BEST OF NFL Week 9 Part 1: Is Brock Purdy NEEDED with Mac Jones BALLING? + Daniel Jones looking AWFUL, More!

Summary

Club Shay Shay — BEST OF NFL Week 9 Part 1

Host: Shannon Sharpe (“Unk”), iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media
Date: November 5, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this “Best Of NFL Week 9” episode, Shannon Sharpe (“Unk”) and Chad “Ocho” Johnson (“Ocho”) break down the biggest storylines from another wild NFL weekend. They focus on the high-profile performances, quarterback controversies, defensive showcases, and the heartbreaks that defined Week 9. The conversation is loaded with NFL analysis, memorable one-liners, and signature banter about rising and falling teams, questionable coaching decisions, and unforgettable plays.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Buffalo Bills vs. Kansas City Chiefs: Defensive Statement

• Bills win 28–21; Allen outduels Mahomes (01:20–06:00)
  • Mahomes has rare off-night: “First time in his nine-year career that he was held under 4.50% passing…a streak of 142 games…NFL record to start a career.” (Unk, 01:20)
  • Joey Bosa’s impact: Chiefs “couldn’t block him…he called, he caused havoc.” (Ocho, 02:23)
  • Bills’ offense: “Josh Allen…23 for 26 for 273 [yards] a TD. James Cook out there cooking…27 carries, 114.” (Ocho, 03:23)
  • Discussion: Bills now ‘own’ the regular-season matchup, but “In the regular season, Josh Allen is 5 and 1 against Patrick Mahomes…but that’s not where it matters.” (Ocho, 03:40)
• Buffalo’s revived run game / KC’s defensive adjustment:
  • “First time [Chiefs] given up a 100- yard rusher in 20 something games…longest…streak.” (Unk, 05:02)
  • KC’s flaws: “If Kansas City can’t stop the run, they can’t win.” (Unk, 05:17)

Quote:

“If you can’t beat man coverage in the NFL…you got two jobs that’s available for you: car salesman and coaching.”
— Unk [06:54]

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2. The Quarterback Question: Draft Regrets & Team Identity

• Denver’s missed Josh Allen (07:49–11:19)
  • Unk laments choosing Bradley Chubb over Allen: “Why would you…You never…You needed a quarterback!” (Unk, 08:17)
  • Ocho reflects on front office misjudgments: “If they knew [Josh Allen] would have turned out to be what he is now…they wouldn’t have hesitated.” (Ocho, 09:12)
  • Philosophy of team-building: “Without a quarterback, you’re not going nowhere.” (Unk, 08:30)
• Evolution of NFL defense:
  • “You’re not winning a Super Bowl playing that style of football. First of all, the rules prohibit it.” (Unk, 10:15)

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3. 49ers, Mac Jones, and the ‘Backup’ Revelation

• Christian McCaffrey’s star power, Mac Jones’ fit (12:00–15:34)
  • “Mac Jones played incredibly well…He’s what I thought he would be in this office. This offense is perfect for Mac Jones.” (Unk, 12:42)
  • McCaffrey’s stat line: “173 yards from scrimmage, 106 on ground…” (Unk, 12:54)
  • Jones’ game: “19 of 24, 235, two touchdowns. No…Oh, he fumbled one.” (Unk, 14:03)
  • Playoff prospects: Potential for three teams from NFC West to make playoffs. (Unk, 13:53)
  • Ocho’s take: “They filter [the offense] through McCaffrey...makes everything so much easier because defense is worried about McCaffrey because he’s a dual threat.” (Ocho, 14:26)

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4. Personal Resilience: Dayon Henley’s Moving Story

• Chargers’ win, Henley plays after brother’s tragic death (15:34–18:07)
  • Unk recounts: “Henley came through today…seven tackles, his third sack…only thing consistent right now in my life…it’s football.” (Unk, 15:34)
  • Heartfelt discussion of family, pain, and football’s role as an anchor.
• Game details: Chargers’ defense prevails, Herbert leads as rusher.
  • “Justin Herbert was the leading rusher with 57 yards on nine carries.” (Unk, 16:58)

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5. Red Zone Woes & Team Offenses: Reality Check

• Red zone is hard:
  • “I’m trying to help get you to better understand how difficult it is to score in the red zone.” (Ocho, 18:53)
  • “Once you get inside that 20, boy, you got to be creative as hell, or you got to have some players that can win one on one.” (Ocho, 24:51)

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6. Rams Dominate Saints, Stafford’s MVP Pace

• Rams win 34–10. Stafford’s stat line: “24 of 32, 281, 4 touchdowns, no turnovers.” (Unk, 19:16)
  • “He should be…leading the league…if not leading, top three in touchdowns.” (Ocho, 20:00)
  • Defense is “can get after you…there’s really no weak link.” (Ocho, 22:00)
• Rule change frustrations:
  • Banter about NFL’s QB protection. “I can’t land on you…I gotta land to the side…Can’t put my body weight…That’s crazy.” (Unk, 21:38)

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7. Broncos’ Defensive Identity & Consistency Questions

• Broncos win ugly over Texans (22:14–25:19)
  • Broncos: Fourth win in a game where trailing in 4Q, four games not surrendering TD. “Six-game win streak, longest since [their] Super Bowl 50 run.” (Unk, 22:14)
  • Ocho: “When you have a defense like that…there’s really no weak link.” (Ocho, 22:59)
  • Unk: “But as great as the defense played, if Bo Nix doesn’t do what he does, right, they’re not winning.” (Unk, 23:38)
  • Red zone struggles—“Once you get inside that 20…you got to have some players that can win.” (Ocho, 24:51)

