Canelo v Crawford Radio Row Live Part 2: Dana White, Andre Ward, Roy Jones Jr. Join the Show!

Summary

Club Shay Shay — "Canelo v Crawford Radio Row Live Part 2: Dana White, Andre Ward, Roy Jones Jr. Join the Show!"

Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests: Dana White, Andre Ward, Roy Jones Jr., Fernando Vargas Sr. & Jr., with frequent mentions of Antonio Tarver
Date: September 12, 2025
Duration: ~81 minutes (main content analyzed)

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Episode Overview

This episode, broadcast live from the radio row ahead of the anticipated Canelo Alvarez vs. Terence "Bud" Crawford bout, assembles boxing legends, boxing family royalty, and UFC president Dana White to dissect the mega-fight, boxing’s current challenges, the changes in fighting culture, and the impact of business and legacy on the fight game. Shannon Sharpe, as always, keeps the conversation lively, authentic, and soaked with the competitive spirit.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Canelo vs. Crawford Superfight

Themes:

• Crawford jumping three weight classes to challenge Canelo at super middleweight (168 lbs).
• Perspectives on size, skill, conditioning, and fighting style.
• What’s at stake for both fighters’ legacies.
• Comparisons to past boxing eras and modern shortcuts.
• The business and culture of combat sports today.

Can Crawford’s Skills Overcome Canelo’s Size?

• Weight classes matter:

  • "There's weight classes for a reason, man. ...This is 36 minutes, 36 minutes of a fight, of a world championship fight. I don't know if [Crawford's] going to be able to keep a Canelo Alpha." — Fernando Vargas Sr. [03:19]
  • "I see Crawford having early success... and then I do end up seeing Canelo picking him apart in the later rounds." — Fernando Vargas Jr. [05:59]

• Crawford’s style and adaptability:

  • "Crawford...could compete in any generation. But I just feel like...the weight’s going to be a little too much in the later rounds." — Fernando Vargas Jr. [05:36]
  • "If he fights a perfect fight, right, he could beat Canelo Alvarez. He has the skills..." — Fernando Vargas Jr. [06:09]
  • "As Bud’s physique is not like flabby...Bud has everything to gain. I think there’s more pressure on Canelo." — Fernando Vargas Jr. [07:43]

• Natural weights and rehydration:

  • "Canelo coming in to fight Kel Canelo might be 185, 190 fight when he refuel." — Shannon Sharpe [08:53]
  • "Bud probably walks around naturally at 85, 90." — Shannon Sharpe [07:54]

• Will size or skill win?

  • "If Bud don't hurry up and put Canelo in that box, Canelo gonna be a problem come round 8, 9, 10 left." — Andre Ward [40:41]
  • "You ain't got to be stronger than Canelo. You just got to be strong enough." — Andre Ward [41:05]

Will the Fight Go the Distance or End Dramatically?

• "This fight, does it go the distance? ...Somebody go take to touch the canvas."
  • "I think...this is going to be [Vargas Jr.'s] coming out party... Junior's a real deal." — Fernando Vargas Sr. [16:39]

Legacy, Greatness & the ‘0’ Culture

• Fighters protecting undefeated records:

  • "People have attached greatness to the O." — Shannon Sharpe [13:17]
  • "We're in a social media era. ...If you got a big enough fan base...why risk my health and my reputation?" — Andre Ward [47:33]

• Calling back to the old days:

  • "In the 80s...nobody ducked nobody. Hagler fought Hearns, Hearn fought Duran, Duran fought in the heavyweight. Ali fought Foreman..." — Shannon Sharpe [34:12]

• Why aren’t big fights being made?

  • "Everybody wants Floyd money. But, hey, Pretty Boy Floyd, that guy was different." — Fernando Vargas Jr. [12:24]
  • "Nowadays, it's like, if I'm undefeated, I'm good. But legacy isn't about being undefeated. It's about who you fought." — Shannon Sharpe [53:01]

The Art and Mindset of Championship

• Old school mentality:

  • "I can’t sleep at night if they think he can whoop me...This is our time, right? ...We can’t sleep at night if they think he can whoop me." — Dre [35:26]
  • "Ali couldn't sleep at night if they thought Ron Lyle could whip him." — Dre [35:36]

• New school (social media-driven) mentality:

  • "All that proving to be great and legacy stuff, ain't nobody trying to hear all that. That's how they think." — Andre Ward [48:40]

• Comparing UFC and boxing matchmaking:

  • "Dana ain't letting you duck nobody." — Shannon Sharpe [14:55]
  • Dana White: "What I hate is debate. ...All the questions will be answered on Saturday in the ring." [61:05]

UFC’s Model & Boxing’s Future

Dana White on Combat Sports Business:

• "To have a great fight, what's at stake? ...You have a guy like Crawford who could stay in his lane...but to move up two weight classes, to want to prove himself, and for Canelo to accept and get the fight. This is what we all dream of as fight fans." [59:43]
• "What drives me crazy [in boxing]...there's no TV deal...you can't build...all these fights feel like a going out of business sale." [63:18]
• "The sanctioning organizations are what part of what killed boxing." [65:56]
• UFC’s approach: The best fight the best, no cherry-picking.

Breaking News: UFC at The White House in 2026

• "That is absolutely true." (on a UFC event at the White House) — Dana White [69:01]
• Fighters will walk "from the Oval Office into the octagon" on the South Lawn; up to 5,000 fans will attend with another 85,000 in an adjacent park. [70:02]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Canelo-Crawford Matchup

• "There's weight classes for a reason, man." — Fernando Vargas Sr. [03:36]
• "Skills pay the bills...fighting styles make fights." — Roy Jones Jr. [05:03]
• "If Bud can shock him enough to make him pay attention...that's how Floyd did it. Floyd shocked him early and kept...the respect." — Dre [39:59]

On Legacy and Taking Risks

• "Why are the fighters in today's era scared to take chances?" — Roy Jones Jr. [12:12]
• "Now you got the Jake Pauls...Now you're marketable. But killers like my dad...it's very different." — Fernando Vargas Jr. [12:24]
• "Legacy cannot feed your kids, currency does. True. But the problem...they know what I stood for." — Dre [52:19]

On the Impact of Undefeated Records

• "People have attached greatness to the O." — Shannon Sharpe [13:17]
• "Sugar Ray doesn't have an O. Is he not great?" — Shannon Sharpe [13:22]
• "As long as my fan base says I'm the guy and I can walk around like the guy and feel like the guy, that's enough for me. All that proving to be great and legacy stuff, ain't nobody trying to hear all that." — Andre Ward [48:40]

On Boxing’s Shift, UFC’s Rise, and Dana White’s Plans

• "What I hate is debate...there's only one way to find out." — Dana White [61:05]
• "All these fights feel like a going out of business sale." — Dana White [63:18]
• "The sanctioning organizations...killed boxing." — Dana White [65:56]
• "In 26, I'm launching my thing in 26. ...The best up and coming guys are going to fight each other." — Dana White [64:52]

Fun and Candid Interplay

• Roy Jones Jr. jokes with Dana White about fighting James Harrison in the octagon:

  • "I want to fight James Harrison in the octagon. Five rounds, five minutes." — Roy Jones Jr. [67:01]
  • Dana's reply: "57 is too old to be fighting." [66:47]

• Comparing eras, athlete mindsets, and fan culture:

  • "You got to fight. ...You should try to be the first version of you." — Shannon Sharpe [64:11]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [02:43] – Fernando Vargas Sr. & Jr. join, deep dive on Canelo vs. Crawford matchup
• [09:31] – Vargas Jr. on studying film and preparing for his own fight
• [12:12] – Roy Jones Jr. on why fighters avoid risks in the current era
• [16:20] – Vargas Sr. & Jr. on power, underdogs, and Jr.'s goals in boxing
• [19:43] – Shannon & Roy: strategy breakdown, conditioning in big fights
• [20:10] – Roy on Canelo’s typical fight plan (starts slow, picks up pressure)
• [33:13] – Andre Ward enters: Mindset of champions and refusing to duck challenges
• [37:10] – Ward & Jones discuss what Crawford must do to win
• [41:05] – Ward on Bud needing to be "strong enough"—not necessarily stronger
• [46:42] – Shannon, Roy, Ward discuss era-defining greatness if Bud wins
• [59:40] – Dana White joins, discusses fight promotion, stakes, and crossover with UFC
• [64:52] – Dana reveals plans to start boxing promotion in 2026
• [69:01] – Dana confirms UFC event planned at the White House in 2026, unique format revealed
• [77:21] – Dana White on regulatory battles, growing the UFC, and passion for the future

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Conclusion

Tone: The episode is lively, competitive, nostalgic, and deeply insightful, driven by a mixture of respect for boxing’s history, candid concern for its future, and infectious excitement for both Canelo vs. Crawford and the evolution of combat sports.

For fans:

• If you love discussions about honor and legacy in boxing, this episode delivers.
• The Canelo vs. Crawford preview is deep, honest, and full of expert insight.
• The business side—especially with Dana White’s plans—gives a clear sense of where fight sports are headed.

