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Joe
Reports Say the Suns will look to reroute Jalen Green to another team. I can see that. That makes sense. Hey, I need a draft, huh?
Riley Herbst
Hold on, I'm tripping. Now you trade KD for Jalen Green. Now you want to ship Jalen Green somewhere else. And then I see reports that they also about a buyout with Bradley Beal. What the hell going on?
Joe
Cause ojo Bradley, See, Bradley Beal and LeBron are one of the two players, two players that have no training. So you can't move Bradley Beal where he doesn't want to go. So the best thing is like, you know what? Let's just go ahead and bite this bullet, get up off this and move in a different direction.
Riley Herbst
So how would Bradley Beal look down here at Miami since he is a prolific scorer? He is a scorer.
Joe
He's gonna get 80, 90% of his money. He can look good wherever he chooses to go.
Riley Herbst
Come on. Hey, let me, let me holler. Let me take man.
Ocho
Instead of trying to get people in Miami.
Riley Herbst
Hey, well listen, we could use a score like that. Now look at what he did on the Wizards and look what happened. It's too many people touching the.
Joe
Goddamn it don't take it don't take nothing to be a good score on a bad team.
Riley Herbst
You talk about, you talk about.
Joe
No, I'm saying it don't take anything. Brad. You know this bad team, it don't take much to be a top notch scorer. Cause who cares? You getting your eyes beat out anyway. So don't nobody.
Riley Herbst
That, that's, that's the one where they'll say I, I said that one time to Coach Patino. One time. I was talking about Paul and I was talking about Antoine. And that's when they were beating the hell out of the damn Celtics. And I was, I was one of the reporters. I said, so Paul and Antoine, you know, they got their numbers tonight, Coach. And he turned to me, I was just embarrassed as I've ever been. He said, turn to me. He said, numbers are for losers. I don't give a shit about them scoring no basket. So. So you're right in the NBA on a bad team, you can look really good scoring the basketball because you're the only thing to have. But when you plug that into a good team, do you get wins because of that? And you can see what happened with Bradley Beal. He leaves Washington and goes to everybody said oh that, that they're, they're going to be in. They're going to be in. Because in score he goes now to Phoenix, and he ain't shooting that way no more. He. He ain't getting them. He ain't getting what you say, Joe back in the. He getting touches like that, he gonna get.
Joe
Because you don't. You don't get to take all them bad shots. You don't get to come down and say, you know what? I'm gonna get me 25, 30 shots a night, no matter what, on a good team, with other good players. It's not like that. Especially when you have multiple good players on said teams. Now, maybe if he goes. If it could be a situation like okc, J Dubs and Shay gonna get the lion's share of the shots. Like Tonight, Shay was 8 or 27. J Dub was 7 to 20. Now they got 47 of the 87 shots. Two guys took over half the shots. Okay, but now you put Bradley, Bill, you put it with KD and Book. Ain't enough bad shots to go around. Yeah, they're gonna be looking at you crazy. You come down taking bad shots. Some of the bad shots that you were able to take and get away with when you were the. With the. The Wizards.
Ocho
I agree. When you playing with other great players, man, you have to try to find a way to be efficient. I take y' all guys back to 2005, 2004, when I was playing with the Phoenix Sun. Nash was the mvp. You had a. Maurice Stoudemire was a premier all Star. Shawn Marion was a premier all Star. And as your fourth option, which was me, I wanted to be efficient. I shot 48% from the three. And every time I took a shot, I wanted to make it count because I knew I wasn't gonna get many of them. You know what I mean? I wanted to make possible. I did. I knew. Listen, I knew the ones that I did, I had to be, damn it, you better make it inefficient. You hear me? So I did what I had to do that year, and I only got a chance to play on that with them guys were Nash for one year. And I thought we had a special team, but unfortunately, we got some new ownership that came in and thought otherwise.
Riley Herbst
But, Joe, that made it possible for you to go to another team, though, because you had highlighted what you were able to do on that particular team with not a lot of shots. And I think that's why you able to go someplace else. And all of a sudden, you know, you get the ISO Joe thing.
Ocho
But look, it goes back to what Unc said.
Joe
Hell, I got.
Ocho
When I got to Atlanta, my first couple of years, I'm averaging 20, 25, 26 a game. But hell, that if the calorie. Cause we getting the nose bleed beat about.
Riley Herbst
Hey, Joe. Hey, when you. When you was in Phoenix, Stoudemire with the five?
Ocho
Yeah, man, he was way before his time, Ojo. The boy was so raw when he came. He came in straight out of high school. He came in. Man, I'm talking about just running through cats.
Joe
He was going through you.
Ocho
It wasn't no around you. He was going through you. I'm talking about. I seen him go head to head with Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Chris Webb. I'm talking about the elites. Hey, that boy was special, man. He was special. Oh, that's what. That's your partner. That's Lake Wells. That's all you holler about is Lake Wells. Yeah, Florida. Lake Wells. Florida. Ain't Lake Wells for Florida.
Riley Herbst
Yeah, that must be. You mean Lakeland? Lakeland.
Ocho
Because he always talk about him, Roy Jones, all this.
Riley Herbst
Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, that's right up the road. That's right up the road. How do all these damn athletes come out of damn Florida? Oh, it's the water, baby. It ain't nothing but the water. You know, listen, we. We produce them different down here. We. We produce some different weather. The weather.
Joe
Look at where the best. Look at the best athletes they come out of what warm weather. California, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana. Look, I mean, because you got. You got like ideal cl. You got ideal climate. And you know, us, we like warm weather. We don't like the cold. We like. We like warm weather. And for the most part, you can do a lot of things on lot a lot longer.
Riley Herbst
Yes.
Joe
So, you know, you get warm weather a lot longer and you don't get those, you know, those, those long winters and short summers. You get long summers. But if you go back, look at that. Look at the. Look at basketball. Let's just take basketball, especially football. Ain't even close. All the football players from the outside, California, Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, Florida, south county, stuff like that. But I think that's what it has to do. It has to do with. If you go back and look at it, look at where most of the athletes come from.
