Club 520 - Shelvin Mack on playing with Jeff Teague on Hawks, facing LeBron’s Cavs, Kobe scoring 60

Summary

Club Shay Shay - Episode Summary: Club 520 - Shelvin Mack on Playing with Jeff Teague on Hawks, Facing LeBron’s Cavs, Kobe Scoring 60

Release Date: November 28, 2024

Introduction

In this engaging episode of Club Shay Shay, hosts DJ Wells and Bishop B welcome special guest Young Teague alongside Justin Jefferson to delve into the illustrious basketball career of Shelvin Mack. The conversation navigates through Shelvin's high school prowess, collegiate achievements at Butler, his transition to the NBA, and memorable encounters with basketball legends such as Jeff Teague and LeBron James.

1. Early Beginnings and Friendship Formation [02:40 - 05:09]

The episode opens with DJ Wells introducing the guest, Young Teague, highlighting his deep-rooted friendship with Shelvin Mack. Young Teague reminisces about their early days, sharing how they met in 2008 when Shelvin was still in college at Butler.

Young Teague [05:09]: "I met him. He had on a black shirt, some football jeans... I had him in the trenches getting his hair cut."

The trio reflects on Shelvin's humble beginnings, participating in dice games and spending time at the trap, which solidified their bond long before Shelvin's NBA journey.

2. Butler Basketball Glory [08:07 - 15:32]

The conversation shifts to Shelvin Mack's college career at Butler, where he was instrumental in leading the team to two consecutive national championship games—one of the most remarkable runs in college basketball history.

Justin Jefferson [13:52]: "To me, I would say the second one. No, the first one... real aggressive. It was one of the best runs in college basketball history."

They discuss pivotal moments, including a controversial foul against Pittsburgh and the intense championship game against Jeremy Lamb's team.

Justin Jefferson [14:49]: "It was a long, ugly game. But it was one of the best runs you will ever see in basketball."

The hosts commend Butler's strategy and the team's resilience, acknowledging the tough competition they faced.

3. Transition to the NBA and Team Dynamics [25:25 - 35:34]

Shelvin's NBA journey is explored, detailing his initial struggles with the Washington Wizards during a lockout-shortened season and his eventual move to the Atlanta Hawks. The hosts discuss how Shelvin adapted to different teams and the camaraderie he developed with teammates like Jeff Teague.

Justin Jefferson [27:34]: "It was more than a rebuild mode. My first year of lockout. Year started off 0-18... had to figure it out on the fly."

The bond between Shelvin and Jeff Teague is highlighted, showcasing their mutual support and on-court chemistry.

Young Teague [30:15]: "We just bonded over some things. It was cool."

4. Memorable Games and Rivalries [32:44 - 45:17]

Anecdotes about facing LeBron James' Cavaliers and Kobe Bryant's legendary 60-point game are recounted with vivid detail. The hosts describe the intense atmosphere of Kobe's final game and Shelvin's reflections on guarding such a formidable opponent.

Justin Jefferson [44:51]: "The atmosphere was crazy. Kobe was shooting 50 times. It was different."

They emphasize the significance of these matchups and how they shaped Shelvin's competitive spirit.

5. Off-Court Experiences and Friendships [36:17 - 47:18]

Beyond the court, the episode delves into Shelvin's off-court life, including his friendships, social activities, and personal interests. The hosts share humorous stories about team dinners, partying, and mutual interests like wrestling and video games.

Young Teague [62:08]: "We cheat, cheat, cheat... trying to be smart."

These interactions paint a picture of a tight-knit team that balanced intense competition with genuine camaraderie.

6. Impact of NIL and Modern College Basketball [53:02 - 58:55]

Justin Jefferson provides insightful commentary on the evolving landscape of college basketball, particularly the Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) policies. He discusses how NIL has transformed recruiting and player behavior, expressing concerns about maintaining team loyalty and character amidst newfound financial incentives.

Justin Jefferson [56:19]: "It's hard to keep up with it though with the transfer portal. People just being able to just go. ... I don't see how long, how much longer this NIL stuff can work."

The conversation underscores the challenges athletes face in navigating their careers while upholding personal and team integrity.

7. Butler's Move to the Big East Conference [55:07 - 57:50]

The hosts debate Butler University's strategic move to the Big East Conference, evaluating its implications on the program's competitiveness and exposure. They compare the Big East to other major conferences, highlighting Butler's consistent performance and the increased level of competition.

Justin Jefferson [56:57]: "I think it's one of the best conferences. Better than the ACC. You ask me."

This segment reflects on Butler's legacy and future prospects within a more competitive athletic framework.

8. Current Endeavors and Future Plans [52:16 - 65:53]

Justin Jefferson shares his post-NBA transition, detailing his role as a CBS Sports analyst and his involvement in scouting and talent evaluation. He emphasizes the importance of staying connected to the game and mentoring young athletes.

Justin Jefferson [52:16]: "Right now, do college basketball. CBS Sports analyst. Working in the front office with an NBA team, doing some pro scout and trying to find some talent."

The hosts encourage Shelvin to continue his engagement with basketball, potentially as a college basketball host for their morning show.

Bishop B [65:02]: "He's gonna be our college basketball host for the morning show."

Conclusion

The episode wraps up with reflections on Shelvin Mack's enduring legacy, the importance of strong interpersonal relationships in sports, and the evolving dynamics of basketball both on and off the court. The hosts express their admiration for Shelvin's resilience and adaptability, celebrating his contributions to the teams he's been part of.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Young Teague [05:09]: "I met him. He had on a black shirt, some football jeans... I had him in the trenches getting his hair cut."

• Justin Jefferson [13:52]: "To me, I would say the second one. No, the first one... real aggressive. It was one of the best runs in college basketball history."

• Young Teague [30:15]: "We just bonded over some things. It was cool."

• Justin Jefferson [44:51]: "The atmosphere was crazy. Kobe was shooting 50 times. It was different."

• Justin Jefferson [56:19]: "It's hard to keep up with it though with the transfer portal. People just being able to just go. ... I don't see how long, how much longer this NIL stuff can work."

• Justin Jefferson [52:16]: "Right now, do college basketball. CBS Sports analyst. Working in the front office with an NBA team, doing some pro scout and trying to find some talent."

This episode of Club Shay Shay offers a comprehensive look into Shelvin Mack's basketball journey, enriched by firsthand accounts and heartfelt discussions, making it a must-listen for basketball enthusiasts and fans alike.

Transcript

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[DJ Wells]

The volume.

[Bishop B]

All right, we back another episode of Club 520 podcast. I'm the host. My name is DJ Wells special guest in the building. Return the guest. If you know, you know, you know what I'm saying. Back then, our OG5, 20 days, we're gonna introduce my man's last to my far left, my dog, Bishop B. Hand out the prelice. How you what? Nasty.

[DJ Wells]

Cool and nasty. Let's get to it, baby.

[Bishop B]

Hey, T. It's crazy, you know what I'm saying? We started this podcast. My boy was in the black forces, white laces. Now I'm saying, now he just taking fines every week. And he done showed up today in.

[Young Teague]

All whites, man, he don't care, man.

[Bishop B]

He don't care no more. Check that cash, man.

[Young Teague]

He don't care no more.

[DJ Wells]

Fuck that chick, man. Introduce that nigga so we can go doordash.

[Young Teague]

Doordash chick came in. That's how he acting. That's crazy.

[Bishop B]

Finally.

[DJ Wells]

That's a quick return.

[Bishop B]

It wasn't that quick. To my right, my dog, young Nacho, Young Teague.

[Young Teague]

How you. What, man, I'm chilling, bro. You know what I mean? We got a homie in the building. One of my closest teammates, one of my favorite teammates. But I gotta say something before we start. Oh, Buddy had y'all messed up in Lexington. Oh, yeah, I seen little homie.

[Justin Jefferson]

It was on Don Mitchell's coach, high.

[Young Teague]

School coach, whoever he is. Don't ever disrespect.

[Justin Jefferson]

I don't think he watched a lot of basketball. Then. Jasper Johnson, that's the young kid. He's top. Top 10 in the country.

[Young Teague]

Yeah, and he tried to disrespect Lexington like that and saying, who shoving Mac? Y find out. What are you talking about? But he was by the dodo, for real. I ain't going to hold you all. He was.

[Bishop B]

That's crazy.

[Young Teague]

They was about it, though.

[Bishop B]

I don't know who flexing harder day he ain't with the off whites or you with the. With the T. Scotts.

[Young Teague]

He's like paper, though. I hooping these, man.

[DJ Wells]

That's who we got die for.

[Bishop B]

We are not seeing you in the victory next week.

[Young Teague]

Oh, my mama, not next week.

