Best Of Truth After Dark: Kevin Gates, G Herbo, Joy Taylor, Shan Boodram, & More!

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Best Of Truth After Dark: Kevin Gates, G Herbo, Joy Taylor, Shan Boodram, & More!

Release Date: November 24, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe (iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media)

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Episode Overview

This "Best Of Truth After Dark" episode compiles highlights from dynamic, after-hours conversations with guests ranging from athletes like Kevin Gates and G Herbo to culture commentators Joy Taylor and intimacy expert Shan Boodram. Host Shannon Sharpe and a rotating cast of co-hosts and guests engage in wide-ranging, unfiltered discussions on modern dating, sex and relationships, gender roles, double standards, loyalty, communication, and what it really means to love, compromise, and grow.

With both humor and candor, the participants share personal stories, controversial opinions, and provocative questions that spark lively debates, punctuated by moments of vulnerability and introspective wisdom.

Note: Ads and non-content have been excluded. Timestamps (MM:SS) for key moments.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The “Dubai Offer” Debate & Extreme Proposals

• Topic: Would you endure a humiliating act for a life-changing amount of money?
• Participants joke about women being paid large sums for outrageous deeds in Dubai, sparking a debate on personal boundaries and the price of dignity.
• Female host asserts she wouldn't do degrading acts "for a million dollars" (02:19), underscoring her limit:

  “No, I don't think I could... I would be traumatized. Not for a million.” (02:09–02:19)

• Guests bounce around hypothetical offers, highlighting societal fascination with scandal and money versus ethics.

2. Age Gaps and Dating Preferences

• Topic: The acceptable age range in dating, & why women are gravitating toward younger men.
• Discussion reveals a trend: women in their 30s and late 30s are finding that “younger men… come with it” and show more intentionality (05:01).
• Female host playfully notes she would only show up with a much older man “if he’s got a plane,” and friends should “treat him real good, act like everything is normal.” (06:09–06:39)
• Conversation shifts to stereotypes and appeal of older men:

  “Older men have great stories.”
  “They're very confident… they appreciate you.”
  (06:43–07:07)

• Humorous bants about the physical realities (“I can't have sex with an old wrinkly penis. I'm so scared!”) (07:07–07:23)

3. Porn, Masturbation, and Sexual Energy (feat. Kevin Gates)

• Kevin Gates challenges societal taboos around masturbation and porn:

  "Have you ever watched porn and masturbated and celebrated another man's success?... You know that’s self mutilation?" (08:04–08:25)

• Gates shares that a mentor taught him about “sex transmutation”—funneling sexual energy into purpose and creativity instead of pleasure-seeking (08:29–09:23).
• He values “intellectual intercourse” and mental chemistry, likening great conversations to “mental safari” and “porn.” (09:51–10:05)

4. Gender Roles & Relationship Double Standards

• Topic: Do size and bedroom skills matter for women?
  • Host: “It does to a certain degree… if you just have a little thing…” (13:00–13:07)
  • Honest talk about sexual compatibility and how connection goes beyond just the physical (13:38–14:29).
• Why do men’s needs seem so "simple" and women’s so "expensive"?
  • Guest: “A man’s needs are free. A woman’s needs cost money.” (15:00)
  • Host suggests women are raised to get their needs met but not to meet a man’s needs (15:32–16:34).

5. Children, Age, and “Cooked” Women

• Topic: Stigma around women in their 30s with no kids.
  • Guest quips: “Most women who don’t got no kids in their mid-30s are cooked.” (18:34)
  • Host rebuts passionately:

    “Am I cooked or am I smart?... I'm so sorry that I didn't want to be another statistic, but I'm cooked? I think I'm very fucking smart, actually.” (19:17–20:33)

6. Gender, Cheating, and Loyalty (Paul Pierce Segment)

• Viral Take: “Men need to cheat on their women to find out if they really love them.” (41:50)
  • Guest and hosts unpack why cheating is often seen as a loyalty test, questioning if it proves anything other than insecurity or manipulation.
  • Host: “You're creating distrust in your relationship for no reason.” (46:11)
  • Pierce tries to clarify: “I don't respect the woman that will be okay with me cheating.” (47:47)
  • Conversation points out the contradiction between wanting loyalty and not respecting someone who tolerates cheating (48:26–49:30).

7. Racial Dynamics in Dating

• Discussion on why some Black men date white women (21:07–23:07):
  • Guest: “White women make themselves more available... They show up... they linger...” (22:24–22:42)
  • Host counters with the broader social context:

    “As soon as they don't get their way... you are an N word, hard er. And that's the truth...” (23:09–24:15)

  • Call for celebrating preference without denigrating Black women:

    “If you want to mess with a white woman and an Asian woman and this woman, go do that and leave us out of the conversation.” (35:39)

8. Honesty, Boundaries, and Respect

• “Give me the list” Dilemma:
  • Cam Newton’s controversial demand for his partner’s sexual history list is dissected (50:17–54:42).
  • Host: “I'm not gonna have my man in front of someone...that I know I used to mess with... I'm gonna tell him.” (53:29)
  • Guests debate whether it’s fair for women to be expected to give their list if men don’t reciprocate (55:20–56:37).
• On new partners and learning/changing routines:
  • Shan Boodram advocates humility:

    “Stop wishing for genies and mind readers… everyone is different… you want somebody who's humble and asks questions and is curious.” (36:45–38:00)

9. Compromise and Accountability in Relationships

• Co-host: “Men always have to do a little bit more compromising… swallow the pill a little bit more.” (25:05–25:46)
• Ongoing dialogue about who apologizes more and the importance of direct communication over ego (26:42–28:15).

10. Marrying "the Hoe" vs. the "Housewife"

• Superhead (Karrine Steffans) Clip:
  • Should men “marry the hoe” instead of cheating with them?
  • Guest: “Just because sex is cool... that don’t mean that’s gonna last forever. When they get down to like... bringing some substance to the table… that’s what men look for long term.” (30:02–31:46)

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Notable Quotes by Segment & Speaker

• On Transmuting Sexual Energy:
  • Kevin Gates [08:29]:

    “If you pleasure driven, you develop addictions. If you purpose driven, you develop riches. Not just wealth of the pocket, but of the heart and mind.”

• On Dating Outlets and Race:
  • Host [23:09]:

    "As soon as they don't get their way... you are an N word, hard er. And that's the truth..."

• On Women Being ‘Cooked’ Without Kids:
  • Host [19:17]:

    "Am I cooked or am I smart?... I'm so sorry that I didn't want to be another statistic, but I'm cooked? I think I'm very fucking smart, actually."

• On Cheating as a Test:
  • Host [46:11]:

    “You're creating distrust in your relationship for no reason. You are creating tests that don't need to be created.”

• On Compromise:
  • Co-host [25:46]:

    “I've always had to just kind of sorry. All right, yeah, let's go. Because I'm driving the ship…”

• On Learning Sexual Skills:
  • Shan Boodram [36:45]:

    “Stop wishing for genies and mind readers. I want someone who just knows what I like... Everyone is different... you want somebody who's humble and asks questions and is curious...”

