Club Shay Shay - Big Daddy Kane Part 2

Summary

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Club Shay Shay – Big Daddy Kane (Part 2)

Released: September 24, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guest: Big Daddy Kane

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Episode Overview

In Part 2 of his Club Shay Shay interview, hip-hop legend Big Daddy Kane joins Shannon Sharpe for a deep-dive on hip-hop’s past, present, and future. The conversation covers the historic Juice Crew era, legendary rap beefs, mentorship of Jay-Z, ghostwriting, generational respect, hip-hop’s evolution, fashion, and cultural impact. Kane shares personal anecdotes on everyone from Rakim and Eminem to Madonna and Nas, weaving together reflections on longevity, creativity, and authenticity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Juice Crew Era and Early Hip-Hop Roots

[02:46–04:15]

• Shannon reveals his early love for Kane’s collective: “In my 1987, we had an intramural basketball team. The name of our team was the Juice Crew All Stars” (02:46).
• Kane credits Fly Ty and Marley Marl as the architects of the crew, and emphasizes the importance of being part of Mr. Magic’s groundbreaking hip-hop radio team.
• Kane: “Mr. Magic was the official voice of hip-hop radio. He's the person that broke hip-hop records, and I'm part of his crew.” (03:53)

Lyricism’s Evolution: Melly Mel, Rakim, and Battle Rap

[04:20–06:15]

• Kane discusses how Melly Mel created a lyrical identity for the MC, giving the rapper a central role that shifted with Rakim’s arrival in 1986.
• Kane: “Melly Mel gave the MC an identity because he put lyricism in it… When Rakim came in '86, he brought it back.” (05:17–06:15)

Breaking Down Beef: The Rakim “Misunderstanding”

[06:25–09:48]

• Shannon asks about rumors of a Rakim/Kane diss. Kane recounts a near-miss over misunderstood lyrics (“Word to Daddy”).
• Kane and Rakim clear things up over the phone thanks to Eric B.’s brother mediating.
• Kane: “I was calling myself a rap soloist, not saying that you a rap soloist… and he was like, ‘Oh, okay.’ And that was that. Ever since then, we’ve been cool.” (09:17–09:48)
• Shannon wonders why today’s rappers can’t just pick up the phone like this.
• Shannon: “Why can’t guys do that today?... This is foolish. Let’s talk this thing up.” (09:48–10:07)

Are Rap Beefs Good or Bad?

[10:33–11:31]

• Kane thinks beefs are “bad for careers, good for MCs,” since they keep rappers sharp but often escalate due to fans rather than artists.
• Kane: “Career wise, it can be career ending… and can cause someone’s death. The fans can take it too far.” (11:20)

Jay-Z Origins: The Shirt Kings Mixtape

[12:30–15:55]

• Kane tells how a collaborative mixtape led him to meet Jay-Z (then “the light-skinned dude”), and how he supported Jay’s early career.
• Kane: “I kind of liked the light-skinned dude better. Is it okay if I work with him?” (13:05)
• Reveals Jay was quiet, always studying and absorbing, an attribute Kane links to Jay’s greatness later.
• Kane: “Jay studies everything. He was sitting there studying, and I think that attribute, you know, to his greatness.” (15:18)

On Ghostwriting and Authenticity

[15:55–16:56]

• Kane admits ghostwriting for artists like Biz Markie and explains it was once hush-hush. Now, writing for others is common, but real MCs are supposed to write their own.
• Kane: “I wrote most of Biz Markie’s first album… There were artists, you know, that wrote big songs for other people, but it was really ghostwriting—real, real ghostwriting.” (16:12–16:44)

Why Labels Passed on Jay-Z

[17:11–18:27]

• Kane recalls labels rejecting Jay-Z during his fast-rap era and believes it worked out for the best.
• Kane: “Had he came out doing that, he may have been successful for a year or two… He came out at the right time talking about the right stuff.” (17:23–18:27)

Respect, Mentorship, and Generation Gaps

[24:03–26:25]

• Kane laments younger artists often lack respect not because they’re disrespectful, but because “irrelevant” is thrown around so much. He advocates for bridging the gap between generations.
• Kane: “The word irrelevant carries a lot of weight in the music industry today… I would love to see even if it’s not my generation, artists from that era talking with these young cats, giving them game.” (24:31–25:31)
• His docu-series Paragraphs I Manifest aims to re-instill the value of lyricism in the younger generation, featuring artists like J. Cole, Jay-Z, Eminem, and Snoop Dogg.

Eminem, Authenticity, and Regional Diversity in Rap

[28:25–30:48]

• Kane praises Eminem’s studiousness and uniqueness, noting how Em rapped about his white trailer-park reality.
• Kane: “He talked about his hood, he talked about 8-mile, but he not talking about the projects in Detroit… He’s talking about white hood shit.” (30:28)
• Attributes Eminem’s staying power to honesty and being a “student of the game.”

Substance, Trends, and Hip-Hop’s Direction

[31:26–34:45]

• Shannon and Kane discuss hip-hop’s authenticity and trend-chasing: “It’s whatever’s trending… That’s what’s trending. So everybody and their momma coming out the concert with cowboy boots and a hat.” (33:40)
• On Drake saying UK rappers are better lyrically:
  Kane: “Everybody is entitled to their opinion. You know, that's the beautiful thing about an opinion.” (34:13–34:45)

Kane’s Persona, Fashion, and Hip-Hop Style

[34:54–39:01]

• Kane explains the influence of neighborhood pimps, hustlers, and his father’s style on his stage persona.
• Reflects on block party style versus the street art/graffiti often associated with early hip-hop.
• On modern fashion: he sees less trendsetting, more following mainstream fashion weeks, whereas the old-school drew directly from street creativity and designers like Dapper Dan.

Relationships, Modeling, Madonna, and Iconic Moments

[42:13–48:16]

• The origin of his “ladies man” status and stories of women-only shows: “We decided to do two shows at the Apollo for ladies only… Put candy canes in every seat and let it say suck on Kane.” (42:27–43:15)
• On Madonna inviting him to her Sex book photoshoot:
  Kane: “Madonna comes running across the room butt, ass naked… Let me tell you, I was just standing outside… with my thumb out, taking photos. But not one single car stopped.” (47:16)

Acting, Chappelle’s Block Party, and GTA

[48:29–51:14]

• Kane wishes he’d focused more on acting but now encourages his son’s career.
• Praises Dave Chappelle’s hip-hop knowledge and the fun of being a part of Chappelle’s Block Party.
• Enjoys his music’s inclusion in video games like GTA: “There’s children today that know my girl from top to bottom but don’t know the Temptations.” (50:53)

Women in Rap and Over-Sexualization

[51:17–53:32]

• Kane names favorites from Shy Rock, Queen Latifah, and Lauryn Hill to Lola Brooke, noting he prefers not to rank just five.
• He upholds Queen Latifah as a model for resisting pressure to be over-sexualized:
  Kane: “That's one of the main things that I've always respected about Queen Latifah… I'm gonna keep it Afrocentric and I'm gonna be the queen.” (53:31)

Location, Roots, and Changing Environments

[53:58–56:09]

• Kane explains leaving Brooklyn in 1987 for a more suburban life, eventually settling with family in North Carolina.
• Notes the shift in perception and necessity to move as his profile grew.

Sports, Childhood, and Favorite Athletes

[56:09–63:03]

• Shares how his basketball aspirations faded after early school trouble.
• Knicks/Lakers? “Knicks. Come on, man. …That legacy alone. Gotta love the Knicks, man.” (57:43–61:13)
• Doesn’t watch football but loves boxing, especially Muhammad Ali’s influence:
  Kane: “Ali… Like, that's how I used a lot of Ali stuff, to win battles.” (62:27)
• On Bud vs. Canelo: leans toward Bud, but “want[s] to see the weight right.” (63:13)

Health, Faith, and Philosophy

[63:38–65:27]

• Explains his pescatarian diet since the late ‘80s, originally inspired by learning about food impacts.
• Identifies with the Five Percent Nation, valuing knowledge of self, black empowerment, and teaching youth.

