BEST OF NFL Week 9 Part 2: Unc BLAMES Jayden Daniels' injury on Dan Quinn + Rico Dowdle becoming a STAR running back

Summary

Club Shay Shay – “BEST OF NFL Week 9 Part 2”

Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guest/Co-host: Ocho (Chad Johnson)
Release Date: November 5, 2025

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Episode Overview

This high-energy episode dives into the wildest and most pivotal moments of NFL Week 9, featuring deep banter between Shannon "Unc" Sharpe and Ocho. The conversation flows through shocking defensive collapses, high-scoring offensive showings, coaching blunders, player injuries, and breakout athlete performances—most notably, the outrage over Jayden Daniels playing late in a blowout and the emergence of Rico Dowdle as a star running back. Expect classic Unc wit, Ocho’s passionate rants, stats breakdowns, and strong opinions on coaching decisions around player health and team dynamics.

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Key Discussion Points

Bengals’ Defensive Collapse & Offensive Frustration

• (01:09–06:58) Ocho vents about the Bengals’ defensive woes, noting back-to-back losses despite scoring over 38 points—a feat that hasn’t happened since the 1960s.

  • Ocho: "Our defense let us down again. Even with those turnovers, we were in position to win the game. The Bengals are the first team since 1960 to score 38 points in back-to-back games and lose. Goddamn Joe Flacco, 170 years old and through for 470 yards and we still lost." (02:25)
  • Ocho describes a “numbness” to such disappointments.

• (09:57–11:32) Shannon shares advice from his time with the 2000 Ravens about team unity during hard times.

  • Shannon: "The thing that I love about football, they don't take units to the Super Bowl. They take teams. So now what you can do is be supportive publicly." (09:40)

• (13:30–14:02) The hosts agree turnovers are disastrous when the defense can’t be counted on.

Bengals: Stats, Lament, and Locker Room Dynamics

• (12:21–13:39, 22:02–26:37) Flacco’s big game is dissected, and the conversation turns to the Bengals' inability to stop anyone, both against the pass and run.
  • Ocho: "No disrespect to them boys, but it just is what it is. Offense... as well as they played today, you just can't turn the ball over because ... you can't make up for it." (12:57)
  • Shannon on splitting the locker room: “Some of the things you really want to say, don't say it. Keep it in your head. Just be supportive as much as possible because things are going to turn around. Maybe not for the better...” (11:06)
  • On scoring in the red zone: Shannon: "Kicking field goals in the red zone get you beat, get your ass kicked. You scoring touchdowns in the red zone, you kick somebody else's ass." (22:04)

Bears & Panthers: Coaching, Offensive Philosophy, Accountability

• (06:09–06:47) Ocho called the Bears and Panthers as surprise contenders pre-season, pointing out new coaches and play-calling as vital.
  • Ocho: “Before the season started, who are the two teams I said everybody needs to watch out for this year? Bears and the Panthers.” (06:15)

NFL Defenses: Tackling, Rule Changes, and Attitude

• (06:58–07:55, 33:20–34:59) Ocho laments poor tackling, attributing it not just to effort but also to rule changes that make defenders hesitant.
  • Ocho: “Everybody close your eyes. Do your best Mike Singletary job as possible. Open your eyes, wide open, make the tackle, ensure it. God damn.” (06:58)
  • Ocho: “Defensive players, they scared to actually play football... Everything, everything is a flag... now you got receivers, you got tight ends, they feel so comfortable catching the ball across the middle because there's no threat...” (33:36)

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Notable Game & Player Highlights

Seahawks Blow Out Washington; Jayden Daniels’ Injury Controversy

• (27:35–30:31, 36:55–41:07)
  • Sam Darnold led the Seahawks to a 38–14 rout: "Sam Darnold was damn near flawless, 21-24, 330 yards, four touchdowns..."
  • Shannon unleashes on Dan Quinn for leaving Jayden Daniels in despite the game already being lost:
    • Shannon: “Dan Quinn, why in the hell was Jayden Daniels in the game? You're down 38 to 7... Why was he in the game?” (28:55)
    • “That was not a hip drop tackle... But I just got one question. I just need to know, why in the hell was he in the game... That’s all I need to know.” (29:17)
  • Ocho on injury prevention: "As someone who played very recklessly... I never got hurt. I understood how to fall and how to protect myself." (38:29)

JSN’s Ascendancy

• (28:01–32:56)
  • Ocho: “If we were to talk about the top five receivers in the NFL today, JSN's name is probably the first one you mention.” (31:47)
  • Shannon and Ocho break down why JSN is dominating, focusing on his quickness, route running, and smarts:
    • Shannon: “He’s so quick. I mean, he’s sudden... he’s the real deal.” (31:51, 32:53)

Rico Dowdle’s Emergence as Star RB

• (42:07–44:28)
  • Shannon: “Rico Dowdle: 130 yards, two touchdowns, a big run in the final minutes to set up Fitzgerald's last second 49 yard field goal... Rico Dowdle is the number one option.” (42:07)
  • Ocho: “Stay with the person that has the hot hand. I respect Hubbard, I like Hubbard. But right now the offense is flowing very, very smoothly through Rico Daddle.” (43:04)
  • Shannon: “You lose your job sick. And let somebody come in and fill in for you and do a better job than what you was doing before you got sick? Hey, see, when that person get that job. 25 for a buck, 32 touchdowns... Man, stop not playing that man the ball.” (44:00)

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Memorable Quotes

• Ocho, on becoming numb to Bengals’ defensive failures:
  "Honestly, I'm numb to it. You know how you go through something so much in life and it happens to you so much. Often it's like, you know what, at this point, I don't even care no more... This is back to back the Jets. The jets last week. And then... the Bears..." (05:28)

• Shannon, on locker room frustrations:
  "You're talking to a guy that can speak from experience... I was on that 2000 Ravens team. We went five weeks and didn't score a touchdown. Let that sink in for a second chat." (08:57)

• Ocho, on defensive meetings:
  "They was talking about the Halloween party, man. What you going as?" (06:55)

• Shannon, on scoring in the red zone:
  "Kicking field goals in the red zone get your beat, get your ass kicked. You scoring touchdowns in the red zone, you kick somebody else's ass." (22:04)

• Shannon, on JSN:
  “He’s so quick. I mean, he’s sudden... he’s the real deal.” (31:51, 32:53)

• Shannon, on the Jayden Daniels injury:
  "That was not a hip drop tackle. But I just got one question. I just need to know, why in the hell was he in the game... That’s all I need to know." (29:17)

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Timestamps & Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |---------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:09–05:17 | Ocho rants Bengals’ woes, despite high offensive output; defensive meltdowns. | | 05:28–07:55 | Ocho on being numb to losses; tackling and “want-to” as defense collapses again. | | 09:57–11:32 | Team unity lessons; public/private frustration. | | 12:21–14:02 | Bengals’ defensive performance, discussing poor tackling and turnovers. | | 22:02–26:37 | Red-zone execution problems and why scoring touchdowns is crucial. | | 27:35–30:31 | Seahawks blowout; Jayden Daniels injury; Sharpe blames Dan Quinn for irresponsibility. | | 31:47–32:56 | Rise of JSN as elite WR, dissecting Seahawks offensive success. | | 36:55–41:07 | Re-hashing Jayden Daniels’ injury decision, upper body strength in QBs, and risk management. | | 42:07–44:28 | Rico Dowdle’s star turn at RB, discussion of Carolina’s young offense. | | 44:28–46:28 | Panthers’ win—run-based offense, team identity, and potential. | | 50:44–53:34 | New NFL record 68-yard field goal broken by Little; kicking evolution. |

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Tone & Style

• The episode is filled with passionate, sometimes exasperated banter—Ocho’s heart-on-sleeve style contrasting with Shannon’s “big brother” perspective, offering long-term wisdom and context.
• Frequent use of football vernacular, locker-room humor, and relatable analogies (e.g., “brown paper bags” for embarrassed fans, “delivering a healthy baby” for red-zone performance).
• Both hosts revel in stats and player performance details but equally lampoon coaching and player errors.