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Notable/Memorable Moments with Timestamps

• [02:09] – “I would be traumatized. Not for a million.” — Female host debates the Dubai myth.
• [05:01] – “25 year old men are where it's at. ... treat you like you're a goddess.”
• [08:29] – Kevin Gates explains the concept of sex transmutation.
• [13:00] – Discussion: “Does size matter to women?”
• [18:34] – Guest jokes about mid-30s childless women being “cooked;” host’s passionate rebuttal.
• [21:07] – “If your woman is white, you could cheat.” The viral Paul Pierce clip is unpacked.
• [23:09] – Host clarifies dangers for Black men dating white women and preferences.
• [30:02] – Should men “marry the hoe”? Long-term substance vs. sexual excitement.
• [36:45] – Shan Boodram’s “stop wishing for mind readers” sexual communication advice.
• [41:50] – Paul Pierce’s viral “cheat to test her love” theory.
• [50:17] – Cam Newton’s “I want the list” relationship demand.

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Tone and Style

The episode is raw, unapologetically honest, and playful yet often poignant. There’s a seamless blend of candid banter, hard truths, and laughter—sometimes brash but always deeply rooted in real experiences and cultural context. Speakers bring streetwise humor, introspection, and a willingness to challenge both societal and personal norms.

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Final Thoughts

The “Best Of Truth After Dark” episode showcases the podcast’s unique chemistry: guests and hosts are comfortable bringing their real selves, wrestling with layered topics—sex, money, race, gender, and love—without shying from discomfort or complexity. The conversation offers plenty to think about (and plenty to laugh at), making it a compelling sampler for both new and returning listeners.

Transcript

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[Guest 1 (Male)]

How much? How much would you take to get to get on?

[Host (Female)]

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[Guest 1 (Male)]

It for like I don't know, 25, 000?

[Host (Female)]

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[Guest 1 (Male)]

Here, let me go.

[Host (Female)]

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[Guest 1 (Male)]

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[Host (Female)]

And what I'll do, I have to do just.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

No, just sit, right. Just lay down and you throw it.

[Host (Female)]

You put it on your mouth and everything. No, it's wet.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

It's wet, though.

[Host (Female)]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

A million. It's five. You can wash that off, go to shower. A million.

[Host (Female)]

I don't know.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

One million for a five minute shit. Wet, wet, wet.

[Host (Female)]

Is it in the mouth? Is it in the mouth?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

No, you just.

[Host (Female)]

It's not in the mouth. It's not in the mouth?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

No.

[Host (Female)]

Bob, if it's not in the mouth, is it.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

No, you close your mouth.

[Host (Female)]

Is it in the nose? You wear glasses and everything, Is it in the nose?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Listen, man, this is a million dollars. Stop making spec. Stop. Stop putting stipulations on this. You're getting a million dollars. Shut up.

[Host (Female)]

Five minutes.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

It's only going to take less than.

[Host (Female)]

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[Guest 1 (Male)]

It's diarrhea, though.

[Host (Female)]

O.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

A million.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

I don't know, tax free. I might take the.

[Host (Female)]

I might.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

All right, let me go to the bathroom. Watch this all. That's what I heard they doing in Dubai.

[Host (Female)]

They are doing that, but they're not getting a million.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

You got the offer.

[Host (Female)]

They're getting 50,000.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

What if you got.

[Host (Female)]

You got the offer for 50?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

No. Did you get an offer from Dubai?

[Host (Female)]

I've always got an offer from Dubai.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Let's keep it. Wh. She got an offer, y'.

[Host (Female)]

All.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

You done signed a contract? She done signed a contract.

[Host (Female)]

No, I have every offer was able to have and, baby, I haven't took any of that.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

So now when I meet girls, this is when I'm going be like, hey, have you been to Dubai?

[Host (Female)]

If they say yes, I never been.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

No, no, no. This is my thing. If I like, hey, you know, have you been to Dubai? She like, yeah, I've been to Dubai. I'm going know they got.

[Host (Female)]

They had to.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

What's the age limit? Age limit as far as youth to older. What's the youngest to the oldest? Like, what's your range?

[Host (Female)]

Tell myself right now, I would say, right, like right now, at my age, right now, Yeah, I would not date younger than 25, 26. Why is that?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Oh, because I thought she was going to be.

[Host (Female)]

I thought you would say, I thought.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

She was going to like 35 to 50.

[Host (Female)]

Me too.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

Oh, no, I mean, I don't. I don't think I could.

[Host (Female)]

I don't know.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

I'm not going to get up here and lie.

[Host (Female)]

Okay, Young, young men are very aggressive and they do not care how old I wait, but Joy, I have to ask you because this is a whole thing with women. 25 are really. They're saying, nah, you ain't about to.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

Have me out here on some. 25 is a grown ass.

[Host (Female)]

25 year old men are where it's at. All the older women. That's what I'm trying to say. The women that I've been talking to, like in their 30s, late 30s, they're like, yo, is our. Like these younger men, they come. They're intentional. They come with it. They're like not playing around. They want to. They date you. They like treat you like you're a goddess. They appreciate you, they talk life into you. Like I am hearing that these younger men from all these women, they are where it's at. I've never dated a younger man before. No, I've never wanted to. They're telling the truth at this point. They're talking about this, the truth after dark. They're telling the truth. This is what I'm hearing. And even. But I don't like, it's 20. I don't want to be clear here, because I'm not. I don't like. 25 is a grown man. It's a grown man. Okay, you're not, you're not about to.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

Have me on some bullshit.

[Host (Female)]

Oh, J. 25. The Internet be. No, 25 is grown. And the ones that have approached me, they are. They're like. I would say 25 to. I would say 25 to. I'd say 25 to like, probably, probably like 70. 70.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Steph Curry range.

[Host (Female)]

25 to 70 is a crazy range. Okay, but here's the thing about older men though. Okay, tell me. And to be clear, like, I date, I date within five years of my age range. Like, I don't. I'm just answering the question. If you see me pull up with a 70 year old, don't ask any fucking questions, okay? He's got a plane. I'm doing this for all of us. Don't ask no questions. You better, you better dap him up. What's up, bro?

[Guest 2 (Male)]

We get a bottle? Yeah, Very real nice.

[Host (Female)]

We gonna treat him real good, act like everything is normal.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Everything is normal.

[Host (Female)]

Absolutely. But you know, like, my dad is 77. What's your dad look like? So good. I mean, amazing. My dad is like tall, dark, handsome. He looks all like. Even the housekeepers look, you know what I like about older men. Older men have great stories. I like to talk. They got all the stories. They're very confident.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

They appreciate you. You know what I mean?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

They do have a show.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

They're very sweet.

[Host (Female)]

I can't have sex with an old wrinkly penis. I'm so scared. That's my only thing. I'm like, why do you think they're wrinkly? Well, I don't know. Are they? Aren't all penises wrinkly? I don't know.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

Go through the Rolodex maybe.

[Host (Female)]

I mean, at one point throughout the day, all penises are wrinkly. You're right. When they're soft. At the beginning, yeah, at the beginning.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

You'Re right in resting state, interesting state.