Riley Herbst
Damn. I was from North Carolina. I'm sorry. Come on.
Joe
You get a little bad. Y' all got a few.
Riley Herbst
I guarantee you North Carolina might have the greatest basketball allotment of basketball players.
Ocho
Ever put together outside more than Chicago.
Riley Herbst
Oh, hell, yeah. I'm taking Jordan. Jordan. Where is he from?
Joe
Where, where, where, where? I got a few. Well, you. Hey, it used to be New York, you know, you used to be New York was the hot band back in the 60s. Dominique.
Riley Herbst
Dominique. Where is he from? North Carolina.
Joe
Buck Williams, Dominique. James Worthy. We that sleepy Floyd Thompson.
Riley Herbst
There's a. There's a ton of guys you don't even talk about. Bob McAdoo, one of the greatest of all time.
Joe
Yeah, he's from Greensboro.
Riley Herbst
I mean, there was so many great players like, hey, David Thompson that people won't even talk about anymore. He was. Before Jordan. He was. Damn it, I tell you what. I was gardening one time and I was swiveling. I was going back and forth and somebody said, lob. And I'm. I'm gardening pretty good. And then I turn around and look. I tell you what, I can tell you what size shoe he wore, because I was. Damn feet, Shannon. He wore size 13. That's all I saw.
Joe
ISO is still the man, the big three.
Riley Herbst
Yeah, yeah.
Joe
He double, double opening. He like, hey, he had 30 points, 10 rebounds and opening to come back. And now he followed that up with a 29 point performance. But you kind of banged up your knee.
Ocho
Yeah, yeah, I got a. I got a deep thigh contusion.
Colin Cowherd
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Ocho
He need me right above my knee.
Riley Herbst
Hey, I got something for that. I got something, man.
Ocho
You know, them deep thigh bruises, man, they linger. I'm 44, man, you know. Hey, it's gonna take me a little while.
Riley Herbst
I know. I know how to get, Joe. I know how to get it out, Joe. I know how to get out. Don't worry about it. Listen to me now, you got on you guys at home, all right, get you some onions, right? Kill onion. Put on the stove, boil some hot water. Put the onion in the water, let it boil a little bit.
Joe
Okay?
Riley Herbst
A little bit, right? The boil, take it out, Cut the onion in half. Get some Vicks vapor rub. Get some mixed vapor rub. Put the Vic vapor rub on the contour, right? Take the onion, put the onion on there. Then wrap the onion around. Yeah, on top of it. Okay, right. And let it sit there, let there for 27 minutes. Not 28 minutes, not 26 minutes. 27 minutes. Then take it off. I guarantee you feel better the next day. I promise you. I'm tired.
Ocho
My grandma called me after the game. She said his little ass did that shit on purpose, didn't it? Yeah, she didn't like it. She ain't like it. So I'm telling Rio. My grandma ain't like it, brother. She thought it was A dirty play. But it was a great game. Fellas, myself and on, on behalf of myself and the Detroit Amps, man, we just trying to squeeze these wins out week to week. And obviously we understood the hype that was coming into, you know, this week's game. And everybody stepped up, man, and done with it. And then we done what we had to do to get a win for sure.
Riley Herbst
Man. We're the next.
Joe
Go. Go ahead.
Ocho
We there this upcoming weekend. Oh, wait.
Riley Herbst
In Miami. Wait, I mean, what's the date?
Ocho
Sunday. Sunday. It's Sunday.
Riley Herbst
Okay. Okay.
Joe
So y' all leaving that game.
Ocho
I'm do what I can to nurse this thing up throughout the week. And I'm gonna keep them updated and we'll see how I feel by Friday. Saturday.
Riley Herbst
Yeah.
Joe
You gonna have to break. You have to break that scar tissue up though, Joe. You gotta get that scar tissue.
Ocho
And I got on that plane and came right back here. So, you know, it's just. It kind of swollen up on me on that plane a little bit, but I'm in a little pain over here, but I'll be all right.
Riley Herbst
Yeah, you good. You good.
Joe
I told you so what, Lance? And be easy. What they talking about?
Ocho
Listen, did y' all see the game? It was a good game. They came to play. They came to play. It wasn't.
Joe
I mean, but they forgot about ISO, Joe.
Ocho
They forgot about ISO. Hey, listen, tell them they can go with plan C if playing B with playing me, man. I'm the one. I'm just letting you know, man. Y' all know what's going on around here. Stop playing.
Riley Herbst
Stop playing, man.
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Joe
Yeah, he was. Joe, say hey. They must have forgot. Hey.
Ocho
Sometimes. Hey, what do you say? Sometimes you got to pop out and show them.
Joe
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Ocho
Oh, that boy throwing that weight around. He making love of that weight, ain't.
Riley Herbst
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I touched my chest, right? And look how slow and controlled. Now, I know you're gonna say, oh, he's spotting. He help you out. Look how slow, though, huh? Nice and slow so I can feel everything.
Ocho
That boy ain't playing.
Joe
Hey, hey, Joe the spotter got some good. Some great shoulder work. He gets some great shrugs in.
Riley Herbst
What you talking about, huh?
Joe
The guy can't touch the bar.
Riley Herbst
I know that. Listen to me. But a 315 Heavy, now, come on, man.
Joe
That's what it's supposed to be.
Riley Herbst
Hold on. Listen to me. Stay with me real quick. Now, I know nobody's supposed to touch the bar, but I'm purposely going slow so you can see I'm controlling it, and it's really me.
Joe
You're supposed to go slow.
Riley Herbst
I know that. Hey, but get on my level.
Ocho
That 3:15 ain't none of you, huh?
Riley Herbst
No, of course, but look how big he is.
Joe
Look how, look, you say you the same. You say we the same size.