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Conclusion

The episode encapsulates the highs and lows of Week 9: explosive offenses dashed by porous defenses, questionable coaching risking franchise cornerstones, and emerging stars seizing opportunities. With their signature unfiltered chemistry, Shannon and Ocho don’t just recap games—they vivisect moments, vent lifelong fandom frustrations, and serve up real talk every football fan can feel in their soul. If you missed Week 9, this is the bumpy, hilarious, and insightful ride through all its biggest moments.

Transcript

[Doug]

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[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

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[Doug]

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[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey. Hey, uncle. Take your time now. I. I know, I know you feeling good. I know you feeling good.

[Doug]

I feel Tony the Tiger. Great. Now, where were we? Now I. I mean, I know y' all gonna put that on the defense. Whoa, whoa.

[Ocho]

Who you are? Wait, wait, wait, wait. You stop right here. Who you gonna put it on? Please explain to me.

[Doug]

Who you gonna put it on? Did y' all have any turnovers?

[Ocho]

Okay, yeah.

[Doug]

How many turnovers did you have?

[Ocho]

Two. Oh, it was three. Okay, okay.

[Doug]

Let me ask you a question.

[Ocho]

Okay, we had three.

[Doug]

Did those turnovers help or hinder your ability to win this game? Did they help or hinder it?

[Ocho]

Hindered. It hindered.

[Doug]

So let's just say, for the sake of argument, talk to me. Instead of having three turnovers, you have one and you score a field goal or you score a touchdown. Could this have been different?

[Ocho]

Yeah, we would have won the game. But you know, it's a game of football, Lunk. There were three turnovers. We still put ourselves in position to win the game. We were in position to win the game.

[Doug]

And.

[Ocho]

And you know what happened? You know what happened. Our defense let us down again. Our defense let us down again.

[Doug]

Even.

[Ocho]

Even with those turnovers, we were in position to win the game. The Bengals are the first team since 1960 to score 38 points in back to back games and lose. Goddamn Joe Flacco, 170 years old and through for 470 yards and we still lost the game. Defense again, which has always been our Achilles heel over and over and over again, time and time and time again. Year after year after year. I understand that. The offense is our identity. It's always been our identity, even back to when I was playing. We have always been an offensive team, an offensive unit. But at some point, you gotta. You gotta compete, you gotta play, you gotta want. You gotta want to.

[Doug]

All your money is tied up on offense.

[Ocho]

It doesn't matter.

[Doug]

That's where you have to win the game.

[Ocho]

Hello. Hello. Hello.

[Doug]

I. Let me ask you a question.

[Ocho]

We scold 38. What?

[Doug]

How many. Let me ask you a question. How many $20 million defensive players do you guys have? One, you got three $30 million, you got two $30 million that play the same position just opposite of each other, and you got a $50 million quarterback. So. So where is all your money? Tied up.

[Ocho]

On offense. I mean, that. Oh, hold on, wait a minute. That's our identity, though. I mean, every. Every team is like that. There's no team that's. That. That's damn near even like that. Look at the Cleveland Browns. Where's all that money Tied up on the defensive end?

[Doug]

Yes. Cincinnati. So guess what you're going to have to do. So guess where you have to win the games at?

[Ocho]

Offense. They scoring 38.

[Doug]

Un.

[Ocho]

This the NFL, uncle. We scored 38. Two.

[Doug]

You got to score 48. Huh? You scored 42 with three turnovers. If you don't turn the ball over, how many you score? Ocho?

[Ocho]

Shoot, about a 50 ball and some change.

[Doug]

Exactly. 50 ball wins you the ball game.

[Ocho]

But listen, check this out, right? Listen to this. Hey, Chat, y' all stop laughing too. I know y' all probably laughing too. There ain't no laughing matter. Cause I'm pissed off today. Hey, listen, we kicked off, we had a kickoff return for a td. We had a block field goal on site, kick recovery. We had 500 yards of offense, two wide receivers, 100 plus yards, 15 points. We scored 15 points in less than a goddamn minute. 42 total points scored. 42 total points. If you were to read off what I just said to somebody who didn't watch the Bangles game, the first thing you'll say, oh, well, God damn all that. I know Y' all won 42 points and we still lost. Yes, despite the turnovers. Despite the turnover. But this is the game of football. You want to minimize the errors as much as possible. That's why we practice. We practice to minim errors as much as possible. But they happen. Huh? They happen. It's football. As much as you practice, you want to be as perfect as possible. But happens. And it happened. Today. Matter of fact, three of them should.

[Doug]

Have been that close anyway because. Oh, boy. Edmonds picked that ball off. Y' all got. Didn't touch that. Man down. That should have been a touchdown to the house. House call.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. That's. Hey. Hey. Honestly, I'm numb to it. I'm numb to it. Hey, I'm so numb to it. I'm numb to it. Like, you know how you go through something so much in life and it happens to you so much? Often it's like, you know what? At this point, I don't even care no more. Like, I don't even care no more. Like, I care. I care to an extent. But I mean, this is back to back the Jets. The jets last week. And then on top of that, and then on top of that, the Bears, like. Come on, man. And listen, the Bears ain't no joke because. Hey, Unc. Hey.

[Doug]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Talk to me real quick. Before the season started, who are the two teams I said everybody needs to watch out for this year?

[Doug]

Bears and the Panthers.

[Ocho]

Okay? So again, I'm not talking trash about the Bears because I already said I knew what they were going to look like. I knew what they were probably going to do with addition to Ben Johnson as offensive coordinator and head coach, calling those plays with Caleb Williams and the talent that he has. But come on, man. Two weeks in a row, scored over 38 points and lost both games. And. Oh, come on. My defense. Listen, they just said they just had a defensive meeting. They just had a players only defensive meeting this past. Who did they was doing? The Bengals. They were doing.

[Doug]

They was talking about what costume. They talking about the outfits that they gonna wear to the game. They ain't discussed no game plan, man.

[Ocho]

Man, listen, man, at some point when.

[Doug]

Hey, they talking about the Halloween party, man. What you going ass.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, when it comes to tackling, sometimes it's just about want to, it's about want to, it's about want to. It's about wanting to get the individual. Putting a hat on a pad. You're wearing pads for a reason. Put your goddamn pads on. Somebody wrap up. If you ain't gonna wrap up. Make sure it's clean. Keep your eyes open before you make contact. Everybody close your eyes. Do your best Mike Singletary job as possible. Open your eyes wide open. Make the tackle ensure it. God damn.

