Canelo v Crawford Radio Row Live Part 1: Jim Gray, Caleb Plan, Antonio Tarver Join the Show!

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Canelo v Crawford Radio Row Live Part 1

Date: September 12, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe (with rotating co-hosts, boxing analysts, and guests)
Featured Guests: Jim Gray, Caleb Plant, Antonio Tarver

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Episode Overview

In this special Radio Row episode, NFL Hall of Famer Shannon Sharpe hosts a star-studded panel to break down the much-anticipated Canelo Alvarez vs. Terence “Bud” Crawford superfight. Taped live from fight week festivities, Shannon and his guests (broadcasting legend Jim Gray, super middleweight contender Caleb Plant, former world champ Antonio Tarver) explore what’s at stake for both fighters, the significance for modern boxing, and dive deeply into the evolution of the sport’s culture—especially the obsession with "the zero" in fighters’ records. The conversation weaves through personal stories, boxing history, strategy talk, and vibrant banter, all peppered with memorable quotes and sharp insights.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Magnitude of Canelo vs. Crawford

• Historic Fight: Everyone acknowledges the magnitude—Crawford moving up essentially three weight classes to challenge Canelo at 168lb (super middleweight), a scenario rarely seen in modern boxing.
• Buzz Comparison: It’s compared to legendary bouts like Mayweather/Pacquiao and Tyson fights, with huge expectations and a crowd the size of a Super Bowl, per Jim Gray (25:17).
• Quote:

  "This is one of the bigger fights, Ocho, that we’ve seen in a very long time. Bud Crawford going up two weight classes to take on Canelo, the undisputed champ at 168. So I’m excited about this."
  — Shannon Sharpe (04:38)

2. Strategic Considerations: How Can Bud Win?

• Weight Class Risks: Analysts are nervous about Bud moving up, emphasizing there are "weight classes for a reason."

• Keys for Bud: Bud must outbox Canelo, avoid a slugfest, leverage his footwork, and not get drawn into midrange exchanges where Canelo is most dangerous (08:21, 10:45, 45:35).

• Stamina & Power: While Bud may feel healthier not having to cut to 147, Canelo is naturally bigger and has proven punch resistance.

• Historical Reference: Comparisons to how Mayweather beat Canelo—timing, counterpunching, not standing in the pocket.

• Quote:

  “You got to fight smart. That’s why Floyd…was able to time everything that he threw came back. That’s how Bud is going to have to fight him. Bud is going to have to look to counter everything…”
  — Shannon Sharpe (08:35)

• Quote:

  “Bud has to outbox him, no slugfest, no ego. He has to put on a boxing clinic.”
  — Boxing Analyst (10:30)

3. Canelo’s Strengths & Fight Approach

• Canelo’s Power: Well-known for sitting down on punches, intent on knockout shots. Analysts remind listeners not to underestimate Canelo’s defense and body attack, both called essential to watch (83:09).
• Criticism and Motivation: If Canelo wins, he’ll want to silence critics who say his opponents are over the hill (09:07).

4. The Cultural Shift in Boxing: The Value of Zero

• Floyd Mayweather’s Influence: Lively debate on “the zero.” Jim Gray says Floyd “ruined the sport” by making the zero (an undefeated record) the sole measure of greatness and marketability (27:31).

• Era Comparison: Fighters of the ‘70s and ‘80s routinely lost and remained legends; today, one loss can affect purses and desirability as “A-side” in negotiations (30:07, 71:46).

• Quote:

  "Floyd Mayweather ruined this sport...because the only thing that mattered was the zero."
  — Jim Gray (27:31)

• Caleb Plant Perspective: Plant, who lost his last fight but remains popular, underscores that real greatness isn’t in protecting a perfect record, but testing yourself against the best (49:19).

• Quote:

  "Greatness is not tied to a zero...that's not greatness. That's the witness protection program."
  — Caleb Plant (50:11)

5. The Role of Promoters & Netflix in Modern Boxing

• Fight-Making Obstacles: Promotional and network allegiances often hamper the best fights from being made. This cross-promotional Canelo-Crawford event on Netflix is described as a critical shift (25:17, 31:14).
• Promoting Risk-Taking: Recent investments and new backers like Turki Alalshikh are encouraging more blockbuster matchups, but fighters must embrace risk on their own (48:41).

6. The Role of Legacy and Fighters' Mindset

• Defining Legacy: The panel laments that “legacy” often gets overshadowed by commercial interests—but note that the biggest money fights almost always coincide with legacy-defining moments (55:12).
• Fighters Who Take Risks: Antonio Tarver and Plant both stress the value of fighting top contenders, not “protecting the O.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

Jim Gray on Meeting Muhammad Ali

"My first interview was Muhammad Ali as a videotape editor...I was 17 years old.…Ali gave me 45 minutes. First question I asked him, he said, 'You doing this interview, you don't even shave well.'”
— Jim Gray (15:52 - 16:54)

On the Power of Likability

"What’s the one thing you can’t replace in life? And that’s likability.…You couldn’t help but like him [Ali]."
— Jim Gray (23:00)

On the Importance of Fights Like Canelo vs. Crawford

“The institution needs this. The best fighting the best...and it’s going to be over at Allegiant Stadium. It’s going to be the biggest crowd in the history of Nevada to watch a fight.”
— Jim Gray (25:17)

The Changing Attitude Toward Losses

"Boxing should not have been...Floyd ruined this sport...the only thing that mattered was the zero."
— Jim Gray (27:31)

“But we did that too, though, because if a guy loses a fight, we throw him to the wayside.”
— Shannon Sharpe (27:58)

Caleb Plant on “Fighting For Legacy”

“My dad used to say people like legacy or money. The legacy fights are the big money fights.…You can get both in the same night.”
— Caleb Plant (55:12)

Antonio Tarver on Keys for Crawford

“If Canelo is having success to the body early, that spells trouble for Crawford....You can be in the best shape, but them body shots will take your conditioning away from you.”
— Antonio Tarver (83:10)

“Matador and the bull…that’s the formula for Bud winning this fight.”
— Antonio Tarver (83:54)

Panel on Crawford's Path

“If Crawford were to pull this off, where would you rank this as far as upsets?”
— Host (32:50)
“It’s not Buster Douglas against Mike Tyson...perhaps it’s Holyfield over Tyson.”
— Jim Gray (32:59-33:21)

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Roundtable Strategy & Technical Breakdown

• Can Bud Take Canelo’s Power?
  • The recurring question throughout: Can Crawford absorb Canelo’s punches? Panelists point out Crawford’s mentality isn’t to run, and his skill set, including range and ability to switch stances, gives him a shot if he boxes smart and avoids the “danger zone.”
• How Should Bud Approach It?
  • Caleb Plant: “Either boxed on the outside, or all the way inside. He doesn’t need to be at midrange…smother or box on the inside, but stay close or stay far.” (45:33)
• What Can Go Wrong for Each Guy?
  • If Crawford can't keep Canelo off with his power, it’s a rough night. If Canelo can’t cut the ring and saps his energy chasing Bud, upset alert (82:53).
• Mid-Fight Adjustments:
  • Tarver: “Don’t get greedy. Get yours and get on out. You can’t stay too long because this boy got pop … stay off the ropes.” (86:17)
  • “Rounds that Canelo takes off...you need to be active and understanding.” (89:43)

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Reflections on Boxing’s Past, Present & Future

• The panel draws from history, referencing Ali, Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, and recent fights (Mayweather–Pacquiao) to describe how legacy has been built on risk—not just an undefeated record.
• Plant, Tarver, and Sharpe hammer the point: Wins over top contenders are what last, not a perfect record against handpicked foes.
• Quote:

  “You won’t know until you get in there…sometimes greatness is not about a zero. It’s about legacy. It’s about fighting the best.”
  — Shannon Sharpe (68:13)

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Rapid Fire and Memorable Interactions

• Dream Matchups & Banter:
  • Multiple playful calls for exhibitions between hosts, analysts, and fighters (“I’m gonna fight Andre Ward!” “He has a punchable face!”), mixing levity amid serious discussion (32:19, 51:59).
• Jake Paul’s Impact:
  • All guests tip their hat to Jake Paul for bringing new fans to boxing, even if not yet fighting elite boxers (53:34–54:19).

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------|--------------| | Introduction of the Canelo–Crawford fight | 04:38 | | Strategy around Bud’s move up in weight | 05:15-11:08 | | Jim Gray’s Muhammad Ali stories | 15:39-21:10 | | Debate on “protecting the O” | 27:22-31:54 | | Caleb Plant’s technical and legacy thoughts | 43:39-55:39 | | Antonio Tarver joins, talks keys to victory | 80:05-84:57 | | Final strategy breakdown (conditioning, risk) | 86:17-92:47 |

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Language & Tone

The tone remains conversational, passionate, and friendly with occasional playful roasts (“That’s the witness protection program”—Caleb Plant, 50:11). Shannon is energetic, drawing from his own experience as an elite pro athlete to relate to his guests—thoughtful, analytical, yet always keeping the vibe lively and fun.

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Summary Takeaways

• Canelo vs. Crawford is hailed as a match boxing desperately needs—elite vs. elite, with real risks and legacy on the line.
• The sport’s shift toward “protecting the O” is criticized; most of these champions believe greatness is proven through taking on the best, win or lose.
• Bud Crawford’s path to victory depends on all-out boxing skill, strategy, and avoiding the bigger man’s power.
• The new era, driven by promoters featuring cross-promotional fights on major global platforms (like Netflix), could mark a major turning point for boxing if fighters embrace risk for glory.
• The panel’s blend of humor, history, and sharp fight breakdowns make this a can’t-miss pre-fight discussion for any fan.

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For those who haven’t listened: If you want spirited, deeply knowledgeable, and at times hilarious boxing debate—centered on the storylines and meaning of Canelo v. Crawford—this episode is your essential preview. Boxer, broadcaster, and athlete perspectives mesh to offer context, technical insights, and big-picture perspective on where boxing’s been, and where it may be headed.

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[Boxing Analyst]

Listen, I'm very excited. It's one of the biggest, biggest draws, one of the biggest gates since Pacquiao and Mayweather. So I'm excited. The buzz around the fight, the promotion around the fight, what Turki Ali has been able to do in making boxing great again, creating fights that people want to see. I'm excited for the fight, Bud. Going up two way classes, obviously, I'm kind of nervous. I'm kind of nervous being realistic, understanding the gate, understanding the game of boxing, understanding the sweet science. They have weight classes for a reason.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Boxing Analyst]

But if there's anybody that can make history and has a mentality to do so, and the skill set is Bud Crawford.

[Host]

I think Bud is looking at it from, from this standpoint. He's saying, finally, I don't have to strip down. Bud probably walks around at 180, 185 and he's stripping down to 147. He said, Now I ain't got to strip down, but to 168. Yes. So I'm going to have more strength, I'm going to have more power. I'm not going to be in a weakened state come fight night.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Host]

The thing you know that you have to respect most about Floyd Mayweather and people like, well, Floyd, Floyd is a naturally small man. Floyd was dropping five pounds. Floyd walk around weight is 155. He's dropping down to 1, 147. So flood Floyd also, he trained year round. He didn't allow his weight to fluctuate so much. Right. So what you saw Floyd for the most part was his natural weight. So he was able to fight basically his whole career, 140, 147. He did go up to a junior middleweight 154 to challenge Oscar de La Hoya. But for the most part, Floyd is a naturally small man, but is a big guy.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

People don't realize if you were to.

[Boxing Analyst]

See him, you got to get up on him. You got to get up on him.