Riley Herbst
I am. I am now. I am now. I am now. You know, hey, I'm by, hey, I'm by 2:30. I'm gonna be in the gym tomorrow, though.
Joe
I think you. I think you. I think you and Jim Jones should have a pinch off.
Riley Herbst
No, no, no, no. Listen, hey, hold on, hold on. Hey, listen, don't, don't, don't do it like that. Listen, I'm in a class of my own. When out. When it comes to all that, you know, you're not stronger than me. I'm just trying to show you I'm almost where I need to be to compete with you.
Joe
No, you're not. All right, but I, But I. Hey, but I like the fact that you're in the gym, you working out. I mean, bro, I, I, you know, you don't do no Leg press. You don't do no hamstring curls. No legacy.
Riley Herbst
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, boy. She see my legs.
Ocho
That boy walking around here looking like a wall.
Riley Herbst
Hey, hey, hold on. Wait. Hey, you see that? You see that? Hey, you see them thing? Hey, that's all. Hey, that's all muscle, boy. Huh?
Joe
Seem like you've been spending a lot of time walking on your. Walking on your hands. Cause your arm is bigger than your legs.
Riley Herbst
Oh, nah, nah, nah. Hey, listen. Well, I'm a gazelle. You hear me? I'm a gazelle. Right now. I can give you a 4, 3, 4, 4. Right now, all right?
Joe
3, 4, 3, 4, what?
Riley Herbst
Huh?
Joe
3, 4, what?
Riley Herbst
I say 4, 3, 4, 4. Come on. Yeah. Hey, hey, you gotta. Yeah. You gotta remember, I'm built for speed, man. Ain't no point in having big old legs.
Joe
You were built for speed. You're not anymore.
Riley Herbst
Oh, no, no. I'm still fast.
Ocho
Name four, three fast.
Joe
No, look.
Riley Herbst
Oh, come on. Hey, hey.
Joe
What?
Ocho
I ain't saying you can't move. I know you can move.
Riley Herbst
I can move, Joe.
Joe
Yeah, but I'm saying that's what I think. I think. I think you. I think what you call them, you. Y' all should have a bench off a curl. What else you doing?
Ocho
He ready now.
Joe
What else you. What else you do in the gym? You bench?
Riley Herbst
I do everything. I do everything.
Joe
Curls. Triceps.
Riley Herbst
Yeah, triceps, Everything. See, my trainer, he compete. My trainers, he did Olympia. I forgot.
Joe
We.
Riley Herbst
I think 20, 21. So he put me through. He put me through the works. So I'm getting all the. Right.
Joe
What is the physique? 212. Classic.
Riley Herbst
I gotta ask him. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. He complete. Like. What is it? Like Phil, Heath and Ronnie. What's that?
Joe
That's open?
Riley Herbst
Yeah, he's. He's in the open, but, hey, he big. He big to the bruh.
Joe
Okay.
Ocho
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Joe
So what's his name?
Riley Herbst
Jose. I tagged him. I tagged him on the video.
Joe
Oh, okay. I don't. I don't know. I don't know him. You know him. Jordan. Hey.
Ocho
What's up? What's up with the shy suit you got on? What you got going on?
Riley Herbst
Hey, I'm just. I'm just. I'm trying to figure out if you're gonna pay my money or not.
Ocho
That's. Oh, okay.
Joe
So that's what. That's what it is. That's what's up.
Riley Herbst
Yeah. Yeah.
Ocho
That's how you showing up?
Riley Herbst
Yeah, that's how I'm feeling. I'm just feeling. I just want to know if you're gonna pay me with your own.
Ocho
You. You in the hole, brother.
Riley Herbst
What do you mean? No, I only get a hundred dollars.
Ocho
You in the hole. It don't matter how much. You're in the hole. You in the hole. So your UNC. 50.
Joe
959. Hey, hey, Joe, look, we. Look what I got.
Riley Herbst
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I need you to see me. I need you to send me my. Hey, give me my. Give me my.
Joe
Oh, that was yours.
Riley Herbst
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hey, hey, see? Hey, hey, send me my award, please.
Ocho
All right. Hey, that's. No, that's all right there.
Joe
And you know they got the webbies coming.
Riley Herbst
Hey, I don't want to have to do nothing.
Joe
And we won hashtag awards.
Riley Herbst
We wanna.
Joe
No, no, no, no, no. What do you mean?
Ocho
I'm just gonna keep it at his house.
Joe
Ain't no big week. It's just big me.
Riley Herbst
Hey, hey, I got. I already got. I already got my shisty on. Don't make me execute, now. Don't make me execute.
Joe
Ocho, you owe. Oh, what you owe, Joe, you owe me.
Riley Herbst
Hold on. The money ain't got nothing to do with the wars. We winning.
Joe
Yeah, dude, I'm holding them hostage. I'm holding them hostage.
Riley Herbst
Okay, I'm gonna have to come get him then. Hey, ain't no problem. I come get him. Don't worry about it.
Joe
I' ma come get him. I don't know why you don't want to pay people their money, man.
Riley Herbst
I told you I'm gonna pay you. I told you I'm pay you. Hold on. Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me. I just got a new place. I want to furnish My place.
Joe
My place.
Ocho
Give me my.
Riley Herbst
Hold on there, Joe. You gonna press.
Ocho
You'd have been down my neck. You'd have been down my neck for your.
Joe
Exactly. Keep it going, fellas. I gotta go to the bathroom.
Riley Herbst
Hold on, Joe. You gonna press me about a hundred, man?
Ocho
It's the principle, Ocho. You know, if I let you slide with that, honey, then you get in the hole with me again. Guess what? You gonna try to slide with it again? I gotta. Hey, I'm. Listen, I'm coming. I'll be in Miami. I'm being Miami this upcoming week. Now, I hate to have to pull up on you. Pull up at your house. I got your address. Now, I hate to have to pull up unannounced. I don't. I normally don't act like that.
