BEST OF NFL Week 7 Part 2: Unc & Ocho GO OFF on Tua Tagovailoa after Dolphins get EMBARRASSED + Micah Parsons doesn’t realize his DOMINANCE

Summary

Club Shay Shay — "BEST OF NFL Week 7 Part 2" (Oct 22, 2025)

Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay features Shannon Sharpe and his regular cohost Ocho breaking down the standout storylines, player performances, and controversies of NFL Week 7. The conversation centers on accountability for quarterbacks like Tua Tagovailoa, high expectations for top draft picks, the dominance of defensive stars like Micah Parsons, questionable coaching decisions, memorable plays, and the evolving narrative for several teams. Sharpe and Ocho use their signature humor, directness, and football IQ to go off on players and coaches, constantly demanding excellence and honesty on and off the field.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Rams Rout the Jags & Player Usage Confusion

• Stats Recap: Rams 35, Jags 7. Stafford: 21/33, 182 yards, 5 TDs, 0 sacks, 0 turnovers.
• Travis Hunter Usage: The hosts are confused about why Hunter is being used so inconsistently on offense and defense, questioning the Jaguars’ strategy after they traded up for him. (03:34)
  • Ocho: “If you take someone that high, he’s gonna be full-time somewhere... I’m not sure what they’re doing. I have no idea.” (06:57)
  • Sharpe: “He played 14 snaps on defense, 60+ on offense... I just don't see him playing 100, 130 snaps and being effective.” (07:39)
• Expectation vs. Reality: For a No. 2 pick, Hunter's limited impact raises questions about the team’s direction.

2. Saints' Turnover Troubles & Bears' Balanced Attack

• Bears 26, Saints 14:
  • Caleb Williams: 15/26, 172 yards, 1 INT.
  • DeAndre Swift: 19 carries, 124 yards.
• Saints' Downfall: Spencer Rattler’s 4 turnovers cripple the Saints’ chances. Sharpe highlights how most teams can't overcome four turnovers. (14:09)
  • Ocho: “There are not very many teams equipped in the NFL that can overcome four turnovers, let alone the Saints.” (14:09)
• Bears' Rise: The hosts note how Chicago is looking better than it has in years, crediting Williams' maturation and the coaching creativity of Ben Johnson, with Ocho touting their preseason potential.

3. Titans’ Struggles and Rookie Growing Pains

• Patriots 31, Titans 10: Drake May: 21/23 (highest completion percentage in franchise history), 222 yards, 2 TDs.
• Rookie Woes: Cam Ward’s turnover problems are compared to Will Levis, with both hosts emphasizing the importance of protecting the football.
  • Sharpe: “Bro, you can't keep turning the ball over... I don't care how good your defense is, they can't consistently overcome bad play from you.” (15:42)
• Stop Talking, Play Better: Both demand Ward quiet down and play, echoing later criticisms of Tua.

4. Tua Tagovailoa & Public Accountability

• Dolphins Humiliation: Tua: 12/23, 100 yards, 0 TD, 3 INT, 24 passer rating.
• Confrontation: Sharpe and Ocho harshly critique Tua’s off-field comments criticizing teammates before he plays poorly again. They stress the leader’s obligation to perform if he’s holding others accountable.
  • Ocho: “You can’t be talking here but playing down here at the bottom... there has to be some type of even keel where everything makes sense.” (21:18)
  • Sharpe: “You pulled your pants down two weeks in a row in front of the public and took a dump on the field.” (26:08)
  • Sharpe: “It’s hard to overcome bad quarterback play because... he has the ball all the damn time.” (27:24)
• Lesson: Praise in public, correct in private; leaders must own their performance and words.

5. Eagles’ Air Attack & Resolving Old Critiques

• Eagles Beat Vikings: Hurts: 19/23, 326 yards, 3 TDs. Devonta Smith: 9/183/1. A.J. Brown: 4/121/2.
• Impressive Adjustments: Hurts silences critics about his passing; the Eagles continue winning even when the run game falters.
  • Ocho: “You quieted doubters again. You couldn’t run the ball... What did he go do? He put it in the air.” (31:01)
• Receiver Dynamics: The hosts highlight good and bad body language among star receivers, and the vital trust between QB and WR.

6. Micah Parsons’ Dominance & Defensive Expectations

• Packers 27, Cardinals 23: But the real focus is on Micah Parsons’ game (3 sacks).
  • Sharpe: “If I’m going to make you the highest paid defensive player... I need you to turn the lights out the building.” (39:00)
  • Ocho: “Sometimes I wonder if Micah really understands how good he is.” (40:10)
• Sacks in Bunches: They note how pass rushers’ stats can explode quickly, with strong rotations making a difference.

7. Chiefs’ Return to Form

• Chiefs 31, Raiders 0: Dominant stats disparity (Raiders: 3 first downs to Chiefs’ 31; 95 total yards vs. 434).
  • Sharpe: “The Chiefs had as many first downs as the Raiders had total plays.” (51:29)
  • Ocho: “It is almost as if the Raiders don’t belong on the field with the Kansas City Chiefs.” (52:24)
• Mahomes Magic: Notable team health and WR contributions return the Chiefs to vintage form.

8. Lions’ Rushing Breakout & Offensive Innovation

• Lions 24, Bucs 9: Jir Gibbs: 17 carries, 136 yards, 2 TDs, 82 yards receiving.
• Gibbs Hype: Ocho compares Gibbs' speed to Chris Johnson (55:20).
• Coaching Praise: Both salute offensive coordinator Kelvin Shapa’s creativity, especially with a banged-up secondary.
• Offensive Boldness: The Lions’ willingness to go for it on fourth down keeps opponents off balance (59:19).

9. Seahawks-Texans: JSN’s Emergence, Darnold Critique

• Seahawks 27, Texans 19: Defense dominates; JSN (Jackson Smith-Njigba) shines as the league’s next top route runner; Ocho and Sharpe praise his polish and anticipate a huge payday for him soon (68:45).
  • Sharpe: "He could do it all... quicker than a cat on a hot marble table. Got great hands, man. He's special." (62:20)
  • Ocho: “Now I see why it was so easy for them to let DK Metcalf go, let Tyler Lockett go, because they understood what they had on their hands. They got something special.” (68:45)
• QB Ineptitude: Sam Darnold is roasted for poor play saved only by defensive prowess.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Travis Hunter's Usage — Sharpe (07:39):
  “He played 14 snaps on defense, 60+ on offense... I just don't see him playing 100, 130 snaps and being effective. I don't. Not in an NFL game.”

• On Tua's Public Comment Backfire — Sharpe (26:08):
  "You pulled your pants down two weeks in a row in front of the public and took a dump on the field."

• On Hurts' Statement Game — Ocho (31:01):
  “You quieted doubters again... What did he go out and do? He put it in the air. You’re not gonna allow us to run the ball like the Chiefs did in Super Bowl? Okay, hold my beer. Let me show you. I could throw it, too.”

• On Micah Parsons' Potential — Sharpe (40:10):
  “Sometimes I wonder if Micah really understands how good he is.”

• On the Chiefs' Blowout of the Raiders — Sharpe (51:29):
  “The Chiefs had as many first downs as the Raiders had total plays.”

• On JSN’s Route Running — Sharpe (62:20):
  “He could do it all... quicker than a cat on a hot marble table. Got great hands, man. He’s special.”

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Travis Hunter & Jaguars confusion: 03:34–09:08
• Bears/Saints turnovers & QB responsibility: 12:06–14:09
• Patriots-Titans; Cam Ward/rookie struggles: 15:13–17:01
• Tua & Dolphins accountability rant: 21:12–27:24
• Eagles offensive adjustment (Hurts, Smith, AJ Brown): 29:13–37:04
• Packers’ pass rush/Micah Parsons analysis: 39:00–42:48
• Chiefs’ Raiders domination: 51:04–55:14
• Lions’ GIbbs breakout/offensive innovation: 55:14–60:08
• JSN’s star turn, Seahawks-Texans: 62:20–69:31

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Summary Tone & Style

• The episode remains lively, candid, and loaded with both technical analysis and playful jabs.
• Sharpe’s signature blend of tough love (“Keep your mouth shut and play better!”) mixes with Ocho’s player-to-player empathy and hype for emerging stars.
• The conversation is fast-paced; topics switch rapidly but always circle back to themes of accountability, maximizing talent, and understanding the realities of NFL pressure.

