Club Shay Shay - Daniel Cormier Part 1

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Daniel Cormier (Part 1)

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guest: Daniel Cormier (DC)
Date: August 20, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this engaging episode, NFL Hall of Famer Shannon Sharpe sits down with MMA legend Daniel Cormier for a candid, intimate, and often humorous conversation. They explore DC’s rise from humble beginnings in Louisiana to becoming a double champion in the UFC, the challenges and intricacies of combat sports, rivalries—especially with Jon Jones—life after fighting, and broader reflections on greatness, legacy, and family. This first part digs into Cormier’s journey, the physical and mental demands of MMA, thoughts on longevity in sports, and much more.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

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1. Daniel Cormier’s Early Life and Path to MMA

Timestamp: 04:13 – 07:01

• Humble Origins:
  • Cormier expresses disbelief at his own journey from Lafayette, Louisiana, failing off the wrestling team and going to summer school, to achieving so much in combat sports and media.

    “I grew up in Louisiana, I never could have imagined, really, his life, I swear to God, I never could have imagined.” — Daniel Cormier (04:13)

• Transition to Wrestling, Then MMA:
  • Wrestling became a path out:

    “I started getting better at wrestling. And then I realized, like, wait, this wrestling can take me somewhere.” — Daniel Cormier (05:54)

  • Media career was unexpected; neither he nor Shannon went to college for media, echoing that “the best people in media didn’t.”

    “Normally the best people that are in media didn’t go to college for media… it really helps if you played that sport.” — Shannon Sharpe (06:18)

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2. Late Start, Longevity, and Evolution in MMA

Timestamp: 07:01 – 17:36

• Starting MMA at 31:
  • DC credits his wrestling background for a head start, joining AKA in San Jose to train with Cain Velasquez.

    “I walked into that gym at 30 and a half...my background in wrestling, it gave me, like, a massive head start.” — Daniel Cormier (07:18)

• On Being Multifaceted:
  • One-dimensional fighters have little hope today; need to be well-rounded (striking, grappling, etc.).

    “If you’re one-dimensional, you’re going to have a very short shelf life in that sport.” — Shannon Sharpe (08:04)

• Athlete Longevity:
  • Improved recovery methods are extending athletes’ careers in all sports (mentions LeBron, Brady).

    “Because of the access to…recovery. I think athletes are smarter today… they’re not rejecting the body anymore.” — Daniel Cormier (11:13)

  • On aging:

    “When you’re young, you feel invincible… As you start to get age, you’re like, I’m not as quick as I once was.” — Shannon Sharpe (12:13)

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3. Physical Toll, Injuries, and Knowing When to Retire

Timestamp: 12:55 – 17:36

• The Impact of Injuries:
  • DC recalls being knocked out by Jon Jones, subsequent memory loss, and a fight-ending sneeze that threw out his back:

    “This is the craziest shit ever. …I sneeze, bro. When I sneeze, threw my back out...A sneeze essentially ended my career.” — Daniel Cormier (13:00–14:48)

  • Describes fighting exhausted, “monkey jumped on my back”:

    “By the third round, the monkey jumped on my back. I was like, yo, I am exhausted. I’d never felt it before.” — Daniel Cormier (17:17)

  • On the fear and danger of fighting:

    “If that referee don’t take him off you, he will keep beating you up.” — Daniel Cormier (17:48)

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4. Mindset, Rituals, and The Fighter’s Experience

Timestamp: 18:11 – 27:38

• Coping with Pressure:
  • DC’s pre-fight ritual: sleeping in the locker room, finding calm through preparation.

    “I’d go to sleep. People would look at me like, how can you sleep knowing that in three hours you’re gonna go Fight for a world championship, right? But I knew that my preparation, I’d left…no stone unturned.” — Daniel Cormier (19:21)

  • The walkout and octagon rituals:

    “I would always tap the octagon … I’d say to myself…somebody gotta die in this. It ain’t gonna be me.” — Daniel Cormier (25:10)

• Cutting Weight:
  • How extreme weight cuts were, sharing a story of weighing 257 lbs before cutting to 205:

    “I weighed 257, bro. And you gotta be 205 in January. January 19th, I weighed in at 204.7.” — Daniel Cormier (26:22–26:27)

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5. On Rivalries: Jon Jones, Talent, and Controversies

Timestamp: 27:49 – 37:23

• Jones’ Unique Advantages:
  • Massive reach, height, natural athleticism; DC says he would have beaten anyone else at his best, but not Jon:

    “I’d never been better. I would have beat everybody else in the world… I was never better than that night. And he beat me.” — Daniel Cormier (28:44) “He’s by far the most talented person that we’ve had in mixed martial arts… He’s the most talented guy we’ve ever had.” — Daniel Cormier (37:31)

• Steroid Allegations:
  • DC is adamant Jones can’t be GOAT due to PED connections:

    “I don’t believe that. I don’t believe that he should be considered the greatest of all time. I’ve said that. You can’t…steroids in fighting is much different...” — Daniel Cormier (34:29)

• First Press Conference Brawl:
  • Their physical altercation brought huge media attention; their rivalry elevated both careers:

    “We did great business, and we did elevate each other to the point that when I fought Stipe, I was able to elevate him.” — Daniel Cormier (34:15)

• Pain after Jones’ failed test:

  “Heartbroken. Heartbroken. It’s like losing your first girlfriend.” — Daniel Cormier (40:01)

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6. Legacy, Mount Rushmore, and the Steroid Debate

Timestamp: 37:31 – 54:07

• DC’s MMA Mount Rushmore (excluding fighters with PED infractions):

  “Demetrius Johnson. Okay. George St. Pierre. Khabib. Khabib was undefeated. Nobody beat him. Fourth…that’s where it gets tough...But I can’t put Anderson. Like, I would like to put Anderson. If I’m saying all those guys included, then obviously John and Anderson are on that Mount Rushmore. But I don’t do that. I don’t. I refuse to. It’s not in fighting.” — Daniel Cormier (52:43–53:34)

• Amanda Nunes, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture: All mentioned for consideration.
• Women in MMA and Ronda Rousey’s Impact:

  “Dana…said, I will never have women fighting in the UFC or something very close to that. Then Ronda came along, and she just opened up the floodgates…That’s how important she is.” — Daniel Cormier (54:14)

• Ronda was ahead of her time but couldn’t keep up as the sport evolved.

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7. Big Fights and the UFC’s Growth

Timestamp: 54:54 – 56:49

• Speculation about UFC at the White House

  “If Dana say they gonna have a fight on the moon…I don’t know what airline flying to the moon, but it’s gonna happen.” — Shannon Sharpe (55:34)

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8. The Challenges of Life After Competition

Timestamp: 27:00 – 32:00, 60:54–62:02

• Losing the “high” of competition, camaraderie, and the physical toll makes retirement difficult for athletes.

  “That’s why athletes struggle once they leave the said sport… you’re never going to be able to replicate…just the camaraderie.” — Shannon Sharpe (27:20)

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9. Reflections on Current and Upcoming Fighters

Timestamp: 46:59 – 53:36, 62:55–64:38

• DC critiques Jon Jones for not fighting Tom Aspinall yet; heaps praise on Aspinall’s skills.
• Not interested in a comeback, even for $20 million:

  “I’m still not doing it… I can’t fight because I can’t. I was sparring one of them punched me in my rib with a straight right hand…every time I squeeze, my core hurts, man. I couldn’t do this every day like I used to.” — Daniel Cormier (59:43–60:54)

• Skeptical about Conor McGregor returning successfully:

  “It’s over for him. …He made way too much [money].” — Daniel Cormier (62:02)

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10. Cultural Differences, Legacy, and Upbringing

Timestamp: 69:13 – 79:46

• DC and Shannon discuss how upbringing (struggle, comfort) impacts drive; the hunger from places like Dagestan.
• Hard to inherit toughness and hunger when kids grow up in privileged settings.