[Justin Jefferson]

Next week, Cincinnati.

[Young Teague]

All right, man.

[Bishop B]

But to my left, like I said, return against family of the show. One of the coldest college basketball players of all time. My man from the Lex going crazy shelving. Mac, Big dog. Appreciate you sliding on us again, homie.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yes, sir, man. Appreciate you having me. I love your podcast. What y'all doing? Listen to all the stories. Know all of them true. A lot of people think they not true. Most of them are true. And I Lived it, been around and seen it all.

[Bishop B]

So you've been a part of them stories, you know what I'm saying? I ain't made it, but that's why we got this episode. The crazy part is, man, the six degrees of separation with you in this episode and the whole gang is funny. Like, y'all gotta talk here about how you first met Shel, man, because there's a reason why. Because that's how he met Teague and vice versa.

[DJ Wells]

Well, yeah, this one right here, I met him. He had on a black shirt, some football jeans.

[Justin Jefferson]

I was from Lexman. It sound about Right Foot.

[DJ Wells]

Albert Fed Apple jeans. Mind y'all, this is 2008. This is 2008. You know my dude Barry. Shout out to my dog Barry. He was cutting bro hair. And then, you know, Shell just wanted to link up with the black people, so I didn't know he was going to the NBA. I had him in the trenches getting his hair cut. Yeah, he was at the dice games, at the trap.

[Justin Jefferson]

I got put in office plenty of times. Everyone thinking. Thinking something different of Behan on Butler's campus all the time.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, shout out to Brad Stevens, man, I love you. They thought I was trapping. I had the 26es on the 300.

[Young Teague]

The funny part about how you look like Ice cube, bro, on JD Promoters.

[Bishop B]

Damn. You had to blow the 300.

[DJ Wells]

My shit was way better than Cube. No janky. But, yeah, I had, you know, I took care of my dog wives here. I wouldn't have had him in them type of situations if I knew he was going to the league, like. But he was always good with me. And he a Tremors legend.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, he had me in. Tremors was Keyshawn. What's it, dude who that we went to go see you was over getting to it.

[DJ Wells]

Nah, I took you to Waka Flocka.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bishop B]

And Tremors, you did not want my boy to go to the draft.

[Young Teague]

He was trying to get you.

[Bishop B]

He put you in the dangerous.

[DJ Wells]

Nashell was in the trenches of Indianapolis, but Butler is right in my ghetto. So, you know, it was right there, 38th Street.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, man, that was so funny about it. Cause when we was at Butler, like, it was, like, funny to see people come to the school and, you know, the Panthers at Butler don't tell you anything south of 42nd Street. They just show you that Butler bubble, which is a for real bubble out the way. If you didn't know, you wouldn't know. But when my roommate taught me, he walked to that gas station on 38th of Illinois with the McDonald's.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yes.

[Colin Cowherd]

Truly.

[Young Teague]

Yeah, he was trying to get it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Truly.

[Young Teague]

He was trying to get put to sleep.

[Bishop B]

He was trying to make that his last RO.

[Young Teague]

That was going to be his last McChicken. I don't know what he was on.

[Bishop B]

Ultra Frame, but it's so funny. Like, you said that, but Bubble, you safe over there, but outside of that, it gets spooky. So y'all linking up over there was funny. And I was on campus at the time, and I remember him pulling up. Butler Petey knew this nigga by heart. But with the cars, man, that was crazy as hell. They really thought you was trapping out there.

[DJ Wells]

And bu. People telling on me. He said I was giving them liquor.

[Justin Jefferson]

And all kind of stuff.

[DJ Wells]

Like it was crazy. I wasn't even 21 yet, for real. But I was just over there partying, you know, make sure my guy was straight. Shout out to my dog. Emerson Grant just saw Ron Ryan coaching for Atlanta. Shout out to Ron.

[Bishop B]

Shout out to Coach norad.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah. Shout out to Gordon and my guys. My boy Avery Jukes, too. That's my dog, too. Me, Avery Jukes. Used to. Well, I can't speak too much on that, but my dog, my dogs.

[Young Teague]

I know what was going on.

[Bishop B]

No, Madden, we used to have them going on Marina.

[DJ Wells]

Shout out to my dog. Jukester.

[Young Teague]

Jukester.

[Bishop B]

Man, before we talk about the college days, man, we gotta talk about high school. You know what I'm saying? You from Lexington, went crazy in high school all the time. We scored your high school. He the high school coach. How would you feel having to play on your team that scored the most buckets in program history?

[Young Teague]

He a gun. I play with shit. I know he a gun.

[Justin Jefferson]

Hey, nah, man. I'm playing with you. You know, I only had eight minutes to get accurate. See Jeff walking down the sideline. Gotta put this thing up. I'm covering out the game, but no, just being very aggressive. Just going out there trying to score. I know. Something I just had to do to get to the next level. But then playing in the NBA, like with Jeff, other good point guards, being a backup for the majority of the time, you gotta. You gotta get it in where you can. And you know, I love Jeff, you know, being the starting point guard, One of my good friends, he tell me every time, shoot that thing.

[Young Teague]

Facts.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, so facts.

[Bishop B]

But we gotta talk about that. We gonna go back to the college days, of course. Cause you one of the coldest college players of all time. But how did y'all meet Me and.

[Young Teague]

Shel yeah, it's cause of Behan. So Behan used to come to Atlanta when I played for the Hawks. Shell was still in college. And Behead coming like, my n shell will kill you.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, God.

[Young Teague]

Like, who is Shel? He like Sheva Mack played for Butler.

[DJ Wells]

He was acting like that Coach.

[Young Teague]

He was like, no, he been college.

[Justin Jefferson]

I was like, talking about Coach Graves.

[DJ Wells]

You saw that, too.

[Justin Jefferson]

I've been going viral the past few weeks.

[DJ Wells]

It was like, that's what he had bust your ass.

[Young Teague]

Yeah, but you was trying to tell me that, like, Butler was good and all this shit. And I'm like, quarterback champion.

[Justin Jefferson]

It's better than Wake Forest by a long shot.

[Young Teague]

I just had played in the Horizon.

[DJ Wells]

They lost to Cleveland. Y'all lost to a Horizon League team. Cleveland.

[Bishop B]

Stay serious.

[Young Teague]

That was our problem.

[DJ Wells]

Finish your.

[Justin Jefferson]

Win.

[Young Teague]

Take him serious.

[DJ Wells]

Finish your story.

[Young Teague]

We was like, shout out to Norris. I with him, but so he talking crazy. We about to. Shell's getting drafted. We having a pickup game. It was a lockout year.

[Bishop B]

Pro Am, baby.

[Young Teague]

So I see Shelby Mac name on the list of opposite team about to play. I marked that. Yeah, he's getting killed today. We in Indianapolis. He don't even know.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, he don't.

[Young Teague]

He don't know nothing. But he's marked. As soon as he get on the court, I go at him full speed, dunking.

[Justin Jefferson]

I'm dunking crazy dead.

[Young Teague]

And I'm pointing at behalf, like, every time like this.

[Justin Jefferson]

Shel don't know what he told.

[Young Teague]

What's going on. I'm not talking to him. I'm not trying to be his friend.

[DJ Wells]

Shel think he in the charity game.

[Justin Jefferson]

I'm not. Yeah. I'm not a Pro Am player. That's you all day right there. But some context for this story.

[Bishop B]

This Pro Am was like one of the bigger matchups. Indianapolis was What? Goodman, the D.C. pro Am. So you had John Wall, DeMarcus cousins. They all came to town. It was an all Indiana team put together. So it was a really big deal. If you ever see the highlights, it's crazy as fuck. I'm sure they clip it up. But for being here to line you up like that and that serious of a game is crazy.

[Justin Jefferson]

It's very. It was a lockout. I ain't never played in the NBA. I don't know what's going on. I hop on the court, I shoot my ticket shot like, boo.

[Young Teague]

No.

[Justin Jefferson]

Everybody was hating on Butler at that time. But you cooked me that time.

[Young Teague]

I was just. It wasn't even you, bro. I Was playing B him, bro.

[Justin Jefferson]

I got you back, though. Before.

[Young Teague]

When? Cause when you got in the league.

[DJ Wells]

I chased you down.

[Justin Jefferson]

You got that block. You got that I look like Brian. It led on to the team.

[Young Teague]

He never stopped until he got on the team.

[Justin Jefferson]

When I got traded to Utah, I gave y'all that work.

[Bishop B]

Ooh, ooh.

[Justin Jefferson]

In Utah. Okay.

[Young Teague]

Are you sure? We talking about where you stumbled?

[DJ Wells]

We can pull up that.

[Justin Jefferson]

We can pull up the clips.