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Conclusion

This Club Shay Shay NFL recap offers blunt assessments and in-depth breakdowns of Week 7—calling out underperformers (especially QBs), celebrating game-changing talent (like JSN and Gibbs), and highlighting how leadership on and off the field separates pretenders from contenders. If you’re seeking sharp football insight with real talk and personality, this episode is a must-listen.

Transcript

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[Ocho]

910457 Rams beat the Jags 35 7. Stafford threw five touchdown passes. Travis Hunter gets his first 100 yard career with receiving game and he also had his first touchdown. What your. What they doing?

[Chat]

Hey, I. I don't know what they doing. I don't know what happened today.

[Ocho]

How many snaps did he play on defense? 2? 3. I know he broke up a pass from Devonte. Matthew Stafford, 21 of 33, 182, five touchdowns, no sacks, no turnover. They ran the ball 29 times for 89 yards. Devonte five for third. Excuse me, five for 35 with three tubs. Ferguson had one for 31 and a tub. Monfield had one catch, five yards and a tub. Trevor Lawrence was 23 of 48, 236, one touchdown. He was sacked seven.

[Chat]

Golly.

[Ocho]

Landman had one and a half. Is that Cornell? Lake, Son Q.

[Chat]

Lake. Wait, from the Steelers?

[Ocho]

Yeah. He said, look, Chad, he correct him. He said his booty. So correct him. So y' all talking about, oh, it's wrong. It's booty. I know that's how it looks like it should be pronounced. Bootay. But that's not what he told the media. So go look up what he told him. Google that, y'. All. Google everything else. Y' all jump on here to try to prove Ocho and I wrong. Go look it up and then you can come back and apologize to us later.

[Chat]

Listen, I. It looks like it's. It looks like it's French to me, right? I took. I took.

[Ocho]

Yes, Creole.

[Chat]

So I'm gonna pronounce it as. As if it's French. I'm gonna call him.

[Ocho]

Go look it, Chat. Go look it up. And all of y', all, if somebody is pronounced this, pronounced that, then you can apologize to Ocho now because Y' all quick. Y' all don't let one of your old. Well, you and Ocho was right. Y' all don't never do that. But y' all quick to jump ahead. Y' all wrong. Y' all wrong. Go. Go to. And this is what he said. Now, y' all gonna get mad at the man. Cause that's what he said. The pronunciation is. Go ask him. But anyway, back to our normally scheduled pro. You have mocho 35 to 7. It looks like. It looks like to me that their super bowl were the Chiefs on Monday night. Cause they look like stir fry since.

[Chat]

What are they doing? What are they doing with Trav? I'm curious, because everything seems to be up and down. One week he's playing more on defense, and he's playing less on offense. One week he playing more on offense. The next week, he's playing less on defense. It's like they're kind of confused on what they want to do with him. I need my boy, Brian Thomas Jr. I know you're going to see this, baby. I need you. I need you every week.

[Ocho]

You got to come down with those, bro. You got to come down with those.

[Chat]

B. I need you every week, every week to be exactly who we know you are. You need to build off what you did last year and come in the season and do the same thing when things aren't going well. Trevor Lawrence has to be able to count on you at all times. He need to be able to put on a blindfold and know I can throw the seven now. I know I can count it. You need to be like birth control. You need to be like birth control every time. He can count on you 99.9% of the time at times, you're gonna make mistakes. Mistakes gonna have a. Drops are gonna happen. Minimize them. Minimize them, you know? But the player that you are, the player that I know you're capable of being, you got to be that 24 7.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no. Don't be talking about, oh, Uncle Aggressive. No, Y' all jump y' all ass in the chat. Oh, you said it wrong. You said it wrong. No, go look it up now. Y' all looking it up now. You. Oh, Uncle Aggressive. You. Y' all jump y' all ass on there. Cause y' all so quick. Oh, don't know what he talking about. I'm just telling what the guy, how he. How he told the reporters how I said, I don't.

[Chat]

I don't like saying booty. I'm gonna say boutique. I'm gonna say it like it's French.

[Ocho]

So. But they. Y' all get mad. No, I want y' all to jump in there and say, oh, you was right. Y' all quick to blow up my Twitter, blow up all my feeds on social media. You was wrong. Why would I write. Y' all don't have the same intensity. I'm just curious.

[Chat]

A p. Hey, they apologize. They say, we. Sorry.

[Ocho]

That's what he said. Now if I. Some people say, okay, sometimes it's sharp, it has an E, sometimes it doesn't. So people say, is it sharp or is it sharpie? It's sharp. Oh, I thought it was sharpie. Well, I told you it was sharp. So he said, it's booty. But y' all get mad at me because I thought, because they spelled. Because when I first saw him at lsu, Ocho, I thought it booty. That's what I mean. But I knew, you know, with a name like that, I'm like, that's a French. You know, Obviously the French, you know, we got New Orleans, you know. But anyway, what's going on with Jacksonville, Ocho, first of all, Ash, how many snaps did Trev play on defense? Because he didn't, he didn't, he didn't register anything. He had a pass defense, though. He had a pd. If you're not gonna play in both ways, and he's not gonna be beneficial on both ways, why did you trade up to get him?

[Chat]

All right.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, why'd you give up? You gave up next year's number one.

[Chat]

Your guess is to move up like.

[Ocho]

Two or three spots. That's crazy.

[Chat]

Listen, if, if you take someone that high, if you take someone high, he gonna be full time somewhere. And if you, if you're gonna play him on both sides like you promised, like you promised him, I'm gonna to where we picked him as a number two pick. I'm going to feature him somewhere. You're going to be on offense full time. You know what? We're going to have certain packages probably on third down. We're going to put you in there. You're going to go against the third receiver sometime the second, whoever the hell going to goddamn slot. That's who you have to face. I'm not sure what they're doing. I have no idea.

[Ocho]

I, I, I'm confused. He played 14 snaps on defense. He played 60 plus snaps on offense. Yeah. So that's 74 snaps. They had 55 snaps total on defense. I just don't see him playing 100, 130 snaps and being effective. I don't. Not in an NFL game. I mean, listening out and see all the DBs, I see Chris Harris Jr. I see AEB to leave. I see Sherm. I see guys that made Pro Bowls all decade players. I see those guys, and they're talking about, man, it's hard to go back because you need to get in the rhythm defensively, the backpedal, the switch, the transition. Ocho, it's not like you're playing one good receiver one week, and then you might play some guys that's not very good. Every guy that you go against on Sunday in the NFL, a lot of guys that you went against in. On Saturday, they. Not in the NFL. There's a difference big time. You going against Jefferson, you going against Chase, you going against CD you're going against Pickens, you're going against Rasheed Rice, you going up against Devonte, you going against A.J. you're going against Pittman, you're going against Johnson, you're going against Keenan Allen. And then guess what? Now go beat Pastor Tan. Not go beat Horn junior Not go beat Stingley.

[Chat]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Not go beat Quentin Mitchell. Do you understand what you're. That you're asking yourself? And you understand how. Just how mentally you have to be locked in? Oh, so, you know, first of all, you got to be locked in. But when you going against one of them dogs, you better be on your best.

[Chat]

And the funny thing about it, or.

[Ocho]

They'Ll embarrass you and they're trying to.

[Chat]

And. And most of the time, every week, it's going to be a dog on every team. Every team, very soft. And when you play. When you play a game, regardless of what position you play, whether it's receiver, you're going to be facing the dog. Whether you. If you had.

[Ocho]

If you.

[Chat]

If you playing receiver, you're going to be facing the dog at db, no matter what side of the ball you go to. So you got to be on point. But they're not using them to be effective, let alone not help him, but help the team. Gotta.

[Ocho]

Help.

[Chat]

Gotta. He's. He's the second pick in the draft. You would think his usage would show just that. And it hasn't. It hasn't to date. Not yet. And I understand what you're thinking.

[Ocho]

How. I mean, I don't know if this year they're gonna fully integrate him and let him play every snap, every down.

[Chat]

Yeah, I understand. I understand bringing a player along slow, but hell, we. And we. We. We going into week seven. Well, we going into week eight. Should we have we halfway through the season. Listen, brother.

[Ocho]

Brother.

[Chat]

Liam Corm. He know. He know. He know better than me.

[Ocho]

He got a great offensive mind because he was on the staff. You know, offensive. That's where. That's where his butt is breaded. That's where his bread is butter. Got me talking like, oo. I have been around you too long, man. I. I need. I need help. Yeah. Ocho. The Bears moved to 42. Saints dropped a 1 and 6. The Bears 26, Saints 14. Kayla Williams, 15 to 26. 172 yards, no touchdowns, one interception. Oh, but DeAndre Swift, 19 carries, a buck, 24, 40 rushes, 222 yards. Spencer Rattler 20 of 32, 233, two touchdowns, three picks. Can't turn the ball over like that, bro. And when your team is not equipped to overcome your mistakes. Rushes, 17 carries, 44 yards for the Saints offense. Spencer Rattler also lost a fumble, so that was four turnovers overcome.