  “For my son, right, to have the mentality that I have or had, it’s impossible. His life’s too comfortable.” — Daniel Cormier (70:08)

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11. Relationship with Khabib & Respect for Russian Fighters

Timestamp: 77:07 – 79:40

• DC shares the story of meeting Khabib and their enduring friendship:

  “That’s my boy right there, man. He walked into the gym by himself…he’s a good person. Real strong values, and he’s the best. I think he’s the best fighter ever.” — Daniel Cormier (77:07)

• Discusses Khabib’s dominance, his values, and his refusal to shake hands with women out of respect.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Somebody gotta die in this. It ain’t gonna be me.” — Daniel Cormier on his fight mentality (25:10)
• “I can explain something in real fine detail. Because there’s no position. I haven’t experienced the good and the bad in my career.” — Daniel Cormier (06:48)
• “A sneeze essentially ended my career.” — Daniel Cormier (14:48)
• “You can’t chant steroids. In fighting, it’s much different than anything else in the world.” — Daniel Cormier (34:29)
• “I would never put myself [on my own Mount Rushmore], but I’m like, right in that four to seven range.” — Daniel Cormier (53:34)
• “For my son…to have the mentality that I have or had, it’s impossible. His life’s too comfortable.” — Daniel Cormier (70:08)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------------------------|-------------| | DC’s early life and sports trajectory | 04:13–07:01 | | Late entry into MMA, training at AKA | 07:01–08:29 | | Longevity in sports and recovery methods | 10:57–13:14 | | Injuries and aging in MMA, Jon Jones KO | 13:01–14:48 | | The pressure, mindset, and rituals of fighting | 18:11–25:47 | | Weight cuts and power dynamics | 25:47–27:56 | | Rivalry and analysis of Jon Jones | 27:49–34:15 | | PED controversy & legacy debate | 34:16–37:23 | | Mount Rushmore and Ronda Rousey’s impact | 52:43–54:54 | | Life after fighting, refuting comeback rumors | 59:36–62:02 | | Khabib relationship & values, Russian fighter mentality | 77:07–80:24 |

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Memorable Excerpts

On Aging and Recovery:

“The body just doesn’t recover…The ability to bounce back, I mean, an injury that would keep you down a day all of a sudden is two, three days, or maybe it’s a week.” — Shannon Sharpe (15:48)

On Weight Cutting:

“The next day. I weighed 257 pounds. And you gotta be 205 in January.” — Daniel Cormier (26:22)

On Fighting Anderson Silva on Short Notice:

“I took the fight because I wanted to fight bad. When you want to fight, you want the check, but you want to fight.” — Daniel Cormier (46:48)

On Jon Jones’ GOAT status and Steroids:

“He’s the greatest talent…the sport has ever seen…but I…agree with DJ…you just can’t have that tied to your name, especially in fighting.” — Daniel Cormier (37:09)

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Episode Tone & Style

• The episode is unfiltered, reflective, and full of energy.
• Cormier mixes humor, humility, and candor, unafraid to speak on his vulnerabilities.
• Shannon Sharpe is inquisitive, sometimes playful, always respectful—drawing out in-depth responses and relatable anecdotes.
• The conversation seamlessly weaves through personal history, technical fight analysis, cultural commentary, and broader observations about family, success, pain, and growth.

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For Next Episode

This episode ends with a tease for “Part Two,” promising more discussion between Shannon and Daniel, available on the same podcast feed.

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This summary captures the heart, humor, and substance of Daniel Cormier’s first appearance on Club Shay Shay—an episode rich with stories, insights, and reflections on fighting and life.

Transcript

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[Daniel Cormier]

Welcome aboard the Johnson family.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The whole fam's here for the Disney Cruise. So you know we came to play and listen. The adults are gonna have a ball. First we're chilling in the infinity pool onto massages at Sense's Spa, then gliding into Star Wars Hyperspace Lounge for a to even gonna kick back with Mickey on Disney's private island. That's how we get down because Disney Cruise Line is where we came to play. Have we ever seen someone in that sport that possessed the arsenal that he has?

[Daniel Cormier]

No. He's by far the most talented person that we've had in mixed martial arts when he beat me. I was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was the best you'd ever been.

[Daniel Cormier]

I'd never been better.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let's just say for the sake of argument, you're three years apart. And now y' all move up and y' all by the heavyweight.

[Daniel Cormier]

Nah, he wasn't beating it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Heavy.

[Daniel Cormier]

All my life been grinding all my life Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price Wanna slice, got to roll a dice that's why all my life I be grinding all my life, all my life been grinding all my life Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price Wanna slice, got to roll a dice that's why all my life I've been grinding.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hello. Welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay. I am your host, Shannon Sharpe. I'm also the proprietor of Club Shay Shay. Stopping by for conversation and a drink today is one of the most accomplished and decorated fighters in MMA history. He's one of the great mixed martial artists of all times. A warrior in the Octagon, a champion in every MMA organization he's competed in. A former UFC light heavyweight champion and heavyweight champion. He's the second fighter in UFC history to hold titles in two weight classes. And simultaneously, he's the first fighter in the UFC to win and defend both the light heavyweight and the heavyweight belts. A UFC hall of Famer, a two time Olympian, three time Louisiana state champion, an all American freestyle wrestler, color commentator, world class talent, a master on the microphone, a father, a husband, a legend. D.C. could stand for double champion, but in this case, it stands for Daniel Cormier, my man.

[Daniel Cormier]

Say it again. When you say it all. When you say it all. When you say it all, man, I'm gonna tell you. When you say it all, it's something. Because I grew up in Louisiana, I never could have imagined, really, his life, I swear to God, I never could have imagined. And to hear all that, man, that was. That was a ride, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thanks for stopping by Club Shay Shay.

[Daniel Cormier]

Thank you, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, when you stop by Club Shay Shay, you know, you gotta have a taste of the.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah, yeah. That shave by the pool. Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Award winning. Award winning.

[Daniel Cormier]

It's good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's great.

[Daniel Cormier]

Let me see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know anything about cognac?

[Daniel Cormier]

No, I don't, but let me. I'm gonna try that. Oh, it smells strong too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See? Swish it around. Don't.

[Daniel Cormier]

Well, that's pretty good. It don't even. Really. It don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, See, they got that bite I.

[Daniel Cormier]

Was expecting a little bit. So my daddy drink like Southern Comfort and stuff like that. Set your hair on fire.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. It's nice and smooth. Yeah, it's easy. See, we gotta get you something. We gotta get something for your old man.

[Daniel Cormier]

That's actually really good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, see, that's real good. Let me ask, when you hear what I read off and you and I were talking before we started this interview and you was talking about growing up in Louisiana and the expectations of now you're in media, did you expect any of this to happen? This be your life at your age now?

[Daniel Cormier]

No, Shannon, I was, I was a kid that I didn't do. I grew up in Lafayette. Right. So it's not the best place.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

But I followed everybody, so I did everything they did. So whenever, when I was in high school, my freshman year, I was a kid that failed off the wrestling team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

I was a kid that had to go to summer school to get to 10th grade. I did all kinds of bad stuff until I started getting better at wrestling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

And then I realized, like, wait, this wrestling can take me somewhere.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

But even after that, I never thought that I would have jobs doing what I do with the volume. Working at espn, working at fox, that I used to. A lot of similarities. Right. But like having those opportunities, I never could have imagined doing that because I didn't even go. I didn't go to college for media. None of us did. We went to college to play sports.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And normally the best people that are in media didn't go to college for media.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Especially when they do what we do now, obviously, you know, the play by play and things like that, you know, Obviously. But to sit and talk about a sport, it really helps if you played that sport.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you can speak through personal experience.

[Daniel Cormier]

Absolutely. And that's what people want to hear, the people actually want to hear when you are talking as the guy that played the tight end, the guy that's in the Pro Football hall of Fame. When you're talking about football.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Because they know. Well, he'd been in the trenches.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

And that's what I do when it comes to fighting. I can explain something in real fine detail.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Because there's no position. I haven't experienced the good and the bad in my career.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm going to take it from this approach. You got a late start to mma.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And getting a late start, that didn't deter you because now I'm looking at you, what you were able to accomplish later in your career. I mean, it's. How is that possible?

[Daniel Cormier]

D.C. so I walked into that gym at 30 and a half.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

I turned 31 in March. I only fought for 10 years, and at 41, I should have been done right, but the money had got too good. That's why, you know, the money get good at the end. Yeah, the money get good at the end. Whenever you aren't supposed to be doing it anymore, but I, I kept fighting, but I walked into that gym. But because of my background in wrestling, it gave me, like, a massive head start. So I went out to San Jose. I went to multiple gyms recruiting. They were trying to get me to train, but I walked in the AKA Bro. I saw Cain Velasquez. I was like, yo, that dude is who I want to fight like. And if I can train alongside him, it will lead me to being one of the best. But at 31 years old, I was essentially making my MMA debut because normally.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guys that are really, really good, they start. Obviously you got a wrestling background, but they've been doing this for an extremely long period of time. And you just basically. I mean, years old with a wrestling background, but you got to be multifaceted to be really good in the ufc. The more rounded you are, the better you are. If you're one dimensional, you're not going to have. You're going to have a very short shelf life in that sport.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep. Not today, you can't. You, you definitely cannot be one dimensional today.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

Back in the day, you remember Roy Gracie and those guys?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I do.

[Daniel Cormier]

They would walk with the, the jiu jitsu chain. You had the jiu jitsu gun, and you had the big boxer. One brother went out there with one glove on. His name was R. Jemison. He went out there with one glove. Can't do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The first two fights that were in Denver, Colorado, I saw him ufc.

[Daniel Cormier]

Really?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

You went?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I went.

[Daniel Cormier]

See, that's crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was telling Dana the story.

[Daniel Cormier]

You actually went to watch it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I went to watch it because I, I, I, you know, just like, okay, and, you know, listening to it. What is it going to be? Well, we gonna see if a karate guy could beat a this guy and if a big guy could beat that guy. And I'm like, okay, so what about the classes? They're like, ain't no weight class. I'm like, hold on. So a guy, 125 could literally be fighting somebody 275. Like, yeah, I like, I don't think this gonna end well.

[Daniel Cormier]

But that's what drew you in, right? And then Royce wins, and he's 165.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. I'm looking at this little dude. I said, you about to get the brakes beat off you. And he got his suit on, his ski on him. Yeah. And I'm like, what's he doing? He's like, literally trying to lay down. I'm like, I don't think this. Cause I ain't never heard about no tc. I don't know nothing about no Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. And he's like, laying down. I'm like, what you doing?