[Young Teague]

He talking about you stumbling, Luis. 3.

[Justin Jefferson]

I don't remember that. We gotta pull that out.

[Young Teague]

I don't remember that.

[DJ Wells]

No. We got somebody that can pull that out.

[Justin Jefferson]

Y'all gonna pull.

[Young Teague]

Hit the three in the corner. It's crazy.

[Justin Jefferson]

I don't remember that.

[Young Teague]

Okay.

[Justin Jefferson]

What?

[DJ Wells]

You had that game shield.

[Justin Jefferson]

I know. I guess when I first got traded from Atlanta, I was just going hard. Same thing. I'm not sure what I had, but I know I played well when I was playing against my former team.

[Young Teague]

I just remember when you was starting.

[Justin Jefferson]

I knew they was going to be.

[Young Teague]

In drop when you were starting. And I came back, maybe be the next year. Cause after I killed you, I went to your house and beat you in mad.

[Justin Jefferson]

Damn.

[Bishop B]

Damn.

[Justin Jefferson]

This boy telling all kinds of stuff. He get on the mic and start talking crazy.

[Young Teague]

That is crazy.

[Bishop B]

You gotta watch behavior.

[Young Teague]

You gotta watch behavior. Nah, my dog. The first time we played y'all, you did hoop, though. I remember I was hyped. I was like, damn, shell hooping.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Young Teague]

The second time we played you in Utah, because Bud was mad. He was like, you're gonna go home. You know how he is.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Young Teague]

Are you gonna play for real tonight? Because your friends on the team. Oh, here we go.

[Bishop B]

Bud.

[Young Teague]

He did that to my little brother, too.

[DJ Wells]

All that to say I'm the reason why they friends today.

[Young Teague]

He the reason me and Cheryl started.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Young Teague]

Hanging out.

[Justin Jefferson]

I brought him.

[DJ Wells]

Man.

[Justin Jefferson]

Had a lot of great time.

[Young Teague]

A lot of Sprites. Dirty, dirty. Sprite. Not. No, not. No. It was just Tequila and Sprite. We used to talk over the game and stuff.

[Bishop B]

For sure, man. Boo.

[Justin Jefferson]

Team Dennis was lit.

[Young Teague]

Lit. Team Dennis was lit for sure.

[Bishop B]

Yeah. The hell of a team. But before we get to the NBA draft process, we got to talk about what you did in college, bro. Like I said, one of the most underrated college players of all time. I was on campus when y'all went to two back to back national championship games. And you was a very big part of that, bro. That's one of the best runs in college basketball history, for sure. Which run? Was crazier. The first one or the second one?

[Justin Jefferson]

To me, I would say the second one. No, the first one. We was actually like really, really good with Gordon on the team. I think we won like 20 games in a row. The second one snuck in, like AC Just thugged it out. Know how to win close to Matt Howard. And we won every game. The second one by like last second play. Remember the foul I had against Pittsburgh at half court? It was like one of the worst fouls in NCAA history.

[Young Teague]

Facts, facts, facts.

[Justin Jefferson]

I tell you, that bull boy, if.

[Bishop B]

It was DraftKings back then, boy, you.

[DJ Wells]

Was selling, he was cut off after that one.

[Justin Jefferson]

That was rough, fouling him. So we won that game. Cause Matt Howard got fouled then. Also bcu, not vc O. The million played against Baze. We beat them on the last second shot.

[Bishop B]

Shout out to Kent.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yup. We just kept winning at the end. Just squeaking by. And then we got to the championship. It was kind of. Kind of ugly, as you know.

[DJ Wells]

Y'all was tired, bro.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Young Teague]

I mean, y'all went up against a really good team, though. It was a bad game, though. I went to that game.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, it was horrible.

[Young Teague]

It was a long, ugly game. But.

[Bishop B]

And to be fair, like, y'all ran into one of the best runs in basketball history. Kimber Walker's run through the Big east to the National. That was one of the best runs you will ever see in basketball.

[Justin Jefferson]

Six games in six days in the Big East. And then this willingness team in a tournament. It was special.

[Young Teague]

Nah, it was definitely special.

[DJ Wells]

What was Old boy named White Skin. No, no, no. The other one.

[Justin Jefferson]

Jeremy Lamb.

[DJ Wells]

Jeremy Lamb.

[Bishop B]

Jeremy Lamb.

[Justin Jefferson]

Raw. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

He was special for sure. That's the reason why y'all lost. He was cold.

[Young Teague]

Sheryl run. That Butler, though, was really unbelievable, though. Craig, bring that little school from Indianapolis to Adam Nation. Wow.

[Justin Jefferson]

But the most fun was like playing her at Lucas Oil for the championship. Now that was crazy.

[Bishop B]

I was there. That Duke game was one of the craziest games ever. I sat next to all Duke fans and they didn't say a fucking word until that shot missed. Off the bank. Off the rim, bro. That was a really good game. And I still hate Kyle Singler to this day because of that game. Kyle Singer has never played. I mean, Kyle Singer was cold. Don't get it fucked up. Obviously made it to the league, but that was the best game I ever seen him play in his life. He hit every elbow jump shot that game, bro.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, they had a great game plan. I don't Know if you like, you ain't game planning like that. But they the only team that forced Gordon to go right. And he took that. He had to go right for that last shot and missed it. No, they just did a good job. But it was a hell of a run. Hell of a game. One thing I do remember, Coach Stevens had us going to class on championship Monday at 10am wow.

[Young Teague]

He out of pocket.

[Bishop B]

Out of pocket, Coach.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, talk to him, man.

[Bishop B]

Out of pocket.

[Young Teague]

That's why y'all lost. You might go to class. Wake Forest would never.

[Bishop B]

We didn't go to class on Monday anyway.

[Young Teague]

We just had Mondays.

[Justin Jefferson]

Chef said, Monday, you ain't going for the show. Huh?

[Young Teague]

What?

[Bishop B]

That went to class. That. That's crazy.

[Justin Jefferson]

He went to class. Everyone did. We had a shuttle going back and.

[Bishop B]

Forth, and y'all was downtown at a hotel. Y'all wasn't even on campus. I remember that.

[Young Teague]

That's crazy. I would definitely not want to class. What?

[DJ Wells]

I'm sure Brad learned from that.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Learned from that.

[Young Teague]

Did y'all do anything the next year?

[Justin Jefferson]

We was in what's name? We was in Houston.

[Young Teague]

I mean, did y'all have, like, study hall and stuff?

[Justin Jefferson]

Nah. At Butler, I was hoping.

[Young Teague]

I ain't taking.

[Justin Jefferson]

I never had study hall. No, we recruited the right people. You don't have to do all that stuff. Take care of your business, bro.

[Young Teague]

Y'all didn't have study hard.

[Justin Jefferson]

Butler, Nah.

[Young Teague]

Oh, yeah. You didn't go to school for real?

[Justin Jefferson]

N. We did our work, man.

[DJ Wells]

No, he saying they didn't have to have study hall. Why you gotta study hall?

[Young Teague]

Because I had 3.2 in college. I still have study hall. You had to get enough hours.

[Bishop B]

That's crazy.

[Young Teague]

To have, like, eight hours a week, like, mandatory. You don't care if you have straight days or not.

[Justin Jefferson]

I ain't know that. You finish your degree, boy.

[Young Teague]

Now. I went to the NBA.

[DJ Wells]

Now you in my business.

[Justin Jefferson]

I just finished mine up. That's why I was asking. It took me 10 years to do it, but I got it done.

[Young Teague]

See, brother let y'all go back for free.

[Justin Jefferson]

Mvpa.

[Young Teague]

Oh, yeah. I should have did that route, too. Cause Butler charged y'all, huh?

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah.

[Young Teague]

That's who I.

[Justin Jefferson]

Crazy, right?

[Young Teague]

What? That's what Wake Forest.

[Bishop B]

Do Butler owe you reparations, bro.

[Justin Jefferson]

Hey, I mean, wait.

[DJ Wells]

Don't owe him nothing but a lot of chicken.

[Bishop B]

They owe you reparations? Cause I was for real. I was a student there. And I remember tuition going up ten grand each year that we went to a national championship yeah, that's about right.

[Young Teague]

I should have did the NBA. I can still do that route, but the way this podcast set up in school, I don't really know, man. It add up. Really. I don't know.

[DJ Wells]

Hey brother, out of pocket, bro. Y'all brought a lot to that program, bro. All of y'all.

[Young Teague]

Nah, for real though.

[Bishop B]

That's what I mean.

[Young Teague]

Going that honorary degrees but Grant the.

[Justin Jefferson]

New AD Grant line Decker came in, helped me out.