Cancel Culture and Learning from Mistakes

[65:27–66:38]

• Kane supports second chances: “Anybody is entitled to make mistakes. The name of the game is do better.” (65:35)
• Critiques inconsistency in cancel culture: “I know of a guy that do wrong things every day that everybody just sweep under the rug. So, I mean… what the hell really is cancel culture?” (66:38)

Favorite Music Era and Influences

[67:05–68:35]

• Loves ‘70s music for its sound, ‘60s for lyrical storytelling:
  Kane: “The ‘60s had some hell of five stories… but the music [was] better in the ‘70s.” (67:09)
• Shannon affectionately reminisces about big bands: Cooling the Gang, Ohio Players, Cameo, Heatwave.

South Takes the Rap Crown?

[69:17–70:52]

• Shannon jokes about ATL taking the rap crown from NY. Kane rejects any regional supremacy: “Hip hop is universal, and everybody deserved their shot.” (69:17)
• Admits to loving Outkast, CeeLo, Ludacris, Juvenile—and a broad palette of styles.

Kane’s Top 5 Rappers (“Who Would You Listen To?”)

[70:52–72:47]

• Kane dodges greatest MCs, instead listing favorites he enjoys most: Chuck D, Slick Rick, Jay-Z, CeeLo, and Chub Rock.
• On Chub Rock’s legendary voice:
  Kane: “He talks like that in real life.” (72:47–72:55)

Final Reflections, Hip-Hop’s Future, and Wisdom

[74:44–75:32]

• Kane hopes the next 50 years brings more artists writing impactful lyrics and mastering performance, regardless of stage production.
• Closing jabs about hypothetical lineups across eras, tossing in humor and mutual respect with Shannon.

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Notable Quotes

• On Juice Crew’s impact:
  “Mr. Magic was the official voice of hip hop radio… I’m part of his crew. I knew I was part of something special.” – Big Daddy Kane [03:53]
• On keeping beef on wax:
  “Career wise, it can be career ending and it can cause someone’s death because the fans can take it too far.” – Big Daddy Kane [11:20]
• On Jay-Z’s greatness:
  “Jay studies everything. He was sitting there studying, and I think that attribute, you know, to his greatness.” – Big Daddy Kane [15:18]
• On generational respect:
  “It’s things that's instilled in the younger generation mind… I just think that we have to figure out a way to bridge the gap.” – Big Daddy Kane [24:31–25:31]
• On authenticity vs. trends:
  “It's whatever's trending… Everybody and their momma coming out the concert with cowboy boots and a hat.” – Big Daddy Kane [33:40]
• On Eminem’s uniqueness:
  “He’s talking about white hood shit. I thought that that was just so dope… because he wasn’t trying to pretend to be something he wasn’t.” – Big Daddy Kane [30:28]
• On Queen Latifah:
  “She was like, I’m gonna keep it Afrocentric and I'm gonna be the queen. I'm not putting that type shit on… That's something about Queen Latifah I've always respected.” – Big Daddy Kane [53:31]
• On cancel culture:
  “Anybody is entitled to make mistake, you know, it’s just do better. What did you learn from it?” – Big Daddy Kane [65:35]
• On longevity:
  “10 years from now, will you still be relevant? …The lifespan today of an artist is usually about eight months.” – Big Daddy Kane [27:31–27:43]

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Memorable Moments

• Settling rumors with Rakim over the phone (09:48)
• Quiet, observant Jay-Z in the studio (15:15–15:55)
• Madonna greeting Kane on set “butt, ass naked,” pitching the Sex book (47:16)
• Kane letting Jay-Z and Positive K perform during his outfit changes (14:05)
• Kane’s humorous Playgirl story—“It started as a joke” (45:04)
• Shannon and Kane exchanging on fashion: “Nah, sweetheart, my boots ain't on the ground. That’s just a regular fedora” (33:39)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Juice Crew reminiscence: 02:46–04:15
• Lyricism’s roots to Rakim: 04:20–06:15
• Rakim “beef” and reconciliation: 06:25–09:48
• Beefs in hip-hop: 10:33–11:31
• Meeting Jay-Z and support: 12:30–15:55
• Ghostwriting in hip-hop: 15:55–16:56
• Discussing generational gaps: 24:03–26:25
• On Eminem’s authenticity and focus: 28:25–30:48
• Substance in rap and trend following: 31:26–34:45
• Fashion and hip-hop: 34:54–39:01
• Kane on Queen Latifah & women artists: 51:17–53:32
• Favorite eras of music (storytelling vs. sound): 67:05–68:35

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Episode Summary

This far-reaching episode captures Big Daddy Kane’s wisdom and good humor as he reflects on the highs and lows of hip-hop history—his own influential role, the lessons of past rap beefs, the importance of mentorship, the generational conversation, and the impact of authenticity. Whether recounting Madonna’s wildness, Jay-Z’s hungry beginnings, or the staying power of classic hip-hop, Kane blends story, philosophy, and passion.

This episode stands as both a celebration of hip-hop’s past and a hopeful vision for the next 50 years—rooted in lyricism, honesty, and mutual respect.

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Transcript

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[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Part two is underway. You were up close and personal with the rap beefs, because I. I and my 1987, we had an intramural basketball team. And the name of our team was the Juice Crew All Stars, featuring. Oh, my goodness.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Wow. I wish Mr. Magic was alive to hear that, man.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

And I'm gonna try. I would try to find. I would try to find that shirt, because that was the day with Juice Crew All Stars.

[Big Daddy Kane]

And.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

And I go. When I go back and look, bro, y' all were loaded.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah, y'. All.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Coogee Rap D.J. polo yourself.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Bismarck.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Bismarck.

[Big Daddy Kane]

MC Shandy Roxy.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yes.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah. Glamorous Deputy Master Ace. Craig G. Yeah. Tragedy. Yeah. How y'. All.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

How did all y' all come together?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Well, I mean, I would.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Cause that's kind of where you got your start, right?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah, I would credit that to Fly Ty and Molly, Ma.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Okay. You know, did you realize that you were a part of something special then?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Absolutely.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You did. You knew it.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Well, I mean, Mr. Magic was the official voice of hip hop radio.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know, like, he's the person that broke hip hop records, and I'm part of his crew.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right.

[Big Daddy Kane]

So I don't have to wait outside. Bls. Yeah. You know, this is a new joint. I'm part of the crew.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know what I'm saying? Right? Yeah. So I knew I was part of something special.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Lyricist. You mentioned 1986. Rakim thinking of a master plan, but ain't nothing but side my hand. So I. That song that took rap to another level. Because at that point in time, nobody had ever really sounded like him. I mean, he was very methodical. You could hear every. Every word he said you could hear. Wasn't no this now, Kane. I don't know what they.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I think that what Rakim did was brought lyricism back into the game. Because, you know, it's like, it was. To me, the most important emcee ever is Melly Mel.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know, because I feel like, you know, cats in the 70s was basically trying to either sound like DJ Hollywood, Eddie Chiba, or Love Bug Starsky.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Okay?

[Big Daddy Kane]

And Melly Mel is the one that presented lyricism. He started lyricism in the game.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Was it the message?

[Big Daddy Kane]

No, no, no, no.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Long before that. Yeah.

