he. He was on a mission. Yeah, he was on a mission.

[Uncle]

It wasn't. It wasn't nothing cute about him today.

[Ocho]

Oh, no.

[Uncle]

You know Rico. Rico Suave. You know, Rico. Supposed to be cute. Was nothing. Was nothing cute about Rico today. He told y' all this. Ocho, this man called his shot.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

This man said he was gonna do.

[Ocho]

He was gonna. You know how you do. You know how difficult that is to call your shot in the middle of the week before the game and tell people to buckle up and then actually go out there and do exactly what you're gonna do, which is the reason why you said you need to buckle up on the ground. Catching the air, man. Man, Dowdale was all over the place.

[Uncle]

He was. Yeah, yeah, but I thought that. But I was like, hey, they say daddy, but. But Ocho. Yeah. At some point. At some point, yeah. Jerry has to understand his defense is built. They're undersized. When you have an undersized defense, what does that mean, Ocho? You're built to play with a lead because you want to eliminate the run game because you're 14, 17 points up. They're not going to run it. Now you use those underside guys to stream up. To stream up field. Okay? What happens when you got to sit your light ass in there and catch? They ain't got. They ain't got nobody to hunker down. Jerry, I'm very disappointed in you because everybody. You. You yakking. You win a game, you yakking. You had a tie ball game and they couldn't get him out the podium. Hell, they thought it was a ring master. Hey, hurry, hurry. Step right up now. Carolina, don't put foots in your Butt. Now, you. Jared didn't speak to the media. Why not?

[Ocho]

Oh, he.

[Uncle]

Oh, no, he didn't speak today. Absolutely not. Why do you want to talk? Yeah, exactly. Front running now. Oh, oh, hold up. You remember a couple. You remember. What was it last week? And then.

[Ocho]

You.

[Uncle]

Oh, you went out on your. You see what I'm talking about? Now look at it. Everything that went wrong. Well, you know, Michael wasn't good against the run. Okay, Michael gone. What's your problem now, right? Well, we didn't go that far when we had Michael. Okay? How far you gonna go without him now? Cause you're two, three, and one.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, if they. If they're gonna have a shot. Now, I know we didn't get to it yet, but offensively, we'll get to that in a minute. But boy, that boy, Dak. Well, he earning every bit of that 60. He earning every bit of that 60 or whatever.

[Uncle]

Empty calories, Ocho. Empty calories. If you go. If you say, you know what? If you say, man, you know what? I'm gonna get in shape. I'm gonna get in shape. I'm gonna eat healthy. Yeah, bro, you go eat Twinkies and Ho Hoes. All the meals is empty calories. They don't do nothing for you. They satisfy your craving, but they add absolutely no nutritional value. That's what those stats are.

[Ocho]

But you got. You gotta understand, listen, I'm. I'm doing my job. I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. This is a team game, right?

[Uncle]

So, yeah, you're supposed to win.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that. That, too. But to give. I need y' all to stop something over here.

[Uncle]

They're not.

[Ocho]

I need y' all to stop some over here.

[Uncle]

I will say to his credit, though, Ocho, he hasn't turned the ball over.

[Ocho]

No, no, no. He playing clean. He playing.

[Uncle]

I will conceit. But. But it's hard because he knows he has to be perfect.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Because my team not gonna stop anybody right now. Right? Hey, right now. We can't stop a parked car. We already. So our. You know that going into the ball game. I already know what I'm up against, man. That's secondary. Look, I'm like, you can't stop what? A parked car? I don't know if Diggs. I don't know if Diggs is still hurt. He's still. He not the same. Diggs don't even look the same to me. I know Dig Diggs better than this. I don't know if that injury. If he's 100 recovery. Because I know he's, you know, you know, they find him 500,000 because he wasn't around or whatever's going on. But he does look. He was always a cluer. He was always a guesser. Yeah, and. And. And look, now, he got. He got incredible hands. He get his hands on the ball, he coming down with it.

[Ocho]

And most of. The. Most of the times when he does guess, he guessing the right way because he know what's coming.

[Uncle]

No, not anymore.

[Ocho]

Inside of the ball. He didn't look. He didn't look the same today.

[Uncle]

He ain't looked the same in a while. Yeah, he ain't look the same in a while. And. And the defense. And. Because, look, they got those guys, those Ed. Like I said, teams just gonna run the ball. And now when you run the ball, you're gonna have to drop the safety down. And now you don't really have no help over the top.

[Ocho]

Ain't none at all.

[Uncle]

I mean, if they ran the ball 38 times for 216. Think about you dead last in total yards. You like 24th in rush yards allowed. You probably dead last. The points. Where are they in points allowed? Because they gave up 40 to the Packers. They gave up 30 today. They gave up what, 24. They probably average giving up 24. They're close to the bottom. They. They 28 through 32 in points allowed.

[Ocho]

Listen, don't be. Nobody should be surprised if you. If you're in the chat tonight. I'm sure you're a faithful fan even, and you've been watching for a very long time. I told you before the season started, I told you about them Panthers. Everybody laughed at me. Outside of Panthers fans, everybody laughed at me.

[Uncle]

Oh.

[Ocho]

Oh, man, they.

[Uncle]

Sorry.

[Ocho]

They this, they that. I told you, you know, and I kept. I'm gonna remind you again. Hey, keep pounding.

[Uncle]

But see, here's the problem that I have. Ocho, what happened? You see, at some point in time now, you're gonna have to. Like when you get the ball.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

You would have to keep putting points on the board.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

You can't be content when you got a lead. They punt the ball. You got to go get points again because, you know, that was an anomaly that your defense stopped them. What's the likelihood your defense is going to pitch a shutout the second half?

[Ocho]

Not happening.

[Uncle]

They gave up. They gave up seven. They gave up 10 points in the fourth quarter more times than not. Yeah, they scored three in the fourth quarter. So they scored 10 and they gave up 17. Bryce Young, 17 to 2017. To 25. A buck 99, three touchdowns, one pick, sack one time for five yards, 38 carries, 216 yards. George Pickens playing his ass off.

[Ocho]

Hey, well, you. Well, you see. Wait. Remember we talked about. Remember I told you you weren't gonna have no issues out of my. Out of, bro. Yeah, I told you that. Not that conversation. George, I know you're gonna see this, boy. I love you, but I love you. I told you.

[Uncle]

It's okay.

[Ocho]

It's okay.

[Uncle]

This is. This is why Your team is 2, 3 and 1. The Cowboys dead last in total, D dead last in pass, D dead last in third down percentage, second to the worst points allowed, averaging 30.7 points a game.

[Ocho]

Damn. Wait. Offensively, I'm sure they look high. They way higher.

