Best of Shedeur Sanders Mania Part 2: Unc & Ocho GO OFF on Shedeur Sanders NFL Debut!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Club Shay Shay – "Best of Shedeur Sanders Mania Part 2: Unc & Ocho GO OFF on Shedeur Sanders NFL Debut!"

Release Date: August 13, 2025

In this electrifying episode of Club Shay Shay, hosts Unc (Dan Orlovsky) and Ocho Cinco dive deep into the highly anticipated NFL debut of Shedeur "Shador" Sanders with the Cleveland Browns. The discussion is rich with analysis, passionate debate, and insightful observations about Sanders' performance, his potential impact on the team, and the broader quarterback landscape within the Browns organization.

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1. Shador Sanders' Preseason Performance

The conversation kicks off with a detailed breakdown of Sanders' first preseason game, where he displayed remarkable poise and skill despite limited opportunities.

• Ocho Cinco [01:13]:
  "Shador shines in his first preseason game. 11 of 19, 103 yards passing, two TDs. You know coach prime was fired up."

• Dan Orlovsky [02:30]:
  "He looked like he belonged. He looked different."

Both hosts commend Sanders for his ability to stay calm under pressure, execute his passing accurately, and make decisive plays, highlighting his potential to be a significant asset for the Browns.

2. Team's Quarterback Dynamics

Unc and Ocho delve into the Browns' current quarterback situation, analyzing how Sanders fits into the existing hierarchy alongside Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett.

• Dan Orlovsky [09:05]:
  "Can you be a leader of men? Can you go in calm, show a presence of leadership, run the team, command the team?"

• Ocho Cinco [10:18]:
  "When opportunity presents itself, that's what preparation meets opportunity."

They discuss Gabriel's current standing with the coaching staff and ponder Sanders' potential to climb the depth chart rapidly given his impressive debut.

3. Coaching Decisions and Practice Reps

A significant portion of the discussion focuses on the coaching staff's handling of Sanders' development, particularly the allocation of practice reps and his position on the depth chart.

• Ocho Cinco [13:17]:
  "They’re going to need to see you with the ones and twos to feel comfortable."

• Dan Orlovsky [14:37]:
  "Shador didn't get as many reps as he should have in practice, but he got into a game and what did he do?"

The hosts advocate for the Browns to provide Sanders with more meaningful reps against top-tier competition to fully assess his capabilities and potential as a starter.

4. Mentality and Leadership of Shador Sanders

Sanders' mental toughness and leadership qualities are lauded as key factors contributing to his promising debut.

• Ocho Cinco [17:01]:
  "Shador is in the situation where he doesn’t make excuses and always says the right thing."

• Dan Orlovsky [32:09]:
  "He kept his head down, closed off his ears, and just did what he was supposed to do."

Their appreciation for Sanders' ability to remain focused and positive, despite external pressures and limited playing time, underscores his potential as a future leader for the team.

5. Interaction with Media and Public Perception

The podcast addresses a notable interaction between Sanders and Browns reporter Tony Grassi, highlighting Sanders' professionalism and ability to handle media scrutiny gracefully.

• Shador Sanders [28:30]:
  "I don’t feel like he threw us away as individuals."

• Ocho Cinco [38:21]:
  "Grassi has been like this for 30 years. Shador disarmed him in 62nd and changed his energy."

This segment showcases Sanders' maturity and composure, reinforcing his readiness to take on a more prominent role within the organization.

6. Future Prospects and Conclusion

Wrapping up the discussion, Unc and Ocho express optimism about Sanders' future with the Browns, emphasizing the importance of continued support and opportunities from the coaching staff.

• Ocho Cinco [60:43]:
  "He’s shown enough talent and growth to make anyone believe he should be on the team."

• Dan Orlovsky [61:53]:
  "No matter what you try to do, you can’t deny it."

They urge the Browns to recognize Sanders' potential early on, drawing parallels to legendary quarterbacks who benefited from timely opportunities and support from their teams.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamp Attribution

• Ocho Cinco [10:18]:
  "When opportunity presents itself, that's when preparation meets opportunity."

• Dan Orlovsky [17:37]:
  "He hears what's being written about him, but he kept his head down."

• Ocho Cinco [56:38]:
  "He’s showing something. Sometimes you just need time. Sometimes you need more opportunity."

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Final Thoughts

This episode of Club Shay Shay offers listeners a comprehensive and passionate analysis of Shedeur Sanders' promising NFL debut. Through expert insights and heartfelt discussion, Unc and Ocho Cinco make a compelling case for Sanders' potential to ascend the Browns' quarterback depth chart and become a cornerstone for the team's future success. Fans and followers of the Browns will find this episode particularly enlightening, providing both encouragement and thoughtful critique regarding the team's quarterback strategy.

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Transcript

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[Ocho Cinco]

Shador shines in his first preseason game. 11 of 19, 103 yards passing, two TDs. You know coach prime was was fired up. Time. Yes, Lord, yes. Shador Sanders. Oh yeah, what now, Coach Prime? God is good. Shout out to Cocoa Butter Brothers for sending us this video. LeBron James even weighed in. That young king looking good out there. Shador Sanders. Keep going up, head down and grind and head high to the most and head high to the most high. Jordan Schultz. Text from a high ranking AFC north executive on the Browns, rookie Shador Sanders. It's early but wow. Actually shot how good he looks. Nike Football. When you get your opportunity, create the next one. Only matter of time. Yeah, Ocho. Yeah, we could look, we could pick two plays, Ocho. Well, damn, he missed the samstrong safety blitz where he had a guy ride over to the flat on 2nd and 18 and he skipped the ball to him. But you saw that over route that Brock Purdy throws so well in the San Francisco offense. You see him fit the ball into those tight, those small windows. Did you see him on the move throw that touch pass? Now the receiver made a great one handed catch, but did you see the touch?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

So take off your hand.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Listen, I wanted to see what Shador would look like in a situation that wasn't advantageous to him. He didn't get any Reps, as many reps as he should to prepare himself, to be prepared for a game like this, of this magnitude. Dylan Brooks hurt, Kenny Pickett, hurt Joe Flacco, not playing. So the card that he was dealt to go into this game, can you be a leader of men? Can you go in calm, show a presence of leadership, run the team, command the team, show that regardless of who's. Regardless of who's around you, you can still conduct yourself like quarterback one? He was calm under pressure, went through his progressions, made some great throws, had some errant throws. You know, obviously, that's what film is for. That's what the precinct is for, to fix the nooks and the crannies, to get him out. He looked like he belonged. He looked different.

[Ocho Cinco]

He did.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Andrew Barry, you made the right call. There's a reason that you wanted him. There's no reason he should have dropped as far as he did. You cannot tell me, as any scout, of those 32 teams that didn't need a starting quarterback, but those that needed a quarterback and were in need of one. Watch film on Shador Sanders and what he did at Jackson State and we did at Colorado and said, you know what? No, that's not my guy. The quote you just read from the scout in the AFC north, if you watch film, what did you expect him to look like? He looked exactly like he looked in Colorado. He looked exactly like he looked at Jackson State. Calm under pressure in the pocket, going through progressions, making the right throws. That's what they expected to see.