[Big Daddy Kane]

And it was like, you know, when he did that, I think it made people start really paying more. More attention to the mc, because back then, it was really all about the DJ Flash, Africa, Bamba. Yep. Cool. Hurt, you know, Breakout. It was about the dj. You know, I think Melly Mel gave the MC an identity because he put lyricism in it, you know, so it's like he created something that gave us an identity. But then as we started making records in 79 and stuff, you know, the records had more of a party feel, so the focus wasn't really on the lyricism. And then, like, when rakim come in 86, he brought it back to that.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yes. You know, but he felt that you rapped about a song. And I see leaders and I laugh. And he thought you was taking a shot at him.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Say what?

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah, I was. He thought you subliminally dissing him in a song by saying, I see leaders and I laugh.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Nah. What happened was he. What was the line? He had Word to Daddy.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

It was a diss song.

[Big Daddy Kane]

No, no, no. He had. I think it's Follow Leader. He had a song called Father and he said Word to Daddy. Indeed. I took it as a disk, you know, So I did write, you know, a line. But what happened was one night. Cause you gotta understand, Eric B. Brother was my road manager, right?

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Big Daddy Kane]

So, like, me and Eric, you know, were solid, you know. So this girl got in the car one night and she gave me a photo. And the photo said, dear Kane, I want to set it off and get R A W Ain't no half stepping because I'm going to break your raft in half. So when I saw it, because at the same time you talk about that, they were saying that Rakim had a song called Break the Raft in Half, dissing me.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Oh, okay.

[Big Daddy Kane]

So I gave the picture to Eric brother, and he's like, yo, what you mean by break the rap in half? And she like, oh, yeah, Eric got this here song. I mean, Eric and Rakim got this song called Break the Raff in Half trying to diss you. I heard it and he's like, you heard it? Yeah, he played it for me on Jamaica Avenue. And I'm sitting there crying, laughing. I'm crying, laughing. Like, every time I'm looking at Eric, brother, Ant, you know, we just start laughing, right? So finally, the girl, she looks at Ant, she's like, yo, why he keep looking at you and laughing? Saying, what, you work with Eric or something? And Ant was like, no, I live with him, bitch. That's my brother.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Wow.

[Big Daddy Kane]

And she said, well, you know how niggas talk. So Ant was like, yo, it's going too far, right? Y' all need to talk, right? Would you talk to him? I'M like, I don't care. So he called Rakim. Put him on the phone and. But Rakim, see you telling me new stuff. He never mentioned that line. When we talked on the phone, he asked me about saying. When I said, rap soloist, you don't want none of this, or setting it off. And I was like, no, no, no. I'm saying that I'm a rap soloist competition, don't want none of this, right? Because he had a song where he said, and you know that I'm the soloist, right? So I was clamming it up like, nah, nah. I said, I'm the rap soloist competition, don't want none of this. Anybody rhyme alone is a rap soloist, right? And he was like, oh, okay.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

And I'm not talking about anybody in particular.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah. I'm saying I'm rap. No, well, when I'm saying competition, whoever can get it, right, you know? But I'm saying.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

But that's what I'm saying. But you were saying. I'm not specifically talking about you, Rakim. No, I was talking about me, right?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I was calling myself a rap soloist, right? Not saying that. You a rap soloist. You don't want none of this. So he said, oh, okay. And I'm like, well, what about this? Word to daddy indeed, like, that sound. I mean, I'm Big Daddy Kane.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah, that sound like you coming from.

[Big Daddy Kane]

And he was like, nah. You know, other cats say, you know, word to mommy. In Long island, we say word to daddy. That's like, you know, that's our slang. I'm like, oh, okay, my bad. And that was that. That was the end of it. That was the end of it. Ever since then, we've been cool.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Why can't guys do that today?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You see how you just got. Hey. Picking up the phone? Cause everybody know everybody. If I don't know you personally, I know your manager, I know somebody close to you, then I can pick up the phone and say, man, look here, man, this is foolish. This is ridiculous, man. Let's talk this thing up. Hey, bro, check this out, man.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Well, that was a fortunate situation. Cause like I said, you know, me and Eric was cool, and his brother was my road manager. So his brother, you know, orchestrated it where, like, you know, let me get him.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

That thing could have went a lot of different ways had that not been the case, though, Kane. Cause you probably would have responded.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Well, yeah, I did. I mean, yeah, I had the line, but, you know, once we talked, I took it out and he told me that he had some stuff that, you know, he took out. So, you know, we was good.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right? This is mixed probably 50, 50 beefs. This. Are they good or are they bad for rap?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I think that they're bad for careers. I think they're good for MCs. I mean, I'm a battle rapper, so I love.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You know, you love that one on one. You love the back and forth because.

[Big Daddy Kane]

It keep you on your toes, right? Oh, he said what? Oh, you know, as an emcee, it keep you on your toes.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Career wise, it can be career ending and it can cause someone's death or, you know, someone seriously getting hurt because the fans can take it too far.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

It's not the individuals, it's the people around the individual.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Sure, you're right.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

And now if we just gonna keep this thing on wax, I'm cool with it.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Long as it don't bleed into reality. Yeah, that's the problem that you have because we saw Jay Z and Nas battle it, and now they cool.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

I don't know if Biggie and Pac would have been cool.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I doubt that. I don't. I doubt that.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Cause sometimes you have a line, you go too far, you talk about. You talking about that, man wife.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I'm not gonna get into that. But, yeah, I doubt. I doubt if they can resolve that.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Let me ask you this. Can. Can Drake and Kendrick come back?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I think so. I think so. I think so. I mean, I know. I know some. Some crazy things was. Well, there were some crazy allegations, but, you know, on both sides. Yeah, but I mean, if none were proven, then you can get. I think you can get past it.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Move past it.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

How'd you meet Hov?

[Big Daddy Kane]

There were these guys in Queens called the Shirt Kings, and one of them, they made spray paint shirts. And one of them asked me about doing a mixtape with Jazz O. And I was like, all right. Yeah, we do it. So we went to Brooklyn to my man Fresh Gordon crib. He's supposed to be doing this mixtape. And then Jazz O was like, yo, can my man rhyme on the tape, too? And that was Jay Z. So we did.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

How old was he at this time?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how old he was. I mean, because I think Jay is like a year and a half younger than me. So, I mean, I don't know. Could have been 20, 19, I don't know. But he asked, could his man rhyme on the tape? And I was like, yeah. So we did the Tape. And then when we riding back to my crib, my man Nike from the Shirt Kings, he's like, yo, we really wanted you to do this because we want you to help, you know, to get Jazz another deal. And, you know, I was like, honestly, I kind of like the light skinned dude better. Is it okay if I work with him? You know, and that's how, you know, we connected, right? You know, and we started, you know, working on stuff. We was working on music and, you know, I was shopping his music, you know, the different labels and things of that nature. And then I ended up doing the Feels like another one with Patti LaBelle.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right.

[Big Daddy Kane]

And while we were on tour, you know, I'm noticing that Patty is doing outfit changes. So I'm like, I'm fascinated. And I'm like, oh, nobody in hip hop doing this. Oh, I can't wait to get back out on the road. So when I finished the tour with Patty and went back out on my tour, I grabbed Jay Z and another rapper by the name of Positive K. You know, he had a big song called yeah, I got a Man. Yeah, so I grabbed both of them and brought them on the road.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

What your man got to do with me?

[Big Daddy Kane]

So you right, Yeah, I brought them both on the road with me and like, I would let them come out and perform in the middle of my show while I do outfit changes. Okay, so him and Jay Z would be on stage rapping. Yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Did you know when you heard this 1920, 21 year old HOV rapping, did you ever think he'd become this?

[Big Daddy Kane]

No. No. I mean, it's crazy because see, there's one thing about Jay that I didn't really understand until much later. Cause Paz would be in the room or in the studio and very much involved. Sauce Money would be in the room or in the studio. Very much involved. Jay would always be quiet.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yes, that's the story everybody tells.