[Host]

If you were to see him in person, then you'll have a better understanding that he's not a 147. No, he fights at that. But he could have fought most of his career at junior middleweight or maybe even middleweight at 160. But I think the thing is, for Me, Ocho is that seeing Bud really only have one fight at 54.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

So basically this is a three weight jump. He fought most of his career at 147. So he jumps 54, he jumps 60. Go. Lands at 168. Where for the most part, Canelo has fought his entire career at this weight. He fought Floyd, well, I think fought Floyd at 54, but he's been a 60, 68 fighter for the better part of his career. And the question that everybody has, and I think it's naturally. So Bud is saying I didn't have to strip it all the way down to the bones to make 47.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Host]

So I feel. I feel stronger. I feel that I'm going to have my. Still have my quickness. And everybody keeps asking me, how is, how is. I'm. How am I going to take a punch? How are they going to take my stuff? I'm, I'm. You got to realize there's two people in this ring.

[Boxing Analyst]

I understand that. But also Bud has to realize we talk about Canelo. Canelo's fought triple G. He's fought baval. He's. He's fought punchers. Now the thing that most people are worried about is him going up to weight classes and having to deal with the power. But, but Canelo. Canelo sits on every punch, right? And the timing, if, if bug and time it. Because in order for Canelo to punch, he has to sit. Yes, he has to sit.

[Host]

He's not one that you can't throw power without sitting.

[Boxing Analyst]

Exactly. And he sits and he telegraphs almost every punch. And he, he, he. He punches with intent to hurt.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Boxing Analyst]

Every time.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Boxing Analyst]

So a Bug can. Can pick and choose, win, engage, win the box, box smart. Obviously has a great, great ring iq. I think he's going to be okay. He going to have to outbox Canelo.

[Host]

Yes.

[Boxing Analyst]

No slug fest. No, no, no. Ego. I can sit here. No, no, no, no. You got to fight smart.

[Host]

That's why Floyd was. Now, he was younger when he fought Floyd, but Floyd was able to time. Everything that he threw came back.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Host]

And Floyd already knew where the punches were coming from. So you trying to sit down on punches and hit on Floyd. Floyd's like, I got something for you. That's how Bud is going to have to fight him. Bud is going to have to look to counter everything, knowing that the punches are a little slower when you sit down because they're not as fast. But like you said, he got power. Yeah, he got dynamite in his hand. Now he, he's he's looking to turn the lights out of the building. He wants to put on a perfect a performance.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Host]

Because people like, man, Canelo, you know, Canelo just fighting these guys and he's fighting these guys that are past their prime and that. You look at his resume, you're like, yeah, but look at the guy. He's already. He had lost three of his last four fights.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Host]

He was 36 years of age when he fought Canelo. So Canelo is probably going to look out here to make, make a statement. He. Because if he beats Crawford, he's going to say, what are you going to say now? Yeah, people are going to look. When you, when you're great at something, people are going to nitpick.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

AB People are going to say, well, you fought Crawford, he was 38. You didn't fight Crawford at 30. You didn't fight Crawford at 32. You didn't fight Crawford at 20. So you. They're going to find something to nitpick. They did the same thing with Floyd. They said, well, Floyd, look at who Floyd beat. But look at when he fought him. He fought him when they wanted to fight. And so I think it's going to be the same thing with Canelo. But I'm expecting an outstanding fight.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Absolutely.

[Host]

You know, the one thing I do know, he's not going to back down.

[Boxing Analyst]

No, absolutely not.

[Host]

He's not going to be. So sometimes don't you. You got to swallow your prize and look here, I'm trying to win the fight. Are you trying to win the fight or you're trying to prove a point? Yeah, because if you're trying to prove a point, I don't think sitting in the pocket and going toe to toe with Canelo is not the way to do it.

[Boxing Analyst]

No, I mean, the common sense, common sense, understanding, obviously, going up two way, have weight classes for a reason. For those of you who watch the. Who watch boxing, who understand the street science, you have to outsmart him. Yes, technically, Canelo is one of the most gifted. Whether it's offensively or defensively, his defense is great and his defense at times is his offense. And offensively, he can be a juggernaut. When he sits on punches, bud, ego aside, pride aside, he has to put on a boxing clinic similar to what Mayweather was able to do, even though their skill sets are different.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Boxing Analyst]

He has. He has to outbox him.

[Host]

Go back and look at when Ali, when Ali fought Foreman in the Rumble in the Jungle, he didn't sit in the pocket. No, he let him tie himself out and then boom. Look at Sugar Ray when he fought Hagler at 160, he's like, Nah, I'm not sitting in the pocket, bro. Hey, he flurried the last 15, 20 seconds. Crowd going crazy. The judge like, oh, I think Sugar Ray won that round, huh?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

That's how you're going to have to fight. You don't look, prove the point by look, I took this fight, I moved up two weight classes. I fought somebody that somebody at a lower weight didn't think I could beat, right. And so now here I am doing what many thought I couldn't do. So at the end of the day, if they raise your hand victorious, that's all that matter. Nobody is going to remember how they just going to remember, man. Man, bud be Canelo made history and he moved up two classes to get it done. So you have to be exact excited, ecstatic about that. I'm excited about this.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

Most definitely. Most definitely.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

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Oh, my goodness. It's great to see you guys.

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Good to see you. Look, Jim, you've covered the Sport of boxing 40, 40 years about being conservative.

[Jim Gray]

50, 1977. What is that? 48 years?

[Host]

I love it.

[Jim Gray]

My first interview was Muhammad Ali as a videotape editor.

[Boxing Analyst]

What was that like? I've watched the clips. He was so savvy with his wordplay. What was that like in person?

[Jim Gray]

So it opened all the doors for all of this for me. I was a videotape editor. They were converting from film to videotape. Now we have all this digital, so people don't even know what film was.

[Host]

Okay.

[Jim Gray]

And I was at the ABC Bureau in Denver. And they. All the guys in the union who were with the film, they took the buyout. They took the union buyout. So they hired a bunch of young people.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes, sir.

[Jim Gray]

I was 17 years old.

[Host]

Wow.

[Jim Gray]

So I was editing. I was in my booth at 7am editing the Broncos with Red Miller getting ready for the draft. And Ali was coming to town. He was going to fight Leon Spinks and he was going to fight Lyle Alzado in an exhibition, okay, At Mile High Stadium, their stadium, back at the time. So they came running at seven. Ali's two and a half hours early. You know something about sports. Go interview him. I was dressed like this, no sport going. I had a T shirt, ran out to Stapleton International Airport, interviewed ali, gave me 45 minutes.

[Host]

Wow.

[Jim Gray]

Came back. First question I asked him, he said, you doing this interview, you don't even shave well, that the whole entourage was there. Bundini and for everybody was there. And everybody started to laugh. So it relaxed me. Started to laugh. After the fourth question, he gave me the nicest compliment I ever had. He said, you sound like the local Howard Cosell. So anyway, I took it back. Make a long story short, I was editing myself out. They weren't going to put me on abc, they were going to put me on, right? So the head of the bureau walked in there. His name was Roger Ogden. He didn't even know my name. He said, I want to see this Ali tape. He stayed in there for an hour and a half. Yeah, an hour and a half. He got up and he said, you and this videotape are going on the air. It's barely adequate. So when I got into the Boxing hall of Fame several years ago in the Basketball hall of Fame, I said, somehow barely adequate. Ended up here. But what happened was. So Ali did the interview. And back in those days, ABC was connected underground by the fiber optics to all the stations. There was a man named Frank Reynolds, who was World News Tonight before Peter Jennings and Ted Koppel. David Muir does it now, but he sat in that chair, he saw this go across on abc. Def was daily electronic feed. So they put it on the ABC Def. He saw it, he took it down. He put it on World News Tonight. Ali having a good time with the 17 year old kid. And Ali saw it in Houston on the next stop of his press tour. And he saw what a good time. So then Ali had me come and interview him before and after all the rest of his fights. And it opened all the.

[Host]

That's how you got the relationship with Muhammad.

[Jim Gray]

It Opened all the doors everywhere. And then he let me do his last interview that he ever did in public on espn. We took Mary Lou Retton, who revolutionized sports for the women. Ray Leonard, who patterned his whole life after Sugar after Ali. Carl Lewis, who is still the most decorated track and field Olympian with nine gold medals. And we went the night before Michael Phelps. We went up to Stanford. We went the night before Michael Phelps left for the Greece Olympics in 2004. He'd never won a medal. We bet on him and we did an interview. The five of us, America's greatest living Olympians. And at the end of it, Ali's last words, we had a torch flown in from Athens. Just like Ali lit the torch in 96 in Atlanta. We had the torch in. Ali got up out of his chair, handed the torch to Michael Phelps. He said, I'm the greatest, you're the latest. It's up to you. Go win all those medals.

[Boxing Analyst]

Wow, that's dope.

[Host]

That was 2004. That was Phelps's first Olympics.

[Jim Gray]

His first Olympics was Sydney.

[Host]

Okay.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jim Gray]

He finished fifth. He didn't win any medals. And then he went ahead and won all those medals. Obviously Beijing is Rio. Yeah, finished up.

[Boxing Analyst]

As long as you've been doing boxing, has there ever been a boxer that has been more media savvy, more creative, more charismatic as Ali? Have you seen anything even close?

[Jim Gray]

There hasn't been a person on the planet, not a person on the planet like this. This was the most first of all. He was so accomplished.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Jim Gray]

And he was excellent. Okay, so then he had that ability to connect with everybody.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

He did.

[Jim Gray]

And it didn't matter whether it was the chairman of the board or the janitor, he had time for everybody. I've never saw Muhammad in a hurry.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Jim Gray]

And I got to go all over with him. And he looked you in the eye and he cared. He cared. He wasn't, it wasn't a one way exchange. And he, he had self awareness. So he knew what he meant when he was talking to you and it meant something to him.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Jim Gray]

So no, you know, him and him and Nelson Mandela. The most remarkable people I've ever met and been around. Obviously I didn't know President Mandela, but I got to interview him. But Muhammad Ali being around him was just total joy. And Lonnie, I mean just the whole, everything about him.

[Host]

Jim, you mentioned that, the accomplishments and he was a great amateur. And he goes to in 60 in Rome. He wins the gold medal. And then was that 63 that he beat Sonny Liston? What Year was that he beat 19.

[Jim Gray]

Yeah. Well, when he shocked the world and then he had the rematch. Yes. 64.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jim Gray]

Yeah.

[Host]

And so when you, you think Ghost.

[Jim Gray]

In Maine was the second one, Miami the first.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

Louis, the main. Yes. When he would, like, he would literally tell you what he was going to do.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

He would go do it. People like how he. He's so. And it turned some people off because we like athletes. Humble. He was far from that.

[Boxing Analyst]

Far from it.

[Jim Gray]

Well, he, he had a lot. He had a lot of detractors. You know his, his stance against the Vietnam War.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Jim Gray]

Like, he wasn't. He was vindicated by the Supreme Court.

[Host]

Correct.

[Jim Gray]

But he wasn't vindicated by the public until they found out all the information later. So the stand that he took was very, very unpopular.

[Host]

Yes.

[Jim Gray]

In fact, we have the hall of Excellence. And Shannon, thank you so much for coming. Tom Brady and I opened a museum here in the Fontainebleau Hotel. And we have his gloves from George Chevalo. And the reason those gloves are so important, he wasn't given a license to fight in America. He had to go to Canada to fight George Chevalo. And he called it his toughest fight ever. And he won the fight. But Ali stood up. He had a social conscience. He stood up for black America. He stood up for all of America. And he stood up for those who couldn't speak. And he had a voice and he was braggadocious.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Jim Gray]

And, you know, now we don't even think about it with social media. Everybody's saying everything all the time, but his words meant something. All these other words. Right now, I don't want to say they're meaningless because we can't put people's words into that category.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Jim Gray]

But they don't have the same effect as it had back then.

[Host]

Correct.