[Host (Female)]

But it's kind of like one big wrinkle. You're right. And they say older men don't even have sex like that. So, hey, that might be a good look.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

But I don't even. I don't really be having these kind of conversations with people because it's like I'm talking to, you know, most of the time when I used to. You not doing it to me right now, big brother. And there's no disrespect to you, but I just been through the wringer with it because they would take it and use it for clickbait.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

And I'm like, I'm actually just gaining knowledge right now.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

But have you ever masturbated and felt guilty and shameful afterwards?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Man.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

Have you ever watched porn and masturbated and celebrated another man's success? No. Cause like, I don't watch porn because I noticed my neuropath started changing. I used to, though.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

I don't think I've ever been into porn.

[Host (Female)]

Really?

[Guest 3 (Male)]

Oh, wow, that's beautiful. I was at one time, yeah, I used to be watching porn, talking about, man, that nigga killing that whole son she, you know, And I used to get. I used to sit there and masturbate and watch porn. I used to sneak and do it. Till one time this brother had told me, he say, you know that self mutilation? He say, you celebrating to another. You jacking off to another man's success. Oh, it's other ways to stimulate yourself mentally. And then he started telling me about sex transmutation, where you could take that sexual energy and channel it into your workouts, into your craft, into your music, into your. You were traveling, channel it into whatever it is that you focused on at the time. And that's when I was like, that's Crazy. Like if you pleasure driven, you develop addictions. If you purpose driven, you develop riches. And not just with wealth of the pocket, but of the heart and of the mind.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Yeah.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

Cause like I'm a freak for like new information. Like I love to be stimulated mentally, right. Like, I love conversations that leave me feeling refreshed.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Right.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

You ever had a conversation with somebody and I'm like, it's draining talking to you. It's draining in around you.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

And then you done had conversations where it stimulate you. It's like, it's like porn.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

Yes sir.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

It's like porn. You like, hold on, this is going crazy. I'm talking to her.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

It's a mental safari, man.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

I've had that. Yeah, I've had that with her.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

It's intellectual intercourse.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Like we've had filler conversations. So it's like, damn.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

And it's beautiful.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

It is beautiful.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

And that's the one.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

Intellectual intercourse is beautiful.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

So when you like when you have that with a female, that's like eternal, right?

[Guest 3 (Male)]

Or what?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

How does it.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

It depends on her spirit.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Like for me it depends because that don't come around. That don't happen a lot. That's going to happen like once every blue, blue moon to where it's going to be a. Because most of the time I'll have a conversation with somebody. I'm just sitting there just like it's sounding like yada, yada, yada.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

You know, sometimes, you know, sometimes we not protective of our energy in the way that we should be. Because sometime I say, excuse me, sometime I say I'm held responsible for the places that I place myself. But that's physically. Right. But I've been working with this other guy. You know what the fascia is? So we've been working on like releasing like certain traumas in your fascia, like. And we've been working on that. And he's told me something that was so beautiful. He said, the physical, the mental, the spiritual is all one system. If one thing's off, everything's off. And I said, wow. And it, it intrigued me to the point I was like, I'm not overprotective of myself. Where I place myself energetically and spiritually and psychologically, I need to start being more cognitive in these areas. Physically I know certain areas and certain places I'm not going to place myself, but it's certain place. I shouldn't even place myself energetically.

[Host (Female)]

Mm, I never thought of that.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

All spiritually, all psychologically. And I was like, you know what? It's not cause I feel like I'm better. It's cause I know I am.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

No, I know he did.

[Host (Female)]

Hold on.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Why you hang up?

[Host (Female)]

I accidentally hung up.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Oh, okay, okay, okay. They said, what's up? He tried to tell me. Hey, what up, son? That's Paul Pierce, the legend, man. I'm right here doing a podcast right now, working. I was about to text you, but you just called five more times like you insisted on talking.

[Host (Female)]

That.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

What's up? What's the question? You are on camera. Don't say nothing crazy, bro. Yeah, I told you I'm going to bring you out for sure. I got you. We can't say the date, cuz I'm being recorded right now. It's a surprise. Yeah, I got you. He want to be a rapper.

[Co-host (Male)]

So what?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

What he say? I'mma give you some of my back end. I'll give you a little something, man. I got a little something.

[Host (Female)]

So funny about his money.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

I got a little something something for you, son. I'm gonna call you when I'm done, man. I love you.

[Host (Female)]

All right.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

He's different, bro.

[Host (Female)]

Does size matter to women?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

You answer that now.

[Host (Female)]

I can answer. I would say it does to a certain degree. Like, if you just have a little thing, like, they're not gonna be able.

[Co-host (Male)]

To feel it.

[Host (Female)]

At Papa Giorgio 9.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

How they not gonna feel it? You went to the next question.

[Host (Female)]

What do you want to say? If it's this, like, very.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

What's equatable? Like, what's. What's that a word?

[Host (Female)]

Equatable. What equates?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Like, like, like. All right, so like, equatable, like, like 9, 10. Like what? What's what? What?

[Host (Female)]

I don't know about inches and things with these penis things. I can only say this. Like, I have had sex with a man and I'm like, oh, yes, this fits for me. This is me. And I've had sex with a man who I was dating. And I'm like, this penis is not for me. I could just tell like, it's not mine. Yeah, like, I could tell if it's mine or not.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

How long did you date him?

[Host (Female)]

We were dating for a year.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

How did it last so long?

[Host (Female)]

Like, he did other things that, you know, pleased me, like, gave me head and stuff. And I would come, you know, like, from that. And so that was great. So I enjoyed that. But it just wasn't feeling like anything, like, why y' all break up? I just wanted to move on. I wasn't feeling the connection. I didn't feel like it was A. It was deep connection or whatever.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

All right, fair.

[Host (Female)]

Okay, fair. So at Papa Giorgio 9, men have simple needs. Why do men struggle? Why do women struggle to meet them?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

That's a great question. I will. I don't know. I don't know why women struggle to meet a man's needs. Because a man's needs are free. A woman's needs cost money.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah, that's true.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Most of them. I mean, you can talk about. I need love and affection, all that. No, no, we know what you need. It costs money, all that. That's what the world we live in. If he can't. It's my lifestyle. A man ain't never shooting nothing like that. Baby, rub my neck, rub my back. That don't cost nothing. Make me some food. As a matter of fact, I'll pay for the food for you to make. Don't cost nothing. For a woman to please a man. It costs money for a man to please a woman.

[Host (Female)]

You want to know what else I'll say? And I'll make it quick. I feel like men were raised on how to treat a woman well, and women were raised how to treat a woman well.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

By who?

[Host (Female)]

By their mothers, you know, or whoever was around. Like, it's all about, like, you need to do this for you. Open the door, do this. And women were treated on how to get what they need from a man. They were never. They were never. They were never taught. Women are not taught to do these things for men. Now, other cultures, which is what you would say, an American woman, or even other cultures, like my mom's Persian, I seen that they're very submissive. You have to do all this. But other. But most American culture, people, they are not taught to, especially black women. Don't kill me. But I feel like a lot of women were raised by independent mothers. So for them, they wanted to protect their child, and they wanted their child not to be in their position. So in order to protect their child, it was like, look, this is what you need from a man. And if he's not doing this, this, and this, and this, you not supposed to mess with him. And a man was taught how to give the needs to a woman. You're supposed to open her door. You're supposed to make sure you have this. Have enough money to take care of her, take her on a date, do this. So women were not taught that. A lot of women, period. And that's just what I think. Don't shoot me and don't kill me off of that 1. Eat 1. B. Should a man with no kids at age 38, date a woman with kids or solely date women with no kids.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

If you're 38, I have to just kind of look at your financial situation. Because Most men at 38 with no kids in a comfortable financial situation. It's going to take a younger woman around the age of 26 that got no kids, that, like, he can probably, like, have some kids with and grow some with, I think.