[Uncle]

Yeah, you ain't overcoming that.

[Ocho]

No, you can't. You can't because you think about what.

[Uncle]

You got to think about, Ocho, in order for you to have. They give it up 30.7. So in that order for you to be winning, that means you got to score 30.8.

[Ocho]

Yeah. A game.

[Uncle]

A game.

[Ocho]

That's very difficult. Very, very difficult. What do you think makes the perfect snack? Hmm, it's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.

[Uncle]

Could you be more specific? When it's cray venient.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Uncle]

Like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter, available right down the street at am, pm. Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at am, pm. I'm seeing a pattern here. Well, yeah, we're talking about what I crave, which is anything from am, pm.

[Ocho]

What more could you want?

[Uncle]

Stop by am PM where the snacks and drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's Cravin AM, PM too much good stuff. They got the second best offense. OO fourth in points. They fourth in points, 29.7. So you give up one more OO. See, man, we were close. All I need to do is score one more point than you, and that's what they average. Guess What? They score 29.7, they give up 30.7. So guess what? If you score 29, I score 30. Who. Who win?

[Ocho]

You know, that. That situation right there to give people a better perspective, to give people better context. It sounds like another team. When my quarterback is healthy, we go through that same issue. Yeah, we score on 30 a game when everybody is healthy. Shoot other teams scoring 32. We score 40, they score 50. You can't win.

[Uncle]

Well, you saw it last year, y'. All. Scored 38. Y' all lose 41. 38. Y' all score 35. They score 38.

[Ocho]

Well, Jerry said Michael was the problem.

[Uncle]

I don't know. Jerry didn't say. Jared, Jerry didn't say anything today. I want to know. See front running now, see all that? You all out the window in the owner's box. You all like, oh, we just having a good time. We have, you know, the Cowboy fans, we traveling. The Cowboy fans, we just having a good old time. Yeah, I ain't see. Hey, this all. This is what you saw up there. This is what you saw today. Ocho.

[Ocho]

In.

[Uncle]

In the flight school kids, when it's rated outside and you ain't got no recess.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you got to sit there and look out the window. You know, something like this. How do you fix. How do you fix that, though? This is just not a one player issue defensively. This is not.

[Uncle]

You gotta get. You gotta get better players. You gotta get better players. Look, the NFL, and it's hard to get them now because you got what you got, right? But you have a team. You have a. A team that's built on playing with the lead. Well, if you can't get the lead, Ocho, you can't just turn them loose. Because if you just run your ass up the field, they're gonna just run where you were left. So you. You catch it. They too small. They got. They ain't got no bricks in the back pocket. You can't drop anchor with them little light ass guys they got up there, man. They got guys back pocket shaking hands. They so small in ass.

[Ocho]

Hey, matter of fact, you know what? I'm thinking about it. If I was Jerry. Now, listen, I'm. I'm putting my owner's hat on. I'm putting my owner's hat. I need to get someone anchor that front. Someone that I could build around, and he could be that centerpiece for me.

[Uncle]

Jerry don't care about winning. Ocho, We've been. We've been determined that the Ocho that Jerry don't care about winning. Right.

[Ocho]

I'm just. I'm just hypothetically talking. Hey, Chad, tell me what you think right now. Tennessee Titans. I'm going to get Jeffrey Simmons to anchor my defense and build from that. Build from there out, build from the inside out to start over. What you think I'm going?

[Uncle]

Well, George Pickens gonna want a lot of money. George Pickens gonna want at least DK money.

[Ocho]

Oh, and he. He gonna get DK money. Okay, let me show you. Let me see what's Let me show you what's gonna happen or what can happen.

[Uncle]

Okay.

[Ocho]

CD Lamb, who's considered the top five quarterback, who's considered a top five receiver when we talk about receiving, when he goes out.

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Let me show you what I can do. I can pick up right where.

[Uncle]

Oh, he's been sensational.

[Ocho]

Show you what I can do. If I get the opportunities that I deserve that I should have got when I was in, you know where. I'm not gonna bring them up. Bring them up.

[Uncle]

But I can do the same thing.

[Ocho]

I can put a number two. I can take you deep, or I can take a slant to the house. Man, stop playing with me. This is what I do.

[Uncle]

If he get his hands on the ball and he face your ass up, it's a rap. Good luck getting out there, getting his ass on the ground.

[Ocho]

That is a rap. Is a rap.

[Uncle]

He reminds you of a smaller version of T O. You remember how Tio ran angry?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

If Tio got the ball in his hands and he faced you up a rap. You, not you right here in front of him. Not getting him on the ground. You better hope that. Hey, I'm. Hey, come on. Which way you go. I'm gonna try to hold him out. Come on, man. Damn. I can't hold him here forever. You break. Help come. What the hell, man. And that's how y'. All. That's what they have to do with Pick. Yeah. If he get the ball in his hands and he turns around and square your ass up, it's a rap.

[Ocho]

And then. And you know, it's funny. He's faster than he look because he plays fast.

[Uncle]

He might not be. He might have not. I don't even know what he ran. He might have ran 4. 4. Ocho. But there's. There are guys that might not run fast, but play fast. That's Jerry. Jerry didn't run fast, but he played fast. Emmett didn't run fast, but he played fast. He has what they call functional speed. He has football speed.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

You get him out there to test. But, boy, man, mofo, I told you.

[Ocho]

Listen, I told you before the season started.

[Uncle]

You did. I am. I'm glad, because I'm like, bro, you got to make this money, bro. You got an opportunity to make $200 million to set your family up for generations and generations. I mean, there might be a George Pickens, the fourth to say, my great, great granddad. Put me and. Put me and put this family in position, bro. Don't waste that day. Don't, don't. Don't, don't, don't mess up your money with some foolishness. The best thing to happen. He needed to get out of Pittsburgh. He needed to change the scenery. And sometimes that's what, that's what it takes, Ocho. Sometimes it takes a change of scenery. Sometimes it takes somebody, him or her to get into a new relationship in order for them to be their very best.

[Ocho]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I'm, I'm glad for him.

[Uncle]

But again, I know I'm, I'm happy. But the Cowboys, I, they. Jerry don't care about win. Oo. We've decided this. You and I, we talked about this for years. Jared cared more about money.

[Ocho]

Yeah, we, we, we understand that too. But I, I'm thinking from a defensive perspective with them being dead last in every category and every statistic and every metric and every standard when it comes to football Week six, November's coming up deadline. You never know. If you were to make some, some type of hasty move, I would love to see them. It probably won't happen. I'm just thinking I'm putting my GM hat on. I'm going to get Jeffrey Simmons, you know, quality top three defense, defensive tackle in the NFL. Right, right now, to this day. Boom. I'm putting you right there. And I'mma build around you. I'm. I'mma build around you.