[Boxing Analyst]

The funny thing back then is Ali did it and Jim, he did it at a time when it was frowned upon. Where you're not supposed to have that kind of freedom, where you're not supposed to have that kind of platform, let alone power or voice. That's so. Anytime Ali said something and he had such a way with words. He had such a way with words and being able to put things together. And in that it was. I don't even know how to put it into words because I haven't seen anything like it. That's why I asked you the question. He was so good at what he did and he. He was self aware. That's the only thing I could. That's the only other word I Can think. He was so self aware.

[Jim Gray]

You know what?

[Host]

You can't remember the 60s. That's the smack dab in the heart of the civil rights movement.

[Jim Gray]

Yeah. But you know what else is? And you. You guys notice.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Jim Gray]

What's the one thing you can't replace in life? And that's likability.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jim Gray]

Okay. When you were in front of him, you couldn't help but like him. You may have hated everything you stood for.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Jim Gray]

But when you were with him, you were smiling, you were laughing, you were educated, you were all those things. Entertained, inspired, everything that you want. So you couldn't. You couldn't help but have respect.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right?

[Jim Gray]

Because you had to pay attention. And. And when. And when you know you're likable. Okay. You're likable. I don't know.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jim Gray]

You can't put your finger on why either.

[Host]

You are.

[Jim Gray]

You are. If you're not, you're phony.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Jim Gray]

Okay. That doesn't mean everybody in life who's not, you know, But I mean, there's. There's that it factor or whatever it is, you know, you smile.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Jim Gray]

There's Shannon.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jim Gray]

Okay. I'm not. And I'm not comparing him to Ali, but I'm just saying likability is very important. Exactly.

[Host]

It's probably the most important thing. You know, when you're great, when you're more popular in death than you ever were in life. You look at Ali, you look at Dr. King, you look at Malcolm X, you look at Abe Lincoln, you look at some of these great figures, and you. They were not at the time they were living. They were never what they became in death.

[Jim Gray]

It's an interesting concept, you know. You know, Nelson Mandela got to go over and spend time with him and interview him and, you know, he was a boxer. Did you know that?

[Host]

I did not know that.

[Jim Gray]

You know that. Yes. And you know why they put him in the quarry? They wanted to ruin his vocations. They wanted to wreck his hands, so they put him in the quarry. But he was a big fight fan. And anyway, he had a fight over there in South Africa. Anyway, got to spend time with him. The great Larry King introduced me to him and took me to. To meet him and got to spend. And, you know, he said that Maya Angelou wrote something for us, a speech on reconciliation, which is the most simplistically brilliant thing I'd ever heard. He said, people will forget what you say and people will forget what you do, but no one will ever forget the way you make Them feel when you were with Ali, you felt better about your you and better about him. Think about that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jim Gray]

How many people you walk away from in life today that when you leave him, you say, that sure feels good.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

Jim, this fight, you've been around some great fights. I mean, Sugar Ray and Marvin Hagler and the Tyson era, when there's nothing like a heavyweight fight. Do you notice the buzz with Canelo Crawford? Is this what boxing kind of needed it?

[Jim Gray]

Needed it bad. The institution needs this. The best fighting the best. Okay. Yes. They're not both at the same weight and Bud's taking a risk coming up.

[Host]

Huge risk coming up.

[Jim Gray]

You know, he's also getting well compensated and he feels that the risk is worth the reward and the reward will be great if he can pull this off. But it needs this. Yes, we need the best fighting the best. And we don't have that so often. You know, promoters and all these folks who get involved in this, you know, they've been provincial for whatever the reason, and they've stayed true to their guys, who they promote on their networks where they have licensing deals. This has crossed all of these lines. It's on Netflix. The whole world can tune this in. Yes, the millions upon millions here. And it's going to be over at Allegiant Stadium, where the Raiders play in an NFL stadium. It's going to be the biggest crowd in the history of Nevada to watch a fight. And look who's fought here. Ali's fought here, Holmes has fought here. Hagler's fodder, Hearns, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Tyson. The great Mike Tyson. I mean, so when you look at what this is, yes, the institution needs this. The institution has been suffering. And now you've got Dana White and Turkey and they're putting together this fight. And by doing this, you know, it's bringing people to see the best. We can't assess what the fight is afterward. We can't say it's one of the great fights of all time until we see it through.

[Host]

Exactly.

[Jim Gray]

So we don't know that. I mean, I did a fight over here at Mandalay Bay. Greatest fight I ever saw. Castillo, Corales.

[Host]

Oh, yeah.

[Jim Gray]

Oh, there were 5,100 people there. And they play that back now on YouTube and all over when we were back at Showtime. It's the greatest fight ever, had no business with. Nobody thought that before. So we can't say what this is going to be until, you know, till it happens, till, you know, Saturday night at midnight.

[Boxing Analyst]

So do you think the the resurgence of the sport of boxing, it's happening now because of Turkey's interest in the sport now and being able to make some of the great fights that we. Myself, a huge boxing fan. Do you think him being interested in boxing has allowed now, boxers wanting to take that chance and most of them not taking a chance because they don't want that zero. Nobody wants to lose.

[Jim Gray]

It certainly helped a lot, but, you know, the zero doesn't define you. How many games did the. Did the Philadelphia Eagles lose last year?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Jim Gray]

How many? I don't know. What was it, four or five?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jim Gray]

I can't remember. We can't even remember, right? Okay. This isn't, you know, boxing should not have been. Floyd ruined this sport. Floyd Mayweather ruined this sport. I don't mean that personally. I love him personally and I love his accomplishments and his achievements. And he was great to me. He was great to Showtime, and I'm friends with him to this day and I admire and respect him, but he ruined the sport because the only thing that mattered was the zero.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Jim Gray]

Okay. And so what did that do to all of these other fighters?

[Host]

But we do that too, though, because if a guy lose a fight, we throw him to the. Throw him to the wayside, not jam.

[Jim Gray]

Well, it's not the NCAA tournament. It shouldn't be that. I know, look at when Duran and Hagler and Hearns and Leonard and all these guys fighting each other all the time.

[Host]

But we did. We didn't criticize them. When they lost. Sugar Ray lost to Duran, we didn't criticize it when Hearns lost to Leonard, we didn't criticize it when Hagler lost, we didn't criticize him. These guys lose. Not if Shakur. But why now?

[Jim Gray]

Why?

[Host]

We're going to criticize them if Tank Davis.

[Jim Gray]

Why are you doing that?

[Host]

Because I've been following. I've been following the fight, right? I, I came. I'm old enough to remember the 80s when they had the Four Horsemen and they fought the best. Fought the best.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Best.

[Host]

It wasn't no ducking and dodging in the 70s. The heavyweight, Norton fault. Foreman fought.

[Jim Gray]

We didn't get mad at Frazier when Foreman beat him three times, right?

[Host]

Well, no, Foreman fought Ali three times.

[Jim Gray]

No, no, Frazier fought Ali three times. Foreman and Frazier fought once.

[Host]

That was enough.

[Jim Gray]

Yes, he damn near went through the rough.

[Host]

That was it.

[Jim Gray]

But I'll tell you. But we didn't diminish what Joe had accomplished or what he could do in the future. It was a setback.

[Host]

But why do we do that. Jim, Jim, you've been around this thing for 45 decades.

[Jim Gray]

I'm not sure where all that turned and I'm not sure why. I can't pinpoint it. And I don't really mean to blame Floyd, but. Floyd.

[Host]

No, no, no. Floyd is great. Floyd.

[Jim Gray]

But think about where the zeros have only mattered in a career. Think about that. 7, 16, whatever. 14 and oh, then 17 and O. Don Shula and the Miami Dolphins.

[Host]

Yes.

[Jim Gray]

Okay, so then they. That defined their lives.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jim Gray]

Okay. Not that he was the greatest coach in the history with 347 wins.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Jim Gray]

It was the undefeated season. So maybe it was 72 night.

[Host]

He's the last one. 76 with 1976. When it went undefeated, the Hoosiers.

[Jim Gray]

But you know, who never defined. I don't want to interrupt you.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Go ahead.

[Jim Gray]

You know, never defined themselves by winning or. Never mentioned the word win once. Never once mentioned the word win to his team. John Wooden.

[Host]

Wow.

[Jim Gray]

And he won. What do you have? Three undefeated seasons and 10 national championships. And Bill Walton and Kareem and all these guys. Jamal Wilkes.

[Boxing Analyst]

The difference is, is the era of boxing that you're talking. The era of boxing that you started out. You think about the era of boxing that we're in now. I think fighters are scared to take the chances because it ruins being the A side, having a loss or one or maybe two, or maybe three. It ruins your purse, what you're able to command. So I think it's the financial reasons on what. Why they don't want to take those chances. And I think again, with Turkey coming into the game now, Dana White being a part and all the different sponsors and advertisers, I think more boxers are going to be willing to take chances against opponents that are just as skilled, that are not as flawed, and you're not fighting inferior opponents anymore. And you're giving the people, the fans, fights. We really want to see. I really want to see Shakur Stevenson and tfomo Lopez.

[Jim Gray]

Absolutely.

[Boxing Analyst]

I really want to see that.

[Jim Gray]

Well, you know, here's. Here's what it is. It needs a model that can work. The other model hasn't worked. If the other model worked, we'd still be on Showtime. HBO would still be in the game. ESPN wouldn't have gotten out of Top Rank.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Jim Gray]

You know, we wouldn't have what we have. And so it needs a drastic shift to get to a place where we can see it. And what happens when this doesn't work? We don't have people coming up in the pipeline.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Jim Gray]

Like because they can't get exposed. So if you don't know any of these people fighting, why would you go buy a ticket?

[Host]

Yeah, true.

[Jim Gray]

So it needs this. And, and, and so it's at the right time. And you know, and, and by the way, there's been disruption in everything. Look at the disruption in television and streaming and podcasts and radio. I mean, just look at how everything has changed. So boxing has to go with it and it hasn't. And now the time may be right. I hope so.

[Boxing Analyst]

Speaking of great fight, speaking of boxing, there's a great fight coming up that I want to make sure that you're there to announce.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Unk.

[Boxing Analyst]

I'm fighting on behalf of us, and I want to know your thoughts on Jim. I want to fight Andre Ward. 10 round, 10 rounds, 3 minute rounds. What do you think is gonna happen? Wait, before you say anything, did you.

[Jim Gray]

Get to wear your helmet?

[Boxing Analyst]

No, no, no, I'm not wearing my helmet, but I'm gonna beat his ass.

[Host]

What, what's the, what's the problem?

[Boxing Analyst]

He has a punchable face.

[Jim Gray]

Oh, my goodness.

[Boxing Analyst]

So I just want to know how you think that fight's gonna turn out. Six months. Six. Six months of training. We're gonna fight here.

[Jim Gray]

It's a very famous saying.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jim Gray]

I'm on your show, so I want to be a good guest. You don't play boxing.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

No, you don't.

[Jim Gray]

So you can't play boxing. You can play football.

[Boxing Analyst]

Yeah.

[Jim Gray]

You can play baseball.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jim Gray]

You don't play boxing.

[Boxing Analyst]

No, you don't. You don't. I understand.

[Jim Gray]

Think this one through.

[Boxing Analyst]

Yeah, I did, I did. I thought.

[Host]

Jim, let me ask you this. If Crawford were to pull this off, where would you rank this as far as upsets in the world of boxing?

[Jim Gray]

Wow. That's a good one. That's a very good one. Well, it's not Buster Douglas because the man's 41 0.

[Host]

Okay.

[Jim Gray]

So it's not Buster Douglas against Mike Tyson. So it doesn't go up into that.

[Host]

We thought was not Rocky Balboa. Okay.

[Jim Gray]

Some guy we never heard of. We, we know Bud Crawford and we know he's great. Okay. You know, perhaps it's Holyfield over Tyson.