[Big Daddy Kane]

So it was the type of thing where I'm like, you know, you gotta. You know, you make your presence felt. You gotta. So I didn't see it, but what I didn't understand was that Jay was being quiet for a reason. Jay studies everything. Like years later, I started thinking about all types of stuff. Numerous nights when he would point out something I did on stage, mention it. Oh, yeah, you real funny dude. The way you did such and such. He noticed everything. So he was sitting there studying, you know, and I think that that attribute, you know, to his greatness.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Writing. It's funny that, you know, you said that real emcees write their own verse. But some of the great songs that's been recorded by an emcee. Oh, well, I guess they can't call them an MC if you don't write. Has been written by someone else.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah, there's a lot of, you know, great songs that were written by other people. But I mean, that's normal in the.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Music industry, you know, not when you. Not when you were coming up. Did you guys.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Well, I mean, I wrote most of Biz Markey first album.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know, I mean, I've written for other people. You know, there were artists. Yeah, there were artists, you know, that wrote big songs for other people.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right.

[Big Daddy Kane]

But it was, you know, really ghost writing. Real, real ghost writing.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know what I'm saying? Like, you're not really a ghostwriter. If you wrote a song to somebody and tell you tell them about it.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

That I wrote that, bro. That's not a ghost. A ghost is supposed to be something that you can't see you telling me.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah, so it happened back then, but I mean, now it's standard practice.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Why do you think Jay got turned down by so many labels?

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know, what if I sat and told you some of the stuff that people said to me when I played they demo, you know.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

What did he say?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I mean, I'm not gonna go into. Because I don't want nobody running with it, you know what I'm saying? Turning into nothing negative, man. But I mean, the stuff that people said. But I'm gonna say this, Shannon, I'm gonna say this. I'm glad. I'm glad they turned him down for the simple fact that at that point in time, that's when Jay Z was doing that. That real fast rapping stuff. Yeah, that was a fad in hip hop and it didn't last long, you know what I'm saying? So had he came out doing that, he may have been successful for a year or two, right. And then he would have faded out with that style. He came out the right time, talking about the right stuff, doing the right thing, and he ended up having amazing stay power. So I'm glad I couldn't get him a deal. I think that what he did years later with Dame Dash and Irv Gotti and whoever else, that's what was supposed to happen. And I'm so happy for him to see him be successful.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Nas, you have a lot of respect for Nas and he's another great lyricist that explains things and can talk.

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[Shannon (Interviewer)]

What's your favorite Nas story?

[Big Daddy Kane]

My favorite Nas story would be probably when we first met, we was at Unique studio and I told him how much I love Illmatic and he asked me, well, what do you think is wrong with it? I'm like, nothing. I'm like, you know how people be saying this a five mic album, This a lot of times, nah, it might be a four mic, might be a four and a half mic, but you got a five mic album. The album is amazing. I don't think anything is wrong with it. But he wouldn't let it go. He would not let it go. He just kept. But I'm saying like, what do you think I should have did different? I'm like, I don't think you should have did anything different. I think it's what would you have done different? I'm like, I mean me, I would have probably had one song on there for the ladies at least, right? But you, not me, right? You did what you supposed to do and it's amazing, you know, But I mean it was just, it was like, yo, won't just let it go and be great, man, leave it alone man. This album is amazing, right? You don't. There's nothing you should have did different.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

I think the fact that he has so much respect for you and to hear you say that and it's like, let me just make sure he ain't just saying that cause I'm standing here in front of him. Let me try it a different way. Okay? The album was good. You say it's five mics.

[Big Daddy Kane]

No, I didn't say it was good, I said it was great.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah, five mics.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Uh huh.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

But if you woulda done it, okay, you woulda did. Oh, so you said My next album, I should have one song for the ladies.

[Big Daddy Kane]

He had Eric B. Call me. I think maybe a year or two later, he had Eric B. Call me. I was at a car dealership and he had Eric B. Call me. And he like, yo, Nas won't holler at you. He puts them on. He's like, yo, I did one for the. You heard the Owe me back.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

I did one for the Lakers.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I'm excited about it. But I mean, it was like, you know, yo, Illmatic is a masterpiece.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yes.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know, that's like one of my favorite hip hop albums of all time.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

This is just not in the rap industry. This is in almost every industry. Do you feel this younger generation give the older generation the respect, like Nas and Jay Z? Like, they respect you and you respect the others? Do you feel this younger draft generation gives the adequate, adequate respect to the older generation?

[Big Daddy Kane]

No, not at all. But I mean, you know, I don't, I don't. I don't blame them. You know, it's. It's. It's what they're taught, you know, like the word irrelevant carries a lot of weight in the music industry today. It's a word that's thrown around on social media a whole lot. So it's been instilled in the younger generation head. So I don't blame the young kids. I just think that we have to figure out a way to bridge the gap. Because I would love to see, even if it's not my generation, even if it's the Eminem, Kanye generation, artists from that era talking with these young cats, giving them game. Don't do this, don't do that, watch out for that. Don't sign something that says, you know, I would love to see that, you know, to try to help them, you know, but no, the respect is not there because it's like, you know, it's things that's instilled in the younger generation mind.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

What's Cain's responsibility to this younger generation?

[Big Daddy Kane]

My responsibility is to try to educate them. I have a documentary or, excuse me, docu series called Paragraphs I Manifest. It's talking about the importance of lyricism in hip hop and the reason why I really wanted to do this so the younger generation can see how important lyrics are. To see how when you focus on the lyrics, your song can have stay power and touch someone's heart. Your song can last for years upon years because of the way this person felt about what you said. And it's called Paragraphs I Manifest. It features J. Cole, Snoop Dogg, Jay Z, MC Light, Lady London, Eminem, Common, several, You know. Yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Travis Scott recently went viral. He said, I swear the O ends kill me, know my Y ends, feel me talking about Pusha T. What are your thoughts on that line? Because. And I hate it. I don't. I've never had a. I've never had a problem came because I understand where I am today. There had to be people before me to stand in these various shoes that wasn't as prosperous, that didn't get the attention, that didn't get the notoriety, that didn't make the money that I make. And so it's my job to pay homage for those that happen to be born at a time in which the money wasn't what it is. So I never had problem giving people credit. Never, never. I think these young guys, I mean, for whatever reasons. Yeah, that irrelevant. But the question is, 40 years from now, will you still be relevant? Because at one point in time, I stood in your shoes and I don't think people realize that I got a T shirt that says I'm the age that I used to think was old.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Can I remix your statement?

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Go ahead.

[Big Daddy Kane]

10 years from now, will you still be relevant?

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

10, wow. We don't need 40, we need a decade.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah. Yeah. Cause the lifespan today of an artist is usually about eight months.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Wow.