[Daniel Cormier]

You go around there, you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly.

[Daniel Cormier]

If you go around there with them, they were in trouble. But I. I had so grow so that my manager.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

Still to this day, Dwayne, he calls me when I graduate college at Oklahoma State. He goes, hey, there's a Sport. This is 2001. He goes, There's a sport that's gonna take over. It's gonna be mma, right? It's fighting. Have you ever been in a fight, like, in your life?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

I started laughing at him. I said, bro, I grew up in Louisiana. I had to fight all the time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

And I think that. That even though. Even though, Shannon, like, we don't. I'm pretty sure you grew up down in the South Korea, and you had to fight at times. Even though we aren't doing it correctly. Somebody's trying to punch you, you're trying to punch someone. So then when somebody taught me to punch, like, okay, this is how it's done the right way. So it allowed for me to adjust to it much faster and I wasn't scared.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

Like, that's the biggest thing with wrestlers, especially being scared to get hit. You cannot be scared.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. How is it that we're starting to see more athletes, D.C. dominate in their 40s. You saw a guy like yourself, you see a LeBron James, you saw a Tom Brady. You see guys that are playing at extreme, because normally guys, they're gone by the time they get to the mid-30s, they're gone. Especially in your sport. Even in football, guys ain't playing that long. And every once in a while, you'll get a Kareem Abdul Jabbar, that'll be. But he's a big guy, and he doesn't need to get up and down the court.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But to see Tom play until he's what, 43, 44 years of age, you're.

[Daniel Cormier]

Still fighting at 41. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a whole LeBron still being able to be. Play at the level he's playing at. Why do you think guys have been able to. To. To do things to this level much longer?

[Daniel Cormier]

Because of the access to. To recovery. I think athletes are Smarter Today, those guys are. Are very young. So when we're younger, like, you're in your 20s, you're in your 30s, you're Superman.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

You go to sleep, you jump out of bed, you go to train. Yes, every day. But then as you start to get older, the body starts to ache a little more. But those guys in their 20s and 30s are not. They're not rejecting the body anymore. They're saying, at 25, while I may feel great, I know there are, like, problems underlying for me that I need to address, address, make sure that I'm straight. And I think that's why they're playing so long, but they're playing at an elite level. I remember when Peyton Manning went to Denver, he said it himself. He goes, I can't throw the ball down the field. He goes, but I will manage a game every now and again. I'll give you one that goes a little deeper, right? He goes, but I'm managing the game. Because at the point, we were still kind of living in that world where you just age and then you age out. And even Aaron Rodgers right now, right? We'll see what happens this year. But last year, he just didn't look like the same guy. And caught up to him quick, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Going into a fight, because like you said, when you're young, you feel invincible. You feel you can't lose. As you start to get age, you're like, I'm not as quick as I once was. My reaction time is not the same. My defense mechanisms are not the same. My spidey senses don't tingle like they once did. I'm not processing information. You know what I'm saying? The computer. The Internet ain't working.

[Daniel Cormier]

The Internet, you back on AO dial up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You on dial up. You exactly right. But dc, I mean, for you, I mean, you went in there and you did what you did to Steepig. Like, what's. What did your. What was your thought process? Did you like, man, I'm getting older. Did you do any. Did you train any different?

[Daniel Cormier]

So at 39, I didn't. So I didn't. At 39, this is the craziest shit ever. So 39 starts?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Right. In 2017, I lost to Jon Jones in Anaheim.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Daniel Cormier]

So they called me, hey, you want to fight another fight? It was like September, October. I said, no. I said, this was the first time I'd been knocked out in my life. Like, in my life, Shannon. Like, in football, I would hit people, and you kind of buzz, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was knocked out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bail Rung your stars.

[Daniel Cormier]

And all it was was my bell just got run right. You go back to playing. I got knocked out, man. Like he kicked me in the head and he hit with a whole bunch of follow up shots and it put me out like, hey, I remember, I can tell you right now, this was in 2017. From the, the moment I, that fight finished all the way back to the ambulance, I still can't recall that time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Really.

[Daniel Cormier]

I can't make myself remember what happened. I try to, I try now even at night to go, man, what happened in that 10, 15 minutes, dude. There's a video of me crying with Joe Rogan. He's interviewing me after the fight, but I'm so concussed that I'm crying in the octown because I just lost the biggest fight of my career. They called me to fight again and I said no. I said, I'm going to let my brain rest until the end of next year or the beginning of next year. I fight in January at 39. I feel great. I go into, I win the belt back. I beat Stipe in July and I'm fine. I feel no age because of the late start, right? I'm only doing this seven years now, right? Eight years. Because at a late start at 39, I become the double champ. I defend the belt in Madison Square Garden. Everything's great. But on that morning of that fight with Derrick Lewis, I get up to do my shakeout. I go run, hit my pads. As I'm on the treadmill, I'm like, I'm like, I don't feel great this morning. Like I'm kind of like achy, right? Shannon, I'm running. I sneeze, bro. When I sneeze, threw my back out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Daniel Cormier]

Threw my back out. I sneezed so violently.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's like a baseball player disrespect like that.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yes. I sneezed so violently my back went out. So now I'm stuck hunched over. Mind you, at 1am tonight, I've got to walk to that octagon and fight Derrick Lewis. You can't lose the main event on the day. So then they come and they massage me. They give me stem cell treatment. They get me up in about, around 5 o' clock in the afternoon, I go fight. One month after that, I'm in the gym training. I kick Cain's leg. He checks it. Tingle goes all the way up my leg. The disc sits on my sciatica. Now I'm paralyzed almost. And from that moment on, I just was not the same guy. It took one incident, a sneeze essentially ended my career because I never want to fight again. Stipe beat me the next time, then he beat me the following time. It's like, I never. It was that one thing. So I think these guys, while they're playing longer, have an ability to go along, but it'll be one thing. LeBron.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

If LeBron gets hurt, it's not going to be like when he got hurt in his 20s. He's really going to struggle.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the thing to bounce back. Because when you're younger, the ability to bounce back, I mean, an injury that would keep you down a day all of a sudden is two, three days, or maybe it's a week. And an injury that would keep you down a week when you're younger is keeping you down two weeks or maybe even a month. The body just doesn't recover with the football.

[Daniel Cormier]

Like, how old were you when you retired?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was. I was. I was going to turn 36 in two months.

[Daniel Cormier]

So you were still relatively young.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

In today's game, though, you'd have played three more years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But how did the.

[Daniel Cormier]

How did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because they don't. In training camp, we had, you know, we was outside twice a day. We hitting. We have some days. We have two a day practices.

[Daniel Cormier]

They don't even hit no more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no. They don't. They don't hit no more. We hit. They were for real, real hit. And we hit for real, real in college and we hit for real, real in high school. So. But I think it got our bodies used to taking that. We didn't have these little ticky tack injuries that these guys get now. But do you think that because you didn't have the wear and tear that, you know, say, if you had gotten to this, like, in your 20s, like, I think Jon Jones started like 20.

[Daniel Cormier]

Jon Jones started at like 19.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Do you think because you didn't have the wear and tear, because like you said, even though you got, I mean, you had a short shelf life, really, you don't have like eight years.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah, yeah, I fought for eight years. I was the champ. I was in the championship for eight years. I fought for the belt those last two years. That didn't mean I was necessarily in the picture. Right. I was fighting for the belt because I have the name value. I was fighting for the belt and Anaheim because I was the champion.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

I had to defend.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

Sure, I was beating Stipe, but, man, by that. That old monkey jump on my back in the third round. I was beating the shit out of him. By the third round, the monkey jumped on my back. I was like, yo, I am exhausted. I'd never felt it before.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah. It was crazy. It was. It is the scariest thing that you could ever imagine in your life. I've been in some. Some hairy situations inside that octagon. Not having the energy to fight because that dude wants to kill you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

If that. Like, if that referee don't take him off you, he will keep beating you up. That's how you got to approach fighting, right? So it's like. That's a scary. When you're like. You get off that stool and you're like, oh, my God. I don't know how. If I got 10 more minutes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

Scary.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I forget who it was, but I remember there was some lady that she, like, woke. She's like, I was in the ring, and I realized I didn't want to fight anymore.

[Daniel Cormier]

Oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was like, you probably want to, like, in training or maybe even the night before in the back. Yes. But you don't in the ring. And she. I forget her name.

[Daniel Cormier]

She fought.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

She got knocked out, didn't she?

[Shannon Sharpe]

She lost.

[Daniel Cormier]

She lost. She lost.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She lost. Misha Tate.

[Daniel Cormier]

Misha Tate. Yep. Misha Tate. Yep. I remember her saying that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I'm like, boy, that's an awful time to find out you don't want to do something when you're actually doing it.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah, there's some questions before. Yeah, every time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Daniel Cormier]

Every time. There's some questions. I used to watch. I used to watch Floyd and all them dudes, like, in the ring before, when they're introduced to them, I'm like, how do they do that? How do they find calm in this with everything going on around him, with what's at stake?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

And I was like, man, I couldn't do it. But then I would walk to that octagon. It's the most, like, you know, like, you know, right? And that's why people. That's what people don't understand. When you hit that tunnel for a Super bowl or you hit that tunnel for a big game, your whole body's on fire.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You got goosebumps.