[Host]

Wow.

[Jim Gray]

Perhaps it's Holyfield over Tyson. The first fight.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Jim Gray]

Not the year. Biting.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Jim Gray]

Because I don't think anybody saw that coming.

[Host]

No, no.

[Jim Gray]

And, and Holyfield was an accomplished fighter who'd done great.

[Host]

Yes.

[Jim Gray]

Know cruiserweight champion and so forth. And, you know, so that might be a good comparison. What do you think of that?

[Host]

Roy Ruiz Roy moving up from 68 to. And he ended up weighing at 193, gained 25 pounds. He took the heavyweight title from John Ruiz. I'm trying to think of guys that have moved.

[Jim Gray]

Ruiz wasn't in the. Canelo.

[Host]

No, not, not even.

[Jim Gray]

Right. He had won. What? He won one. He won Moody, beat.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Jim Gray]

Deontay.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jim Gray]

Or whoever he had beaten Joshua. Yeah, Beat Joshua.

[Host]

What about Sphinx over Ali?

[Jim Gray]

Well, that was huge. That was big. That was big.

[Host]

But I'm old enough to remember that.

[Jim Gray]

Again, Again, Again. That was a guy who'd had very little fights.

[Host]

Yes.

[Jim Gray]

And, you know, he was an Olympic champion, and so there was hope for him.

[Host]

Yes.

[Jim Gray]

And. But, but, but, but Bud Crawford is. Bud Crawford is, Is huge.

[Host]

Is really accomplished.

[Jim Gray]

So, so, so he's not in the. He's not in the. Leon sp. Being scattered.

[Host]

No, no, no, no.

[Jim Gray]

I mean, moving up in weight, it look, it's tough. And Canelo found that out against Bevo.

[Host]

Yes.

[Jim Gray]

You know, look, he thought he was going to pick a fight that he was going to win. All right? And the guy was bigger and stronger and he had a better night.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jim Gray]

And so that's a hard. But I kind of like. I kind of like Holyfield over Tyson because Holyfield was accomplished.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right? Yeah.

[Host]

Handicap this. What. What do you think? You think it goes the distance? You think somebody ends it?

[Jim Gray]

Well, nobody's gone down, so I don't know what would. Cause I don't see how Bud Crawford can hurt Canelo. I just don't see it. He might outbox him and he might out point him, and he might. He might do all of those things. But it's hard to see Canelo going down to Bud Crawford, a smaller guy.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Jim Gray]

Now, the interesting thing about this is Bud's three years older, but he's only fought half as many rounds. So he has. So Canelo has so much more experience, but he's also been punished more. Yes, he's taken on. And if you look back over the past seven years, you know, Canelo's. You know, who's he beat. But then you can look at Bud and you can say who's he fought. He fought Errol Spence after he flipped his car 19 times.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Jim Gray]

And he was damaged.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jim Gray]

And this isn't to take away because they're only fighting the people who are in front.

[Host]

In front of you.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right, Right.

[Jim Gray]

And so that you.

[Host]

We love to see. We rewind the hands of time and put a. A prime Sugar Ray. A prime, you know, Hearns and all those red. But that ain't happening. You got to fight who's in your era. And, and the era of fighters that we had in the 80s in that division, in that class, it's just not there anymore.

[Jim Gray]

See, we let the other one bake too long. Floyd against Pacquiao. That was the last big fight that we had really in Los Angeles. Vegas, you could say, you know, look, Wilder and Fury, I don't know how Deontay Wilder, he hit that guy. I still don't know how Fury got up.

[Host]

That was Frankie Flush Flush.

[Jim Gray]

But that guy got up somehow. I mean Jack Reese helped. Jack Reese literally like counted to 23. It was supposed to be a. I mean, come on, who are you?

[Caleb Plant]

Who am I? Where are we?

[Host]

Where does your dad count?

[Jim Gray]

What, what car does your dad drive? I mean, what are you asking all these questions? You walk in the back of it, either you can get up and 10 or you can, either you can fight or you can't. Jack Reese, that was terrible. Jack Reese did a terrible job that night but accomplished official, accomplished referee. But that was bad. But, but you could argue that that was, you know, there was some compelling to that, but we really haven't had anything quite since Pacquiao and Mayweather and unfortunately that it just took too long and then Pacquiao had a bad shoulder and Lloyd Floyd won the fight.

[Host]

Is that why we're getting all these exhibitions now? Because boxing is missing and we want those guys to be able to fight again. And so we're willing to pay, we're willing to watch them way past their prime. A 61, 60 year old Mike Tyson against a 40 plus year old Floyd Mayweather or we get a Jake Paul fighting a Tank Davis. Is, is that why we're seeing what we're seeing now, Jim?

[Jim Gray]

You know, I'm always for you guys, I'm always for the athlete.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jim Gray]

So I don't, I don't, I don't get into all of that. I mean Jake Paul has brought people to the television set that wouldn't normally come correct. Now he's, he's becoming a better boxer, I guess.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Jim Gray]

You know, I did his first fight when, when, when Tyson fought Roy Jones during COVID you know that was, and Mike put on a great performance against Roy Jones and you know that was, that was a terrific exhibition. Exhibition for a guy. I think he was 55 at the time and so that was cool. And then Jake came on the scene that night. He knocked out Nate Robinson.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Jim Gray]

And, and you know, he's tried to enhance his growth but he's fighting a bunch of people that, you know, you know, aren't really, you know, in the genre of, you know, he's fighting MMA guys and UFC guys and so on and so forth. And now his next fight is against Tank. I mean, there's what, eight, £70? I mean, yes. Georgia didn't even know if they're going to license it. I don't know. You know, we don't know what's going to happen with all of this. So I guess it's good that he brings folks that he wouldn't bring so they get exposed to boxing. But on the other hand, you know, this is what, this is what the game is. You know, the guys who've dedicated themselves, their lives to, to, to the sport. And again, I'm not against anybody doing anything for their livelihood. So if Mike wants to fight, I hope he doesn't get hurt.

[Host]

People going to pay to watch.

[Jim Gray]

I didn't, I didn't know this, but Jake Paul had tremendous humanity. He could have hurt Mike and he backed off. Yeah, he could have hurt him. And he, he had, and, and he had the decency and humanity not to.

[Boxing Analyst]

All right, so you did, you heard it here first, what Jim said. It's okay to beat up Andre Ward.

[Host]

Okay?

[Jim Gray]

You need the money. You need to fight. We're gonna be here to support you. You need, you need to prove something. Go ahead, prove it. But guess what? They gave you a helmet for a reason.

[Host]

Jim, thanks for joining us, man. Appreciate it, Jim.

[Jim Gray]

Thank you for having me.

[Host]

Legendary broadcaster. Thank you so much for joining us, Jim.

[Jim Gray]

Thank you.

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[Host]

All right, our next guest coming to the stage right now. Here he is. He's all the way.

[Jim Gray]

He's yeah.

[Host]

Walking to the stage as we speak.

[Caleb Plant]

Here he is.

[Boxing Analyst]

I'm gonna fight him too.

[Host]

Oh, you want to fight him?

[Boxing Analyst]

I'm whoop his ass, Chad.

[Host]

Kayla Plant, ladies and gentlemen.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I'm here.

[Host]

What's up, bro? You good, bro? Thank you.

[Caleb Plant]

I gotta sit beside you.

[Host]

You will come through.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Caleb Plant]

Oh, my God.

[Boxing Analyst]

Hey, Tom, you want to fight.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Huh?

[Boxing Analyst]

All right, let me know.

[Host]

All right, ladies and gentlemen, we have Caleb Plant joining us. Caleb, how you doing, man?

[Caleb Plant]

Man, doing well. Appreciate y' all having me on.

[Host]

Appreciate you coming by. Obviously, we got Canelo Crawford. We got Crawford moving up two weight classes. Basically, he's only had one fight at 54. So basically it's a three weight class jump because he's going from basically 47. Skip 54, skip 60, going to 68. What is your expectations in this fight? Because everybody's like, can. Can Bud take a punch? When he feels Canelo's power, will he retreat or will he try to send something back? What is. How do you think this thing plays out?

[Caleb Plant]

Well, I think it's gonna be a good fight. I don't think it's gonna be a snoozer. I don't think, you know, and if. If we were to take a guess at who would allow it to be a snoozer, we'd have to guess Terence, because he's in the lower weight class. When he gets hit, is he just gonna get on his bike?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Caleb Plant]

And that's just not in Terrence's DNA, you know?

[Host]

No.

[Caleb Plant]

If he feels his power and thinks, man, I'm gonna have to land something big or he's gonna land something big, one of us has got to go, right? Terrence is the type of guy who will go out on his shield, respectfully, because that's just the type person there's. And there's no amount, there's no stage that will, you know, that he'll change course from doing that. You know what I'm saying? So I think it's going to be a great fight.

[Host]

We thought we gonna get that type of fight with Charlo. And it seems like when Charlo felt Canelo's power.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

All of a sudden he's like, no, no. And. But knowing Buddy, watching Bud fight, that's not Bud's mentality. Bud is going to push forward. Now, I don't recommend standing in the pocket, but Bud can box. And I think in order for him to win this fight, I don't believe he can beat him in a slug fest. I believe. I believe he's Going to have to outpoint him. What say you?

[Caleb Plant]

I think that the thing about Terrence is he can fight left handed, right handed, and just as importantly, he can fight at long range, he can fight a mid range, and he can fight at close range. And, you know, what do I know?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right?

[Caleb Plant]

But I think, you know, I think it'll be wise of Terrence that he's either going to be boxed on the outside, right, or he needs to be all the way inside. He doesn't need to be in between. He doesn't need to be at mid range. And when he's on inside, he can smother, but he doesn't just have to do that. He can fight on the inside, he can box on the inside, he can take angles on the inside, but he needs to be close. So he needs to either be all the way in or all the way out. And that's just my, you know, two cents on that. But at the same time, you know, the saying, There's a saying for a reason, and it's that there are weight classes for a reason. You know what I mean? And as you spoke to Terrence, only fighting once at 154 against Madrimov, which he won, and now moving up two more, but spending most of his career at 47 and 40 and 35. But with the greatness that he's accomplished and how great he is and how great it's like, where do you draw the line in the sand, on the tipping point. And that's what I'm excited to see.

[Boxing Analyst]

If you could write the perfect story with it coming to an end and you're in control of that ending, where you are right now in your boxing career and everything that you've accomplished, what else do you have left that you want to achieve in that story?

[Caleb Plant]

I think, you know, I think children give us new perspective. You know what I mean?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Caleb Plant]

And I got my congrats.

[Boxing Analyst]

Congrats.

[Caleb Plant]

By the way, I'm a daddy of three, got, you know, two here with me. And, you know, I think it's important that we show our children that even if we stumble, even if we fall, that's no reason to stay down. You know, you got to get up, you got to dust yourself back off, and you got to keep going regardless of what social media or the world or your best friend is telling you, you know, you. You owe it to yourself. And so just for me to.

[Host]

Add.

[Caleb Plant]

To my legacy of accomplishing what I can, whether that's another world title or, you know, there's big fights out there for me that don't even where a title is not even involved.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Caleb Plant]

You know, and so I'd love to be a part of those big fights, you know, put more money in my bank account, don't hurt neither, you know what I'm saying? But money's not my continuing reason, you know what I mean? It's about showing my kids and my children what you can do if you put your mind to it.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Boxing Analyst]

Do you think that addition in the resurgence of Turkey Ali interest in boxing has changed the landscape of it allowing some of the great fighters to take chances fighting other great fighters?

[Caleb Plant]

Yeah, I mean if he's trying to bring it together as a whole and one whether where there's not other companies that may. Is that what you're speaking to?