[Uncle]

Yeah, but that's just me.

[Ocho]

Chad. What y' all think? Chad?

[Uncle]

I know their linebackers aren't very good. Oo, their linebackers not very good. They ain't nothing. They ain't got no plug. I mean, look, Sam Williams, they got guys try to rush off the edge, but I'm talking about like, like a, like a mic backer.

[Ocho]

Well, hold on. Understand. Let me tell you something. You might not like what they have right now because with that backer had, that Mike backer has in front of him is lighting ass. Now what happened if you go get that big 98 from goddamn over there in Tennessee and you get, you get, you get, you get to be able to.

[Uncle]

Why I want to get. Why I want to give him up to you. What you going to give me, huh? One of the first round picks that you got from the Packers?

[Ocho]

Maybe we can. Hey, listen, if I, if we, Jerry, we can negotiate.

[Uncle]

But Jerry don't like that, Ocho. He don't. He don't want to give up. He likes, Jerry likes to develop players. So Jerry, Jerry, Jerry has gotten burned in free agency and so he's like, he's done with it. He's. He's done with it. He's not gonna. He's gonna get guys that he go get the Jadavian Clowney and, and, and Clowny had. But Clowny, he not gonna. He's not gonna move them. He's not gonna move the needle. Right?

[Ocho]

He's not the Clowny of old.

[Uncle]

No, no, no, no. And we had that discussion. We don't think he ever lived up to what we thought he was going to be. He was in the draft with Khalil Mack. Khalil Mack turned out to be the better player. That's what. What, what. What he. What Khalil Mack is. That's what we thought Jadavian Clowney was gonna be. Right. Based on what we saw in college, you probably gotta go back to it in Dominican, sue. To find a guy that raised hell, now dominated the. Dominated like Jadavian Clowney did his sophomore year. His junior year he was just trying not to get hurt.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Uncle]

So he didn't play like he did his sophomore year. But go back and look at Ndama Kinsu last year you was like, okay, that's the best player in the country. I forget who won the Heisman Trophy that year. Sam, I think. Was it Sam Bradford? Sam Bradford one. That was the Endomican. Sue was the best player in the country that year. Yeah, that's what we thought Jadavian Clown was going to be.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Uncle]

But we'll see what Jerry's going to do right now. I mean, it would have been. I've been lovely to hear from him.

[Ocho]

But.

[Uncle]

Unfortunately we did not hear from him. Ocho. Ocho. The Rams stuffed the Raven 17 3, dropping the Ravens to 1 and 5 since the 14 team playoff format started in 2020. Only one team, Washington, in 2020 started 1 in 5 and made the playoffs. The Ravens have been outscored 9833 in the past three weeks. Only glimmer of hope is Lamar Jackson could return from his hamstring injury after the Week 7 buy. Baltimore committed three turnovers, including an interception and a fumble by Cooper Rush, who was benched in the fourth quarter for Tyler Huntley. The Ravens three points are the fewest home since 2002 when the Buccaneers shut out the buck when they were shut out by the Buccaneers 25 to nothing. I was gonna say I wasn't on that. I was looking. I don't remember being a bucket. But anyway. Baltimore has lost it's past six games without Lamar and failed to score more than 17 points in each D hop. Bad football gets you to 1 and 5 so whatever you put out there, that's how football works.

[Ocho]

Can I tell you something?

[Uncle]

Go ahead.

[Ocho]

Before you even go, we. I expected the Rams to do this. I expected the Rams to do this, especially the way the Ravens looked and where they're ranked statistically on defense. Can't stop the run, can't stop the pass. So I understood a high volume passing team with staff was going to come out there and do exactly what they did. Now, on the other thing, thing on the other side of things, as much as I want to make fun of you and your Ravens, I'm not. You know why I'm not? Because them being 1 and 5 lets me know how valuable Lamar Jackson is. Yeah, valuable that team is. Let's say Lamar Jackson doesn't play the rest of the season. I say, which y' all go, what, maybe one in 16? You know, there's, there's a possibility that may happen. There may be some games where, you know, Cooper Rush or Tyler Huntley come.

[Uncle]

In and nah, Cooper Rush ain't it. And I told him at the beginning of the season, right? I mean, y' all remember Cooper Rush. I mean, Cooper Rush had y' all food.

[Ocho]

Jerry said he was it. Jerry. Jerry said it was a good chance he could be the future star of the Cowboys. But that's neither here nor there. It lets me know how valuable Lamar Jackson is. You mean to tell me that Lamar Jackson basically puts his team on his shoulders every week and goes out there and wins with this team? He's the reasons why we are able to go and compete week in and week out. Even with the, the shortcomings, when you get to the playoffs, he still gives us our best chance. So what I've seen from the Ravens so far, when Lamar went out, even when, when he was in, they, they still had a chance. But him with it, with him being out, you don't stand a chance to do nothing.

[Uncle]

No, because the offense is Lamar centric. So it's going to be hard to win when you built your offense around the guy and that guy's not in there. Yeah, like you said, they weren't winning very many games with Lamar in there this year. Cooper Royce, 11 of 19, 72 yards, man, threw the ball 72, 19 times, had 72 yards. So there was 26, there was 21 of 34 collectively for 117 yards.

[Ocho]

And also not just talking about the quarterback too. The other players on offense, you have to raise your level of play because you don't have, you don't have eight back there because you don't have eight back there. You have to bring your level of play up to par to hide the weakness.

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Quarterback is out. Zay baby Z. Boy, you that boy. You have to take over in situations like this when you get to. I mean, I see out there trying to make them plays, trying to do extra, trying to add that. That spark to that offense. You know, it's just everybody bateman d. Everybody has to. It has to be a collective effort. Okay? We don't have our quarterback. That means all of us, we got to play damn near perfect. You have to. Especially. It's the NFL.

[Uncle]

Especially turnovers.

[Ocho]

Yeah. You're not going to recover because with them turnovers, they getting points off them turnovers.

[Uncle]

They're not. Because they're not. They're not good enough to overcome that.

[Ocho]

Come it. Yeah. Yeah.

[Uncle]

That's the problem, Ocho. People saying, I snitched. I didn't snitch. We had the meeting because Mike called the meeting. Right. Mike knew he wasn't in the meeting. I told him what I recommended. Cause I didn't want him to like, man, hey, for me to be talking to him. And all the while I recommended that Mike suspend his ass for a game. So I told him.

[Ocho]

You told him, Right? Right.