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8. Minnesota’s Upset Over Detroit: Defense Wins

• Vikings ride defense, stymie Lions run game (30:39–33:48)
  • “Minnesota played really well. J.J. McCarthy…I thought played well today…” (Unk, 31:40)
  • Ocho: “It was the defensive day. Neither offense had…crazy production…If Brian Flores can stop the run, Minnesota can win.” (Ocho, 32:02)
  • Sacks and penalties: “Both quarterbacks were sacked five times…Detroit committed 10 penalties, season-high.” (Unk, 33:13)

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9. Colts-Steelers: Turnover Mayhem

• Steelers defense resurrected; Daniel Jones’ ‘awful’ day (35:33–37:09)
  • “Daniel Jones…he was awful. Ain’t nowhere around that he played terrible today, but that right tackle gave it up.” (Unk, 35:35)
  • “After five sacks and six takeaways…and it’s still a game, lets you know just how good they can be if they don’t turn it over.” (Unk, 36:03)

Quote:

“Daniel Jones had a bad day, but he’s looked phenomenal all season long. So having one day like this, okay, boom, I’m human…back to the drawing board Monday morning.”
— Ocho [37:42]

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10. Falcons vs. Patriots: Penalty Heartbreak

• Controversial snap simulation, missed PAT, Patriots clutch (38:08–43:03)
  • Patriots’ defense simulates snap, creates chaos: “Raheem Morris said the Patriots defense simulated a snap on a key fourth downplay by clapping…led to an intentional grounding penalty…” (Unk, 38:08)
  • Patriots’ consistency: “Fact that the Patriots…figured it out already and got another damn quarterback…” (Ocho, 43:34)
  • On Miami: Ocho: “The Dolphins…we ain’t got the right answer since goddamn Marino.” (Ocho, 44:17)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Beating Man Coverage in NFL:
  “If you can’t beat man coverage in the NFL…you got two jobs that’s available for you: car salesman and coaching.” — Unk [06:54]

• On Defensive Rules Changing NFL Outcomes:
  “You’re not winning a Super Bowl playing that style of football. First of all, the rules prohibit it.” — Unk [10:15]

• On Mac Jones’ Performance:
  “He’s what I thought he would be in this offense. This offense is perfect for Mac Jones.” — Unk [12:42]

• On Dayon Henley’s Resilience:
  “…only thing consistent right now in my life…it’s football.” — Unk (on Henley’s tragedy) [15:34]

• On Red Zone Scoring:
  “Once you get inside that 20, boy, you got to be creative as hell, or you got to have some players that can win one on one and be phenomenal. That’s very difficult.” — Ocho [24:51]

• On Being a Fan after Playing:
  “I enjoy the game of football as if I never played it…because I’d never been on the other side…So I enjoy so much from a different perspective. It hurts a little bit more.” — Ocho [30:05]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Bills upset Chiefs, Mahomes struggles: 01:20–06:00
• Denver’s Josh Allen regret / Team-building: 07:49–11:19
• 49ers-Niners, Mac Jones shines: 12:00–15:34
• Henley’s resilience after tragedy: 15:34–18:07
• Rams dominate / Stafford MVP pace: 19:16–21:58
• Broncos win on defense, red zone talk: 22:14–25:19
• Vikings upset Lions, defense dominates: 30:39–33:48
• Steelers-Colts turnover fest: 35:33–37:09
• Falcons-Patriots controversy, kicker heartbreak: 38:08–43:03

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Final Thoughts

Unk and Ocho deliver their signature blend of comic banter, sharp football insight, and honest, sometimes stinging, analysis. Their player perspectives give depth to debates on team strategy, quarterback value, and even the emotional toll of being a player and fan. The episode is a must-listen (or read) for fans who want locker room wisdom, locker room jokes, and true NFL stories beyond just the box score.

Transcript

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[Unk]

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[Ocho]

No at all. He called. He caused havoc. He was disruptive. He was disruptive all night. He he for he forced Mahomes, made him uncomfortable. Get him off the Spot had him having to throw on the run, use his legs a lot and hit, you.

[Unk]

Know, sped up Juwan Johnson. I already know he gonna get, he gonna get, he gonna get, he gonna get illegal formation. He gonna line his ass up in the backfield. He gonna get a holding call. I already know that going into the game. Andy Reid is already counting that like, okay, he gonna get, he gonna get two. This guy is gonna get two, is gonna get two penalties.

[Ocho]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Unk]

So now let me, let me call plays according knowing that he's gonna get those two penalties. But they, they, they harassed him all night. They did a great job of, of pressuring him, making him making it very, very uncomfortable. Where's the score? But look at that. What, what, what you like about what you saw from Buffalo?

[Ocho]

Hell, Josh goddamn Allen on, man. Got Josh with a goddamn 23 for 20, 23 for 26 for 273 a TD. James Cook out there cooking 27, 2 to 7 carries. But 114 Kincaid has 6 for 101. Obviously Joey Bosa, we saw what he did defensively, but the goddamn Chiefs really couldn't, really couldn't get nothing going. Kareem Hunt had 49. Rice, I almost said Rasheed Rice. It is Rasheed Rice. Oh, Rashid Rice, I mean he only had four for 80. So they, the, the Bills defense kind of kept, kept the Chiefs in check. Mahomes was what, 15 for 34, 250 at interception. And listen, goddamn. It's the regular season. It's a good win for Buffalo. It's a good win, but it's the regular season. In the regular season, Josh Allen is 5 and 1 against Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs. But that is not where it matters. It's not where it matters. What are we going to do when they get to the AFC championship? Can you get over the hump then? And they gonna see each other again. And that's pro. That's probably gonna be the two teams to come out of the afc. Unless for some, some crazy reason the Ravens have a resurgence and Lamar is a magician and just bring, and just brings him back from, I mean, what's. What the Ravens? What, two and two and what?