[Young Teague]

Okay, that's my dog.

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[Bishop B]

Tap in the right way.

[Young Teague]

That is crazy, though. They make you go pay to go back to school. Not first summer. They told me to pay away. For us, it was 17,000. I said, yeah, I was just not going back to school. I tried to transfer to iupui.

[Justin Jefferson]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Young Teague]

I swear to God. I tried to transfer to ipu.

[Bishop B]

They probably treated him like Everest College, bro.

[Young Teague]

That was like, some of my credits wouldn't transfer there. They was like, you gonna be a freshman? I'm like, damn, what classes was I taking? What classes was I taking?

[Bishop B]

That's crazy. But obviously, man, your college career was insane.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Declared for the draft. How was that process? I know you probably had to do a lot of workouts. How was that?

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, mine was completely different than Jeff. Jeff going lottery.

[Young Teague]

I didn't go lottery.

[Justin Jefferson]

I had to work out damn near. It was better than me. I had to work out for like 20 teams and my class was like, loaded. I would say hella dragon.

[Young Teague]

Who was your class?

[Justin Jefferson]

Kyrie, Clay, Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, Norris.

[Young Teague]

Yeah.

[Justin Jefferson]

Kimba Kimber, Cardiac. Yeah. It was the Morris twins. It was. It was. It was stacked.

[Bishop B]

That was legit draft.

[Justin Jefferson]

Isaiah Thomas, he was the last. So, like, we all just had to Bella out throughout the no. On the combine. Especially coming from Butler. No, we went to national championship, but we didn't play a lot of possessions. We played a certain style so people couldn't really see how it was. And no, everybody was. Thought it was fat, too. Had to go in and show my body, y'all.

[Bishop B]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Justin Jefferson]

Pause that.

[Young Teague]

Sound like a slave.

[Bishop B]

That's a Diddy workout.

[Justin Jefferson]

Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

[Young Teague]

It sounds like a slave trade, bro.

[DJ Wells]

Come on, bro.

[Justin Jefferson]

You know, we had the baggy clothes and all that.

[Young Teague]

For sure, for sure, for sure.

[Justin Jefferson]

I mean, we wasn't Nike Elite. How Wake Forest was. That stuff was a little baggy.

[Young Teague]

So, yeah, I was better Nike school than us. Sure. I mean, we was a test Nike school. So I apologize.

[Justin Jefferson]

Y'all remember I got the umbrella jerseys, the ring. My neck beat down here like this. Yeah, it was nasty.

[Bishop B]

That's crazy.

[Young Teague]

Y'all didn't Mike Greenwood them jersey. That's his name, right?

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Young Teague]

Y'all had the same jersey. I remember. Yeah, I remember. Yeah.

[Justin Jefferson]

So.

[Bishop B]

But you get drafted by D.C. and you was at D.C. at a really good time. I mean, I'm saying you had that on time out.

[Justin Jefferson]

Time out.

[Bishop B]

What good time for D.C. it may not be the best. It was a good time for D.C. to have the rebuild mode getting to it.

[Justin Jefferson]

It was more than a rebuild mode. My first year of lockout. Year started off 0. 18.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Justin Jefferson]

Rough. So I don't know what to say. That wasn't a good time.

[Young Teague]

You should tell people how the lockout worked, though. Like, as a young guy that was getting. Getting drafted. You got no money and you get drafted to the NBA. And now you gotta figure it out for what, three, four months?

[Justin Jefferson]

Like four or five months. I was still here in Indy, working out, trying to get my degree. Then got throwing at Hibachi with him in the Pro Am in the league. But it's real tough. You gotta stay ready. You never know what's gonna happen. And you know he's gotta be up and ready to move in a second. But when I got there, team was kind of wasn't the best team ever put together. I could say that for sure. And I just kind of had to figure out on fly. I had some great vets to kept me together. Cause the team, I'm telling the team was like, wow. Started off 0 and 18. And then we was playing Philly. Cause his lockout was very close. We was playing Philly like every other week. Three times when they had Lou Elton, Drew Dre. It was just. Wasn't a good matchup for us.

[Young Teague]

Yeah, Damn.

[DJ Wells]

You had some good nights in D.C. though.

[Justin Jefferson]

Definitely had some good nights, you know, as a rookie going in, I'm pretty sure y'all done heard some stories, especially about that team.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Justin Jefferson]

I'll leave it at that.

[Young Teague]

Who was y'all bets on that team?

[Justin Jefferson]

On that team. So I had Roger Mason and also Rashard Lewis. Okay, shout out to coach Lou and Mo Evans.

[Young Teague]

You played with Mo? I played with Mo Evans, yeah. Yeah.

[Justin Jefferson]

So they took me underneath their wing. And let me understand, this ain't how the NBA works. Like continue to work, be a good pro. Crazy thing. All of them second round picks too. Like Rashad, I'm gonna say Mace was and just grinded. So it was there to help me out a lot for sure.

[Bishop B]

Now obviously, did you like that team? What? That Washington team?

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, it was put together.

[Bishop B]

Nah, y'all definitely needed a lot of work, you know what I'm saying? But it was just a crazy ass team. I just wanted you to bring it up. Cause I remember y'all had a crazy streak, man. That's a crazy way to get into the NBA.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, I went 18 flip. Sans was a coach, he got fired. He tell a lot of young guys trying to figure it out.

[Bishop B]

Now you go from the first venture to Washington, what's the next team you went to?

[Justin Jefferson]

Right after that I went to the main red clause. Had to go back to the G League drawing board.

[DJ Wells]

Work it out. Kill there though.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, crazy.

[Justin Jefferson]

I was putting up, putting up some good numbers, playing on Doc river system. That's when he was in Boston. So I was basically putting up the same numbers. Like Rondo, Remember Rondo was like 20, 15 and 18. Yeah, I was more of a score. So I was getting like 30, 10 and 12. Help me out a lot. I actually did two 10 days with Philly and then I ended up going to Atlanta. Nicking up with this guy? Yes, sir. With him for the next three, four years.

[Young Teague]

I would say. Yeah. I remember the first day you came, I was like, okay. Like I don't fuck with him. Like you know me in my head, like, oh, he coming to the city, he about to play. He ain't about to play. Like that's what my mindset was. Then when I got to know him, it was like, I mean, he cool as hell and I wanted to do everything I could to like help him. Like I wanted to see him kill. And we had like a group hate.

[Justin Jefferson]

You gonna throw me in there?

[Young Teague]

Like we just, we just bonded over some things. So it was like cool.

[Justin Jefferson]

It was me, you and a lot of other people. It felt the Same way.

[Young Teague]

We just bonded. He said, yeah, we had a group hate.

[DJ Wells]

So I was like, all right, hold on. Was Shell on the little Giants run?

[Young Teague]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, okay. Shell was the.

[Justin Jefferson]

What'd you call it?

[DJ Wells]

The little Giants run that. Y'all had that Tim Tebow run in the league.

[Justin Jefferson]

Is that what you got? We won 20 games in a row.

[Young Teague]

Yeah.

[Justin Jefferson]

Four All Stars. Yeah, I was on that team.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, okay.

[Young Teague]

That was fun.

[Justin Jefferson]

We had a lot of fun.

[Young Teague]

Too much fun. I remember when Shell. I was like, shel, about to get paid. We played in the playoffs against the Pacers. And I ain't get the sub back in the game. Cause Shel and Mike was hooping. I was like, damn, they killing. We went back home for game six, and I smoked it. My bad, bro. I let you down, bro. Y'all won game five for us. Go home and smoke. That was the 8.

[Justin Jefferson]

1 matchup. We supposed to win that.

[Young Teague]

Yeah, we supposed to win that. I smoked that one. I did a job, bro. You and Mike was clowning that game.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, but that team was so special just. Cause everyone, like, got along off the court.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Justin Jefferson]

You know, we had the real ones in the front playing Bou Ray. We had the other ones in the back playing uno, for sure. Where was you at, Jeff?

[Young Teague]

I was playing uno. I brought the UNO cards.

[Justin Jefferson]

Rob, the UNO card right now. It was a great team, just hanging out with everybody.

[DJ Wells]

You went to the Atlanta guy. I mean, you went to Atlanta, got settled for real. Got your crib and everything. I knew you was. Once you bought that crib. I'm like, yeah, he like. He love Atlanta. He ain't going nowhere.

[Justin Jefferson]

He locked in. I'm still there to this day. Tapped in with the city. Now I get a lot of love there. Like this special place in my heart.

[DJ Wells]

No show.

[Young Teague]

Mine's too.

[DJ Wells]

For different reasons, but.

[Young Teague]

Nah. I mean, I grew up there. I went from a little kid to a man in Atlanta. So that's all it got. A special place for me. I met some of my long, lasting friendships there.

