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Coco Jones
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Interviewer
Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway. How hard is it to like if you're a kid star, Obviously a lot of kids stars you want to transition, but sometimes people only see you as that and it's so hard to get out of that role and people only see you as that.
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Coco Jones
Right? Right, Right. Yeah. It's no joke for me. I always felt a little scared that people wouldn't feel like I've been through anything, you know? Cause I do. Even sometimes in my own extended family there's this like man, your family was da da da and you lived here and you did the Disney thing. You ain't ever been through anything. So I would feel nervous that people wouldn't believe me when I told my stories you know, or that I wasn't cool enough or been through enough to be able to say anything at all. But luckily my life did get real as I was making that transition. And I think I dealt a lot with real life things. Colorism and rejection and losing money and being on your own and all of those things are real. Wherever you from. Don't matter. Going through that is real. And so I did feel more validation in being able to say anything because I had been through it. I had. And it was tough and scary and I didn't know when it was gonna end.
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Interviewer
You know, I don't know if you've heard this, but the Bernie Mack show star Camille Winbush, she had to get on OnlyFans because she said the residuals from the show, it just wasn't enough to sustain moving forward as a kid, as a former kid actor, I mean, is that something that you. I mean, obviously you have, you were able to transition and do other things. You can sing, you're a full fledged star now. But how difficult is it for a kid to transition when they don't have all of a sudden now they don't have that steady stream of income coming in as they transition into an adulthood.
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Coco Jones
Yeah, the transition is no joke, I think, because things slow down and you're trying to figure out where you fit in. Especially in a world where most of the opportunities are written for people who do not look like you, then things are significantly slower. I think for me, I was always gonna just start a new career, you know, and if I had to do that and it would still be in the music category, but I don't know, like, maybe more on the label side, maybe more on the artist development side, maybe on the vocal teaching side. Like to me, I still wanted to be in that world. If I had to transition and I wasn't gonna be in front anymore, maybe I wasn't gonna be singing the songs, maybe I'd be writing em, but I would have to figure out how to live with that because I still get one life, so I can't live in despair the rest of my life. Yeah, that is crazy. And I do get that part about, you know, running out of money and not having residuals. You don't have any ownership when you're doing these roles and sometimes singing these songs. But I think for me, I was gonna figure out another way. And you would just have to start from ground zero. But people start from ground zero all the time. It doesn't matter if you 16, it doesn't matter if you 36, you know, people pivot, and you just gotta live your life and keep going.
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Interviewer
And a part of this, what I'm about to ask is you kind of touched on is like, kind of the advice that you would give someone as a child that's trying to pivot and go to that next phase of their life.
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Coco Jones
I would say, depending on how much you popped off, you might be, you.
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Interviewer
Know, might be straight home.
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Coco Jones
You might be, all right, so figure out how to manage your money so that it can grow for itself. But I think what I wish I would have done was to go to college and go that route. You know, do it on your computer and balance and then get a job and still do what you like. And so you're funding your dream. And. And also, if you want to be in this field, create your own opportunity. Like, I think of Issa Rae and Insecure and how she filmed that in her office on a camcorder, you know, or making my own songs and putting them on the Internet, writing songs on live, you know, and there's so many different ways to get yourself out there that just don't run out of money while you're doing it. Work a job while you're doing it. You know what I'm saying? Do your 9 to 5. What did that thing they say on TikTok and stuff? Like, my 5 to 9 before my 9 to 5 for the girl who's gonna be on fitness and working out and shit.
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Interviewer
Is it hard? Like, you're like, I should be a star, and then not, man, I don't be wanting to work, because if I work, that means I'm not a star, but I think I'm a star, so therefore I shouldn't have to work. And then you get it twisted.
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Coco Jones
Yes. That is the most humbling part of that journey when you get to that point where you're like, okay, I might have to. Well, at least for me, because I had felt like, dang, I had done so much, and I climbed so high and I was almost there. And now what? Now they gonna be like, aren't you that girl from Disney waiting my table? What you do?
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Interviewer
What you doing in here?
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Coco Jones
You know, working. I was thinking, I was like, maybe I'll put a wig on and just have a mask, because I'll be like, I'm just a germaphobe. Like, I was really thinking that because I didn't want my pride to be messed up if somebody saw me, like, what would I say? I would lie. I would say, I don't know what you're talking about.
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Interviewer
Really?
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Coco Jones
Yes.
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Interviewer
You would say, that's not you.
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Coco Jones
Sometimes I do that. Now they'd be like, are you Coco Jones? I'd be like, no, I'm Keke Palmer. Sorry. I'd be tired. Sometimes I'd be tired. But, yeah, that pride really would have had to be humbled down. But the other choice is go home. And I wasn't doing that.
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Interviewer
How tough is it to handle rejection? You don't get apart or things don't go your way to stay positive. Because this is. We can all pivot. But when you've invested so much time, so much energy, so much of your life has been invested in this, and then all of a sudden you're like, damn, I might just have to do that.
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Coco Jones
Yeah. The rejection is. I mean, you have to grieve for what you thought was gonna happen. And when dreams die, you must mourn for them. But I felt like at least I could live with knowing that I tried it and I went till the wheels fell off. I would have to just chalk it up to that, you know, I would given it everything I had. And then, you know, I want to be happy. So I would figure out something else to do that.
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Interviewer
You call your mom?
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Coco Jones
I talk to my mom every day. When I was unemployed, she was.
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Family Member
You wrote up your mom's phone bill.