[Unk]

No, they like, I think they were like three. Three games.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah, three. Yeah. That mean they might be three and six too.

[Unk]

I thought Buffalo did a great job. First of all, the Chiefs really didn't stand a chance because the Chiefs like to stop the run.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah.

[Unk]

This is the first time they've given up 100 yard rusher in what 20 something games, which was the longest current active streak.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Unk]

Okay, now we can't stop the run. Buffalo did a great job of doing what? Getting tranquil to cover tight ends and slot receivers.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Unk]

That's not what he is. He's a run stuffer. He's not covered. He's not a cover backer. So he didn't. You see Dawson Knox, you see Kincaid, you see they get Shakur maxed up on him because they motion and they know it's man coverage. If you can, if, if Kansas City can't stop the run, they can't win. Yeah. Because now you're at the mercy because they're gonna play action. You and guys gonna dip, dunk the ball. And they got two tight ends, they got two tight ends that can, can really can, can make a difference in the ball game.

[Ocho]

Right? Knox and Kincaid, boy, it's nice, boy.

[Unk]

And like you said, Josh Allen did a great job. He was 23. Think about it. 23 of, of 26.

[Ocho]

That's. That's dead.

[Unk]

You know how hard it is to go. To have three incompletions in an NFL game?

[Ocho]

The whole game. Only. Only three. That's crazy. What I do want is. I want. I don't know what's going on, but I would love for the resurgence of my young bull, Keon Coleman to be a little bit, A little bit more.

[Unk]

Can't separate Ocho, huh? He's a big body guy that needs to elevate. It's hard. It. I mean, look at it.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I, I like it.

[Unk]

He doesn't do, he doesn't win. He doesn't win against press coverage.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unk]

And the thing is, if he can't use his athleticism. Yeah, you keep saying the same thing. Keep saying the same thing. Go. If you go back and study him at Florida State, look at what he did. He's leaping over people, making catches.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Unk]

You can't be. If you can't beat man coverage in the NFL.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unk]

And you're not Uber.

[Ocho]

Uber.

[Unk]

I'm talking about like, like elite or the elite of the elite.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Unk]

If you can't beat man coverage, there are two jobs that's available for you. Car salesman and coaching.

[Ocho]

We gonna get him right? We gonna get him right? I, I just. He, he has too much talent. He has too much talent not to be, not to be being used.

[Unk]

He gotta be. Well, you gotta, you gotta work on his quits because he gotta be off. Get, get off man coverage. Yeah. Can't separate. Yeah.

[Ocho]

We gonna get him right? We don't get him right. We don't get him right.

[Unk]

Yeah, but I saw early on to what they were trying. What they were doing.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Is that they were getting those tight ends matched up on tranquil. Getting the linebackers matched up on the linebackers.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Unk]

Those are, those are run stuff in linebackers. And Josh Allen is a guy. I mean, they got him down three times, but he's so tough, man, because at 6, 6, 2, 5 5, he gonna break contain.

[Ocho]

It's a rap.

[Unk]

And even when you, you think you got him, he gonna do something. He, you know, he's a magician with the ball. He's, he's, Man, I, I, I rude. The days that he was supposed to be in Denver and we took, we took Bradley Chubb over Josh Allen.

[Ocho]

Well, he could have been in Denver, huh?

[Unk]

Yep.

[Ocho]

Damn. That's crazy. I mean, I think if you can go back and do the draft, there are a lot of teams that regret some of the players they've taken.

[Unk]

But my thing is, Ocho, we needed a quarterback. Why would you. You don't never. I, I get it. You wanted to pair Bradley Chubb with Von Miller. I'm not. You need a quarterback.

[Ocho]

Wait, hold on.

[Unk]

Without him, I don't give a damn who you pair with Von Miller. You can pair Pat Sartan with Von Miller. Without a quarterback, you're not going nowhere.

[Ocho]

Who was the quarterback that year where they chose Bradley Chub instead of going to get a quarterback?

[Unk]

Oh, man, please. Who was.

[Ocho]

Must have been somebody.

[Unk]

Was it the guy from Northwestern?

[Ocho]

And you know what? Also, when that, when that draft happened, you know, GMs and Scouts, they didn't really think Josh Allen would be who Josh Allen is now.

[Unk]

He was a project. He was listed as a project.

[Ocho]

If they knew, he would have turned out to be what he is now. Oh, they wouldn't have hesitated, man. They wouldn't have hesitated, but you just.

[Unk]

Didn'T know Case Keenum. We had Case Keenum, a journeyman. Case Keenum been with the Texans. He had been with the Vikings.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unk]

He'd been with, like, several teams. And you Pat. You pat. You thought Case Kingdom. You thought Case Kingdom. Hold on.

[Ocho]

But you, you know, remember we talked about, you talking about identity? Right.

[Unk]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Your identity was on defense back then during the time you speaking of, your identity was defense. So your office was gonna carry it because it wasn't no quarterback. You can gonna get that. It wasn't. No, it wasn't no Peyton Manning out there.

[Unk]

No. But you got to have a quarterback. I don't care how good your defense is? You don't got no quarterback. It ain't happening Un.

[Ocho]

Y' all had a great defense in Baltimore.