[Ocho Cinco]

What they expected to see and what some hope to see might be two entirely different things.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Talk to me now, now.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hope, man. I show hope, man. I show hope. This happens, man versus expect to see what I wanted to see. I wanted to see exactly what you what you wanted to see. I want to see. Could he play with poise? Could he throw the ball with con, conviction? Could he be decisive? Could he go through his progressions? The pocket collapses. Could he take off? He showed me some of everything. The over route, threw it on. Timing guy in his face, let him. Boom. Dropped it right in the bucket. He fit those balls a pressure in his face. The second touchdown. Pressure in his face. The first touchdown. The corner slumps off the flat. The safety is hugging him. He fits it in, gets it in.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Boom.

[Ocho Cinco]

On the move. The touch pass over the top. As I mentioned, at the top, the receiver did make a great play, but Shador had a nice loft. That's not an easy throw to make. He was impressive tonight.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Very.

[Ocho Cinco]

And A lot of people. They were in the chat last night. Let's see what Shador does. Let's see what Shador does.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Well, hold on. You know what they're going to say now? Oh, it's the preseason. Oh, he's not playing against their starters. Oh, he's playing against the hell.

[Ocho Cinco]

He didn't have the starters either.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Well, hello.

[Ocho Cinco]

Talk to me. I didn't see Jerry Judy. I didn't see in Joku. I didn't see him starting offensive line.

[Dan Orlovsky]

No Cedric Tillman. So this is what I have to say to those who are going to have another excuse. They're going to move the goalpost, right? They're gonna do the to say, well, he didn't. He wasn't going against the Panther starters. Well, obviously if he's not going against the Panther starters or if he doesn't have his starters as well and what he has at his disposal and look that good with the twos and threes and maybe the fours that are trying to make the team, what do you think is gonna happen when he has the main characters in there around him?

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Dan Orlovsky]

That makes your job a little bit easier that are a little bit better at their position. The knows that he's playing with tonight. What you think gonna happen?

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, they can try to move the goal post, but I ain't trying to kick a field goal or pat. So I'm gonna score anyway. And Shador Sanders scored tonight. I'm gonna give credit where it's due. 14, 23, 138 yards, two touchdowns, no interception. He got two sacks. Like I said, we can nitpick a couple of things. Yeah, it's a strong safety. The Sam strong safety. Blitz, probably. You know what? But it looked like he was telling the guy, bro, I need you to hook up on that. You probably not going to be able to outrun the safety Lamar Jackson, hold on to the ball a little longer because he could outrun the safety, Josh Allen, same thing. That's not Shador. Shador is not a mobile quarterback. He's going to do all. Most. The majority of his damage is going to be in the pocket. Ojo.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Right?

[Ocho Cinco]

He's Tom Brady. I'm not saying he's Tom Brady, but he has the athleticism. That's not what he's known for. Go ahead, Ojo.

[Dan Orlovsky]

But this is the thing. What he lacks in athleticism and inability to get out the pocket, he has g. He has great pocket presence. Huh? Being able to move and being able to not telegraph but understand when that clock is ticking. And when it's time to get up out of there, right. He can move extremely well within the pocket without having to take sacks. What about the third down, huh? The third down, when he scrambled the D line, ran a stunt. He was able to get outside of it.

[Ocho Cinco]

I like. You know what I like the most? He saw the stunt and took off immediately.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yes. Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's what I like, Ocho. That's what I like. Oh, y'.

[Dan Orlovsky]

All.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh. I don't know who's supposed to go first and who's supposed to. I don't know who's supposed to eat or who's supposed to tea, and I don't know who's supposed to tea, right. But I'll tell you what, I'm gone.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I'm gone. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, y'. All. I tell you what y' all figured out in film study tomorrow. But in the meantime. In the meantime, I'm about to pick up this. About to pick up the first down he's played himself. He might have started after four, but after this performance, he can't be number four. Because here's the thing, Ocho, how did you go ahead and told us something very, very interesting. He says you can lose your job because of injury, because let me tell you what's going to happen.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

If you get injured and you're out and a guy comes in and he's playing better than you before you got injured, it's his job. Now ask yourself, was Dylan Gabriel, before he got hurt, was he playing better than what you saw Shador Sanders do tonight? Kenny Pickett? Ask yourself this question. Was he playing better than what Shador was? Than what Shador played tonight?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

So if you're going to honestly ask, answer those questions. Okay?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Right. And the thing about it, what people need to understand for those, that in the chat, it's one thing to have joint practices, it's one thing to practice against yourself and look good against your players.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Everything is scripted, even defensively in those joint practices at times, because there's certain things they want to work on defensively, and there's certain things that you want to work on offensively. When you get into the game, nothing. Nothing is shared from team to team.

[Ocho Cinco]

No.

[Dan Orlovsky]

So it's a green light and everything going as if it's a real game. You're working your scheme, your game plan, and all you have to do is execute it in its simplest form, as simple as preseason games are from an offensive perspective in the way the plays are called. And he did that tonight to a hell of A job, one hell of a job tonight. And this is something to continue to build off of. Cleanup. There were some mistakes. Obviously, they're going to always be mistakes and things you can get better at. And as you continue to see different looks, you're not going to get many looks. Obviously, it's the preseason. Everything you see defensively will be very vanilla, you know, cover tool. Sometimes you might throw in, you know.

[Ocho Cinco]

Don'T count the plays, Ocho. Make the plays count.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah. Oh, and listen, he made him count the night on.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's what you have to do when you're a low round draft pick, Ocho. Me being a no bark being. Being a low round draft pick, Ocho, you're not going to get the plays that a high round draft pick is going to get.

[Dan Orlovsky]

No.

[Shador Sanders]

No.

[Ocho Cinco]

So don't go out there thinking that. But when it's your time shine.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yes. You got to.

[Ocho Cinco]

When is your time shine? And that. Hey, you say I don't count time. I make time count. Well, I didn't count plays, as my brother used to say, hey, I know you ain't get that many reps. Keep your head up. Cause one day John Elway gonna call for you. He gonna look for you. You need to make sure you're ready. You need to be make sure you where you're supposed to be.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

Shador didn't get a whole lot of reps. But when opportunity presents itself, that's what luck is, is when preparation meets opportunity. Amundson said, some call it luck.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I'm glad you just said what you just said. You just said, Shador get. Didn't get as many reps as you should have in practice, but he got into a game and what did he do? Huh?

[Ocho Cinco]

Right. But the ref that he did get in practice, he made those count. Because a lot of times I've seen it. I don't know if you've seen it on your show. I've seen. Guys, man, I ain't getting no burn, man. I can't.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Right?

[Ocho Cinco]

And then when you get out there, you effing up.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You up. Yeah, my bad.

[Ocho Cinco]

Shador says, hey, these one or two reps I might get with the three, the threes and fours.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Right?