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Coco Jones
She was taking all of this sadness. But one thing I love about my mom is that she never, ever made me feel like, yeah, girl, you can't do this anymore. Never. Was that said, it was always, you can pivot and be in this world. You can teach. You could go back to school for music, learn an instrument, you could compose. It was never, nah, I don't think you can do this anymore. With all of my family, every one of them, when somebody wouldn't pick up, I gotta call somebody else. My mom, dad, my siblings, everybody saw that tunnel of uncertainty that was years of my life and funding my own music videos. And now you running out of more money. But I wanted to make this song. Cause I believe in this song. It's just really, really scary. Really, really scary. But I'm gr. Cause if not for them, I feel like I wouldn't have had enough, you know, strength to keep going.
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Interviewer
Your mom has always been your biggest supporter, hadn't she?
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Coco Jones
Absolutely. Yeah.
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Interviewer
That's your rock. That's your foundational piece.
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Coco Jones
Yeah.
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Interviewer
I mean, no matter what, no matter what the good. The first person you call, no matter what.
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Coco Jones
Yeah.
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Interviewer
I won $30 million in the lottery.
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Family Member
Mom.
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Interviewer
Guess what?
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Coco Jones
No, for real. My Mom's gonna show me how to flip that. Hold on.
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Interviewer
You tried to flip 30 you got.
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Coco Jones
My mama is smart as hell. I'm like, girl, we all up. But yeah, no, my mom is definitely such a crucial piece that makes me who I am. And I think just like I had said about the singing and that part, she wanted that so bad when she was raised, you know, to just feel like encouraged, seen and supported in whatever she wanted to be. And so I think that is where she had to teach ourself how to do that for us.
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Interviewer
Right?
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Coco Jones
You know? Cause like, like I said about my dad, like, we don't know how to do these things if they weren't taught to us.
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Family Member
Correct.
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Coco Jones
Yeah. My mom has done a great job of working on herself and, and trying to be a more open and, and more, Less judgmental, you know. Cause I love my mama, but she's very religious, very Christian, very she. You know what I'm saying? So sometimes I'm like, girl, don't watch that video. Don't even listen to that song. Don't even listen to it. But yeah, she is definitely my safe place to land. For sure.
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Interviewer
How much are you like your mom? I mean, do people say, girl, you definitely your mama, child?
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Coco Jones
Yes, I definitely get that. I be getting that. I sound like my mom. Of course I look like my mom. My siblings say I'm just like my mom, but I don't know, I feel like me and my mom are very similar when it comes to work ethic and how we treat people and like what we want for ourselves, great things and goals and whatnot. Like that. But yeah, me and my mom have different things. Like, like I said, my mom very religiously rigid. So there's certain things I know she's not even gonna wanna hear that in the car, one curse word, I gotta turn it off.
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Interviewer
Right?
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Coco Jones
She's not trying to hear that. Like certain things I like, shows or whatever, things like that. She'd be like, what is that right? You know, she's not into that.
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Interviewer
You took an eight year hiatus?
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Coco Jones
The hiatus took me.
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Interviewer
Oh, that wasn't by choice.
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Coco Jones
Hell no. Would never ever do that unless I'm literally deciding to like be pregnant or something.
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Interviewer
Okay, we'll talk about that a little later. But, but let me ask you this. So eight years, that's a long time. That's a long time.
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Coco Jones
Yeah.
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Interviewer
Okay, one year go by, oh, this thing gonna happen. Oh, this thing about to jump off me.
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Coco Jones
I was in the party and I was like, we in the club, we taking shots. What's a shot? Another one.
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Interviewer
Two years.
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Coco Jones
Two years old. Three years, we still cute. And I'm sneaking into the club. I'm only 18. I'm in there now. I'm like, with the artists and celebrities. I'm like, whoa. I'm at they out, period. But I'm also like, I deserve to be. But I'm also like, okay, cool, cool, cool. Three years, it starts to get a little less funny. Okay, a little chuckle. Year four, I'm concerned. I'm concerned and I'm doing things that nobody's watching, nobody cares. It's so embarrassing. Like, ew. I'm seeing these covers on social media and, like, my engagement is so low. And I remembered when it was so high. And I'm doing movies where the budget was like 40 cents and it was. And hopefully nobody watches. I mean, it's okay, you know, it's part of my story. So they, you know, if you watch it, you watch it, that's great. But, yeah, I'm doing these things that just weren't, weren't.
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Interviewer
Wasn't catching.
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Coco Jones
They weren't catching and they weren't what I wanted. They weren't what I thought I could have, you know? And so I'm just, like, confused. Very confused. And then I'm like, also learning about love and learning about relationships, and nobody taught me these things. Honestly, I really was in this bubble of, this is what I want, this is all I focus on. I didn't even date until literally I was 18.
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Interviewer
That's what I was about to ask you. So you come out to LA and you move out to LA in 17. That's gonna be very interesting that you move to LA on your own. I wonder what your parents were thinking. Like, oh, no, what, L.A. why you gotta move so far away?
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Coco Jones
Nah, that wasn't what they thought at all. Because I had been coming back and forth to LA since I was 9, so we all knew and associated LA with where you go to work in that field, you know, so it was kind of just like, that's what we know. We know you're gonna do that, but it's very, very hard. And I think. I think my mom. I think my mom and dad were kind of in this. I don't know, maybe they was a little naive to think what was gonna happen, but we all needed to be a little bit naive, you know? I didn't wanna live in any possible negative reality. To me, I was like, once I go there, it's up. That's what I thought. And I think that's what I had to think. That delusion kind of helped me to keep going.
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Interviewer
So. Years 5, 6, 7, and 8. Why didn't you give up?
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Coco Jones
Why didn't I. Because I still had a little money in that. Because that rent check was still clearing, and because I wanted it so bad, man. I wanted it so bad. And until I had to leave. I wasn't going to leave until I had to. I mean, I literally downgraded where I lived. I had roommates again.
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Family Member
Uh.
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Interviewer
Oh.