[DJ Wells]

Shell, do you think that team could have won the championship if LeBron wasn't in the East?

[Young Teague]

Hell, yeah.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah. If LeBron wasn't playing. Yeah.

[Young Teague]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Y'all could have won the shit.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, we beat everybody else.

[Bishop B]

Who would y'all face in the finals?

[Young Teague]

Golden State? Nah, they wasn't like that yet. They weren't like that.

[Justin Jefferson]

They weren't like that. 42 dub whistles.

[Young Teague]

They weren't like that yet.

[Justin Jefferson]

Was it gonna stay?

[Young Teague]

Yeah, they wasn't them yet.

[DJ Wells]

That's the first year they wanted y'all beating that team.

[Young Teague]

Fuck no. They wasn't them yet. They was still, like, LeBron didn't want.

[Justin Jefferson]

It the year they beat us, though, didn't they?

[Young Teague]

Nah, they lost to Golden State, remember? Everybody was hurt. Bron Kyrie hurt his knee.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Justin Jefferson]

All right.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah. So what make you think y'all was gonna win?

[Justin Jefferson]

What? He just said. Everybody was hurt. When they full team, they full roster.

[DJ Wells]

I know, but that's LeBron and them, not y'all like, whoa, what?

[Justin Jefferson]

You ain't like our four All Stars?

[Bishop B]

Hey, let's match it up. Let's have fun.

[Justin Jefferson]

You ain't like our four All Stars.

[DJ Wells]

Let's have fun. That's what we're here for.

[Young Teague]

They just wasn't them. They wasn't. They wasn't them yet.

[DJ Wells]

Like Jeff. Definitely supposed to be an All Star, Al for sure. Supposed to be an All Star. PM for sure.

[Bishop B]

Now, who else?

[Justin Jefferson]

Who you slighting now, Freaky Cal?

[DJ Wells]

I ain't mad at it. You went on a run. You helped him. Jeff say you the real MVP of the team. I didn't play in the NBA. Take your 26 all star jersey run with it, bro. I get it. But when we get to the finals. Four one, bro.

[Young Teague]

Nah. Hell no.

[Justin Jefferson]

That's nasty work right there.

[DJ Wells]

Four one, bro.

[Young Teague]

Nah, bro.

[DJ Wells]

Sean Livingston, Harrison Barnes, Andre Iguodala.

[Justin Jefferson]

Was he. Yeah, he was on.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah. Draymond Green. It's Christmas.

[Young Teague]

Yeah, but we played them. We went one. We was even. We beat them in Atlanta. They beat us in Gold State.

[DJ Wells]

Fair enough, bro. Y'all beat a lot of teams.

[Justin Jefferson]

You got a great memory, man.

[DJ Wells]

Y'all won 61 games.

[Young Teague]

I remember my good games. Motherfuckers start getting the report. He definitely had, like, 35, but we beat him.

[DJ Wells]

Y'all had a good team, bro. Y'all really did, bro. I just loved.

[Bishop B]

We just matched up.

[Young Teague]

Cause we switched one through five.

[Justin Jefferson]

Do you think we'll get to the finals if LeBron wasn't playing?

[DJ Wells]

Oh, I mean, look, that run was magical, bro. That Jeremy Lynn run is magical. It's getting there, for sure.

[Young Teague]

The thing about LeBron, we just didn't have nobody to match up with. LeBron.

[DJ Wells]

No facts.

[Young Teague]

So Golden State, this was before they found all their superpowers. Like, only they got there.

[Justin Jefferson]

They did it as an aw.

[Young Teague]

Yeah. Only step to a whole nother level. Yeah. Steph had his superpowers. Clay was coming into his. Everybody else was still. They wasn't all the way there yet. We ain't we matched up cool with them. Cause we could switch one through five with them. We couldn't switch with Brian. Like, I can't switch on Brian, man. It's fucking Christmas.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, I just think, Sean Livestock would have been an X factor, bro.

[Young Teague]

We smooth. We had shit. We straight. You couldn't post that big chunky.

[DJ Wells]

I love Shield. But Sean Richard, 6, 7. We shooting right over.

[Justin Jefferson]

We living with the mid range. He gonna knock them in, too.

[Young Teague]

Yeah, we shooting threes, man. We started that three point.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, man.

[Young Teague]

Oh, the five, man shooting threes.

[Bishop B]

That was us.

[Justin Jefferson]

That was Al on a pocket pillow.

[Young Teague]

Him and Pero started that three point shooting green, bro.

[DJ Wells]

Shout out to the Ellen Hawks, bro. Is that 14? Shout out to my guys, man.

[Justin Jefferson]

All right, man. Give us some love. That was actually a really fun time. Cause also, music was just popping crazy at that time.

[Bishop B]

That's what I wanted to ask y'all. I mean, that run was crazy. But at the same time, when y'all was in Atlanta, like, the new wave of Atlanta artists is going crazy. You got Future reaching his pinnacle. You got Migos coming out like, y'all got to see them early on. How was that? Cause I imagine, shit, we already know how Atlanta was off the court was probably way better than off the court at that time period. Cause they had bankroll fresh. Everybody was getting their run at that time.

[Young Teague]

Shell wasn't really outside. I was outside. Damn, Shell, you.

[Bishop B]

What were you doing?

[Justin Jefferson]

I wasn't. I'm on 10 days and not guaranteed.

[Young Teague]

It wasn't outside. I was outside.

[Justin Jefferson]

Crazy thing is, I'm real good friends with 2 Chainz, with Ky. My dude does his job.

[Bishop B]

Ky.

[Justin Jefferson]

So the first day Bud got the job, me and changes in the private ceiling in the back working out. Bud come in. He don't know anything about, like, the hip hop scene music or Chain sitting down. It's like, I'm still on my 10 day, not guaranteed time. He's like, hey, man, you gotta do this cut all these people.

[DJ Wells]

Da, da, da.

[Justin Jefferson]

And like, it's like my home. He think it's like my homeboy telling this. It's like, who the hell is this? Y'all like, you about to be out of here.

[DJ Wells]

Who's this telling me all of this?

[Justin Jefferson]

So I had a good chance. Hey, bro, you got chill. He don't know who you are. Hey, don't mess my stuff up. I know you own the college Park Sky House. It right now, man.

[Young Teague]

Ch almost up the flag.

[Justin Jefferson]

True.

[Bishop B]

And I'm just. It's funny because I can Imagine Bud's face like not giving the entire.

[Young Teague]

He probably has a marker right here.

[Justin Jefferson]

He over there telling them cut people on rookies on rookie deal.

[DJ Wells]

I want to 10.

[Justin Jefferson]

I wish I could see his face, though. Imagine coming in like you don't know who his dude is. No, we just walk in, we just hanging out like, is Sheldon's homeboy? Serious.

[Young Teague]

But funny as hell. So he probably. Like, he probably had that.

[DJ Wells]

What the fuck? He definitely had that.

[Young Teague]

Yeah. Like, what the fuck? Who the fuck Shelby think he is? Get this guy the fuck out of here.

[DJ Wells]

But Shell had. Shell was that birthday bash and shit. He wasn't all the way inside.

[Young Teague]

When I say inside, I mean like Shell. When he. When he got established in Atlanta, you know, he had a family.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah.

[Young Teague]

So he wouldn't go out. I be like, sure you coming out. He be like, nah, player.

[Justin Jefferson]

Nah, I'll be. I be. Be going back to the arena.

[Young Teague]

Yeah, he was putting time.

[Justin Jefferson]

Every time I go back to the arena, we kind of live in the same spot, same area. We driving.

[Bishop B]

Where you see ch.

[Justin Jefferson]

Where you see. I look, I see where Camaro, Atlanta.

[Young Teague]

I was at doa. I had my jersey.

[Justin Jefferson]

Every time the K.

[DJ Wells]

That's a wild boy. That's a crazy after party. I used to chicken, bro.

[Young Teague]

I used to eat chicken wings, bro.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah. You know, after, like, sometimes you don't play a lot like in the league, you go upstairs and work out after the game. So I go up there, get my workout in. He done played 30 minutes, he out, he gone. I'm driving home at the light.

[Young Teague]

Can smell the chicken wings from the street, bro. Oh, y'all crazy.

[Bishop B]

That's funny as hell, man.

[Young Teague]

That was my spot, though, obviously, you.

[Bishop B]

Know what I'm saying? Atlanta was very well for you. Establish yourself as a player in this league, then you get a chance to go to, you know what I'm saying, A different situation to get some more minutes. How was that going to Utah for you, career wise?