[Doug]

The Bengal scored two touchdowns in a span of 49 seconds to erase a fifth a 14 point lead, the Bears. But the Bears pulled their fifth win of the season when Williams delivered a 58 yard touchdown to rookie tight end Colston Loveland with 17 seconds remaining. The Bingoes are the first team in the super bowl era to allow 500 plus yards and. And 38 plus points and have zero takeaways in consecutive games. Oo. Let's take a listen to what Chase Brown had to say after this game. We just got to play complimentary football. Like, we put the ball in the.

[Ocho]

End zone and go up a point at the end. Finish the game. Like, just end it. Like that's it.

[Doug]

Like that's. That's like that's what we need to do. Just end the game.

[Ocho]

Like, make them.

[Doug]

Make they come get us the ball back. Let us go to 22 victory and let's end the game. That's how. That's like. That's how I feel if he said that. Because let me tell you how. How we are.

[Ocho]

Go ahead.

[Doug]

As an athlete, when you're frustrated, what you say publicly.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Is not nearly as bad as what you say behind closed doors.

[Ocho]

Oh, absolutely not.

[Doug]

It's not nearly as bad as when you in the shower or when you walk in the locker room, you, hey, you saw Chase walking off the field in the tunnel saying, one effing stop. But he said, I can't say too much because I don't want to.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. Don't do it, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it.

[Doug]

But look, you're talking to a guy that can speak from experience.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Doug]

Because I was on that 2000 Ravens team. We went five weeks and didn't score a touchdown. Let that sink in for a second chat. We went five weeks, five. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. We didn't score a touchdown.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And it could have splitted the team. But at the time, myself, Rod and Ray, we did everything together. And I told man, I said, ray, y' all have been outstanding. But the thing that I love about football, they don't take units to the Super Bowl. They take teams. So now what you can do is be supportive publicly.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Doug]

We gonna get our things fixed. We're not gonna be. We're not gonna be the Minnesota Vikings of 1980 98. We're not gonna score 35. That's not what we are. But we can do a better job of taking care of the football. Give y' all week eight. Y' all will have to make 14 or 17 stick. Cause we not gonna be putting up no 30s. I'm just gonna tell you right now. So if you looking for a 30 something, right. That ish ain't happening. So get your mind and say, hey, they gonna give us a 10 point lead and we might have to make 10 stick. Yeah, but complaining in publicly state. Stick together. Yeah, stick together. I know it's frustrating. Hell, I'm frustrated. Cause we coming out the field and the fans booing, but they don't know I'm booing too. They're like, man, you hear them booing? Yeah, I hear him booing. I'm booing right along with him.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I mean, listen. Cause we suck, you know?

[Doug]

Cause we did.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I mean, honestly, with offensive players have to understand, you gotta be care careful what you say. Especially, you know, as an offensive player. You got to be careful what you say. Because listen, it's going to come games, we still got along, we got ahead. We got a long season ago.

[Doug]

It's gonna be games, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Hey, we got a long season to go and you don't want to be making mistakes. And you have defensive, defensive players calling out the offense as well. So it, it can get, it can get real petty.

[Doug]

Doesn't it always work out like that when guys complain about the ball? Yeah, they throw it to him. What happens, Ocho?

[Ocho]

They drop it. You drop it?

[Doug]

Yep.

[Ocho]

I mean, think, hey, think he get real petty in that locker room. They don't need to splinter. I think Chase Brown and you know, Jamal, you got to be careful with some of the things you say. Be supportive of your defense. Even though you are losing. Some of the things you really want to say, don't say it. You know, keep it in your head. Just be supportive as much as possible because things are going to turn around. Maybe not for the better, but they're going to be games where the defense plays well and then the offense is shit. It's going to be.

[Doug]

You remember when y' all went to the Super Bowl? Joe Burrow got sacked nine times at Tennessee.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Defense took the ball away. Look at what they did in Kansas City. Took the ball away.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Look, now the way you guys are set up, you guys are set up. You basically, it's hard to play like that. I told you this last year. I say, I, I, Joe knows that if I leave anything on my plate, they're gonna eat it. So I, I, I've got Ocho, I got to clean the plate.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you got.

[Doug]

Which means every possession he got a damn near score. He got a damn near score. Because his defense, they don't take the ball away, they don't generate pressure. I mean, I'm looking at this game, I'm Like, y' all are just. Y' all just bad. I mean, they're just bad.

[Ocho]

Now this nigga.

[Doug]

Oh.

[Ocho]

Oh, shoot. My bad. I'm tripping. This dude. Flacco was 31 for 47, four TDs and 470 yards. 470 yards at 40 something years old, T. Higgins has seven for 121 in the TD. I don't, I don't even. I don't even know what chasing two TDs, I don't even know what chase numbers was earlier.

[Doug]

6, 4, 1, 11, 6 4. Brown had 8 for 75. ISO had 5 for 66. Hudson had 2 for 42. Noah Fan had 2, 28 on a tub and Tinsley had 1 for 27.

[Ocho]

Hey, that guy. Hey, man, that Flacco is dealing, boy. Like, it's like, I mean, for us to play, the way, for us to play as well as we are offensively, despite the woes, despite the turnovers, you want to do everything you can to minimize those because you understand that our defense is not that good. We're not that good on any level, whether it be the back end, hell, the second level, hell, the front level, for that matter. You know, no disrespect to them boys, but I mean, it just is what it is. Offense.

[Doug]

Go ahead.

[Ocho]

I'm not. I'm going to say offense. They got they as well as they played today. You just can't turn the ball over because we can't. You can't make up for it, knowing.

[Doug]

What, you know, how, how poor your defense is.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Doug]

What's the last thing that you want to do? Turn the ball over? They sorry ass back out there. Because the thing about. Ooh, if they're driving the field, if they're driving 75, 80 yards, what's going to happen if you give them a short field? If you can't stop him from going 75, 80, what makes you going to stop. What makes you think you can stop him from going 30?

[Ocho]

Yeah, you're not. You're not.

[Doug]

I mean, they running, man. They running. They run. Hey, it's the first time. How long. I forgot how long they said it's been. A quarterback called two passes in a game. That's what they doing to y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Doug]

Yeah, they throwing passes to the quarterback. Not one, two.

[Ocho]

I would understand. You know, that's that. That's that Ben Johnson creativity. That's.

[Doug]

That's what I do for y' all because I know y' all can't stop nothing we do.

[Ocho]

Well.

[Doug]

Nothing. Who would he who would even subject their quarterback to possibly getting. Hello. Remember, RG3 tried to catch a pass against the Steelers. RG3 laid him out on the side.

[Ocho]

When he got hit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

That's what you do. They said they ran a screen Ocho. I get it on the goal line. You lose sight. I mean, they. They hand it to the guy. And he had talked to the DJ Moore. Yeah, DJ More throw a touchdown.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Doug]

They ran a screen with the quarterback.

[Ocho]

You understand, the point of that play is to confuse the defense. You get them going one way and you get him going another way. And the quarterback always sneaks out the back end because eyes. Eye discipline. Eye discipline. You put your eyes in the wrong place, all of a sudden you lose the man you're supposed to have Most of the time when you see reverse and they go one way and then the ball coming back the other, you lose the quarterback. You lose the quarterback and where he is. That's why he was wide open like that. That's why it's called a trick play. I think it might have worked. It might have worked on any team, especially down there at that time.