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Coco Jones
I, like, didn't have them, and then I had them, and then I didn't. And then I got them again.
- [14:20]
Interviewer
And then, you know how y'all women are. Y'all who?
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Coco Jones
Well, actually, it's very, very interesting story.
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Interviewer
You had guy roommates. Did your mom know this?
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Coco Jones
No. Oh. It wasn't all guys, first of all. It was two girls and two guys. One of the girl. Yeah. So we had this big place, and everybody had, like, a room. And you know how I said I didn't want people to know, like, what I did? They were all white, respectful. Respectful. They didn't know me. They didn't know me at all. But then I started to pop off again, like, during the pandemic, and, like, my clips would go viral, so they'd be like, is that you? And I'd be like, mm, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I left shortly after that. But, yeah, so I just kept prolonging it, is what I'm saying. I was. I was doing whatever I needed to do to stay. I was in a. I also was just in a cloud of what's going on? I'm confused. I'm trying to numb this, but I'm not leaving.
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Family Member
Right.
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Coco Jones
It was really crazy times. I was in a crazy relationship, and I was just, like, prolonging the inevitable is what I was thinking in my mind.
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Interviewer
They say when we're at our lowest is when we find out the most about ourselves. What did Coco find out about herself during this period?
- [15:33]
Coco Jones
That money doesn't equal happiness. Oh, yeah. So I was in this relationship that basically, it was kind of like a manipulation situation. Like, oh, you want your music video to do this? Oh, okay. Well, da, da, da, da. Oh, okay. So what are we? Like, what are we, you know. Okay, yeah, I'll pay for that. If you. You know, it was kind of like. It was kind of like me on a string. Cause I.
- [15:59]
Interviewer
It was a quid pro quo. You do things for me, I do things for you.
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Coco Jones
Something very similar to that. And I was like, you know what? Maybe this is what Maybe this is life. Like, maybe this is the type of relationship that, you know, whatever, you know, you have money and you don't have happiness, whatever. And it just crashed so bad that I was like, I would rather be broke than ever need anybody to do anything ever for me again. I'm out. I'm out. And I had to like, literally unless cut myself. Cause there were so many strings in me tied to that person that I didn't even know were there, that I didn't even know where they were. It was, it was just crazy.
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Interviewer
But when you're like, how did, how did you, how did you cut the cord? Because you kind of, kind of needed it.
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Coco Jones
I know, bro. It was so. It was so hard at the time.
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Interviewer
Didn't say you'll be back.
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Coco Jones
Nah, he didn't say nothing like that. He was like, well, well, your music video is not gonna be funded. Good luck with that. I'm about to call them right now and tell them I'm not paying for that.
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Interviewer
What?
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Coco Jones
And I was like, okay, okay. It was like everything kind of had to crumble. And it was so embarrassing at the time because like the producers I had worked with on this one song, they were like helping me film the video. And then they were like, why did he just call us and say something about that? And I'm like, okay, here's the truth, you know, And I was just telling them what I was doing, what I was in and kind of like where my life was at at that time. And so, yeah, it was super humbling at the time, but that's what I learned. I was like, even if I ever get this money again, I'm gonna never, never equate it with happiness. With a healthy relationship with a healthy mind. Hell no.
- [17:42]
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- [18:18]
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Coco Jones
If I don't have it in myself, I don't need the money.
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Interviewer
How did you find. How did you find yourself again? How did you pull yourself out of.
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Coco Jones
That therapy at the time? So the one good thing about that relationship was that he used this therapist and I would hear what they were talking about and I'm like, what? And then I was like, who do you let tell you about yourself? I want to talk to her. And I remember I had my first therapy session and I was. I was breaking down crying because I had never been asked some of the questions that she asked me. And from there I was like, okay, I'm kind of in this trap situation, but I'm about to tell you everything. I don't know why, but I just told her everything. I felt like she couldn't tell anyone else.
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Interviewer
And theoretically she's not.
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Coco Jones
I mean, no, literally. And I googled that. I was like, you can lose a license. I'm gonna trust you, girl. But it's also the law. Yeah. So I just told her everything. And slowly by slowly, I was rebuilt. Cause I was at such a low state. I felt so powerless. I felt so stuck. I felt like I was in these chains and I couldn't leave because I wanted this music stuff so bad. And I was just gonna do what it took, you know, and my freaking rent and ugh. It was just so bad. It was so bad. I was so unhappy. But yeah, she helped me rebuild myself and also to shed these limiting beliefs. This is what I gotta do. Like, I would say, this is what I gotta do. You think I want to do this? You think I wanna sing that? You think I wanna do that? And so she'd be like, but why? Says who? And I literally couldn't answer. So, yeah. Yeah. Rebuilding slowly.
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Interviewer
When you saw the viral tweet asking what happened to Coco Jones, how did that make you feel? Like, Coco, I'm right here.
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Coco Jones
It was so embarrassed. I was so embarrassed at that time that I felt like I just kept getting hit. Hit with. Hit with embarrassment. And I remember that it made me really upset. I called my mom and I was like, this is what they're saying about me. I cannot believe this is what the world thinks about me. I'm a. Has been. I'm not even freaking 20 something.
- [21:43]
Interviewer
Wow.
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Coco Jones
How now what? And I remember my mom said, what do you got to lose? Like, literally, you're unemployed. So she was like, just tell them what happened. My mom not knowing how social media works at all, she's like, just tell them. I'm like, it's not my homegirl down the street. This is the Internet. She's like, well, tell them. Tell the Internet. And I ended up. That was my first time ever saying anything that didn't have to do with music that wasn't polished, that wasn't, you know.
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Interviewer
Yeah. Cause you would lie.
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Coco Jones
I would lie on what?
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Interviewer
I said you would lie.
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Coco Jones
Oh, I thought you said you would lie.