[Boxing Analyst]

Yeah, in a sense. It just, in a sense boxing fans like myself, it was very difficult for us to get the fights that we wanted to see.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

But so many, so many fighters were, weren't willing to take chances. They don't want to, they don't want to, they don't want to take any. Want to protect the zero.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Caleb Plant]

But Turkey's not going to be able to change those fighters minds. It's up to the fighter, right. To decide that I may lose my O, but me proving how great I think I am is more important than that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Caleb Plant]

And I did that before Turkey got here. And not that Turkey's not a great thing for boxing.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Caleb Plant]

But I'm just saying him coming along doesn't necessarily, doesn't necessarily mean that he's gonna be able to change everybody's mind.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Caleb Plant]

He didn't change Terence Crawford's mind because Terence has been doing that. He didn't change Usyk's mind because Usyk's been wanting to do this. You know what I mean?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes, sir.

[Caleb Plant]

And so I like that.

[Host]

I like what you said. Yeah, Chad, let's to what he said greatness is not tied to a zero. See, people have tied boxers, a lot of boxers have tied greatness to undefeated Sugar Ray Leonard and Hearns and Hagler and Ali and Foreman and Frasier. They fought the best. Because I believe I'm great. Whatever happens, I believe I'm great.

[Caleb Plant]

And if you think you can beat me, then let's get out there and roll the dice and see. Let's prove it. And you know, not all there's fights before, let's say before Turkey came along, there's fights that haven't gotten made. Some of those may be because of powers that be, but I Can assure you that a lot of it is because there's certain fighters that don't want to get in there and be proven wrong.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Caleb Plant]

And they're only going to fight fighters who they know they can prove themselves right against? Yes, but that's not. That's not greatness.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Caleb Plant]

That's the witness protection program.

[Host]

If you think about it, it's like, you know what? I can fight somebody that really challenged.

[Caleb Plant]

Me, and there's chance I could lose.

[Host]

And I could lose. I can make 20 million or I can fight this guy I know I can beat and make 12. Give me that 12. Yeah, give me that 12.

[Caleb Plant]

And in the meantime, I'll continue to grow my brand as a fighter, my personal brand. I'll continue. You know what I mean?

[Host]

So by the time I do lose, I've made three, $300 million. I'm cool. I'll just walk away.

[Boxing Analyst]

Do you think one of the reasons that fighters don't want to take a chance of having a zero, you think it affects them being a side affects their purse, affects the kind of money they're able to command when it comes to, you know, big name fights.

[Caleb Plant]

Yeah. There's fighters out there. Like for instance, you know, I lost my last fight. I'm still one of the most popular fighters in boxing.

[Boxing Analyst]

Right, but you're a draw. You're different.

[Caleb Plant]

But I'm a jaw. So I'm not saying my team is doing this to me.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Caleb Plant]

By no means am I saying that. I'm saying there's other people out there who work in boxing who will tell a fighter we'll try to convince him otherwise. Oh, you lost, so you're not a big draw. So now we're going to pay you this instead of that when you. When you do put asses in seats. And then again, I'm not talking about me personally, but there's people out there who try to convince fighters otherwise. So that's one reason.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Caleb Plant]

They try to play it safe.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Okay.

[Host]

Is there a fight out there that you won't.

[Caleb Plant]

That ain't a fight, man.

[Boxing Analyst]

Yeah, it is.

[Host]

Is it?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

Why not get the people what they want? Ask the chat. That's what they want. To see Caleb playing versus Ocho.

[Caleb Plant]

That's what they want.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

You don't think so?

[Caleb Plant]

I ain't heard it. I ain't heard it.

[Host]

But you. He listening for it. I mean, hey, we can make it happen. He said we.

[Boxing Analyst]

I train. I know. I train. I train with man. No, I'm saying I tell him we train together.

[Caleb Plant]

Rain his ass out the gym on day one. Out the gym on day one.

[Boxing Analyst]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

Listen, I'm. I'm just building up. You got to go in camp in different camps. So I can. I can. I can.

[Host]

So you take a little something.

[Caleb Plant]

No, but that's something that I respect about Ocho is, you know, like, he's accomplished everything and done everything that he has in his respective field. And then for him to come over to such a dangerous, treacherous. Dangerous and really care about the fighters that really come be a part of our camps and not just talk about it, but get out there. And I've seen them do real work with fighters. I've seen him sparrow fighters. I've seen them, you know, hit the bag. And a lot of us were in positions where that's like, the only way we could even stay alive.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Caleb Plant]

But it's the same for him. You know what I'm trying to say?

[Host]

He.

[Caleb Plant]

It's like, I can appreciate someone who can come from a different field and.

[Host]

Not have to be out there doing it.

[Caleb Plant]

And he's in the trenches. Yeah, he's been in the trenches with us.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

Taking it serious.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Caleb Plant]

But he still stands. No chance. Zero. No.

[Boxing Analyst]

I'm gonna fight Andre Ward.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Caleb Plant]

No. He's gonna say.

[Boxing Analyst]

What, you're not on my side?

[Caleb Plant]

I didn't say that. I'm keep my comment.

[Host]

Okay, what's you about to say? This fight, Canelo Crawford, this is, you know, a. A fight that people really want to see, and we haven't had a whole lot of those. Caleb, is that why you think we're seeing a lot more of the exhibitions? I asked Jim Gray this earlier. We're starting to see a lot more exhibitions and guys making 10, 15, $20 million doing exhibition. So you might have to go in that exhibition. Would you get in there with Jake Paul?

[Caleb Plant]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

I mean, that wouldn't be fair. But you killed Jake Paul, man.

[Caleb Plant]

No, I do want to say. Say something about Jake, though.

[Host]

He's bringing eyes.

[Caleb Plant]

It's similar somewhat to me talking about Ocho. You know, everything he's accomplished, everything he's done, all the money he's made, and then for him to step into a sport like boxing and put that work in with people like Coach Wade and Jay Leon and all them guys, he doesn't have to do that. And I thought, man, he lost to Tommy Fury. Like, we about to find out if he really wants to do this or not, or if he was just riding the wave. And sure enough, he stuck around and, you know, he doesn't have amateur experience, so he is using some of these guys to gain that experience as he steps up. But, you know, I. You do have to tip your hat to a guy like that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Host]

But if your fight. So this is the biggest fight we've had in a while. And we don't get big fights like we used to. We used to get big fights damn near every other month, at least two to three times a year. This might be the. This might. This is the biggest fight that we've had.

[Jim Gray]

Yeah.

[Host]

And 25. So who would you like to fight that? You know, we was like, okay, man, we're gonna come out, man, we need to see this. We need to see this Caleb plant fight. We need to see. We just. What we need. This is what we need to tune in for.

[Caleb Plant]

Yeah, I think me and Berlinga.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Caleb Plant]

You know, that's the fight that I've been calling for. You know, I think me and Charlo, you know, that's another fight that people have been calling for. So.

[Host]

Yeah, I like that.

[Caleb Plant]

Jamal.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Caleb Plant]

160 and now he's moved up to 68. And belt or no belt, you know, that's a big fight because it's the fighters who make the fights big.

[Host]

Correct. But a lot of times people think, well, if I ain't fighting for the belt, why the hell am I fighting?

[Caleb Plant]

But everything great. But you're fighting for legacy. And you know, my dad used to say people like legacy or money, the legacy fights are the big money fights. Is this a legacy fight? How much money you think is attached to this fight? All my biggest fights, all my legacy fights have been my biggest money fights. You can get both, but they try to frame it like legacy or money.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Caleb Plant]

You can get one, you can get both in the same night.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

I mean, if you go back and if you look at all the. Historically, what we think are great fighters, from Sugar Ray Robinson to Muhammad Ali to Sugar Ray Leonard, Armstrong, whoever, they lost.

[Caleb Plant]

Bernard Duran got about what, 16 losses.

[Boxing Analyst]

Yes, he does. He horse hands.

[Host]

He went. Now Duran went like 85:0 and then he started losing. But when you look at it though, Caleb, when you look at these guys, is that the old has become so prevalent. And Floyd. And so now everybody thinks they're going to be Floyd Mayweather. Even if you do retire undefeated, people are not going to to look at you like they look at Floyd Mayweather.

[Caleb Plant]

And not to mention you messing up right off the rip if you're trying to be somebody else.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Caleb Plant]

Because guarantee, you know, you guys probably had Influences and people. Guys you looked up to in the NFL. But you weren't trying to be there.

[Host]

No, no, no. You were trying to be.

[Caleb Plant]

You were trying to be Ocho Cinco.

[Host]

Yes.

[Caleb Plant]

And if you, you know, spent your whole career trying to be this guy, trying to be that guy, we wouldn't even be talking right now.

[Host]

Correct.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You're right. Yeah, right.

[Caleb Plant]

You'd be making me a hamburger right now.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Now.

[Caleb Plant]

Ain'T that right?

[Host]

So you, you, you won't plan. We can put this together. We. I can have my people call his people. We could put. We could put a five round exhibition.

[Boxing Analyst]

That's disrespectful. I've been doing this for six years now.

[Caleb Plant]

He can't even count to five.

[Boxing Analyst]

Ten.

[Host]

You want ten round? Okay, we do ten two minute rounds.

[Boxing Analyst]

N ten. That's disrespectful to the sport.

[Caleb Plant]

Look, we'll do one minute round, three minute rest for you.

[Host]

You.

[Boxing Analyst]

No, I don't need no rest. I a. I ain't stopped training since we trained here in Vegas. I still been going. Yeah, I'm on year six.

[Host]

So what? We, so what? So what weight we going to fight at?

[Boxing Analyst]

How much you weigh? We can catch weight. What you weigh right now? Yeah, like 230.

[Caleb Plant]

You lying.

[Jim Gray]

I am.

[Host]

You lying.

[Boxing Analyst]

Feel my arm.

[Caleb Plant]

You got a string hanging from your shirt. Oh, that's your arm. String hanging from the shirt.

[Host]

We do, we 60. We do six. We do 68.

[Caleb Plant]

68.

[Host]

He can't get diamond. He won 85. He, he might only, he might can only do 75. Can you come to. What can you do? Can you meet him in the middle?

[Boxing Analyst]

I'm 205.

[Caleb Plant]

No way he can make a 68 with a noggin like that.

[Host]

No, he ain't making no 60. I wouldn't make that 75. He might do. He ate. He probably about 88 now, so he might come to 75.

[Boxing Analyst]

I'm 205.

[Host]

He ain't get.

[Caleb Plant]

He ain't going to 230. You're 205 now.

[Boxing Analyst]

I'm. I'mma focus on Andre Ward. I'm focus on Ward.

[Caleb Plant]

You won't even make it to me, brother.

[Host]

So if, if you have to handicap this fight, it go at the distance, somebody ending it. We, I mean, so we go into the scorecards. How, how does this thing play out, man?

[Boxing Analyst]

You got out boxing, that's it.

[Caleb Plant]

He's gonna have to be all the way in, be all the way out. Be smart not, not exchanging the mid range too much and it's hard to say, you know, for me, like, I always give the boring answer of, we're just gonna have to see. But when you have two great fighters in there, you can guess what you think might happen. But that's really all it is at the end of the day.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Caleb Plant]

You know what I'm saying? It's. Terrence had a fight like that before with somebody. No one could guess that things were going to go down like that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right, right.

[Host]

You met him and Spence.

[Caleb Plant]

You know, I'm saying, yeah, you can guess. But, you know, broken clocks are right twice a day.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Caleb Plant]

So I think it's best that we just let the fighters get in there and show us what it, you know, what it is.