[Ocho Cinco]

I got to make these counts. These got to be my. This has got to be my best work of the day.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Because you know, Wild Joe, it might be my only work of the day.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

So if it's my only, it's got to be my best. Because this is the only time they're going to see me on Tape. They see me standing behind and you know, hey, I'm being positive. A good throw, a good catch, good run, good job. Offensive line, good play call coach. But at the end of the day, I need to get an opportunity to show you what I can do. And when the opportunity presents itself, that's what luck is. Preparation, meeting, opportunity. Ahmanson said some call it luck.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Mm. Hey. Hey, listen, I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm happy for young Bull. I'm happy for young Bull. This is one of the few times I can't think of the last time that everyone was excited. Excited about wanting to watch a Cleveland Browns game.

[Ocho Cinco]

Did you see all them people in the stands with the 12 and with the signs? Did you see all that?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Oh, a Cleveland Browns game.

[Ocho Cinco]

Cleveland on the road. Cleveland don't travel like that. Trust me. I was in the same division with them jokers, and guess what? We used to play them same, same. They don't. They didn't travel like that.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

And they ain't got no reason to travel because they've been bad a long time.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah. So listen, tonight we saw a very small sample size. We saw a very small sample size.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Of what Shador Sanders can look like. The fact that he played with the twos. With threes, maybe against twos and threes. I say. I say this to say that what happens when he's with the ones having to run that same offense, right?

[Ocho Cinco]

And you. And you guess what? And you go and you. Game plan. I'm just calling plays arbitrarily, Ocho.

[Dan Orlovsky]

That's it. That's all they doing tonight.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm not game planning. I'm not game planning. Because we normally. Game plan. Game three.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

We go back and now the coaches go back and they look at what they did last season and we script a game plan. That's gonna be what we think we're gonna see on first down, second down, third down, third and short, third and long distance, down in distance area of the field. First and go, second and go, third and go. Now we're calling plays not just to arbitrarily call plays. We're calling plays with a purpose, for a purpose, and eventually they're going to get to that. But I was impressed. Look, I understand it's the preseason.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

But for someone that didn't get as many reps.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

Made the reps that he did get, he made them count in practice. And when he got his opportunity, when it. Opportunity presented itself, he took full advantage. Tom Brady. The opportunity presented itself, which Is, hey.

[Dan Orlovsky]

When the rubber meet the What?

[Ocho Cinco]

When the rubber meet the road, man. And so Shador, he should. He should be proud of himself.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

You know, him being who he is, raised how he was raised. Supposed to say reared. I guess you raise livestock and animals. But anyway, being raised how he was raised, he's not gonna be. He's not gonna be. He's not gonna get. He's not gonna get too high, Ocho, because guess what? He even keel.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, you gotta stay even keel. You know why? Because not only having to deal with the noise on the outside, that's one thing, but now you got to deal with the noise on the inside. Especially with the owner coming out just last week saying, that wasn't my pick.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, that's not who I wanted. Thank you, Mr. Hanum. How you. Yeah, how you doing, Mr. Hannah?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Make sure Andrew Berry gets all the credit like you said. Brother has him. Don't smile.

[Ocho Cinco]

Don't.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Don't even. Don't say anything. Start with an S. He said, don't even say.

[Ocho Cinco]

Don't you say it.

[Dan Orlovsky]

The nerve.

[Ocho Cinco]

The gall.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I'm appalled.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, I'm a David.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I'm gonna say it one more time, and this is for everybody in the chat. If. Even if you don't like Shador, even if you don't like him, how do you watch film, college film, or Shador Sanders and every other quarterback that went before him and see what all of them have done and say, you know what? Now I'm a pass over him. That's not the guy I want.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Dan Orlovsky]

New Orleans Saints, Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't know what other teams that would. In need of a quarterback. How do you do it? I'm just asking from a person that played the game of football and understanding. I have an eye. I have an eye. I played the game for a very long time at a very high level. I'm not saying I'm a scout, but I know what it's supposed to look like in. In situations that. Not. That are not advantageous for you. I just saw a young fella win at Jackson State, turn the Colorado program around that won one game regardless of what his. His record was in his totality, 23 and 12, whatever it may have been. I know what he can do when you got the right pieces around him. I know what he can do. He's a winner regardless of what situation you put him in. And he showed it again tonight, yet again tonight with his back up against the wall.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, he just has the demeanor to be a quarterback. Nothing seems to impact him. He doesn't get too high, he doesn't get too low. He has the utmost confidence in himself. And most the good ones really do. No matter how bad. And we've seen it. No matter how bad it might be going, the really good ones, you know, if it's late in the ball game, they got a chance to beat you.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

And Shador is in the situation where it's like. Doesn't make any excuses, and he always says the right thing. Listen, it's not as easy as you think to always say the right thing, because you're dealing with the human element of it. The human element of it. No matter how much you have, no matter how little you have, no matter how good you've been, no matter how bad you've been, you're dealing with the human, an element of it. And people have emotions, People have feelings. And so even sometimes when people lash out and say things like, damn, man, you know, you. You take the amount of time. But he hears what's being written about him.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Absolutely.

[Ocho Cinco]

He's. He hears, he sees. If he doesn't, he's getting. Word is getting back to him. But I just love the way the man, he kept his head down, closed off his ears, and just did what he was supposed to do. He went to work.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

And that's how you have to approach it. Don't get mad. I ain't trying to prove y' all wrong. I'm trying to prove me right. And in the process of proving me right, I'll prove you wrong. It was. It was a great job. It was his first outing. Like I said, those throws, it was the throw. It wasn't so. It was. It was the throws that he made. Ocho, go back and take a look at that overball. And we see brock purdy throw 3 or 4 those a game to iuk. He used to hit Bre Debo on those plays. Your KD on the over. Look at how he threw that ball, the timing of it.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Do you do. Do you understand the anticipatory skills you have to have as with pressure coming at you? There was one. There was one. There was one overthrow he couldn't even see.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Because on the replay, we couldn't even see him. We just saw the ball come out. So he's anticipating where the receiver was going to be, and he just made the throw and put it only where the receiver could catch it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep.

[Dan Orlovsky]

That first touchdown people saw tonight, I don't think they understand how difficult the game is. I don't think they understand how difficult the game is, but he made it look like he's been doing it for a very long time. It's his first time. It's his first time in an NFL game, but he's used to it. Chad, look at his mannerisms. Look how he walk on the first down. Okay. He almost did the wide celebration. He said, you know what? I'm looking at the time, but it ain't time yet. And just, just everything about him in being quarterback number one, just the way he carried himself, he was ready for the moment. No matter what they. No matter what they did, no matter what they said, just put me in a situation, just hand me the cards, give me the hand, and I'm going to play it. And he did that just. Just exactly how we should tonight. The hand he was dealt, he played the hand very well. And it's only going to get better from here. It doesn't go backwards.

[Ocho Cinco]

You don't.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You don't digress. I'm excited, and this is coming from a Bengal fan at home. I'm excited for the Browns to finally maybe have the answer at the quarterback position after trying 35 times over the years. You know, I. Man, listen, man, I can go on and on about this, but go ahead. You got it.