[Uncle]

Yeah. It wasn't no snitch. I snitched on myself. I snitched on myself. If you want to say something. Because whatever, normally, whatever happened in that meeting, it stayed in the meeting, right?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

I just wanted him to know that was my recommendation.

[Ocho]

People are holding you accountable to street guidelines. And this ain't the street life. Yeah.

[Uncle]

If I go. If I go tell you what I told somebody. How's that snitching? I told you what I told them.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Normally a snitch don't come back and tell somebody. Oh, man, you know, I told such and such on you. Yeah, they don't do that.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

It was a meeting. We had a meeting. What was going to be the punishment? Clearly, finding him wasn't getting the message through. Right.

[Ocho]

Because he kept doing the same thing.

[Uncle]

He kept doing the same thing. This is what I recommended. Now, he didn't take my recommendation, but I told him, I said, this is what I recommended.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, uncle. You would have told me that if I was on your team. You would have told me.

[Uncle]

I would have told anybody.

[Ocho]

Hey, I would probably just dropped you on the spot. I would have had to whoop you.

[Uncle]

Okay, well, hey, we gotta fight every day. Guess what? You'd have missed that next game. I guarantee you, you wouldn't even miss. You wouldn't have been suspended.

[Ocho]

I would have missed in that game.

[Uncle]

Boy, we tore that locker room up. I guarantee you, we would've tore that locker room up. Oh, we. We gonna tear that locker room up for sure. Damn. We're gonna take the locker room. Derrick Henry had one of his best days. Oh, y'. All, 24 carries, a buck 22, and you only get three points. You ran the ball really well. I mean, think about it. You have more rush yards than pass yards. That's bad. And like I said, I think they got a bye week. So. So he'll get an extra week off. Lamar get extra week off so he could come back out of the buy, right?

[Ocho]

I mean, do. Do you want him to come back out of the buy? Being that you really don't have a chance at doing anything. Can they string off seven to eight games in a row?

[Uncle]

They can. Yeah. Yeah, they can. They have that kind of Billy Ocho. I mean, that's Lamar. You believe in Lamar?

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, I believe.

[Uncle]

Okay, then will you believe they can run off three?

[Ocho]

You see how they look without him?

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Okay, you right. That's crazy.

[Uncle]

The thing is, is that you probably gonna have to win that division because it looks like. Look at the AFC West. Kansas City, Denver, the Chargers. Could you possibly get. You got AFC south right now? Indy looks good. And Jacksonville, even though Jacksonville. Hey, hey, hey, Duvall, y' all want us to talk about the Jags today? Cause y' all got mad at me, Ocho. Y' all don't never say nothing about the Jags, y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Uncle]

The Jag, Jag, Jag. Okay, Where y' all at? I ain't see not one person mention nothing about the Jags.

[Ocho]

We talk good about the Jags, but.

[Uncle]

No but oo. That was the thing. People want us to talk about the team when they. When they 2 and 12. What we gonna say? Whoa, Jack, Jack, Jack. Okay, y'. All. Hey, Duvall, where y' all at? Y' all wants to talk about the Jags? I don't know, Joe. They're gonna have to put some. They're gonna have to put some stuff together, man. Yeah, Derek Henry can get. Can get hot. He had Lamarck and carrier team. Ocho. They did it last year.

[Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Uncle]

They did it last year.

[Ocho]

Absolutely. I just. I just. A lot of people that. There's really nothing. There's nothing bad. You can. Obviously, you can pick and talk about Lamar Jackson and what he can and what he can't do and, you know, no playoff success, but Lamar being absent, it shows you how valuable, how good of a player he is that the team is not even functional offensively without him there. No. And how important the quarterback position is as well, and why he makes and commands the kind of money he's making. You take a Lamar Jackson out, you see what you get. You take a Joe Burrow out the equator and you see what he get. Josh Allen, obviously he hasn't been hurt, but I'm sure they wouldn't be able to function as well offensively. It just, it changed the dynamic of everything that makes your team who it is. When these top, top tier quarterbacks are no longer available for your team, had.

[Uncle]

The defense been playing as well as they played today, they held them to 17 points. You know, normally, Ojo, they give up 40, they give up 30s. Yeah. If they had been playing that well, maybe they won a few more games. Get this game here, Ocho. I'm trying to join you see. Oh, here it is right here. I thought. Damn it disappeared on me. You don't want me to see. I'm gonna get it, though. I'm gonna find it.

[Ocho]

Who that? Who that.

[Uncle]

Ocho? I don't know if you've ever heard of something like this, but it happened during the quotes. Colts pre game warn up, warm up. Anthony Richards. Richardson fractured his orbital bone when he had an issue with the rubber leg band. So you know, how you doing? The stretch band and stuff like that snapped. Ah, if I'm not mistaken. If I'm not mistaken, Chad, you can correct me. I think there was a situation where, rest his soul, Congressman Harry Reid had a very similar situation using the exercise band. It snapped, popped him in the eye, and I think he lost division in the eye. Then to make matters worse, Travius Ward was warming up on the field. He collided with Drew Ogle tree, suffered a concussion. He missed the game.

[Ocho]

Hey, have you seen something this happened before?

[Uncle]

No.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I've never seen nothing like that happen before. Now the band and the stretching and it pops. I understand that.

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Ocho]

I understand that. Now that could. Now that can happen because it's happened to me before, but not to where you know it.

[Uncle]

Right.

[Ocho]

Anywhere in the face. But hey, it depends on what band you're using, you know? You know, they got the thick bands. They have the thing.

[Uncle]

Yeah, yeah, but they have the little, you know, the ones that they have for pt, Not. No, not those thick, like.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Uncle]

Weight lifting bands.

[Ocho]

Right, right.

[Uncle]

You know, that we tax that we attach to the barbells and stuff like that, you know, to get extra tension. These are the bands that they, you know, you know, you be stretching to do it like that. And you see, you see the guy, like, loosening up with him, huh?

[Ocho]

Yeah. I thought he broke his orbital bone.

[Uncle]

Yeah, it's, it snapped.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I don't. Those little PT bands can't do that.

[Uncle]

Yeah, well, that's what did it.

[Ocho]

Okay. Damn. That's Unless unlucky, man.

[Uncle]

But, but like, about how, how many times, you know, people have been using those and stretch and after a while.

[Ocho]

Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle]

I would. Oo, you know, you know how you get the medicine balls. Oo. And you slam them down.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

And some of them are bounce up to you, and some of them, you have to bend down to pick them up.

[Ocho]

Pick them up. Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle]

And we was in class one day and this lady got one that she didn't realize it, that it was going to bounce. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hit it right in the nose.