[Chat]

Four. That'll get you.

[Ocho]

Chris Olavi had one of his better games. Five catches, 98 yards of touchdowns. Johnson four five for 79. Damn, Shaheed. I needed one more catch. What did you like about what you. Did you see. See any of this?

[Chat]

Yeah, I saw it, man.

[Ocho]

DeAndre Swift is running the hell out.

[Chat]

The ball again with DeAndre Shift running like that, that. It brings balance. It brings balance. Boom. We can rely. We can rely on DeAndre Swift to do what we need to do offensively on the ground, so it makes throwing the ball that much easier. I know Caleb Williams did have an interception, but outside of that, he played somewhat of a clean game outside of interception, and they did what they needed to do to win the game. They're 4 2. I'm not sure when the last time the bears have been 4:2 and look this good offensively.

[Ocho]

Week.

[Chat]

Week. Hell, they playing the goddamn rainstorm last week won the game. They come back this week. I know they playing the Saints. A lot of people say, oh, that don't catch you. You playing the Saints. They not that good. I told y'. All, I told you two teams. That maturation process between Caleb Williams and goddamn Ben Johnson, where he's going to be able to maximize his potential, understanding what his quarterback strengths are with his creativity. All right, it just started.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And Rattler had three interceptions. I see Trey Edmonds had one. He's a linebacker. And Montes Sweat, he had one. He's a dn. No, hold on. That's sacks. Who got the picks? They don't show pick. Oh, yeah, they do oh, Bayard had one, Edmonds had one, and Nick Wright in right. I don't know if it's. That's his first name. He had one. They just. Oo. The Saints are not good enough to overcome four turnovers. There are not very many teams equipped in the NFL that can overcome four turnovers, let alone the Saints.

[Chat]

You got, you got maybe two or three teams. That's it. Maybe two or three.

[Ocho]

It all depends on when they turn the ball over, where they turn over.

[Chat]

They can score on a high volume. They can score on a high volume.

[Ocho]

Let me ask you a question. Who they playing? And they turn the ball.

[Chat]

Now that matters too. Now that matter. That, that matters as well.

[Ocho]

You turn the ball over against the Cowboys, you turn the ball over against.

[Chat]

The Chiefs, man, you might well pack. You might well pack your bags early.

[Ocho]

Turn the ball over four times against the coach.

[Chat]

Your bags early.

[Ocho]

Exactly. The Patriots beat the Titans in the Revenge Bowl. Drake May threw for 222 yards, two touchdowns. Variables. First game against the franchise that fired him back in January of 2024. They, they, they did a number, they did a number on them today. Cam Ward fumble for the second consecutive game. He has five fumbles this season and he threw a pick.

[Chat]

Well, hey, hey, I love, I love brother Cam Ward, but the same issues that we had and the same conversations we had with Will Levis and turning the ball over and not giving his team a chance, Cam Waters is, is actually.

[Ocho]

Cam Ward is worse. If you go look at the number through the same starts, he's worse than Will Levis.

[Chat]

Yeah, you got to give your team a chance.

[Ocho]

And Ocho, you and I talked about it. Bro, bro, you can't keep turning the ball over. You can't keep giving up these pick sixes. You can't keep putting the ball in harm's way because I don't care how good your defense is, they can't consistently overcome bad play from you.

[Chat]

You can't, can't. You don't.

[Ocho]

This is why I advise guys stop talking.

[Podcast Host]

Now.

[Ocho]

We tell we. He said, you know, y' all know what he said. We butt.

[Chat]

We asked. Hey, hey, but listen, wait, I like, like, like too, huh? When you say stuff like that, your play has to be up to par. You can't be part of the problem. You got to be part of the solution.

[Ocho]

Through six games, their first six games of their career, Cam Ward has thrown for 1101 yards. Will Levis had 1266. Cam Ward has thrown three touchdowns. Will Levis had seven. Cam Ward had thrown four interceptions. Will Levis, two fumbles, lost. Cam Ward, four. Will Levis, two sacks. Cam Ward, 25. Will Levis, 19.

[Chat]

He got sacked 25 times already.

[Ocho]

Oh, heading into the day. It's more now. How many times you got? Oh, now he's gotten sacked 30 times. He got sacked five times today.

[Chat]

Jesus Christ.

[Ocho]

So we can add a touchdown to him. He got four touchdowns, five interceptions, and he got. Now he got another fumble loss.

[Chat]

Well, listen, whoever got the Titans on their schedule, that's like a homecoming game. That's the game you want to play, but you know you're going to get your win. Hey, the Titans and the Jets. If you got the Titans or the jets on your schedule, you might well choke that up as a win.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, hey, don't worry about Ward. He with us.

[Chat]

Hey, listen, you're going to have. You're going to have game.

[Ocho]

No, no, no. Y' all didn't want Mike Brable.

[Chat]

It wasn't Mike.

[Ocho]

They fired Mike Brable.

[Chat]

It's. It's his rookie. Yeah, this is rookie year. Do we do. Do we give him some grace because he's a rookie? Would you.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay, but stop talking. Stop talking because you make yourself look bad when you go out there and play like that.

[Chat]

If you do the.

[Ocho]

They made the Patriots, but Drake May.

[Chat]

Hey, Drake May. Nice boy.

[Ocho]

Yeah. 21 of 33. 21 of 23 is the highest completion percentage in Patriots history. 21. I think he completed 16 straight. 222 yards, two touchdowns. He did get sacked four times, but he didn't turn the ball over. Stefan Diggs, 7 for 69. Keisha, is it boot or booty? Is it.

[Chat]

I'm not sure how to pronounce it the right way.

[Ocho]

But he had two for 55. He had a great fingertip. Catching ends on ocho Hunter Henry, 4 for 33. Austin Hooper, 2 for 11. A tub. And Caleb Cave. Chase on. Recovered a fumble in the end zone. The one that Cam Ward tried to throw and it slipped out the back of his hand. Is booty.

[Chat]

Booty.

[Ocho]

See y' all laughing. I'm like, it's. It looked like it should be booty, but it's Boucher. Booty.

[Chat]

Yeah, Booty. He must be from New Orleans, huh?

[Ocho]

He is. He is. Ramaje Stevens. They ran the ball 36 times. 175. You know, braver wants to run the football. You know, have he had that monster in Tennessee, Derrick Henry. You know what I'm saying? You know, you want to run that football.

[Chat]

You know what I like, too I like the fact that they went back to Stevenson. Despite his struggles holding on to the ball.

[Ocho]

Yeah. You want to play some? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Coach, I do. Hold on to the damn ball.

[Chat]

Simple as that.

[Ocho]

You hold onto the ball. You get on the field, you put the ball on the turf. You over here with me. Choice is yours. The Browns beat the dog.

[Chat]

Oh, man.

[Ocho]

31. Mike McDaniel, Tua, late for Quinn Ewers. He was 12 of 23. A hundred yards, zero touchdowns, three interceptions, 24. He had a 24 passer rating. Tua has the most two interception games in the NFL since 2022. Oh, this is. This is why I tell you quarterbacks, keep your mouth shut. Now, we're gonna have a conversation about your guy in Tennessee. Now, you remember your guy in Tennessee? We. That's why you keep your mouth shut.

[Chat]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

Now back to Tua Ocho.

[Chat]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Ocho]

I'm gonna let you. I want to hear what you said. That's your team. The Miami Guppies are your choice.

[Chat]

Listen, when you stand tall with your head high and you hold other people accountable and tell us about things that are going on in your house, a house where we don't have the key to, so there's no way for us to know what's going. And that C on your chest as that captain, you have to always be front and center and. And being the one to be playing at your best, you got to be playing at your very best at all times. So what you're saying in front of the media and you play. It ain't matching up. It ain't matching up. You can't be talking here. But playing down here at the bottom, there has to be some type of even keel where everything makes sense. Okay? You know what? He can get in front of the media and say some of the things that are going on behind closed doors, because once he touched that goddamn field, he's that boy. He's doing his thing. But when you play like that and on the opposite end trying to do it ain't. It wasn't pretty. I was upset. I was upset watching. I was upset watching the game.

[Ocho]

We.