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Memorable Sign-off:
"I will put on the greatest bells and whistles you've ever seen Saturday night, whether you're there live or watching on TV. And then I hand the baton off to the fighters and they got to go in and deliver." — Dana White [80:45]

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For a full appreciation of boxing culture—past, present, and future—and a primer for the Canelo vs. Crawford showdown, this episode is unmissable.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Joining us now is Fernando Vargas Jr. And his dad, Fernando how you doing? Which one?

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Which one?

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Which one is Daddy?

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

You got Junior, you got Amado, you got. My brother's over here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's going on?

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Three boys here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We'll start. We'll start with you, dad. We got Canelo, we got Crawford. We got a guy that's moving up basically three weight classes. He only fought one fight at 54, so basically, he's jumping three weight classes, going to Canelo, the big dog, the undisputed 168 super middleweight undisputed king. What are your expectations of this fight, and how does Crawford solve this puzzle?

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

I love both of them. Crawford, we're. We're very cordial with one another. We, you know, we have, you know, whenever we see each other, we. We hug. He's a good dude. Same way of Canelo. But there's weight classes for a reason.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody keeps saying that, and it's the truth.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

There's weight classes for a reason, man. And I'm not saying that he's not gonna have success early, right? Because I think he's gonna have success early. But this is 36 minutes, 36 minutes of a fight, of a world championship fight. I don't know if he's going to be able to keep a Canelo Alpha.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know. That's what Tarver. We just had Tarver. Tarver says that if he can't keep Canelo off him, it's going to be hard for him to beat him because Canelo will press him. He just said, Tarva, Antonio also said the body shots. He said the body takes a lot of your conditioning.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Canelo is going to try to work the body early. What if you were. If. Let's just say for the sake of argument, you're fighting Canelo, how would you go to try to solve that puzzle?

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Well, look, us Mexicans are known for body shots.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

We were born and they slap us in the bus and then we hit the doctor with a. With a left body shot. Us Mexicans go to the body like killers. With killers. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. It's just like my own. Our whole life, we know about those body shots. Chavez killing people of the body and would knock them out. I just feel that those body shots are going to be too much. Yeah, Too much, man.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

You know, when. When I think about it. Fernando, question. If you're Bud understanding their weight classes for a reason, skills pay the bills. Yeah. Fighting styles make fights. Do you think Bud has the type of fighting style? Not saying he's Floyd Mayweather, does he have the type of fighting style, the type of footwork, the type of offense and defense where his defense can become his offense to be able to survive a 36 minute fight?

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

I believe so. You know, he started the whole fight with Spence as a southpaw.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yes.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

So for a southpaw, for another southpaw, it's like, oh, okay. So look, I think Crawford is one of the best fighters of our generation. You know, skill wise he could compete in any generation. But I just feel like my dad said, you know, right on the money. I think the weight's going to be a little too much in the later rounds. I see Crawford having early success, landing shots on Canelo. Maybe it being one sided.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

And then I do end up seeing Canelo, you know, picking him apart in the later rounds.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Even if his conditioning is on point, you still think Canelo will be able to pick him apart in the later rounds.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Look, Crawford, if he fights a perfect fight, right, he could be a Canelo Alvarez. He has the skills to be able to, you know, get fighters frustrated. He had a layoff though. I think he had like a year layoff.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yes.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

You know, that, that plays a little factor as well. So we're just going to have to see what Crawford and what color Canelo weekend Saturday.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Okay. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We. I look at Bud and you look at and I say Canelo. Canelo probably walks around at 195, 200 easy drips down.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

He got no neck too. OG he has, he's like this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And I see him doing those. As a matter of fact, y' all remind me of me.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

We did a lot of neck exercises this camp too.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

I had him do a lot of the. Is that type of exercises if we needed it. And we're good to go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. And, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm. And I'm looking at him is that he mentioned that Crawford southpaw, but he got dynamite in his right hand. He's a natural southpaw.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he can find orthodox very few people. But has, has Canelo fought anybody other than Floyd that can put punches together like Crawford?

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

No.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Nope, I don't think so. I think, I think Crawford, he, he has that wild card. He has that it factor where it's like, okay, Crawford, I'm gonna be real with you. When this fight first got caught up, I thought it was like a. Like what? Canelo's too big. Canelo all the way. As it's getting closer, as Bud's physique is not like flabby. And you see him Bill, I'm like, hold on. Bud has everything to gain. I think there's more pressure on Canelo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

If he wins, it's like he was Crawford's two way classes. I mean he was trying to achieve greatness. But if Crawford wins, Crawford gets all the praise of being the, you know, all time great for the generation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I thought, I think Crawford, because Crawford was having to strip down to 47. Crawford probably walks around naturally at 85, 90. So now he doesn't have to come. You drop that extra 20 pounds that he would normally get to have to go to 46, 7. Now he can stop it at 68. So how, if you were to say, let's just say three months after a fight, how much three, four months after a fight, how much you think Bud weigh when he was fighting at 147, how much you think he weighed?

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Yeah, about 60, 68.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think that's, that's. I think Bud was bigger than that. I think Bud. Hold on.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

But, but brothers don't put on as.

[Dana White]

Much weight as Mexicans.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Walk around like 190.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You guys, you guys, we envy your metab. Believe.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Look at, we look at food and we already, we already.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You guys, you guys eat whatever you guys want.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

You see what Canelo rehydrate £50.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Canelo, Canelo coming in to fight Kel Canelo might be 185, 190 fight when he, when he refuel.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Yeah, guaranteed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, absolutely. He going to be 190. Easy, easy. Y. For sure. For sure.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah. So, Fernando. Yes. Saturday you're going up against Calum Walsh. I'm sure. Do you watch much film before a fight? Do you watch film on boxers like we do? When it comes to football, you watch your opponents so you can get their tendencies, what they like to do, see what you can find. Pick things that you might see that works on them when they fight other fighters. Do you guys do that?

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Absolutely. You know, he said he didn't do his due diligence and watch film or tape that's on you. You know what I mean? I have a legend father where we took this fight serious. I mean, I've had over a two month camp. I had way more time than needed for this guy. Of course I studied tape on him. He's a great fighter. You know, he has the backing of Freddie Roach. And when I do beat him, I want my flowers. Not because of daddy, not because they've been cherry picking this way. God made this moment for me and I'm gonna show the world what I'm about.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

So when you do watch film on a calendar, Walsh, what challenges does he present when it comes to fighting in the ring? If there are. If there are any.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

I got to be smart early. You know, he. He has. He has the power and I have the power to end things early. So I know for the first couple rounds, I got to be in there super smart, nice, tight guard. And without going in too much into my game plan, I just know that Callum is not a better fighter than me. He wants to talk about the experience. And I find people in Russia, and that's amateur. That's amateur's, bro. The best of Cubans.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yes.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Haven't converted as the best of pros.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yes.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

And I'm extremely, extremely motivated for this fight. And the casinos have me as the underdog. I'm not worried about it, baby. You can never kind of Vargas out, and I'm just gonna show the world, you know, Dana White made a big mistake, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on. Being a. Being a. A dad of being a professional fighter yourself. Is this the profession you wanted your kids to go?

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

No, no.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

He had. He had college paid for. He had. He didn't want me to do this.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Check this out. I would put these guys in Pop Warner basketball, right?

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

I would be one of the best.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Andre Ward]

Each.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Each of them. If they didn't make three touchdowns a game, it wasn't a game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

The athletic basketball. He's a Hooper.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

They didn't play football like him, but you know what I'm saying, He's a Hooper.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

And. And I put. And I wanted my kids not to fight. None of them. Yeah, but my competitor, Frankie baby says it's like this, champ. You don't want your kids to finally go, no. And he goes, okay, who's gonna tell your kids they can't be like their dad? Because I'm not gonna tell them.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

And we still can't, though. You know, my dad. My dad, but to me, you know, he's Superman, man. My dad. I don't know if I could save it like this, but, you know, my dad had the courage to fight anyone in any given night. You don't see that with fighters. No, More like win, loser, draw. You knew that my dad was coming to fight. He was either gonna fight you in the weigh ins or win, loser, draw. I mean, Vargas is gonna give you a great fight. And that's what this generation is missing, is putting. Putting your records on the line and just giving fight fans great fights.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Why are the fighters and the today's era, scared to take chances.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

I think the Floyd generation kind of, you know, affected us a little bit. You know, everybody wants to be Floyd.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Have Floyd money said that?

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Everybody wants Floyd money. But hey, Pretty Boy Floyd, that, that, that guy was different. Diego Coralez, Arturo Gotti moving up in weight. I mean, my dad was in the Olympics with him. So it's just, it's a different time. Know, now we got the Jake Paul's and, you know, you got a cute little left hook. You got a nice smile now. Now you're marketable. So it's just killers like my dad, you know, is. Is just very different. You know, you had to really be a dog back, back in my dad's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Day to be champion.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

The 154 pound division in my dad's day. Trinidad Oscar, Mos.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My dad, Winky.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Remember that Winky fight?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Dad went and balled that fight. I was like, okay, yeah, rest in peace.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Rest in peace.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. When you said something very interesting, you said under the O is that people have attached greatness to the oath.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is that. Do we not. Because Sugar Ray doesn't have a O. Is he not great?