[Host (Female)]

What if she's 26 and has kids, though?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Well, if he 38 ain't got no kids, he could just find somebody that's 26 with them kids.

[Host (Female)]

Okay, what if he doesn't want to date someone that's 12 years younger than him because it's not relatable and he actually wants a woman of his age or close to his age? Have you ever thought of that?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Why would he do that?

[Host (Female)]

Why wouldn't he do that? Why wouldn't someone want to relate to someone at 26? They don't even know how to put on lotion on their and clean their assholes. What do you mean? What if someone doesn't want to be dating someone in their 20s?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Should a 38 are with no kids date? What's the age? Should he date?

[Host (Female)]

He didn't ask about what the age.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

He'S going to be. If he's Talking to somebody 33 and up, they gonna have kids, and he ain't got no kids. So now I'm gonna just put myself in a situation where I dating you and I'm with you, and I'll just put myself into a family situation.

[Host (Female)]

I don't have kids and I'm in my 30s. My early, early 30s. So not every question. Yeah, so there's women that are in their 30s that don't have children a lot, because women are now statistically having more children in their 40s. It's a statistic.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

So most women who don't got no kids in their mid-30s are cooked. I'm not saying that's you.

[Host (Female)]

Well, I'm almost in my mid-30s.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Like, no. Like, clearly there's men out there that I see on the messages that want to have kids with you and do all that with you. I get it. But like, most women in that situation that's so crazy, they down bad.

[Host (Female)]

That's not true. And you know what? I'm gonna say this, and I'm done. And I'm done with the podcast. I'm gonna say that I'm 34. I'm not in my mid-30s, but next year I will be mid-30s, I guess. And, you know, I've had plenty of opportunities to have children with men who wanted me to have their children. Am I cooked or am I smart? Because I would have been somebody's baby mama, because that wasn't a connection. A lot of these women with children are baby mothers, and they're not wives. Okay? So I can have a baby. Having a baby is easy. I'm very fertile, like a Latina. I'm fertile as hell. And I can have a baby any moment right now. And I've been in the situation where I could have had that. So am I cooked or am I smart? Because right now, I could have been here with two children, with a man that I don't even want to be with. I could be married. I know plenty of people who are married to people they don't even fuck with just to say that they have a child and they have a husband. I'm so sorry that I didn't want to be another fucking statistic, but I'm cooked. I think I'm very fucking smart, actually. I think that I'm very smart that I'm not spending my time mothering a child by a man that I don't even want to be with, not being in the same household as that man, because every man I ever been with, I did not want to be with him because I was not at the level of maturity that I am now. I'm not at the mental maturity that I am now. And I have not evolved to attract that certain type of partner. I've done the work, and unfortunately, I've been through a lot of shit in my life that made my journey a little slower than most, but I'm the one, never the two. Are you falling asleep on my conversation?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

It's taking so long for the answer.

[Host (Female)]

Fuck you. You are crazy. You're telling me I'm taking long. Do you know how long you take to say something?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Fall asleep.

[Host (Female)]

This is fucked up. I'm getting off of this podcast. Thank you, guys. You started the movement in the hashtag of black men don't cheat.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

And so that's what I'm talking about. We. We don't.

[Host (Female)]

So let's get into this. And then. And then you said something that I. That I love. You said, but if your woman is white, you could cheat.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

Yeah.

[Host (Female)]

So what does that mean? Let's get into why is if they're white, you could cheat?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Because as a white woman, you shouldn't be in a black man business like that.

[Host (Female)]

Oh, come on now.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Hold on, period. But what if y' all together? They came in, you just together. Like, they can't be like, that's the relationship. Like, hold on, hold on. If this my girl and she a white lady, she can't go through your phone. She can't ask you, why are you doing that? You trying. She really saying you don't trust me and I'm a black man. What other reason why do you have not to trust me other than I'm black?

[Host (Female)]

Oh, shit. Okay, okay, wait a minute. So.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

So would that be the reason why black men date white women more? No, I saw that.

[Host (Female)]

You saw his clip? Because I wanted to ask what was your thoughts?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

What you think? Why do. Like now? Why. The question was more like athletes.

[Host (Female)]

I asked him about the athletes, but in general.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

General.

[Host (Female)]

Why do black men date white women, in your opinion? Just be honest. Is it because they're more easy? And I say, how you. They.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

How you gonna say they more easy?

[Host (Female)]

I'm asking. I say quote, unquote.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

It's a lot of different reasons.

[Host (Female)]

Okay.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

I think this is just my opinion, right? No doubt. These just, like, my observations and the things that I see. White women make themselves more available in what ways? They be around. They show up. They know where the athletes gonna be at.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

Right.

[Host (Female)]

I have heard.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

And then with the athletes and all that, like, you got to keep in mind, it's like tears to the. Like college and then like the. The professional and like, that. They. They hang around, they linger. They'll watch you strike out all night, and it don't affect your chances with them or nothing. They. They want to be down. So they make themselves more available to the shit as opposed to playing hard to get. Act like you don't know this motherfucker.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

They be knowing.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

They know the stats.

[Host (Female)]

But I'm gonna say this, and I really want everyone to hear me when I say this right now, though. Listen to this, though. I want black men to learn and really do better. Because one thing about these white women is as soon as they don't get their way or something rubs them the wrong way, you are a N word, hard er. And that's the truth. You'll be that anyway, but you really gonna be that. And they gonna take you court and take everything you have. Because unfortunately, although black women are powerful in our feminine and are divine, just how we are as women, we're so powerful. But white women are powerful in America. And when they say something, it's going to make a difference in the community, unfortunately. And y' all keep messing with These white women. But I'm. I haven't even seen Paul with a white woman. I'm just saying black men do this, and then when they're coming down and they have their downfall with these women, they want to run to the black women for support. And it's like, no, at the end of the day, black women are the most loyal statistically, to their own men. And people could say, I'm not black or whatever it is, but I date black men. And also, to your point, black men don't cheat. Every black man I've been with have cheated.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

That sounds like a personal problem.

[Host (Female)]

How was that my problem?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

What are you doing that's making these men cheat on you?

[Host (Female)]

So this is where I probably don't.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Let him talk and get all angry and. And be accusing them of being with white women. Yeah. You projected on me, and I just got here. I'm a guest. I could definitely see why. Cheating on you. Yeah. Your imagination run.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

Wow. So.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Wow that part.

[Host (Female)]

No, no, no. Because I saw you say that. When people cheat, they just cheat. And it doesn't matter. It doesn't make you less as a woman or a man, because people.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

People just be liking the. It's a fuck.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

They be fucking.