[Chat]

We don't even have a chance. We don't even have a chance to compete, let alone you're already going against one of the better defenses in the league. So offensively, you got to do that much better. You have to raise your level of play to. Tyreek is gone. He's not walking back through that dope. He's not walking back through that dope.

[Ocho]

And it wasn't like Cleveland did a whole lot. It was just that you were so pathetic. Your Miami offense was so anemic, they didn't really have to do anything because you gave them short fields. You gave up a pick six. This is what you do. Bill Davis used to always tell us, my college coach say, son, you praise in public, you chastise behind closed doors.

[Chat]

See, I. I forget. Hey, listen, I got, I got it with me today. I'm prepared.

[Ocho]

Prepared. Yeah. He said, you chance, you chest, you chastise behind closed doors, you praise in public. Ocho, we played a game. We played Alabama A and M and coach called. He called a quarterback draw on the first, the first two plays, he called a handoff. Quarterback checked out of it. And then on fourth down, he called the draw again. We lined up, we lose the game. We all around the team. Coach says, I've been coaching 20 years and I've never said this before. You cost me the game.

[Chat]

Damn.

[Ocho]

Just like that.

[Chat]

He said it.

[Ocho]

He got that. He got there in front of the media. You know, we just got to play better. Look, the plays that we didn't make tonight at the quarterback position, I trust him. I believe in him. That is not what he said behind closed doors. That's not what he said. But in public, he knew he had to put on a brave face. He had to put on a brave front. I'm not saying to what you said, you should have said behind closed doors to your teammates and keep the media out of it. See, you can't spin it because, see, when you say, when the media does this, you. You absorb yourself of accountability. You see, instead of saying, you know, look, I misspoke. Everything that I said I could have said to an individual or individuals that I felt that were late or not being the best representative of the Miami Dolphins, that should have never heard that. The media ears should have never heard what I had to say. But when he spent it and say the media try to spin it now, he's absolving himself of accountability. I thought you were saying that you were sorry because you was taking the onus of accountability. But that's not what he did. And then, now think about it. OO he said that after throwing three picks, he follows that up again with another three picks.

[Chat]

Yeah, yeah. And listen, remember what I.

[Ocho]

So how do I look at you? How do I look at you if I'm a player? Oo you got to see on your jersey, you. You're supposed to be one of our best players and a large Part to why we're ineffective offensively is because of your play.

[Chat]

I told you, Chad. I'm not sure, Chad. If any of you have been in a structured environment and played a sport and you look up to one individual, the individual who wears the C on the chest, not only does he wear the C on the chest, but he's a leader. He not only is a leader, but.

[Ocho]

He'S supposed to be.

[Chat]

He's your quarterback. He's your quarterback. So you say some of the things that are going in house about players that are in a building. How do you think they look at you next? How do you think they look at you? You know and you know, you know how they gonna look at you? They won't say it out loud publicly, but you know different.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Chat]

They always gonna look at you sideways. Now, from now on, even with a public apology and. And to top it off, to top it off, it makes it even worse when you come back the following week and you play like that and you.

[Ocho]

Stunk it up again, you pulled your pants down two weeks in a row in front of the public and took a dump on the field. Now, first of all, Ocho, I'm looking at you sideways because even before you open your mouth, I knew you weren't playing well. And I kept that to myself. Now, I could have put you on blast, or when somebody say Tua was buns or cheeks, I could have liked it. But I didn't do none of that.

[Chat]

No, no, no, no.

[Ocho]

But what did you do? You come put us on blast and you still. You got to the meeting on time. You was. Did everything right. And you look like stir fry there. So what was your excuse?

[Chat]

Hey, sometimes you can do all the talking in the world. You can do all the talk in the world. All the talk in the world don't matter. But what does matter? I know you want to do everything right before you go, before, excuse me, before you. Before you touch this field on Sundays. But all that talking and all that mean don't mean nothing if you go out there and you stick it up Sunday at 1 o', clock, you still got to play. You still got to execute the X's nose. And the person that has the ball the most, the person that is able to handle the ball the most is responsible most of the time. Whether you win or whether you lose.

[Ocho]

Yes. Tua now has two or more interception game and most he has the most to two intercept two plus interception games in the NFL since 2022, he's done that 12 times. It's hard to over. It's hard to overcome bad quarterback play because you know why? Oh you know why Chat? Because he has the ball all the damn time. Unless you direct snap it to a running back or a wide receiver which is the wildcat. He touches the ball. If he's playing bad, he gets hit, the ball comes out, he throws it, it gets picked, he runs. I always question Ocho the man know he has a history of concussions. He breaks weight last year. What does he do Ocho? He lowers his head on somebody. I say, you got to be kidding me. Ocho. The Eagles beat The Vikings, the 30th ranked passing offense coming into the game found his stride. Jalen Hurst threw three touchdown passes. Devonte Smith had a career high 183 receiving yards and a touchdown. A.J. brown went over 100 yards and had a pair of touchdowns. And Jalen Hurts, 304 yards. The receivers were the second most of his career. I think it's his first 300 yard game in the last 22 games. So Jalen Hurts. He was 19 of 23, very efficient. 326, three touchdowns. Devonte nine for a buck 83 and a touchdown. A.J. brown four for 121, two touchdowns. This is what you have to do when you can't run the football. 23 rush attempts, 45 yards Saquon 18 carries, 44 yards. Got no choice.

[Chat]

Hey, it's so funny too is devonte Smith was going crazy. He was going crazy and I can see the mannerisms, I can see the body language from A.J. brown. He wasn't going off yet. He hadn't gotten those, he hadn't gotten those touchdowns yet.

[Ocho]

Well, you know he caught the first touchdown. The scramble they caught him on caught him on the road. I looked like, I think it was a linebacker caught him on the line.

[Chat]

He told him to go, he.

[Ocho]

Well, you know, scramble. It was a scramble drill. It was out. It was a scramble drill. Told him to go out.

[Chat]

But, but outside of that he got, he got involved in the game. He got involved in the game, came back and hit him. Came back and hit him on a deep one.

[Ocho]

And before you go any further, that was not a pat. That was not a rough in the pass on Martin, the Washington commander's guy when he sacked Dak Prescott. It's not my fault. He didn't buckle his damn helmet and I tackled his ass and his helmet. That is not. Now look, there was, it seemed like it was a incidental contact with the receiver so it was a five yard penalty. Baby, that's not roughing the passer. That is not roughing the passer. It's not my fault. Oo. If you don't buckle your damn helmet, I tackle you. Your helmet foul. I didn't rough you up. He. He didn't horse call it. He had him by the middle of his jersey and he snatched his ass down.

[Chat]

Obviously, the.

[Ocho]

So that's all I want to say about that.

[Chat]

Think about the refs. You know, the refs, when everything is going full speed, they can't tell. They can't see that. All they see is the hand up high and the helmet coming off. And, you know, they throwing that flag right away. They throwing a flag right away outside.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they can review it. That. I mean, because think about it. When Jerry Goff, when they called that touchdown back, they didn't throw the flag on the field. That came from sa. Okay.

[Chat]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, you right. You right.

[Chat]

You're right. But I. Hey, listen, I like what. I like what Jalen Hurst did. I like what he did because obviously, listen, you quieted doubters again. You couldn't run the ball. They say he can't throw. You can't be. Can't put it in the air. And what did he go out there and do? He put in the air. You're not gonna allow us to run the ball like the Chiefs did in Super Bowl. Okay, hold my beer. Let me show you. I can do everything. I could throw it, too.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Chat]

Now what you gonna do?

[Ocho]

Carson wins. Was 26 and 42. 3:13 2 interception. Jordan Addison had nine for a buck, 28. George Justin Jefferson had five for 79. He did drop a touchdown. You know what you call him, Was able to get his hand in there.

[Chat]

Cooper. Cooper did a good job, right?

[Ocho]

Yeah. But here's the thing, though. He's finding out it's different on the island than it is.

[Chat]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

I'm just saying.

[Chat]

Absolutely. Especially when you're going against the. One of the best, if not the best, depending on who you ask. It's a different game.

[Ocho]

I don't. Ocho, what do you think about that touchdown? They at the field, they called it a touchdown. The diving TJ Hawkinson, but they reviewed it and they said no. What?

[Chat]

I think it was a touchdown.

[Ocho]

Huh?

[Chat]

I think touchdown because the ball didn't move when he round it didn't move. And all he did was bring it back in. He brought it back in on the turn. You know, it's tough.

[Ocho]

They're saying the ground helped him secure it.