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Sugar Ray Robinson is one of the best fighters.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sugar Ray Leonard. Sugar Ray Robinson.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Sugar Robinson. Sugar Raid Leonard. One of the best fighters that I ever did.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But now guys like, man, I don't want to. If you got an O and I got an O, I ain't trying to risk my O. Yeah. I want to keep my O intact.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

I don't know what, what, you know, times we're living in.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

You know, I mean, but you know, when I, when, when I was champion, I want to fight the best.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Because I'm the best. You know, every five world champions. Oh. Marquez, Winky Wright, Aqua T, Javier Casino.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

And the former hall of Famers and world champions that beat me didn't walk away saying it was easy because I was in their ass, too.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

But it's like, even in my dad's losses, I tell my dad all the time, dad, the Trinidad fight, you know how much, you know how much courage you showed that night?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Oscar, you almost had him out of there early. Like, some of my dad's losses were his biggest wins. And that's what boxing's missing nowadays, and we need more of that.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

People tell me that. People tell me that your wins are like lost, your losses are like wins. I go, really?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why?

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

What do you mean? They go, you gave everything, bro. You're in the fight, too. You're these Fools up, too.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

But, you know, it happens. I go, thank you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you. But you was willing to fight always that you was willing to fight. You didn't duck anybody.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Always.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And guys that guys didn't duck. It seems like now it's like, bro, y' all too, the best fight. I think that's why UFC has gotten so much attention.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dana ain't letting you duck nobody.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

He's like, I'm putting up the money. I got Turkey. I got my man Turkey here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's good?

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Like, y' all gotta fight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So fight. Fight. Yeah, that's. And that's what we want to see. We shouldn't have to go years. Yep. That a fight. Create buzz like this one is created. We used to have this all. We have two or three of these.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to go two, three years before you have a fight. That man, people talk about, right?

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

That's just the times we're living in.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Social media time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

I mean, no, I didn't know who the hell Jake Paul was until I saw him on social media.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Right, right, right.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

300 million followers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

And that you were popping before. I think MySpace was out, barely MySpace, but I'm saying, like, social media wasn't even out. And it was just that it was crazy. It was different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you, this is how different would it have been if you'd had social media? If you had the Internet, you had ig, you had Tick Tock, you had. And then.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

And then people tell me like this, you were huge in those times and you didn't even have social media.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Right.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

People remember me still to this day, and I have social media back then, but guess what? Now it's a social media era. And which is great. You know, it gives people an opportunity to make more money if. If they got that. That following.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? Yeah. This fight, does it go to distance? Somebody getting somebody. Somebody. Somebody go take to touch the canvas.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

I think that. See, everybody thinks that Junior is a facade. We have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

We fighters that we need to fight to build our records. But guess what? The last fight that he fought against, against Korea. What was his name?

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

His name's Korea.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He fought.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

And he knocked them out. Now, like I said, Junior hit hard as a little kid, and to this day, they think it's a facade. But guess what? This is going to be his coming out party.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Oh, yeah.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

And everybody's going to be like, Junior's a real deal.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

But it's like when this fight's praising my power, praising his power. I'M gonna show, like a box, like a counterpunch. Like, it's not just power in there. Like, I want to show that I'm a complete fighter. And when they say 154 pound division, like, after this, of course, I'm not overlooking Callum, but my eyes are on Fedora. My eyes are on Virgil.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

My eyes.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Those are the fights that excite me. I want that. I want glory for myself.

[Andre Ward]

Virgil Ortiz.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, let's go.

[Dre]

Look.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

I mean, if not, why would I be in this sport?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Right? Right.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Just, dad, give me fights. Nah, I'm in here. And I really want to be taken serious, you know? And I want to show that this junior could compete with the highest level.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

I like it. I like it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How difficult was it to coach, knowing what you accomplished? How difficult was it to coach a kid?

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

It wasn't. It wasn't difficult.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because that's a lot of pressure. You're world champion.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

No, no, no. It was difficult. Like, I became a. I'm gonna be honest with you, you guys, I. I became a trainer because of Emiliano, my third son.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay? He.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

One day, we're. I took him to some amateur fights, and he. He was just dumbfounded. He. Papa, Daddy, I want to do that. I want to do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't want to do that.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

You don't want to do that. And then I go. Then I go, then. Okay, if you tell me after school to take you to the boxing gym, I'll take you to the boxing gym. I picked him up. The first thing that came out of his mouth was like, they took him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To the boxing gym.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

What am I gonna tell him?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, right?

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

And so I became a trainer. And look at Milano. Killer just like his daddy, you know? Killer just like his daddy.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

What did Floyd Senior say?

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Dad, you're not gonna be no good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't gonna be no good if you're not.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

I don't need a Roger Mayweather. I got my dad right there. To the top, to the top.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

I like it, I like it, I like it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I love it, man.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

My brother.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Thank you. Thank you so much.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't forget the junior.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

When they go. When I said this, when people go, Fernando, I go, don't forget the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Fernando, Fernando. Thank you, Junior. Yeah. Thank you, man. Absolutely.

[Fernando Vargas Jr.]

Thank you.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Thank you, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man, it's been amazing, man. It's. To see, you know, I haven't been around a whole lot, you know, a whole lot of fighters in this type of environment. Obviously, you know, met a few guys and. And. But to sit here and to hear them talk about how they think this fight is going to break down, I guess, you know, we do what we do. We talk about. We talk about. We talk about football.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And we talk about how this thing. We think this thing's going to play out, because we look at the offense, we look at the defense, we look at the skill sets of. Of both sides, like, okay, we think it's going to be like this. But to hear them, you know, hey, even Bud might come out and take the rounds early.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But can he sustain it at that weight in the later rounds, knowing that Canelo is going to take some middle rounds off X, Y, and Z. So it's interesting to see how this ch. This cat and mouse game, how this thing actually is going to play out.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

If you look at the routine and the way Canelo fights, he always starts slow. He always starts slow. He doesn't. He doesn't start pressuring you until maybe round three, four, five. And he puts that pressure on then for some reason, and he does it every fight. He takes off round six, seven, and eight, and then pours it back on for the remainder of the fight. He does the same thing in every fight, regardless of who he's fighting. So I think Bud has a good chance to take an early lead on the scorecard in the early rounds. But, boy, once. Once Canelo turns it up and start coming forward, it's a different ball game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's going to be very interesting. Bud says he's ready, he's taking his time and put the weight on. This was not a rush job. And like I said, he doesn't have to strip down. He doesn't have to take meat off the bone in order for him to make that 147.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because as we get older, it's harder and harder to keep that weight down bad.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Please get it off of you. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, especially once you. You put it on. And like I said, we talk about Floyd, but Floyd is. Is a smaller man. And so Floyd is not a. It's not 170 pound man. Florida is not 160 pound man. Florida is about 150 to 155 pound man. So you're asking him to take two to five pounds off and be at weight. So when he comes in, at. When he comes in, I bet when Floyd would refuel, Floyd probably weigh 140, 149, 150 and a half.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's why it was nothing for him. He's like, man, I got to get to go to 154. Well, hell, he walk around at 155. All he had to do is drop a half a pound.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah, that's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he doesn't have to do this crazy stuff and take all that weight off him and do all this crazy stuff. He doesn't have to do that. Yeah, I, I look, I. I think Bud, you know, Vargas Jr. Said he think Bud would walk around at 75. I think Bud probably walks around at 85. Yeah, but Canelo definitely walks around at 295 to 200.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Big boy. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was telling how Mexicans have a man. Y'. All. Y' all don't gain no weight. I look at food. It makes the fighters gain weight. So it's gonna be. It's gonna be very interesting to see.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

I'm excited.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How long or will we notice the conditioning factor? Because at some point in time, I mean, you know, and like we said, Ocho.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sparring is one thing. Training camp is one thing. But now you fighting in there with a guy that's really trying to take your head off, because when you spar, you got headgear.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Different ball game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's a whole different ball game. So I'm anxious to see this thing, how this thing really shakes out.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you thinking?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

I'm excited. I'm pulling for Bud. I'm pulling for Bud. I understand the sweet science, though. I understand there are weight classes for a reason. But I'm pulling up a Bud to cement himself in history and do something that not many have done. The willingness to take a chance in making history is commendable. It is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is. Oh, so sure.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm excited. I hope he executes his game plan. I hope he does.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm. I'm pulling for him. And sometimes. Don't you look, you can execute perfect and still not be perfect.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah. Might not be enough. You're perfect. Might not be enough on that night, especially with them damn judges out here. But don't get me started. Judges out here in Vegas.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think what you call him, I think. Can Bud clip him? Can. But can. Can. Can Bud hurt Canelo?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Clip him? Yes. Hurt him. Oh, he wasn't even hurt with Triple.