[Doug]

Let me ask you a question. Somebody's already responsible for the quarterback. When you run the bootleg. It's the defensive end or if somebody has the quarterback.

[Ocho]

Oh, he got. He got sucked in. Well, he done crashed down on the goddamn sweep the toss.

[Doug]

That ain't his responsibility. You see what. You see what happens if you try? If. Look here. If I do my job and something goes awry? I did my job right because the last thing I want to do is do somebody else job. And then all of a sudden my job go attended but unattended. Who they going to blame? Oo, exactly.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Doug]

That's not your responsibility.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Doug]

Do your responsibility. OO Today y' all gave up. Y'. All. Y' all gave up damn near 300 yards rushing and 300 yards passing.

[Ocho]

Hey, Unc, that wasn't necessary. We know that part. You. You didn't have to bring that up. We know that.

[Doug]

We 37 for 283. Did y' all pinch them? Did y' all trip somebody? I tripped somebody.

[Ocho]

I. I know. I know. And I'm. I'm upset, too.

[Doug]

Stop all that running in the hall. They got hard. They only get no hall pass. You didn't have a hall pass. You know, you have to get a pass to be in the hall. Y' all didn't. They in y' all house. And then he got no hall pass.

[Ocho]

You're right.

[Doug]

They Just running. Y' all ain't trip them. Y' all didn't pinch him. Y' all ain't do nothing.

[Ocho]

We gonna be all right, though. We're gonna be all right now. Hey.

[Doug]

No, you're not. No, I kept. I told you this. I say by the time Joe Burrow is healthy enough to come back, you. Y' all might as well leave him. Yeah, you might as well leave him where he is.

[Ocho]

Hey, you know we on the bad week, huh?

[Doug]

Y' all probably give up 40 on that one. I bet y' all give up 40 points in the back.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, but that. Hey, that hurt, boy. Hey, Unc. That boy watching that game today. Boy, that hurt to be able to be able to come back like that. The score, the amount of points we did. The score, the amount of points we did in a short time span. Down, 14, down, come back. Oh, you know what? We got this one sealed up. And here we go. Three people. Three people surrounding a rookie tight end. And nobody brings him down.

[Doug]

Cause everybody. He tried to go for the big hit. Get him on the ground. Hey, the. The. The. The rule of thumb is. Oo. Live to see another day.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Doug]

That's all.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Live to see another day.

[Ocho]

Hey, but that's. That's. I don't even know what to say.

[Doug]

I mean, Tyler Best yet. He completed the pass. DJ Moore completed the pass. I mean, even Cole Quebec tried to throw one. I mean, how many people that. I mean, think about that chat for just a second. They allow four people to attempt to pass in an NFL game. Not Pop Warner, not college, Not. Not intramural in college. In a NFL game.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Doug]

With the NFL logo. They allow tight ends and receivers to throw a pass against the Bengals. It's embarrassing, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Well, listen. It's embarrassing. It is.

[Doug]

It is.

[Ocho]

It is that. There's not much. I can do it. I've done all I can to try.

[Doug]

You can't do nothing.

[Ocho]

I know. And I've done all I can to try to defend it. I can't even defend it at this point. Like it's. It's trash. It's trash. What. What we're displaying, what we putting out there, is the players aren't playing well. And it makes Zach Taylor look bad. It makes the defensive coaches look bad, because there's no way in hell. Well, did you practice all week? What? Did you do anything defensively, offensively? They showing up every goddamn week.

[Doug]

Me and C.J. gardner. Johnson get off his couch and come get a sack. The man, he. He. He got. He Came in and just off the couch sack. Damn.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it's. I'm numb to it at this point, man. Last year.

[Doug]

Don't be numb.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, last year, around this time, last year, around this time, two back to back losses like this, I would have been on the show in tears, man. I can't even cry no more.

[Doug]

I'm all I'm should be.

[Ocho]

Hey listen, I'm. I'm all cried out. I can't. I can't cry. I can't even cry no more. I can't even.

[Doug]

Lisa. Lisa and Cole J up all cried out.

[Ocho]

I am.

[Doug]

I am.

[Ocho]

What you know about that? Uhuh.

[Doug]

What? You ain't cried.

[Ocho]

Hey, what you know about Lisa? Lisa and Cold Jam. What you know about that?

[Doug]

That's my era. What I don't.

[Ocho]

That's that. That's that jam. Now I be.

[Doug]

Ooh. The fact of the matter is, and I know, look, defensively you had the situation, but you know, your defense is porous. You can't turn the ball over. You still turn the ball over three times. How many points did they score on those turnovers? What's that sound? That's the sound of Downy Unstoppable scent beads going into your washing machine and giving your clothes freshness that lasts all day long. There it is again. It's like music to your ears. Or more like music to your nose. That freshness is irresistible. Let's get a Downy Unstoppables bottle shake. And now a sniff solo.

[Ocho]

Nice.

[Doug]

With Downy Unstoppables, you just toss Wash. Wow. For all Day fresh. They were eight or 15. On third down, there was two or two. On fourth down they had six. They had 576 total yards and 11 drives. Y' all had three turnovers, two interceptions. Y' all have a special teams touchdown. How many?

[Ocho]

Three.

[Doug]

Three. They only scored three points. So your defense did do something. They only held them to three points after the turnovers.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Mysterious. I mean, hey.

[Doug]

Oh, yeah, yeah. That, that. We don't count that. That pick. That pick. So they had two turnovers. So we ain't gonna. We ain't gonna. We gonna. We ain't gonna even count that last interception.

[Ocho]

Okay. All right. Appreciate that. So we. We. You. You don't. You don't want them. You. You can't. You can't.

[Doug]

Hey, who.

[Ocho]

Huh?

[Doug]

In the red zone, they were four or six. You was two for four.

[Ocho]

Two for four? Yeah.

[Doug]

Damn. Kicking field goals in the red zone. Get your beat, get your ass kicked. Get you scoring touchdowns in the red zone. You kick somebody else's ass.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Damn. Don't cuss. Call Gus.

[Ocho]

Hey.

[Doug]

I feel good. I feel good.

[Ocho]

I know you do. I know you do. I know you. I know you feel good. Listen, there's not much I can do. Yeah. They're not so good.

[Doug]

So good. I got you.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, it is what it is at this point.

[Doug]

And it wouldn't be nothing if the Bengals didn't suck.

[Ocho]

It's all good.

[Doug]

It's all good, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Our offense is better than Yalls.

[Doug]

Ocho. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's what we doing now? Yeah.

[Ocho]

I'm just saying.

[Doug]

What's our record? Hold up. Our record is 7 and 2. What's your record?

[Ocho]

Shit. We 3 and 6 now.

[Doug]

Huh?

[Ocho]

3 and 6.

[Doug]

Wow.

[Ocho]

It's all good.

[Doug]

It ain't looking good for y'.

[Ocho]

All. I know. I know. I know it's not. I know.

[Doug]

You know. Good.

[Ocho]

It's all good. It's all good. We'll be ready next year.