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Family Member
No, no, no. You wouldn't lie.
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Interviewer
No, no. You didn't pre record. It's like, so. It's almost like it's kind of hard.
- [22:17]
Coco Jones
I know. And I was so scared because I was like, ooh, I don't want to be blackballed. I don't know how this works. To tell the truth, I had never done anything like that. I was just like, if it ain't cute. You know what I'm saying?
- [22:26]
Interviewer
Right?
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Coco Jones
So. But honestly, so much came from that. So much of. Cause you know what's crazy? My homegirls would be like, you need to tell. You need to talk more. Like, your personality is so something, something, something. And I'd be like, girl, ain't nobody trying to hear me talk. I just need to sing. So it was just so validating, and it opened a lot of doors. The sound that I had in the video went viral on TikTok. And then I was like, what's TikTok? And then I started doing shit on TikTok. And then that popped off too.
- [22:49]
Interviewer
Was it a situation that you felt free after that? Cause you mentioned about these chains, you mentioned about these strings, you mentioned about, like being in bondage. And it felt like, it seems like to me, and I'm just outside looking in. I'm not your therapist, but once you did that, you felt like you were free.
- [23:06]
Coco Jones
I think what really made me free was what my therapist had said to me. This one time I was telling her what I can and can't do as a dark skinned black girl. And I'm like, they don't let you do that. Like, you can't do that. Or like, no, that's just not. That's not realistic for me. And she was like, is this really the world you're gonna live in? Like this world where you have all these limitations you didn't choose? Like, is this really what you're gonna do? Cause like, why wouldn't you just create your own world? Like, who said that? What rule is that? Where is that written? And it made me be like, I literally don't know. I really only act the way the world has taught me I should and shouldn't act. And that, to me was kind of that shift that made me, I would think, made my life change. And then, of course, telling that video and then that video and seeing people like, my personality, right? I was like, okay, so this is during the pandemic. I'm like, maybe they don't want me to sing anymore. Okay, I'll tell stories. So I started telling these stories on the Internet. I was like, I would just press record and afterwards I'd be like, what am I doing? I just told stories on the Internet. But it was working at the time. My engagement was back up. Then I'd throw a little song in there. And then the TikTok thing happened and I started doing the covers on TikTok that were like that if I was on this song, I would do my version of that. And slowly it just pivoted. And then I got acting management who had saw the video and they were like, we wanna work with you. And I was like, okay, I haven't had a acting job in like a year and a half. But sure. He was like, I just like your personality. And yeah, it just flew.
- [24:35]
Interviewer
Do y'all pay?
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Coco Jones
Do the acting manager?
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Interviewer
No, that's what I thought you would have asked. Y'all pay for this gig. Okay, yeah.
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Coco Jones
It doesn't work like that. They get commissioned. They're not paying for nothing. You do. Oh, I think. Let me find out. I'M tripping.
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Interviewer
But let me ask you this. Why do you think TV executives believe that darkest complected women aren't marketable?
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Coco Jones
Aren't. Well, I think it's changing now. I don't think that is exactly the truth. I think you just have to show people that things work. But honestly, truly, I think our community has done a poor job at times of supporting our own work. And so if we're looking at just the numbers, if I'm an executive and I'm unbiased. Cause I don't care. I just want the money.
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Interviewer
Yeah, I see green.
- [25:16]
Coco Jones
Yeah, I'm just looking at the, like, which way are you going? Where the people show up or where the people be like, $18 for a ticket, girl. Bye. You know what I'm saying? So I do think as a community, we had to do a better. We have to do a better job of supporting our own stuff. But I also feel like it's a matter of not knowing what it's like over there. You know, you're in this position and you're this exec. You don't know what that's like until you get somebody like Ashonda Rhimes or Issa Rae who's like, this is what it's like. Let me show you the script. It's really good. And you know what I'm saying? And it's funny. And you're like, oh, what a different way of life, you know, and kind of introducing people to the. Of being black in different facets. I don't think it's necessarily that they don't think that we're marketable. I think they don't think of us until somebody forces that into their heads, you know, and until we as a community force that money, that revenue into our own world, you know. But I definitely think it's getting better from when I was a kid.
- [26:12]
Family Member
Yes.
- [26:13]
Coco Jones
To me now, watching these shows and so many different platforms. Hulu, Apple tv, you know, Apple Music.
- [26:17]
Family Member
Yeah, there's so many.
- [26:18]
Interviewer
Yes, yes.
- [26:19]
Coco Jones
So there's so many more opportunities. It's just the best show wins at this point. Honestly, it's whatever can grab attention. Attention is currency now. It's not this look and it's whoever can grab attention.
- [26:30]
Interviewer
Why do you feel you haven't come? Or do you feel the need to succumb to societal pressures and change anything? Plastic surgery, bbl bigger.
- [26:42]
Coco Jones
Um. Have I felt that? No, I wouldn't say that. I felt like I honestly, if anything, when I was younger, wanted to be like, shorter. I felt like all the guys, I mean, like, I'm not talking that young. A couple years ago, right. Felt like all the guy actors were shorter than me. And I'm like, well, they not finna choose me. Cause I'm taller than him.
- [27:05]
Interviewer
Right.
- [27:05]
Coco Jones
You know, that was one of the only things I could think that I really wanted to change about myself, but for the most part, nah. I come from an athletic family, so whatever you want to see in your. In your body, that's like I was taught, go work out.
- [27:19]
Family Member
Work out?
- [27:19]
Coco Jones
Yeah, like, go do it, you know, and that's kind of. That's what I like. Working out and feeling strong. That's what I like on my body. So.