[Justin Jefferson]

It was great, obviously, just having a relationship with Quinn. He was part of the staff in Atlanta, so he kind of knew my skill sets and know what I was capable of doing. And then there's also just having opportunities going and just like play right away and start. There's been a great team in Atlanta. You always have a lot of good players. Know Jeff was a good player. Then we also had Dennis Schroeder at the time. So it's kind of tough to get minutes consistently. There's gotta be a pro be ready. But I also want to appreciate online and Bud for allowing me to go. Could be selfish. No. Just having me sitting there because you just never know. Somebody can get hurt or any situation. But they allow me to move on and develop my game.

[Bishop B]

That's fine. And it's not too. You don't see. It's not too common to see organizations do right by people. And when they do, sometimes they may be handpicking with that. But for them to show you love like that, to put your situation, you can actually play as fire. Like you said. Y'all say, I first started going back at each other, you know what I'm saying was he got to Utah that first game.

[Young Teague]

Hey, I was so happy for him, man. To see him get a chance to be the starter, do his thing. He had a good game against us, but I think we probably won, though. We won.

[Justin Jefferson]

I can't remember.

[Young Teague]

It don't matter when you kill. You don't even give a fuck. You want to lose sometimes. I ain't gonna hold you. But in a regular season, he'd be like, shit, I killed y'all though. So he probably had a good game.

[Justin Jefferson]

I can't remember no. If I get eight, I'm killing.

[Young Teague]

Oh, yeah, eight.

[Justin Jefferson]

Oh, shit.

[Young Teague]

He wasn't killing.

[Justin Jefferson]

Nah, it's transition. I can't start on the first day of getting there. We played y'all like right away, right?

[Young Teague]

Yeah, you did. Oh, yeah, you did get traded and played right away. Yeah, you right. You did.

[Justin Jefferson]

That was the crazy part. I was in practice, I couldn't get no reps the day before. You know, Jeff don't like practice. Jeff, like, come get me. I'm like, bro, they not letting me in.

[Young Teague]

Listen, kids, I love practice.

[Justin Jefferson]

But now it's a good way. Jeff let me. Jeff would let me get out there and like play. Yeah, and like work and work on my.

[Young Teague]

I'm like, go ahead and kill them.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Justin Jefferson]

Come get me. I'm like, bro, they ain't letting me out there.

[DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Young Teague]

Damn.

[Justin Jefferson]

It's Ace. Sit here on the side.

[Young Teague]

What's your head. He had eight came off the bench. Who was starting that thing?

[Justin Jefferson]

Hey, man, quit asking all them questions.

[DJ Wells]

Was it the foreigner? Light skinned buddy Dante.

[Young Teague]

Oh, Dante asked him.

[Justin Jefferson]

It might have been Dante.

[Young Teague]

31 minutes.

[DJ Wells]

You better play the whole game.

[Justin Jefferson]

Shit. He let me. I got. What was my shooting percentage?

[Young Teague]

He had to be 3 for 16.

[Bishop B]

Damn.

[Justin Jefferson]

I definitely gave myself a chance.

[Young Teague]

Get some FGA's up.

[DJ Wells]

I had to.

[Justin Jefferson]

I gave myself a chance.

[Young Teague]

Nah, he had Rudy.

[DJ Wells]

Damn. When he was weak too.

[Young Teague]

Yeah, yeah, we knew this.

[Justin Jefferson]

It Just changed recently.

[Bishop B]

Hey, what's crazy is, while you was in Utah, you played in one of the most important games in basketball history, man. Kobe's final game. How was that atmosphere building up to that? And how was it to play in that game? Cause everybody in the world wanted y'all to lose that game. And y'all was still, like. I know y'all was right out of playoff implications, but y'all wasn't trying to let Kobe win that game either.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, it was like, we had to wait till, like, halftime to see if we was gonna make the playoffs. We were trying to win. A lot of people get it confused that, like, we was letting Kobe do all that. Like, Kobe also shot 50 times. Not hard to shoot 50 shots in one basketball game.

[Young Teague]

That's nuts, bro.

[Bishop B]

Does anybody. I know who would do it?

[DJ Wells]

Let's see him.

[Justin Jefferson]

Nah. But it was. The atmosphere was crazy. Like, the president was there. Like, we'd come in, you know. Jeff, you go down the tunnel. Staples center, everybody out there with AKS 47 sign.

[Young Teague]

Damn.

[Justin Jefferson]

No Secret Service. It was amazing. Kanye, Jay Z, all these people sitting, like, second row for this. But if you go back and watch the tape, I had zero of that six.

[Young Teague]

We didn't get scored on it all.

[Justin Jefferson]

Like, I'll pull it up.

[DJ Wells]

You live and die by that.

[Justin Jefferson]

That's his first thing I ain't getting.

[DJ Wells]

He was a part of that shield.

[Justin Jefferson]

No, that's one of my favorite players. Kobe's my favorite player.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, for sure.

[Justin Jefferson]

But I didn't get any of that.

[Bishop B]

You didn't switch on.

[Justin Jefferson]

But they was, Luis. They gonna pull it up. But the way they was letting Julius Randle set them screens, Outrageous.

[Young Teague]

They had to get Kobe open, bro.

[Justin Jefferson]

But Kobe, it was just different. Like, no matter what he did, everybody in the crowd like, oh, ooh, this turn. It's a weird game to kind of play in.

[DJ Wells]

It was the last two, Rod.

[Justin Jefferson]

What?

[Young Teague]

He ended with 62 on 50 shots. That's the way to go out, boy. I swear.

[DJ Wells]

For sure.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Young Teague]

50 shots.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

I don't see nobody else shooting at me.

[Young Teague]

My last game, I didn't touch the floor.

[DJ Wells]

Well, it wasn't about you, big fella.

[Young Teague]

I see the 50 piece, though. You understand 50.

[Justin Jefferson]

The crazy part, like, pregame, Lou was on the team. Lou was like, he about to shoot 50 times. I'm like, he ain't about to shoot 50 shots. Came out there and did it, like, every time somebody wide open, just swing it at him, let him go. And the crazy part, he started off super, super Slow. And then like started making like eight baskets in a row. And the whole stadium just rooting for him. Like, you foul them, you foul them. Like take the side out of everybody.

[DJ Wells]

Boom, boom.

[Justin Jefferson]

So it was a little different.

[Young Teague]

It had to be an amazing atmosphere though. Yeah.

[Bishop B]

I was gonna say I couldn't imagine playing in the game like that.

[Young Teague]

I would have loved to have been in that game.

[DJ Wells]

What was you doing?

[Young Teague]

I would have been trying to go at him. Yeah. I would have been trying to guard him. I would have been extra as hell.

[DJ Wells]

Woulda bit your name off there too.

[Bishop B]

Not for real.

[Young Teague]

I would have been talking shit.

[Justin Jefferson]

That wouldn't have worked, man.

[Young Teague]

That was going to work. But he was going to get them points, whatever.

[Justin Jefferson]

But it was special.

[Young Teague]

I would have been Dylan Brooks, especially.

[Justin Jefferson]

Like I said, my favorite player of all time.

[Young Teague]

I would have been Dylan Brooks. I've been like, kobe's not that good. He shot 50 songs.

[DJ Wells]

He said he wanted people to do that, though. He didn't want people to, you know. Yeah, let him do nothing. Go crazy like it's a regular.

[Justin Jefferson]

He worked for it. That wasn't nothing easy.

[DJ Wells]

I said like, talk, talk like, Jeff would have been like, you got the.

[Justin Jefferson]

Kobe's from that day?

[Young Teague]

Hell yeah. I got mama days.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, the mama days. I actually got him. He was able to sign them for me.

[Young Teague]

Oh, he signed him. Damn. Shit on that spot.

[DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, I should have played. I should have played in him, but I didn't.

[Young Teague]

Nah, I got him. Only thing I got signed from Kobe was he signed a card. Yeah.

[Justin Jefferson]

So I always did it. I wear Kobe's all the time. Whatever. We play them. I wouldn't wear a shoe, but I can't be on the court looking like that.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Justin Jefferson]

What about you?

[Young Teague]

I ain't hooping. Kobe's to the end.

[Justin Jefferson]

I know. You was Adidas all the time.

[Young Teague]

Yeah, I was Adidas. So I ain't hooping. Kobe's to the end. Really? I was hooping in Jordan tens. I was trying to get signed by team Jordan. It ain't work.

[Bishop B]

Damn.

[Justin Jefferson]

Joe didn't put in the car for.

[Young Teague]

You joint with me like that. He only with me at the club.

[Justin Jefferson]

Off the court.

[Young Teague]

Off the court. T, you got them hoes. I go.

[Bishop B]

Play roll. That's crazy because you was almost Team LeBron too.