Riley Herbst
Hey, Joe. Hey, you pull up here, Joe. I'm gonna have to do something to you. Joe. Hey, when you come, boy, we got. We gotta. We gotta hit tootsies, man.
Ocho
When you get here, man. All right, all right. Hey, how was your trip, man? How was your trip? Good to see you back, partner.
Riley Herbst
Oh, man. Hey, listen, Cons was beautiful. It was beautiful, man. It was very enjoyable, man, being able to. To see how things get done, to see and meet the people in person who call, who give the green lights, who write the checks, and it was awesome. I took some really, really good meetings, man, and met some great people and started some good relationships. So I'm looking forward to those going really well in the future. So I represented myself in Nightcap very, very well.
Ocho
That's what's up, man. You look like you had a good time over there, partner.
Riley Herbst
Yeah, yeah, I did. Every. Every picture I took with everybody. I was on the tippy toes too, right? Hey, hey, Nah. They had me feeling like I was a. Nah.
Ocho
Oh, man. Yeah. I ain't never been over there, man. I have to see what that. What that's like.
Riley Herbst
It's nice. It's real nice. It's real nice. I. I go to Monaco, which is not that far. San Tropez is not that far. About an hour away. You know, I only. I only go to watch soccer, so this is my first time just going really out the country for a reason that had nothing to do with soccer. And I. I enjoyed it once I got there and got a better understanding of what it was all about. You know what? This is dope. And now I can't. I can't wait the next year.
Joe
Yeah, I can't wait till I get my money.
Ocho
Hey, it's drawing.
Joe
Who would like to have. Who would like to have a Nightcap Show? 2025 podcast of the year is the. The awards for creative excellence.
Riley Herbst
Damn, I appreciate that. And one. One thing about me, boy, hey, when I go to the bathroom, you know, you. I piss excellence. You hear me? Huh? Yeah, I piss excellence. So I need. I need that award so I can show.
Joe
Can I get. Well, well, since you do all that, can I get my money? Go ahead and go in the bathroom.
Ocho
And get my money.
Riley Herbst
I told. Listen, they almost finished with my pool. As soon as my pool finished. Whatever's left.
Ocho
Come on.
Joe
What I gotta do, Jojo?
Riley Herbst
My kid. My kids want to swim, huh? I got it. My daughter want to swim.
Joe
So I got. So I got. I got. I got it. So my kids Go without.
Riley Herbst
So your kids, your kids grown? I got my three year old french fry. French fry. She want to swim. She want to swim with her sisters. And come on now, y' all got to like.
Ocho
So you saying you get your pool done, you gonna get to get a man 5,900.
Riley Herbst
Hey, once I finish the pool, I'm done. You. Y' all can have whatever you want. You can have whatever you want. If you need extra, I give you that too.
Ocho
I'm gonna tell you, you're gonna have to pull up, man. I'm just gonna keep it 100.
Joe
I believe so. I believe so, Joe.
Ocho
I believe so.
Riley Herbst
Hey, let me tell you something. You know about Florida, right? You know Florida's open carry state.
Joe
Yeah. And I can't. I'm in Florida and I got over here.
Riley Herbst
Okay.
Joe
All right. And I ain't talking about no sick. I ain't talking about no cool either.
Riley Herbst
Okay, okay, okay. I'm just making sure, you know, before. Before you all right. Don't worry about it.
Ocho
All right.
Riley Herbst
Hey, hey, let me.
Joe
Well, you know what? I'm an auction off one of these.
Riley Herbst
I don't wait. Well, you are. You auction off yours, don't auction off mine.
Joe
I said one of them.
Riley Herbst
I gotta have something to give my kids.
Joe
Hey, as a matter of fact, let me go ahead and put mine on the shelf.
Riley Herbst
Hey, you know what? One thing about it, they sure take you for a joke, man. Let me go ahead and put that uniform on and let you know he.
Joe
Quick to holler by somebody taking it for a joke. A joke, Joe. He obviously, man.
Ocho
I think it's been longer than that. I ain't trying to be a business, but. Yeah, man, I'm talking about. I've been hearing about this 5,900. If I don't know how long.
Joe
Hey, I suppose that I got my money in New Orleans.
Riley Herbst
Hey, listen, I need my rewards. I'm gonna give you two weeks. I'm gonna give you. You got two weeks. That's it.
Joe
Hey, well, you rather come get it. You come get it.
Riley Herbst
Hey, that ain't no problem. That ain't no problem.
Joe
You know what I'm gonna do?
Riley Herbst
Hey, ain't no problem. I come get it.
Joe
I'm gonna send it to the old address. Can I just go ahead and send it to the old address?
Riley Herbst
What's the old address?
Joe
The old address. Why you should send all the other stuff.
Riley Herbst
Nah, that. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, don't, don't do that. Don't do that. Yeah, don't do that.
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Joe
Weezy had some advice from Halle ahead of game two. This is what he tweeted. He said halle, you have to sweep these boys to get some real respect from these folks. Y' all clearly walking on water and they act like y' all surfing. Hang 10 dude and make him ride your wave or Drown. Ain't that a beach?
Riley Herbst
I like it.
Joe
I mean, look, sometimes you could be a. Think about it. You could be a great something and just happen to be in the wrong era. There's a lot of great NFL quarterbacks, but if you played in the Manning in the. In the Tom Brady era, you ain't getting no credit. If you played in the Jordan, you were the guard who, what guard got credit in the Jordan era in the 80s and that what guard other than Magic in the 80s and it was. He hit the nine. It wasn't nobody talking about nobody else but him. Yeah, that's just. You look at the. And Halle is an unbelievable player. But when you got Luca and you still got Steph and you got Shay, I mean we. You got Brunson doing his heroic. It's like J O. You know how it is in the era. You played kind of like the tail end of the big era. I mean look at all the bigs. But when Shaq was doing what he was doing, man, you, hey, unless you was Elijah 1 or Robinson, but there was some really quality bigs. But you don't get credit because these other guys are playing so well. Steph Curry, James Harden is still in the league. Steph Curry is still in the league. You got Luka still in the league. So it's going to be hard for, I think for Halle to get the credit that he deserves. Even if he wins, I still believe it's going to be hard for people to look at him as like I still would take Luke over him. I will still take Steph. I will still take X, Y, Z and T. Well, the only reason why.