[Big Daddy Kane]

So.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

So I guess you better get everything you can in those eight months. Cause you don't, you're not promised another eight months.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Exactly.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Wow. Another young rapper that's always giving you respect is Eminem. He's an anomaly. He's to rap what Tiger woods was to golf. He came in and his wordplay, his cadence, all that. But he's one of these guys that's never had a problem showing the older generation respect.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Eminem is a student of the game. He is an amazing student of the game. In without trying to tell too much, in my documentary, he pointed out something that I did that I never paid attention to.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Wow.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Like after the interview, I went back and started listening to all artist, you know, before me to see if someone else did this. Because he was pointing out that I'm the first person he ever heard do this. And I'm like, it had to been someone before me. Like, he's the. A student of the game.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

That way he that deep in it.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah. But you know, I'mma tell you, man, Em is an amazing artist. Super talented, super lyrical. But I think the thing I think is so dope about Eminem is like, you know, when hip hop began, you know, this was. We Talking about a New York thing, right? Yeah. Okay. All of a sudden you got NWA talking about Straight Outta Compton. Yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Now it's on the West Coast.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You hearing about a West coast hood, you know what I'm saying? That ain't our hood. We know we don't do that in New York. But when you hearing about the Low Riders and all this. But you're learning about the hood in the West Coast, Correct. Got the ghetto boys talking about the wards and whatnot. Now you hearing about the Texas. The hood in Texas, you know, ATL they talking about. I mean, Lil Wayne, Master P talking about New Orleans. It's like you hearing about these hoods in all these different regions, right. Eminem talked about his hood, talked about 8 mile, but he not talking about, you know, the projects in Detroit. He talking about trailer park stuff. He talking about white hood shit.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yep. You know what I'm saying? Yep.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I thought that that was just so dope, you know what I'm saying? Because this is white ghetto stuff, you know what I'm saying, that we're learning about now. I'm like, yo, this is so dope. And I respect him for that because he wasn't trying to pretend to be something he wasn't. He talked about his hood. Hood, you know what I'm saying?

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Where he grew up at, his life experiences.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah. So, I mean, I have a lot of respect for em, man.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

What did em get right that Vanilla Ice got wrong?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I think that last part I said, but I mean, hey, man, you know, Vanilla Ice, you know, he. For that song, man, hey, yeah, he became very successful. He had a, you know, a mega hit. I mean, this dude had a movie, you know. You know. You know, he had, you know, one hit and they, they, they, they. Dude had a movie. I mean, so he did his thing, man. So salute to Vanilla Ice, man.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Hip hop. Is hip hop dying?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Is hip hop dying? I don't think the hip hop is dying. Because what you gotta understand is that when hip hop first started, it was nothing but block parties. Wasn't on wax.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yes.

[Big Daddy Kane]

It was just block parties. So looking at what's going on right now, when they have those type of hip hop festivals or intimate hip hop events, you know, you hearing that classic material, you know, that, that, that, you know, that defines what hip hop is really about.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right?

[Big Daddy Kane]

So I don't know, maybe I don't think it's dying. Maybe it's going back to where it's supposed to be.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right. You know, what is the substance? Because you talked about, like, how M spoke about things that he experienced. He wasn't trying to be somebody else.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

He talked about the trailer parks. That's where he grew up. That's what he knew. That's what he experienced. He talked about his mother's situation. He talked about things that would. It seems like now the substance is that the hot thing is. Let's talk about this. Even though I haven't experienced it.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Oh, you say even though I haven't experienced it.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

No, I'm saying that's what the rap is now. Yeah. A lot of rappers are rapping about the pro. You not no gangster.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

In the studio. Your ears. But you are, but not in reality.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah, but I mean, you know, we live in, you know, a social media world, so it's like whatever's trending, Whatever topic. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Whatever's trending. That's, you know, like, I was leaving. I was at. I can't remember where I was. I was Vegas, wherever I was, I had my fedora case with me. Yeah. I'm checking it at the airport, and the lady at the airport talking, oh, okay. You got your cowboy hat. You got your boots and your luggage. I'm like, nah, sweetheart, my boots ain't on the ground. That's just a regular fedora. It's not a cowboy hat.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right.

[Big Daddy Kane]

But, you know, that's what's trending. You know what I'm saying? Right now. That's what's trending. So everybody and their mom are coming out to the concert with cowboy boots.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Cowboy boots and a hat.

[Big Daddy Kane]

And a hat. You know what I'm saying? It's whatever's trending. Yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Drake calls the stir. He said UK rappers are better than USA rappers lyrically. I'm just saying, like, Kane, see you looking at me, man.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I ain't got no. Oh, you wanted me to respond.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah, yeah. I ain't got but one head, man.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I ain't got but one head.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You looking at me like I had three heads. He said that.

[Big Daddy Kane]

All right. I feel that with the amount of success that Drake has had in this game, he's entitled to his opinion. You know, in fact, I'm sorry. I think that everything. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. You know, that's the beautiful thing about an opinion. Everyone can have one. Whether I agree or disagree. You agree or disagree. Everybody's entitled to have an opinion.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Correct.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know, but I mean, if that's what Drake feel. Hey, man, go ahead, homie.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You were a trendsetter because you had the high top.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Fade.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You dressed, you had the rags on. How did you determine what was your Persona gonna be on the stage?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Well, like, as I was saying earlier, you know, like, you see like the pimps and the hustlers pull up and the deuces. I saw how all the other kids in the neighborhood gravitated to that. That was a look, you know what I'm saying? And then my pops was a fancy dresser, okay? My pops wore three four piece suits, you know, Persian lamb coats, you know, the duster, that's the four piece.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah, Okay.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I saw you. I was like, yeah. I was like, yeah, yeah. Nah, the pants, the vest, blazer and the duster, okay? That's the four piece. But, you know, I saw. You know, this is what I saw. Like, for example, I did Arsenio hall, and they had built the whole set with garbage cans and graffiti and all this stuff. And I had them tear down and I told them to put me some of that sexy shit back up. Like how you had it when I was here with Quincy, Right. You know, it wasn't because I was against graffiti or the street. It was because it's like me as a kid, I'm used to seeing the pimps and the hustlers pull up with fur coats on, that type of stuff. And when we went to block parties, we put on the alpaca sweaters, the mock necks, the British walker shoes. We wanted to look fly, you know what I'm saying? I mean, I didn't actually see Breakdancing until the movie Wild Style came out.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Wow.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I mean, like, I mean, actually on the street, right? You know what I'm saying? I didn't actually, you know, see it. You know, so it was like, I'm like, that's not the background that I'm affiliate. It's hip hop, right? It's hip hop. It's, you know, one of the graffiti is one of the elements of hip hop. But I mean, it's like that's not what we did on Lewis Avenue where I came from, right? So I wanted to represent my hood. You understand? Yep.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Fashion today. What do you like or dislike about what you see today? Cause, you know, LL was in a sweatsuit, had his shirt off. He had, you know, had a tracksuit on, Take his shirt off. Big gold chain. Run dmc had the Adidas outfit. The shell toes, fat shoestrings. It all depends. Are you. I mean, are you still. You still. Well, yeah, I'm sure. I mean, look how you come today. You come with a white pants, red sweater, you know, AOB kicks. So you still a fashion icon. You still into fashion like that, right?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I do.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Do you like the way fashion is headed? You see kind of where it's going.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Now I'm gonna say this. I feel that we as the black youth were trendsetters. We were trendsetters, you know, and not just the artists. Shout out to Dapper Dan.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yep.

[Big Daddy Kane]

April Walker, Carl Kanai, you know, we were on the Shabazz Brothers, you know, we were all trendsetters. And I think that now I see a lot of younger cats catering to, you know, what's popular or fashion Week as opposed to your own creativity.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Correct.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know what I'm saying? Taking those, those hood elements and mixing them together, making them look fly. Especially if you are a rich artist.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Because you can take it to the whole next, a whole nother level because you got the money to do so, to become that trendsetter. You know, when Dapper Dan took the job at Gucci, you know, all he had to do was just remake the stuff he was making in the 80s.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know what I'm saying? That Gucci never made.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You see what I'm saying? So I mean, it's like, you know, I feel like you have that power to just grab those street elements, that stuff that, you know, look hood, sexy.

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[Big Daddy Kane]

Bring it together and create a look.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

How do you become a ladies man?

[Big Daddy Kane]

The hell have I no Shannon, I just rolled with it, man.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah, I know you rolled with it cause you had two shows at the Apollo that sold out for women only.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yes sir.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

I only know two other artists. Only one other artist that I know of. Teddy Pendergrass used to have women only.