[Shannon Sharpe]

G, I think, because he wasn't hurt with Baval. You remember the movie Predator?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Arnold Schwarz? With Arnold Schwarzer? Yeah, the Predator. And he saw that. He saw that green stuff on the leaves. He said, if he'll bleed, we can kill him.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah, I remember that part. Remember that part? Remember that part. That's the one with the one from Rocky.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Carl Weathers and Carl Weathers.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah, Carl Weathers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When that's the thing. Bud's gonna have to be able to hurt him to see that he can beat.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

He can do it. Yeah. Anything to add a little bit more confidence.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because it's gonna. It's hard to. To a guy that size. And look, Bud is like, the fight's gonna play out how it's gonna play out.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I don't. It's hard for me to see a scenario where Bud thinks he could outpoint him.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

It's gonna be difficult. I've seen one person out, point out, point Canelo, and that was Mayweather.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, that was. But that wasn't even close. Yeah.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

When he fought Baval, that was overpowering strength.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you did. Yeah. Yeah.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

You were just overpowered. You're fighting a bigger man. You're fighting a more powerful man. Yeah. So that's why it looked like so overwhelmed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If Baval is going to the ring at 175. Hell, he weighed 210, 215 probably. He's coming out from 210, 215, probably. But at the end of the day, that's what it comes down. It comes down to. Look, we know Bud is scale. We know Bud will fight. Bud will not retreat. And. And basically, in order for him to. If he feels that he's not gonna run, that's not in his DNA.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

But you got to be smart.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's not.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

It's not a time for ego. This is not a time for pride. It's about iq, Ring iq. Being smart, engaging when necessary, setting traps, doing whatever you need to do to fight smart and win that fight by decision, or everybody got a puncher chance.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I don't think you get him out of there with one punch, but I think you can put punches together.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

No, no, no. And it has to be something he doesn't even realize is coming.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. And that's the thing. That's what makes Bud dangerous, is because Bud is, as a natural lefty, but he has power in the right. And so he can fight out of the southpaw stance. He can fight under the orthodox.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it's going to be very, very interesting to see this thing. Jim, you know, Jim said this, this would be Holyfield Tyson.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you got two accomplished guys. Very accomplished. Leon Spinks, when he beat Muhammad Ali. Spinks wasn't accomplished right now. He was an Olympic gold medalist. He won the 70. He and his brother, along with Sugar Ray and I think Davis won the gold medal in 76 in Montreal. And so he hadn't had a whole lot of fights when he beat Muhammad Ali. So he wasn't accomplished. He wasn't a champion boxer like Canelo. He wasn't a champion boxer like Bud.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bud is a two. In the four Blood era, he's the only. He's the first man to be undisputed in two weight classes.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And we know what Canelo is.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's the undisputed super middleweight. So we got two very accomplished fighters, but we got a guy that moved up basically three weight classes.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And if he were to beat him.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

You heard Tarver say he's immediately calling him the goat, no matter what.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You would have to. I think it would be bigger than Holyfield Tyson for the simple fact. Holyfield. Holyfield didn't move up. Holyfield was already fighting at the heavyweight division.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He had already fought Riddick Bow, he had already fought George Foreman. He had already fought guys at that heavy Michael Moore. So he had already fought guys at that point. Here's the guy. His first fight at 168 is against Canelo.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Is that boy.

[Dre]

He fights that boy?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, he jumped. He pole vaulted 160. He. He didn't stop at 160.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He went to 60, 68 and basically just had one fight at 54 when he fought the best of his career at 47 or below. So this would be. This would be huge. This would be huge. And you know, Roy beating Ruiz, I remember.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But nobody thought Ruiz is a. As a great heavyweight.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Well, it wasn't as decorated either.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

But the fact that Roy was able to go up to heavyweight and do it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

And that's again, Styles make fights.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Roy had the style and the skill to be able to go to heavyweight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

And do just that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. And the thing is, is that Roy had to gain weight. Roy, I mean, Roy was fighting at 68, so, you know, to go up to make 193 right now, Roy probably walks around. Probably walking around at probably 180.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah. Back then.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Supremely skilled. I mean, Roy had elite defense. Roy had skill. Roy had that left fastest hands. Yeah. Man body. I mean, Roy could do it all. Roy literally could do it all.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Roy Jones Jr.]

Crazy power.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

What's up?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

What's up?

[Andre Ward]

You skinny, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's up, Dre? You good? Good to see you.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

You felt that when you hugged me, huh? But these hands here, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right there, right there. You nervous handed. You handed them. Yeah, Chad.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Actually he nervous.

[Andre Ward]

It ain't enough there.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Chad.

[Andre Ward]

Chad. It ain't even.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

I'm too.

[Andre Ward]

What? I don't mean nothing.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

I'm.

[Andre Ward]

205.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Andre Ward joins the show. Drake. It's been a long time since we had this kind of buzz about a fight. Yeah, we, we, we got buzz. We got a guy that's basically pole v3 weight classes to take on the ultimate challenge. And I don't think we have enough of those guys willing to take that challenge. Come on.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Come on, bro.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Andre Ward]

Come on, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Dre]

What's up?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

What's up, man?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You walking like you got a hill fish, man.

[Andre Ward]

That's the knees. That's the knees. That's that basketball, man. That ain't boxing. That's basketball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just told. It's been a while, Roy, since we had a fight, right, that generate this kind of buzz, right? We got a guy that basically pole vaulted three weight classes. He had one fight at 54, he pole ball to 60, he landed at 68 to fight the take the ultimate challenge. And I was telling Dre, I don't think we got enough of guys in this sports that's willing to take the challenge. Because everybody wants to keep this. They want to keep. Stay perfect.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And everybody wants to be Floyd Mayweather. I said even if you in your career and you ain't got no losses, people are not going to look at you like they look at Floyd Mayweather. So stop trying to be Floyd and take on challenges. Like in the 80s when the four horsemen, the seven is the heavyweight, fought everybody. You didn't duck nobody. Hagler fought Hearns, Hearn fought Duran, Duran fought in the heavyweight. Ali fought Foreman. Foreman fought Frazier, fought Ken Nor, fought Ron L. Damn. Ernest.

[Andre Ward]

Go ahead and take that, Roy. Take that one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Take it.

[Dre]

What he said? What he saying?

[Andre Ward]

He saying a lot.

[Dre]

No, what he saying though?

[Andre Ward]

He saying a lot.

[Dre]

What he said about your boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Which one?

[Dre]

I ain't saying nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Anyway, there you go.

[Andre Ward]

Why they picking on me to.

[Dre]

What he said is people don't care enough no more about being the goat or being the best. You understand me? You got to think about it. When you played football.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Dre]

You didn't want no other top notch wide receiver on the other side. You didn't want nobody else top notch on your team, in your position, right? You want to be the man at that, right? When I fought, I didn't want nobody else come close to what I was doing. Because I wanted to be the man. If I thought somebody was a weight class up or three way class up, I gotta go see him. I can't sleep at night if I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don'T go see him. I'm not that dude.

[Dre]

But this is where we come from.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This time.

[Dre]

This is our time, right?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Right.

[Dre]

We can't sleep at night if they think he can whoop me. Ali couldn't sleep at night if they thought Ron Locker would pimp.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Dre]

You understand me? It's just not what a champion truly is built out of. You know, when I see Tarvo that night, he just left here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Dre]

He know deep down in my heart.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Heart, he still feeling way fighting. Right.

[Dre]

I love him to death. He free. I love he good. People never against him at all. But if they pay me the right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Money, we got to go again. That's how I am. Yeah. You feel me?

[Dre]

I'm so sorry, but that's just how it goes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's how you.

[Dre]

Boxing has lost that. Because boxing has lost that. It's giving people an opportunity to come in like Jake Paul, steal the steam. Because don't get. Make no mistake about it. An old man told me this one time, two mules are a great race. Meaning that if you got a racehorse out there that won't race another race horse, he gonna blow all the mules up. Don't I want to see that? But when you put that mule like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That with another mule, you're gonna get.

[Dre]

A good damn race.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow.

[Dre]

That's what boxing has to do. I ain't never heard we ain't got two mules. We got two race horse ass.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yes.

[Dre]

Two thoroughbreds that are about to get. This is what the sport has been missing. Nobody. I had to go all the way up to heavyweight to make it happen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Dre]

Because I couldn't get nobody in my era, around my time at my weak.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Class, to create the atmosphere. They wanted you to go across the water, fight Kazakh.

[Andre Ward]

Mecca Chef.

[Dre]

I wasn't doing that. Why?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He had one belt. You had about 10 belts.

[Dre]

What am I going to take all my stuff? I'm the man. You should come over here while I'm going HBO offer them great money because come he said no. So that tell me, y' all must have something to come over there. Y' all gotta plan for me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I remember what happened to me in 88. I ain't going to let that happen again.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Hey, go ahead. You understand the game of boxing a little bit. You understand the sweet science better than anybody that's going to be watching. What does Bud need to do to win this fight? What type of fight does he need to fight to win this fight?

[Andre Ward]

That's not an easy answer.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Right?

[Andre Ward]

So what I'm saying is he gotta do a lot of things right. So he gotta answer the. The strength question. When we bump for the first time and we bump shoulders and we clench each other, am I gonna be able to get my respect there?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Okay.

[Andre Ward]

Because if not, it's gonna be a hard night when I. When I punch, when. When Terrence starts getting off offensively.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Right.

[Andre Ward]

Is Canelo laughing or can he. Does he feel something at least enough where you got respectable power, where I can't get crazy and get reckless with you. When Canelo hits Terrence for the first time, what's the response gonna be? We got a lot more questions than we got answers leading into this fight. And that's how you know it's a great fight. If I looked at the landscape and I said, man, from 154 to 168, who's a name that could give Terence Crawford a run for his money and potentially beat him? It would be a Canelo Alvarez. He at the top of the list. But if I said, what's a smaller dude that can come up two, really three way classes since he fought aerospence and challenge Canelo Alvarez, it would be Terence Crawford.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Andre Ward]

If any smaller fighter can do it, it's him. And it ain't just Terrence's physical ability or who he fought. It's this and it's this. It's the stuff you can't see. Yeah, I gotta wins. Win or die for me. I can't fathom losing against you and having to live with that for the rest of my. That's the type of stuff that'll make you figure it out.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Right?