Isaiah Thomas
That is, right, and we talk about, you know, you heard this overrated stuff, right? A lot of it is it's the big game then the disappearance.
Joe
Yes.
Isaiah Thomas
That is the only reason now we having a whole nother conversation is he come out tonight and he has 20 plus, 20 plus points that really matter, right?
Joe
Yes.
Isaiah Thomas
You can look in the fourth quarter with the 12 that he scored in the fourth quarter, well, the game is over. Empty calories, right. I think from a perspective, I do believe he is learning, right. Because even you look at his body expressions on the bench, right? He's talking to himself, right. You got to go through that experience, right, of people going to take Luka, they're going to take Steph because they're going to give you those 20, 30 40s on every night. He's trying to really. It's almost like he's trying to find himself without deteriorating who he Truly is. Which is a pass. First point guard.
Joe
Yes.
Isaiah Thomas
And so we got to give a.
Joe
Little bit of grace.
Isaiah Thomas
I just need him to be more aggressive to start and let the cars fall as they may as the game progress.
Joe
You know who was the past first point guard? Magic Johnson. Until he got his ass in the NBA Finals against the Philadelphia 76ers and he went 42, 15. You say the hell with that pass. He said, and sometimes that's what you have to do. I mean, you know, LeBron is really a pass, but at some point in time, at some point, you got to say, you know what, the hell with this, right? I'm gonna get mine, y' all rebound and put it back in the hole. If you can't get it back out. Hey, and I think that's what Halle's gonna have to do. That's the approach he's gonna have to take.
Riley Herbst
Yeah, it's all on. It's all on knowing when to hit that switch. Magic knew when hit that switch. LeBron knew when to hit that switch. It's all about Halle understanding when to hit that switch. Especially doing it before. Before your team goes down 15. Before your team goes down 20. Get your ass going.
Ocho
It seems like he comes out and he looks for those other guys to kind of get them going, but him, like, he has to understand he is him, you know, like, he has to come out, set the tone, set the pace in which they want to play to be aggressive because like you say, they. They won game one. So they did kind of seem a little like, okay, we definitely a little passive, seem content. Yeah, they seemed a little content. So I expect a different pace of team to show up in game three. Guys being at home, playing in front of their own crowd, a lot more confidence. These guys will probably play at a much faster pace. They only had, what, nine fast break points tonight. That ain't gonna get it for them to win. We know they've been a great fast break team the entire season.
Joe
Yep. Yeah, it's gonna be hard to be OKC at a half court set. They got too many. They got too many great defenders. Yeah, they got. Their hands are too good. Shay, look, Shay had what, four. Four steals tonight. Shay had four steals tonight. But think about it.
Isaiah Thomas
People ain't talking about this. They got, remember coming through high school, they got the one kid that don't do nothing but run around with your hand.
Joe
Daughter out there, boy.
Ocho
Daughter out there.
Joe
He has shadow with these boys right.
Isaiah Thomas
Now, and I think people don't talk.
Ocho
A lot about him.
Isaiah Thomas
Obviously, he's all defensive team, first team.
Joe
That is major when you can take.
Isaiah Thomas
Somebody and say, look, he ain't playing tonight.
Ocho
Right. Right.
Isaiah Thomas
You run around with him.
Ocho
And that is.
Isaiah Thomas
To me, that does. I feel like that does have a little bit of an impact on what we see with Tyrese Halliburton early.
Riley Herbst
Right.
Isaiah Thomas
They're not letting him get a rhythm. They're not letting him get to his spots. They say, okay, y' all gonna play four on four while me and you.
Ocho
Over here, you know, run around. Hey, I agree. I agree with you. And I love Lou Dork for that because his game isn't predicated off making shots or scoring. You know, that's the plus if he's giving you that. But he's in there strictly to be disruptive, to be a pest defensively and take out your best player. Ultimately, him. Him and Wallace, that's why they're in the starting lineup. They. Not necessarily. Now, if they explode for 15 or 20 points, okay, we gonna pat them on their back. It's gonna be hard to beat them if they playing like that. But they're both in there for defensive purposes and they've been doing their job, especially tonight.
Joe
Yep, this is what Alzell said. Rick Carliles has been a coach for the past 23 years. He could be the right man to elevate Halliburton's game and the Pacers to a championship caliber team. Isaiah Thomas said, you went to an NBA Finals, but you didn't win a championship until you met Phil Jackson. Zeke told Shaq tonight, Kobe Bryant didn't become Kobe until Phil Jackson got there. Jordan didn't win until Phil Jackson got there. You've got a coach in this series by the name of Rick Carlisle, 65 years old, and we saw him the other night run triple stagger. And none of these OKC players had seen that before. Rick. Rick Carlisle is bringing some old school stuff. This is a different style of. Style of basketball that OKC ain't used to playing against. Right. We have to come out with something else because I don't know what he ran tonight, but they ate that up.
Ocho
I don't know what.
Joe
I don't know what that was, Joe, but okc. OKC was ready for that.
Ocho
Yeah, they had to. They mean they at home, best team in the league. They lost game one. They had no choice but to come out and play desperate like they did tonight. But I. Look, I'm not putting them past the Pacers, man. They've shown up and proven to me this Whole entire postseason, that when you count them out, them boys gonna bounce back and they give you a great game. So the Pacers are still in control, guys. Yeah, they just gotta protect home court.