[Big Daddy Kane]

That's where we got the idea from. It was an idea from lady that worked at Warner Brothers Ife, Kiara.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

And.

[Big Daddy Kane]

We, yeah, we decided to do two shows at the Apollo for ladies only because she she broke it down. Cause she went to the Teddy show. So she was like. So she was like, well, you know, he had teddy bears in every seat that said, you know, hug on Teddy. So I was like, okay, we gotta flip that. Put candy canes in every seat and let it say suck on cane. That's, you know, that's. That's what we did, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

I. I remember his documentary where he was. He. They were telling the story. He was telling that story, part of it. And then, man, do you think. I mean, think about it. Kane. A rapper sold out shows, women only. A rapper, two sold out shows, women only. Is that possible today?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Drake.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You think Drake could do it?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. But you were the first. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rap wise. Yeah, I was the first. But I mean, Drake, Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know. You know, dude has a massive crowd. He has so many hits for the ladies.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yes.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Drake could do it.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

How do you even get into modeling?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I can't remember whether it was April Walker or. Oh, man. I can't remember who it was who asked me to wear their stuff on the Runway. And, like, I was in my zone. I was in my. And honestly, I was nervous because I know how my bop walk is. Yeah, I know. And I didn't want to do that on the Runway. And what I did. Cause I remember when I told them afterwards, they was cracking up, laughing. I was like. The whole time, even though the house music stuff was playing or whatever was playing, the whole time, I was humming the bass line to Richard Pryor, which way is up? While I was walking, that's what I was humming in my head so that I'd walk straight, you know? Yeah. And that. Wow. Yeah. Anytime I was on the Runway, that's what I would do.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

But you was also offered an opportunity to be in Playgirl.

[Big Daddy Kane]

No, no, no.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You took it.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah, we went for it, Caitlin. We went for it. It started as a joke, right? The publicist from Warner Brothers, Gene Shelton, he had just got me an Essence magazine, and he was like, man, Youngblood, I've done so many things for you and your rap career that I never thought I could do for no rap artists, man. You know, like, I'm having so much fun working with you. Like, we done. We done been in Jet magazine. We done been. You know, we done did everything. Yeah. You know, he's like, ain't nothing left. You know, I was like. And I just made a joke. I was like, unless it's like, Playboy magazine, he's like, you mean Playgirl? I'm like, yeah, yeah, Playgirl. Let's go do something like that. And we laughed, and then we looked at each other.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You weren't laughing no more. You was dead. You were dead ass.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Shit. Let's do it, you know? Yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Madonna asked you to pose for a sex book?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah. Warner Brothers sent us on a promotional tour. Okay. Myself, Madonna, Color me bad. And we were, like, going to, like, you know, upscale hospitals, you know. You know, like, the patients in there were like, you know, young white kids. They didn't really know who I was, right? And, you know, Madonna's sitting there talking. You know who that is? That's Big Daddy Kane. He's a famous rapper here. Let me hear you say, ain't no half star. And I'm like, madonna know my shit.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Wow. I'm bugging, right? So afterwards, we outside, and I'm like, hey, thank you so much, you know, for acknowledging me. I appreciate that. And she was like, no, my pleasure. She was like, listen, I'm doing a book. It's just photographs. Not, you know, talking, just photographs. I would love to have you involved. I would, like. I would be honored. And she was like, but his, you know, probably gonna be real racy. Like, nude photos. I like shit.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Even better.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Let's do it.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Even better.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah, but let me tell you how real Madonna was, man. I mean, it was the, like, the day started off so much fun where I'm like, okay, yeah, this the place to be. This is cool. Okay. When I got to the set, Madonna comes running across the room. Butt, ass naked. Kane, so glad you made it. Let me tell you. I was just standing outside in the middle of the street in between the divider, just like this. No clothes on, with my thumb out, taking photos. But not one single car stopped. Can you believe that? Fucking Madonna. Nobody stopped for me. I'm like, oh, yeah, this is gonna be an amazing day, right? I'm like, this day gonna be amazing, right? Cause she on 10 already. I'm like, yo, yeah, she wild already. I'm like, yeah, this gonna be fun.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Do you believe there's a rapper today that could do Playgirl or do a sex book? Photos like what Madonna did.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I think that there's rappers today that's coming from doing that to become a rapper.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Movies, brown sugar. You also equalize with Queen Latifah. Is that something you wish you had of partaking in more?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah, yeah. I wish I would have stayed, you know, focused on that and, you know, continued pursuing, you know, my film Career, I think that could have. I could have done a whole lot more. Had a much bigger impact. But I mean, you know, hey, man, you know, it ain't too late, you know, I mean, you know, look how you know where age Morgan Freeman was when he made his bones, so, you know, it ain't too late.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

It's not. Cause I remember he was easy reader in Electric Company.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

That's what I do. And then the next day, you know, I get older, he in the movie. I'm like, hold on. That's easy reader.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah. But I mean, right now, at this hit point, I probably would more focus on, you know, my son, you know, his film career, because I truly believe that he's more of a natural than I am.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right.

[Big Daddy Kane]

He just got it. Yeah. Okay.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You was in Dave Chappelle's Block Party. What was that experience like?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I mean, to actually see Dave Chappelle in his element?

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I mean, when I saw the movie, I was upset about so much funny stuff that didn't make the movie. Crazy stuff I heard him say, you know, while we were there, you know, filming. But it was great to be a part of it because Dave Chappelle is that dude right now.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

He is.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I think he is, you know, the best comedian of today. And he's such a hip hop fan. And knowledgeable.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know what I'm saying? Yes, Knowledgeable. He knows. He know the history. So, you know, I have nothing but the utmost respect for him and I thank him so much for, you know, including me in that.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Your song was featured in Grand Theft Auto San Andreas. I mean, when you hear your music and things like that, how does that make you feel?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I mean, it's amazing because you gotta understand, these are kids.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yes.

[Big Daddy Kane]

And it's like you're saying, this is Big Daddy Kane. And it's like, ooh. And then they find they hear warming up Kane, and then that. That's you. Oh, I know that from grand theft, you know, so you know what I'm saying? It gives me that feeling of my girl. Yeah. There's children today that know my girl from top to bottom, but don't know the temptations.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Correct.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Women rappers. I mean, you. You, the exception. You mentioned Roxanne Shantae. Give me. Give me your. Give me your five. I mean, there's a great one. They're not. And you know, you probably gonna tick some people off because you have. When you say five of anything, that means you leave something off. Give Me, your five women's rappers.

[Big Daddy Kane]

That's why I'm not gonna give you my five. But I will say that some of my favorites I'm gonna try to go from then till now would be Shy Rock, Debbie D, Roxanne, Shantae, Salt N Pepa, Queen Latifah, MC Light Eve, Foxy Kim, lady of Rage. Lady of Rage.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

If we got it.

[Big Daddy Kane]

If you call Lauryn Hill a rapper, I like to. Because she's a monster with the bars.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yes, yes.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I'd say Lauryn Hill, Lady London, Lola Brook. I'm probably forgetting a few, but.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah, who this said? I, I forget who said it. That he believes female rappers are becoming over sexualized.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Well, I mean, it, it's like, you know, that's what they, they, they, they did to them back in the days, you know, saying, trying to force them, you know, to, to be sexy. That's, that's one of the main things that, you know, I've always respected about Queen Latifah. Right. You know, she was like, I'm gonna keep it Afrocentric and I'm gonna be the queen. I'm not putting that type shit on, you know, I'm, I'm, you know, that's something about Queen Latifah I've always respected.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yes.

[Big Daddy Kane]

She did it her way.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Queen has always been the queen. I mean, you meet, I mean, when you meet her behind the scenes in front, she the queen. Yeah, bro, I need to know. We. You got me in North Carolina. You from Brooklyn, New York. There could not be anything more different then Brooklyn, New York, then North Carolina.