[Ocho Cinco]

I think the thing is, the biggest thing that an athlete can have is the ability to believe that he belongs. He or she belongs. I was a seventh round draft pick. Shadow was a five. There was 12 rounds. When I was a seventh, there seven rounds. He's a fifth.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

But there is not one point in time that I didn't feel I belonged on that field because I saw a lot of these guys at the bowl games. I saw these guys at combine and I read about them.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

And I remember calling my brother at the East West Shrine grass. I said, he do not better than me. They're not better than me. I don't care what they say.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

I remember going to the combat. That man, I, you know, he's like, what you think you read? I say, probably post 6, 4, 7. I say, but they're not better than me. They might be faster than me, but they're not better than me. I belong in the NFL. And when I went to Denver, all those guys that went before me, I'm like, ain't no way. I remember asking myself, how in the hell did you get drafted before me?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

I said, but don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. I said, it won't be long. It won't be. It Was like the cat. When the girl said, boy, the cat got his tail caught in the washing machine. You know what he said, Ocho? He said, it won't be long now. He said she didn't know what he was talking about. His tail wouldn't be long anymore or it won't be long before it all be over.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, man. And when we put the pads on, Ocho. Yeah, I'll never forget because you know the rookies, we went to camp before the vets, so we would go like a couple of days before the vets. So we would already be practicing right at in Denver before we headed up to Greeley.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

I saw him. They was nervous, Ocho, like a long tailed dog with a porch full of rocking chairs. You know, somebody leaned back and go be on the stage. You know what I'm talking about now. I thought they were nervous. I say, oh yeah, that's all I need to see. Just a little fear. Just a little fear in a man's eyes. Cause that's my. That's my greatest ability.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

Another man's fear.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I like it. I like it. And listen, I know we've been talking about Shador, but listen, remember I told. Remember I remember what I told you about the Panthers, right?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Remember what I told you about the Panthers? If there's a dark. A chat. Stay with me real quick. If there's a dark horse team that I believe in this year that is going to creep up and maybe make it run into the playoffs, I said it would be the Panthers. They didn't look bad. Bryce Young didn't look bad. Jalen Cobra went crazy tonight. T. Mac, the rookie from Arizona looked good tonight. I know. Xavier Leggett got thrown out, getting into a little tussle. Listen, I love the passion. It's just preseason. That's fixable. That's fixable. But again, look how the Panthers look early in the game. For those. I know everybody tuned in to watch the door, but I'm telling you right now, and I said it first, someone that's not much of a Panther fan didn't play for the organization. They owe me nothing. I'm telling you, the dark horse team for this season, the Carolina Panthers, Bryce Young and that receiving corps, I'm telling you, watch Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

I ain't never been that hot in a preseason game. No, the tussle.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Oh yeah, they were going at it, huh?

[Ocho Cinco]

I. I don't really got no tussling practice, bro. Cause all I'll tell you what, Dan Reeves gonna Say you fighting. That means we ain't working hard enough. Mike Shanahan say the same thing, right? We ain't working hard enough, bro. It ain't like it is now, bro. Them two hour, two and a half hour practice, man, please. With pads and you had on pads and. Oh, let me take that back. Ojo you have on. They call them. See what they call shells with shoulder pads and shorts.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

It's not shells like they call it now. Basically got those little, little fitted styrofoam stuff on. That was not shells. When. When I got in the 90s, shells were shoulder pads and shorts.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Shorts. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

And. And you know, we hit. They. They were. We hit back then. 907 was live.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yep.

[Ocho Cinco]

Team. Team was a solid thud up. It wasn't no touch. The guy on the zoo like a two hand touch. Oh, no, you. You put shoulders on him, you put pads on him.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, you bet. You better come to. You better come to balance and be ready.

[Ocho Cinco]

I remember Dennis Smith. We call him Kahuna and Atwater. Man, they come down in that box. Well, we had Thumpers back then. Oh, yeah, man, please.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Hey, at water ain't Playboy Dog. At water coming downhill now.

[Ocho Cinco]

And at water wasn't the thumper like Dennis Smith. Kahuna was The Thumper. Number 49.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. More than Atwater.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes, let's. Yes. Lord Ocho, I saw that joke. Hey, at 205, 210. Yeah, I saw him sit Lyman. Sit Lyman on the ass they pulling. He ain't never go low.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

Putting that shoulder in their chest and sit them down at 210. At 210. Go back if y' all can find it. Go back and check the tape. He hit Roosevelt Potts. They both ran. He pots come through the hole. He hit him.

[Dan Orlovsky]

He was out cold.

[Ocho Cinco]

Marion Butts. Hey, if you. If you a Charger fan, you know who. Because back then, Ocho, they had a big old big running back. They had big Marion Butts. They had Rod Bernstein. They had a big. They had Joe Caravello, Big Joe Cox. I mean, they are. The tight ends were like £300. Offensive line, mammoth. Offensive line.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Kahuna run through them. Go back and look at that play with Dennis Smith. Hit Marion Buss and he hit Roosevelt Potts.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah. Hey, you know who else was a thumper too? Remember Donovan Darius?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, yeah. I played against DD at Jacksonville, but that was back in the 90s. You had Chuck Cecil, you had Mark. Mark Carrier from Chicago.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Boy, back then it wasn't nothing defenseless about that. They say you got helmet and shoulder pads. What the hell you thought was gonna happen? You come across the middle.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Oh, yeah, you're gonna get that work.

[Ocho Cinco]

What?

[Dan Orlovsky]

You gonna get that work.

[Ocho Cinco]

Rodney Harrison.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Oh, Rod coming with. Rod coming with all forearm every time.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey. I say, hey, bro. Hey, sharp. Just stay on my knees. I say, hey. Gotcha. But boy, we tried. Boy, we definitely tried to hit each other in the mouth.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, yeah. Hey, that's a hard playing joker.

[Sarah Spain]

Get fired up, y'.

[Ocho Cinco]

All.

[Sarah Spain]

Season 2 of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people and an incomparable soccer icon, Megan Rapinoe to the show and we had a blast. We talked about her recent 40th birthday celebrations, Co hosting a podcast with her fiance Sue, Bird watching former teammates retire and more. Never a dull moment with Pino. Take a listen. What do you miss the most about being a pro athlete? The final. The final. And the locker room. I really, really like you. Just, you can't replicate. You can't get back. Showing up to the locker room every morning just to talk. We've got more incredible guests like the legendary Candace Parker and college superstar AZ Fuddy. I mean, seriously, y', all, the guest list is absolutely stacked for season two. And you know, we're always going to keep you up to speed on all the news and happenings around the women's sports world as well. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

[Jake Hofer]

I'm Jake Hofer and this is Back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Ocho Cinco]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Ocho Cinco]

Shador said all the right things last night, as he as expected after a great preseason debut. Let's take a listen to what Shador had to say.