[Host (Female)]

What have you given up in a relationship?

[Guest 3 (Male)]

Oh, man.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

So much.

[Host (Female)]

Do you feel the difference between compromise. Do you feel like there's a difference between compromise and sacrifice?

[Co-host (Male)]

I think men always have to do a little bit more. Honestly, that's my honest opinion. Men always have to do a little bit more compromising.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

A little bit more.

[Host (Female)]

And why?

[Co-host (Male)]

And it's not by a lot. It's not like, oh, my God. But it's a little bit more. We got to swallow the pill a little bit more than you guys explain.

[Host (Female)]

Expand.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Nah, we. I mean, he's just.

[Host (Female)]

True.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

It's just a little bit more.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

I.

[Co-host (Male)]

Okay.

[Host (Female)]

I want to hear why.

[Co-host (Male)]

Okay.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Because we got more ego, too. Like. Yes. That, you know, being the. I think the strength we. The king.

[Co-host (Male)]

Yes. I agreed 100%. I think the strength is. Is in that I feel like, you know, I've been able to be very apologetic and accountable, and I feel like a lot of times, the majority of the times my partner has not been, you know, even over something small.

[Host (Female)]

Right.

[Co-host (Male)]

Like, I've done something small, and I'm like, look, I want to apologize to you because I kind of bad day. And I can do that. Right. It's easy for me because I want you to know that you're not the issue. I'm going through something And I allowed that to hang on to you, and I apologize. I've been in situations where that can linger for days, four or five days, and now I'm sorry. Effing feeling weird because you. You're having an issue, but you don't know how to communicate that issue to me. And so I got to swallow more pride than you. I got to. I got to. And it's because you don't want to maybe, or I don't know. I'm speaking about a multitude of situations, but the consensus I've gotten is I've always had to just kind of sorry. All right, yeah, let's go. Because I'm driving the ship. We got to go where I have to go because I'm making the money.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

Right.

[Co-host (Male)]

We have to go to this thing. We have to go to this event. I can't go to this event, and you have a problem. So I need to clear the problem and make sure that we're straight before we go in here, because I can't have any issues in here. Right. I don't think that, you know, on the other foot, it's. It's. It's the same. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it.

[Host (Female)]

Do you think that women have a tough time being accountable and apologizing, period? Yes.

[Co-host (Male)]

Yeah, I think everyone does. I think I'm going to say for me, I think I'm actually a lot better than, you know, some people that I know in terms of just apologizing and owning stuff up and, you know, just trying to get through it, because I've been through so much, and I actually have seen the benefits of it. And I feel like a lot of people who don't do it, so they don't see the benefits of it, but once you do, you're like, oh, if I just do this, we're good.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Male)]

But if I sit up here and I can't speak what's on my mind and I'm mad for the next week, I'm ruining my quality of life. I'm wasting my time also. I'm wasting my time because I love you, you love me. We want the same stuff. Why would we spend these four days, four hours being mad? And I'm not saying every issue can be fixed like that. Oh, you just want me to blah, blah. It's like, no, but if I'm hearing what you're saying, I'm understanding it. I'm on your side. I'm not against you. I want to hear what you have to say. I want you to say what you have to say. Now what are we gonna do? Right? What are we gonna do now? Like, let's not. So that's a big thing for me when it comes to partners. I can't do the child just to. You know, that's very hard for me. Very hard for me to, like, deal because I'm like, I already got enough on my plate. My brain's gonna explode. The amount of stuff that are. That's in it all the time. So it's like, I need you to. And I've. You know, it's. It's not like a. It's not a horrible thing to have to deal with, but it's an annoyance. It can be sometimes annoying, but it's. You know, you take the crooked with the straights in life, again, that goes back to. There's stuff I don't like, but I've yet to be in a situation where it doesn't exist, which I'm fine with. But it is something that can be agitating sometimes.

[Host (Female)]

So Corinne Steffens, superhead, she went on.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

That'S crazy to have that type of nickname, right?

[Host (Female)]

So she went on, actually, one of my friends podcast, and she has a clip that's going viral and she said, marry the hoe. Meaning, like, men should marry whores because they really want to be with, but instead they feel like they are supposed to be with, like the good girl, the virgin, the girl who's like composed and put together, but then they cheat on her with the. So she's like, just marry the. And stop playing around acting like whs.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Don't get cheated on either. Come on now. Is she married?

[Host (Female)]

No.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

There we go. Why. Why she not married then? Because she just trying to promote that. You know what? I remember her from the early 2000s, you know, writing a book or something or getting around.

[Host (Female)]

You wrote like a. Tell all of all the men she had sex with or whatever, trying to.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Get back relevant and everything, man. Nobody messing with her, man. Come on, man.

[Host (Female)]

And Lil Wayne. And you know what's so crazy that she says this? She was in a relationship whether I don't know if she was married or not, but she said that no matter what relationship that she was in, married or not, if Lil Wayne calls, she's leaving and she's gonna go suck him, girl. Who wants that? I'm so confused. That's why men don't want to marry a hoe. Because once a hoe, always a hoe, baby. And you gonna turn around and go suck the next person and that's crazy.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Yeah, she. She trying to spark some interest, but that ain't it. You know, she need to.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

She.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

She cooked well.

[Host (Female)]

She was saying that what a hoe will give you is better than what like a housewife would give you.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

I will tell you this about, like, women who are considered hoes and men that like them, men like that for just so long, you know what I'm saying? But you know, like, when you look at the longevity of somebody, you want somebody that is more than that. Like, come on now, like, just because sex is cool and you doing all these things that a man like that don't mean, that's gonna last forever. Like when they get down to like sitting around and really bringing some substance to the table and really bringing like some maturity, bringing like some value to the table outside of sex. What is that?

[Host (Female)]

Right.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

You know what I'm saying? And that's what men really look for long term. And that's always gonna outweigh long run than the sex.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

I'm telling you. Because the sex gonna wear out eventually, you know, and he gonna be looking at other girls sexually.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

You know, but then all these other things that you bring that got like.

[Host (Female)]

Some substance to it, can't be replaced so easily.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Yeah, it's gonna last a little. It's gonna last way longer. It's like, come on, man, like.

[Host (Female)]

Cause sex is everywhere, you know what I mean?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

And she could get it. You can see it. You could.

[Host (Female)]

You could pay for it. You could see it, you could get it, you can run up on it.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

It's like the easiest thing, but like a real quick quality in a woman, like great qualities in a woman is hard to come by. You know, someone that you look at just like, man, I can just see her really teaching kids this, or I can see her, you know, really expanding on what I got, or me expanding on what she got.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

You know, it's bigger than that. And that's why we are brainwashed in society to look at females sexually and be like, that's the one. And too many women are sexualized and man go for that. Instead of really looking at the substance of a woman in the long run and being with that long term.

[Host (Female)]

That makes sense. And it's funny you say that because a part of what she was saying was like, well, this girl can bring this and do this, but is she gonna wake up and twist it and turn it and every single day I'm horny, I'm doing this. And it's like, damn, like, and what if Your partner is not feeling that. Are you gonna need that to where you gotta go get it from someone else? Like, if everything is driven off of sex, it's not going to have real longevity in a relationship. And that's just the truth.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Yeah, it's. I mean, I get what she trying to say, because relationships. And I said this some episodes ago. I feel like do be based on sex in a lot of ways. Because if I'm with you and you find out I have sex with another person, it could be over.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah, exactly.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Like, damn, you didn't look at everything else I brought to the table. The intangibles, the substance, like that just go out the window.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Because of a.