[Uncle]

Slammed it and stood over it, made up. I bet that thing hit her in the face about four times. About four or five times. Ocho, he like, oh, oh, oh. I was in C.

[Ocho]

You laugh at the lady, you ain't going to help her.

[Uncle]

I know. I was like, I was like this.

[Ocho]

Here.

[Uncle]

Because it's something like you see in the cartoons, man. You know, the cartoons do it and everything. That's how it was. But it was real life. I was like, oh, my goodness.

[Ocho]

Oh, hell, no.

[Uncle]

Yeah, that's funny, man. What you call them? Anthony Richardson got buzzard Look.

[Ocho]

Yeah, man. Yeah.

[Uncle]

I mean, you got. I mean, do you understand how unlucky that you have to be for something like that to happen? I mean, you hear stuff like that happen. Locho, you know, you read like such and such happened. Because I remember, like I said, I think Congressman Harry Reid had something very similar to happen, but he was like, elderly. He's probably like 80 years old. 80, 85 years old. Maybe even older when that happened. But a young man, something happened like that, man.

[Ocho]

Gosh. And I'm trying, I'm trying. Listen, I, I, I, Obviously I wasn't there. I wasn't there to see it. I'm just confused on what exercise you might have been doing, what stretch you might have been doing for that to be even be possible.

[Uncle]

You know, he might have been out. He might have been laying on his back.

[Ocho]

That's right. That's right.

[Uncle]

And then, you know, like you said, maybe it was one of those, one of those thicker bands.

[Ocho]

And, you know, the funny thing about it is when it pops, you don't know it's going to pop. And you don't have the quick tips, the quick tip, quick twitch fibers to be able to react fast enough.

[Uncle]

Oh, no, no, no. That thing snap, that pop.

[Ocho]

It's a rap.

[Uncle]

You only real, you only react after it's done happen.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle]

You know what I'm saying?

[Ocho]

Oh, just a thought of that. Just thinking about that.

[Uncle]

Damn. Hell yeah. Ant Man. So hopefully Anthony Richardson can, you know.

[Ocho]

I hope it's okay.

[Uncle]

I, I, you know, I'm telling. That's, that's pain. I fractured my orbital, so I know the pain, man. It felt like a, you know. Well, the doctor said it was like if I was in a bar fight and somebody kicked me in the eye. So I had a complete, or I had a complete blowout of the orbital floor. Because your eye sits in a socket.

[Ocho]

The floor. Yeah, right.

[Uncle]

My floor was completely gone. So my eye dropped like three and a half, four millimeters.

[Ocho]

Ah.

[Uncle]

So they have to go in there. So that's why it's really hard. But I, you know, I'm constantly like, my nose because I got a plate, I got a carbon fiber plate, right. My eyes actually sitting on a carbon fiber plate.

[Ocho]

It's about like, hey, this is interesting. I like that. You know, most, most high end, most high end vehicles have carbon fiber, you know, on the outside and kids.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So you got it, you got it in here?

[Uncle]

I do.

[Ocho]

Okay. Okay, okay. Yeah.

[Uncle]

But the only thing is, man, and the thing was Ocho, you know, had, I was congested. My sister said, man, you ought to use a neti pot. I said, what's a netty pot? It's like a netty pot where you pull, pour water, saline water, salt water up one nostril and let it, you know.

[Ocho]

You tried.

[Uncle]

It got infected. The, the bacteria got caught, got caught in that mesh. Look like somebody, somebody, somebody punched me in the eye. I closed up. I ain't know what I. Oh, it got so effect that I ended up, I ended up, I ended up having a mercer. I was in, I was in, I was in the hospital for like four days.

[Ocho]

God damn.

[Uncle]

Then they sent me home with a pig line. I was getting a thousand, I was getting a thousand over a thousand milligrams. I was doing like two hot bags of IV of just antibiotics. Vancomycin. Oh, yeah. So pick line. So I got the thing, the pole riding around and it going straight, going straight in there to try to get it up out of there. Yeah, cleared it up. It took me like two weeks to get over it, right? Got another cold, closed back up. Went to the doctor, he says, we're gonna have to change this plate. He said, don't ever use. He said, don't ever use a neti pot again. He said, you got. I gotta be careful. If I blow my nose, my nose will start bleeding. Hey, this is.

[Ocho]

This is interesting to me.

[Uncle]

You.

[Ocho]

Damn. You like RoboCop?

[Uncle]

Yeah, I am.

[Ocho]

If you go through the metal detector, does that. Does it go off or. No?

[Uncle]

No, it doesn't go off, but I got the artificial hips and they always, you know, they go off.

[Ocho]

Oh, you like, you like. You like a cyborg? Okay, I like that.

[Uncle]

That's dope. All I know is that every time I go off and they, they said that little. What you call them? What that they showed a little red. Mr. Sharp. You. As you can see right there. I was like, yeah, I know. So they gotta.

[Ocho]

Hey, my dog. Okay.

[Uncle]

Yeah, man, I had. I had a bad. But hey, well, I was messed up, man. I was messed up. Daniel Jones finished 22 of 32 12, two touchdowns and interception. And he gets credit for a fourth quarter game winning drive when he helped engineer a nine play, 66 yard drive that ended with a decisive touchdown with 432 remaining. Only two quarterbacks have led Colts to five wins through six weeks since 2000. Peyton Manning and Daniel Jones.

[Ocho]

Unbelievable. I don't, I don't know when I talk about quarterbacks and I say situation matters, where you go, your environment, the weapons around you. As some people say. Oh, coaching matters. Well, listen, coaching only matters when you have players like this. The situation that Baker Mayfield in, the situation that Sam Darnold is in again for the second time, obviously the situation in Minnesota, now you see what he's doing over in Seattle. And now Dan Jones going for the New York Giants, which wasn't going well, and what he's doing now and goddamn Indy. It needs to be studied. It needs to be studied. And it's so important. Not going high in the draft, forget what number you go. But going to the right situation, where you go. Yeah, it's all about where you go.

[Uncle]

It's more important where than. Ha ha.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And. And Daniel Jones is showing that he, He's. He's.

[Uncle]

He's played unbelievable. Indiana Jones has been great. He's parlayed himself into a. He's gonna have. He's gonna get a big payday. Ocho. If he keeps this up, he's gonna have a ginormous payday.

[Ocho]

I have a question. The funny thing about it Is. Is he's gonna get a huge payday or the Colts going. The Colts are going. Definitely going to be the team to keep him because now he's auditioned. Might need a quarterback as well. You know that, right? Who he's auditioning for other teams that might be in need of a court.

[Uncle]

Letting him out the building. We got him. Okay.

[Ocho]

I'm just. I'm just making sure he definitely getting that bag.