[Doug]

Yeah. I told you, I'm going.

[Ocho]

I'm preparing for next year.

[Doug]

I told you. I say the Bing. I said, y' all will lose to the jets, and you all going to lose to the Bears.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Are you a. I just wanted to tell me. Hey, Chat. Do y' all know what happened to Brother Browning? You know Brother Browning? Yeah. What happened to him?

[Ocho]

He.

[Doug]

He.

[Ocho]

He right there on the bench. Yeah, you see. You see Flacco dealing each week, though?

[Doug]

I don't. Hey, I don't care about that. I don't care about the most stats.

[Ocho]

Hey, it is.

[Doug]

Y' all like my hat? This is a, I think, Hispanic Heritage month for the NFL. I'll be giving this hat away. See, I. I signed it 84 HOF. Three time Super bowl champ.

[Ocho]

I thought nobody want that.

[Doug]

Whoa. What? I guarantee you don't nobody want no Bingles. Merch.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, if. If my name on it, they do.

[Doug]

They don't want no merch.

[Ocho]

This. This is the thing. Hold on. Say, stay with me real quick. As bad as we playing, right? As bad as we plan defensively, however it is, whatever it may be, like that a5. That a5. Any memorabilia, hats, jerseys, is still a great representation of that organization, whether they winning or whether they losing.

[Doug]

Do you know what the number one selling thing is in Cincinnati right now, Ocho? Brown paper bags. Cause don't nobody want to know that they're a bingo fan. They put bags over the head. That's the number one selling thing in Cincinnati.

[Ocho]

Wait, wait a minute. No, no, no, no. Not with. No, no, not. It's not. Not with the offense playing as well as it is you losing.

[Doug]

You. Hey, Chad, you hear. You see how he separate. You see the difference?

[Ocho]

I don't. I don't have. I don't have a choice but to separate it. I ain't got no choice.

[Doug]

So what did you do? So let me ask you a question. Y' all scoring 42 points. Y' all was two or four in the red zone. So what happened on those other two possessions?

[Ocho]

And every. Every time we come on here, we talk about the bangles, I say, what's. What's the problem that we always have? What has always been our Achilles heel? It's been our defense. If we score 50, the other team score 55. If we score 60, the other keep the other team.

[Doug]

How did you get that 50, though? So let me ask you a question. When using the red zone, you scored 50. If you scored a. Two more. If you scored two touchdowns on that.

[Ocho]

Now you got 60, the other team gets paid, too. Every time he gets it a goddamn.

[Doug]

You should have scored in the red zone. I mean, field goal, kicking, field goal. And remember Chicago missed the field goal. Bad. Bad.

[Ocho]

You didn't hear me, though. Every time you get to the red zone, you know, it become. It's that much more difficult to score. Once you get down there, there's not much.

[Doug]

Why would it be so difficult? When y' all piled up in. Wait a minute. Y' all got Chase, y' all got Higgins.

[Ocho]

Wait a minute.

[Doug]

Y' all got ISO. Y' all got Noah fans, y' all got Chase Brown, y' all got Flacco wheeling and dealing. Why would it be so difficult?

[Ocho]

I'm gonna tell you why. I'm gonna tell you. We wheel and deal in the open field. When you get down in the red zone, there's not that much room. There's only so much you can do. It becomes that much more difficult to score in the red zone. You know that once you go inside the 20. Oh, it gets tough. You understand that?

[Doug]

Hey, I don't want to hear nothing about no labor pains, okay?

[Ocho]

It's cool.

[Doug]

Deliver me a healthy baby. I'mma rub your head, baby, and tell you everything's gonna be okay. You're doing amazing. I gotta. I got this. I got this Range Rover lined up for you. You got a Birkin bag coming. Just bring me a healthy Shannon. That's all.

[Ocho]

Okay?

[Doug]

I don't want to hear nothing about what you're talking about.

[Ocho]

It's all good. Listen, I'm Hey, I'm. I'm like a chick in a relationship. That checked out, man. I'm. I'm mentally checked out.

[Doug]

The game that you just witnessed. The Seahawks beat the brakes other commanders by the Limu game. And Doug here we have the Limu emu in its natural habitat helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug. Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us. Cut the camera. They see us. Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty Liberty.

[Ocho]

Liberty Savings.

[Doug]

Very unwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company affiliates excludes Massachusetts score of 38 to 14. Sam Darnold was damn near flawless. 21, 24, 330 yards, four touchdowns, one interception. He was not sacked. Oh, man, that Jackson, Smith and Jigba. It won't be long. It won't be long before we talking about, hey, if you say Chase and Jetta are 1A and 1B, right? He damn near one. He won C. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Ocho]

Absolutely. With the way he's, with the way he's performing this season, he's definitely in that conversation. Can I, can I tell you something? I just want to throw a little tidbit out there. You know, you notice all the players, all the players that came on down to the wide receiver workshop, you know, in July. You notice they having one hell of a season. They got damn JSN cut up today. He ate for 129, six consecutive games with 100 yards receiving.

[Doug]

I think he might be the next receiver to go get 300. He can get 300. The game, if this game would have been close.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Oh, he gonna get. He'd had two in this game. Oh, absolutely. If the game's close, absolutely. The. The Seahawks moved to 6 and 2, Washington falls to 3 and 6 and we're gonna get into the ball game. But I got one question that I want to ask. Dq Dan Quinn, why in the hell was. Was Jaden Daniels in the game? You're down 38 to 7, right? This is why you remove your starter, especially. You can't remove all of them.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Doug]

Some of your offensive linemen and some of the guys are gonna have to play, but you get Jayden Daniel's ass out of there. He's been nicked all year. Why was he in the game? So you actually think you're going to score 31 points in eight and a half minutes?

[Ocho]

Absolutely not.

[Doug]

That was not a, that was not a hip drop tackle. He was getting spun down and he tried to Brace himself. And that's normally what happened. You see a lot of that happen when a guy. If you go back and remember the Heat, Celtics game, Rondo tried to brace himself and he dislocated his elbow. That happens a lot. Just because someone gets injured, that doesn't mean the play was illegal, right? That was not a hip drop tackle. But I just got one question. I just need to know, why in the hell was he in the game? Down 31 with 8 minutes to go in the ball game. That's all I need to know. But the Seahawks look damn good. That's going to be a very tough division. The Rams look good. The Rams look good damn near every week. The 49ers look good today on the road with Mac Jones filling in again for Brock Purdy. And the Seattle, with the way that defense got out there and Sam Donald is dealing right now, man, that's the Cardinals notwithstanding. But as a division, I'm like, man, they look good. That division is tough. Whoever comes out of that division, right, they will be battle tested and you don't want to play them in the playoffs. But go ahead. Watching this game. We'll talk about Washington after we talk about Seattle. What did you like about what you saw from the Seahawks?