[Chat]

Come on. The ball didn't move when he hit the ground, it didn't move at all.

[Ocho]

It didn't.

[Chat]

And all he did was he brought it back into his chest as he rolled over. To me, that's a touchdown. They're so inconsistent with that call. I don't know what a touchdown or a catch is any goddamn MO. I don't know.

[Ocho]

I agree, I agree with you 100. Because like I said, what I thought was a catch, I, you know, sometimes they, they, they let. It is like his hands under like, bro, he caught that. He caught it. But give the Eagles credit today because Jalen hurts won him this game with his arm. 19 of 23, 326, three touchdowns. He was sacked three times. But he says, you know what? I'm not going to put the ball in harm's way. And he doesn't. But this is what it's going to take for them to get back to where they want to be. This has to be, this has, this, this has to be a regular. This has to be a normal occurrence. This can't be an outlier. This can't be an anomaly. They're not going to let Saquon.

[Chat]

You're not going to win the game.

[Ocho]

But that doesn't mean, that doesn't mean you don't attempt to Ocho, I'm not going to just and have him throw the ball because think about Ocho. He threw the ball 23 times. He didn't throw a 33, 43. I still, I still got to make you respect Saquon and If I get one on one coverage, A.J. devonte be ready.

[Chat]

Yeah, I saw him do that today too. I like that. And the replay was able to see it. He saw one, he saw one on one with A.J. brown and he went real slowly. I don't know what that means. Right there. It was that skinny post he saw, man, that skinny post. He hit him on that skinny post for that touchdown. Boom. I like that. That's going off script. That's going off script. No matter what play is called. AJ Brown, keep your eyes on me. If I see something, I'mma throw you a number and let you know what to do.

[Ocho]

The camera caught AJ after scoring the second touchdown today. This when you throw me the effing ball. What the f is that? Just throw me the effing ball. After the game, Devonte Smith said the play that resulted in 79 yard touchdown was there for them all game. He said he and his teammates said advocated for it at halftime after they scored Jordan, my lotto went to him and said, you call your shot. I like it. They do. But. But here's the thing, Ojo. You. You and I play a dependent position. John used to tell me, now I'm gonna. Hey, look, I'm gonna take your word for it. You was open. I'm gonna. Look, I'm. Now, if I go back and look at film and your ass wasn't open.

[Chat]

Hey, that's why you gotta be careful. You gotta be careful as a receiver, saying you open and really not knowing what's around you. You got to be sure, and you got to be definite. It's what it is. Cause if I come, we come back to that play and you were open in the first quarter, and we come back and run it maybe through, maybe in a different formation and hoping we get the same look defensively. Boy, you. You bet.

[Ocho]

Don't.

[Chat]

Don't lie to me.

[Ocho]

Hey, because I did that. I was in the game. I said, man, John, bro, T, I was open. He's like. He's like, t, you weren't open? I said, I was open. You know, I happened on film.

[Chat]

What it look like?

[Ocho]

He said, I tell you what, I'm gonna look at it tomorrow. If you're not open, it's gonna be hard pressing you to catch any passes. About two series later, I can't tell him. I said, hey, T, you know that play you was talking about? We were talking about? I wasn't open. Since you put it like that. You ain't gonna give me no passes. I wasn't open. But that's the thing. If you tell the quarterback, because they're gonna trust you, I'm open. Okay? You said it's. Hey, coach, devonte said he's open. Ocho said he's open. Okay, you better be open. But I thought. I thought Jalen Hurts played unbelievable football today. I thought he was decisive when it throws. We got outside the pocket. He was accurate with his throws. A.J. 4 for 120, 121 and two touchdowns. Uh. Hey, Devonte, 9 for a buck 80. A buck 83 and a touchdown. Long of 71, along with 79 on 11 targets. But think about it. 23 over 300 yards on 23 attempts. That's not a lot of attempts.

[Chat]

That's that. That's how efficient he is. That's called throwing the ball with efficiency, with efficiency, making all the right throws. And then when things break down in the pocket, I'm not, you know, I'm not gonna take off and run with the ball, Take off, run with the ball.

[Ocho]

He's looking, he, he's looking for guys to break. He's looking, he's looking to run the scramble drill.

[Chat]

Pointing people out, pointing direction, which way to go. And coming back.

[Ocho]

A.J.

[Chat]

Brown had a good one when he, when he had, when, when the play broke down to the right hit AJ Brown on the. It was third and 14. Oh man, that boy was out there dealing. And this is the good thing because now things change. Most of the time the way they play and the one they won, the way they won last year is Saquon Barkley had historic season running the ball. And most of the time for the Eagles they would run the ball to open up the pass. Well, hell, they not allowing the Eagles and Saquon to run the ball the way they did last. So maybe now what's going to happen, maybe things are going. They're going to win. Playing in reverse, we gonna have to throw the ball to open up the goddamn run.

[Ocho]

Absolutely right. Because they still add. Okay, he did. Cause I'm telling you what defense coordinator said he did that last week. Let's see if he could do it again because I saw Saquon do that. Do what he did last year for the entirety of the season. Saquon has a history. I'm gonna make him do it again. Ocho. The packers went on the road and they win in Arizona. But it wasn't easy. By the score of 27 to 23. Do you see how they looked in the first three, three and a half quarters? Ocho Jordan Love was 19 to 29, 179, one touchdown Josh Jacobs, 13 carries, 55 yards, two touchdowns. They win it. This is why you go get a Michael Parsons. If I'm going to make you the highest paid defensive player in NFL history, the highest non quarterback, you know what you got to do when you that guy. When you a Miles Garrett, when you a Michael Parsons, when you a TJ Watt, I need you to turn the lights out the building. I don't the first quarter. I don't care now I need to keep them. I need you to keep them out of the end zone. Did you see the relentlessness? You see how quick he beat that right tackle?

[Chat]

He wasn't worried about no holding either. He won't worry about no don't worry about who holding. Don't worry about who holding.

[Ocho]

No, I pay you for. As a matter of fact, I pay you 47 million run through the hole. That's why you. He's that good. Micah's that good. That first step, his ability, he can turn Speed to power. He can bend. He can wax on. He can rip. He can play over the guard. He can play. I mean, he. He can move up and down the line. He's too good of a player. This is why you go pay Michael Parsons. This is why you give up, quit Kenny Clark in two first rounders. For what you saw today. This is what he should be. Because you got Rashawn Gary on the other side. You got Wyatt. There is no reason he. That He.

[Chat]

He.

[Ocho]

He really. That dude. He. He. Sometimes I. I wonder if Micah really understands, but he's. How good he is.

[Chat]

I don't. I don't think he does. I don't think. And you know what? That's a good thing. It's a good thing that he doesn't understand how good he is. And he's just out there. He's just out there just playing football with no inclination in how good you really are. Unk. He had no sacks. He had one sack. Excuse me? He had one sack coming to the game. If I'm not mistaken, he had three today. And you already know how the game goes. You go week after week.

[Ocho]

They come in bunches. Remember I told you? They're like grapes. They're like grapes and bananas. They come in bunches.

[Chat]

You got three today. Now, probably watch next week, he have another three. And then you look up. Before you get to halfway through the season, you are damn near close to 10. Out the blue, out of nowhere.

[Ocho]

Because the thing is, you got Rashad Gary on the other side. He can rush the pass. So you got Wyatt pushing the middle, bro. Y'. All. Hey. Meet me at the quarterback. Ready? Break. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Meet me at the quarterback. Hey, we playing. Sorry, dbs. Hey, Rod Ed. Meet me in the end zone. What we do? What? Hey, what we doing today? We my house.

[Chat]

Salute.

[Ocho]

Meet me in the end zone. I was like, damn, Packers. But Jacoby Brissette played well. 25 or 36, 279, two touchdowns. Yeah, he did. He didn't hurt him. Trey McBride had 10 catches, 74 yards, two touchdowns. Marvin Harrison had two catches, 56 yards, 35 long. But in the end, that. That pass rush was just too much.

[Chat]

Too much.

[Ocho]

They were just relentless.

[Chat]

What's wrong with that? What's wrong?

[Ocho]

Think about it. Look at that. Quay Walker, a sack and a half. Micah had three sacks. Rashawn Gary had a sack. They sacked the quarterback six times. Well, that. That's. That's how it should be. You got two best two, two good Young pass rushes in Micah and Rashawn Garrett. You got Walker, who can rush the passer. You got Wyatt who can put pressure on the court of quarterback. There ain't no reason.

[Chat]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And then quarterback should have time to stand back there and pat that ball like that.