[Uncle]

But a team that we did hear from today. Aaron Rodgers threw two TDs as the Steelers continued their home dominance over the Browns. By the score of 23 to nine, Steelers seemingly. Ocho. Yeah. On cruise control. They're four and one in the division. Cleveland, one in five. Baltimore, one in five. I think one in five. Cincinnati has lost, what, four straight? So now they're two and four.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Pittsburgh division to lose. Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah, absolutely. And honestly, I don't see. I don't see him losing it. And I can say, yeah, I can say this as.

[Uncle]

As.

[Ocho]

As much as I love my Bengals, I don't see him losing it now. I saw some, Some. Some. Something nice. We'll talk about later when we get to the Bengals, but goddamn Aaron Rodgers got them boys playing on all cylinders, especially on offense. Playing on all cylinders. As good as that defense is over in Pittsburgh with the names that they do have, once they start gelling and playing that good football the right way that no, we know the way we know they can play, they gonna be fine. As long as Aaron Rodgers is playing like Aaron Rodgers is playing now, they always gonna be in contention and they're going to be hard to beat. Forget right now. I ain't talking about week six. I'm talking about when real football starts after Thanksgiving, getting into the postseason when it's cold and you got to go over there. It ain't called Hines Field no more, huh?

[Uncle]

I think it is.

[Ocho]

It's still Hinesville. When you got to Hines Field, well, you ain't gonna be able to throw the ball 50 times a game. You're gonna have to put it on the ground. And you got Cam Haywood, you got goddamn TJ Walk coming off that goddamn end. And damn, I forgot young bull name. Was it Smith? 56. 56 high Smith. Yeah. Oh, man. Stop playing, man.

[Uncle]

Hebri. Yeah.

[Ocho]

It ain't nice. Now then. Then the back end really ain't got no weakness.

[Uncle]

Ojo is called Acrisure Stadium. Not no longer Hines Field. Acrisure Stadium.

[Ocho]

Who the hell is Acrisure?

[Uncle]

Don't start me. The line.

[Ocho]

I. I tell you What? And I mean no disrespect to Acore. I like to say Hines Field because that's where I played at.

[Uncle]

I played the Hines Field and I played the Three Rivers, the old Three River Stadium.

[Ocho]

So when they had. When they had the carpet, it had the carpet.

[Uncle]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was still. Yeah. And the stadium. The stadium would be bouncing. I mean, you. I mean, you could literally see it. It's bouncing up and down. It started rocking. The Browns offense failed to eclipse 17 points for the 11th straight game. Dylan Gabriel, 29 of 52, 221 yards, six sacks, six times. How do you. So you mean to tell me your guy. You gonna let your guy in his second start, you gonna let him throw the ball 52 times against that defense on the road?

[Ocho]

Well, Unc, it's hard to run on the Steelers, huh? It's hard. It's hard to run on the Steelers. So the other. The only other viable option is. Is you got to throw it. And when you think about Dylan Gabriel, when you watch him in the games where he's had success, anything outside. Inside the numbers, inside the hashes, he's really good. It's nothing. Nothing really long, you know, Sometimes you get some. Some. Some short digs. Some. Some.

[Uncle]

Yeah. If you know that, guess who else knows that. That he's good inside the numbers on short stuff?

[Ocho]

The other team?

[Uncle]

Yeah, exact. Exactly. Yeah, that's. Think. Oo. Think about it. You threw the ball 52 times and you only had 221 yards. Yeah. Hey, you missed 23 attempts, bro. I. Cleveland, if y' all trying to get the number one pick, just say that.

[Ocho]

Whoa. No.

[Uncle]

They have to fight the Jets.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no, no, no. They. They want the number one pick. For what? To get what? Quarterback? Because ain't nothing we don't see no Saturday that's willing to wait for. No, absolutely not.

[Uncle]

I guess they want that. That. That pass rushing number six from Miami and pair him with Miles Garrett. I don't know. Maybe trade it for some more players.

[Ocho]

Okay. I like you. I. I see where you're going. I like. I like what you think. I like what you're putting up.

[Uncle]

Hey, Miles. Garrett said losing the same way is frustrating. Miles, this is what you signed up for. You took the money. I got no problem with that. Ocho. I have no problem with that. But Miles Garrett knew they were not going to win. They really haven't won since he'd been there. They've gotten worse. Right? So you can't say it gets old when you took the money. You said you wanted a chance to win. They dangled $40 million per year, gave you 100 plus 105, 110 million fully guaranteed. You took the money. So now you can't complain, because you knew what made you trust them, that they were going to be able to do something in one to two years they haven't been able to do in your tenure since you've been there.

[Ocho]

That's a good one, you talking. But you know, that wasn't it. You know why there was no guaranteed money left.

[Uncle]

I know. I know what it was. I said, look, he ain't got no guaranteed money. He won't guarantee money. He. He gonna say I won't out. When really he won't guarantee money. I get that, Ocho. I get it. I do. And Chad, I don't want y' all to think I don't understand, but don't complain. When you said, you said you wanted a chance to win, you said you wanted to compete. You knew, with the exception of that one year, you guys haven't been able to compete. And you trust this organization to build, to build pieces around you and do the right thing by getting a quarterback. You trusted them.

[Ocho]

No, they have a bad history at that specific position, the one position you need to be able to compete to be able to contend. The identity for the Cleveland Browns has always been their defense.

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Ocho]

The hard part has been finding quarterback that is good. Not great. Just good enough to consistently not only keep you in games, but win games. When you're in certain situations, especially games that are close, you just have. You can go through a string of maybe four weeks, five weeks of really good. I'm talking about consistently throughout a season, especially when it matters most. You haven't been able to find that.

[Uncle]

No. And I'm supposed to trust you that you're going to find that. But. But what he's finding out, Ocho, is that money really can't buy happiness. When you are competitor and you want to win and to go out there and beat. Yeah. Guess what? That direct deposit is going to hit every Monday. Or if you get paid on the 1st and 15th, that deposit is going to hit. But them losses, they hurt. I guarantee you, when you out there taking that. L, I, I have never one time, like, man, that check gonna be in my. That check gonna be. No, I'm going to get my check. So I ain't. I just got direct deposit in 2016. But anyway, I never thought that, hey, I'm gonna go upstairs tomorrow and get that Paycheck. I didn't think about that.

[Ocho]

We don't think like that.

[Uncle]

We don't? No, we don't. When the L's start that add up. Oh, I've been losing, lost six games in a row. Seven games in a row. Man, please. You out there practicing and then guess what, guess what's about to happen. Oh, tell them what's going to happen in Cleveland. That temperature about to drop, it's going to get cold. It going to get cold.