- [27:28]
Interviewer
SZA recently came out and said she regretted getting a bbl. Have you talked to anybody in the industry that have regretted any kind of. Because I think now the thing in the TV industry or the Hollywood movie industry is like this old. This weight loss drug, the Ozempic, tirzepatide, semaglutide that, Things like that. Yeah. Have you talked to anyone that regret, like, whatever you do, don't do this?
- [27:52]
Coco Jones
No, the girls that I talk to, they be like, girl, do that. That look good. I don't know about nothing, but that is eating right up. I be like, let me feel that. That's nice. No, I will say though, I do feel like I have had some girls who do like the quick trying to lose weight and all of a sudden, like, maybe you got a shoot coming up and you trying to do something. But that is the only thing where I feel like it's like, yeah, I just poisoned myself for no reason. But yeah, no, none of the girls that I met really regret that. I think you gotta be careful though, because everything's a trend. So it's here today, gone tomorrow. But, mm, mm, they be looking good to me.
- [28:27]
Interviewer
Janet Jackson reposted one of your videos. SZA hit you up after. I mean, what is that? Janet Jackson? Now, obviously, Janet was Beyonce before Beyonce. And so for the song, she was. She was the it. And for her to repost it or just have Sza, you know, reach out, I mean, what. How does that make Coco feel? How did that make Coco feel? To know Janet Jackson reposted of your.
- [28:50]
Coco Jones
Video, I think it's very rewarding, you know, because for such a long time, nobody cared. So to have people care, first of all, is a blessing and crucial to success, but then to also have, you know, people you look up to and respect in your field to commend what you're doing. It's kind of like this sigh of relief. Like, oh, maybe I am doing something really good. If they think that, then maybe I am doing something really good. But honestly, I think for me, I feel like it's always been me who's gotta be proud of what I'm doing.
- [29:23]
Interviewer
Okay.
- [29:24]
Coco Jones
Even when nobody cared and it was embarrassing, I still knew I ate that. I still knew I ate that. And I'm like, I don't know what's not clicking for you all, but damn, I got something over here.
- [29:35]
Interviewer
Do you believe you got the role of Hillary? Hillary. So how was that audition? Tell me about that audition.
- [29:44]
Coco Jones
So that was around the time where I had just started getting re relevant in the world in any capacity. And I had this fan base now that was like, we support you. We didn't know you were going through this. We support you. I didn't know you cared. Thank you. So I get this acting management and they're like, we just like your personality. We wanna work with you. I was like, okay, I haven't been employed in a year and a half, but ok. And so around that time, they were like, there's this audition, there's this opportunity going around, this show, Bel Air, and we think you should audition for Hillary. And I was like, y'all, what do I look like trying to audition for this light skinned girl? I'm sorry. I was like, I told you guys, it's been a year and a half since I've had a job and y'all gonna make me do this? Yeah, like, you know, And I was like, what if I read for Ashley? She was dark skinned. They were like, Ashley's 12 in this. Get your ass on tape for Hillary. And so it was. I was very reluctant. And this was still when I was working on myself. And so my mental was. And so I was basically expecting rejection. So I kind of did it in this. I don't really care. I'm doing this and I don't really care. But it kind of worked, you know. And so I ended up getting on the phone with the director right after my audition, which I thought was just okay. Cause in the back of my mind, I wasn't really there. I was like, let's get this along so you can tell me no, so we can move on. Thanks. And he kind of talks about how he had looked me up and how he knew me and how he wanted me to just really be myself. And I had never had anyone with any position of power tell me to do that. And so I was like, okay, great. I'm Gonna do this next audition. And now I'm really excited. Now my heart's in it. You know, normally you keep your guard up. And then he was like, actually, we're just gonna call you. We'll tell you whether or not you got it. So they were basing it off my first audition, where I didn't really expect anything, and I was expecting rejection, and I was like, oh, well, I'm not gonna get this. Okay. But they end up calling me and telling me that I did get the role. And I was so, so happy because I needed that money for real.
- [31:37]
Interviewer
RI was about to be due again. Huh?
- [31:39]
Coco Jones
Man. What? I was like, I'll sign anything. No, but it did work out. It did work out. And we're on. We're about to film our fourth and final season, so it's a blessing to think that was four years ago where I was like, hell, yes.
- [31:53]
Interviewer
Did you think. Think about this. You said you went in there and you're like, hey, I'm just gonna read. I don't care if I get it or not. As opposed to the other roles that you were actually trying to get. Do you feel like you relaxed and you allowed the best coco to come out?
- [32:07]
Coco Jones
Um, no. No. I am my best. When I am prepared, when I do my research, when I'm ready, right? Then I can just get out of my head and just execute.
- [32:18]
Interviewer
But you said you, like, I don't really thought you wanted to do this other role, but the other role was too young. And then you're like, I'm just gonna do this. And that's like.
- [32:25]
Coco Jones
I don't know. It was truly just my time. It was truly just my time. Cause when I look back at, I could see the vision, but I can see myself, and I know what I was thinking in my own head. So I'm like, I don't believe her. But people who don't know what's in my head, they could get it.
- [32:41]
Interviewer
It came off as believable, you know?
- [32:43]
Coco Jones
Yeah. But no, I'm my best. When I'm prepared, when I practice, when I've rehearsed it, then I can just go eat it up.
- [32:48]
Family Member
Right?
- [32:48]
Interviewer
What's some of the best advice you've received since you've been in the industry? What's some of the best advice? Who's giving you some of the best advice that you like? Okay. This has really helped me.
- [32:58]
Coco Jones
You know what? Sza had her said something, because I remember I had done this cover of Love Galore, and this was years ago.
- [33:06]
Interviewer
Okay.
- [33:06]
Coco Jones
And I had she had hit me about it or maybe it was hit different. I don't know. She had hit me about it because, you know, a lot of her fans were sending it to her and I asked her how did you get there? And she kind of said like be delusional in a way, like. And honestly, truly, I do feel like you have to be a little bit delusional because you're trying to do something that nobody has done, especially the people around you, the people closest to you.