[Unk]

Yes.

[Ocho]

You just need a quarterback that can't turn the ball over.

[Unk]

Oo. They don't allow you to play like that. That was 20 years ago. You're not winning a Super bowl playing that style of football. First of all, the rules prohibit it.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Unk]

The incidental contact, the rough and the passer, the defenseless receiver, ain't none of that. Yeah, I understand they deter that now.

[Ocho]

But I'm saying a defense that good, the Broncos defense that. That year, the no. No fly zone, no fly zone Broncos.

[Unk]

They were gone then. There was no. There was no more DeMarcus Ware. There was no more. All those. Those guys were gone.

[Ocho]

Okay, my bad.

[Unk]

No, you had. And you get an opportunity to get a quarterback.

[Ocho]

Yeah. You take him.

[Unk]

You gotta. You that's a 15 year guy. You plug him in.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah. Well, you don't know he's a 15 year guy though.

[Unk]

Let me ask you a question. Let's just say for the sake of argument, even as great as Aaron Donald was, he didn't win no championship until they got Matthew Stafford. Three time defensive player of the year. A eight nine time first team all probably.

[Ocho]

Mm.

[Unk]

One of the greatest defensive players ever. Yeah, it took a quarterback.

[Ocho]

What do you think makes the perfect snack? Hmm, it's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient. Could you be more specific?

[Unk]

When it's cravinient.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Unk]

Like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter available right down the street at am, PM or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at am, pm. I'm seeing a pattern here. Well yeah, we're talking about what I.

[Ocho]

Crave which is anything from am, pm. What more could you want?

[Unk]

Stop by AMPM where the snacks and drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience ampm. Too much good stuff. Christian McCaffrey and the 49ers run all over the Giants on the way to winning 3424. McCaffrey recounted for 173 yards from scrimmage, 106 on the ground on 28 carries and 6867 yards on five catches. A week after a franchise low 10 rushing attempts. Shanahan team ran the ball 39 times for a buck 59. I'm not surprised. That's normally how it works when got a lot of his dad make up about him like okay, we got to get our Best player to football. Hand it to him. Mac Jones played incredibly well, and that's what Ocho. This is what you want from your backup. I need you to keep us afloat until the starter comes back. He's done more than that. He's been. He's been. He's been. He's what I thought he would be in this office. This office is perfect for Mac Jones. I mean, he got great anticipation. They run the football. They do a lot of play action, right? A lot of boots, a lot of rolls. McCaffrey was great today. Jennings caught a touchdown, ran a whip, you know, started inside.

[Ocho]

Ah, got it back out.

[Unk]

Kendrick Bourne did what Kendrick Bourne normally does. Look, it's tough when you. You. I mean, 21 for 117 yards. Not bad. Ocho Jackson Dart was 24, 33, 191, two touchdowns. But 49ers, 49ers, like I said, the 49ers, the Rams, and Seattle. You could possibly get three teams out of that division, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Hey, just like you got last year, you got three teams out of the NFC north, you might get three teams.

[Ocho]

I think.

[Unk]

But I thought Mac Jones, 19 or 24. Ocho 235. Two touchdowns. No. No turn up. Oh, he fumbled one. He lost. Lost the fumble.

[Ocho]

They go. They gonna come out. It's gonna be them in Seattle. They. They both gonna come out.

[Unk]

What about the Rams?

[Ocho]

Oh, the Rams is a.

[Unk]

You like the Rams to win the division? And those two teams, Seattle and 49ers get the wild card.

[Ocho]

Yeah, absolutely. This is the Rams automatic, huh? The Rams automatic. Especially when once they get Puga back. And with Puga and with Puga's absence, they still cutting the fool. Because Stafford and goddamn Devonte Adams out there having a goddamn ball. But Mac Jones is playing so well, especially when they filter the offense through. Goddamn. I'm getting ready to forget McCaffrey. McCaffrey. They fill that off and through McCaffrey. And then they run to open up the pass. And it makes everything so much easier because defense is worried about McCaffrey because he's a dual threat. Hell, if he's not running out the backfield, he. He isolated on with the m. Goddamn backup.

[Unk]

What. When is the 49ers bye week? Have they had their bye week yet? Caper got to be coming back pretty soon. But Mac Jones. Mac Jones has done his job. Mac Jones has done his job. Damn, they got to be. That got to be the latest buy.

[Ocho]

What happened?

[Unk]

49Ers buys, week 14.

[Ocho]

God damn.

[Unk]

That's what I said. The Chargers beat the Titans by the score of 2720. Dayon Henley's older brother, Jabari, was shot and killed Friday night in Los Angeles on Halloween. Henley came through today with seven tackles, his third sack of the season, a tackle for a loss, and a QB hit. Henley said after the game, right now, I'm just floating. The only thing that's consistent right now in my life and that is crazy to say, is football. So for me, that's why I'm out here. That's why I'm out there, because this is the most consistent thing that I've got in my life right now is football. And I'm just trying to make the most of it. Rest up, bro. We had him on the. We had him on Ocho and talked about, you know, we understand. He understand his father and the path that he chose, and he told him, you know, his father today, and he said, I don't want to go there. And his father, you know, made sure he shielded him and protected him from that.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Unk]