[Ocho]

Get cold.

[Uncle]

And guess what? You get cold. Now you out there practicing in the 20 degree and then come Sunday you practice, you playing in 20 degree, 15, 10 and you catch an L after L. After L after l goo. Dylan Gabriel completed four passes over 10 yards in the air today. He threw the ball 52 times, but Kevin Stefanski kept him in the game for the entirety of the game.

[Ocho]

But I just told you, they, they, they don't, they don't you see how they protect Justin Fields when it, when, when they're going to the end of the half because of the decision making, we don't know what he gonna do with the ball. So how do you hide the quarterback weaknesses, whatever weaknesses he may have that we can't see. Now you and I know he can't throw outside the numbers. He can't be on the left hash and throw an ATR comeback on the right side.

[Uncle]

Oh hell no.

[Ocho]

That's not the type of quarterback.

[Uncle]

He will come back the other way for a touchdown.

[Ocho]

So you, you have the call plays that are predicated to his strengths. His strengths are throwing intermediate and short routes. So therefore you call plays based on what he's able to do extremely well. Now that's no knock on him. That's no knock on him. So what we of you, that's all what we're asking you based on what you can do. Well for us offensively, that's what we're going to do because that's what you provide for us as a quarterback. Now that limits your playbook. It limits what you call, it limits some of the things you like to do as opposed to other quarterbacks that have the arm strength or, or the, the or, or the prowess to be able to open up the playbook and do, and do more. That's what you have to do. So I mean I, I didn't, I didn't want to say it like that. I thought everyone else could see that and understood that especially when you watch him play some of the, some of the plays of the call now some, some frustrations Might, might arise with, with maybe Jerry Judy.

[Uncle]

Jerry Judah had 13 targets, called five passes. Fanning Jr. Had 10 targets, caught seven and Joku has six, caught three. Damn. Ocho. I had more DK4 catches, man. He had a goalball.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

And Roger and the wind caught, brought it back. I mean, he was like, he was like five yards in front of the db.

[Ocho]

Yeah. It was a rap. Hold on, wait. He caught one deep ball on that.

[Uncle]

He caught a deep ball. That was later. But he ended up, but he had one that have been. That was a show enough touchdown and Rodgers put it up and I guess the, the win caught it because Rogers, he turned around and looked up like, damn. I ain't know. I ain't know. It was like, like that. Okay, But I, I o, I, I don't, I don't know what Cleveland's doing. I don't know if they're trying to get, if they're trying to get the number one pick. No, they're gonna have to fight the jets for it.

[Ocho]

There's nothing out there. This is, this is no knock and chat. Y' all know. Cause y' all watch college football. There is nothing out there that is glaring. Where it's like where teams are clamoring for those who are in, in situations like the Browns or let's say like the cowboy defensively. Where. You know what? We got to have him. We got to have him. So we're going to do what's necessary to make sure we're in position to be able to get him. It's nobody like that right now. There's nobody popping out on film. It might be some off of the tackle or some defensive tackles that we don't know about. But the skill position, the quarterbacks.

[Uncle]

Oh, they need to go get that Cowboys. They need to trade the two draft picks they got.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

This year. And to go up there and get that, that guy from Miami. Bang. Junior.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey.

[Uncle]

Do you need a hellraiser like that? Those are the type of guys that change your future, that change your fortunes. That's what they need.

[Ocho]

He nice.

[Uncle]

Hell yeah. But I, I, I don't, I don't like Dylan Gabriel. Thor letting Dylan Gabriel throw the ball 52 times, bro. He threw four passes that had 10 yards of air distance. He completed four passes over 10 yards in the air today. So everything is checked down. He dinking and dunking or checking it down now.

[Ocho]

You know, there's no digging and dunking. Can work. It can work depending on the. You, you can be efficient digging and Duncan. But at some point, once the boys say, you know what? We coming up, we can be able.

[Uncle]

To put the ball over the head, though, at some point in time. You got to put a. Man, you got to put. You got to put somebody under a threat.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Fear. You got to put. Fear.

[Uncle]

You got to put. You got to put. Oh, if I don't, bro, I'm.

[Ocho]

I'm sitting on.

[Uncle]

Everybody used to play the Raiders and the Chiefs. You had to throw in the. In the first 10 plays, you had to throw a go ball or them both going to sit right there on everything. On everything you played. The Raiders, when you play, had a tmac and they had Albert Lewis. So we went over there and they had Dale Carter in Kansas City, and they had a. What's. Oh, I forget the guy's name. Lord have mercy. If you did not move them, if you did not throw a goalball, it's like, look, we ain't trying to complete it, but you got to put fear on them. Cause, boy, they ain't moving. Keep them thinking they not moving. Yeah, man, I. First of all, y', all, we know y' all not gonna throw it deep. You know why we know y' all not gonna throw it deep? Because we know y' all don't have a really offensive line that can hold up to throw it deep. And second of all, if you do throw it deep, guess what, Ocho? You ain't right no running game. So what am I stepping up to stop the run for? Yeah. So with that being said, now we squatting on everything. Prove to me I'm wrong. I dare you. He had 12 carries for 36 yards. He might have got hurt in the game. I was. You know, I was back. I was back and forth, man. It's hard for me to stay. It's hard for me to stay interested in that right there, Ocho. It's hard. You know, I watched the series, and I'm like, bro, what is this?

[Ocho]

Yeah, I thought they would. I thought they would have leaned on him a little bit more. So I thought, well, maybe he's hurt. Maybe something's wrong with him.

[Uncle]

Him.

[Ocho]

But if your quarterback isn't as good or you're not able to do some of the things you want to do to make sure you're able to be competitive. You want to hide him by running the ball a little bit more. You want to. You want to put that load and that onus on that. On the. On your running back to be able to get things going or to make it easier. Forget balance. You Got to be a run. Yeah, you got to be a run heavy team first. You, you got to be.

[Uncle]

I ain't trying to do no balance. You ain't got no balance with that right there. I mean, Jalen Ramsey had two sacks. Jaylen Rams. Jayla Rams said, I'm gonna try to get me 10 sacks as a corner. Hebrick had two sacks. Uh, Highsmith had a half, had a half a sack. TJ had a half a sack. So they have six sacks total. Six tack six sacks total. But I don't know what Cleveland trying to do, but whatever it is, they need to stop.

[Ocho]

You know what? You know what? It's almost unfair. It's almost unfair to have to judge Gabriel against that damn defense. It's almost unfair. I know it's your division opponent, but hell, it ain't that many people that look good against the goddamn Steelers and the quarterbacks that do. You know, they in conversations of, of the epislon of quarterbacks when it comes to being able to dismantle that damn defense.