- [33:30]
Interviewer
Especially the people you know.
- [33:31]
Coco Jones
Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
- [33:33]
Interviewer
Yes.
- [33:33]
Coco Jones
So you have to like be delusional. And unless you have that support in somebody who believes in the vision with you, you on your own with it. It's you and God.
- [33:40]
Interviewer
Right?
- [33:41]
Coco Jones
So yeah, I think that actually has helped me so much. To walk in rooms with my head held high to seeing certain things, to try different, you know, things creatively is like delusion.
- [33:50]
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- [35:40]
Interviewer
Is there a scene that you won't do? Is there anything that you won't do? I don't know about, you know, intimacy on screen or being naked on screen. If there's something that Coco's like, nah, that ain't your girl.
- [35:51]
Coco Jones
Yeah, I feel like, honestly, truly, a lot of the intimacy scenes are super choreography. They're 5, 6, 7, 8. 1, 2, 3, 4, do it again. And you just get into this little habit. To me, it's like mom watching my mama know not to be fun. She learned the hard way she gotta protect herself. But I think for me, I don't want it to ever lean too. Porn vibes, you know, like, if it's a tasteful moment, like I always say, the Notebook, that was obviously them having sex, but it was so tasteful and the storyline was so good. And I was just like, I respect this.
- [36:26]
Interviewer
You know, that's what you got out of that. Tasteful?
- [36:29]
Coco Jones
Yes. Okay, What'd you get out of it?
- [36:31]
Interviewer
Tasteful. It was tasteful.
- [36:32]
Coco Jones
You don't even know what I'm talking about.
- [36:33]
Interviewer
We need to come back after all.
- [36:34]
Coco Jones
Those years and he built that freaking house for her. He built that house. I got it. Nah. But yeah, I think that would have to be the world that it's in. Cause sometimes I'm like, now why is this scene here? I'm reading the script and I'm like, what does this have to do with anything? Did this make me like the characters more at all, or are they just wanting some views? Cause I'm not doing it that route. It would have to be tasteful.
- [36:55]
Interviewer
Have you turned down a role because it made you feel uncomfortable?
- [36:59]
Coco Jones
Yeah, I have turned down roles where I didn't want to be depicted in that light, you know? And sometimes most of them, like, if you get an audition and it's something crazy, they say that at the beginning, before you even read for it. Will require nudity. Will require this. Da, da, da, da.
- [37:12]
Interviewer
You ain't get nude on camera.
- [37:15]
Coco Jones
It depends. It depends. I'm not gonna do like. Okay, so I feel like if it's like a silhouette and you can see that it's obviously in my body, but I don't want it to give. Like, you don't wanna be Coco Jones boobs. Hell no. You don't get that. You know what I'm saying? You're not getting that cropped out. That's not my vibe. That's not my vibe.
- [37:36]
Interviewer
Are you gonna play Tia? Man, I love Princess and the Frog.
- [37:40]
Coco Jones
You do?
- [37:40]
Interviewer
I did, I saw it.
- [37:42]
Coco Jones
I love it. Really?
- [37:42]
Interviewer
I.
- [37:43]
Coco Jones
Did you watch it with your kids or something or.
- [37:44]
Interviewer
Just for the first time I was by myself.
- [37:46]
Coco Jones
Okay.
- [37:46]
Interviewer
I know I used to go to a lot of animated and I know people looking around like, and they probably was thinking if I wasn't who I was, they probably think I was a perv. Because I'd be there with everybody, parents and with their kids, still a little.
- [37:58]
Coco Jones
Side eye, but you know, whatever your passions are, are your passions. I would definitely pass with my large popcorn and be like, lord, bless him, Lord. Bless him, Lord. Guide him on his way. But you know what? I love animation too.
- [38:10]
Interviewer
Yes.
- [38:10]
Coco Jones
I think they're so cute. Those characters and the way they like emote is so cool to me. I do love animation. It's one of my favorite types of movie. But yes, people ask me, am I gonna play Princess Siana? And y'all come on. I don't know. I don't know what's in the cards. Like, even if I was sitting right now knowing that I just filmed it, I wouldn't be able to say that. Those non disclosures be tight like my therapist. So no, I don't know. I wouldn't be opposed. Of course. I think it would be like an honor to one day have like a film like that and my daughter watch me as a princess. It would be amazing. But I don't know, I don't know how that's working. I don't know what they got going on over there, but they know where to go to find me. They got my number and my mama number.
- [38:52]
Interviewer
Okay, let me ask you this. I see you in a new movie. Country Wayne. Loretta Devine, Tabitha Brown. Ms. Pat. Yeah, I had Ms. Pat on.
- [39:01]
Coco Jones
I seen some of them clips.
- [39:03]
Interviewer
Lord have mercy. I had Tabitha also. Country Wayne has also been on.
- [39:07]
Coco Jones
Oh yes, I saw Country Wayne's too, actually, when I was on set. That's when I watched this. Cause he was telling me his story. I was like, what? And yeah, I went and watched his episode with you. So good.
- [39:17]
Interviewer
What are they like on set? What was that set like?
- [39:20]
Coco Jones
They're all different personalities. Loretta is like this respectful legend, tasteful Country Wayne, you know, he is that swag, that voice. He's super chill, but he's a very hard worker. Yes, very hard worker. Ms. Pat is, you know, she's hilarious. Ms. Pat is one of the best.
- [39:36]
Interviewer
She is.
- [39:37]
Coco Jones
She's a little so fun. But I think we all did a really good job of, like, making it feel very authentic and, you know, adding our two cents things. I feel like it's kind of one of those movies where, like, you hope that it could have that black culture stamp effect, you know, so everybody was contributing in their different ways to, you know, hopefully get that outcome.