[Host (Female)]

A mishap, because of a mistake.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Well, because of. Just like. Sex is just like, it's in our mind. It's like, how do I even explain or word this? You know, it's a beautiful thing when done with the person that you really feeling.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

You know what I'm saying? But if it's just like casually done and just because you just a horny bastard and like she being a hoe, it's just like, damn, why did I risk all other things for that? But we're sometimes as men and women, weak individuals.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

You have mistakes because of sex and that. It's like a drug.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

You know what I'm saying? It's like people just want that quick fix, instant high, real quick. Because it feels good at the moment. But then something then like a lot of times you see people regret it.

[Host (Female)]

You feel miserable after when you get caught. All I see on the Internet is black men downing black women every day. In our comments, it's way more men. I would assume when I started this journey that it would be women hating on women. Every bad negative comment about me is mainly from a man. I rarely see a woman comment negative. And I didn't know men were so catty like that and so quick to want to put a black woman down. Like she's trash. She's this, she's that. She's like the most horrible things you can think of. And I'm like, who raised y'? All? Because I come from a generation and my dad and how I was taught. Like, I never see my dad talk down on a woman like that. Even if he can't stand this motherfucker, he's not going to sit in my face and pillow talk about another woman or bring her down. He probably did it behind in his own room like this bitch, you know? But it was never that. And I feel like black women, all I see on the Internet is how white women are better. American, non American women are better. This and that are better, better, better. And it's like, have your preference, but don't bring us down while you're doing it. If you want to be with a woman that's not American or not white, do that, but stop referencing it to a black woman. Because when black women get with white men, they're not talking about black men are trash. They're just loving and living their life with this white man, period. And it's like, you don't have to sit here and down the other race because you don't want to fuck with them. You don't have to do that. At the end of the day, if you want to mess with a white woman and an Asian woman and this woman, go do that and leave us out of the conversation. Period, point blank. And I think that that's what the women are frustrated about. And if we have an opinion on this, we're aggressive. See, she has too much of opinion. That's why they don't like you. That's because you talk too much.

[Co-host (Male)]

You're loud.

[Host (Female)]

Okay. I remember maybe like a year ago, I was like, I said to my husband, I was like, I want to give you head tonight. Like, it's the first time, like, we've never done this before. And I want you to teach me. Like you're teaching a master class, like, step by step. And it was so crazy because in the end I was like, I don't do any of those things in my routine. Like, how long has it been that I've been doing things A little too less. Yeah, I mean, it works. You get to the same end function. But like, if he re taught me and guided me because his body's changed, you know, his sensations has changed, his taste has changed. Like, what turns out. And that could be sexy too. Like, that's a turn on. Like telling me what to do, when to do it. That's a turn on. Yeah. That you're open to it. Well, if you're open for whoever likes that. But still, that's good. And like you said, I think a lot of people, the ego is involved. So you're like, I don't want to ask those questions because I feel like I should know what I'm doing or I already know what I'm doing, but it's like, no. And I think that even works for a new partner. Like, teach me what you like. Because everyone is different and it goes against what Most people want in a partner in the beginning. Most people, which I tell people all the time, stop wishing for genies and mind readers. I want someone who just knows what I like. I want somebody who just understands me. I want somebody who just intuitively knows how I'm feeling. Sometimes you're not going to know how you feel. So having somebody who makes assumptions when you haven't figured things out is not necessarily the best formula for growth. And maybe they can guess it right a few of the times, but things are going to change. So you want somebody who's humble and ask questions and is curious and is open and is down to explore, down to challenge their own humanity, down to say no. Like, who was clear about their boundaries and could revisit them later. There's been many things in my relationship that my partner has turned down or I have turned down that we have circled back on months later. Let's say you're in a relationship and your girl gets a lot of requests from just random men or, like, people, and they're like, hey, you're beautiful. Let me send you a cash app. Let me pay for your nails. Let me cash app you. Instagram. Oh, here's my cash app. Is that foul?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

No, Run that, homie. I need 20% of that, baby. How much? He sent you 100. I need a dub. He sent you 500. Okay, that's gonna cost you 100. You could run that to me. So if you feel comfortable accepting money from guys, give me some, and then we good with it so I can feel comfortable.

[Host (Female)]

So I' ma say this. I was in a relationship.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

I'm good with that. We making money.

[Host (Female)]

I'm good with that.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

We making cheap.

[Host (Female)]

So listen, I was it.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Don't go past that. I'm good.

[Host (Female)]

So this is. That's the thing. So I was in a relationship one time, and I remember I was at South Beverly Grill, sitting at the bar, and there was a. Like, a guy sitting next to me, right? And I'm on the phone with my dude, da, da, da. And he's like, hey. Telling the. The bartender because I'm at the bar, he's like, hey, I want to pay for her meal. So he overheard that. He's like, what? Like, he wants to pay for your meal? And I was like, yeah, I guess. And I'm like, no, no, you don't have to do that. And the dude was pissed because he was like, I would never. I didn't accept it. I was on the phone with him, but I was like, I would never. He's like, if you accepted that, that would be so disrespectful to our relationship. Because a man doesn't just stop at buying you a meal, then he's gonna ask your number this and that. And now it looks like I'm not taking care of you as a man and I'm not doing my job. Like, I'll pay for this whole meal right now, send you the money. You know, you don't have to, like, work for nothing or I need nothing. So why would you accept that? So, like, what is your thoughts on that? Like, if your girl was at a bar and a random man was like, oh, let me pay for her meal right there, that's cool with you too?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Or good with that?

[Host (Female)]

You're good with that?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Okay, yeah, like, this my thing.

[Host (Female)]

Okay.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Like, little trick, trick, hello. You know what I'm saying? But if you gonna go past that, the line crossed where you now it's like, listen, you offered to pay for my meal. I accepted it. That don't give you the open door to have a conversation with you. I appreciate you, bro, but I have a man, so I thank you.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Now I gotta go.

[Host (Female)]

Now, is it the same for if you're at a bar and the man sends you a drink? Can she drink that drink? Oh, hey, he sent you a drink from across the bar. Here you go.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

I'm not really into that because I don't know what's in that drink. I need to see the report, you know what I'm saying? I don't know if he, you know, put the whoop whop in it, you know what I'm saying? I'm not a fan of drinks being sent to me. Like, if I didn't see him poor, you know what I'm saying?