[Shador Sanders]

I mean, God's patient with us as humans. We mess up at times, but I, I don't feel like he throw us away as, as individuals. So it's different things and different life lessons you know, you got to go through. And I haven't went through this situation, you know, that. That I'm in ever. So it's. It's really just a test, you know, I feel like from God or whoever it's from. It's just a test. But anyway, I'm just thankful that I was able to see the day of light and get out there and be able to play. So, you know, they didn't have to let me play. So anything and everything, you know, is good for me. So then, you know, the kids looking up, the kids definitely inspire me. Of course. Of course. More so. A lot of people incarcerated that definitely talk to their friends to talk to me, to tell me my friend. My friend from jail was, you know, watching you play and watching everything that's going on. So it's just like the world, you know, I say is so small and everybody sees everything. And I'm thankful to be able to inspire people through everything. Cause the lady just told me now when I'm having a bad day, I just think about Shadora and I'm saying I'm gonna act like Shadora, you know, so, like, that's so cool, you know, to me that I'm some form of inspiration.

[Ocho Cinco]

J'. Adore. The only thing I'm gonna disagree with you. They had to let you play. Cause everybody else was hurt. Cause you ain't had no choice if they didn't let you play. They brought. They brought a guy in. They brought in Snoop Huntley. Cause Flacco wasn't gonna play and the other two couldn't play, so. But you did your thing. All you could control is what you could control. What you could control was how you played, how you handle the situation that you've been placed in.

[Dan Orlovsky]

He did very well. He did one hell of a job.

[Ocho Cinco]

And he handled it well. He said all the right things. He did all the right things. And that's control. What you can control, what you can't control. Don't worry about it. Control what you can control. He went through a storm, something he never. If you'd have told him a year ago he would be in this situation, where he's at right now. He wouldn't have believed it. His dad wouldn't have believed it. Nobody. You or I didn't. Wouldn't have believed it.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Absolutely not. Based on.

[Ocho Cinco]

But you're here now. It's. Forget how I got here. How are you going to get out of here?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Cause a lot of time, you know, we spent a lot of time with you, man. How we got into the situation. You're in the situation now. How you gonna get out of it?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

And. And I think you've done a great job. Look, you know, I'm sure he talks to his dad. Even though his dad is not there, he still talks to his dad daily. Dad gives him great advice. He doesn't put any more on us that we can handle.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Absolutely not. And sometimes the situation they put you in, they're not advantageous for you. It's not the best situation for you because you got people in the situation. You win that don't even believe in you. And that's when it hurt worse. Most of the time, if you hear someone, oh, I'm a part of your organization, and you say, well, hell, I ain't want you, though. That's. That's meant to break you. That's meant to break you. You don't.

[Ocho Cinco]

You can't break what you didn't build. You can't break what you can't create.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Come on, now. But everybody's not built like that mentally.

[Ocho Cinco]

You right, true.

[Dan Orlovsky]

In this era.

[Ocho Cinco]

True.

[Dan Orlovsky]

In this era of. Of sensitivity and, oh, he said this about me and. No, everybody's not built for that. That's meant to break you. And if they break you mentally, it affects what you do in between the lines on the green grass. But that's neither here nor there. He played well. The small sample size we got to see at brother Sanders, 12 look good. He look good.

[Ocho Cinco]

You're right, O Joe. You're right. Everybody. I mean. I mean, sometimes. I mean, sometimes when things are not going your way and you feeling down, man, it's hard to stay positive. And I think the thing, the best thing for him is that he has a dad that's really positive. He sees the positivity in everything. Even when it's all negativity, he'll find something positive. He'll find something good to say.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Thanos.

[Ocho Cinco]

Ask Ojo what he wants.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Make him bark. Make him bark. Huh? Make him bark.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, no, we don't want that. I tried to deter him from barking. And. And. And the thing is, I put Titus up, Titus asleep. So I ain't got to worry about Titus coming here and him growling and going crazy.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Hey, that's a good combination, boy.

[Ocho Cinco]

And then I took the bones up. Cause him and Teddy fighting over the bones. He wanted all the bones. He didn't want Teddy to have none, so he had three. I gave each one a bone, so he had his, and he bargained at Teddy's. So once I gave him. Once I gave him Teddy's, it was all good. So I just took all three of them. Cause he had two at first. Teddy just had one. But he wasn't satisfied with that. He wanted all three. So I said, no, we're not finna do that.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Oh, you got a little.

[Ocho Cinco]

We're gonna take the bones on your.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Hands over there, man.

[Ocho Cinco]

You want to go stay with Ocho?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Hey, yeah. Come on over here, Thanos. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna take you down to the city, boy. Huh? They got a dog. They got a dog park downtown.

[Ocho Cinco]

He said, I can go to the dog park. He said, you know, I got. I got. You know, I had a little minor procedure about a month wait.

[Dan Orlovsky]

What happened? He had surgery already.

[Ocho Cinco]

We all good.

[Dan Orlovsky]

What's wrong with him?

[Ocho Cinco]

We gotta. We got it fixed up.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Oh, why you. Man?

[Ocho Cinco]

It's outlook. He said he heard. He heard about them child support payments. He said he want none of that.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Okay. Okay.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Okay. Get out there and have a little fun, man. Yo, new girl. Yeah. When they see that.

[Ocho Cinco]

He said, we ain't having no fun. But Shador look good. He looked good. He looked really good last night. He spoke really good after the game. And the thing now is to build. Excuse me. Is to build on what he did last night. He also spoke about gifting teammates some new cleats. Check this out. Ojo.

[Shador Sanders]

Yeah, I'm just excited for all of them. I gifted a lot of receivers. The prime DT96s. You know, a couple of them had them on, so I just. I just gifted a couple of them, like the main receivers going into this game, you know, I. I gifted them some cleats, some warm. Some didn't. But I was like, okay, this is just my little appreciation gift to them because they don't be having a lot in stock, so I couldn't. I couldn't do everybody. I wish I could, but. Yeah, it's great.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Hey, the ones he won the game were dope.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, those are the ones you talk about.

[Dan Orlovsky]

They had the. The orange lining, like, for the brown. Color scheme, colorway. Yeah, they was nice. They were nice. I think, also as a receiver. But for me, I wouldn't want to cleat that heavy. No, the Dion. I mean, they're heavy even based on the way they're made. I want a lighter shoe as possible. So. I mean, they look good.

[Ocho Cinco]

Unless time could have been out. Time could have been out there in Tim's and running all three. Absolutely.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Absolutely.

[Ocho Cinco]

But it. It all depends. I was a. You know, I wore. I wore a TD bottle.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Okay.

[Ocho Cinco]

So I Wore wide receiver cleats at ankles.

[Dan Orlovsky]

So you. So you was. You was good.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, because I'm a hard planner, me.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Even though I'm a hard planner, Unc. It's funny. Reebok obviously, was Reebok back. Back then, I had Reebok take all the lining out of my shoe. I don't want any support. I want my shoe to be just like a track shoe, just like attraction. I need to feel the floor. I need to feel the floor when I stop, when I go, when I try to cut and transition. I don't want anything restricting my ankles when it's time for my lateral wound and. And movements. So all I had was a shell, some shoelaces and cleats at the bottom. That's it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, that's it. But you always wore molded bottom. You wore a tempo bottom. Yeah. You didn't. You didn't. We are. Yeah. You didn't wear snow.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I didn't have a choice. But the West 7 does. When we played in Hines Field, I think they let the field be messed up like that on purpose. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

The goodness.