Isaiah Thomas
I'm gonna tell you guys, I had a chance to play for Ray Carlisle and Indy, right? And so I know the level of coach he is. I remember being in the huddle sometimes, and he would just after the first, you know, get the two horns, the first horn come, and he just sitting there looking. And as soon as we hear that first horn, he starts to draw up sets, right, that we typically, you know, like in game situations, right? And that's the type of coach he is. You know, he's a savant. He's a basketball savant, and that's why I'm picking and willing to put on the Pacers in game three.
Riley Herbst
Damn, Joe, what you trying to do, Joe?
Ocho
What we doing, J O? Little friendly bet. Let me tell y' all something. It's kind of conflicting for me, because Gennaro Pargo, I'm talking about my best friend, one of my best friends, he's assistant coach for the Pacers, So I'm. And then, you know, I got some former Razorbacks playing for the Thunder, so I'm conflicted. But if you want to put a little something on it, Jo, you know, a little friendly.
Joe
Nobody ain't ever conflicted by money. You notice that, Joe, and you noticed about Jo. Ain't nobody ever conflicted by money, Ocho. Ain't no conflict.
Isaiah Thomas
No conflict at all about that.
Joe
What you gonna do, baby? I mean, you know what I'm saying? Whatever we want to do. But we both got Zell, you know what I'm saying? The cash out.
Ocho
It ain't got to be nothing to make you nervous, J O. Just a little light hunted or two. We ain't gotta act like that now.
Joe
Hey. God damn it, Joe.
Isaiah Thomas
I feel good about the patients, bro.
Joe
Oh, do you?
Riley Herbst
Yeah.
Ocho
You feel good about them going home, playing in front of their home crowd, huh?
Riley Herbst
Absolutely.
Ocho
I ain't gonna lie. I do, too. But I just think. I think okc, man, they've been great on the road, fellas. They've been great on the road.
Joe
They going home, get some of that country kitchen jail they go get some of, you know, neck bone and fried catfish, the wings that Mac and cheese.
Ocho
Hey, hey, J O, no, J O, you know, you can. You do have.
Riley Herbst
Some.
Ocho
Teams do have a tendency to kind of let their guards down when they get home, though. They sleep in their own bed, you know, they get, they relax a little bit. They got, you got 15, 20 people coming in town because they want to see the finals. So now you got to entertain and. Oh, no, next thing you know. Yeah, next thing you know, you tired.
Joe
How much NBA finals tickets cost?
Isaiah Thomas
Oh, man, listen, I was checking the days I was taking my son. Like second and third row is 5,600 per ticket, okay?
Ocho
The type of money.
Riley Herbst
The only, only 56 I know is Lawrence Taylor.
Joe
Hey, hey, them super bowl tickets be they, hey, they head cracking now, man. Them super bowl tickets be going 15, 20, 30, 40, 50,000.
Ocho
Hey, look, you gotta look at the money these dudes making now.
Joe
Yeah, but that's one game, right?
Isaiah Thomas
You talking about like, like the, the front row, the floor seats was almost 12, 000 per seat.
Joe
But J o think about how high you up, how high you in the stadium, at least you could yell something. They can hear you. You so high up, paying 4,005, $6,000, ain't nobody hear you but a dude next door to you. But man, stop all that damn yelling. I said. Hey, man, look what's on the bar, Ocho, where they are.
Riley Herbst
What? That is four plates. What's that, four or five?
Ocho
Mm.
Riley Herbst
Why you struggling? Why you struggling?
Joe
Hey, I tell you, I bet you can't. I tell you what, you can't even hold it. That's three reps with four, five. You ain't never done four five.
Riley Herbst
Who ain't never done mask? Man, what you talking about?
Joe
Yeah, you gonna say you squatted? As a matter of fact, I probably can bench what you squat while you bumping them.
Riley Herbst
Don't do that.
Joe
Why you.
Riley Herbst
I squat.
Joe
Why you're jumping them?
Riley Herbst
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You might, you might want to pump your brakes a little bit and talk to some of my teammates and ask.
Joe
That's 405, right?
Ocho
Ocho don't catch with no spotter. And a suicide don't catch no Hernand out here trying to lift no 4, 5, man.
Riley Herbst
Hey, Joe, Joe, I was doing 405 when I was in the league, Joe. I was squatting 650 when I was in the league, Joe. I worked out the lineman.
Joe
Joe, squat. You can't. You can't squat 650 with a two ply suit.
Riley Herbst
Hold on.
Joe
See that? Why I know you don't know if you know you, you. Have you ever been in a two ply suit?
Riley Herbst
Hey, Joe, Joe, Joe, have you ever.
Joe
Been in a two ply suit?
Riley Herbst
No, I only, I only wear three piece. Exactly, Joe.
Joe
He don't know nothing about.
Riley Herbst
Yo, every time. Every time I say I do something right. He never believed me until I had people that come on that play with me.
Joe
Ain't nobody gonna come on. I can call Chip. I can call Chip.
Riley Herbst
Call Chip. Call Ray Chip more, Chip, more, and he'll tell you.
Joe
Chip the lineman.
Riley Herbst
I worked out with the linemen.
Joe
All I know, pound for pound, when I was in the league, I was the second strongest player. I was 225 pounds with a max of 470.
Riley Herbst
Hold on. You was the second strongest player on your team, maybe.
Joe
No. In the league. Body weight. Pound for pound, man.
Ocho
Hey, Art, you did that with no spot, man?
Joe
No, I no. By myself.
Riley Herbst
Yeah. Hey, he probably. Listen, hey, it was probably elevated. They probably had some help.
Joe
Ain't no elevator. Hey, you see. Pull it back. You can see what's back there. You can see what's back there.
Riley Herbst
Hey, you see these?
Joe
You gotta take it down slower. Control, Ocho. By myself. Hey, look, touching my chest, that is a bench.
Riley Herbst
Hey, that's. That's a magic trick. I don't believe that. I gotta see that for myself. That's. Hey, that's my. Hey, Joe, that's AI. Joe, that's AI. That ain't real.
Joe
Okay, AI.