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, the Seahawks look good. They look good. They. They've done everything they can and there's a reason they pay Sam Darnold the way they paid him. I didn't know. Honestly, I didn't know. I was kind of skeptical. I know what Sam Donald did when he was in Minnesota last year, but also what he had, the weapons he had with Addison, you know, goddamn Justin Jefferson. I say, well, it was easy. You put anybody back there and they would look like that. But that goddamn JSN uncle, he surprised me this year. He surprised me this year. Sam Darling is goddamn dealing. And again, I've said it time and time again. I'm like, I'm curious. I'm thinking to myself, I'm scratching my head. I'm like, well, God damn, what the hell is going on? Seattle, they unloaded off everybody. They let Geno Smith go. They let Tyler Lockett go. They let DK Metcalf go. A player of his caliber, a player of his talent that I see as a number one top 10 in the NFL at that. Well, okay. Well, I'm confused. Well, who do they got to lean on? Who do they have to lean on? And Lord have mercy. JSN been cutting up since week one. I'm talking about cutting up since week one. If we were to talk about the top five receivers in the NFL today. JSN's name is probably the first one you mentioned. The first one you mentioned.

[Doug]

He's playing unbelievable, crazy work, man. He's so quick. I mean, he's sudden.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Doug]

I mean, you see him catch that, you catch that. He caught what we call a basic cross, man. You see him explode out of there. I mean, he about to get up out of there, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Doug]

Oh, and the one Sam Darling hit the tight. Oh. When he shook him at the line and had. I was like, oh, my goodness. Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

He nice with it. And the funny thing about it. And the funny thing about jsn, Unk. He's not the fastest in the world. He's not a Tyreek fast. He's not like a ja' Marr Chase get the ball in his hands, and he got that breakaway speed.

[Doug]

But.

[Ocho]

But he can. He is so good.

[Doug]

He more quick than fast.

[Ocho]

He's more quick than fast. And he's so good at the line of scrimmage and being able to manipulate, you know the route running and give the illusion he's doing one thing as opposed to the other. And he knows how to set everything up. He understands leverage, he understands coverage. And anytime they got one on one, anytime they got one on you, you get your la. You get your silly ass up there, you play bump and run, you're gonna lose every time. And he showed it. That's why Sam Donald trusts him so much. And anytime they got one on one, he checks up out of that. He going straight to JSN every time.

[Doug]

Oh, yeah, he JSN is real deal.

[Ocho]

Now.

[Doug]

They didn't run the ball as well as they would have liked tonight, right? But they got everything they wanted in the passing game. Sam Donald was not under duress. They couldn't pressure him. They. So they got everything that they wanted. You saw Horton. His first two catches were for touchdowns. You saw jsn, he got a touchdown. Arroyo. I'm just trying to figure. Guys, are y' all going to tackle anybody? What's up? What's up with all this? This shoulder thumping?

[Ocho]

Yeah, man.

[Doug]

Put somebody on the damn ground. Everybody trying to get a big hit, and what ends up happening is that when you hit him, you carry him, you make him go off. Somebody else happened in your game?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Oh.

[Doug]

All you got to do.

[Ocho]

He was the tight end in the middle of the field. Yes.

[Doug]

Just tackle him.

[Ocho]

Hold on. You know what? Then this is the problem. Let me tell you why everybody's scared to Hit. Let me tell you why. Because the goddamn rules. The rules have handicapped the defense. Defensive players, they scared to actually play football, like to play. They scared to hit people. Everything, everything is a, everything is a flag. You can't hit him. You can't hit that. Oh, this is target. I mean, it's like it's wrap him up on you. I feel you, unk. I understand you. But sometime we don't wrap up. If you hit him hard enough without wrapping up, you know what they do most of the time? Either they cough the ball up or they hit the goddamn ground. Now you got, now you got receivers, you got tight ends. They feel so comfortable catching the ball across the middle because there's no threat and there's nothing to worry about anymore. There's nothing to worry about. You got receivers, cross the middle, unk, hands on the hip, one hand in the air. Because you can't hit him. There's nothing to think about when we played. You have to think about what's to come once you catch the ball in the middle. You already braced it for it. You ready for it now? Oh, man.

[Doug]

I mean, think about how many, think about how many times you've seen Bijan Robinson catch a one hand pass. Drake London had about three of them today in the Patriots game. Why? Because there are no consequences of repercussions at all. There were consequences and repercussions. See, that's the only way you can, or the only way you can learn a lesson is there has to be consequences from your actions.

[Ocho]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Doug]

Because without consequences, there, there, there are no lessons to be learned.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Doug]

That being said, Washington 3 and 6, they got off to a shaky start. Jaden Daniels, 16 to 22, 153, no touchdowns, one interceptions. They had 36 rush attempts, 157 yards. But you can't, you can't spot a team. You can't spot A team. 28 points. 21.

[Ocho]

28, 21. I don't know if you see, you don't play Madden, Huh? You don't play Madden. Once you score 21, 21 points, the game is over. The game is over. Even in NFL when you have a good defense like the Seattle Seahawks, that game was over once they went up 21. Zip. It was a wrap. I knew at some point they were going to take their foot off the gas because it happens all the time. Coaches have some kind of goddamn pack where you're not going to run the goddamn score up. Hell, you had 28. What? It was 28 at the half, right? If I'm not mistaken, right?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And they ended the game with 38. Yeah, man, listen, they came off the pedal. They started running the ball a little more and I mean, they could have put a 50 ball on if they wanted to. Mr. McDonald could have put a 50 ball on him if he wanted to.

[Doug]

What happens is that you get ahead and then the points come so easy. Yeah. I mean, they fumble the ball in the next play, you're in the end zone.

[Ocho]

In the end zone. Yeah.

[Doug]

And then, you know, you get a pick, and the next thing you know, the guy goes 60 yards for a touchdown. So it's so easy, right? It's like, well, damn. And then they just. And Washington, really, they were shooting themselves in the foot. Illegal formation or procedure. They were just doing a lot of silly, dumb stuff. And it. And when a team is rolling like Sam Donald and the Eagles off and. Excuse me. And the Seahawks offense was rolling, the last thing that you want to do as the opposing offense is put your defense right back on the field. Oo. I mean, they score touchdown, they kick off, they pull it out. Your defense right back on the field. Now, mind you, your defense just gave it up. Just gave it up. And you don't want them right back out there.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Doug]

Turn the ball over on special teams, you turn the ball over on offense. But I. Look, this game was.

[Ocho]

I.

[Doug]

This game was a blowout from the jump. The only thing. Now I just got to ask. Dq. And I'm sure that the reporters are asking him, damn. Why was Jaden Daniels in the game at that point in the game?

[Ocho]

Right.

[Doug]

The game, for all intents and purposes, was over. I know. Look, don't give me that it's not over to the whistle blows. You saw with Tom Brady, the score was 28 to 3 at the half. The score was not 38 to 7 with 8 minutes to go.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Doug]

Jaden Daniel should not have been in that game. There is nothing to be gained. What you try to do. Get him some cheap stats. N. Hey, Mario, you're up. That's what should have happened, right? The guy, he. Hold on. He missed a couple of weeks. Didn't he miss last. Hold on. Did he miss last week's game? Jaden, he missed last week's game. He just got back.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey.

[Doug]

What.

[Ocho]

What. What's. What. What do you think happened to him?

[Doug]

It looked like he dislocated his elbow because he's ocho. He's going down and he's trying to brace himself. So all that weight and plus being slung down and you see, I dislocated mine.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And the hat bent like this. It bent back up the other. This is not. It's really, really painful. It's really, really painful. I do believe he'll come back. He can come back and play this week. It's normally a two to four week injury. I was four, had to play with a brace. It's his non throwing, so he should be fine. The question is how much pain can he endure? And, and can they protect themselves?