[Dan Orlovsky]

It's like. I don't know. I don't know. That was an advantage for them. The advantage for them. But, yeah, that's the only time I wore seven studs is when we played at Hines Field.

[Ocho Cinco]

There's a video that's been making his way around, courtesy of Bucky, is him confronting Brown's reporter Tony Grassi for not having anything positive to say. Ocho, let's take a look at this video. I'll be hoping you got something positive to say.

[Shador Sanders]

You only say negative, and I'm like, I ain't do nothing to you.

[Ocho Cinco]

I ain't seen nothing positive that you've ever seen.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I condemn. Hey, that's dope, Monk. I like it. I like it because most of the time those interactions like that, that's not how they go when it comes to players. Most of the time. When it comes to a beat reporter that's been established for that long as a Cleveland beat reporter, when it comes to saying something negative, most of the time the player challenges him in that manner. Because you've never said anything positive. And I could just imagine. I haven't read any of the articles. I could just imagine if the rest of the world has been somewhat negative towards Shador. I could imagine what the person that's in house that sees him every day, rights. So the fact that they were able to do it with. With a smile, with class, with grace and understanding. Well, God damn. Do you have Anything nice to say because everything I've seen so far has been negative. I did nothing to you. But obviously the dude had the job to do. You understand how to get the views. You have to understand negativity. Negativity. It would create traction. Clickbait. How can I get people to read what I'm writing? Will you talk negative about the biggest thing going on right now in Cleveland outside of LeBron James when he was there? Right now, it's your door, Sanders.

[Ocho Cinco]

Robert Littell, Black Sports Online. Grassy has been like this for 30 years. Baker couldn't. Couldn't handle it. Couldn't. I guess he's saying Baker could not have handled it. Shador disarmed him in 62nd and changed his energy. That's a gift not all people have for negative people.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Hey, listen, they'll smile in your face. They're smiling face. Obviously at that point and in that moment with Shador greeting him the way he did with class, with grace. But God damn. Are you gonna say anything? I'm just waiting on you to say something nice. Something.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

So the guy has no. I mean, what can you say? Especially after that performance. What can you say? And I know people will say, oh, it's the preseason. Oh, it's a small sample size. Let's see what he does in the regular season. I mean, it's still. This is all we have to go off. So we're talking about what we saw in that specific case. In that. Mom, I'm curious to what he wrote today. Cause I'm sure he has something to say today.

[Ocho Cinco]

Look, I think it's different for a quarterback because, you know, the eyes are all on you. But I really never had no problem. I was a seventh round draft pick. I wasn't supposed to be ish anyway, so anything that I gave him 20 catches that was good. But as I got, you know, I had never had a problem with Mark Kisler, never had a problem with Woody Page. I never had a problem with. Who else? Jim Armstrong. He was a columnist when I was there. He was with the Indy Star. Now I forget his name. Shefter and I got to Denver at the same time Adam Schefter was reported in Denver. Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Well, Shefty been at this thing for a minute, boy.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, yeah. Who's the guy? Buck for the indie star? Nah, he's the. He's the columnist. He's the big guy, huh? No, no, no, no, no, no. Who's the big. But he was in. He was in Denver when I was there the first half I hate when I can. Nope. Come on, Denver, help me. I know y' all in the chat.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Hey, somebody in the chat say, Teddy, look. I mean, Thanos look like a skunk. His. His colorway, Teddy. I mean Thanos.

[Ocho Cinco]

I ain't talking.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I want to learn how to whistle like this. Huh? You know how to whistle like this, Hunter?

[Ocho Cinco]

No.

[Dan Orlovsky]

It should be loud as hell. I want to learn how to do that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Probably too late now.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Well, damn. I can't. It's too. I got. It's a certain age. Age.

[Ocho Cinco]

Are we. Why you try to whistle like that now?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I just. I just never. I just. I don't know. I'm going to a NASCAR event soon and I want to be able to make sure I could whistle like that at the NASCAR event I'm going to. They'll take. Oh, yeah, yeah. Remember I told Bubba. I told Bubba I was coming. So I'm actually coming. We got everything aligned. So I'm going down there. I got my. I got my. My flannel, my cut off sleeves. I got my jorts. I'm serious. I got my jorts. I'm ready. The only problem is I don't drink. Long as they got hot dogs. And I'm gonna have my coke with no ice. Two hot dogs. Nice little date. My lady friend. I know she probably watching, man.

[Ocho Cinco]

What's that guy? Hey, I can't think of his name, man.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Hey, Chat. I got a poem. Y' all want to hear it or you want to. You want to save it for later?

[Ocho Cinco]

We're going to save it for later. Okay, I'll think about it. Just cause you're hot. Yeah. Kevin Stefanski was asked what Shador's big game does for the depth chart for the Browns. His response was, yeah, we're really just focused on developing our players. Players. We'll. We're in evaluation modes. I'm pleased where the guys are, but I'm not diving into no quarterback competition.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You got to. You got to keep it safe. You don't have a choice but to keep it safe. You don't have a choice but to keep it safe. There's not much you can say. He's not in position to really say anything. You can't make any evaluations based off what you saw tonight. Listen, brother, Stefanski, he doesn't even have the power to be able to give the green light on what he wants to do. He doesn't have the power to give the green light on what he wants to do. It's going to come. It's going to come down to upper those upstairs, but I think it's going to come to a point where certain individuals are going to play so well. They're not going to have a choice. They're not going to have a choice. But I know one thing, I can tell you this. A blind man can see that Joe Flacco will be the starter for the foreseeable future until things aren't going well offensively for the Cleveland Browns. And I'm. I'm assuming, as I said long ago, that Shadu would be number two, and he's been able to show that. I hope, hopefully Kenny Picket and Dylan Gabriel can get healthy, so they should showcase themselves in the preseason games and what they can, what they can and can't do, and that's it. I'm. I'm hope it's a. A good, healthy quarterback battle once they get back healthy.

[Ocho Cinco]

So you think it's going to be his job? You think he's going to be the number two?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, absolutely. I said, I said that. Yeah, I said I said that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Man, Ocho, you ever. You, like, want to think of something and you can't think of it? I get mad. I just wouldn't. Now I just be wanting to go to bed. I don't even want to.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You can't think of. You can't think of the guy's last name?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, man, it's driving me crazy. Whatever. Hey, listen, I'm have to call. I'm have to call. I'm gonna have to call Mike Cliffs tomorrow, man. What's that? Dude, he's gonna come to you.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Ugh.

[Ocho Cinco]

Thanos. You know his name? He says, look, I'm not even a year old. I won't even be a year old until December. So clearly I don't know what you're talking about.

[Sarah Spain]

Get fired up, y'.

[Ocho Cinco]

All.