[Host (Female)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Unless I know the person, like, somebody I don't know, they sending you a drink. Come on, bro. That's like, you're not even. You playing. Like, come on. You playing around with me. No, no. You might do some foul shit. No, I'm not doing that. That's not. That's not cool. You gotta. You gotta. You gotta, like, be aware of your surroundings. You gotta be smart out here. Like, dude, want to buy you a drink? Okay. Good luck. All right. I got a dude, I got a girl. The girl. Like, I got girls offer me drinks. Like, all right, cool. Good. Look. Hey, Toast. Hey, what's your name? All right, yeah, that's cool. I got a girl. But, you know, I appreciate it. I know, you know, whatever. All right, I'm over Here now I'mma move though. I'mma move around, you know what I'm saying? I'm not going to sit in the same spot either if they doing that. Nah. But it's hard for somebody to do that for me. That's got to be in a restaurant if we in another spot, you know, it's hard. Like, you ain't just buying me, you buy. Oh, like most of the people buy me drinks is fans.

[Host (Female)]

So right now, Paul is going viral because he said, and I quote, that men need to cheat on their women to find out if they really love them.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

They need to cheat. Like, as in. Cause cheat means deceive, right? So you need to go outside. Like there's open relationship where your girl is very much aware you're gonna have other women. Right? But why cheat? Why not just say, right now we're still dating, but I'm gonna explore other women? That to me, sounds like manipulation.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

It is sound like manipulation, to be honest. But like how, like say a man in my position say, like, I meet a girl, I know her, she know who I am, she understand my background and all of this. How do I find out if she truly loves me for me?

[Guest 2 (Male)]

But how do you find out if you truly love her? By cheating on her. What is that?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

You know what? That was the only thing I could come up with. And I know there's more things, but cheating people, it's such a broad line, a thin line into cheating too. Cause people automatically think sex. No.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

Right.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

It don't have to be a sexual encounter. Like, just. I don't know if it'll be intentional, but unintentional. Like, damn.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

But let me give you some real talk. Only people that love you for you is God, dogs, and your mama. Like, that's just real talk. You became who you are. Everyone that's attached to you, like, that's your essence, you know? You know, so you have to. You almost just have to accept that to a certain degree, you're not really gonna know who's there for you unless you got into a position where you're really down and out. Let's say you lose it all. And then you have no money, no fame. That's the only way you're gonna know if a person's really about you. But at the same time, I mean, you are who you are. Like, everybody's working to attract, like girls go to the gym to look cute because they want the best of the best. So it's almost like you would have. You're never gonna know that Just God, dog, stand your mama, huh?

[Host (Female)]

And you know what else it is?

[Guest 2 (Male)]

Yeah.

[Host (Female)]

You have to go through something, I think, too. Tell a woman the truth and let her truly see who you are.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

Right?

[Host (Female)]

That's how you know if anyone loves you. When you can see me for the person that I am.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Maybe not cheat. Maybe if I, like, lose my legs.

[Host (Female)]

Maybe if you lose your money and you broke. Or maybe if you ask her, maybe if you call her and say, babe, I don't got it this month. Can you help me pay my bills? How about that? Like, you know, not everything has to be attached to. I mean, if she can't afford it.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

She out of here.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

So. You know, it's interesting that I hear that often from men who are extremely successful. Is that a concern of yours? Like, do you feel like everyone around you just wants to be around you because of who you are? Because you have money, because you have status?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Yeah. Yeah. That's the feeling.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

Does that bother you?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

I think you just grow in it. And you just like, damn, you always keep a. You just always feel like you're looking over your shoulder. You always. It messes with your trust, right? You know, and it's like, damn, you might be sitting there one day and just be like, man, you know, I'm ready to be off.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

But you know what, though? I like what you said. You gave a great example. Be honest and see what she does with your honesty, right? Because you gotta, for real love last in love. If you wanna go to the end of. If that's the position that you're at, you want her to know who you are. You can't act every single day. You can act in the beginning. Everybody shows up as an actor for, like, the first 30, 60 days, but eventually you gotta take the wig off, you gotta take the makeup off. It gets real. Is that person still gonna love you? So what I would say, a person in your position, be vulnerable and see what happens with it. I mean, it's gonna be a risk. But I think anyone that you could be completely honest with, and if they accept you for who you are, okay, that's that number one. Or if they say, you know what? I respect that you need other women, but I'm not about that life. So I'm gonna go. And if I'm available when you come back, so be it. But I'm not tripping. I'm not gonna be on your list because you paw Pierce, like, you know what I'm saying? If you like me, that means other men like me. So you just Better hope while you're playing, I'm available when you done, you know, 100%.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

And like you said, you said, go ahead.

[Host (Female)]

Go ahead.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

You said, be honest. What about tell a lie and see how they react?

[Host (Female)]

Why would she know?

[Guest 2 (Male)]

What's the lie, though?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

No. All right, listen. She said be honest, be vulnerable, right? But what if you tell a lie so I don't go out and cheat, but then I just go and tell her I cheated on her, a lie about it, and just to see, boom.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

How she react, I think, no, okay, that could be a test. And men do that.

[Host (Female)]

If they do that, that is the stupidest thing. You're creating distrust in your relationship for no reason. You are creating tests that don't need to be created. Like I said, God will create tests for you. In a relationship, your representative can only stay within the relationship for the first three months. After that, your representative and who you're pretending to be and trying to show up as the perfect woman or man is going to go away, and people are going to have to start seeing you for who you are and understand you might be Paul Pierce. But sometimes for women, being with a celebrity is very difficult. It takes away a lot from them, you know, and who they are as a person. And you're at the forefront of the life. And as a woman, that can be difficult. So there is a lot of tests, especially being with a man of your stature, that a woman probably has to face. Why are you trying to create distrust in a relationship that you don't need to do?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

No, I'm trying to create trust by lying.

[Host (Female)]

You're being selfish. You're creating something for you, but you're causing chaos for the other person. So you're being selfish, and you're not reciprocating what you want. You're. You're. How does she trust you? You're a celebrity with money. Women are throwing themselves at you all day. So you're so worried about creating trust for you that you're taking it away from your relationship, and it's just silly.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

Well, let me jump in. Let me jump in.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Go ahead.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

I can see you're very passionate, and I see both perspectives. Not to defend him, but to explain him.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah, he's.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

He's. You know, when you are. First of all, you're part of the 1%. So his life is the 1%. You know, when you're a basketball player, women are constantly coming up to you all his life. Like you probably was basketball player in high school. Right. So before I go any further, let Me ask you this question. How do.

[Host (Female)]

Do.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

Do you respect a woman that will be okay with you cheating?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

No, I don't respect the woman that will be okay with me cheating.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

Okay, so. Okay, so that's. So that's the point. And that's why I understand why he wants to do the test. Because in his mindset, which I appreciate, he wants to see, okay, if I tell her I'm sleeping with other women and she does nothing, I know clearly she wants to be with me, because what I can provide. But if I tell her and she's out, like, nah, I mean, I know who you are. I respect who you are, but I respect myself more than I respect who you are. I gotta keep it moving. So you're right. It's not a good lie. But he's just trying to weed out all the women because there's so many women who will not give a fuck.

[Host (Female)]

Well, you're wrong at what you're saying, because he's actually trying to say that if you cheat and stay, you love me.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

No, no, no. He didn't say.

[Host (Female)]

He said that on his clip. That's a verbal what he said.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

Okay, then he's coming up right now. He just said he. Okay, that's two different answers. Cause you told me if she cheats and she accepts it, you wouldn't respect her.