[Young Teague]

I used to wear LeBron's too. He wasn't with me either. You gonna sign with Rich? I was like, damn, I can't do it. Squat. All right.

[Justin Jefferson]

Damn.

[Young Teague]

I should have. Hey, fuck that up.

[Bishop B]

Shout out to Junior.

[Young Teague]

Shout out to the guy.

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[Bishop B]

Autozone restrictions apply so obviously man, you know what I'm saying? Had your time in the league, transition to different things. What you got going on right now, man?

[Justin Jefferson]

Right now do college basketball. CBS sports analyst.

[Bishop B]

Yes sir.

[Justin Jefferson]

So working in the front office with an NBA team, doing some pro scout and trying to find some talent, hanging out with the family and kids. So got a good life, Blessed life. The crazy part is playing multiple teams, meet a lot of people, have A lot of connections. And it's no pen off for me now as I make this transition. No being a retired player.

[Bishop B]

I was gonna ask about that. Even with Jeff. Like you guys always have good rapport with different people. And people don't understand the NBA fraternity is different. Once you in, you can really be there for life. If you got good rapport. And it's dope to see the network and the stuff of how it works. But now it's interesting because like we said Butler definitely all you reparations. But the nil shit going on back to back championships, bro.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, I had dinner with Brad last night. I told him same time would not been in Butler the following year.

[Young Teague]

Yeah, out transfer portal for sure. Easy on them for sure.

[DJ Wells]

That bag would have been recharged.

[Young Teague]

I got a meal, something.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, by 1.5 is definitely different around here.

[Bishop B]

How was. How was that taken in, I wonder? Like as you're scouting, you know what I'm saying? You look at the different kids and stuff going on that could potentially be pros. Does that play a factor in it? Like how they handle the nil at all? I mean, I don't know if that's not being pocket watching, but just like the mannerisms. Because that does need a different aspect of recruiting with people.

[Justin Jefferson]

For me not really know at this side, you're not really dealing with that. It's more like the agent of somebody else.

[Bishop B]

I got you.

[Justin Jefferson]

But you know, it's a lot of people who's very good playing basketball. So a lot of stuff like off the court that stops them from getting to the next level. Like intel. They might be hanging out with a behead all the time.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Justin Jefferson]

Being the wrong spot, wrong time.

[Bishop B]

Red flag, red flag.

[Justin Jefferson]

Red flag. Right there, right there. Nah, that's my guy. But look, look for stuff like that because you know, once you able to get somebody a lot of money, a lot of access, you just don't know how they're gonna act. No basketball. Basketball is like a small piece. There's no more about your character. And no men had to be a great teammate. That's the hardest thing. No NBA, everyone averaged 20 points at some point in time. Don't go there. And you might have to be a cheerleader for a few, for a few games and just see how you respond. Are you gonna be mad at the coach or the assistant coach or the ball boy who has nothing to do with this? Are you gonna take it out on now? No. It's not the kind of people that you wanna work with on A day to day basis.

[DJ Wells]

How you like commentating though. You see yourself doing that for a long time.

[Justin Jefferson]

I enjoy doing it. Get to watch a lot of basketball, stay around the game. Yeah, it's a little different doing college instead of pros because you not trying to talk bad about anyone's sign. No, everyone's trying to work and continue to get better. We love to call some games. See how I sound at the arena. But it good. Just keep me all around and stay in touch with everybody.

[DJ Wells]

Cool.

[Bishop B]

So man, March Madness is still one of the craziest fucking basketball situations of all time. Obviously what you haven't experienced in that. Do you think it's different now with the game as far as like March man, like. Cause we don't even have too many college players that we get excited about anymore. It's like we skip every so often. But back in Yalls days it was every year, every team. Like not every team but you had marquee teams and matchups every single year. Yeah, it's like totally different now. How do you stay intact with that? Like do you even get excited for that type of stuff? I know obviously with you working you locked in with it. But is it even the same atmosphere like being removed from it when you're.

[Justin Jefferson]

Able to go to the game, you still able to fulfill it? Cause it's like say here in Indiana, like iu, Purdue, no matter who's playing, you can just go to game and kind of feel the energy.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Justin Jefferson]

It's hard to keep up with it though with the transfer portal. People just being able to just go.

[Bishop B]

That makes sense.

[Justin Jefferson]

School for school. So sometimes I get lost on it with the players transferring. Then also the sixth year kind of.

[Young Teague]

Threw everything off that Covid year.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Justin Jefferson]

So once all of that stuff settle in, people can start tapping back in with their favorite players and hopefully we get some loyalty coming in soon with all this. But I don't see how long, how much longer this nil stuff can work.

[DJ Wells]

How you feel about Butler moving to the Big East?

[Justin Jefferson]

I think it's a great move. He had some good years when coach Laval was coaching. Top 10 in the country. All that right now, some downtime, but can't really say his downtime when they got the two national champs over the past few years back to back. Knowing the conference, this is a tough conference. I think it's one of the best conference. Better than the acc. You ask me.

[Young Teague]

Cap. Woo. Cap.

[Justin Jefferson]

I don't know Big east, acc.

[Bishop B]

I don't know Big Dog. That's tough.

[Justin Jefferson]

Top heavy who you like? Who you liking? The ACC.

[Bishop B]

I'm biased. I'm gonna go ACC. But if you go in UConn against the board, then you never gotta go UConn.

[Justin Jefferson]

But, well, like, consistently, like Marquette, Villanova.

[Young Teague]

They've been good.

[Justin Jefferson]

Crazy.

[Young Teague]

They've been good.

[Bishop B]

I don't know about Crayton.

[DJ Wells]

Shell talking about, like, 20 win teams.

[Bishop B]

Oh, no, no. As a total hall, for sure. Yeah.

[Young Teague]

They got an overall better conference. Joint conference. Yeah, they got a. Right now.

[Bishop B]

But in the tournament, I fear a couple of them ACC teams a little bit more.

[Young Teague]

Yeah, like, I like Duke. I like Carolina.

[Justin Jefferson]

All right.

[Young Teague]

I like Wake Forest.

[Bishop B]

You said Wake.

[Young Teague]

Yeah. I like Florida State. I like Miami a lot.

[DJ Wells]

Quiet.

[Young Teague]

Miami good. Miami good.

[Bishop B]

Shout out to Nigel.

[DJ Wells]

They okay, but they ain't. They not better than that.

[Justin Jefferson]

They were good, but, like, Miami was good. Cause, like, you talking about Nigel Pack getting the transfer in.

[Bishop B]

Yes, sir.

[Justin Jefferson]

Like, you need that to be, like, at that. At that high level.

[Young Teague]

Yeah. NC State.

[Justin Jefferson]

I meant to see how Duke is going to be this year with us having all those freshmen coming in, playing.

[Bishop B]

Oh, they're going. I think they going smack, smack.

[Justin Jefferson]

Think so.

[Bishop B]

Cooper Flag is the one. He's the one. If they let him cook the right. He's the one, bro.

[Justin Jefferson]

Isaiah Evans is pretty good, too.

[Bishop B]

Oh, no, they got a whip, too.

[Young Teague]

They not.

[Bishop B]

He ain't a one, man, by any means. They got a whip. That's why I didn't understand why he was talking about them transferring. Because everybody who transferred was tampered with. I'm like, that's crazy, bro.

[DJ Wells]

He the best player in college basketball.

[Young Teague]

No Cooper.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Justin Jefferson]

Nah, I gotta see right now, even.

[DJ Wells]

Though even those people are aging there right now, he's still better than all of them.

[Justin Jefferson]

He's the best prospect, but, like, he the best prospect. Playing college basketball is, like, different. Like, we see Oscar, she weigh. Yeah, 20 and 20, and then go to the next step. He play for the Pacers. It's kind of hard for him to get out there and contribute and play at a high level.

[DJ Wells]

But Cooper. Cooper Flagg's path is different.

[Young Teague]

Yeah, he gonna be the best prospect.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, it's definitely different. But I'm saying, like, it's different, but also, Xiwe is player of the year. Like, I don't. I don't think Cooper gonna get player of the year.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah.

[Bishop B]

Nah, he probably won't get the accolades. He gonna get the number one pick, Coop.

[Young Teague]

We're gonna average, like, nine.

[DJ Wells]

Hell, no.

[Bishop B]

Nine points. He gotta get more than that.

[Young Teague]

You know how it Goes.

[Justin Jefferson]

I say between like 9 and 14.

[DJ Wells]

That's a big gap.

[Justin Jefferson]

He's not. But it's not gonna be 20.

[Bishop B]

Nah, it ain't gonna be 20. It'd be 13, 14.

[Young Teague]

And he going in there with a whole bunch of other freshmen.