[Daniel Cormier]

You got goosebumps everywhere.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's going through your mind, Shannon?

[Daniel Cormier]

I'm in the back every time, and I would go in, same routine. I'm from Louisiana, superstitious. I go in the back and I go to sleep. People would look at me like, how can you sleep knowing that in three hours you're gonna go Fight for a world championship, right? But I knew that my preparation, I'd left. I left no stone unturned. I'd done everything. So the result was done. Either I was gonna win or I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Was gonna lose, because it wasn't gonna be something that you did in that.

[Daniel Cormier]

That I did wrong. And in that three hours, how do you settle yourself? I said, because I'm ready. But I would be in the back. I'd get up, I'd do my warmup, then they would tell me, all right, dc, you walk in a minute. And he start hearing music. All right, DC, we're walking in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. And it's just nerves. I'm like, how many times should I have gone left? I went to college, Shannon. How did I end up here fighting? Man, I hit that curtain. Thousands of people. 18,000. The UFC does an amazing job of walking you through the crowd, and the energy is just electric, and they're reaching for you, and they want a piece of you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Daniel Cormier]

And I couldn't even handle it. I would run to the octagon because it's just too much. I'm already jazzed. I can't take in any more energy before I step in there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you see them? Because a lot of times, like, you get into a zone dc, and, you know, like you said, like, you don't even. You don't even see the people. It's like a calm. Like, I'm in a game, and it's like a calm. I don't even hear the crowd. Yeah, it's like, everything is just like, hush. And all of a sudden, you catch a pass, you touch a touchdown, and.

[Daniel Cormier]

If, ah, you hear it all. Yes, it's great. But I could, like, I can't see him because I'm focused, purposely tunneling on the octagon and have the ability to go second. So the guy that I'm fighting is already in there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

So I'm not standing there waiting, trying to. So I'm going second. When I hit that, when I hit that, that freaking. When I hit that, that step, those steps, I'd walk up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Daniel Cormier]

And I tapped the tab, the octagon. That was some football shit we used to always hit. Play like a champ today, right? Like, I would always tap the octagon. I go in there, bro, there's Bruce. Bruce is dressed to the dime.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

There's some commissioners making sure we don't fight before. And then when they do the last instructions and you turn around, there's a pin that they dropped to lock the cage. It makes that sound right there that he just dropped, right? I could hear it. 20,000 in the arena.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you could still hear that pin.

[Daniel Cormier]

You could hear that pin. And then I would say to myself, I swear to God, I would be like, somebody gotta die in this. It ain't gonna be me. Swear to God, every time I'd be like, somebody gonna die in here, I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

About to make you go unlock that gate.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My goal is to make you unlock that gate.

[Daniel Cormier]

You either jump over this, you either jump over to run away from me, or they gonna pull me off of you by the time this is done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Daniel Cormier]

And then that was always my approach because you had to look at it like life and death. You just had to. I had so many things I wouldn't eat. I would, like, abstain from sex. I wanted to be as primal as I could be. Going into the octagon, would you cut?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. You're light, heavy. That weight of 205. So now. So what are you coming down from? You coming from 230, you coming from 235, you coming from 250. Where you coming from? Deep.

[Daniel Cormier]

Shannon, my nutritionist, was at my house for a fight I was supposed to have in January, but I got hurt the day before Thanksgiving. He had a turkey brine. A turkey and a brine. It was in a big old pail.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

It was white, though. Shannon. He was gonna make us Thanksgiving dinner, but it was not gonna be seasoned. I got hurt right before Thanksgiving, man. We took that turkey, rinsed all that shit off, made it ourself, and seasoned it. The next day. I weighed 257 pounds.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Daniel Cormier]

I weighed 257, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you gotta be 205 in January.

[Daniel Cormier]

January 19th, I weighed in at 204.7. I was 257. What the hell? I was huge. I was big, but, like, I wasn't tall.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I know that's a lot of weight in a small area, D.C. but.

[Daniel Cormier]

When I would walk into the Octagon, you could see where the power was in my ass and my legs. Yes, it was like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're really explosive.

[Daniel Cormier]

Exactly. And it was all in this. Right. While I was the shorter guy. Short arms. Yeah, I had. My torso's not tall.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

But, like, it's in my legs. And that's why the explosiveness was always so on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

On display. Yeah, it was good, but it was the. Hey, it's the best. It's like walk, dude. When you're on. When you're on that sideline in the national anthems, playing that feeling. Yeah, that's what we're feeling, bro. It's the best. It's. It. L. I've. That's why so many fighters end up on drugs and messed up. Because you can't replace.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't replicate that.

[Daniel Cormier]

No, you can't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's why athletes struggle once they leave the said sport is because you're never going to be able to replicate 20,000, 80,000, however many thousand. You're never going to be able to replicate the locker room. You're never going to be able to replicate the bus ride, the plane ride just to come. Rodery. I don't know.

[Daniel Cormier]

But that's what you miss the most.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what you literally missed.

[Daniel Cormier]

The practices and afterwards, just sitting there talking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah. I didn't miss the games. I mean, the money was nice, but you just missed the camaraderie, the laughing and joking. You in the line, stretching and doing all those things.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You mentioned Anaheim.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You fought Jon Jones. I think you were 35 and he was 27.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep. Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you guys were comparable ages. Is that fight different?

[Daniel Cormier]

I think. I think there are a lot of. I think there are a lot of reasons why he beat me. He's. I mean, have you met Jon Jones?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I haven't.

[Daniel Cormier]

Jon Jones is probably 6, 5, 6, 4, 6 5. Jon Jones's arms are 84 inches apart, his reach. Wow. Mine are 72.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

So, like, he was taller, like, a little. So even if even at the same age, he would still be taller.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Two of his brothers played in the NFL. One was, like, really good. Chandler.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chandler.

[Daniel Cormier]

So I Think I would be better because I would be younger, but I don't know if I could have been better in Anaheim because I trained so hard because he beat me the first time. I've never been better. When he beat me, I was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was the best you'd ever been.

[Daniel Cormier]

I'd never been better. I would have beat everybody else in the world in all those weight classes. I was never better than that night. And he beat me. And even the fight up to the point that he got me, it was just super competitive, right? Joe Rogan said something to the effect of, you can clearly see you're watching the two best lightweights we've ever seen in an octagon, right? Because we were both so locked in. So I don't know that the age made as much of a difference because I just think that he has a lot of built in advantages with his height and his reach. And he's got great timing and he's tough, dude. He's very tough, Shannon. Like I would club him upside the head and he would just keep fighting. He would just. And not many did that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's what I wanted. What makes him. Because like you say, okay, he's six foot four and a half, he's six, five 84 inch reach. He could punch you, he could take you down.

[Daniel Cormier]

See, he don't hit very hard though, with his hands. He does not punch hard.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Really?

[Daniel Cormier]

No, he does not punch hard. So we were, I went into the fight, I talked to Rashad Evans and Rashad goes, he doesn't hit hard, but he has other weapons. So we first started fighting the first time we trade jabs, because I had a real unique ability because of my athleticism to get to the jab, even though the guy was taller. So we jab each other and my nose started bleeding. I was like, well, why my nose bleeding? He don't hit hard. My shit bleeding. His shit bleeding for different reasons, but.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, there you go.

[Daniel Cormier]

Ignore that. You gotta think that what it is, my bleed, right? And I'm like, why is my nose bleed? I was like, why my bleeding? So anyhow, he. We start fighting and I'm like, okay, but I gotta pressure him because I'm shorter, right? Yo, you gotta walk through some razors to get to him. He's got knees, yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Elbows that.

[Daniel Cormier]

So by the time I get in, I've been kneading the body three times. I've been elbow two times. So now I get off, I get my shit going and then we get apart, right? So now I gotta go all through the Razors again to get my offense going again. That's what makes him special. He's a special fighter. He really is. And I respect him for what he did inside the Octon, mainly because he beat me on that night, like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you said, that's the absolute best. Never been D.C. has ever, ever been.

[Daniel Cormier]

Shannon. I was in such great shape. My shoulders were, like, big. I was lifting, I was running, I was training hard.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was conditioned.

[Daniel Cormier]

I was well conditioned. I was mopping.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You was ready to go five if. If five. If five is what is required.

[Daniel Cormier]

Because we went 25 the first time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Right. So I. And. And my cardio failed me, okay? So I was like, I need to be better because it's going 25 again, okay? And then ultimately, he got me with the head kick, right? But I was in shape, man. I was ready to go. My mind was strong. Everything was ready to go, get the job done on that night. But he was. He got it done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What about him? At. What if y' all had moved up? Y' all similar name. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, you're three years apart, and now y' all move up and y' all fight a heavyweight.

[Daniel Cormier]

Nah, he. He wasn't beating me at heavyweight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He couldn't beat you.

[Daniel Cormier]

I don't think so, because I was good at heavyweight. I think I was probably better.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you're probably a natural heavyweight there, wearing the 250.