[Andre Ward]

So on one hand, you Got to lean toward Crawford from the standpoint of I think he going to find a way to figure it out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Andre Ward]

But then you got all the physical advantages and the skill set and the power of Canelo Alvarez.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You, we talked about this. You moved up from 68 to go to one night to go to heavyweight heavy to fight ruiz. You weigh 193. That at the weigh in, 25 pounds you put on to go fight Ruiz. But, but I, and I was talking to Vargas senior and I was talking to someone else, Kayla Plant. I say Canelo, if he's stripping down to go to 168, Canelo walking around at 195, maybe even 200 Mexican carry the weight. So. And I said, bud, Bud probably walking around. Bud probably walking around with 180 to get. Go down to 40.

[Andre Ward]

186, 185.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I'm saying. So now he get to stop at 68. But thinking Rob's cardio moving, Rob's cardio punching, Rob's cardio, can he do for 36 minutes? Can he stay mentally sharp, mentally focused, locked in and put punches together to keep Canelo up off it?

[Dre]

Like Dre said, if he can shock him enough to make him pay attention to. To that lick, that would keep anybody. That's how Floyd did it. Yeah, Floyd shocked him earlier and kept. Got the respect, right? And kept him out there on the outside a little bit. If Bud can do that, then Canelo would be in for a long night. If Bud can't do that, then Bud is in for a long night. But like he said, the only person that could beat both of them right now and in this situation would be each other. Whoever can come out and get their respect early is going to win the fight. Whoever come out and take over in that first and second round, it's going to win the fight. Because if Bud don't hurry up and put Canelo in that box, Canelo gonna be a problem.

[Andre Ward]

Come around.

[Dre]

8, 9, 10 left.

[Andre Ward]

Yeah, let me, let me, let me say this about, about Bud, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He.

[Andre Ward]

For him to be successful in this fight and win this fight, he got to control himself so that I'mma show you that alpha male. I'm always coming out on top. You got to reserve that until the right time. So in other words, you ain't got to be stronger than Canelo. You just got to be strong enough.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Andre Ward]

You ain't got to hit harder than Canelo. You just got to hit hard enough. And that's the discipline of saying okay. You might not respect my power like you would a regular 68 pounder, but you respect it enough.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Andre Ward]

And he's got to stay within that. And I think the fight really going to start from the seventh round on.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Oh, okay.

[Andre Ward]

The first six rounds, it could be four, two. Canelo going into seven. It could be four, two, but it could be three, three. That's when we gonna tap into conditioning. That's when we gonna see how the weight is affecting Bud. That's when we gonna see. Is Canelo gonna fade like we typically see him fade?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yes. Yeah.

[Andre Ward]

From the seventh round on, that's when this fight gonna start.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because when you go back and look at Canelo, the only guy that he's ever fought that could put punches together, beat him, that's Mayweather. He's never punched, fought anybody else that can put punches together like.

[Andre Ward]

And that was a. That could have went either way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? So if, if, if. Bud, you said something very interesting. You said ego. But don't get reckless. You could be an alpha, gotta control reckless with it. Because you get reckless with it, you walk in this up in the heat, turn the lights out the place, open yourself wide open. Wide open. So the question is, can Bud put two, three, four punches together? They're like that got Canela like, hold on. Damn. I can't just walk up in here.

[Dre]

These be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, they. Hey, they not horny. But these yellow jackets hurt too.

[Andre Ward]

He gonna have to, but gonna have to. Yeah, they're gonna have to put them.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Together early in spots. Yeah.

[Andre Ward]

Early on it's ones and twos.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, right.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Andre Ward]

That second, third round and our twos and threes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Andre Ward]

Gotta test you out. Once we get on that back half now, I can stay there a little bit longer. Yacht.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yacht.

[Andre Ward]

Yacht. Yeah, you can sit on, see how you doing. Yeah, It's a progression. It's not all at one time.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

No, no, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you know Canelo trying to sit down on everything.

[Dre]

Of course.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Canelo trying to get you up out of the room.

[Dre]

Supposed to be. He's a bigger man. If you don't come in with that mindset, you lost already.

[Andre Ward]

But the thing we're not talking about with Canelo is Canelo can box too.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah. His defense.

[Andre Ward]

I call Canelo and Crawford puncher boxers, not boxer punchers. Meaning they really want to get to it. They can box, but they really don't like to. If you see Canelo moving around the ring, if you see Terrence moving around the ring, it's either to rest for a second or to reset. So they can do what they really want to do, which is get that shot in. That's going to change the course of the fight. They punch a boxer, so I got to see that on display. I want to see who's going to control that. But Canelo can box.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Andre Ward]

He just don't have to. And he don't really like to, but he can box.

[Dre]

Here's the problem, though. You know, both of them. You know, both of them have spent a lot of time with Turk. You know, Turkish hate, both of them. You know, Turk told him he don't want no decision.

[Andre Ward]

I don't think they listening to that.

[Dre]

Huh?

[Andre Ward]

I don't think they listening today.

[Dre]

All right.

[Andre Ward]

Cuz they don't get. They going to get paid regardless.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, all right.

[Dre]

But I'm just saying he don't want no decision.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

You got a turkey. Not in the ring.

[Dre]

I'm just saying everybody.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Everybody goes into the fight with a game plan.

[Dre]

I understand that.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

You got to execute that game plan and make adjustments round by round.

[Andre Ward]

That's good to set a fight. That's good to set a fight. It sound good. We talking about it. It ain't gonna have no bearings on this fight.

[Dre]

Here go the problem, though. If you go in there and let Canelo get that real estate going this way early, you already lost.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Dre]

If you go in that Canelo let Bud get that real estate early, you already lost. So what Turk wants. It's inevitable is what I'm basically trying to say.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Okay, okay.

[Dre]

What he wants right now, tonight on Saturday night, is inevitable because Bud can't give up room and neither can Canelo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Whoever give up that real estate, you.

[Dre]

Get green lose that fight.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Dre]

Just what I tell you.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

So it. It going to force you to fight no matter what?

[Dre]

Trust what I said. So what he wants is inevitable.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Anyway, we got a guy in Bud. It's very few. Bud is a southpaw, but, boy, he got power in the orthodox. Very few. Very few fighters got can. Can turn the lights out of a building with either hand. We saw him start with Spence, he southpaw. And then all of a sudden, he switch up like this. Who this other guy in the ring? Cause I was fighting the guy who hit me when he left, and now they gotta try to tear me up with the right. Hold up. Which one of y' all hit me?

[Andre Ward]

Yeah, which one y' all hit me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Could that be a problem for Canelo?

[Andre Ward]

Yeah, let me take this.

[Dre]

Let me take this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go for.

[Dre]

Could have been a problem until in came boots. Enos who also does that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That. Oh, that's very well you can take.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Now, that's why he had him in camp.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Canelo had boots.

[Andre Ward]

Yes.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah, Boots. Boots. Fight unorthodox and southpaw.

[Andre Ward]

Really good.

[Dre]

Yes.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Oh, now it makes sense. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I thought he was just getting ready.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I thought he was getting ready for his fight. He taking dance.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

I thought he was getting ready for his fight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was, but.

[Andre Ward]

But he was helping Canelo, too.

[Dre]

Yeah, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The mere fact, first of all, he understands what. What Bud is in the four bed era. He's the first man to be undisputed in two weight classes. So, you know, first of all, it's a boxing match. That man got an unblemished record. You got an unblemished record. So you know a fact. But Canelo also understands this. This is people say. Say what? It as accomplished, you get accomplished. Like Canelo, undisputed super middleweight. We got a guy that's been undisputed at two weight classes. Now, we can say Buster Douglas when he beat Mike Tyson, but Buster Douglas was not as accomplished as a Canelo or Crawford. Leon speaks. When he beat Muhammad Ali, he was not as accomplished. And we. So this right here, here, what Bud would do. I don't know. Roy Dre, y' all been around the sport. You did the sport. You're world champion. I don't know how high this go if Bud were to do this, but it's got to be pretty damn.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Would that not make him the greatest of all time?

[Dre]

I don't say greatest of all time.

[Andre Ward]

We can't. We can't say that. No, we can't. The greatest of all time.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

If he goes out there and beats Canelo at 168 going up two weight classes.

[Andre Ward]

Listen, man, that is a great feat. He up there.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Andre Ward]

Of all time.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Okay.

[Andre Ward]

I don't even think Bud would say that.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Andre Ward]

We talking past Robinson, we talking past Ali.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Okay? You're right.

[Andre Ward]

We got to be careful with that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

I'm. I'm speaking. I'm speaking of the essence of. Of the time we're in now where we can't even get fighters.

[Andre Ward]

This era we talking.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

We can't even get up. We can't even get. Get our best fighters to fight each other right now.

[Andre Ward]

Yeah.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

And we got Bud taking a chance.

[Dre]

I wonder why.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Going up.

[Andre Ward]

He feeling away about that, huh? Feeling away about that.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Why? Why?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why? Let me.