- [39:53]
Interviewer
Have you ever had a mistaken identity? They look at like, are you Gabrielle Union? Are you Jennifer Hudson?
- [39:59]
Coco Jones
Yes, absolutely. Yes. Gabrielle Union, Jennifer Hudson.
- [40:02]
Interviewer
Do you say yes?
- [40:03]
Coco Jones
It depends on how. It depends on how I'm feeling that day. But sometimes, more than likely, I'll do this thing where I'm like. People will be like, oh, my God, you look like Coco Jones. And I'll be like, who is that? Cause I wanna see what they say. And nobody said anything bad yet, so that's good. But then I'll tell them, yeah, I am. But, yeah, of course.
- [40:20]
Interviewer
You got a new song?
- [40:21]
Coco Jones
Yeah, Taste.
- [40:23]
Interviewer
Can I hear it?
- [40:24]
Coco Jones
Can you hear it?
- [40:25]
Interviewer
Yeah.
- [40:25]
Coco Jones
Yeah. How could that go? Oh, I got my phone right here.
- [40:28]
Interviewer
Yeah.
- [40:29]
Coco Jones
I'm like, let me see.
- [40:30]
Interviewer
No, I think you meant just, like, sing a little.
- [40:32]
Coco Jones
Oh, I thought you wanted me playing. Okay. So, yeah. So, Taste, I'm really excited. It's, you know, of course, me with my RB vocals, but then I'm also sampling Britney Spears. Toxic.
- [40:44]
Family Member
Yeah.
- [40:44]
Coco Jones
And it's really dope. So you want me to sing some of it?
- [40:47]
Interviewer
Look, you hear a little apple of.
- [40:48]
Coco Jones
I'm like, should I sing the Britney part? A taste gets me in places I'm chasing I can't erase it Taste me, boy and I'll taste you that's the way I feel when I'm slipping under and then it goes into the tires of your lips I'm all right. It's really dope. I'm excited, man. Oh, it's out now. Yeah. I gotta pretend that it's out now.
- [41:11]
Interviewer
You said you was in a toxic relationship. The guy, he was controlling, like, okay, you do. Hey, you don't do this. Like, that video.
- [41:19]
Family Member
I don't know, Rip.
- [41:21]
Interviewer
It ain't looking good this month.
- [41:23]
Coco Jones
Yeah, I did have my little face of that. I did have my little phase of that. I think it's kind of something you have to go through to, you know, character develop and learn what you do and don't like. But, I mean, he wasn't the only toxic one. I will say that. I was also.
- [41:39]
Interviewer
You talked to her.
- [41:40]
Coco Jones
I had my ways. I had my ways. I was. I feel like everybody was. And so you could heal. And they're like, I just Wanna love authentically, you know? Yeah, I have my fair share of moments.
- [41:51]
Interviewer
What is this rumor that was going on about you and Donovan Mitchell?
- [41:56]
Coco Jones
What rumor?
- [41:57]
Interviewer
I mean, y'all showed up at the concert. I mean, you said it wasn't nothing, but I think it's odd holding hands dressed alike, going to the concert.
- [42:03]
Coco Jones
Concert.
- [42:04]
Interviewer
I'm just. It could have been innocent.
- [42:06]
Coco Jones
Yo, hold on.
- [42:07]
Interviewer
But normally most people don't show up at the concert holding hands dressed em.
- [42:11]
Coco Jones
Dressed alike. That's hilarious. You know what? I love the Internet. Cause they definitely clock my T. I love that, you know, some little spies everywhere. I feel like I'm in like a detective movie. But you know what? I'm happy. And I will say my music is the outlet that I use to tell most of my stories and my truth. And some things I keep for myself. Cause this is my life too. But yeah, I say some things and you can hear it in my album.
- [42:37]
Interviewer
Can I ask you this? Dating. Are you a public. I mean, obviously you a public figure.
- [42:42]
Coco Jones
Yeah.
- [42:42]
Interviewer
But are you private? Cause a lot of times. Cause a lot of times, you know, you people, they date, they're public figures and they date. They do everything publicly. But do you like having privacy? Do you like having some anonymity? Like some secrecy to Coco?
- [42:57]
Coco Jones
I think secrecy is not what I prefer. I don't wanna ever feel like I have to be somebody's secret. I don't wanna make anybody feel like they're mine. I think for me, I'm trying to protect myself and I'm trying to protect my family and whoever I love. And so, yeah, I am more private also. I just feel like I give so much, I work so hard, and I will always do my part on the business side, on the Coco side, on the singing side, on the acting side. So why do I also have to give y'all, you know, something that is sacred to me when I give so much on that side? You know, I just feel like it has to be balanced. Otherwise it's not fair. Then when is it? What do I get from me, right?
- [43:35]
Interviewer
You know how to date? Dating a celebrity. Cause you're a celebrity. Obviously, if you date somebody. Could you. Let me ask you this before we get to that part. Could you date someone that's not a celebrity?
- [43:45]
Coco Jones
Yeah, absolutely. I think for me, I don't really like the celebrity lifestyle myself. So to be with somebody that was more normal would never have been, you know, like, an issue to me. Has never been like an issue to me. I think for me, what's always been Important is. Okay, yeah, you do your big one there. I do my big win there. Whatever field. Public. Not public. Whatever.
- [44:09]
Family Member
Right.
- [44:10]
Coco Jones
But I want to feel seen and heard as Kourtney. I don't want to feel like there's any other motive to being with me. If I walk away from all of that, are you cool with that? You know, I don't want to feel like I have to be on. Cause I have one job, Right. And so I want to feel seen and understood. And I want to feel like, you know, I'm with somebody else who's normal as well. And we just happen to do whatever our fields are. So that's always been what's important to me, not whether you're relevant or not.