[Chat]

The fun, the good thing about it is you want. You didn't have to deal with Kyler Murray, who's all. Who's a dual threat quarterback. You're dealing with Jacoby Brissette, who's the statue. He ain't going nowhere. He ain't going nowhere. He ain't going nowhere. You, you get the ball and get the ball out your hands fast as possible. But when it mattered most, them sacks came in especially, especially Michael towards the end of the game.

[Ocho]

That. But see that's what I need. I need you to turn the lights out the building. Somebody gotta cut the lights off. What good, Ocho? What good is we. Oh, we got a guy that got 20 sacks, but then we allow them to go right down the field and get a touchdown. What good em 20 sacks doing me? I don't care. And this is how I look at offense and defense. And you can chat, you can call me crazy. Can you get done what you need to get done when you absolutely have to? Ocho, what good is having the number one ranked offense? I can't get a first down so the opposing team don't get the ball back. What good is having the number one defense? If I can't get off the field on third down, I can't keep them from getting in field goal rank. What does that do? I need it to matter. I got money, but I can't get nothing out of atm. We don't do me no good. The Panthers beat the Jets 13 to 6. Rico Dowdell. Rico Dowdle still appeared to be more dominant back. He had 79 yards rushing on 17 carries compared to Hubbard's 31 yards on 14 carries. We missed that, didn't we? He was one of our prize picks.

[Chat]

I told you. I told you. You ain't listen to.

[Ocho]

But see I thought. But see I was. I was thinking was coming back.

[Chat]

I told you. Don't worry about that man. Doubt. Doubt got the goddamn. He got the hot hand. Always bet with your hot hand.

[Ocho]

Yeah. 96 yards. He was supposed to get 79.

[Chat]

How many he get?

[Ocho]

96.

[Chat]

You got to listen to me sometime.

[Ocho]

I know, but I got taekwondo. Taekwond got him. He had to get seven yards. He caught one deep one. Hey. Justin Fields was bent at halftime in favor of longtime backup Tyrod Taylor. J signed fields to a two year, $40 million deal, including 30 Gar. 30 million guaranteed. They only needed six and a half games to realize he's not looking good. Don't look like he'd listen. He had. He was 6 or 12, 46 yards. My thing is, look, it doesn't seem like he processes it as fast as he should. And the quarterback, Ojo, it's got to be like that.

[Chat]

It kind of make me sad a little bit because I understand what Justin Fields has had to go through so far early in his career. He had to deal with the. With issues over in Chicago where they felt he wasn't the answer. And we've always had the conversations about quarterbacks that have gone through Chicago and weren't developed the right way, didn't have. They didn't have the right tools around them to help them develop. And every quarterback has always seemed to not really flourish there. And now he goes to Pittsburgh and you think, maybe I'll get an opportunity to compete for the starting job. He wins the starting job due to injury. Played well when Russell Wilson was hurt, and obviously he gets benched when Russell Wilson comes back. So I'm thinking, okay, boom. Now this is your team. You have nobody to worry about, nobody looking over shoulder. It's just your team with a job for you to lose. And I thought he would be the answer for the foreseeable future. And so far, how it's turned out, things just haven't worked out. They just haven't.

[Ocho]

It haven't. And at some point in time, we can't keep blaming everybody else, Ocho. We can't. I, I was a little concerned when he couldn't beat out Jake from for the starting job at Georgia. I was like, well, damn.

[Chat]

Damn.

[Ocho]

He like Jake from no Hellraiser. You know, I'm saying, okay, okay. Joe Burrow. Okay. Trevor Lawrence. Okay. You don't beat them out. I ain't got no problem with that. Okay. You can't beat out a Jones from a. That was at Alabama. Okay, I get that. But Jake from what. Like I said, whatever it is, it's not. I don't, I don't know. And I, I think they're gonna stick with time. Now, I know Ty Rock, it was at a bad spot. Tyrod had come in and, you know, you, you. They know you're going to throw the ball. You can't run it. Bree hall tweeted something last week, made it seem like, you know, free breeze or something like that. I don't know what's going on there, but Justin Fields has got to do a better job. He's got to see the field better. He's got to process it sooner and. Or he can't play. You can't play quarterback if you don't have. If you. If you can't process information on.

[Chat]

And you got to. You got to process it fast.

[Ocho]

You gotta be. You gotta be able to recall. You gotta be able to call it and spit it out. And when you see it, it's gotta be, boom. It's gotta go.

[Chat]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I mean, it is what it is to play that position.

[Chat]

Damn, man, that. That, that sucks. That sucks. But on the other. On the other hand. On the other hand, let's talk about. Let's talk about my Panthers. Yes.

[Ocho]

I'm saying Bryce Young, 15 to 25, 138, one touchdown. He did leave the game. Andy Dalton came in 4 for 74 of 7 for 60 yards. Both players were sacked. Bryce Young was sacked once. Andy Dalton was sacked once. But Leggette had his game 9 for 92 for 100 yards. And remember, Ocho, he called the. That one. That sealed it.

[Chat]

Yeah. Hey, I. I told y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Chat]

Hey, Chat. Chat. Don't try to jump on the bandwagon now. Don't try to jump on the bandwagon now.

[Ocho]

Your two teams, Bears in the the.

[Chat]

Before the season started, I told you they're gon two teams that y' all need to watch. They're going to be two teams that y' all need to watch. I said it was a Chicago Bears because they got Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams. It was going to be a beautiful marriage. Right now, I think the Bears sit four and two, if I'm not mistaken. Now, the Carolina Panthers. Nobody believed in us, but I believed in us. I talked about Bryce Young, brother Hunter Winfrey, brother Jimmy Horn, Xavier Leggett going into his second year eating raccoons and doing whatever he do. One of his best games is a nine for 92 in a TD. A TD to seal the game. I'm telling you, JC Horn, boy. I see you. I see you. And one of the better corners in the league, especially when it comes to man to man. I see you.

[Ocho]

Huh?

[Chat]

Don't think I'm not gonna go change that Madden rating. I see you. I know, brother. Brother. Canelo's got to be smiling from idiot man.

[Ocho]

Carolina's defense sacked the jets quarterback six times for 33 yards and losses. Carolina four and three. Hey, they're in second place. They're tied for second place where I think Atlanta. But he might be in front of lni. Obviously Tampa's in first place. We'll see what happens with Tampa tomorrow.

[Chat]

As they play and that's gonna be a game.

[Ocho]

But Carolina four three.

[Chat]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Jets fall to zero. Chiefs BTA the Raiders 31 nothing. Rasheed Rice came back on the field and my homeboys and Andy Reid didn't waste any time getting him to the chief. Look, really, this is the best the Chiefs looked in a while. And mah boy start. Look he, he. He started to look like he did three, two, three, four years ago. Oo momes. 26 and 35, 286, three touchdowns, clean game, turnovers. Pacheco. Then he ran the ball 41 times. 152. Travis Kelce, 3 catches, 54 yards. Rashid Rice, 7 catches, 42 yards, 2 touchdowns. Smith had 5 for 5 for 42. Taquan 13. Thornton had 1 for 39. Juju 3 for 35. Xavier Worthy 3 for 35. Noah Gray 1 for 28. Hollywood Brown 2 for 14 and a touch.

[Chat]

Everybody, Everybody getting in on the party, huh?

[Ocho]

Gino, you're gonna lose your job, bro. You keep this up. 10 for 16. 67 yards. Hold on, Ocho, I want to read something to you. I want you to. And this, this was like the jets were last week. The Raiders had three first downs. The Chiefs had 31st down.

[Chat]

Jesus Christ.

[Ocho]

They were all of seven on third downs or of one on fourth downs. They had a great. They ran 30 total plays. The Chiefs had as many first downs as the Raiders had played. Chat, you heard me correctly. The Chiefs had as many first downs 30 as the Raiders had total plays 30. The Chiefs had 434 total yards. The Raiders had 95 total yards. The Chiefs possess the football. 42 minutes and eight seconds. It's a 60 minute game. That means the Raiders possessed the football less than 18 minutes.

[Chat]

It is almost as if the Raiders is not an NFL team. It's almost as if the Raiders don't belong on the field with the Kansas City Chiefs.

[Ocho]

Well, they didn't today. And then their best defensive player got. Got hit in the knee and he went out. Max Crosby. Damn, man, the Chiefs look Patrick Mahomes look good. You know Patrick Mahomes out there throwing no look passes. You see him and juju on his. A guy come he dumping the juju right now. They go get first downs. Hollywood Brown is. Hey, cross the guy's face. I'm gonna hit you in the end zone. You'll get your cheap Touchdown. But they're looking good. And when they're looking like this and the defense is playing like they're playing Ocho.