[Host]

I like the question everybody ask, can he take his power? Once he feels his power, will he retreat Canelo? I mean, when's the last time Canelo stopped somebody? It's been. And people, it's like, what can Canelo stop somebody? But normally Canelo is fighting people. At 68, he's fighting people, you know, 68 or above when he fought mobile. But now he's fighting a much smaller man and he feels that he can sit down even more on those punches. And does he try?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

It's like, I can really, really make a name for myself if I get bud up out of here.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Caleb Plant]

And there's a chance of that happening. I think that's why. So everyone's intrigued now. Is it going to happen? We don't know. Now, another thing is, you know, Canelo's got a great chin. He's been hurt by Miguel cottage brother like 15 years ago, but he hasn't been rocked much since then. I was about to say that Canelo can't clip. I mean, Crawford can't clip Canelo. Yeah, he can. But we also have to remember, even though Canelo is the harder puncher, it's not in boxing. It's not about who's the harder puncher. It's about who lands the harder punch.

[Boxing Analyst]

Right in timing.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Caleb Plant]

You know what I mean?

[Host]

He had some. He had some battles with Golovkin, hit him with some how he didn't go down from some of those shots that triple G hit him with.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

I still don't know.

[Caleb Plant]

And, you know, even, like Berlang is saying, he hits harder than Canelo, but when they fought, he didn't land the harder punch.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right? Correct. Right. Yeah.

[Caleb Plant]

You know what I mean? And landing the harder punch takes time and distance, rhythm, iq, Right. You know, trap setup. So, yeah, just because you hit somebody.

[Host]

Into something, move it in a direction and you catch him clean. It's a shot that you didn't.

[Caleb Plant]

Anthony Darrell hits harder than me.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right? Right? Yeah.

[Caleb Plant]

Oh, so.

[Host]

Okay. Le Player, ladies and gentlemen. He said, hey, you're gonna have to watch this fight to find out who wins. But he said he can take Ocho Easy work. Easy work. Two minute rounds. Ten. Two minute rounds. Five. Two minute rounds. Yes, sir.

[Caleb Plant]

230, my ass.

[Boxing Analyst]

You don't feel it?

[Host]

What about 75?

[Boxing Analyst]

180?

[Host]

He 195. Now I'm 205. Look, you come on like you, like. You ready? You ready? Oh, yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

I'm in shape.

[Caleb Plant]

Like you ready to be like 240.

[Boxing Analyst]

In the mornings? I could go.

[Caleb Plant]

No, we got a run club in LA I.

[Boxing Analyst]

Okay.

[Caleb Plant]

Next weekend. And we got one at the end of October here in Las Vegas. It's a couple days before Complex con.

[Boxing Analyst]

How many miles?

[Caleb Plant]

It's 5K. 3.1.

[Boxing Analyst]

That's good. @ our own pace.

[Caleb Plant]

It's for the community, brother.

[Boxing Analyst]

I like that. Yeah, I'll come.

[Caleb Plant]

All right.

[Boxing Analyst]

I'll come support.

[Caleb Plant]

I'm going hit you up.

[Boxing Analyst]

Oh, I'm so glad you're here. You have a Revenge Revenge Tour leather jacket.

[Caleb Plant]

I mean the vest.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Caleb Plant]

You like that, huh?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I keep.

[Boxing Analyst]

I text you. Can I have it?

[Caleb Plant]

I want to wear to the fight Revenge store, baby. Plug it in.

[Host]

What is it?

[Boxing Analyst]

Revenge Tour.

[Caleb Plant]

I'm gonna get you, right?

[Boxing Analyst]

No, I'm serious. I want to wear it to the fight. If I can, I'll buy. I'll pay for it.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Okay. All right.

[Caleb Plant]

Actually, I only got one. The rest of them are. Are not in the city.

[Boxing Analyst]

Okay. All right, I'll wait.

[Caleb Plant]

Not till Saturday they don't get here in time. But I. I'll have you one before the end of the year.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

All right. I got you. Yeah.

[Caleb Plant]

Hom me on me.

[Host]

Appreciate you, bro.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

I'm paying. I'm paying.

[Caleb Plant]

Okay.

[Boxing Analyst]

Thank you.

[Caleb Plant]

Appreciate it.

[Boxing Analyst]

Appreciate it.

[Host]

What?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Tarva?

[Host]

That was Caleb playing. Ladies and gentlemen. Oo I. I don't think you gonna make it.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

What?

[Host]

Tarver.

[Boxing Analyst]

You see him?

[Host]

Oh, yeah. He had. He had the table over there. I'm intrigued.

[Boxing Analyst]

I'm excited.

[Host]

Kayla Plant says, look, he needs to be all the way out or all the way in. Nothing.

[Jim Gray]

Mid range.

[Host]

Nothing that. That he can find himself on the end.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

Of a punch that Canelo is. Sit down.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes, sir.

[Host]

There's something to be said. Canelo is the bigger man. He's used to fighting at this weight. I Think the thing is that fighting 12 three minute rounds at that weight, walking around at one side 68 is one thing. Being in a fight where you have to mentally focus in, which burns a lot of energy.

[Boxing Analyst]

Energy.

[Host]

You got to move, which burns energy. You've got to throw punches, which burns energy.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, that.

[Host]

Those are some of the questions that we're not going to be able to find out until Saturday night.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

Until it happens.

[Host]

Like, like, like Caleb said. You know, we can speculate what I think this or I think that, but at the end of the, of the day, we're not going to know until.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

Team. Round one, Round two. Well, hopefully it goes far enough so we can see how this thing plays out.

[Boxing Analyst]

And the funny thing too about the fight is Canelo, I'm sure he's watched film on Crawford. Crawford has watched film on Canelo. And you can watch as much as you want and you get in there and it'd be completely different round by round. Nothing is ever the same.

[Host]

I think the biggest thing is what Bud told us. He says, I don't, I, I watch tape.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Host]

But I do realize this. That guy is not going to fight me like he fought them because those guys he were fighting isn't me. Canelo knows Bud is not going to fight him like he fought those other guys because those guys aren't him. He's never fought somebody.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Host]

That out. That. Okay. When they go into the ring on, on Saturday night.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Host]

Canelo might be 190. Yeah, 190. Another partner walks around at 195, 200 dam pounds.

[Boxing Analyst]

That's possible. That's possible. But a fighter style doesn't change.

[Host]

No, no.

[Boxing Analyst]

Even though you have a different opponent in front of you, tendencies, movement.

[Host]

Yes.

[Boxing Analyst]

All that stuff still stays the same. Whatever skill set you have, it doesn't miraculously change from opponent to opponent.

[Host]

No, it, that doesn't. But how I'm going to fight opponent based on the.

[Boxing Analyst]

And you do know styles make fights.

[Host]

Yes. I mean, you look, you fighting a guy that's big. Now all of a sudden you, you, you're going up against a DB and he ain't got feet. Well, you know, oh, you going to ride him up all day long.

[Boxing Analyst]

You understand?

[Host]

Now you got a little DB out there that's 170 pounds. You're like, man, I'm fit to do. I would do whatever I want to do with you. I might get physical with you. I might do whatever because I can, I can. You can't do anything about it.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Host]

But A guy that's big and rangy and physical, you doing everything you can not to let him put, put his hands on you.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

Because that's the one thing, the advantage that he has. If he touches you now, you're not like Julio. Julio, Brandon Marshall.

[Boxing Analyst]

Yes.

[Host]

They wanted the guy because they wanted, they wanted to do this.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

You. I'm trying. I'm dancing. I'm. You're not putting your hands on me.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right, right.

[Host]

But it's going to be a very intriguing fight. It's going to be a very, very interesting fight. And I'm anxious to see how this thing plays out there. One thing I do know, Bud is going to be. Bud is in shape. Yeah, Bud is Bud. But. And I'm anxious to see. He's like, look, I've been fighting all my life. I don't been hit before. And that's the whole point of it. The likelihood of you going into a fight and not get hit. Only Roy Jones has only been in a fight one time. That's only CompuBox era that's ever had a fight and didn't get hit.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

But the likelihood, likelihood of you getting involved in a fight. And that's the thing that makes fighting so interesting.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

Because anything can happen.

[Boxing Analyst]

Anything.

[Host]

You get clipped, it changes, it changes the whole trajectory of that fight.

[Boxing Analyst]

Everybody has a puncher's chance.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Host]

Yes. And everybody, everybody has an idea or a plan of how things are going to play out. But this is gonna play out like this. But then what happens if early on it's not going to your way. Can you still relax?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

And adjust?

[Host]

So that's what's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting to see. We're waiting on Tar. He's. He's finishing up over there. He's going to join us here shortly. It's going to be it. Because here's a guy that, that fought it. Tarver fought at 6. I think Tarver broke in at 68, end up going at light. Went to light heavy. So, so it's going to be very interesting to see how this thing plays, how it shapes up. But I, the buzz. You're starting to feel the electricity of, of, of, of a fight of this magnitude.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

You know, I don't know if you came to the, the Spence Crawford fight. Did you come to.

[Boxing Analyst]

I didn't, I didn't.

[Host]

I came to the Spence Crawford. I saw that.

[Boxing Analyst]

It was crazy, huh?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

But people had wanted that, right? People. People had wanted to see because, you know, hey, 47 Spence was. Was great at 47, bud. So we got two great fighters going. Locking Horn.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Host]

That's what we. That's what we want to see. I love what Kayla Plant said, is that sometimes greatness is not about a zero. It's about putting. It's about legacy. It's about fighting the best to prove.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Host]

Because you don't know.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

You won't know until you get in there. Until. Until you get in there.

[Boxing Analyst]

But again, his mentality is a little different. He's taking those chances.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Boxing Analyst]

He stepped in with a Benavidez. He stepped in with a Canelo.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Boxing Analyst]

Other fighters at 168 or 154, whatever it may be, they don't want to fight great on great. They just don't.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

But.

[Host]

And then they look at it, man. Look at. I ain't lost, bro. But you ain't really fought nobody.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

I mean, we don't. We don't. We don't hold it against Ali. We don't hold it against. Against Foreman. We don't hold it against Sugar Ray, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Roberto Duran.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

We don't. Sweet Pete Whitaker. We don't hold that against.

[Boxing Analyst]

You have to understand, their era of boxing is different. That's like we talk about football. Football was different back in the days when those guys you just mentioned a fight.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

The mindset was different. This era, completely different area of boxing.

[Host]

Money, with that level of money becoming. That's why you don't see guys play in the preseason. That's why they changed the training camp rules. Money. So much money has become involved.

[Boxing Analyst]

Yes.

[Host]

Now you like. I'm not taking any unnecessary risk.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

With my players.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

And so it's going to be very interesting to see. Hold on. Oh, he's taking the. It's. Oh, he. Get ready to go to 520. But I'm. I'm. I'm geeked. I'm geeked. I'm pumped for this fight. I. I wish more guys. I would like to see Shakur and Teofimo Lopez. I like to see Shakur and Tank.

[Boxing Analyst]

Okay.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

Listen. What I don't want to do, though, as much as I want to see the great fights, I don't want the great fights to happen too soon, because if the great fights happen too soon, then there's nothing to look forward to. I want to see Drawn in, drawn boots, sentence and Virgil Ortiz. At some point, I think a fight in that magnitude is going to happen. That's box office stuff. And I have no Problem with fighters continue to build their resume, so people want to see those big fights.

[Host]

Oh, so these guys in their prime. What we waiting for?

[Boxing Analyst]

I mean, if Tank and Shakur fight right now, then what's next after the fight's over?

[Host]

Hey, hey. Who else is in that division?

[Boxing Analyst]

I mean, that. That's. That. That's going to have that kind of draw like that. The cream of the crop when it comes to draws.

[Host]

Think about when. Think about when Sugar Ray fought Tommy Hearns in 81.

[Boxing Analyst]

Oh, it's 81. We in 20, 25.

[Host]

But I'm saying they fought early and they fought and they kept fighting. They fought. Here come Marvin Hagler.