- [44:40]
Interviewer
What's the best place to take Coco on a first date?
- [44:44]
Coco Jones
The best place to take me on a first date. I'm gonna be asking a lot of questions. So quiet.
- [44:52]
Interviewer
Well, it definitely can't be the movies. Cause you, uh, stop popping up.
- [44:56]
Coco Jones
I would never want to sit by a complete stranger.
- [44:59]
Interviewer
Okay, Dinner.
- [45:02]
Coco Jones
I would say dinner. I think it would be dinner. Cause one, I do like me a good food and a good meal and a good glass of wine.
- [45:07]
Interviewer
Okay.
- [45:07]
Coco Jones
But also it's gonna be quiet ambiance.
- [45:10]
Interviewer
Yeah, Nice quiet, dimly lit.
- [45:12]
Coco Jones
Yeah. I love candles, too. I like a good.
- [45:15]
Interviewer
So it's like more one on one. Everybody ain't in your business. Like, is that Coco?
- [45:19]
Coco Jones
Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. I definitely like to be secluded and to also. I don't want it to be like a group thing. I wanna see who you are by.
- [45:29]
Interviewer
So one on one. Are you on? No. Double date?
- [45:31]
Coco Jones
No. What, for a first date?
- [45:33]
Family Member
Yeah.
- [45:33]
Coco Jones
Uh, I'm not trying to deal with that. Cause then also, if I bring my homegirl and she dating somebody now, I gotta hear him to clock his T. And it's too much going on. I can't be Inspector Gannon.
- [45:43]
Interviewer
Just focus one on one.
- [45:44]
Coco Jones
Yeah.
- [45:45]
Interviewer
Let me ask you this. 50, 50. Where are you on the 50, 50 relationship? It's always interesting to hear. We had Cheryl, and Cheryl's like, man is the head of the house. I don't care who I am. I don't care what I make. He's the head of the house. Breadwinner. No, breadwinner, Man. Head of the house. It's interesting to hear women younger this, I guess y'all millennials. Maybe y'all Gen Z. I don't know. Whatever y'all. But where are you on this?
- [46:12]
Coco Jones
So my opinion to me is that I feel like women have it harder hormonally, I mean, in the world, in all the ways. And so a man will never feel internally what I feel. You know, they're just living their life like it's golden. Love that for you.
- [46:34]
Interviewer
Yeah.
- [46:34]
Coco Jones
So to me, I feel like it could never really be equal. Cause we both ain't going through the same challenges. Take the job out of it, you know? Um. Yeah. So for me, I don't. I don't know. I think there would have to be some compensation on both things. I also feel like, who's taking care of the house if everybody's going to work? Like, what are the choice? I feel like it may not be completely equal when it comes to the finances. Finances, wherever that Ying and Yang needs to come in. Like, I don't wanna feel like I have to work and clean and cook and be hot and wanna be sexy. Like, come on now. Like, what's going on? That's just not fair. Maybe in a numbers way we're splitting things, but I'm going through a lot on the side, so I feel like there needs to be some compensation in that.
- [47:16]
Interviewer
You okay with the man being the head of the house?
- [47:18]
Coco Jones
Yeah. I do feel like that is my tea. Because I do come from, like, a very Southern and very traditional. And that's what I saw. And I think for me, I don't wanna. I don't wanna have to do that. There's too many on this side. In my own career, there's too many questions, too many decisions, too much brain power going to that. That I don't wanna also have to do that for a family.
- [47:38]
Interviewer
Right.
- [47:39]
Coco Jones
No, thanks. No, thanks. That's on you, sir.
- [47:41]
Interviewer
Right.
- [47:41]
Coco Jones
That's on you.
- [47:42]
Interviewer
Let me ask, have you ever introduced one of your boyfriends to your dad?
- [47:49]
Coco Jones
Um, not. Not. No. No, no, no. Well, not. What is. What am I saying, Courtney? Not commonly and not often. Only as I have gotten older and like. Like, it's only it hasn't been a lot.
- [48:09]
Interviewer
Right.
- [48:09]
Coco Jones
It could never be.
- [48:12]
Interviewer
Do they. When you say, well, I want you to. I want you to meet my dad, do they get nervous? Because I'm pretty sure they probably googled your dad.
- [48:20]
Coco Jones
Yeah, I don't think. I wouldn't say it's a thing of nervous. Cause I'm probably picking somebody who has a lot of confidence in themselves. Cause I have a lot of confidence in myself too, so.
- [48:28]
Interviewer
Oh, you picking him? Huh?
- [48:29]
Coco Jones
Huh?
- [48:29]
Interviewer
He think he think he chose you, but you chose him.
- [48:33]
Coco Jones
What?
- [48:33]
Interviewer
All right, okay. I'm just. I just want to throw that out there.
- [48:37]
Coco Jones
No, I'm just kidding. But yeah, so, no, I don't think that they would get scared or anything. And also, I feel like. I feel like my. My choices hold enough respect that if my family happens to meet anybody I'm dating, they're probably like, whoa, what? Who are you? You gotta be good. I just don't. I just don't bring anybody around because it's just not that serious to me.
- [48:56]
Interviewer
We'll wrap up on this. What new album out. What do you want to put on?
- [48:59]
Coco Jones
Yes. Okay. So Taste, my single is out, my video. I'm super excited. And my debut album is called why Not More, and it comes out on April 25th. I'm so excited.
- [49:10]
Interviewer
Taste is the song, the album, why not more, Ms. Coco Jones, period.
- [49:15]
Coco Jones
Thank you, Taste, guys.
- [49:17]
Interviewer
Thank you.
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