[Ocho]

Right. And also, also when you're getting tackled like that. I know when the hip tackle, I mean, players have to learn to be able to fall, learn how to fall with the pressure. You go with it. You don't fight against it. You know, there's no need to brace in that instance. Just let, let your body go limp. Just let your body go and just be free. When you, when you, when you in a relaxed state and you're not tensed up, you will be fine. It's, it's, it's. There's somewhat of an art to it. It's somewhat of an art to it. It's hard for me to explain, but as someone who played very recklessly despite, despite my, my small frame and small stature, I never got hurt. I understood how to fall and how to, how to flow with tackles understanding, you know, the size difference and goddamn physics, you know, for that matter. And I was like Gumby, I got hit, I got thrown around, I lost every battle. You know, I, you know, trying to challenge people. But I, I never got injured because I understood how to fall and how to protect myself.

[Doug]

The thing is. Oh, he didn't want to get thrown on his shoulder because you got to realize they ain't got no shoulder strength. They don't really do nothing. Upper body because they want fluidity. Yeah, they're throwing motion so they can't be tight up here. So they. You look at quarterbacks. Quarterbacks got narrow shoulders. That's why they good at golf.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Because they don't have tight. We. I have to work. Most people work out their shoulder because they want some up there. But that's not what a quarterback does. A quarterback won't. He want fluidity.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you right.

[Doug]

So you can't be all, can't all be all tight up here. That's why a quarterback. Oh, he. No, no, no, no. I don't want. Give me, give me. Somebody got that shaped like a pair. That's what I w. I don't, I don't want, I don't want no picture shaped like A what if you're a quarterback shaped like a what? A pair. Look at quarter. Look at quarterback and pitchers. Now you see who golf when they go to celebrity golf tournaments, right. You see who win. Pitchers and quarterbacks, right. A guy like a Steph Curry. Basketball players, they don't really be lifting all this stuff up here, right. Cause they want fluidity. But most. I'm shocked that they left Jayden Daniels in the game down 31 points with eight minutes to go. What do you hope the game. Well, you know, he missed last week. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, hold on. Bro, you better get him some reps in practice because you got to realize you can't control the game, right? They still trying to tear his damn head head off. Yeah, in a, in a game, in a practice you could control it. They get close, you blow the whistle. He got a red jersey or a black jersey on, meaning he's off limits to be touched.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Doug]

But in a actual game, they still going full speed, don't y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Doug]

And most coaches, most coaches in that situation would have removed Jaden Daniels from the game. Absolutely. He should have been removed from the game. There was nothing, there was absolutely nothing, nothing to gain except what you got nothing to gain to be gained. An injury. That's what could be gained and that's what you got. Damn. But Seattle look good man. That's gonna be a Seattle with Seattle and the Rams, them quarterback, the way their quarterback play. Hey, they got Puka back now. Puka got dinged too. He got, he got slammed on the shoulder. Yeah, you see he left. I don't know if he came back in but he and Devonte was dealing. Devonte had I think another two touchdown game today.

[Ocho]

See that, that's, that's back to back.

[Doug]

That can play. Hey, Matthew Stafford's playing as good, if not better than what he played in that super bowl year. Ojo, your team, the Carolina Panthers.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, talk, talk.

[Doug]

Rico Dowdle.

[Ocho]

Hey, give me that.

[Doug]

Give me the same minutes. 130 yards, two touchdowns, a big run in the final minutes to set up Fitzgerald's last second 49 yard field goal is the second time this season that Fitzgerald, a rookie from Florida State, has made a game winning field goal. As time expired, packers star tight end Tucker Kraft was carted off the field. Many believe it was an ACL injury, but they'll wait to get results back tomorrow. The floor said it doesn't look good. It's going to be tough, but it's football other Guys are going to have to step up. I was surprised that when Cuba Hubbard came back that he got more carries than. Than Rico last week. Last week, Considering the stretch that Rico had put together, I don't think there's any doubt now. Rico Dowdle is the number one option.

[Ocho]

What?

[Doug]

And basically, if you tired, tap your helmet and we'll send you. But yeah, other than that, you ain't bringing your ass out.

[Ocho]

They. They talk to it. They talk to coach about it in the media. Like, what are you doing? But young bull got the hot hand. Rico got the hot hand. Hubbard last week, I think Hubbard, if I'm not mistaken, had more carries and whatnot. But boom, Coach said going forward, Rico is going to be the one that get the bulk of the carries. He got the bulk of the carries today. What'd he do? 25 carries for 130 yards and two TDs. Yeah, stay with the person that has the hot hand. I respect Hubbard, I like Hubbard. But right now the offense is flowing very, very smoothly through goddamn Rico Daddle. You don't change it just because someone's coming back off injury.

[Doug]

Because like I said, the thing is. Is that the question you ask yourself if the guy that comes in for the guy that's injured, and I know the injured guy is the starter, but if the guy that comes in is running the ball better than the starter was before he got injured, that's his job. Now, it ain't that complicated. I think sometimes we make it, you go back, oh, starter can't lose his job because of injury. Yeah, the hell he can. You could lose your job. If you out sick, you lose your job sick. And let somebody to come in and fill in for you and do a better job than what you was doing before you got sick? Hey, see, when that person get that job. 25 for a buck, 32 touchdowns. After what he did to the Cowboys, after what he did the week before when he went over 200. Man, stop not playing that man the ball.

[Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Doug]

The defense was. The defense did a job, a hell of a job because they, I mean, I mean, damn. Green Bay's offense, Jacobs had 17 for 87. They had 25 rushes, 104 yards. Jordan Love had 26 of 37. 273. No touchdowns, one interception. He was only sacked once. Bryce Young was 11 of 20102 yards. No touchdowns or interception was sacked once. But it was. Rico was the difference. Yeah, Rico was the difference. Yeah, man.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Panthers. I told you all we got to do sometimes. Listen, it ain't gonna be pretty every week.

[Doug]

No.

[Ocho]

Sometimes you got to win games like this. Sometimes you got to win games ugly. Sometimes when you go to the corner store, you ain't got to put makeup on. You ain't. You ain't got to be all dolled up, put your bottle on, put your house shoes on. You know, sometimes you gotta. You gotta get it ugly sometime. This is one of them games you get it ugly. That's why you say you. You keep pounding, keep pounding. It ain't gonna be pre. Pretty every week. You ain't gonna throw for 300, 400, no. You know, huh?

[Doug]

You just gotta win.

[Ocho]

That's it.

[Doug]

You just gotta find a way to win. You gotta run through your running back play option after that, you got, you know, you got good receivers. McMillan, you got LeGette. Legette.

[Ocho]

Excuse me, Hunter Winro, Jimmy Horn. But hey, they. They. They even. They. They haven't even had a day or a game yet where they got all them boys involved, man, and where Bryce Younger just did it like a. Like he. Like he a deal at the casino. That day. That day is coming. That day is coming where everybody. Everybody eat. You get a ball, you get a ball. You get a ball, you get. It's coming. We didn't need that today, though. Give it to your bell cow. Ricky Daddy, you handle that. You keep pounding, man.