[Daniel Cormier]

He's upset by natural weight. I was like, my natural weight. But he almost admitted it. He said, in the time that we were fighting, he goes, no, I'm not going to fight him at heavyweight. That would be giving him the advantage. He goes, he's bigger than me, naturally. And he goes, no. But then, like, a couple weeks ago, he was talking about me fighting. I was like, bro, I'm 45 years old, man. I'm 46 now. Go fight the dude that want to fight you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Daniel Cormier]

I got a big old.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he want to fight united heavyweight.

[Daniel Cormier]

He was talking about I would beat D.C. at heavyweight. Yo, I've been retired for five years, my brother, right? Go fight somebody else. Like, I'm good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Pickle somebody on fight.

[Daniel Cormier]

Tom Aspinall.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you and John got into it at the.

[Daniel Cormier]

At the presser, the very first.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

What happened?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn, dc.

[Daniel Cormier]

Hey, Shannon. It's so funny because MMA has struggled to encapture the urban audience. Yes, it really has. John and I are going to fight the first time. John and I have had a. We've always had a history of not getting along great.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

So when the press conference happened, we came forward to forehead. I pushed him, he pushed me. We flew off the octagon. That was right in the middle of football season. In every sports center, everything led with that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Daniel Cormier]

Because it was that big. Lorenzo Partida told me. He goes, you guys would have made so much money. He goes, you made great money in January, but it was six months. He goes, if y' all fought in September, he goes, you can't imagine how much money you would have made on Pay per View. But because the fire had died down a little bit after six months passed, but we had that moment where the cameras. The cameras kept recording.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

It was just. We just didn't like each other. But after the fight, I was in Newark, New Jersey, walking around like I would always do. And that's when I realized that being in there with him had changed the way the public perceived me. Right. Because I'm in a very urban neighborhood, very black, and everybody's like, hey, hey, hey. But I think it was because of what we did for each other. Hate each other, dislike each other. We did great business, and we did elevate each other to the point that when I fought Stipe, I was able to elevate him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

Because of the name recognition I got from fighting John.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, the elephant in the room I saw. Demetrius Johnson says, because Jon Jones, the steroid is tied to his name.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He can't be in the goat conversation.

[Daniel Cormier]

I don't believe that. I don't believe that he should be considered the greatest of all time. I've said that. You can't. You can't chant. Steroids.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

In fighting is much different than anything else in the world.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They make you stronger, they make you faster, they give you endurance, recovery ability.

[Daniel Cormier]

When you train.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what you. That's what it. That's mainly what steroids does.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

People. It allows you to go there and go hard and go hard tomorrow and go hard the day after and go hard the day after and go hard the day after. That's when you grow. That's when you become better.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because it gets to a point where you like, damn. I just. I can't get. I can't give you everything today.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you can go back to back to back.

[Daniel Cormier]

And that was me at 36. Right. Even though I was the best I could ever be. The best I could ever be, I'm working as hard as I could ever work in my life, knowing that I have to be ready at 36. He's 28. Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he's in his prime.

[Daniel Cormier]

He's in his prime, but that's the fight that he actually tested positive, and they made it a no contest. So while he's doing that, it's like, like you said, he's able to keep up with me work wise, but exceed it because at a point I got to say, hey, coach, I got to take a morning, man. I need it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

I have to. I have to take a morning. And I don't know that he would need to do that. Yeah. So I. I don't. I don't. I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you suspect at the time when you were in their wedding that there's something that might not be on the up and up?

[Daniel Cormier]

No, no, no, no, no. I didn't suspect. He felt like. He felt like he was always strong, right? He was always strong. He was always big. He was always in shape. It wasn't nothing that surprised me. What sucked was that was that I felt like I moved past it, right? Like, okay, this dude beat me twice. This shit's over. Like, there's nothing I'm gonna do to be the champ. Because if I can't beat him, nobody else is beating him. That's the truth. Right? I was like, yo, if I ain't beating him, the rest of these dudes ain't beating him. Because I know how much.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Daniel Cormier]

Cause when I fight the other ones, I destroy him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Daniel Cormier]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause they don't have the toolbox. They don't have the toolbox he got now.

[Daniel Cormier]

Exactly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And plus, he's six, five, six, four and a half. He's long, Long limbs, and he, like, he has it all. I mean, you can elbow, you can kneel.

[Daniel Cormier]

If you write a checkbook, a checklist of what you want in a fighter at 205 to heavyweight. Jon Jones. They're talking about the White House. They're talking about a White House fight. Guard. Hey, man, we gotta have some Americans win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

I don't like Jon Jones. It's no secret. The whole world knows it, right? I said, man, y' all better put Jon Jones on there, because right now we ain't got one American in the top ten pound for pound. I said, if y' all want an American dude to go get a victory, put Jon Jones in there. Because he gonna win. That's what he does.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

But I. At the end of the day, I still don't believe and I agree with dj it's like you just can't have that tied to your name, especially in fighting right and people call you the greatest of all time. He's the greatest talent, right. The sport has ever seen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Have we. That's what I was about to ask you. Have we ever seen someone in that sport that possessed the arsenal that he has?

[Daniel Cormier]

No. No. He's by far the. He's by far the most talented person that we've had in mixed martial arts in terms of his. His length, his skills, his mind. He's the most talented guy we've ever had. We've had great fighters. Demetrius Johnson was amazing. Khabib is amazing. But Khabib did it through grit, determination and hard work. He wasn't. Khabib wasn't going to run a basketball and shoot it. Jon Jones, they got a video of Jon Jones trying to dunk a basketball. You should see that. That's bad. But obviously he's an athlete. Look at his family.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, right. He's got two brothers playing NFL.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah, yeah, he was. He's the best athlete we've ever had in terms of. In terms of the best fighter of all time. I would never give that. Because of that. Now, he's not the only guy. I fought on steroids. I think that before they started doing all that testing, all those guys were doing steroids.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Really?

[Daniel Cormier]

I really do. They just. They. I mean, many of them had popped for steroids before, and I fought them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they had figured out a way how to cycle on and off.

[Daniel Cormier]

So cycle on and off, or cycle on and off, or they just weren't testing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

I never took a drug test until I got into the ufc. I just went and fought. So I don't know what those guys were doing. There was a guy, they said that this guy got tested positive for something. They said usada, who was the testing commissioner at the time, bro, they got a bit. They got a bit like, I know when they're coming, right? They would come at 6am in the morning. And I did. I got tested 65 times from USADA, from wrestling to then. But look at me, I'm not on steroids. Yeah, but they were. You're hitting the numbers. I said that publicly one time, way back in the day. The next time, they came to my house at 4 o'clock in the afternoon. So they were watching, but they. Because they had gotten like, repetitive. They. They heard fighters doing it. One guy popped for something. Shannon, they got him at 10pm they said if they would have let him go to bed and wake up the next morning, they could have tested him. It had been gone 12 hours. 12 hours for that to get out of his system. It's crazy, the level of stuff they have out there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, it's just like anything. I mean, they're gonna come up with something that's in and out. They got these peptides and all these good. See? And you didn't think it was gonna be. You thought he was gonna have all that bite to it.

[Daniel Cormier]

I don't drink.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, it don't got. It don't have anything.

[Daniel Cormier]

I don't really drink.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It don't have any bite. But the viral video of you finding out that he test positive, and you feel like you were just so broken.

[Daniel Cormier]

Heartbroken. Heartbroken. It's like losing your first girlfriend. I had a girlfriend growing up, and me and her, we went crazy, right? You have sex for the first time, it is all you want to do. I'm checking myself out of school, man, to go meet this girl. She's checking herself out of school. She's up in the middle of the night on the phone because her mom doesn't let her use the phone. Our parents took us together. They found out what we were doing, right? They sat us in the front yard and told us we could not see each other anymore.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That made you.

[Daniel Cormier]

That's what it felt like. Let me tell you something. I'm on the city bus, getting over there. I'm telling my 35 cents, I'm going to her house. Who doesn't? Mama go to work. And you said, it was like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I will sign a waiver. I want to fight it.

[Daniel Cormier]

Heartbroken because I know how hard I had worked again, it was just like Anaheim. I worked so hard to prepare myself. When you're fighting, that's your business partner. Imagine you're playing the Kansas City Chiefs, and on Sunday, they just don't show up. Think about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We don't practice all week.

[Daniel Cormier]

That it just don't show up, right? But your game check is tied to them showing up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Now you're like, hey, man, you heard my business. I know what the first check looked like when we fought, right? I want that second check. And then by the end, hopefully we go a third time. You know what I'm saying? It's like, that was the hurt of it. And then it was UFC 200, man, we was on. We were on Good Morning America together. It was big. And I was like, man, we need a. It was heart. I was heartbroken because it's not just me. It was my entire team that worked so hard to make sure I was prepared to fight that night. So, yeah, I said I'll sign whatever I need to. But Dana was like, come on. Dana was like, you can't do that. You could tell he didn't want to tell me that. You could tell. It was like. He was like, can I talk to you? I was like, what do you need me to. What do you need? I was staying at the MGM Signature because I always stayed, like, at that small little one on the side. He goes, can you come over to the arena right now? And I was like, why? I was like, it's two in the afternoon. He goes, I want you to. I have to talk to you about something really important. So I walk over with my team and he's in the back in that hallway and he tells me. And he goes, we have to talk to the media. I was like, damn this. Everything's in place. And I didn't know. I was still just going about my day, like I was gonna go cut weight to make for the fight. And he was like, you have to address the media. It was horrible. I was up there crying and shit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I know people, man. Dc. What you crying for?