I don't know the situation, and I don't. I'm not gonna even speculate. All I know is the man lost his brother tragically. And so I don't want to get. But I'm saying he understands that, and he says, man, it's just like I saw his in the locker room. He's like, man, I'm just. He said, I just fell to my knees, man. To be honest with you, if I'm gonna be. If I'm gonna be all the way real with you guys, man, I can just imagine. Yeah, imagine. But he said, you know, he found out Denzel Pearman knocked on his door and woke him up and told him he need to call. You need to call home. And I can just. I can imagine the hurt and of. Of what. What he felt in that moment, and still, he's still dealing with it. Justin Herbert was 19 or 29. 252 touchdowns, one interception. Tennessee psyched him six times. Or Ronde Gaston the second. Five catches, 68 yards. Lamb account, 4 for 56. Quentin Johnson, 4 for 53 and a touchdown. Keenan Allen had 2 for 41. But Justin Herbert was the leading rusher with 57 yards on nine carries. Cam Ward, 12, 21, 145. No touchdowns, no interception, was sacked four times. They didn't run the ball particularly well. They didn't do anything particularly well today, and they were still in the ball game. Even though they didn't do anything really well offensively, Ocho, they still had chances in this ball game and give, if I'm not mistaken, I think the 49, 49er, the charger stopped them on, on goal to go on two occasions.

[Ocho]

See how, see, see, see what I talk about? See how hard it is to score.

[Unk]

Huh? What's in Texas? Yeah, the Titans. Yeah. So, yeah, I guess the Titans offense and the Bengals offense, that's, that's, that's similar. Okay, I get you though.

[Ocho]

Whoa, hold up.

[Unk]

I see what you're putting down.

[Ocho]

Come again? Who said that?

[Unk]

You said it. You said it's hard to score for the Titans. They got a rookie quarterback.

[Ocho]

I, okay, but, okay, I, I get.

[Unk]

Your, I, I'm picking up, I'm picking up what you been down.

[Ocho]

Don't, don't. That's, now that's disrespectful. That's totally disrespectful. I mean, we scoring 40 points a game. There's a difference.

[Unk]

But you was in the red zone and you didn't.

[Ocho]

No, I'm, I'm telling you, I'm trying to help get you to, to better understand how difficult it is to score in the red zone. It's very difficult.

[Unk]

You don't score when you got that kind of offense.

[Ocho]

Because there's only so much you can do when there's a small amount of field to work with, huh? Very, very, very small. Very, very small.

[Unk]

The Rams run rough, shot over the Saints 34 to 10. Matthew Stafford was 24, 32, 281, four touchdowns, no interceptions, no turnovers. Kyron Williams, 25 rushes, 114 yards. They ran the ball 43 times for 171 yards. Puka Nakua, seven catches, 95 yards a touchdown. Devonte Adams, five catches, 60 yards, two touchdowns. Ferguson, two catches, 54 yards. Allen, three catches, 37 yards. Tyler Higby had three, 13 and a touchdown. This is like how many touchdowns Matthew Stafford got? Damn.

[Ocho]

He should be, he should be leading the league. If he's not leading the league, he should be top three in touchdowns.

[Unk]

Because, I mean, he had five touchdowns against Jacksonville. He had four today. That's nine. I know he had at least nine in the other games that he's played. Two hundred and eighty one. But man, the Ram, I mean the, the Saints.

[Ocho]

Hey, they, they didn't listen, they didn't, they didn't bench Spencer Rattler for Tyler Shook and it don't matter. Hey, I, I, man, you got 21.

[Unk]

He leading the league. Who he tied with? I think Mahomes had 21 total touchdowns coming In. I don't think he had. I think he had like 18 passes. Okay, okay. Rams look good. They can get after you with the. Oh, they can get after you with that defense. Verse and Young.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they can get at. Listen, they can get after you on defense.

[Unk]

Fisk, man, Young got out the ball and they call it. He had a sack, but he hit the quarterback right up on his chin.

[Ocho]

Yeah, man. Hey, that's hard, man. When the boy be going full speed like that, coming off, coming off that edge, man, that's real hard.

[Unk]

It is. Nah, I can't. I can't land on you. I gotta land to the side. I can't put my body weight down on you.

[Ocho]

That's crazy. You know what they should do to be petty defensive ends and tackles that tackle the quarterback. She just tackle them and just hold them. Just, just hold them up. Just hold them just like, like, like child's play.

[Unk]

Just shove him in the back, get whip laugh. Hey, then they gonna say, you can't do that. They'll find a way to protect the quarterback. But I get it. I get it.

[Ocho]

The game we love how much it has changed.

[Unk]

All right, we'll get you out here on this one. Oo your Bengals. Oh, just got scored on again. Damn. Oh, we. Let's get to this game right here. The Broncos beat the Texans about to score 1815 will ls 34 yard game winning field goal. It was the Broncos fourth win this season in a game in which they trail the start of the fourth quarter. It was also the fourth game this season in which the Broncos defense has not surrendered a touchdown. Six game win streak, the longest since the 2015 Broncos when they went on to win Super Bowl 50. Hey, say it with me, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Hey, you see how good that defense is? You see what I mean? All field goals. You see what I mean? I know it's not the early 2000s, but when you have a defense like that where all three levels of your defense is very, very, very, very good, there's really no weak link. Well, actually, there is one weak link. They pick on him all the time.

[Unk]

Riley Moss.

[Ocho]

I mean, that would be your weak link. That would be your fish. Um, but other than that, man. Shoot. But y', all, y', all, y', all, y' all willing and Dylan.

[Unk]

But guess what? When they need to get in field goal, right? Go back and look at when they played the Giants.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unk]

What did the quarterback do? Bo Nicks. What did he do when they played the Eagles when they were down, what did Bo. Knicks do when they played the Houston Texas, and they needed to go. What did Bo Knicks do? As great as the defense played, If Bo Knicks doesn't do what he does right, they're not winning. Bo Nicks 18 to 37, 173, two touchdowns, intercepted. He was sacked once. Davis Mills was 17, 31, 37. He was sacked twice. They got. The Broncos had four sacks, if I'm not mistaken.