Riley Herbst
Hey, Chat. That's AI. Don't.
Ocho
Don't lie to you.
Joe
That's one thing, to Chat the chat.
Ocho
No, look, I ain't gonna lie to you. They ain't nothing but some squat away for me.
Joe
Why.
Ocho
I ain't gonna sit here and lie to you. I ain't gonna try to get under there and lift no 405. Boy, please.
Riley Herbst
Hey, hey, Joey. It ain't that hard, Joe. He just looked like that.
Ocho
You know, y' all got. You know, football players have different bills from basketball players.
Riley Herbst
For sure I do.
Joe
Joe.
Riley Herbst
Look at me, Joe.
Joe
Here you go. Here you go.
Riley Herbst
Here you go.
Joe
Here you go. Give me. I tell you what, Ocho. Give me six weeks.
Ocho
What you gonna do in six.
Riley Herbst
You get. You said give me six weeks. What you talking about?
Joe
You want. You want to do, Ocho? You really want to do this?
Riley Herbst
You know I work out every day.
Joe
No, I'm saying, do you really want to do this?
Riley Herbst
Whatever you want to do. I work out every day. I. I ain't played football in 12 years. I work out every day like I'm finna get.
Joe
How long you think it's been since I played football? Damn. You think I retired yesterday?
Riley Herbst
I'm gonna tell you. I work out every day like I'm finna get a phone call. You just never know.
Joe
Just in case I've been. I've been retired 22 years.
Riley Herbst
Okay. Okay.
Joe
With double hips.
Riley Herbst
What you wanna do? I mean, what you wanna do?
Joe
I bet you I wouldn't even put my feet on the floor, man.
Riley Herbst
Listen, six weeks. What you want to do? I can hold my feet up too.
Joe
What you say, Ocho? Ocho, I'll be. I'll beat you with my feet up like this here.
Riley Herbst
I could do. I could do the same thing. Hey, listen, uncle, it's all about core at that point.
Joe
Hey, you see how I wiggle my feet? That's how I'm being wiggling my feet on the bench with you.
Riley Herbst
All right, I wanna. I wanna know what's up with this six week challenge. What you trying to do? Cause I love. I love a good competition.
Joe
I ain't wasting my time with you, man.
Riley Herbst
That's what I thought. Cause up. You don't want no smoke with me. You know better. You know that water line? Oh, Joe.
Ocho
Oh, don't let him get your blood pressure up. O.
Riley Herbst
Hey, no, I'm. I'm good, Joe. Joe. I'm good, Joe. But when it come to competing, can't nobody see me in nothing. I don't care who it is or what it is. And Joe, this is what I do. Joe, man.
Joe
Oo. I don't even. I don't even really live like that no more. Oo, but for you over there.
Riley Herbst
Yeah, who you?
Joe
I mean, Ocho, you can't even do 3:15.
Riley Herbst
How you gonna tell me what I could do? I do it tomorrow, uncle, before my flight. I do it before my flight tomorrow to show you. Hey, lifting weight ain't nothing to me, huh?
Joe
Hold on, I'm trying to think. Hold up where we go?
Riley Herbst
Hold on, listen, let me finish. I've been pushing weight since the 80s. I've been lifting weight since the 80s. What you talking about? Hey, Joe. Joe. I done done it all, Joe. Well, I was a mule for the cartel, Joe. What you talking about? This what I do. Hey, look at this. Look at that. Let me. Let me put in the camera for you so you can see. Don't you see that? That's 30 inches, boy? That's 30.
Joe
That's half of that.
Riley Herbst
Hey, I don't know about y', all. Hey, Joe. I. I took a nap today, Joe.
Joe
Yeah, I tell.
Riley Herbst
I took a nap today.
Joe
So you must be had something to drink too. Thank you. You could, you could out me.
Riley Herbst
Well, let's do it right now. Race me into 400, then.
Joe
Bye.
Riley Herbst
Race me in the 400. Huh?
Joe
You want to make some man with artificial hip.
DJ Wells
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Riley Herbst
I ain't trying to hear you. Oh, excuse. You got excuse. You got an excuse. Race me to 400.
Joe
You retired after I stopped running.
Riley Herbst
I ain't trying to hear all that. Race me in the 400.
Joe
See, now you want to take advantage of a man that ain't got no real hills.
Riley Herbst
Man, listen, man. Hey, handicapping now. Everybody can get it. What? Bet 5,900.
Joe
What? No, we got 50. No, we got triple.
Ocho
We got, like.
Joe
We got, like, salary bet on this bench press.
Riley Herbst
Okay, hold on. Why. Why we did. Why I gotta just be bench press? Let's compete in everything.
Joe
That's what you. What you want to do. Ocho, I want to race.
Riley Herbst
I want to play paintball. Let's do basketball. I want to do all type. I want to do all type of stuff.
Joe
How about, Ocho, I got artificial hips?
Ocho
I tell y' all what. I tell y' all what we can do. We can bet on this ping pong table.
Riley Herbst
Now, Joe, don't.
Joe
Look, look, look, look, look.
Ocho
Unc, you claim the Chinese people come over there and train with you? Unk that what you claim.
Joe
That's what they do.
Ocho
Hey, hey, hey. That's a good bet. That's a good bet for all three of us. Why I tell y' all up something? Cat, raggedy. You hear me?
Riley Herbst
Yo, don't play with me.
Joe
I ain't played in a while. I ain't playing in a while, though.
Riley Herbst
I know. I play around a lot, Joe. You don't see me play tennis. Do not. Do not play with me.
Ocho
Ojo. Ojo, I'm telling you. Hey, hey, Ojo, you got.
Joe
You got that. You got that cushion. You got them padded paddles, Man, I.
Ocho
Got the wood paddles, the padded paddle. I got whatever you need. Yeah, I ain't play.
Joe
I ain't play.
Ocho
I ain't.
Joe
I only played a whole lot with them. The. The patty paddles we normally play with.