[Boxing Analyst]

So a 1, 2, and 3.

[Jim Gray]

Yes.

[Boxing Analyst]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. But also, you have to understand the timing and when they fight right to where you can maximize your purse, too.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Boxing Analyst]

So it's a chest. It's a chess match.

[Host]

I think that's. That's what. That's what guys are doing. They're maximizing the price.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Host]

They're taking. They're not. Guys are unwilling to take a risk.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host]

Well, they're unwilling to take a risk. And if you're not willing to take a risk, it's. It's. I don't know why you. I don't know why you got in the sport then.

[Boxing Analyst]

I need that zero. I need to feel my fame. I need to feed my family. I need to take care of myself. I'm gonna take care of my wife, my kids. I can't have a zero because if I have a zero, I mean, if I have a L.1 loss or two losses, then I can't command the kind of money.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Host]

I want to.

[Boxing Analyst]

I won't be the A side.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Boxing Analyst]

I won't be able to pick and choose who I want to fight when I want to fight. All that changes when you lose. Unless you are a draw. There are certain people. Win or loss, you're a draw.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Boxing Analyst]

The people just want to see you fight less.

[Host]

Like Tyson.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

Even. Even after he got beat by Buster Douglas, people still was paying. He was still getting 25, 30 million dollars a fight.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Host]

When he lost. When he lost the Holy field the first time. Guess what? Even after he lost the Holy Field and he got suspended, they still paid big time money to see him fight Lindsay Lewis.

[Boxing Analyst]

Yeah, absolutely. You know who else is a draw like that?

[Host]

Who?

[Boxing Analyst]

That Adrian Broner. When Broner was losing.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

He was still a draw.

[Host]

He g. He.

[Boxing Analyst]

He put. Hey, he gonna put butts in the seat whether you like him.

[Host]

Or not.

[Boxing Analyst]

Chat, chat. Whether you like him or not, Adrian Broner will put butts in the seats. Yeah, it's exciting for one. He gonna lead you with the talk.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

You never know what's gonna happen cuz it's unpredictable.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Boxing Analyst]

So I mean it is what it is. I, I, I hope my young bull gets himself together, man, and get back in the ring.

[Host]

Well, that's where they got amped over there. I thought that was, I thought that was a, Somebody was getting amped to start throwing some bows. But so today is what today? Thursday.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

So we two, you know, 48, 50, basically 60 hours away. 60 hours from the fight.

[Boxing Analyst]

I'm excited.

[Host]

So it's been, it's, it's interesting. Basically it's like the Super Bowl. It's like all the work, all the training camp, all that's all that's done now.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

Now look, hey, get off your feet. You know, you're relaxing. You're like, you're monitoring your weight.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

You're monitoring your, your calves that you're putting in. The weigh in is going to be what the weigh in is going to be Friday.

[Boxing Analyst]

You going to the weigh in.

[Host]

The way is going to be here, aren't they?

[Boxing Analyst]

Oh, wait, is, is it here? I, I don't know.

[Host]

I don't think it's going to be an allegiancy. It might be at Allegiance.

[Boxing Analyst]

It's too many, it's too many people come to the way and for it to be at.

[Jim Gray]

Be here.

[Host]

Yeah, true. It'll probably be at Allegiance. It probably be allegiant state.

[Boxing Analyst]

You. That's gonna be nice. I know that that's probably such a tedious process too. Once you come out of camp, like a week, maybe a week before the fight, you tone everything down and you're relaxing.

[Host]

Yes.

[Boxing Analyst]

That got to be tedious. You got to watch what you eat.

[Host]

You know, you can't, you know, you're drinking how much water you in. Because they probably load up, probably like. And then all of a sudden they just, they gradually take it down.

[Boxing Analyst]

Take it down.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

That's why, you know, they're not doing a whole lot of talking. You know, they just. Now you just, it's that mental focus of getting ready. You know, you're trying to play this thing out in your head of what's going to actually happen. You know, the trap I can possibly spring here. I know where, I know where he's trying to lead me.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

And that's the thing because you constantly, you can't have one Slip up. One slip up, and it turns the life off.

[Jim Gray]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

Yeah.

[Host]

You got to. You got to be on your peas and your shoes for. Basically, you got to be sharp.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. The whole time.

[Host]

And the thing. You're thinking one thing, and he might be trying to walk you into the trap.

[Boxing Analyst]

Trap.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

And, you know, the funny thing is, too, what I love about boxing, if you pay attention and you understand what fighters are doing when you're watching, is you can set a trap in the first round and really won't try to execute it to round four.

[Host]

Yep.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I love it.

[Boxing Analyst]

Canelo has some tricks that he. That he's a savvy veteran. He has some tricks that he does. I'm hoping Bud doesn't fall. Fall for it. Always stay up in a high guard. Because the first thing people do is when some of the stuff that Canelo does. He had thought that. He had thought it out there.

[Host]

As soon as.

[Boxing Analyst]

Because the first thing you do is you flinch the opposite way in which that goes, Right?

[Host]

Yeah, that's the thing. They're gonna be trying to faint.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

Bud is an outstanding boxer.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

Bud has power. And when Bud gets you in trouble.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

Oh, he.

[Boxing Analyst]

Oh, he see blood in the water.

[Host]

And we saw that. We saw that with Spence.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

But Spence is a. Is a smaller man. Can he get Canelo in trouble?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

And if he gets Canelo in trouble, can he pull the plug and turn the power out?

[Boxing Analyst]

Hey, I'm thinking about some of the bigger fighters.

[Host]

Triple G, triple G, triple G. Hit him with some shots. I still don't know. It was like rocking soccer, Robot man. I thought you remember Rocko soccer? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You pop his head.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

I was like, hold on. Baval here him with some shots when he went up to 175. And he didn't go down.

[Host]

Nope, he didn't go down.

[Boxing Analyst]

And he's a much more powerful man. A much bigger man.

[Host]

But here's the thing. They can't put. They can't put shots together like Crawford.

[Boxing Analyst]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Host]

So that's the thing. In the process of. Of hitting him now, maybe then he doesn't pack. Maybe Bud doesn't pack the punch.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Host]

But instead of one shot, what if he lands three or four?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

But then also, you think about someone landed three or four shots on Canelo, whose defense is elite.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Boxing Analyst]

Whose head move is elite. Even though he's not swift with his footwork. But he's great defensively, Right? Very great.

[Host]

So it's gonna be interesting. I mean, you hadn't seen a whole lot of people put three, four shots together on Canelo and. Yeah, because if you go back and look at Floyd when Floyd was catching and Floyd was 1, 2, 1 2. Yeah, that's it. Floors like 12 hours. Because the thing is, you know, if you, if you hang too long, you're gonna get bit.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

So hey, let me throw this one, two. Move out of harm's way.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

I'm, I'm, I'm excited. I think everybody's excited to see this. It's been a while since we've had something of this magnitude. And then guess what? And we back tonight, Ocho. We, we, you know, we got nightcap to tonight.

[Boxing Analyst]

We got great football commanders commanders, packers commanders, Packer. That's going to be a really good game. That's going to be a really good game.

[Host]

A really good game.

[Boxing Analyst]

Really good game.

[Host]

Do we have any. But if you, and plus oo the question that I have, Bud really hadn't fought, but like Bud Fl. He fought Spencer in July of 23. Yeah, he fought this other fighter. So he's only fought twice in two years.

[Boxing Analyst]

Yeah, but I think for someone like Bud, a fight a year is good. A fight a year is good. I, I, I would, I would think depending on us. Unless you're trying to stay, unless you're trying to do tune ups continuously tune ups until you get a big fight.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Boxing Analyst]

Not that much damage.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

No, no, no, no.

[Host]

But not at all at this point now, Bud is, is beyond tune ups. Yeah, but, but the, the, the when Bud fight, it has to, it has to mean something. Makes sense. It's, it needs to be a huge payday or there needs to be a title attached to it. And he's looking at it. I'm looking at guys. He's looking at guys. 47.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

Who am I gonna fight at 47? I'm not going down to 40 because it, you know Tank and Shakur and Boo, Boots and Roads. Come on, man. Yeah, and they're not coming up 147 to see me. And I don't even know if Bud wants to be at 147 anymore. He might wants to step to 54, but ain't no money. Who's at 54? Who at 54?

[Boxing Analyst]

Well, ain't no money. There's some fighters at 154, but not the purse.

[Host]

But here's the thing. Who is he gonna fight? Because he just ain't gonna get, just fight some.

[Boxing Analyst]

What's up, baby? Antonio T. I'mma beat Him I'mma beat. I'mma beat his ass, too.

[Commentator]

I'm looking for exhibition, bro. I think we good.

[Host]

You good.

[Commentator]

Right now. We can announce this right now.

[Host]

Ten two minute rounds. That's what you need.

[Boxing Analyst]

Three minutes. Three minutes.

[Host]

Three.

[Boxing Analyst]

Three.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Listen. He done showed me too much. I used to train with Tom.

[Commentator]

I train him.

[Boxing Analyst]

I train with everybody else.

[Commentator]

Good, too.

[Boxing Analyst]

Appreciate you. That's how I know.

[Host]

That's how I know I'm with you.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Okay.

[Host]

Right here, my man.

[Commentator]

I appreciate you all.

[Host]

Appreciate you.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

What's up, baby?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Hey.

[Commentator]

I'm just doing them back. You feel me on that desk? I'm excited, bro. Two of the best fighters in the game today, Bart. None.

[Host]

Yes.

[Commentator]

Undisputed. Pound for pound, this is it.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Commentator]

You feel me, man? I'm expecting the unexpected.

[Host]

Yeah, really?

[Commentator]

I'm expecting the unexpected. I'm expecting the unexpected.

[Host]

Talk.

[Boxing Analyst]

Talk me through how you expect the unexpected, because we know what Canelo can do. Bud is coming up two weight classes. They have weight classes for a reason, Right? You know, I understand the game based on what you told me, the work we put in the past few years, so I got a better understanding of it. Why they're weight classes.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yep.

[Commentator]

Why do you expect unexpected it Skills, technique, all that. I think it trumps the weight.

[Boxing Analyst]

I have a question.

[Commentator]

I think it trumps the weight.

[Boxing Analyst]

We've seen Canelo get outclassed in a boxing clinic offensively and defensively. When he fought Floyd Mayweather.

[Commentator]

Yes, yes.

[Boxing Analyst]

That's a different kind of skill. I haven't seen any skill like that. The closest thing I've seen to that, no disrespect to Bud, is Shakur Stevenson.

[Commentator]

Right. Okay.

[Boxing Analyst]

Defensive offense, defensively.

[Commentator]

Okay.

[Boxing Analyst]

Do you think Bud has the type of skill set to be able to get in there with someone at 168 and be able to pull off something similar to what Mayweather did to Canelo, even though their style of fighting is different.

[Commentator]

Yeah, yeah. He's the two fisted monster, bro.

[Host]

That's the thing. You don't know if he's south or orthodox.

[Commentator]

He knocking you out with right and left.

[Host]

Yes. He's a natural foul, Paul, but he got power in the right, both hands.

[Commentator]

And that's so unique, bro. I was a hell of a southpaw.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Commentator]

But everybody knew it was in my left hand.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Commentator]

Can you imagine if I had him worrying about the right, too?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Commentator]

So I think that is something that Canelo hasn't experienced before, you know?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Commentator]

And Terrence can punch. Now, he. He's not. He don't weigh as much as Canelo, but the way he look, could he possibly be strong? Stronger than Canelo? Because we know he strong. Anyway.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Commentator]

Anyway, he's wrestling with you feel me?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Commentator]

So once you feel that innate strength, bro, you know, it's something different. It's something different.

[Boxing Analyst]

But then also, you think about what Canelo's been through. You think of some of the wars Canelo's been through.