[Ocho]

I think.

[Unk]

I'm almost certain they're leading the league in sacks. They did a great job stuffing the run. 28 rush attempts for the Texans, 77 yards. The Broncos have had 18 rushes for 173 yards. But, you know, I. I just don't get the Broncos sometimes. I mean, sometimes they, like, they just go to. Up and down the field, just move up and down the field, and then again the next day, you know, like, bro, what. What happened? How. Why y' all struggling?

[Ocho]

Hey, it's difficult in the red zone. I told you. See, your own team having problems with it, too.

[Unk]

Hell, they barely got to the red zone.

[Ocho]

Hold on. You move up and down. You move up and down the field. You get in the red zone, and then you can't score. It's not. It's very difficult. It's hard. It's hard, especially if you don't score from far out. But once you get inside that 20, boy, you got to be creative as hell, or you got to have some players that can win one on one and be phenomenal. That's very difficult.

[Unk]

Oh. Oh, no. Oh. Yo, we only got to the red.

[Ocho]

Zone one time, but y' all sorry.

[Unk]

And we had two turnovers, and y'. All.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, y' all had two turnovers. Y' all were able to overcome it. We had two turnovers. We weren't able to overcome it. And we scored 38. Matter of fact, we scored 42. We scored 42. Now what you think? How you think we look if we had y' all defense.

[Unk]

Come on, Joe. You want everything? This man won't. This man wore everything. Who does Broncos have. Who? The Broncos play next week. You should be coming up to a buy.

[Ocho]

Yeah, should we? We own our buy. So I. Listen, I'm. I'm good. I ain't got to worry about nothing.

[Unk]

Oh, the Broncos got the Raiders on Thursday.

[Ocho]

Yeah, y'. All. Y' all gonna lose that game.

[Unk]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[Ocho]

Y' all gonna lose that.

[Unk]

Gonna Sack Gino by 10 times.

[Ocho]

Nah, I'm saying understand how football works. Understand how the football gods work. It's just the way it is. As Bad as the Raiders have played this off. I mean, this season in general, for some reason, it's a game like this one where you expect. You expect the Broncos to win, but.

[Unk]

I don't expect them to win. I expect them to play good. I expect the Raiders to play bad. And we win.

[Ocho]

Okay. Okay. Yeah. We gonna see who get the last laugh. All that laughing and Kiki and you was doing today, we gonna see. We gonna see next Sunday. We gonna see who get the last laugh.

[Unk]

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[Ocho]

Hey, boy, you feeling good? Boy, you feeling good? I mean, listen, rightfully so. But, boy, you gonna be in for the rude awakening. Boy gonna be in for the rule to. Wait, hold on. I got a pee pee.

[Unk]

Y' all see that? Some lucky fans gonna win that. And the Hispanic charity chat. Yeah. Ocho team. I'm. I'm. I'm. Oh, y' all know Ocho was ready glow after they took that, got that onside kick and end up scoring that touchdown. Y' all know Ocho was up there happy. He was celebrating. It was short lived, though. It was very, very short lived. Somebody is going to win. Well, you have to buy these, but somebody's gonna win this one. Purchase something on 84.com and automatically be enrolled entered to win this Hispanic heritage. Yeah. Oh, oh, okay. Okay. So if you purchase merchandise, you'll automatically be entered to. To win all four of these hats. Hopefully it's a Raven, a Steelers or a Bengals or a Browns fan. Cause everybody else know that. Yeah. Ocho, you was happy. You were they when y' all scored that touchdown, they got the onside kick and just scored again. You was happy with it, Ocho?

[Ocho]

I was hyped. Absolutely, I was hyped. Listen, I was jumping up and down, I was hitting my kids, looking at me, boy, daddy, what's wrong? I say nothing, boy, we about to win, baby. What you mean, what's wrong?

[Unk]

No, it ain't about to happen.

[Ocho]

And man, that's such a. Oh, my goodness. Man, if I could explain the letdown and the hurt and then boom, it hit me.

[Unk]

Couldn't happen.

[Ocho]

Why do I always do this? Why do I always do that? You invest so much into a team. Not only did I play for him, but I still support him. I still show.

[Unk]

I know you do.

[Ocho]

And I'm invested Into it. I'm investing into the seasons as if I'm a fan. Unk. I enjoy the game of football as if I never played it. As if I never played it. That's why anytime I go to a game, like the fan experience for me is like. It's like it's new to me. Cause I'd never been on the other side. I've never been in the stands. I've always been on the field. So I enjoy so much from a different perspective. It hurts a little bit more. It hurts you a little bit more. Because I played the game. I played the game and I want and I'm looking and I know what you're supposed to do.

[Unk]

That's why I said you can't divest. You can't become desensitized because you care too much. It's nice try though. I mean, you try to convince yourself of that. But you and I both know that's not the case. Ocho. The Minnesota Vikings go In, they get J.J. mcCarthy back, and they go in and they beat the Detroit Lions by the score of 27 to 24. J.J. mcCarthy 14 to 25, 1 43, two touchdowns, one interceptions. Aaron Jones Senior had nine carries, 78 yards. They ran the ball 29 times for 142. But it was Minnesota's defense. Jerry Golf was 25 of 37, 284, two touchdowns. But they stuff Sonic and Knuckles. Yeah, 20 rushes, 65 yards, and one costly turnover. David Montgomery fumbled the ball, and that was the difference in the ball game. But they got after Jerry Goff, they sacked him five times.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Unk]

Minnesota played really well. J.J. mcCarthy, I thought, played well today. He was able to move around, buy some time. But especially that back breaker where he ran the ball. He's broke, contained. He got the ball in the end zone. Justin Jefferson, he had a touchdown. Addison had two catches for 48 yards. Jetta had six for 47. Hawkinson had two for 11.