Ocho
The sandals. Hey, see them padded ones you got? You put that little spin on that, boy. Ain't no returning that. You better. You better keep that little wooden paddle you got.
Riley Herbst
That ain't what you want, bro.
Joe
Yeah, it is.
Riley Herbst
Yo.
Joe
Yes.
Riley Herbst
Hey, ask about me, man.
Ocho
Come on, man.
Joe
Flip it up.
Riley Herbst
Ask about me in overtime, man. Ask my homeboy, Buckwheat. I know Buckwheat might see this asking boys about me on asking boy about me on the ping pong battles, man. That's what I do man at Hadley park and Overtown at Gibson. When it come to ping pong table at mopark, that's what I do.
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Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.
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Club Shay Shay - Best of Unc, Ocho and Iso Joe Part 2: Hali DESERVES More Credit + Unc & Ocho Lifting Competition!
Release Date: July 10, 2025
In the second installment of the "Best of Unc, Ocho and Iso Joe" series, Club Shay Shay brings listeners an engaging and dynamic conversation filled with insightful discussions, personal anecdotes, and a spirited lifting competition between co-hosts Unc and Ocho. This episode delves deep into the intricacies of basketball trades, player performance, team dynamics, and the impact of external factors on athletic success.
The episode kicks off with a heated discussion about recent NBA trade rumors, particularly focusing on Bradley Beal and Jalen Green. Joe expresses skepticism about the Suns' intention to move Jalen Green, suggesting a possible buyout also involving Beal.
Joe [02:15]: "Reports say the Suns will look to reroute Jalen Green to another team. I can see that. That makes sense."
Riley echoes Joe's concerns, highlighting the complications of moving top scorers to quality teams.
Riley Herbst [03:07]: "When you plug that into a good team, do you get wins because of that? And you can see what happened with Bradley Beal..."
The conversation shifts to the challenges of maintaining high scoring efficiency on stronger teams, emphasizing that what works on a weaker team may not translate to success in a more competitive environment.
Joe [04:38]: "Cause you don't get to take all them bad shots. Especially when you have multiple good players on said teams."
Ocho brings in his experience from playing with the Phoenix Suns, discussing the necessity of efficiency when surrounded by elite teammates.
Ocho [05:26]: "Every time I took a shot, I wanted to make it count because I knew I wasn't gonna get many of them."
This insight underscores the balance players must find between personal performance and team dynamics to drive victories, rather than just individual statistics.
The hosts delve into a spirited debate about how warm climates contribute to producing top-tier athletes. They discuss the prevalence of elite players from states like California, Texas, Florida, and Georgia compared to regions with colder climates.
Joe [08:24]: "Look at where the best athletes come out of—warm weather states like California, Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, Florida..."
Riley counters by highlighting North Carolina's significant contribution to basketball talent, noting legends like Michael Jordan and Dominique Wilkins.
Riley Herbst [09:02]: "I guarantee you North Carolina might have the greatest basketball allotment of players."
A significant portion of the conversation centers around coaching influences, specifically Rick Carlisle's impact on player development and team strategy. The hosts compare Carlisle's methods to legendary coaches like Phil Jackson, emphasizing Carlisle's ability to elevate players like Tyrese Haliburton.
Isaiah Thomas [32:05]: "Rick Carlisle is a basketball savant, and that's why I'm picking and willing to put on the Pacers in game three."
Joe supports this by citing Carlisle's experience and adaptability, which have been pivotal in recent game strategies.
Joe [36:03]: "Rick Carlisle is bringing some old school stuff. This is a different style of basketball that OKC ain't used to playing against."
Adding a playful and competitive spirit to the episode, Unc and Ocho engage in a friendly lifting competition. The banter showcases their camaraderie and mutual respect, while also highlighting their commitment to fitness and strength training.
Riley Herbst [17:26]: "Look how slow and controlled. Nice and slow so I can feel everything."
Joe [17:33]: "The guy can't touch the bar."
The competition escalates with both Unc and Ocho challenging each other's lifting capacities, reflecting their dedication and competitive nature.
Riley Herbst [44:17]: "I work out every day like I'm finna get a phone call. You just never know."
Joe [46:15]: "I was squatting 650 when I was in the league, Joe. I worked out the lineman."
This segment not only provides entertainment but also emphasizes the importance of physical fitness in their athletic lifestyles.
Throughout the episode, personal stories and relationships add depth to the conversation. Riley recounts his experience at the Almond Joy Factory and networking events, highlighting the importance of building strong relationships in professional settings.
Riley Herbst [23:53]: "I took some really, really good meetings and met some great people and started some good relationships."
The hosts also share light-hearted moments and playful teasing, reinforcing their strong bond and the enjoyable atmosphere of the podcast.
As the episode nears its end, the conversation shifts to upcoming NBA finals, player strategies, and expectations for future games. The hosts analyze team performances, defensive strategies, and the potential for shifts in player roles to secure victories.
Ocho [37:25]: "We've got to come out with something else because I don't know what he ran tonight, but they ate that up."
Isaiah Thomas [35:23]: "I'm picking and willing to put on the Pacers in game three."
The discussion highlights the strategic adjustments teams must make to stay competitive, drawing parallels to historical coaching successes.
This episode of Club Shay Shay offers a multifaceted look into the world of basketball through the perspectives of Unc, Ocho, and Iso Joe. From in-depth analyses of player trades and team dynamics to personal fitness challenges and strategic discussions, listeners are treated to a rich and engaging conversation. The blending of professional insights with personal anecdotes ensures that both hardcore sports enthusiasts and casual listeners find value and enjoyment in the dialogue.
For those who haven't tuned in yet, this episode provides a comprehensive exploration of current NBA trends, the significance of coaching strategies, and the enduring bond between teammates and friends. Whether you're interested in the nitty-gritty of basketball or simply enjoy spirited conversations between friends, "Best of Unc, Ocho and Iso Joe Part 2" is a must-listen.