[Big Daddy Kane]

How? Why? Well, you know, yeah, I'm from Brooklyn, Bed Stuy, Brooklyn. But I hadn't lived there since 1987.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Really?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah. I mean, I said the same thing that Biggie said when I first made a record. I ain't never leaving the hood. But then I realized that I had to.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You had to.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know what I'm saying? I felt like I wanted to be here with my people. You know what I'm saying? We gonna walk this walk together. But then I realized that, you know, your people start looking at you differently. Differently. So, you know, I hadn't lived and in the hood since 87. I moved to Jamaica Estates in Queens. Okay. So I was in kind of like a suburban area almost. And I had a lot of friends in Long island that lived in the real, real suburbs, you know what I'm saying? So when I came down here in the 90s and did a show, because my family is from South Carolina. Okay, you Know what I'm saying? You know, dirt roads and stuff like that. You know, people don't know you and walk up and be like, what your name is, you know what I'm saying? That's where, you know, where I spent my summers in South Carolina. So when I came to North Carolina and sorted, Nah, this ain't country, you know, this laid back. It looked just like Long Island.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Raised a family.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I was like, I could actually live here.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right?

[Big Daddy Kane]

And I did it. Wow.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

When you were growing up, did you want to do anything else other than music? Did you want to play sports? Did you think that basketball or any, like, a sport was going to be your avenue out of the hood?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I played basketball in the seventh grade, but, you know, I got. I got, you know, kicked off the team and out to school, so.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

What the hell you do, Kane?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I did something bad.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

How you tell your mom? How you tell your mom you got kicked out of school? You go home and tell your mom or your grandma or your parents? How you tell them I ain't gonna be able to go to school tomorrow? I don't know when I'm gonna be.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Able to go to school again. Nah, I, you know, I. I explained, you know, what I was upset about, and, you know, she understood where I was coming from. But it was like, you know, like, you still shouldn't have did that. You should. Still shouldn't handle it that way, Right? You should have just, you know, so, you know, it was what it was. And we ended up going to a different school. And by time, you know, I got to, like, like, finish eighth grade, I wanted to be an emcee.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

So sports didn't matter anymore.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah, because, see, like I said when I said, like, in the 70s, when I saw Master D, I wanted to be a dj, right? So that's how I started. I was like DJ Sir Romeo. And someone broke in my grandmother crib, stole my turntables.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Well, you're not a DJ anymore.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah, so I became, you know, Tony T. Okay. Yeah. Glad I left that name alone. Right. I became, Yeah, I became Tony T. And, you know, then when I became MC Kane, you know, that's when I started, you know, really, like, like, focusing, you know, honing on the craft of that, you know? But I mean, so I. I wasn't really thinking about basketball anymore.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

So you're a Knicks or Hornets fan now?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Knicks. Come on, man.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

I mean, you.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You. I come from where.

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[Big Daddy Kane]

Come and drop 55 on the Knicks. He gotta leave with a 34D on his eye. That's where I come from. You know, I come from Oakley. Anthony Mason.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Patrick Ewing.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Come on, man. Charleston. That legacy alone. Yeah, that legacy alone. Gotta love the Knicks, man. Regardless of who come afterwards, just for what they. They was gangsters.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

So you a Giants or a Jets fan?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I don't watch football.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You don't watch. You don't watch football, Kane?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Nah, man. No disrespect. Bowser? Nah. Can I just expl? Yeah. All right. And again, no disrespect, but it was like, I couldn't wait to go to a Super bowl party. Cause I'm always hearing about them, right? So finally I go. And we sitting there, finally gonna watch a football game. We watching. And the cameras zoomed in on the dude ass in spandex. And all sudden, a play happens, and everything happened in, like, five seconds. It's over. Back to the dude ass in spandex. I'm like. And this is what y' all watch all day. I'm like, I can't do it. I'm good.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

I'm out.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah. I just couldn't do it. I just couldn't do it. Yeah. I just couldn't do it. I didn't. Cause you, like, with basketball, you see them running up, you're up and down.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know, the court, you know, even, like, hockey, you know, it was like. I just felt like, nah, I can't watch this.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah. You use a lot of boxing references in your songs. You boxing? Clearly, you gotta be a boxing fan.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I guess it's that that's my favorite sport.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

That's your favorite sport?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Who's your favorite boxer?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Ali. Like, that's how I used a lot of Ali stuff, to win battles. Cause, you know, you go on somebody else's turf.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yes.

[Big Daddy Kane]

So already, like, when I go there, I wanna make him uncomfortable on his own turf. Or I want to make his boys be into me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I want his boys to, like, be like, you know. To like what I'm saying, you know?

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Cause, you Know, they there to boo me anyway, right? Because they would with this guy, you know.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You got canelo or you got Buddy?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I want to say, I want to say bud, I, I, I, I can't really say until I, until I see the weight right. I can't really say until I see the weight right. But I mean, just awful. Like so far, what I've been putting together, right. I would say buddy. Wow, that's.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You were really close with Biz Beers passed away with type 2 diabetes. I think Irv Gotti had diabetes. And you become very, very health conscious. What, when, when did you start prioritizing your health? Because I mean, obviously, like I said, you were very close to being, I.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Mean, I was, you know, with that way, way, way prior, you know, like when I started like learning, you know, like what, how long beef stays in your system. You know, like that was like 87 when I stopped eating beef, you know.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Really?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

So you chicken, turkey, fish.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I stopped eating chick. I stopped eating poultry, period. In 89. Just pescatarian.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

So you pescatari. Okay, so you pescatarian. You was pescatarian before it was even in vogue. I mean, now, you know, you pescatarian, you vegan or, you know, whatever the case may be.

[Big Daddy Kane]

But yeah, yeah, since 89. Yeah. Wow.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You were a member or you were in the 5%. What did you learn from your time in that?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I mean, you know, I still claim 5 percenter, you know, but I mean, it's like, I mean, well, first of all, knowledge yourself.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yes.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know what I'm saying? Understanding who you are as a black man and, you know, and, and your power, how much power you have, you know, and, you know, I mean, so that's, that's one of the main things. But then also, you know, how to, you know, try to deal inequality with others, you know what I'm saying? How to try to deal in equality and try to bring others up and teach the youth all that stuff you learn, you know, you know, from Islam. Oh, okay.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Thoughts on cancel culture. That, you know, you have a mistake, you have a slip up, and then that's the end of it.

[Big Daddy Kane]

I mean, I think that anybody is entitled to make mistakes. You know, the name of the game is do better.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yes. You know, don't make that same mistake twice.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah. You know, anybody is entitled to make mistake, you know, it's just do better. You made this mistake. What did you learn from it? You know what I'm saying? What did you learn from it? Don't make this mistake again. You Know what I'm saying? How you going to do better? How you going to improve on the relationship you destroyed? Or what you. The black crowd cloud that you created? How you gonna. What you gonna do to fix that?

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right?

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know what I'm saying? But anybody's entitled to make a mistake. And I'm saying, let me add one more thing to that. What's funny to me is that with that whole cancel culture thing.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

They'Ll do.

[Big Daddy Kane]

That to someone over the slightest little thing that they did wrong, and it'd be that one thing. But I know of a guy that do wrong things every day that everybody just sweep under the rug. So, I mean, you know, what the hell really is cancel culture True.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

What's your favorite era of music?

[Big Daddy Kane]

My favorite Arrow music. Oh, man, that one's hard. Shannon. It's like, I like the music better in the 70s, but the 60s had some hell of five stories, man. Like, oh, man, Smokey Robinson.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Well, 60s with Motown.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah, Smokey Robinson. But I mean, like, I'm just talking about the stories, like Smokey Robinson, Kris Kristofferson. There was some writers that were. Their pen was just goodness. Yeah. Like, what Was you thinking?