[Andre Ward]

Let me go back. But no, it ain't just. It ain't just the odo. Let Me, Let me go back to the conversation about why the fight's not happening. If you got a big enough fan base, you got a big enough social following, right? Why would I risk. And I'm saying this is what I believe the youngsters are thinking. Why would I risk my health and my reputation? Because really, the reputation, I think they thinking about that more than they thinking about their health.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Right?

[Andre Ward]

As long as my fan base feels like I'm him, why would I have to risk proving that I'm him?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Wait, the fan base ain't cutting the chest.

[Andre Ward]

I got you, okay? But some of them still getting the money without fake facing top competition. So let me tell you how the youngsters thinking. They looking at the old heads now saying, y' all were stupid. You fought. You fought him. You fought him for that. They looking at facing tough challenges like they laughing at it like, dude, I got this. To face him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The.

[Andre Ward]

The whole dynamic has changed. The whole paradigm shift. As long as my fan base says I'm the guy and I can walk around like the guy and feel like the guy, that's enough for me. All that proven to be great and legacy stuff, ain't nobody trying to hear all that. That's what. That's. Whether we like it or not. That's how they think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I believe. I believe 100 what you say. But when it's done, and then people don't give them credit, they wonder why. They wonder why they still hold Sugar Ray Leonard and these great fighters and the Roy Jones and all these other fighters in high regard because they fought everybody. You go back and look at the age the. The. When they had the Four horsemen, the Field Horseman with Iran Barkley, they fought everybody. You go back and look at the 70s in the heavyweight division, nobody duck. Nobody. Now, bro, you undefeated. It's like if I go to a. I'm going to a game. Tickets for sale. I want to buy tickets. We'll buy the tickets. He's selling. You need tickets?

[Andre Ward]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You undefeated. You talking about you want to fight the best. You're undefeated. You undefeated.

[Andre Ward]

But go fight the game different.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

It's a different game. You know what? Even though it's a different game right now, Roy and. And Drake, I think with Turkey being into the game now, I think more fighters that are really good, that have those heroes that have the skill set, make the fight, because I'm willing to take the risk for the reward that he paying.

[Andre Ward]

It's a big reward.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There it is.

[Andre Ward]

And I do appreciate that about Turkey. You can say what you Want to say he's paying him?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Andre Ward]

It's so many times fighters had high risk, low reward. You look at the money, it's like y' all chopping that up five different ways. This is, this is what he brought home after y' all got y' all money. And he fought a. A 12 round back that man in the hospital right now. That's what y' all giving? 15, 15, 12. It's different now. So I appreciate that man saying, look, I want the best fights, but I'm gonna pay you because of it. That's all we asking.

[Dre]

That's all.

[Andre Ward]

Get your money. Because it is prize fighting. It's not pride fighting. Yeah, my babies can't eat Legacy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nope.

[Andre Ward]

The legacy is for me in my name.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Andre Ward]

I can't live with myself unless I knew I didn't tested the waters and seen if I was the baddest man. That's for the me and my name. But really, my kids, I got to make sure this money Right.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I think that's why kind of UFC is kind of taking over. Because Dana White ain't gonna let nobody duck.

[Andre Ward]

Well, they can't choose this. Who you gonna fight?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, so you. Okay, you got the bell. Okay. You're fighting number one contender. Okay. You gotta. Well, you just beat the number one when you fight number two. Well, okay, guess what? Four and five, y' all gonna fight to see who's fighting number one, defeat the two who going to fight for the title.

[Dre]

And that's why they try to get him involved with boxing too. Cuz they think that's the.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

That's the key, the blueprint.

[Dre]

Fix that problem.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's the blueprint. Yes. But, but Roy, you wanted to fight. You fought James, Tony, you whoever, whoever. If you had. First of all, if you. Once you168, you can't have no belt. In my era, you were pay. You paying a west suspenders, but you're not f to have a belt because I'm gonna get it all.

[Dre]

Not at all. Not at all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And, and, and for the challenges for you to say, you know what, I got to go on up here. And you did you. You skipped cuz a lot of people and say, okay, I'm going to be a light heavy. And then I'll go for heavy. You, you jumped over there and then came back down again.

[Dre]

I jumped over Cruiser.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, you jumped over Cruiser.

[Dre]

But, but I'mma say this, I'mma say this part to what he said. Said I understand what he's saying. Legacy can't feed your kids, right? Currency does. True. But the problem with the part they mixing missing is that if I got a fan base of fans in the United States and they love me to death and I stay protected, I don't do nothing when I retire. What happens when I go abroad? When I go abroad right now, because I fought in and everybody came my way, I am like Michael Jordan abroad because they know what I ate, what I did, right? They know what I went through. This man just bought me a gold medal back home not long ago because of what I did him way back then in 1988.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Dre]

They know my presence. They know what I mean, they know what I stood for. So it's like not that fan base here in the United States. I do have a good fan base.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In the United States.

[Dre]

I love them, I appreciate it. But I'm not here to fool a fan base. I'm here to prove the truth. I am the best of my time, my era. Nobody here disputes that. You understand me? So to be able to say, oh, I can make my money with my fan base and nah, brother, don't get it for me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm old school.

[Dre]

I'm sorry. I do know it changed. I respect that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Dre]

I respect what they do. That's why God created me in 1969.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I had to go through this. But here's the thing. I couldn't play the sport of football and worry about getting hurt. You understand? You in the box and you talking about, well, I might get hurt. You, you in the fight game.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you fight, I don't care how great you are, you going to get.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Hit, you going to get hit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Something's going to. And it's going to, it's going to impact you and these guys. Don't you talk. A legacy is not undefeated. A legacy is who did you fight to become what you became?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Dre]

Simple.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If, if we can break, we can break it down. But like Michael Irving said, Michael Iris said, guess what I went through, girl? Daryl Green, Rod Wilson, Charles Woodson. I went through Emil Williams and Deion Sanders to get my gold jacket. I went through gold jackets.

[Dre]

You heard me. In their prime.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You heard me. Now we got guys talking about, oh, oh my, I'm undefeated in their prime to get, to stay undefeated. I ain't talking about Floyd. Floyd, I can't agree with you on that.

[Dre]

But I'm just saying we ain't gonna.

[Andre Ward]

We ain't gonna do that today.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just, just saying we ain't going.

[Dana White]

To do that today.

[Dre]

I'm just saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, we. I Floyd, Floyd, Floyd.

[Dre]

Did Floyd talk about him right now? He fight m Tyson talk about him right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I fight right Tyson too. Well, we got to wrap it up. You got. We got. We got the big. We got one of the bosses coming in. Hey, Roy. Hey, appreciate you, man. Thank you, Drake.

[Andre Ward]

Brother.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Anytime, brother.

[Andre Ward]

Appreciate you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, go easy on it, man.

[Andre Ward]

Hey, man, deal with your guy, man. Duke people calling my name.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Round put his hands on him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Andre Ward]

You feel it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, brother.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

No. When you ready?

[Andre Ward]

We been ready. We've been ready since 1:30.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

But I had to do this from 12 to 2. I didn't even know it. Whenever you're ready.

[Andre Ward]

It's 2:30 right now, huh?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Okay, Right after I'm done.

[Dre]

I can come.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

It's your last one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah. Dana.

[Andre Ward]

Last.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Dana. I want to fucking fight.

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[Andre Ward]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

We got one of the promoters of the fight getting ready to join us right now. We got Daniel the big. The big CEO. He runs everything, all things ufc. He's the face of the ufc. He's getting ready to join us on stage. Dana White.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Hey, Chad. Who y' all want to see me fight in the ufc?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What do you think, Debo?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Chat. It's going down. Dana White and Turkey are gonna sponsor me and Debo. What's up, baby?

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

You good?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Hide everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Good to see you, babe. Appreciate you, Danny. You got it buzzing. You got the biggest fight in a very, very, very long time. I mean, that might be the biggest fight since Pacquiao Mayweather. You got Canelo, the undisputed super middleweight Champ, you got Bud Crawford, the first man to be in the 4Bet era, to be a two time undisputed champ, and they're fighting, somebody's gonna leave. Crawford say he leaving with like eight, nine belts. Canelo says, nah, I'm leaving with my legacy. C minute that I've taken on all comers that I didn't back down from anybody. How did this fight come. Come to. Come to be?

[Dana White]

Well, let's start with this. That's what makes this such a great fight for fight fans.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Dana White]

You know, what I always have said and feel is that to have a great fight, what's at stake. What's at stake. It's no different than the super bowl or any of these big sporting events. What's at stake? And when you have a guy like Crawford who could say, who could stay in his lane, go down as the greatest in his division, you know, fight fights that he's going to win because he's that talented, not because he's taken on easy opponents, but to move up two weight classes, to want to prove himself, and for Canelo to accept and get the fight. This is. This is what we all dream of as fight fans. So that's why I call this once in a lifetime fight, because literally nobody does this right? And how it came about was Shake Turkey, you know, from Saudi Arabia, put this fight together, then hit me up and said, I want you to be the promoter of this event. And you said, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because, Dana, look what you do in the ufc, and this is what we want in the ufc. You don't allow somebody to try to hand pick and cherry pick guys, right? You the best. You gonna fight the best. If you the number one contender and you got a belt, you fighting the number one contender, you're not fighting the number 10 contender. You're not gonna duck and die and, and try to build your bank account up fighting inferior guys. If you say you the best, fight.