[Bishop B]

He going in with a whip.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, they all trying to get back.

[Young Teague]

I don't think they about to be the number two pick. Like, are you one? I know I'm about to be two.

[DJ Wells]

We had this clip. It's okay.

[Young Teague]

All right.

[DJ Wells]

Cooper, player of the year. Duke national championship.

[Young Teague]

Think about how old dude was at Carolina. What's his name? Babcock.

[Bishop B]

Babcock.

[DJ Wells]

Babcock, for sure was Andrea.

[Young Teague]

Three or four other players, though, they not. They not going, bro.

[DJ Wells]

They 24 and up for sure.

[Bishop B]

Older him or homeboy from Kansas.

[Justin Jefferson]

Actually, like Western faze. Is he played a year. The kid from Notre Dame, the guard.

[Young Teague]

Oh, yeah, he nice.

[DJ Wells]

Marcus from Indiana.

[Bishop B]

Shout out to Indiana.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, great. Great basketball player.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Cole Cooper. Flag.

[Young Teague]

I'm cool.

[Bishop B]

The Great White Hope is on the way. Man, I gotta ask, man, y'all. I'm saying off the court. I know how y'all went on the court. How was, like, y'all kicking it off the court. Y'all talk about them Tequila and Sprites, man, how y'all get locked in like that?

[Young Teague]

I think it was more just like us loving the game. Like, we would talk about basketball off the court. So we'd be like, man, how can we get better looking at stats? Watching games like this, All I gotta do to me. And Shel was barely by the numbers. I can average 12 points a game right here. That'd give me 6 million a year. Like, we was like that. Like, we was just trying to map the game out. But we enjoyed playing. So we had talk about the game, then we just kick it, bro. He was just cool. We talk about. We still talk about playing Madden and stuff like that. NCAA football just came out. He never was really that good at video games, but he always wanted to play.

[Justin Jefferson]

I'm top. Top in the country. Hey, Matt, he ain't shell. I'm in the game, man.

[DJ Wells]

All right.

[Justin Jefferson]

I'm trying to tell you also, I think I was forced to go to team dinner all the time. After every road game we go to team dinner, we sitting there for three, four hours, just sitting there, hanging out, talking. No, obviously having Hendrick is the connection. He was able to relate on a lot of different things. Do people know anything about your wrestling fetish?

[Young Teague]

Yeah, everybody know I love wrestling.

[DJ Wells]

That's Balls.

[Bishop B]

Fetish is crazy.

[Young Teague]

Everybody know I love feet.

[Justin Jefferson]

My man watching 1976 wrestling matches. What's that?

[DJ Wells]

I guess that's a fetish. Fetish.

[Young Teague]

That'll turn me on.

[Justin Jefferson]

Fetish is a wild word.

[Young Teague]

That'll turn me on. He's a fan of wrestling, bro.

[Justin Jefferson]

Why? He said.

[Young Teague]

I don't know why he said fetish.

[DJ Wells]

But everybody know I like wrestling one piece.

[Young Teague]

He was a dead cat.

[Justin Jefferson]

In 1976, though. On the iPad, I'm like, bro, what.

[DJ Wells]

You got going on, bro?

[Young Teague]

Bro, I just like wrestling, bro. But you know what something else we relate to. We cheat.

[DJ Wells]

Whoa.

[Young Teague]

No. We cheat.

[Justin Jefferson]

What you talking about, cuz?

[Young Teague]

That's why we was going to the.

[Bishop B]

Team dinner so long.

[Young Teague]

We cheat, cheat, cheat.

[Justin Jefferson]

I just gotta watch your bro. You see what he.

[Young Teague]

No, we both cheap, bro.

[Bishop B]

We use.

[Young Teague]

We don't wanna spend money.

[DJ Wells]

Say that P. Bro, you ain't from Chicago.

[Young Teague]

Say that P. Man, look at him, bro. He tried get you caught up or something. I know.

[Justin Jefferson]

I got wide.

[Young Teague]

It's always him, bro.

[DJ Wells]

He was confused.

[Young Teague]

Too cheap. Like, we don't use the money.

[Bishop B]

We cheap.

[DJ Wells]

Frugal.

[Bishop B]

There we go. Frugal friends.

[Young Teague]

Cause that's how we used to go to them team dinners we like. Oh, he about to pay for us to eat again.

[Justin Jefferson]

I'll eat free.

[Young Teague]

Yeah. What?

[Bishop B]

Tequila on him.

[Young Teague]

Oh, shit.

[Justin Jefferson]

Why Jeff getting all the 1942 he can get?

[Young Teague]

For sure. My bill used to be 1,500 alone.

[DJ Wells]

Damn.

[Young Teague]

Who's paying for the seam dinner, bud?

[Bishop B]

Damn.

[Young Teague]

I was racking up. I was taking stuff back to the room. I was acting like Beh on the Ballon tab.

[Bishop B]

Yeah.

[Justin Jefferson]

Wow. That's how you be doing it. Yes.

[Bishop B]

He get a to go play everywhere we go.

[Young Teague]

He get two to go.

[Justin Jefferson]

Two to go.

[DJ Wells]

I do that regardless. What do I pay for the volume?

[Young Teague]

That nigga look at the bill. He just take his bags and leave. Might be like.

[Bishop B]

Mike Leftover Junior too.

[John Mittelkoff]

Ae.

[Young Teague]

Mike leftover?

[DJ Wells]

Yeah. Nigga, swipe that American Express fuck out of here.

[Young Teague]

What's wrong with him, man? They try to get people jammed up.

[Justin Jefferson]

Nah, we definitely cheap. I would say.

[Young Teague]

Yeah, we cheap.

[Justin Jefferson]

We going. We trying to go to get Saxon for 1000.

[Young Teague]

We like.

[Justin Jefferson]

Who else coming?

[Bishop B]

Oh, that's nasty.

[Young Teague]

I got 250 on it.

[Justin Jefferson]

Yeah, straight up.

[Young Teague]

Hey, like, Paul.

[Bishop B]

You going, Paul, be like, what you.

[Young Teague]

Done make the most money, man?

[Bishop B]

And they was in the league. Went ahead on the rack.

[DJ Wells]

That's how they was, bro.

[Young Teague]

Y'all getting a bottle. Bottom 300. I got 25. Be him tomorrow we all break it up, babe. Bring it all up.

[Justin Jefferson]

We was smart, man.

[Young Teague]

Trying to be.

[Bishop B]

That's funny, man.

[DJ Wells]

He's a hoe, man. I can't believe that nigga over there.

[Bishop B]

Oh, man. Hey, man, it's been real. Shell's family at the park, man. We gotta have you back, man. It's always a good time when you in the building, man.

[Young Teague]

You know what we need him for. He gotta be our college basketball host for the morning show.

[Bishop B]

Come on, man. Morning show?

[Young Teague]

We got a morning show.

[Bishop B]

It's on the way, bro.

[Justin Jefferson]

On the way.

[Young Teague]

We need to call you basketball updates, man, on the zone.

[Justin Jefferson]

I'm definitely. I'm definitely with that.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, we need that. Come on, man. Come to 520. You already game, bro.

[Young Teague]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

You know your family.

[Justin Jefferson]

You gotta represent for Butler a little bit more.

[Bishop B]

Nah, man. I didn't graduate today. So shout out to the Lou. Hey.

[DJ Wells]

He didn't graduate from day.

[Bishop B]

Nope.

[DJ Wells]

He claiming Louisville. He got the bird on him.

[Bishop B]

Not the bird, man. Don't disrespect the book flagging, bro.

[DJ Wells]

You a card.

[Justin Jefferson]

You a little card.

[Bishop B]

Yeah, my family be all from there. So yeah, we locked in for sure. Deep in the rap. But look, man, you're not gonna see this face.

[Justin Jefferson]

Did you graduate from there?

[Bishop B]

No, I didn't go there. My whole family's from there. My family's like them a little. Got you got one time for the one time. Hey, man, you'll see. Show back soon. We set it on wax. He's gonna be our basketball college basketball analyst for 5:20 in the morning. Coming soon. Lock into that. But you know what it is. Be here and tell the people they.

[DJ Wells]

Can buy some [e-mail] baby.

[Bishop B]

Yes, sir. You know what time it is like share, subscribe, all that good shit. We'll be back next time. Club 520.

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[Young Teague]

Now we have a level of privilege that our parents never had. So what do we do with it? Right?

[Justin Jefferson]

How do we.

[Young Teague]

How do we utilize the opportunities that we have that they don't?

[Justin Jefferson]

Right?

[Young Teague]

And a lot of that is educating ourselves, educating ourselves on how to not make the same mistakes they did.

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