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

70S had some good music, too, though.

[Big Daddy Kane]

No, it's not for saying like music. And even, like, with the writing in the 70s, you had some, you know, some amazing people. Ashford and Simpson. Hell of a pen game.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

See, I like the big bands in the 70s. See, I like Cooling the Gang, Ohio Players, the Stylistic, the Bar Kays, Lakeside.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Okay, see, see, I'm just talking about the writing side now. The music side. Nah, the music side. I mean, yeah. Osley Brothers, He Wave. Yeah. Isaac Brothers, Heat Wave. Yeah. Cameo.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah, yeah. Cooling the Gang.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Cooling the Gang. Yeah, yeah. All that.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Who that? Casey and the Sunshine Band.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Casey and this.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

I mean, everything was bands back then, and they. And they could do it. I still, you know, I still like to go. I still, you know, occasionally, if I can catch them, you know, go see Ohio Players. I love. I love band. I want to catch. Excuse me. Cool in the Game. I want to catch the Ohio Players because they was the first group. I mean, all these songs, one word. Roller Coaster.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Skin Tight Fire, Firecracker. You know what I'm saying?

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

They didn't have all these. But that slow song.

[Big Daddy Kane]

They had Less Love. Nah, Less love. Yeah. It takes L and the O. Yeah, that was my joint.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

What are your thoughts on New York? Losing the crown is best rap city. You know, we got that now, atl. Hey, I'm just saying we got it now. We Got it.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Now, let's. Absolutely no. Absolutely no. I mean, you know, I think that, you know, hip hop is universal. And, you know, everybody, you know, deserved their shot. You know, I remember when the west coast had it, you know? Yeah. I mean, it's like this here. If it's entertaining, I'm there for it, right? I'm here for it, right? You know? Yeah. Like out of the South. I love listening to ceelo. I love listening to outkast. TI you know, I love TI. You know, Luda. Oh, man, Luda. Forget about it.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Love Luda.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Love Luda. You know, I mean, I've always. I'll tell you a funny story. I remember when Juvenile first came out with her.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Big Daddy Kane]

And the video came on Video Jukebox. And I'm, you know, in New York with, you know, a lot of my boys, you know, from the hood. And it came on, they like, yo, this is what hip hop is becoming. This here. This is what we got to listen to now. And I just turned my back. I turned my back and started doing some other stuff. Cause I like the record, you know what I'm saying?

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

I thought it was dope, right?

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know what I'm saying? I was like, I'm the only one that. I'm like, am I the only one to think this shit is hot? You know? Cause I'm sitting there, oh, you about to treat your nose hot. You know what I'm saying? I love that song, man. I loved it, you know?

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah, you mentioned. You said you like. Because when I ask you about the women you like, you named off about 10 or 12. You feel the same way about the guys. Like five of you. If I gave you five guys and say came for the next 10 years, you can only listen to five. Who you playing? You only got five guys. You only got five rappers, past or present, that you can listen to. Who you rocking, first of all?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Now you're getting real great at this. I love how you reworded that.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

We go get you down on something. You got five? You got five.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Well, I mean, you know, honestly, it may not be the five that I think are the greatest lyricists.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Right.

[Big Daddy Kane]

It might be the. If I had to, it would probably be the ones who I just like.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You like listening to. Correct.

[Big Daddy Kane]

You know what I'm saying? So, you know, we be talking about, you know, Chuck D, Slick Rick, Jay Z. I don't know. Chuck D, Slick Rick, Jay Z. I don't know. I don't know. Honestly, I don't know. Oh, I would say CeeLo and Chub Rock. Okay, but see, like I said, it may, you know, because it's like, I love ceelo voice, man. I love ceelo voice.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Big Daddy Kane]

And I love Chub Rock voice, you know?

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Have you ever met Chub Rock?

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

I have never met Chub Rock.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Do you know he talks like that in real life?

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Really?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah, he talks like that in real life. Like, my brother tripped out when the first time he heard Chub. Cause he's. We was in the studio, and Chubb just walked into the studio. He's like, yo, Kane, that's John Blaze, man. Who did that? Moby? Like, he talks like that in real life.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

I tell people the same thing about E40.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

E40 talks exactly like you hear him. That's how faulty talk.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Like, we met doing a movie together. And like, I'm sitting there staring at him like, yo, is he messing with me or. He really talk like this, man. Yeah.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You once said eminem is the Kobe of rap. Who's Mike? Who's LeBron?

[Big Daddy Kane]

I don't honestly don't know how to answer that, Shannon. I don't know how to answer that because I don't know what's the qualifications of a mic, what's of the quality qualifications of a LeBron? I don't know what the qualifications are of a Kobe when you're making a reference to rap. So I don't really know how to answer that one.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You still performing? And there was a situation where I think it was Bow Wow. I think it was Fat Joe. They had a couple at SeaWorld. Did you see that?

[Big Daddy Kane]

No, I heard about it. You. You.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You hop on the mic at SeaWorld.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Not now, not now, not now.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

I mean, they got a little check. They got a little check for you.

[Big Daddy Kane]

K. You know, I mean, I don't know, man. I'm just gonna say this, man. Fat Joe is a hip hop legend. Bow wow is a young hip hop legend. And both those guys did a lot for the game. Whatever decisions they make or decide to do, I respect them. You know.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

The next 50 years. I think rap just had its anniversary. 50 year anniversary. The next 50 years. What would you like to see for rap?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Rap? I would like to see young hip hop artists that focus on writing songs that impact their fan base life, and step on stage and be great performers, whether they got production behind them or not. You know, even if you don't have no LED lights, viral techniques and all that stuff, you still know how to rip that stage apart. Right?

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

You know, we're gonna wrap. Thank you for coming on club Shay Shay anything. You got a book, Just rhyming with biz. A documentary, Paragraphs. I manifest any new music? I heard you dropping your own wine and cooking show.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wine, yeah. Am Ontario, you know. Yeah, yeah, that. You know, the book, just rhyming with biz, talking about, you know, biz discovering me and. And getting me a record deal and all the madness we went through trying to get on, you know. And I told you about the documentary docu series rather, you know.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Yeah, right. Lyricist KRS1, Nas, Jtz, Rakim, Rza, Method Man, LL J. Cole, Kendrick Lamar, Lil Wayne, Big daddy Kane, Slick Rick. Will we ever cause krs1rakim, y' all were in the LLC. A lot of you guys were in the same era.

[Big Daddy Kane]

Same.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

It's kind of like if you'd had LeBron, Kobe, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Giannis Jokic. If you'd had the 10, you know, 10 and all of them in the same, same era. I mean, just think, you Jay Z, all you guys, J. Cole, Method, all your guys in the same era. You ever thought about that? What it would be like if, like, man, if, man, what would it be like if I was in this era with J. Cole and Kendrick Lamar and Lil Wayne? What would it be like if they were in my era with X, Y and Z? Have you ever thought of it like that?

[Big Daddy Kane]

Yeah, I mean, I could tell you what it been like, you know, I would have been on the sneaker, tongue with my legs.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Ah, you just throw you the job, man. Big daddy. Cade, Cade. Thank you, man, for joining the club Shakespeare, man.

[Big Daddy Kane]

We appreciate you.

[Shannon (Interviewer)]

Appreciate it, bro.

[Big Daddy Kane]

All my life been grinding all my life Sacrifice hustle, paid the price wanna slice, got to roll a dice that's why all my life I've been grinding all my life look, all my life, been grinding all my life Sacrifice hustle paid the price wanna slice, got to roll a dice that's why all my life I've been grinding all my life.

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