[Dana White]

The best, well, what I hate is debate. I hate debate. You have everybody debating over who this guy, that guy. There's only one way to find out. It's like, like we can. We can argue, you can get all the experts, you can break down the stats, you can do all this, all the answers, you know, all the questions will be answered on Saturday in the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In the ring or the octagon. We can prove who's the best, and now we get an opportunity to see.

[Dana White]

Well, here's the thing about boxing, too, that drives me crazy. Like, everybody's undefeated right now in the ufc. If you're undefeated. Like Jon Jones. Say what you want about Jon Jones, he's been undefeated his entire career. He's fought everybody. And that means something. It means something when you're undefeated.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But even though, but in the ufc, Dana, even if a guy has one loss, you don't discard him. It seems like now if boxing, if you have one loss, you're not any good. Adesanya has a loss, PETA has a loss. Guys have losses. It's Sugar Ray had losses, Muhammad had losses.

[Dana White]

Every boxer, why did they have losses?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because they fought, fought the best.

[Dana White]

They fought the best, had to fought Hearns.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hearns fought Sugar Ray. Sugar Ray fought Duran. They fought Barkley.

[Dana White]

Absolutely right. The heavyweight Robin of the baddest dudes of all time. And it was, it was. It's why the sport was so big and why so many people loved it. And why these guys today are able to make money off it was because those guys fought everybody.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

But then the funny thing about it is times have changed. Yes, times have changed, especially in the sport of boxing. The fighters today don't want to take a loss because it messes up being the A side. It messes up being to command a certain amount for your purse. It messes up being able to pick and choose who you want to fight and when you want to fight them.

[Dana White]

Yep, I agree.

[Dre]

That's all it comes down to.

[Dana White]

What you've seen is, you know, people have been talking about the demise of boxing for over 30 years, but what you have seen is there's no television deal right now for boxing out there. You know, some streaming services that are picking up, you know, picking them here and there and all this stuff, it doesn't work. You can't build. Think, tell me, tell me. A business in the history of the world or a sport that has generated trillions of dollars in revenue, yet at the end of the day, there's nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To sell for it.

[Dana White]

And. And all these fights feel like a going out of business sale. You know what I mean, Dana?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, when you and I were growing up, great championship fights used to be on regular television. You could watch a fight on cbs. I remember with Gil Clancy and all those guys, you could like see great.

[Dana White]

ABC's Wide World of Sports. Then USA's Tuesday Night Fights is where they built all the stars. You're absolutely right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Ali could have never said he the greatest. If he deducted Foreman, if he deducted Frazier, if he deducted Ken Norton, even during Ernie Shaver. If he deducted Ron Loud. You can't say that, yeah. You can't say in an era where all those great fighters out and you don't fight none of them, that you the greatest. How you get to say that? Because no, Floyd is Floyd.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I think what has happened is that everybody sees Floyd and they see that perfect 50 and oh, they trying to say, well, if I'm 40 and 0, if I'm 45 and 0, I'll be the equivalent. No, you're not. Florida is a transcendent. He's a once in a lifetime fighter.

[Dana White]

I agree.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No matter what, stop trying to be him. There's only one Floyd Mayweather Jr. You should try to be the first version of you and then let us have that, whatever. But you gotta, you gotta fight.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

You got to.

[Dana White]

I agree. If you look at this undercard on Saturday night, all young, up and coming guys that are undefeated, all fighting each other. So this will be the first boxing match in a long time where, I'm telling you right now, you want to be there for the first fight of the night. Whether you're in the arena or watching it live on television, all of these fights on the, on the, on this card are going to be awesome.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is this, is boxing something that you want to get involved? I know, Turkey, you said Ali called you and said, I want you to promote it. Is this something that you're trying to dip your toe into? Is this something that you're going to.

[Dana White]

Get into in 26? I'm launching my thing in 26.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, so, so we know how you did the, I mean, you and the petitas, y' all purchased something in the early 2000 for 2 million and you turned it into a $5 billion business box office. Is that what your hope is for boxing? Are you trying to get boxing back to what it once was? And can it be that?

[Dana White]

Well, I don't even, I, I, I, I'm not coming in with an arrogance that, oh, I'm going to come in and fix boxing and I'm going to do everything different. My game plan is pretty clear and simple. The best up and coming guys are going to fight each other. And then once you get, so once you get, you know, you got all these sanctioning organizations that are ranking all these different guys when the best fight the best all the time. There's no question when you get up into the top five, who the best guys in the world are, it's the top five guys in the division.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is that what you think? You think they got too many? They got the wbo, they got the ibf, the wbc, the wba, they got Ring magazine. Do they have too many sanctioning bodies?

[Dana White]

The sanctioning organizations are what part of what killed boxing? There's no doubt about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Good.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

That's it. Listen, I have two fights coming up. I would like you to promote my fights. I want you and Turkey.

[Dana White]

Where are your fights?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He want. He won MMA against Debo. James Harris.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

James Harrison, ufc. You're going to promote it? You're going to put me on a card and then I want to do a boxing. When you get into boxing in 2026, I'mma beat the out of Andre Ward, so.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

No, I'm serious.

[Dana White]

Dana, I need you.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

I. I never Listen, why do you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Want to do this?

[Dana White]

You got an amazing career.

[Fernando Vargas Sr.]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dana White]

And now you got a successful podcast.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah. Very, very.

[Dana White]

Okay, so. So how old are you now?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

57.

[Dana White]

You're 57?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Dana White]

Look great. You don't look good. You look great.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

I've been fighting all my life.

[Dana White]

Well, 57 is too old to be fighting.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

No, it's not.

[Dana White]

It is not for me. 57 year olds fight to get out of bed and get on a treadmill every day.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Danny, you have to do me this one favor, please. I want to fight James Harrison in the octagon. Five rounds, five minutes.

[Dana White]

James Harrison, the NFL player?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Yeah, you talk too much trash.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

I need you to set that up. I need you to back me.

[Dana White]

Tell Turkey this dude's a monster.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

He's a what?

[Dana White]

He's a monster.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Did you see the story of David and Goliath?

[Dana White]

I have.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Okay, well, that's what exactly what it's going to look like.

[Dana White]

Is that a real story or is that a myth?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It might be a myth.

[Dana White]

I think that's a myth. How old, how old's he?

[Roy Jones Jr.]

How old is James, you think?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Should be probably about 10, 11 years young. Probably about 46. 40. 45. 40.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

I'm 47. I'm only 47.

[Dana White]

Oh, okay.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

I was going to say now you agreed to the fight.

[Dana White]

No, that's still too old. But it's better than 57.

[Andre Ward]

Just say yes, Please, just say yes.

[Dana White]

I can't say yes. We'll talk. I'll tell you this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We'll talk about it.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Oh, my God, Chad. I'm going to beat his ass.

[Dana White]

We'll talk about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see, is that what's happened to boxing? You see, a lot of guys boxing seem to be headed towards the exhibitions. You got Jake Paul going to fight Tank Davis. You got Tyson is going to fight Floyd, is that what we are with boxing?

[Dana White]

Well, you know, I think that those type of fights are always going to exist. People are always going to be interested in will Ocho Cinco fight Harrison, will, you know, YouTube guy fight this guy. And these type of fights, they're always going to exist. It's going to happen and it's always going to pique the interest of people that want to see what will happen. But it's just, it's just not what I'm into. I'm. I'm into who's the best in the world. Who, who, who, who's the best in every weight class. Who's the pound for pound best. That's my thing. And that's what I'll always do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Dana White]

Not saying I wouldn't do an Ocho Cinco versus Harrison, but.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It would money to be made.

[Dana White]

It would be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know.

[Dana White]

I don't. You know, I never say never, but it's not what I'm into.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you. The, the. There's a rumor floating around. I don't know if there's any truth that you. But I think in 26, a UFC event is going to be going to take place at the White House.

[Dana White]

That is absolutely true.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Are they going to allow fans. You're going to have fans.

[Dana White]

Like, there's going to be under. So under 5,000 people will be on the south lawn of the White House at the actual. And then right next to the White House is a massive park.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Dana White]

We'll have 85,000 people there watching on big screen screens and. Yeah, and we're gonna have a stage and, you know, do concerts and. And we're gonna basically take over Washington D.C. for a week.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. So you mentioned that. Okay, so the weigh ins, everything that would normally happen at say, the Allegiant or the T mobile is going to take place at the White House.

[Dana White]

Well, at certain monuments, you know, the Lincoln Monument, we might do the, the, the way ins, you know. Yeah. Going to take over the whole city and then the fight will happen on the south lawn of the White House.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, who I know Secret Service of. Dana, you could have said no. It made it real easy on us because you don't understand what the protections that we're going to have to go through to make sure this thing is locked down. This has got to be Fort Knox.

[Dana White]

So, you know, it's probably the most badass thing about. Obviously everything about it is the fighters will actually walk from the Oval Office into the, into the octagon.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

I gotta be A part of that.

[Dana White]

So badass.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

That's perfect.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was at the event that you had at the Sphere, and I don't know if you saw it, if you saw it on tv, it was great. But if you was there in person, it was on another level. And I remember having a conversation with you when we sat down with the interview, say, yeah, we're gonna do something at the Sphere. Once you did the Sphere, how soon did you start? Like, the White House would be badass.