[Ocho]

But, well, listen, it was. It was a defensive day, huh? It was the defensive day. Neither offense has had, you know, extreme, extreme crazy production, you know, what we're used to seeing. And I knew if Ryan Flores could find a way to stop the run, I mean, most of the time when team the run, when Detroit can't run the ball, they're still able to be efficient through the air. They're still able to be efficient through there, but Brian Flores, dialing up that goddamn pressure, you know, excuse me, getting. Getting golf, office golf, a spot. I mean, they play really.

[Unk]

You got to pressure because you Know he's not mo. He's not going nowhere.

[Ocho]

He can't go nowhere. He can't move. Hey.

[Unk]

Both quarterbacks were sacked five times. Campbell, Barnes, Lacy, Hutchinson got a sack. Muhammad got a sack. And then for the Hargrave, Wilson had two sacks. Redmond had a sack. Drake Rodriguez had a sack. But I was surprised. If somebody would have told me that Minnesota was going to go there and win that ball game, right, I wouldn't have believed them because I thought Detroit was playing really, really well. Really well.

[Ocho]

The only reason, if they did tell me that Minnesota won the game, the only reason I would have believed them is the fact that I understand how good Minnesota's defense is now. Some weeks, some weeks they get trashed. I think it might have been last week, if I'm not mistaken. They look abysmal. They look, they look horrible. I think it was last week. But I understand when they're playing well and they're playing on all cylinders and everyone is playing as a unit, they're as good as any other defense in the NFL. And it showed today. It showed today. And being able to stop Jameer Gibbs in Montgomery is a tall task. It's a tall task and they did one hell of a job at it.

[Unk]

Well, I think the thing is, Ocho, when you look at this, they got sacked five times. They had committed 10 penalties, which was a season high for 76 yards. They were five of 17 on third down. We know Detroit is very, very good in third down because normally they're third and manageable. You start keeping, you keep getting those third and longs, those third and eight, third and 10, third and twelves. You start keep playing behind the sticks. Five of 17, right? Nah. Nah. So that means give Minnesota credit like you said, cuz their defense was getting them, getting them off the field on third down. They was, they was three or three on fourth down. But I think you had to give Minnesota credit. J.J. mcCarthy played well. He didn't have to do a whole lot with his arm. They were able to run the football and keep, keep Detroit somewhat off balance. But Detroit, hey, that's the thing. Is that how you thought you if whatever you thought was going to happen, right? You don't know. Ain't no guarantee that you're going to do the same thing you did last year. Offensively, you see, it's different. It's a big difference from year to year. Oh, we did this last year. Oh, we went this last year. It ain't no guarantee. It's not a guarantee that it's going to play out for you. But this year, the Colts six turnovers hand the Steelers evicted 27. Twenty fans had a funeral at Steelers defense aside, Acore Stadium before kickoff. Inside the stadium, there was a risk, a resurrection. The defense got five sacks, forced a season high six takeaways, and held the league's best offense to 24 points. Yeah, that right tackle I think is Brand. Brand. Braden Smith. Yeah, he got his ass kicked today.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Unk]

He got it kicked. He, he flat out got a kick today. He should go and apology. Now, Daniel Jones, he was, he was awful. Ain't nowhere around that he played terrible today, but that right tackle gave it up. Now Jones did get a little unlucky trying to throw a ball out to the left side. The guy bats it and it. Karen's back. And the Steelers got intercepted. But the mere fact that it was still a game. Mocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unk]

After five sacks and six takeaways.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unk]

And it's still a game. Lets you know just how good they can be if they don't turn it over.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And that, that was the difference in this game. They, yeah, they, they turned the ball over and they. The fact that it was still a game. Daniel Jones, listen, it wasn't a good, a good day for him, but he, he still threw for 342.

[Unk]

342.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he still threw for 342.

[Unk]

Three interceptions.

[Ocho]

And the funny thing about it is, if the Steelers didn't play, didn't play well on defense, they would have got obliterated.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

If they didn't turn. If Daniel Jones and the Indianapolis coach didn't turn the ball over, they would have got obliterated.

[Unk]

Aaron Rodgers was 25 or 35. 203, one touchdown. They ran the ball 23 times for 38 yards, which is terrible. But like you said, their defense bailed them out today. Hey, their defense absolutely bailed them out today. When you get six takeaways and sack the quarterback five times, that, that, that, that's a score that probably should have been. You probably should win by three, four touchdowns.

[Ocho]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Unk]

But it just goes to show you that Andy has a good defense and the Steelers are going to have to do a lot better offensively. Ojo. Because a lot of teams not going to give you six takeaways.

[Ocho]

Nah. Hey, hell, you get one or two, you're probably going to win the game. You get six, you should.

[Unk]

It should be a blowout six.

[Ocho]

Man, that happens in high school. Getting six most of the time your quarterback has to be horrible.

[Unk]

Yeah, horrible.

[Ocho]

So you know, Daniel Jones had a bad day, but he's looked phenomenal all season long. He looked phenomenal all season long. So having one day like this, okay, boom, I'm human, I'm human. I'm making errors, I'm making mistakes, I'm back to the drawing board Monday morning you reset and you come on back next week and pick up where you left off the week before you played the Steelers right.