[Daniel Cormier]

DC Crying. You can make a difference in someone's.

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[Daniel Cormier]

Every time. All these need to do is cry. They got me crying multiple times.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you drive home from from or did you fly after you found out that the flying.

[Daniel Cormier]

No, no, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I fought.

[Daniel Cormier]

I fought. Remember? I fought Anderson Silva. Two days later they got Anderson to fight. Yeah. Which was good. I actually, I got to fight Anderson Silva, which was awesome. But thank God Anderson said yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Not many people would have done it. No, no, not two days. No two days.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But is it hard because you're fighting? Because I've seen people take fights on short Notice and kick the other fighter ass because he's not prepared to fight that guy. You prepared to fight a guy with one style, and this guy has a different style, and you like. And something bad could have happened. So I was surprised you even took that.

[Daniel Cormier]

So I took the fight because I want. Dude, I wanted to fight bad. When you want to fight, you want the check. You want the check, but you want to fight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? Right. Because that's what you do.

[Daniel Cormier]

I took all that weight. I was already £215. Like, I don't want to go through all that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

And then two months, they go, you got to do it again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

Because as a champion, I would fight two times a year, max. Yeah, Right. So I'm like, I don't want to have to go through that again. So I would. I fought Anderson, and it wasn't a great fight, because, again, I was so nervous.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

Dude, I was in the Octagon. I looked across, and I was like, the very first UFC I ever went to. I went to Philadelphia to watch Anderson Silva beat Forrest Griffin. And, I mean, Anderson was flexing on him. He's, like, moving sideways, punching him with one hand. Forrest is just falling down. He finishes the guy that was the UFC light heavyweight champion. I was like, damn, this is crazy. I'm fighting Anderson. I'm in the octagon. I go to the middle. When I walk back to the side, shake. I look behind me and I said, oh, my God. That's actually Anderson Silver standing over there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like, seriously, I'm really fighting a legend.

[Daniel Cormier]

I'm really fighting Anderson Silver. Yeah. Yeah. That was the first. I've never had that happen to me in my. My life. It was always, somebody's got to die. Except for when I fought Anderson.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was like, you're like, I don't want to beat this, man.

[Daniel Cormier]

I got to fight Anderson Silva. But then once I got. Then I start trying to kick. No, sh. I never had that problem.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You. You don't take it easy.

[Daniel Cormier]

Dan Henderson was my idol. He was on the Olympic team. I choke him unconscious. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dc.

[Daniel Cormier]

I beat the. Out of him. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't feel bad?

[Daniel Cormier]

Hell, no. Somebody gotta die, Jay. Somebody gotta get it right. Will you play your brother in football if you play sturdy?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We grow.

[Daniel Cormier]

Oh, you wanna lose?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm trying to kill him. I'm trying to kill him. And we love and tell him about it afterwards. Yes. John retires, and everybody's like, hold on, bro. You retired? And then two weeks later, you talking about you in Protocol again. Testing protocol. Yeah, that pissed you off, didn't it?

[Daniel Cormier]

So when he retired, it, it, it didn't. I just wanted him to, I wanted to see him fight Tom Aspinall. I just want him, I wanted to see him fight Tom Aspinall. That good? He good, Shannon. He literally has everything you want in the heavyweight. He's big, he's physical, he can wrestle, he's fast. I, Michael Bisping once said to me, oh man, I'm telling he could be like Muhammad Ali, mma. I said, man, you going crazy. I said, you're a person that works at the company, you're a person that take people, take your opinion seriously.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Seriously.

[Daniel Cormier]

You cannot be that strong on one side. He goes, I swear it's true. He's fighting a guy named Sergei who had knocked out 10 straight people. Nobody could go around with Sergei. Tom Aspinall knocks him out in a round, walks into the thing and hugs Michael Bispink. I was like, I thought, I said Bisping, I thought you were like his advocate, you advocating for this dude. But I'm like, he's actually that good, right? And then he beats up on Curtis Blades. He beats everybody. And so when I think about it, I'm like, okay, now we get to see John because John and I did this thing called Counterpunch where he sat on one side, I sat on the other with Joe Rogan. And John said it was so, it was crazy because we just hated each other so much. We were just talking, right? John said to me, he said, at the end of the day, I'm better than you because I'm younger. He goes, you can't beat me in the basketball game. I go, well, that's debatable. You can't outswim me, you can't outrun me. He said, because every day you wake up, you're a day older and you look in the mirror and you see a 36 year old man. And I look in, I'm in my absolute prime, I'm 28. He said, you can't be better than me because the laws of life don't allow for a 36 year old man to be better than a 28 year old man when we're doing the same thing. Tom Aspinall is 30 now, Jon Jones is 38. I want to see it, I want to see it on the opposite side.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because he said, and he said, well, he should be favored because, you know, he's much younger. And I've heard you and other fighters say, well, you were, you were the whole Time the older guy gave you an opportunity.

[Daniel Cormier]

He dropped the ladder.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So return the favor and give this guy. You don't think there's any chance that Jon could beat him?

[Daniel Cormier]

I do. That's the problem. If I had. I said to my. I said, gun to my head, if I had to choose, I would probably say Jon Jones would win. Wow. It's all I've seen him do. I've seen him fight. He's right. He's everyone. This is always the next best guy. This guy's going to beat me. This guy's going to beat Jon Jones. And what does Jon do? He vanquishes him. He beats him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They said about Gustafson, they said about.

[Daniel Cormier]

Gusman, Said it about me. Said it about Rashad, Said it about Rampage. Said it about Cyril Gane. I mean, he dirtied Cyril Gahn up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, the man been away for 100 years and walked through Cyril G. Like Cyril Gan was me. That was embarrassing. Dc, that was embarrassing. Look, dc, that was embarrassing.

[Daniel Cormier]

I be trying to stay off of Cyril, man. Cause I like Cyril. Yo. When Cyril was on the ground and he looked at him like. I was like. He looked like he saw a ghost. He was so in awe of Jon that he couldn't even compete with him. I was like, bro, he about to fight for the world title again. Imagine if. Imagine if Cyril gone winning. John go, okay, okay, I'm back. Yeah, boy, that'll piss somebody off. That would piss people off. Because if Cyril beats Tom. Cause he's. Cyril is that good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He is.

[Daniel Cormier]

He's that good. He could beat Tom Aspinall.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, but Dana. Dana ain't gonna let that happen.

[Daniel Cormier]

What if Jon's like, yo, yeah, all right, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, Dana won't let that happen. Dana will not let John come back and fight Cyrod for the heavyweight title. He like, no, no, no. You gotta fight. You gotta fight.

[Daniel Cormier]

Ultimate move of all time. I would laugh at that. I would be happy. Like John D. You. You'll be cold for that one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, okay. You say you can't put John as. As your goat. Give me a Mount Rushmore fighters.

[Daniel Cormier]

Demetrius Johnson. Okay. George St. Pierre.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Daniel Cormier]

Khabib. Khabib was undefeated. Nobody beat him. Fourth. God, that's where it gets tough. That's where it gets tough because you feel like you want to put. Like, when we talk about just accomplishments, no one's more accomplished than Amanda Nunes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Daniel Cormier]

Can. Can I really put her on the Mount Rushmore of fighting? But George, Demetrius Khabib, God, there's Some good guys. Chuck Liddell was good, man. Chuck Liddell is kind of responsible for us being here. Randy Couture won two titles in his bracket. I think that fourth place would belong to one of those guys. I think somebody like that, because I. I can't put. I would never put myself up there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, right, right.

[Daniel Cormier]

But I'm like, right in that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

Four to seven range.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I thought you might put Anderson.

[Daniel Cormier]

Anderson had the. Anderson had the steroids. Yeah, right. Like, I can't put Anderson. Like, I would like to put Anderson. If I'm saying all those guys included, then obviously John and Anderson are on that Mount Rushmore. But I don't do that. I don't. I refuse to. It's not in fighting. Barry Bonds was a Hall of Famer before he even went to San Francisco.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct?

[Daniel Cormier]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

Plus, he's hitting with a baseball bat. He's not punching someone right in the face.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Women fighters, what did. What did Ronda Rousey do for mma?

[Daniel Cormier]

Everything for women. Dana on record said, I will never have women fighting in the UFC or something very close to that. Then Rhonda came along, and she just opened up the floodgates.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

And now Dana goes very. In his life. Very rarely does he make decisions where he's like, I really messed up. He openly goes, ronda Rousey coming in and making me take on female fighting is one of the best decisions I've ever made, because it gave me Amanda Nunes, it gave me Zhang Weili, Valentina Shevchenko. It's like, all these women have an opportunity because of Ronda. No. Ronda Rousey. Like, I don't know if women still today fight in the ufc. That's how important she is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Could she have been better?