[Commentator]

He's a career since 14, 15 years old, professional.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right?

[Boxing Analyst]

But then you think about the punching power that Bud might possess. Can't even hurt Canelo. Based on what. What we've seen when he fought Triple G. Based on what we've seen when he put Baval, who pieced him up over and over and over. Even with his. The slickness that he wants with his D, he was still getting hit. Hidden flush. And we never seen Canelo get defeated like that where it seemed like he was outmatched trying to go up weight class. So do you really think Bud has the power to really affect someone of that size who's been through some wars already with Triple G and Bavol?

[Commentator]

If he can't hurt Canelo, it's going to be hard to beat him.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Him.

[Commentator]

It's gonna be hard to beat him.

[Host]

If he can't keep it, if he.

[Commentator]

Can'T get his respect, okay? You got to get this man respect in the first three rounds. It's gonna be nightmares anyway, coming forward, right? You got to give him something to think about, Shannon, because if you don't, you ain't gonna be able to stop him.

[Boxing Analyst]

You feel me?

[Commentator]

Now, if Canelo is having success to the body early, that spells trouble for Crawford, because that body don't work. You hit him early in the first round, you ain't gonna start feeling that around three and four, you heard? But, but, but when you start feeling it, bro, you can be in the best shape, but them body shots will take your conditioning away from you. But see, now, you got to be disciplined to do that, right? And I think if Canelo is having success to the body, that favors Canelo, right? If Crawford is making him miss and making him pay. Yeah, that favors Crawford.

[Host]

Now.

[Commentator]

Now we got to see what. How it's going to play out. Yes, sir.

[Boxing Analyst]

With that being said, basically. Basically, the formula to Bud winning this fight is basically just outboxing Canelo.

[Commentator]

Matador and the bull.

[Boxing Analyst]

Bingo.

[Commentator]

Matador and the bull all day.

[Host]

Yes.

[Commentator]

You heard me.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

Caleb Plant says, look, he can Fight two styles. He can be all the way in or he can be all the way out. But stay away from the mid range because the mid range you don't want to be on the end of one of those punches where he sat down. Canelo sits down on his punches because he's trying to get you up out there of them.

[Commentator]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

Bud. I don't know if he's fought somebody that can put punches together like Bud can. That's what other than Mayweather.

[Commentator]

Right. That's been a while and that's been.

[Host]

That'S been a while ago. But Bud can put punches together and Bud got power.

[Commentator]

He got power.

[Host]

We don't know if he has power to knock somebody. That's 168. That's a natural 168. I believe what Canelo probably walks around at 195, 200. He strips it down to 160, 168 but he's a walk around man at 195, 200. Wow. Here's another thing. Bud is a big Bud script down to 147 back then.

[Commentator]

We could call him a weight bullet now cause we know he will kill himself to make weight.

[Host]

Yes.

[Commentator]

Look at his legs now.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Commentator]

You feel me? I think he might be in his more comfortable weight right now.

[Host]

I do too.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Okay.

[Host]

Ah what I told people when I see Florida they said man, Floyd, I say Florida's a natural naturally small man.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

Floyd losing five pounds to make 147. He was 52.

[Commentator]

Begin with make way to two days.

[Host]

Because Floyd trained your boss and he's not a naturally big man so he didn't allow himself to fluctuate to go from 147 and then two days later he was 75. Right, right. Floyd was a naturally small man so he never had to kill himself to make weight. Now I agree with you. I don't think believe Bud is having to kill himself to make com. He coming down from 190 to go to 168 is a whole different thing. From 190 to 143.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Commentator]

Night and day.

[Host]

Yeah. Caleb, Caleb. Like I said, Caleb said stay on the outside, stay either all the way in, in the pocket.

[Boxing Analyst]

Smother the punches, smother the punches all.

[Commentator]

The way on the outside.

[Boxing Analyst]

Nothing mid range.

[Host]

If you, if you were in Crawford's corner after the first round you see how this thing. Because it's going to be interesting because everybody can have an idea of how it's going to play out but you won't know. Obviously, you want to feel each other out, but after that first round, you have a pretty good indication of how this thing's going to go, Right? What. What would you tell if. If you could. If you were in Buzz corner, what would you tell him?

[Commentator]

It's important that we're going to have to make Canelo miss. I'm coming on my defense. I ain't running, but I'm using my defense. Making a miss and making him pay if I can. Yeah, but it's important that he don't get greedy.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Commentator]

Get yours and get on out of there.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Boxing Analyst]

Pick and choose.

[Commentator]

You can't stay too long because this boy got popped.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

Off the goddamn ropes.

[Commentator]

They gotta stay off the rope.

[Host]

Oh, yeah.

[Commentator]

On the ropes at all.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

No.

[Commentator]

Now, Canelo do a lot of good work in the center of the ring. Everybody think he's just a pressure fighter.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

No.

[Commentator]

But look at how he set that uppercut up against Mongia.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Commentator]

And then he knocked Berlanga down with that left hook.

[Host]

He's quick, bro.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Commentator]

And so you can't let him line you up with one shot.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Commentator]

That's one thing Crawford ain't gonna be able to do. He gotta see everything coming and anticipate everything.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Commentator]

Don't get set with one of them traps. That was.

[Host]

He's sitting down. And the thing is, like, when you watch. I've watched great defensive fighters and Crawford got good defense. I'm not saying he's Sweet Pete Whitaker. I'm not saying he. Floyd Mayweather, but guys would throw a punch and Florida's already moving and he's already doing this because he know he's gonna mess with this coming back. That's what Bud's gonna have to do. But Canelo don't really piece together. He's not. Three, four, five punch guys. He's sitting down. He's trying to get a two. Yes.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

Yes.

[Boxing Analyst]

It's a hard one or two.

[Host]

Okay. Hurt.

[Commentator]

He trying to hurt. He trying to break everything.

[Host]

Everything. The question is, is that tar. Walking around at a weight is one thing.

[Commentator]

Yeah.

[Host]

Being mentally sharp takes conditioning. Moving takes conditioning, throwing punches. Take conditioning. The question is, is Bud gonna be able to sustain that for 12 rounds if necessary?

[Commentator]

He can if he's not getting touched to the body early.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Commentator]

You feel me? You don't have to protect himself from the body shots, bro, because that's going to take your conditioning. Now, if you can't move, it's problems.

[Host]

Yeah, it's problems.

[Commentator]

So if you see Canelo Going successfully to the body early. That spells trouble for Crawford.

[Host]

So you said he can't be on the ropes. He can't be in the center ring. So he. So he basically.

[Boxing Analyst]

I mean, his advantage is in the.

[Host]

Center of the ring.

[Commentator]

He got to give him angles.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes, But.

[Commentator]

Yeah, don't run, but give him angles. Make him miss. Make him turn into you.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's.

[Commentator]

That's the matador and the bull.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Commentator]

Turning.

[Host]

Run him into something.

[Commentator]

There you go.

[Host]

Because we thought this, man. We thought this with Charlo. And then Charlo felt that power.

[Commentator]

Yeah, man, I don't want none of this, man. And that's still gotta happen. He's still gonna have to feel that power.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Commentator]

And accept the fact, hey, I'm gonna have to go through this.

[Host]

Yes.

[Commentator]

But if that changed your game plan.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Commentator]

Advantage, Canelo.

[Jim Gray]

But no.

[Host]

Hey, when you was a little kid, your mom, your grandma told you that was hot.

[Commentator]

You didn't believe it, you touch it.

[Host]

Okay, I learned my lesson. Now. You said he feel that power one time. He still gotta believe that ain't hot.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

That's just my figure of my imagination. Because if Canelo makes him make. And Bud's not wired like that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

No.

[Host]

But he'll.

[Commentator]

I tell you, face, he ain't gonna show nothing.

[Host]

Bud, he'll have to knock Bud out. Cause Bud won't walk.

[Commentator]

Some guys you can make quick, and some guys you gotta knock out Bud. One of them guys you gotta knock out.

[Host]

And he won't turn it down. He's not wired like that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

The funny thing about it, when I think about the fight as well, Bud has to stay active.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Boxing Analyst]

Rounds that Canelo takes off through seven, he takes off relaxing. Those rounds, you need to be active and understanding. He does it with everybody, no matter who he's fighting. And then you have to be willing to take a punch to get one.

[Host]

You got to.

[Boxing Analyst]

You got to be gambling. You got to pick and change. You got to pick and pick and choose when to do it.

[Host]

Punch. Am I trying to take, though?

[Commentator]

That's the chess. All.

[Host]

All the questions, they the same. I'mma pick a choose what I'm drinking. I ain't taking no uppercut.

[Jim Gray]

Hey.

[Host]

I ain't taking nothing that I can't.

[Commentator]

Shot that liver shot.

[Host]

You think Crawford got a chance?

[Commentator]

I think he got a big chance to. To win a decision. Now, if he can hurt Canelo, that's. That puts the knockout in effect.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Commentator]

You know what I mean?

[Host]

I want to get you out of here on this one. When are we Gonna start seeing these, these fights again because Roy didn't have to give you another back then. The O was unimportant. It seems to be now. The O is of the utmost importance. I don't want to fight somebody because if I fight somebody with a O and he. I got a O and he got a O, that means somebody going to leave the ring where they're not going to have their O. And people are tying greatness, too much greatness to O. Everybody think they going to be Floyd Mayweather. But I want to share these boxes now. Even if you retire undefeated, you're not going to be Floyd Mayweather.

[Commentator]

I agree with that. I think it's just. I never broke, was trying to protect nothing. I was trying to get it improved. I'm him.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Commentator]

And the only way you can do that is fight those guys ranked above you.

[Caleb Plant]

Yeah.

[Commentator]

You feel me?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Commentator]

And if those guys ain't ranked above you, then what we doing?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right?

[Commentator]

I'm trying to move up.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Commentator]

And the only way I can move up is fight somebody that's ranked above me.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Host]

We don't got enough of that though. Notar.

[Commentator]

I know, man. Something happened in the game where. I don't know, bro. It's like it's. You say risk over reward, but nobody taking no risks anymore, bro.

[Boxing Analyst]

You know what I like? I like the fact that Turkey is now in boxing and because he's bringing such a bigger reward, people are willing to take a risk.

[Commentator]

Yes, sir.

[Host]

But here's the thing. If I got an opportunity to fight somebody I know I can beat and I can make 15 or I can fight somebody that is a 50, 50 chance to make 30, I'm gonna make that 15. I hear you. Because now you look at me, it used to losses didn't matter in boxing.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Host]

With Sugar Ray lost with Hearn's loss, when Hagman lost with Duran, lost, with Holly, lost with Farmland, sweetie, it didn't matter.

[Commentator]

It didn't matter.

[Host]

Now all of a sudden, if you lose, he ain't no good.

[Commentator]

That's a lie. I think. I think Mayweather put that, that he raised the ceiling on that. And I think that's what everybody will be.

[Host]

Mayweather.

[Commentator]

I know, bro. And, and like even Mayweather, undefeated, though he's never been undisputed.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Commentator]

You feel me?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right?

[Commentator]

And if this man can win undisputed for the third time.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, bro.

[Commentator]

I'm giving him the goat. I don't care who you is. Peter Goat, bro.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Commentator]

And he beat Saul Canelo Alvarez to do it, bro. Gotta take your hat off to him, man.

[Boxing Analyst]

Legacy Cement.

[Host]

Antonio Tarver, ladies and gentlemen.

[Commentator]

Man, I appreciate you guys. Thanks for having me.

[Host]

Let me get on, bro. Bring me whenever you're ready.

[Boxing Analyst]

Whenever you're ready.

[Commentator]

I got you.

[Host]

We can do the recap.

[Commentator]

Yeah, do the recap. My man. God bless you. Stay up.

[Host]

Good for you, bro. My God.

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