[Dana White]

I would love to take credit for it. The President was the one that asked me, he said, I think we should. He has this whole, I don't know if you'll ever meet anybody that loves the White House more than President Trump does. Right. He's so proud of that place. And his philosophy is, this house belongs to the people, it belongs to all the Americans. And he wants to open up stuff like, you know, kids go on Easter, go, you know, egg hunting at the White and, and having big events that get Americans in to experience and enjoy the White House. That's his thing. So, you know, one of them is, we should do a fight. You know, he just said it off the cuff one day and I said, say when? And he said, when we put together all the renderings and all the, you know, how it would work. And we flew out and. And my team got to pitch him in the Oval Office and, and with all the renderings, and he was blown away by it. And it's happening. We're doing it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Have you. Just. Because, look, you probably won't get a better venue. In the history of ufc, have you thought about who's going to be on that card?

[Dana White]

So, so we won't, we won't start really looking at who's on the card till, like, February.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Dana White]

So in February, we will start making the card.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But hey, you know, I was having a conversation with D.C. and I don't know if you saw it. He says, he said, shannon, I know what Dana said, but if you want some Americans, unless, Unless he wants for Europeans to take off over the White House and win every match, he better put Jon Jones on that car.

[Dana White]

You're like, yeah, no, well, that's, that's, that's pretty big of Cormier. I'm proud of him, man. I'm proud of him. Burying the hatchet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said, we can't. We gotta get one win. He said, cuz I don't know if any, any Americans that can get a win at the White House other than Jon Jones. I said, what about Jon Jones? And Aspinall, I said, would you, you think Dana would consider that he like. Hell yeah. He's like, well, one of the things.

[Dana White]

With me is unlike tennis and basketball and all these other things, that my sport is a global sport and there's guys from all over the world that are talented. I, I don't ever.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We can't lose at the White House. I know it's a global sport, but that's an American solid. That's.

[Dana White]

Listen, in fighting, man, you can't, you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Know, you can't determine. That's why they're fighting.

[Dana White]

Yeah, that's exactly right. So whoever we bring in on that card, I'm not looking for America versus, you know, every American to win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Dana White]

Whoever wins, wins.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

I like it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You just did this new deal, I mean a monumental deal. I mean you, you were, you were, I mean in the beginning you paid to be on Spike tv, right? And then you get this deal with Fox, then you go to ESPN and now you with CBS and Paramount and billions of dollars. Dana, when you, when, when you and the Fertitta sat down, it's like I think this, this business that, that we can buy for little or nothing. Did you ever envision it would be this.

[Dana White]

Well, if you watch interviews with me early on, I said this will be the biggest sport in the world. And, and, and I always knew that this would work. And I have this, I have this philosophy that I don't care what color you are, what country you come from, what language you speak. We're all human beings and fighting's in our DNA, man. We get it, we like it. I got football players that want to fight. We got, I mean, it's crazy, but yes, I believe, but you don't, you, you don't imagine a level where we're talking about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Dana White]

Fighting at the White House and a lot of the other things that, that we've done and accomplished. But, but yeah, I always thought this would be big.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean you go from paying 10 million to get on TV to somebody paying you billions of billions. But now you said if I'm, if I, if I read this correctly, there's no more pay per view. Correct?

[Dana White]

Right. Well, we had guys early on, first of all, we were the red headed stepchild of the Fertitta portfolio back in the day. Let me tell you what. And they had all these smart guys that work for them that, that hated this thing and said it's never going to work. And then, you know, the big thing was you guys, if you pay your way onto TV how do you think there's ever going to be a day where somebody's going to come to you and say, okay, we'll pay you now. But me and the Fertittas truly believe that once we introduce this to the mainstream that they would love it as much as we did and saw what we saw in it. And, and that did happen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you had to do a lot, Dana. You had to get weight classes because in original stages there was no weight classes and guys fault. I was at the first one in Denver, Colorado in 1993 and guys fought. So you would fight, you win, you move on. You fight again, win, you move on.

[Dana White]

Well, we had to get rid of the tournament style because it's not true that the best actually win because too many people get hurt during the night. And now the level of fighters, I mean these guys get banged up, they're not ready again for, you know, they're not even moving again for two and a half weeks after some of these fights. But one of the things that I really had to do early on I was just, I flew to LA yesterday and was doing some PR out there and I did some radio. So in the beginning I flew all around the country and I was speaking with, you know, remember this? When we bought this thing, newspapers were still around, right? Newspapers was how everybody got their news. So I had to fly around and meet with these 65 year old editors explaining them the UFC and why it was going to be. And all these guys cared about was ball and stick sports. So not only did we buy our way onto television, nobody would cover us, so we bought our way onto radio. Right? Now radio was massive then and you had to be good radio. Well, we'd have these fighters waking up at six in the morning or three, four in the morning, getting dropped into the east coast, right? And these guys be like, hello. You know, they were terrible radios. So none of the radio wanted to talk to any of the fighters. So every pay per view we would switch. I would get up at 3:30 in the morning and do a whole radio satellite tour. Then the next one, Joe Rogan would get up at 3:30 in the morning and do a full. You know, because we both love the sport, we were both passionate about it and we both could talk about it. And that was how we really got started too. I mean there's so many different pieces to this puzzle on getting this business to where we are today. And radio was just as big as buying away onto Spike tv.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you had to also get Congress approval because a lot of states you couldn't, you couldn't, you couldn't participate in. And so you had to go before congress and you had to get legislation. And now if I'm not mistaken, you think you're sanctioned and all the, in.

[Dana White]

A couple of the states it was actually illegal. So not only do we have to get regulated and, and be a part of their state athletic commission, we had to undo like some laws. Like it was illegal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Dana White]

So, yeah, it's been a lot of work. It's fun to say, oh, they bought it for 2 million and now it's worth, you know, they just did a 7 billion dollar or 8 billion dollar deal. There's been a lot of work to get to where we are today.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Of all the things that you've done, is that. And all the things that. Because you, and I don't think you, I don't think, think you're done. I don't think I, I don't know what you would actually do.

[Dana White]

Wait until you see what we do in the next three years. Just every time people think that, you know, oh, for instance, when we sold for 4.025 billion. Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Dana White]

Everybody said, you know, they over this thing, said beyond the peak, blah, blah, just. I love the negativity and I love that talk. And if you look at where we are now and what we've accomplished, wait till you see what we do in the next couple years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow. I can't, I, I can't wait. I, I don't. How much longer is Dana White gonna be, gonna be captain in this ship? I can't imagine you doing anything else. You. So, I mean, you pop out of bed, cuz this is not work for you. You look forward to waking up in the morning. Lord, please, please let me put my feet on the floor and let me go do my job in the morning. How much longer does Dana White want?

[Dana White]

So it's funny, when, how old are you?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm 57. Yeah.

[Dana White]

All right, so when guys, it might be the same for him, but when guys like you and I were growing up, right. You always had the older generation talking about I'm gonna retire and I'm gonna be drinking, you know, pina coladas on the beach and all this. Right. Go away for 10 days. How many pina coladas can you drink? And I'll be on these great vacations that are unbelievable.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. We saw you in that meeting.

[Dana White]

After day seven, I'm like, if I have to put suntan lotion on my body one more time, and if I drink One more of these drinks and if I eat another crappy meal, I can't wait to get back to work. Right. It was all an illusion for those poor guys.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And to have to do. You do talk about 10 days. You think I'm gonna do this for the next 30 years?

[Dana White]

No way in hell. So I, I listen. Whoever is going to take this over after me, I'm gonna have to die for them to come in. And that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what I had, I had a teacher that did that. He was a. A teacher for like 40 years. He retired a week later. Yep.

[Dana White]

I hear those stories all the time, too. And I get it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. What's next? What are you gonna do?

[Dana White]

Nothing. Especially when you do things at the level that we've done them. Right. Think about what you've done and what it must have been like for you guys to run out of that tunnel on game day and go out and just destroy the team and win and. And all the stuff that goes along with it.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Yeah.

[Dana White]

Who the hell wants to walk away from that? Nobody. Nobody does. That's the answer to that question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you definitely have the best job at the house, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us, Dana.

[Dana White]

Thanks for having me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Congratulations, man. Hey, hopefully this thing is as big Saturday night as the build up to it. And if we get anything close to what we think it's going to be, it's going to be an unbelievable.

[Dana White]

Here's what I can promise you. And I say this all the time. I'm the bells and whistles guy. I will put on the greatest bells and whistles you've ever seen Saturday night, whether you're there live or watching on tv. And then I hand the baton off to the fighters and they got to go in and deliver.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They do their thing. Dana, thanks for joining us.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

All right.

[Dana White]

Thanks for having me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, guys, thank you for joining us. We really appreciate it. We want to thank all the guests that stopped by. Andre ward, Roy Jones Jr, Dana White, Fernando Vargas Jr and senior stop by Antonio Tarver, Caleb Plant and Jim Gray. Thank you guys for joining us. Thank you guys for watching. Thank you for your support. Call me tonight after the game. Watch me to Green Bay. We're back in five hours. Peace.

[Roy Jones Jr.]

Call me.

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