[Daniel Cormier]

I think she was at the right time also.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

The girls just weren't well rounded enough to compete with her.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And when she got somebody that was well rounded, they.

[Daniel Cormier]

They. You saw what Amanda did to her.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I saw Holly Holmes kicked in the head.

[Daniel Cormier]

Holly kicked her in the head.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was probably the beginning of the end, wasn't it?

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah. You know, again, like, you know, when it's done, but at the end is when the money gets better than it's ever been. So, yeah, she couldn't have beat him if she couldn't have beaten Holly. She was not going to beat Amanda.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Daniel Cormier]

But I think it was just such a great pull to have her back that she didn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You mentioned this, the UFC at the White House, Dana. Look, I was at the. When they had it at the Sphere.

[Daniel Cormier]

Oh, you went, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I went. It was. It was amazing. It was amazing. And I wouldn't put anything. If Dana say they gonna have a fight on the moon. I don't know what airline flying to the moon, but it's gonna happen.

[Daniel Cormier]

It's gonna happen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If he says they're gonna have it on the White House lawn now, I don't know how they gonna pat everybody down and frisk everybody, do background checks, because. And maybe it's just closed circuit and there really only a handful of staff there.

[Daniel Cormier]

No, no, I think it's gonna be an event. They said they want 20,000 in there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

@ the White House.

[Daniel Cormier]

At the White House. They got an Easter egg hunt at the White House where they put 28,000 on the east.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But them kids.

[Daniel Cormier]

I didn't. Hey, Shannon, I swear to God, Shannon, I swear to God, I was not believing it until I saw that they have that Easter egg hunt there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

I was like, wow. Well, then it's possible, because right now, when Trump goes to a fight, we get background checks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

The night before they go to the arena, they're sweeping. They sweep it the morning of the fight before he shows up. I don't know. But I told Dana this recently. We were in New Orleans, and I said, you're going to the White House for real? He goes. I said, because you said, we got a year. We're a year away.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

He was talking about. He was talking about something on an interview. And he goes, we still got a year. The world's gonna change in MMA by that point. I said, you're speaking in definites. I go, this is happening. Yeah, we're gonna go watch a fight at the White House. That's crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Daniel Cormier]

Fights at the White House. No, we got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So we got to. You got to put Jon Jones.

[Daniel Cormier]

Call Cap. But I'm calling him Captain America. But somebody got to win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Dana don't. But Dana wants for sure thing knows that guys are going to be he can count on.

[Daniel Cormier]

I think. I think he's going to fight at the White House. He has to. He has to fight at the White House.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Aspinall.

[Daniel Cormier]

Joe. I mean, I don't know why he won't fight this dude. I. I said this the other day. If I was still fighting, I'd have fought Tom Aspinall already. I just would have did it. Like, the bigger the challenge, the better. It's like, go prove yourself. But I don't know why he'll do it, but he might have to fight Tom Aspinall. Like you said, Dana's gonna make him fight Tom.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, how much money would they need for DC to come out of retirement to fight in the White House? Yeah, I cannot fight. They got 20 million for you.

[Daniel Cormier]

I'm still not doing it. Shannon say, I can't train. I can't train. I go, dude, I'm doing CrossFit. I do live. I. I was just today practicing how I'm do sumo deadlifts. I'm like, I'm doing sumo deadlifts. I'm like, that's. I'm just getting excited to go do my sumo deadlifts. J. I can't fight because I can't. I can't. I was, I was sparring the other day. I started. I started a team, okay, of guys that I'm training, helping Create their careers. I was sparring. One of them punched me in my rib with a straight right hand. Boom. Right here, dude. It was the most painful shot I taken. My rib come out, right? My rib come out. I'm in pain, Shannon. I can't get off my couch. I'm just like. Every time I get off my couch, I'm rolling to my knees to then push up because I can't squeeze my core, right. Every time I squeeze, my cord hurts, man. I go take a nap. I'm just sleeping, I guess. And because I'm sleeping, rolling. I sleep. I roll over the top of it, pop it back in place. But I'm like, I couldn't do this every day like I used to. I always had separated ribs or black eyes, and I just couldn't do that anymore. This life is too comfortable, what I do now, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You make a good living. You don't need to go. Big punch, kick.

[Daniel Cormier]

I don't want to fight no more, man. Plus, like, come on, go put some pads on. Go tackle somebody. Nah, nah, nah. You know what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You want to ask me two artificial heels bone. Boom, boom. I'm.

[Daniel Cormier]

The pain is too great. I think that's what people take for granted, like, how great the pain is that we endure to do what we did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

It sucks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, before I got my hips replaced, dc, I just thought the pain that I was in was normal because I had dealt with it for so long.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you get. And you like, okay, this is my new normal. And then the doctor says, no, you don't have to live like that.

[Daniel Cormier]

How much better does it feel?

[Shannon Sharpe]

A thousand.

[Daniel Cormier]

Really?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, there was no position that I could get in that was comfortable. If I lay down, it hurt. If I stood, if it hurt, it walked. It hurt. Sitting hurt. Standing too long, it hurt. There was no position in which my body didn't hurt. My hips didn't hurt.

[Daniel Cormier]

That's bad. I got. I don't have that. Thank God. I don't have that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

Cause that shit seems so bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What about Conor McGregor at the White House?

[Daniel Cormier]

Okay. Shit, man. It's over, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's over for him.

[Daniel Cormier]

It's over, dog. Man, this dude, Conor McGregor, he's tripping. Conor McGregor's tripping.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He made too much money. Huh?

[Daniel Cormier]

He made way too much. He went from plumbing to making. He sold that liquor for what, 500 million?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

It's too much, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got 100 million for fighting Floyd.

[Daniel Cormier]

Got 100 million for fighting Floyd. Then he was doing pay per Views like nothing. Him and Khabib did 2 and a half million pay per views. These dudes, he made too much money. Conor says he wants to fight all the time, and everybody kind of. They jump to it. But it's like he wants to stay relevant, right? He wants to stay in the news. He wants to stay. He wants the notoriety of being Conor McGregor without having to be Conor McGregor. And that kind of sucks, because when he was the man, I bet you tapped in. I bet you tapped into the UFC more than that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause he could sell a fight.

[Daniel Cormier]

He could sell a fight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He could sell it.

[Daniel Cormier]

But him and Khabib was the best.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you think he was just one dimensional? And that's why he was good.

[Daniel Cormier]

He was very good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But when they got him on the ground, dc, he couldn't get up.

[Daniel Cormier]

They couldn't get him on the ground.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they did.

[Daniel Cormier]

Khabib got him on the ground. That Khabib was a different personal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like, him and Khabib really didn't like each other. That's per. You know, sometimes you like, oh, we just selling the fight. But it seemed that it was. It was a little more to it. Like he, like Khabib, sincerely and genuinely did not like Conor.

[Daniel Cormier]

He hates. He won't say his name still today, he still does not say his name.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because of what he said about his religion and about his dad.

[Daniel Cormier]

He still won't say his name. Last week, he did an interview in New York. He says, this guy, he'll never say his name. He hates him. Dude, they're in the octagon. And Conor goes. He whispers after the third round, after Khabib's, it's just business. Khabib goes, no, it ain't. No, it ain't. You don't mess with them dudes, man. Them Russian dudes. Different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then when he had him, the ref had to do a little bit extra. Dc, you saw that. Dc.

[Daniel Cormier]

He was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He wasn't gonna let him go.

[Daniel Cormier]

He was gonna put him to sleep. Shannon. He was holding him and he said, I kicked your ass. I kicked your ass. And he kind of was like. Then he jumped over the fence.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

And tried to beat his team. He thought he was. I was like, whoa. But, dude, he had him. He was not going to let him go because he felt so. His family got so disrespected by this dude that he wanted to end him. And honestly, sometimes you bite off more than you can chew.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

Cause Conor got beat bad that night.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He did.

[Daniel Cormier]

He got beat bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, but here's the thing that shocked a lot of people.

[Daniel Cormier]

But Conor made Khabib. He really did make Khabib the biggest, bigger.

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[Daniel Cormier]

Star.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, like we talked about, right?

[Daniel Cormier]

Me and Jones, he, Khabib went from. I think he had 2 or 3 million followers on Instagram the next morning. 10 million. Wow. After that fight and all that happened. 10 million. Crazy. 7 million a night. That's a big jump.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think Khabib would come out of retirement?

[Daniel Cormier]

Khabib told me we did a thing a while back where Khabib said they offered him $40 million to fight. He said no, he ain't coming back. If they offered him 40 million, he hasn't come back yet. He ain't coming back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Daniel Cormier]

No. I bet in Dagestan you can make a million dollars and be good for the rest of your life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

Right in that place.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, if they offered Khabib 40 million, what'd they offer Jon Jones to fight Aspinall?

[Daniel Cormier]

I think they offer. John said he wanted 30 and I think they got the money. They got 30 for me. And he said no, they got 30 for me. And he said, hey, let me tell you something. I just told you, I'm barbecue meat. 30.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All of a sudden you don't hurt shit.