[Sarah Spain]

Season 2 of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people and an incomparable soccer icon, Megan Rapinoe to the show, and we had a blast. We talked about her recent 40th birthday celebrations, Co hosting a podcast with her fiance, Sue Bird, watching former teammates retire and more. Never a dull moment with Pino. Take a listen. What do you miss the most about being a pro athlete? The final. The final. And the locker room. I really, really like you. Just. You can't replicate. You can't get back. Showing up to the locker room every morning just to talk. We've got more incredible guests like the legendary Candace Parker and college superstar Az Foot. I mean, seriously, y' all the guest list is absolutely stacked for season two and you know we're always going to keep you up to speed on all the news and happenings around the women's sports world as well. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

[Jake Hofer]

I'm Jake Hofer and this is Back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be ask asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Ocho Cinco]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Ocho Cinco]

NFL Insider says Shador Sanders still stands behind Dylan Gabriel for the Browns coaches. Gabriel is ahead of Sanders in the eye of the coaching staff, but rarely in training camp has that position match what we've seen on the field. The quarterback situation remains the story of camp and should do. Sanders is settling in to lead Three scoring drives in the most extended action of the summer won't make the team's consistent stance that Sanders is fourth in a line any less perplexing. No reasonable person thinks Sanders will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently attack a complicated defense three weeks from now. He's shown enough talent and growth, however, to make anyone believe he should be on the team and have a chance to develop into a starting, starting quality player. Sanders is talented. His throat out of the end zone to wide receiver Greg Lovardin in the preseason over, over. And his floater down the sideline to receiver Luke Fleria later are proof. Until we see Sanders get practice reps with with the number one offense, we can't believe the Browns view him as having much of a shot to be the number two when the season began. I agree with what they're saying, but that's my. My point is. Okay, you said have we seen enough? Have you seen enough for Dylan? What have you seen from Dylan Gabriel to make you think he can be number two?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Did you hear? Did you. Who the. Excuse me, who wrote that?

[Ocho Cinco]

The Browns Athletic Insider.

[Dan Orlovsky]

The Browns Athletic Insider, right?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep.

[Dan Orlovsky]

So you see Shador do what he does three quarters of football three, I think maybe. Maybe play well into the fourth quarter, right?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I think so.

[Dan Orlovsky]

So in a live game, you saw him play the way he played and still question if he can do the same thing when he has the actual starters at his disposal. I'm confused.

[Ocho Cinco]

My thing is, he says no reasonable person thinks Sanders will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently attack a complicated NFL defense three weeks from now. What about Dylan Gabriel? Has he shown you enough to make them believe that three weeks from now he can lead this team against a complicated defense? I. I digress even further. Has Kenny Pickett ever shown you that he can lead a team against a complicated defense? Because all I know is that what I keep hearing is what you telling me what he can't do. Like my coach just said college. Hey, we'll put it. Find something that he can do. See, you keep telling me what Shador can't do. Well, your job as a coach is to put players in position and find something that they can do.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Wait a minute, but where's the can coming from when we just saw him do it? I know it's a small sample size, it's 3/4 of football, but everything you said he can do, he just did. Matter of fact, he just did what we already saw him do at Jackson State. He just did what we saw him do at Colorado. We just did. Even though it's a small. Sam aside, Unc, I played the game for a very long time.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I played the game for a very long time. I'm a receiver. I know what it's supposed to look like. I know what it looks like when there's a quarterback that's playing in a game and he's confident, he's polished, his pocket presence, his mannerisms. I know what it should look like. We've seen Kenny Pickett with the Steelers. If he was the answer for Cleveland, he would have been the answer in Pittsburgh.

[Ocho Cinco]

What's the question you asking? Because if Kenny Pickett is the. If Kenny Pickett is the answer, I need to know the question. Did he play for the University of Pittsburgh? Yes.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I don't know what more. I don't know what more. Listen, when you fill out your resume, right? When you fill out your resume and you go in for that job interview, you want to put your best foot forward. You want to keep a lasting impression, correct? Well, the lasting impression is what we saw Friday night from the person they claim is the fourth string quarterback.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

What do we do? We build from that on Saturday?

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, you build from that. No, you build from that starting in practice by giving him more reps, more quality reps. You don't leave him in the position that he was in where he's getting a handful of reps with the threes and fours, you give him some opportunities with the ones with the twos. I'm not saying you, he has to take 5, 6 reps with the ones, but I'm saying you sprinkle, maybe you give him one or two reps, maybe you give him three or four reps with the twos. I do agree with this. Until we see Sanders get practice reps with the number one offense, we can't believe the Browns view him as having much of a shot to be number two when the season began. True. I do. I do agree with that statement. You're not going from four to two. If you four training camp, then all of a sudden the season start, you're number two.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

They're going to need to see you with the ones and twos to feel comfortable because they got to make a decision. And when you make that decision, you release somebody, ain't no guarantee that you're going to be able to bring them back and put them on your practice squad. Somebody might sign them and put them on the active roster. So that the case, Ocho, do I stay on your practice squad for, say, 25, 30,000, or do I go somewhere and get an opportunity to get a real roster spot and make almost a million dollars a year? So that's the question that you have. That's a decision that you make when you release these guys. Because I'm sure there are some guys, you know, I would love to have him have another year learning our system. And when we come back next year, having the OTAs, the training camp, the season of working, the scout team stuff, when we come back for otas, Ocho, he should be good to go. He should be fully developing. Good to go. So I don't want people thinking that we beat Ocho and I beating up on Zach Jackson. I agree with what he's saying, but my thing, I'm more talking about the Browns as a, as, as an organization, as a coaching staff. Are you? Are you? Because the fans are saying you want us to believe you or our lying eyes? Oh, I, I, I know, I know. I know what my eyes. I saw. I know what I saw. I hear what you say it, but I see better than I hear.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Come on, now.

[Ocho Cinco]

Y' all keep telling us Dylan Gabriel. Dylan Gabriel. But we have yet to see him. Now, everything that I see is that now he's, you know, she's not better than Shador. For most of the articles that I've been reading at 8. People can write whatever they want to write. So I don't want to put too much emphasis, but I haven't seen. I haven't read a whole lot that where they said that Dylan Gabriel is better, has been played, has played better or playing better than Shador.

[Dan Orlovsky]

What did I tell you? What did I tell you not too long ago?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

About how camp looked.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I'm not saying no names again this time because I don't want to get nobody in no trouble. What did I tell you?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

And then exactly what that individual said. Who's in there every day that plays on the other side of the ball and has to see it. Exactly what he said way back then. We saw it show up. The fact that he's not getting first team reps with the ones of the twos and still went out there and looked the way he did. What does that tell you?

[Ocho Cinco]

He getting marginal reps to begin with. Damn. The one with the tools, Ocho, he barely getting reps at all.