[Chat]

It's so funny. When the Chiefs started 02, everybody has something to say. Yeah, they look bad offensively. They look bad on defense. This ain't working. This ain't work. And now look four weeks later. Yeah, looking like the Kansas City Chiefs of old. Everybody back, healthy.

[Ocho]

They got.

[Chat]

Now they having fun.

[Ocho]

You hit the nail on the head. They got everybody back healthy. I mean, think about it. You got Rasheed Rice back. Who's your number one? Xavier Worthy, who stepped up in the absence and he grew. You get Tyquan Thornton, who all of a sudden he looks like, okay, now I see why the Patriots took him in the second round. Yeah, he can run, but he can play. Now he. He's not going to get the. The same opportunities that he got before because Rashid Rice is back. But juju is all reliable. You know, they're gonna throw up. They're gonna. Hey, they're gonna put running Smoke screen, jailbreak screen. They're gonna run. They can do a lot of different things with JuJu 20, 24, the running. He's a running back and. And a receiver. You can do a lot of different things. Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes. You know, he's scrambling and make plays, but the thing is, he's not turning the ball over when he takes care of the football. The Chiefs are almost impossible for you to beat them if they don't turn the football over. And he's done a great job of that. He looked 14 touchdowns, two interceptions. He's starting to look like the Patrick Mahomes that we're used to seeing. Lo Cho in the game before that, the Lions beat the Bucs 24 to 9. Jir Gibbs, 218 yards from scrimmage. He had 17 carries, a buck 36. He had 82 yards on three catches. Oo, he had that. They had that combo block. You see, that was the guard, the tackle that did a combo block, moved that moved that dn out the way, got up on that backer. And when he hit that hole, I said, bro, I feel. I feel. I felt bad for Winfield Jr. Because they like, bro, that man got a head.

[Chat]

Might well stop running.

[Ocho]

You must. Hey, he should have just started taking off, try to run it and try to intercept him at the 5 UN.

[Chat]

He took an angle. That angle ain't matter. Listen, Jameer Gibbs. Jir Gibbs is probably the closest thing we have to Chris Johnson. He probably the closest thing we have to Chris Johnson right now in the NFL at the running back position. He doesn't get talked about enough. We talk about Bijn.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He got that kind of speed? Yes, he got that kind of speed. Ojo. He look fast.

[Chat]

He sure. He sure does.

[Ocho]

But you can't let a guy with that kind of speed oo come to the line of scrimmage unscathed. Once he gets past this, you don't make him check his feet.

[Chat]

Listen, sometimes even if you make him check his feet, he still might get you.

[Ocho]

True, true. But. But without checking his feet, you don't.

[Chat]

At all. At all.

[Ocho]

You got to think about it.

[Chat]

He didn't get touched right through there clean. And it's.

[Ocho]

Hey, hold on. That's like. It's like we say about Derrick Henry. You got to make him check his feet. Because if you let him get a run and start coming downhill, hell no. Don't nobody want to tackle it.

[Chat]

Who. I'm gonna make a business decision. I'm hit every. Every shoelace he got.

[Ocho]

I'm gonna let him get past me and jump on his back. Hey, hell no. You ain't gonna knock me out. Hell no. 24 to 24 to 9. Detroit go to 5 and 2. Tampa falls to 5 and 2. Jerry Goff was 20 or 29. 241. One touchdown, one interception. Was sacked four times. Me, I don't think either quarterback paid particularly well. I thought Baker had the worst of the two nights because he was high on a lot of throws. He missed twice for touchdowns. He had Ibuka once and hit the DB in the back. And then he had another one that he wasn't able to step into it. He undershot him on that one, but I thought he was high. He missed a lot of throws. He had a lot of guys open, though, Joe. He. He was high tonight for some reason. I don't know if the pressure got to him or what the case was, but he was high on a lot of throws tonight. They didn't run the ball particularly well. 12. They didn't have a whole lot of rush attempts. 12 carries for 41 yards. Baker threw it 50 times because they fell behind. They were down 14 to 3. And then Jerry Goff had had that turnover. But Detroit defense is playing unbelievable.

[Chat]

Hey, they got to get Kelvin Shapa this flowers. They got to give Kelvin hell of a job. Not only. Not only did he call one hell of a game, right. Understand all the injuries that they have right? Now the whole, the whole back end is gone. Damn near.

[Ocho]

Joseph, Brian Robinson. Armstead. I mean, Arnold. Excuse me, Arnold, not Armstead.

[Chat]

Arnold, man.

[Ocho]

Brian.

[Chat]

Brian Branch tearing out.

[Ocho]

Oh, Brian Branch. No. Carrie, Rob. Kerry. What's Kerry? Joseph. Joseph. He's. Yeah, Kirby. No, it's K. Yeah, Kirby. Kirby. Joseph. Hey, Arnold. So they got three starters out in the secondary. And those guys that came in, oh sure, they played their ass was ballin ballin'. They played their ass off. Hallett. Eight tackles. What you call was being his disruptive self. Hutchinson, he didn't have a sack, but he caught a hutch.

[Chat]

Hutch nice. Now hutch nice.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Wheat had a sack and a half. Barnes had a sack, Jack Campbell had a sack.

[Chat]

The offense didn't look like itself though today on. It ain't looking like itself.

[Ocho]

No.

[Chat]

And obviously you're going. You're going against the Tampa Bay defense. They. They ain't no slouch either. They ain't no slouch either. So I think that's why it almost. Look, I hate using the word human, but most of the time we watch the Lions offense, they do things that are different from everybody else. They take chances that other teams definitely wouldn't take. Going forward for fourth and fourth, going forward for fourth and two.

[Ocho]

I mean, they put a lot of pressure on. You can't relax.

[Chat]

Exactly, exactly.

[Ocho]

So and see, that's the thing normal tonight with the Lions. It's really four downs. Because a lot of teams you like, okay, we get the third eight, let's get off the field on third down. Nah, there's a great chance you're probably gonna have to stay on the field if it's fourth and four less depending on where. First of all, if it's fourth and one and they're near midfield, you might as well you. If it's. If they're on the other side of midfield and if it's probably fourth and.

[Chat]

Third, that's throw down territory.

[Ocho]

They going, yeah, they put a lot of. They put a lot of damn pressure on you and it. And it's hard to stay focused because they're so creative. They do a lot of things. Hey, man, you saw this Swing that ball to Jir Gibbs and Pan was out there running. Look at.

[Chat]

Hey, Panay was moving, huh? Yes. I'm like, wait a minute, look at Buddy.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I'm glad Winfield dodged him because he running that fast. He hit somebody. He'd hurt somebody, man. Almond Ross St. Brown was. Almond Ross St. Brown, he had six catches, 86 yards, a touchdown gives with three for 82. Gibbs again, 17 carries, a buck 36, two touchdowns. He, I mean, I don't know. Look, we talk about these backs and there's some great backs, but right now, Gibbs, Bishon Robinson and Jonathan Taylor, they're the top three backs currently playing in the NFL. Absolutely.

[Chat]

You know what? I hate the fact that we have to leave Saquon off that list, but I think at some point, oh, we got to hey, listen, as the season goes on, I think things will open up. He just has to continue to be patient, keep on chugging. You know those runs are going to come because as you start to have success in the past, maybe, just maybe defenses say okay, you know what we not going to make Jay. We're not going to allow Jalen Hurst to beat us. Since Saquon hasn't had any success so far this season, let's see if he can still do what he did last season.

[Ocho]

The Seahawks take down the Texans 27 19. JSN Jackson, Smith and Jigba and the Seahawks defense were sensational and Texans offense at some at many points in time tonight. Ocho looked it up. CJ Stroud look you're gonna see had decent numbers but it was late in the ball game when they needing meaningful third down conversion. When they needed meaningful first fourth down conversion when they needed to get the ball into the end zone. They came up came up really short. Sam Darnold was awful tonight. They won the game but he was awful. Two terrible picks, got strip sacked in the end zone, almost got locked for another safety. Let's start from let's start. Let's, let's take it from go ahead and take a start from Seattle. Seattle won the game. They're five and two if I'm not mistaken. I think they're tied with the 49ers for number one in the division at five and two, followed by the Rams. But yeah, that deep Seattle's mother they're very disruptive. Okay, so all the Rams, Niners and Seahawks are all 5 and 2. Obviously the Cardinals are not 5 and 2. Jackson, Smith and Jigma. Hey look we can say all I know is this. You can rank him where you want to but I don't believe he's going to be there very much longer. He is the best route. Hey, he can do it. All that relief he got the release game. He quicker the cat on the hot on a marble table. Got great hands man. He's special. He's special. And they got a lot of guys that come out of Ohio State. They Got Olave and they got Garrett Moss and they got Michael, they got a. Marvin Harrison Jr. And they got J. But that kid there, he nice.