[Uncle]

Oh, Joe. The Chargers. Yeah. Beat the Dolphins, who have now lost four games this season in which they trail by one score. In the final two minutes after the game, Tua was asked how players can refrain from feeling sorry for themselves. Ocho, take a listen to his response.

[Ocho]

Oh, I think it starts with the leadership in helping articulate that for the guys and then what we're expecting out of the guys, right? We're expecting this. Are we getting that? Are we not getting that? We have guys showing up to player only meetings late, guys not showing up to player only meeting. Like, there's a lot that goes into that. Do we have to make this mandatory? Do we not have to make this mandatory? So, so it, it's, it's a lot of, it's a lot of things of, of that nature that we got to get cleaned up. And it starts with the little things like that. Be clear, you're saying some players were late or missed late. Yeah. Hey, obviously you, you can say some of these things. I, I like that. Tua being the quarterback, being a leader, having that C on his chest and, and addressing those things publicly. But, but you, you can't throw, you can't throw your players under the bus. Huh? You can't throw your players under the bus like that. You can't do that. You can't throw your players under the bus like that because even though you are the quarterback, they not going to view that. Likely. They not going. They not. They not going to like that.

[Uncle]

Huh? Is that. I know, hold on, Chad. I want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly. Not the old show that I say that he said he want people to tell the truth now, is it? Well, hold on, Unc.

[Ocho]

You got mad at me when I was happy that Cambor say, hey, we asked. You know, I mean, you said they.

[Uncle]

I'm glad you. I was trying to get you to see the big picture. But you was in the forest and you didn't see the trees. Yeah, this is why.

[Ocho]

Yeah, see, not now. See, but it's different. The context. The context in which they were playing. It's okay. He wasn't talking about nobody. He's saying we collectively as a group.

[Uncle]

And.

[Ocho]

But that's. That's almost like snitching. Like, what you mean? Okay, we. That's in house. You know what? I was late. Come and holla at your boy. Come holla at me. Let me know. You know, I was late. Whatever my. But you don't go tell the media. You don't. You don't do. Come on now.

[Uncle]

I don't know how Mike McDaniels make it through the end of the season. He said this is a leadership. He say, do we make it mandatory or is it not mandatory? He's putting the onus on the coach.

[Ocho]

Right. But obviously, when it comes to players only meeting, the coaches don't have anything to do with that. That is something that is. Hey, listen, we gonna have a meeting. We need to get make sure everybody's on the same page. We need to make sure everybody's on the page. So let's meet at so and so time. Now, that's between coaches.

[Uncle]

I get it.

[Ocho]

That's between players.

[Uncle]

The players.

[Ocho]

But here, the C on your chest.

[Uncle]

What happened, Ocho, is that when guys were showing up late for meetings that were mandatory, that the coach had said when guys were showing up late for practice and the coach didn't nip it in the bud until it got too late. And so what was one or two turned to three to four turning to five or six? Now, the restored. The report was that there were two main culprits. And neither one of them. One's on our and one is playing extremely well in Pittsburgh. But they were the main culprits. But they didn't say they were the only culprits. So hold on. Daniel Bryant says, I want to know what part of this is he going to take accountability for. TUA threw three picks today. TUA is third in the NFL with the most interception thrown by a quarterback. If you haven't said this privately first, then in the media. I don't respect it. And since we are on the topic of respect, I guarantee a lot of players don't respect Tua. 2 points to finger and literally has 4 pointing back at him. If you want to win, put yours in.

[Ocho]

See? Hey, listen, you know what? And see, he just said it. He just said it. You know, I understand. I've been in the locker room before. When it comes to the quarterback position. When things aren't going well, you take it on yourself. When things aren't going. When things aren't going, it's my fault. I got to do better. I have to play better. When things are going well, you praise everybody else. Well, I was able to do this because my office line because my receivers are playing well. My running backs, they running the ball really well. You don't. You can't do this because the reaction you're going to get from the players. Well, damn, that's.

[Uncle]

Oh, you. Oh, yeah. They said hold on two. Attack or turnover.

[Ocho]

That's how you feel. You got. He got. You got to be careful. You got to be careful.

[Uncle]

Year 14, I'm getting up. He only a year. He only a year four or five. I mean, you're 13, 14. And I'm getting my ass up and getting there. Oh, no.

[Ocho]

Hell no. See, listen, you. You've been doing it. You. You've been doing it consecutive years. So you. You used to the program.

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Year three. You know, you're not. You're not acclimated to the program just yet. Not just yet. I know you still a professional, you.

[Uncle]

Know, but here's the thing, Ojo. What I understood is that I knew he was that good of a player. And one day he would sit in my chair.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And understand.

[Uncle]

And I didn't want to see. And guys look at you. Because I saw a lot of guys and I was like, man, I can't wait till I get. I start making plays and if I can make a Pro bowl, make a. An all Pro, guys looking at that. Yeah. And they're gonna say, well, man, I can't wait. So I can be late to practice or I can skip this or I can skip that.

[Ocho]

I see you going with it.

[Uncle]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We gonna. We. We gonna do it. We're gonna do it right. We're gonna have fun. I want to have fun, too. Hey, sharp, man. We gam. We gonna have a good time, but when it come time to work, we finna work we gonna work. We being training camp. Cool. We come in there before we go to practice. Cool. Offensive coordinator, he said the boss need you to get them going today.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Uncle]

Okay. So now, Ocho, I go in there. Oh, oh. I'm gonna strike up the band on the day Boom, boom, I'll start beating up oh, I'm beating on I'm beating on the locker Boom, boom, boom, boom oh, I'm gonna strike up the band on y' all oh, yeah. I'm going crazy. She going crazy today. Yo, who gonna get this work practice a crazy. Hey, cool. Wink. We gonna get that work in. We're gonna have a good time, but we got to work. I'm not wasting my time.

[Ocho]

Right, right, right.

[Uncle]

I ain't here to lose. I'm not putting all this time in. I didn't spend all this money in the off season. I don't eat the way I eat. To come in here and be 6 and 10, to be 5 and 11. I'm coming to win. I'm trying to get to a playoff. I'm trying to win the division, get to the playoffs. I'm trying to get to a Super Bowl. That's all I'm trying to do. All that other ish don't even matter to me. We can be friends or we can. Look, we could be friends or we can be friendly. They're two different things.

[Ocho]

I like that. I like that. And everybody, Everybody on the 53 man roster, they do not get along. We all know we all live for one common goal.

[Uncle]

Yes.

[Ocho]

I like that. I like that. I like that. We could be friends. And we'll be friendly. I like. That's a good one.