[Unk]

Falcons. Raheem Morris said the Patriots defense simulated a snap on a key for downplay by clapping, leading to an intentional grounding penalty by Michael Pennix. The Falcons trail 2423 with 209 remaining at the end of the game and the Patriots 48 yard line when Ryan Noodles snapped the ball on the second down. On the second down before Pennix other offensive line was ready for it. The Patriots immediately pressure Pinnocks because nobody else moved who threw the ball towards the dirt in the direction of Kyle Pitts. Penix was called for an intentional grounding, resulted in a loss of doubt and a 10 yard penalty. Defense simulating a snap count or snap is a 15 yard penalty on the NFL discerning signals. It's rarely called however, because it's hard to pinpoint where exactly the clap or the sounds coming from in a stadium. But see, that's why you don't clap. That's why when you're on the road normally what they do, Ocho silent, the guard silent, count back. Are you ready? Yeah, I'm ready.

[Ocho]

He tapped the center. He tapped the center.

[Unk]

He flashed in front of hand when you clapping. Come on now. But you ain't in college no more. That's what they do in college, right? Well, you shouldn't have been in this situation. Hell, you tie the ball game up and your damn kicker come out there and shake the pat. That's. That's what's. That's what's heartbreaking. Yep. All you got to do is make the pat, put pressure on the, on the Patriots to go down and score and go get a field goal.

[Ocho]

Yep, it was a good. Hey, Drake May. You realize the goddamn Patriots are 7 and not 7 and 2?

[Unk]

Yeah, I know another team to 72. Who? I also know a team that's not 72.

[Ocho]

I mean, who you talking about? Who you talking about?

[Unk]

I know a team that's seven and two. Another team that's seven and two.

[Ocho]

I said the Patriots.

[Unk]

I know another team besides the preachers of 72.

[Ocho]

Are you talking about the Bills?

[Unk]

I know another team.

[Ocho]

Shoot. I think that's about ain't who you talking about?

[Unk]

I know who isn't 72. I know a team that's only won like three games.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it's a few of them. Yeah, well, who you talking about?

[Unk]

Baltimore give up. I mean, and somebody, they give her like 40 points a game like it ain't nothing.

[Ocho]

We, we scope, we score 40 a.

[Unk]

Game too, but is never on the W side.

[Ocho]

I mean, listen, sometime life, a life give you lemons, you make fruit punch.

[Unk]

The patriots, they are 72. Drake May was 19 or 29. Two touchdowns, one interception. Falcons got at the mocho. They sacked him six times. Hey, Drake London had an outstanding game. He had three. Boy, he gave Gonzalez fits.

[Ocho]

Hey, you know what?

[Unk]

He gave Gonzalez ass fit.

[Ocho]

That's a great matchup too. Big on big.

[Unk]

Well, he lost. Well, Gonzalez lost that one.

[Ocho]

Yeah, big, big on big. I mean, shoot, Drake London with nine, what? Nine for one, 118 and a three TDs. Huh?

[Unk]

Three.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Bijan didn't really get off today. He only had 12 carries for 46.

[Unk]

That's not enough. 18 rush attempt, 71 yards.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, the receiver, Douglas.

[Unk]

Douglas got off. Yeah, I, I think it was revealed after the game his uncle was shot and killed. Yeah, last night Stefan Diggs had a touchdown. Excuse me. Hunter Henry had four for 51. Look, the Patriot Gonzalez, man, he gets injured a lot too.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he, he injury, he injury prone. He's really good though, huh?

[Unk]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

When he healthy, I'm talking about all the way, right? But he nice.

[Unk]

Hell, I ain't seen him, I ain't seen him play a whole year yet.

[Ocho]

Nice.

[Unk]

But I, I think New England's gonna be a tough out. They're well coached. They good enough offensively, defensively, you know, look brave will cut his teeth on that side of the football. So, you know, they're going to be able to get after people defensively. But they. Hey, and they've already gone to Buffalo and beaten Buffalo in their building. Bless you. So it's gonna be interesting that the AFC east is a two team. Look, it's a two team race. It's Buffalo in New England.

[Ocho]

That's it.

[Unk]

The thing is that you can't afford to have any slip ups when you play those other two teams. So when you play the jets and the Dolphins, you're supposed to do what you're supposed to do.

[Ocho]

So you ain't got nothing to worry about.

[Unk]

But thought Atlanta, I thought Atlanta was gonna, gonna pull this one out.

[Ocho]

I can't.

[Unk]

I kick against the p. A T o Joe, you go down the field, Drake London, make a hell of a catch, a hell of a catch. And then you trot your ass out there and shake it. Shake a pot of us.

[Ocho]

Hey hey. The fact that the Patriots man had a 20 year, had a 20 year bid man of nothing but con consistent, consistent success at the quarterback position and then figured it out already and got another damn quarterback and a goddamn hell.

[Unk]

I think M. Jones could have, could have, would have been fine for them had they not messed it had Coach Belichick not try to have a special teams coach and a defensive coordinator be his offensive coordinator. Because remember what he what he was like when he had Josh McDaniel they went to the playoffs that year.

[Ocho]

He was nice. He was nice. But then I'm just saying, I'm trying to just give the example of the, the Dolphins is, well, we, we ain't got, we ain't got the right answer since goddamn Marino.

[Unk]

Nope.

[Ocho]

And the damn, the goddamn Patriots don't figured it out that fast.