[Chat]

He's nice every. He's everything that is advertised. Everything. And I mean, listen, he's always been. You understand now you understand how good he is. When the team was willing to let DK Metcalf go and let Ty Locker go because they understood what they had on their hands. They understood what they had on their hands. He's very good, very good. Very, very sharp, very polished receiver.

[Ocho]

Cooper cup threw one pick out. Sam Darnold had one pick. Cooper cup threw the pick that over through the. The db, overthrew the receiver and. And got it picked. But Sam Darnold still was awful, even with the one pick and the strip sack in the end zone. You.

[Chat]

You know what? You, you know, honestly, Sam Donald, they have a game like this, huh? Because it. It took for him to get to week seven to have this type of game where it looked nasty and they needed the defense of Satan. Because the defense, it looked like the Houston Texans, especially in the first. The first half, it. Like they didn't even belong in the goddamn game. They couldn't get anything going offensively. They couldn't find any rhythm. C.J. stroud was. Was flushed out the pocket. He was flushed up. Up in the pocket. He had some drops as well. So I mean, it. It. It didn't help them. It was 24. It was. No, that was. That was Nico. Nico Collins. I have one question now. What. What happened with. With Joe Mixon?

[Ocho]

He hurt? They say he dealing with an injury from still from last year.

[Chat]

Supposed to come back after week four, if I'm not mistaken.

[Ocho]

Nah, I think that's one of. One of the reasons why they ended up signing the job because of that. But see, this is what's concerning because we saw this last year with Sam Donald, remember late in the season when they started playing when they got had to play Detroit and they had to play teams with defenses and we see what happened. That can certainly. Look, their defense is going to keep them in every game. Absolutely. Their defense is going to keep them in every game because they're that good now when they get Witherspoon back. But that D line, that front seven.

[Chat]

Hey, Leonard Williams, Ernest Jones, the fourth Williams. Hey, they the real deal. How close. How close do you think they are? Well, no, all right, that's. That's kind of.

[Ocho]

I think the Rams is the best team in that division.

[Chat]

Okay. Me personally, because of the offense.

[Ocho]

But if, If Their defense is good, too. Now, don't sleep on the defense.

[Chat]

Are they as good as. Are they as good as the Seahawks?

[Ocho]

But let me ask you a question. Is the Seahawks offense as good as the Rams? Because remember that they did what they did to Jacksonville without Puka. Yeah. They can run it with Kyron Williams. I think the Rams running game is a little better than the Seahawks. Let's just say for the sake of argument, I think they're passing game. I definitely know the quarterback is better. Matthew Stafford is better than Sam Darnold. Now you going to go wide receiver. You say Puka, Devonte, Adams, Higby, are they as good as Seattle's? Re. Right?

[Chat]

Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

[Ocho]

So I, I'll get, I'll give them, I'll give them the nod. They can rush the passer with those two guys on the edge. They're good. They're really good.

[Chat]

You got to forget now we. The Seattle does have a triple crown winner that was just on that Ram team not too long ago.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Ocho, he ain't the same Mojo, you know that. You watch it.

[Chat]

Wait, wait, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Okay. Even if he's not the same, there's certain players, they're, they're, they're 100 or them being at 80 is sometimes better than other players that are at 100%. Of course, he's not now when you're looking.

[Ocho]

Not when you're looking at the Rams. So let me ask you a question. Is he better than Devonte?

[Chat]

Absolutely not.

[Ocho]

Okay. Is he better than Puka? No. So what do we do? So if he's their number two receiver, Puka's number one. He's number two. Now, if you want to say JSN and Puka right there, neck and neck because Puka's made the Pro Bowl. Puka's 100 catch guy, back to back seasons, if I'm not mistaken. So we know what Puka is. JSN is special. He, he really, I mean, this is really my first time just getting an opportunity to sit down and just watch him. Ain't no other games on because Ocho, you know, I'm trying to watch Seattle and I'm trying to watch this team and I'm trying to watch that team. But I'm talking about he had my undivided attention and I'm watching his releases and I'm watching him get in and out of breaks. Oh, he quicker than Cat on the.

[Chat]

Hot 10 rulebook, you know. You know, he was down. He came down here to Wide receiver workshop. So I was. I was.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Oh, did he?

[Chat]

Yeah, I was able to see it up close.

[Ocho]

And obviously he got feet on him, Ocho.

[Chat]

He got some good feet on him. He got some real good feet on him. It's one thing you think is. You hear about players and you think, oh, he come from Ohio State, so they just hype up those individuals. But he is everything he's advertised to be, especially when you get to see it up close in person. And then you see it happen tonight. Obviously not just tonight, but obviously throughout the entirety of the season. So it gives you a better understanding. Oh, now I get it. Now I see what all the hype was for. Now I see why it was so easy for them to let DK Metcalf go, let Tyler lock and go, because they understood what they had on their hands. They got something special.

[Ocho]

Oh, he.

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He. He.

[Ocho]

The real. He. The real deal, Ocho. He.

[Chat]

He.

[Ocho]

He is the. He is the real deal. And, you know, hey, after next season, they gonna have to come see him. He gonna probably be. He gonna a. He. He gonna look to get that high 30. He's gonna be in the high 30s, 40 million. I don't know how. Cause here's the thing. That contract. By the time he get his contract, that contract to be almost three years old, you can't keep saying, well, no, no, no, no, no. We keep dropping that. We keep driving that price up. We. We not finna just.

[Chat]

Hey.

[Ocho]

We not just finna get slotted. Oh, Chase the. Oh, no, Chase was the best. He got that money three years ago. Now it's time for us to pole vault, even if we not. But, man, that joker there, man, he is so quick. Ojo damn. In and out of the brakes. And he's so spiritual.

[Chat]

He's more. He's more quick than fast. He's not.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Chat]

So he's so goddamn quick, and he's able to manipulate DBs. But you ain't see that. You ain't see that. That.

[Ocho]

I saw that release. He faked him inside and he got outside on it.

[Chat]

The Dino. The Dino route on. On Stingley.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chat]

Stop playing.

[Ocho]

But the thing is, Ocho, perfect. A perfect throw a beat, perfect coverage. You can't throw. You can't play it anymore. Better than that. Because I got the honor. I got to honor that for the simple fact, Ocho, is that he could possibly run the 7 route on me. So I just can't sell out to the post. Ain't nobody in the hole. But if you look at when Sam Darnold threw that ball and he hadn't even broke yet, that ball was out.

[Chat]

Of his head, already gone.

[Ocho]

Now the only thing I will say, Stingley gave up a 7 route with a safety in the hole. Bro, run to his hip. If you run the post, the safety should knock you out. I need to be doing this to the ambulance to come get you. But you not finna run no 7 route and cover one on me. Cause guess what? I ain't going for. I ain't going for the post move. Cause I got a safety in the hole. I'm gonna run to your hip. Cause that's why I'm vulnerable. And guess what? Get them every time. Because you know what, man, I'm gonna get. I'm gonna undercut this seven route. I'm gonna undercut you. See they get so caught up, man. I'm gonna D up Ocho. They get out, Ocho, you give them that head. Oh, I'm gonna get this, bro. You got you weak over here.

[Chat]

No, no need to cheat.

[Ocho]

And you get them every time.

[Chat]

No need to cheat it.

[Ocho]

But man, I don't know what to see. Look, CJ's 23 or 49, 229. One touch, one touchdown, one interception. He was sacked three times. He was pressured, relentlessly. Dodged the bullet. He got strip sacked. The guy fumbled the ball. That should have been. That should have been a. That was a fumble but ended up turning into a touchdown.

[Chat]

It should have been a touchdown.

[Ocho]

It could have, should have. It absolutely should have been a touchdown. The offensive line, I don't know what they doing. I don't. I mean, you look at them and sometimes you got two guys blocking one guy and another guy running. Scot free, bro. Pass that ish off and don't turn your body. Just put a hand there so you can see it's coming. Cause once you do this, it's a wrap to try to turn back. That guy going to be on your shoulder so fast, man, you ain't got a chance.