[Host (Female)]

That's why he's contradicting himself.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

Okay, so which one is. So which one is. The truth is. Truth at the dark. Paul, we don't trust because you done just. Cause now I gotta go back and defend her because that's two different answers. So what is the honest truth? Would you respect a woman if you cheated and she stayed with you? Or would you respect her more if she left you?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Ooh, I love her. No, that's a good question. No, I want. I don't. Would I respect her? Wait, say that again.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

Okay, so you cheat on her, you tell her, okay. And she's like, you know what? Don't let it happen again. And forgives you easily. Or you cheat on her, you tell her, and she's like, I'm out. Like, that was not our agreement. I already told you what I was on. And she leaves. Which one?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

I'd rather be out.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

You'd rather her be out?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Yeah. Cause now. Let me. It's how she go out, though. If she go out the door, It's a certain way. You gotta go out the door.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

How you gotta go out the door.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

What does it mean, how you go out the door? You gotta be tears. You Gotta be mad and sad. You can't.

[Guest 2 (Male)]

Oh, she has to cry.

[Host (Female)]

So what happened to your clip that's going viral today on Hollywood Unlock all the Blocks where you said in order to see if a woman loves you, you have to cheat on her, and if she stays, she loves you. So where is that coming in with this whole scenario? Because it doesn't really make sense now.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Well, well, they going, it's going to be a. It's going to be a breakup and a get back.

[Host (Female)]

Okay, okay. So you want to put. You want to make a woman struggle for love, basically.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

I mean, how else a woman going to go through it?

[Guest 2 (Male)]

Well, you know.

[Host (Female)]

Cam Newton, let me make sure I do not misquote him. He said that he needs the list of his girls, partners that she slept with, period. The names. And he said he needs the names because he wants to know who got one up on him. And he doesn't want to walk into the place with his girl. And he's like, yeah, she bad. She this. You want some juice, babe? He said, that is the juice, babe. Lying everything. And he was like, I don't want to be in front of a man who I know. Like, you had that and now I'm kikiing with a man. And you was with my girl. And he was like, it's just about me having that transparency and knowing, so I could move accordingly. And then his girl came out and was just like, I'm so glad I gave him my whole list. I feel relieved. You know, she's tweeted that or put it somewhere. So, yeah, that was his thing. And he was like. And there's a lot of people that are like, all right, cool, I could work with that. And he said, and then if it's someone, like, that was my teammate, you know, like, that was someone I see every day. Like, I'm not, I'm not. I might not be able to deal with that. He said, but if it's someone cool, cool, you know? But yeah, he said, I need that list.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Yeah, I mean, I get it, you know, and that's. It's. For me, it's a double edged sword because it's like, damn, do I really want to know or do I. Like, I get it, I get it. Like, I completely get it. You know what I'm saying? I was in a situation to where I was talking to this girl. I was dating this girl, right? And we went out a couple times. And then it was like, I remember we had dinner, we sat down and she was like, yeah, my ex Is whoopty.

[Guest 3 (Male)]

Whoops.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

And I was like, what? Like I currently kick it with him like from time to time. Like his number. Like we just kicked it. Like, why wouldn't you say nothing at the beginning? Yeah, like you know that I kick it with a dude.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Like so I get it, you know what I'm saying? So like for me, I was like, I'm not talking to you.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

No more. You know, I'm good on that. Cause I don't move like that. Like if it's a dude I'm kicking it with and I know you his ex. I'm not moving like that.

[Host (Female)]

Like that. Yeah, facts, you know.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

So like I get where Cam is coming from with that. Because those type of situations can come about and I'm not mad at that, you know, Cuz like I've been in situations or with girls that I was committed to, to where I asked, like, who else? You know? Woo, woo, woo. And you could tell me the truth or you could lie, whatever. I'm a ass, you know what I'm saying? But it's going to show anyway eventually. But like not my. Somebody I kick it with. Like you should have the type of like, you know, like you should be with somebody. Be like, like you shouldn't even want to talk to me if you know.

[Host (Female)]

Exactly. That's weird. That's on her. You know what I'm saying?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

That's on you. Like, why are you talking to me like I'm not the get back dude?

[Host (Female)]

Yeah, you trying to get back on some stuff?

[Guest 1 (Male)]

No, but if we trying to get serious, like that's not gonna work. That's not gonna work.

[Host (Female)]

And that's true. I feel like the whole list or whatever the names are to me, I'm like, not against it, but I also feel like it's for me more of a thing of like respect. Like, look, I'm not gonna have my man in front of someone shake a hand boo up with someone that I know I used to mess with. I'm gonna tell him, like, yo, we had a situation going on. I'm just letting you know, like that's more of the thing. Like I'll give a list if it's needed. But I think that the bigger thing is like, I'm not gonna let my man feel like he's out of control and like not respected or like someone feels like they got a one up. I never want anyone to feel like they got a one up on my man. Because that's a reflection of me. I'm A reflection of him. Like, I don't want that feeling, and I don't want that for me. Like, I don't want to be out with my man and this girl, like, yeah, girl, that's my. Like, I'm gonna feel crazy. And if I'm kikiing with you and I'm cool, like, that makes me uncomfortable. And I would never want my man to feel that same way.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

So you just gonna tell them right off the gate, like, these niggas, like, I will, like, even say your list probably crazy.

[Host (Female)]

It's not. The disrespect is, like, hey, out of control here.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

I'm gonna send you. I'm gonna fax you these because I don't want you to say no.

[Host (Female)]

Actually, my list is not crazy. Thank you.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Her list, crazy.

[Host (Female)]

No, it's not. And I honestly haven't. No, my list is small. Like, I can count my list on my hands. Like, I don't have a big list, and I know who I've slept with. And for me, like I said, it's more of a respect thing to where if I'm like, yeah, if my man is kiki with. First of all, if I have a man and I know I mess with his friend or someone he kicks it with, that's not my man. I'm not. We're not fucking around, like, to begin with. Unless I just did not know. And once I find out, I'm telling you, like, oh, look, this is the situation. Because I don't want someone else to say it. Like, that's weird.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

This is the one thing I would love to ask Cam. Like, I would love to ask him if he gave her his list or was that required?

[Host (Female)]

I don't think that was required.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Would that be a thing?

[Host (Female)]

I don't think that's a thing.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Like, you know, he's a pretty famous dude, and, you know, it's a possibility he been with some famous women. Or it's a possibility he could have been with, like, some of the girls he's dated or been, like, in a situation.

[Host (Female)]

Like, his girl's friends.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Yeah, one of her friends. I wonder if he gave the list too. So I don't know, Cam, it go both ways, too. Did you give your list up or it's just required from her? I'm just saying, like, damn, I ain't ever. I'm sure. I wondered, like, damn.

[Host (Female)]

I mean, I don't think that it was, like, me personally, I'll be honest. If I'm with a man, I don't want to know his list. But what I want to know is, like, don't have me looking stupid, but.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

I would tell you it's about a man.

[Host (Female)]

A man don't even know his list.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Don't even know his list.

[Host (Female)]

Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. A man don't even know his list. Barely remember his name.

[Guest 1 (Male)]

Yeah, hold on, Let me go through the phone. Like what? Like I used to.

[Host (Female)]

Like a man don't know his list.

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