[Dan Orlovsky]

And then still. Okay, I'll say no more again. Say no more. So you're not doing him justice in practice. But still showed up in the game and looked the par and looked like that. What does that say? But we gonna see Saturday. And I hope Dylan Gabriel gets his opportunity because I would love to see what he does and then what he gives that offense and that. That coach of staff that believes in him. I'm hoping he gets a fair shot. I'm hoping he does. I'm hoping he does. I would love to see it. I would love to see it. I know he's a competitor. He was great at Oregon. He was really good. So I'm all. I'm all. I'm all for it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, it's. Let the guy like. It's like when you in that situation, the guy flashes normally when guys flashes in camp. Ojo, you and I both played the NFL for a long time. We both played at a high level.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco]

Every team that I've been on, when a guy flashes in practice, a guy flashes in the game, he get. He gets to move up and he gets meaningful reps. More meaningful reps, meaning he's no longer on the third or fourth. They'll sneak some reps in with the twos. Maybe they'll give him one or two shots at with the ones. That's normally how it works. They're not so set in their ways that it's like, oh, we just see this guy as. It's kind of like td. I give You a prime example. TD was a guy. TD was a six round draft pick. TD was probably like the fifth of the sixth running back. But every day he made that play on kickoff and every day you saw TD get a little better. He gave him a little bit more reps. And so all of a sudden he go from six to five, from five to four, four to two after the first game of the season. TD won. Yeah, normally that's how it plays out. Guys show you in the game. Because when guys flashing practice, Ocho, you're thinking to yourself, I wonder if he do that in the game. Hell, coach put his hands in the game, let's see what he could do.

[Shador Sanders]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's, that's, that's normally how it happened. Wade Phillips, our defensive coordinator, that's how I got in the game. He said, Dan put his ass in the game. Let's see if they can cover him. Cause we can't. Dan like okay, they put my ass in the game.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, Shador, I think Shador showed you something that he deserving. I'm not saying he needs to. You need to implement him as the starter, the number one. Ocho. I didn't, we didn't say that. That's not what we're saying. But I think he's shown you enough Friday to says, you know what, we might need to give him some more quality reps with guys that's going to be playing on Sunday. And let's see him facing the number one defense, Miles Garrett, those guys over there. But let's give him Jerry Judy, let's give him in Joku do. Let's see if he can replicate some of that what he did on Friday with the ones today. Yeah, that's all we're saying.

[Dan Orlovsky]

And can I, can I say one more thing?

[Ocho Cinco]

Go ahead.

[Dan Orlovsky]

If you can do what he did without getting the practice reps in a game without the number ones around him, things only get easier when you have the ones at your disposal that are better at the position. Cedric Tillman and Joku, Jerry Jude. It only becomes easier.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes.

[Dan Orlovsky]

It doesn't get more difficult now once you're playing against the team that scheme for you and disguises and, and does all the, all the stuff, you know, with a game planning for you. Okay, that's different then you just have to process a little bit faster. Yeah, it's vanilla. They line up and they just go.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's exactly how it is. But Ocho, you get better at something by doing said thing.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yes, exactly. Hear what you just said. You get better at something by doing said thing. But he wasn't doing said thing because he right and still look the way he did.

[Ocho Cinco]

I agree. I agree.

[Dan Orlovsky]

They don't view it that way. They, that organization, they don't view it that way.

[Ocho Cinco]

How?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I, I don't know. I don't know. But I'm, I'm guessing in the, in the, in the direction in which they're going. I'm hoping they're right. They haven't been right in the 35 quarterback that they tried previously. But maybe I'm wrong.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, I just think I do believe that he's earned the right to get quality reps with the ones and twos. I'm not saying that you implement him that now he's QB1, I'm not saying he's QB2, maybe. But I think he's earned that opportunity.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I know one thing. I know one thing. They better put a statue of Andrew Barry outside that goddamn stadium.

[Shador Sanders]

Huh?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Tell you that. I, I listen, I can already foresee how it's gonna go. I already know how it's gonna go. I can already see it. They gonna continue to play, continue to play, continue to play. Put everybody in front of them, continue to play. And then when this opportunity presents itself like it did because of injury, he looked a certain way. You can't deny it. No, you can't deny it. No matter what you try to do, you can't deny it. You can't.

[Ocho Cinco]

Ocho and Cleveland doing this. Sometimes a man can make his destiny on the very road he took to avoid it. Sometimes they might even have their quarterback, even though they tried to avoid giving him the opportunity.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Come on now. Come on now.

[Ocho Cinco]

On the very road you took to avoid it, you found your destiny. I, I, I just, I'm not saying I'm general manager. I'm not saying I'm a player personnel director. I just know that when guys flash go back, Tom Brady, they kept four quarterbacks that year.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Coach Belichick said that he saw something in Tom that said if he got more of an opportunity, he might be okay. He didn't know he was going to be this. Hell, if he knew he was going to be that, somebody would have taken him in the first pick in the draft.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

But he flashed enough guys, you know, late round picks.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Okay.

[Ocho Cinco]

Like he, he, he's showing something. He just some, Sometimes you just need time. Sometimes you need more opportunity. You know, looking at Trey Lance. Trey Lance, like he needed time. Time which the 49ers didn't have. 49ers are on the clock. They got to win. Now, with the roster that they have, they're not in rebuild. Well, the Cleveland. What are you. I mean, you just gave a guy $140 million. He's under the assumption. Now, he played it both ways. You know, I want out. Y' all not winning. Got the money. Hey, but what are y'. All. What are y' all doing? Are y' all in rebuild or you trying to win? Because y' all see who's in your division. Lamar Jackson and. And Joe Burrow. Now, LaMar Jackson is 27, 28. He go got. He got another five to 10 years in Baltimore. Joe Burrow might be a year younger than Lamar. He's got another five to ten years in Cincinnati. Well, while y' all playing musical chairs with quarterbacks, they've identified their guy, and he's going to be there for the almost a decade. You're not beating a team that has an established quarterback playing musical chairs with quarterbacks.

[Dan Orlovsky]

No, not at all. Not at all. Listen, I mean, it's. This is. It's exciting. It's exciting. And listen, even as a. As a Bengal fan, as a Bengal player at heart, it's. It's enjoyable to be talking about the Browns. It's enjoyable, huh? It's. It's exciting. It's. It's exciting for. For. For Brown fans. I mean, when's the last time you had a player of this magnitude who's a rookie that has you guys in the national spotlight like this, Right? At all. At all times?

[Ocho Cinco]

Basically. Yeah. You got to go back to Johnny Football.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Oh, hey, boy. Johnny boy. Johnny was special, boy. Yeah, another Texas A. M. Johnny was special, bro. Yeah, he was special.

[Ocho Cinco]

So it's. We'll. We'll see. It'll be interesting to see when they go out to practice today. I mean, excuse me, today, tomorrow. What comes back? What type of reps did Shador get? Did he get ref with the ones? Did he get a rep or two with the ones? Did he get anything with the twos or was he back relegated to be in the fourth quarterback and getting one rep with the. With the Fords or no reps or just getting side work? That's going to be the tail that. That's going to tell us, Ocho.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Because what they talking and. And what's actually happening? We'll find out. Yeah, we'll find out and we'll see what they. How they play this thing out on Saturday when they play the game foreign.

[Jake Hofer]

I'm Jake Hofer and this is Back 40 a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Ocho Cinco]

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[Jake Hofer]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Sarah Spain]

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[Ocho Cinco]

All.

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