[Doug]

So this does. Can you imagine what this does? You go to Green Bay and you get a win. What with this young football team. Coaches in there tell them, say, see, when we play our type of football, we can beat anybody. We can go anywhere and beat anybody. We can play with anybody. We don't have to take a back seat to no one at all.

[Ocho]

At all. I just. I just. I just. I just. I don't want us. I'm talking about us. But listen, I'm a huge fan of this team. I don't want us to become one dimensional. I don't want us to continuously rely on the running game because you know what teams are gonna start doing?

[Doug]

Huh? Oh, stopping it.

[Ocho]

They.

[Doug]

They drop.

[Ocho]

They dropping nine in the box. They dropping nine in the box. You know what? Well, we gonna make Bryce Young beat us with his arm. Can he do it? Absolutely. Hell, he did it at Alabama. He showed flashes of being able to do it in the NFL as well. So, I mean, hey, I'm. I'm excited. I'm excited for the boys. Listen, I'm sure we got a few Panther fans in. In the chat. I'm sure the city is happy. They're elated. Coach, some of the pressures off of him, especially with the way the team is playing now. Bryce Young playing very well. Shoot, he ain't on the hot seat. Ah, let's go.

[Doug]

Keep pounding. Jaguars defensive end Trayvon Walker was disqualified in the third quarter after punching Raiders offensive lineman Stone Forset following the Raiders field goal.

[Ocho]

He punched him.

[Doug]

Walker threw a violent punch that landed in the face mask of Stone, who was also penalized on the plate. The files offset, but Walker was the only player kicked out. Walker had just had a surgical procedure on his wrist a month ago. Walker was penalized but not ejected for throwing a punch in 2024 game against the Vikings. The fine was 11, 817 for a violent act deemed unnecessary. The Jaguars won the game in overtime, 30 to 29 after the Raiders failed to convert a two point conversion. Trevor Lawrence was 23 or 34, 220, no touchdowns, one interception. They ran the ball 42 times for 151 yards. Gino Smith, 29, 39, 284, four touchdowns, one interception. He was sacked twice. Brock Bowers. Welcome back. Catches buck 27, three touchdowns. Aston Genti had five catches, 47 yards and a touchdown. And it looked like he had a guy open for the two point conversion. Yeah, but the defensive end jumped up and he.

[Ocho]

And knocked it down.

[Doug]

Down. Devin White, 16 tackles, eight solo.

[Ocho]

Hey, you know what this is? This is the one I was able to see every game today except this one. All the way out there in Vegas. I'm not sure, what do you call it, where certain games. You can't get certain games in your area. Yeah, I was able to get every goddamn game except this one.

[Doug]

Yeah, look, the Jags. Jags are five and three. So they're still what, two games behind Indy, right? I mean, it's probably, it's gonna come down, probably. You see how long CJ's out? CJ took a vicious hit.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I saw that. I saw that.

[Doug]

And that game got ended up getting concussed and didn't come back. Didn't come back in the game. But the Jack, you know, you, you have to be impressed with him. But I don't know what I'm gonna get with the Jags. I see one week they go play great and they play beat Kansas City, and the next week they just go lay an egg. Yeah, so I just don't know the consistency in what I'm gonna get.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And you know, it all starts with the quarterback too, huh?

[Doug]

Every, every.

[Ocho]

Everything starts there. He plays well. He has to always be even. Keel. He has to always be even keel. Defense, you don't know what defense is going to show up either. That's always been a problem for them as well. Let letting up. Some days they look like they got damn 85 bills, some days it don't look good.

[Doug]

And in the ball game, Ocho, we have a new NFL record for field goal. 68.

[Ocho]

68. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

[Doug]

The record was 66. Yeah. By Justin Tucker in Detroit. And then this kid, remember Ocho, he kicked the 70 yard in the preseason.

[Ocho]

Willis, right? Is it Willis or Willis?

[Doug]

No, Little.

[Ocho]

Little. Okay. What's his first name?

[Doug]

Last name is Little. But he got a big ass leg. Oh yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah, absolutely. Hey, do you.

[Doug]

But these guys, the, the distance, I mean, you know, you got the Dallas kicker, Aubrey. He got three kicks over 60 yards.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he nice.

[Doug]

You got the guy from Jackson, not Jacksonville, Tampa. He kicked a 65 yard earlier this year. The distance in which these guys can drill the ball now. It's incredible.

[Ocho]

Yeah. See, not only is it incredible, I think you have to understand what people don't understand, how difficult it is to actually kick the ball. They narrowed the goal post. Not only they've narrowed the goal post. The further out you go, the further out you go.

[Doug]

Harder.

[Ocho]

The harder it is to be accurate. The harder it is to be accurate with that much power and force and kicking the ball and be. To be able to control it that, that far, that far out and wanted to go straight down the middle or hell, what if you're kicking off the left hash? What if you kicking off the right halves, man, that's very difficult for that. That damn far out. So I mean that, that's huge. That's, that's a huge, huge congrats to, to young Bull, you know, getting that NFL record, man, because 68, man, that.

[Doug]

Thing would have been good for about 72. Ojo that it hit the, that it hit the back of the. Hit the. The wall that, that kicked. Have been good from 72.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Now he drove it. He didn't. I mean, I mean he drove it. Oh, I mean it line drive. You wanted to get it up high. But he knew he had to drive it in order to get the distance that he wanted.

[Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Doug]

I mean he hit it flush.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Doug]

He couldn't hit it better.

[Ocho]

If you, you put any air on that, it ain't, it ain't gonna get no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Doug]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, Ojo, when I first got to the league guy kick a 50 yard. You like. Oh, my God.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Doug]

Now 50 yard, you expect. Got. You like it ain't no hoping like Lord, please let it make this kick a 50 yard. You like. You better make that. Yeah, that ain't for these guys now.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that ain't nothing now.

[Doug]

58, 60, 62.

[Ocho]

As routine. Yes, routine now.

[Doug]

Yes. I. I just knew. I thought the cowboys kicker would be the first guy to kick a 70. Aubry. I. I think he. Because he got leg for the. And because. But it's gonna have to be at the end of the half because they are. They're not gonna let you do it in the first quarter. It's got to be the end of the half and you know, something like that.

[Ocho]

And he gonna break it. He gonna break it. They gonna let him do it. They definitely. They definitely gonna let him do it. They're gonna come in a situation where the Cowboys are playing and they're gonna allow Aubrey to go from 68, 69, hell, maybe even 70.

[Doug]

He gonna reset that record because he's in. In the best situation. Because he's indoors. Yeah, he's indoors. And you see this record was broken in Vegas. Indoors.

[Ocho]

Indoors.

[Doug]

Tucker broke the record. Indoors. Yeah. Or somebody that Denver as at, you know, at altitude where the ball. The ball travels.

[Ocho]

Travels.

[Doug]

Right. So if it's going to be outside, it's probably that nice. That 68. It's probably going to have to be in Denver or an indoor. Indoor. Where the elements don't come into play. Damn. And Doug, here we have the limu emu in its natural habitat, helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug. Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us. Cut the camera. They see us. Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty Liberty, Liberty.

[Ocho]

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[Doug]

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[Ocho]

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