[Daniel Cormier]

I might test positive after it's over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What is it about? What is about Dagestan that the guys that are. They can wrestle now? Look, I've seen somebody follow some of like those wrestler wrestlers. Yeah, they really. I'm talking about those guys that go to the Olympics. That's a whole different level of wrestling.

[Daniel Cormier]

Them dudes, how did they get so good? They just so over there, they Put them in wrestling. They put them in both styles. Then at like, 5, 6 years old, they identify, like, where a kid's gonna be better, and that's all they do all the way up through school. Khabib and Islam started doing sambo when they were super young together, Right. With his dad. So their whole life, they did combat sambo. Combat sambo was actually like guitops, punching, grappling. Like, they were essentially doing MMA as, like, kids.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

And then just keep getting better. I think. I think. I think for my son, right, to have the mentality that I have or had, it's impossible. His life's too comfortable.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, okay.

[Daniel Cormier]

His life's too comfortable. You and your brother and to your children, they can't even make themselves think like you did growing up, where you grew up and how you grew up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

So it's like they. They all live like that. Because while khabib. I want to see Khabib's son and then the next Islam's son, then we could see if how it does over there. Because for them, it was the way to live.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

And change all of their lives, everybody's lives.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

Just like us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Right. It's like, yes. We're almost, like, desperate. When my kids like playing football, and he's like, I want to do this, and I want to do this. I go, well, you got to be at every practice. You got to go with your individual coach. Like, you got to go on Sunday, whenever you go, do all your speed and agility.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

You have to get up early in the morning to lift weights. I go, because while you are living where you live and how you live, there's a kid like me that's doing the same thing, but without the fallback of what my dad did to make sure that I'm okay when all this is done. So I don't know that we can. How does Christian McCaffrey develop the mentality that his father had? Unless his father came with a whole promotion. You know, Ed, maybe he had a whole bunch of money, but I don't know. How does he develop that mentality?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm a firm believer. When I look at the Mannings.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Them, Archie Manning and Peyton and Eli.

[Daniel Cormier]

They just teach him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I mean, it's something special for you to forget your dad to have and says, nah, I want to get it. See, I still have a healthy respect for Bronnie.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because he still, you know, the likelihood of you having a historically or transcendent great parent and then the child be equally as transcendent. And great. It's just not going to happen. If King Griffey Sr. Was a good baseball player, but he wasn't Junior.

[Daniel Cormier]

No, he wasn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bobby Barnes was an unbelievable player. He wasn't Barry.

[Daniel Cormier]

Nope.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nope. And so to ask Kareem had son Magic got son to ask their son, their prodigy, to be just what your dad. It ain't happening.

[Daniel Cormier]

So for the dad, for Ken Griffey Jr. And Barry, their dads were good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. They just weren't them.

[Daniel Cormier]

They weren't them. So the second one was better.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

But to ask the next one to be better than the one. That's the greatest.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just imagine Barry Bond's son being Barry Bonds were better.

[Daniel Cormier]

No, it's like. It's like Vladimir Guerrero.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

He was really good. But his son now is. With the same name.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

With the same name. Better than his dad. That's crazy. So for him to have another one that does. That will be very hard.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

But like. So where's. Like, where's Peyton's son? Where's Eli's son? Peyton said his son went to his camp a couple weeks ago. I saw that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

But is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's going to be. It's going to be. I mean, come on.

[Daniel Cormier]

It's going to be hard.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Tom has a son.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you. But here's the thing.

[Daniel Cormier]

But it's the other son.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

It's his other son.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. So just imagine Tom Brady, Tom Brady's son Benjamin being as good as Tom. God ain't fit to bless you like that, bro. I'm sorry. He ain't been to bless you like that.

[Daniel Cormier]

I don't think so, man. It's hard.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

But they get like, like. But even for LeBron James Jr.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

LeBron James Jr. To be in the NBA, it's nuts. And then to have another one that's supposed to be even better than the other one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. But to expect them. And I think the thing is, LeBron's done everything right. Yes. But to expect a child to be LeBron or Kareem's son to be him, or Magic son to be him. Come on, bro. That's not to happen.

[Daniel Cormier]

LeBron James Jr. If he can go in. If he can stay in the league for 10 years, that to me would be astounding because. And he will. He will.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

But to be in there 10 years after what your dad did, with all that pressure, from the moment he picked up a basketball, there was pressure on him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because the expectation, you got to be.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because everybody know who Your dad is.

[Daniel Cormier]

My son would wrestle and I would see people. I just, I just, My kid just beat DC's son. I'm like, but that ain't DC. It's not. You didn't, right? I just beat DC's boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I had Kevin Griffey Jr. On, and when his son Trey was coming up, he played baseball. And the people in the stand would say, he ain't his dad. And his dad would say, name five people who are who.

[Daniel Cormier]

Ooh, I like that. So what would they say then?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They couldn't say anything. I mean, y' all weren't, you know, he was an mvp.

[Daniel Cormier]

I mean, he, he did everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. He's one of the greatest. He's one of the greatest players. I mean, the sweetest swing ever, 600 home. Come on.

[Daniel Cormier]

He ain't going to be him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, it's okay. But the kid has to accept that that is okay. And a lot of people, you, you were having, we were having a conversation about my brother. I embraced it. See, I never lived in the shadow. I embraced it. Every number he had, I got the exact same number. He was three in high school, I was three in high school, he was two in college, I was two in college, he was 84, I was 84. For every car that he had, I got. So I never looked at life. And when people told me, man, you're not going to be like your brother.

[Daniel Cormier]

Like, watch, watch me, watch. But not many people have that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, they, they show up.

[Daniel Cormier]

Not many people have that dog in them like that. Like, there's, there's a dog about that mentality that most people don't have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Especially kid, especially a kid that wakes up and he's sleeping in a beautiful home with everything he had ever want in his life. Like, it's hard for that kid to go, yeah, my kid gets up in the morning at 6:33 days a week and he lifts weights, right? My kid does wrestling practice at 2 o' clock in the afternoon. Then he goes to football practice at 5:30 in the afternoon. He does that four days a week. Then on Sundays, he meets with, with his private coach to do football training, right? Where he does speed, agility, he catches passes, he goes through his coverages and his reads, right? For me, that's my son going, dad, I want to try to do something great. I said, pop, if it works, awesome. If it doesn't, you gave yourself a chance.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it.

[Daniel Cormier]

You took advantage of every opportunity you had. Everything that we have accrued, you use to try to better Yourself, Right. If it works, great. If it doesn't, you never skipped out on the work.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

That's all I care about, and I'm fine with that. And maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. But he's given himself a chance, even though he doesn't have to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

That's what I love.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Good. Let me ask you this. How did you and Khabib become such great fans?

[Daniel Cormier]

That's my boy right there, man. He walked into the gym. He walked into the gym by himself. King Mo Lawal brought him from New Jersey. He wanted to come and train with all the wrestlers. Barely spoke a lick of English. Walked in the gym, stayed at Extended Stay America, right up the street from AKA and he would walk back and forth by himself from the hotel to the practice. And on his first day, I was like, oh, a little Russian kid. Because I spent a lot of time there when I was wrestling. We started kind of talking a little bit, and it just. It grew. And then I just understand how much of a. He's like a really good human being. He's a good person. Real strong values, and he's the best. I think he's the best fighter ever.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Really?

[Daniel Cormier]

I do. Yeah, I do. I. I saw a kid that came in there with limited striking. He told you exactly what he was gonna do every single time, and he did it. He was beating Michael Johnson up one time, telling him, brother, you know, I deserve a title fight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

You need to give up, like, yeah, that's how dominant he is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you sat in the pocket with Conor and knocked Conor down.

[Daniel Cormier]

Knocked him down. After Connor had boxed Floyd Mayweather for nine rounds, he stood with him and knocked him down. Yeah, I think he's the best man. I think he's. He just stands for something so much bigger than just fighting. And I think he. Like, I think he. I think he. I think he. I think he obviously elevates the people around him, which is very important. But he also is like a. He's like a guiding light for a lot of people that follow him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

And he does things the right way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. There's this viral clip going around that he refuses to shake this lady's hand out of respect for his wife.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep. And his religion. And if you know his religion, that's the way it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the way it is.

[Daniel Cormier]

Right. But not many men are willing to do that, especially in that moment.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

Right. Kate Scott. Kate Scott. She's a great analyst.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

But I think the reason it got so odd was because that kid reacted the way that he did. There was a YouTube kid that was up there with him, and he kind of was like, oh, my God, like, speed. I show speed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

And the way he acted was like. Because he shook everyone's hand, but then he just politely said. And then I'm pretty sure he explained it to her afterwards.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

And then. But again, it's live. It's live tv. Right. Things happen. But that's respect to his wife and then obviously, honestly, respect to Kate. It's actually a respectful gesture to the person.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Daniel Cormier]

You're refusing to shake hands because he, as a married man, should not shake the hand of another woman.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow. What separate Russian fighters from American fighters?

[Daniel Cormier]

I don't think that. I don't think that. I don't think that is much more to it than just the. The. That. That need to change their lives. Yeah, right. Their need. I mean, even. Even not. Not. I'm not talking homeless, like, I'm not talking, like transient people that are living on the street, but even our upbringing, even mine, where I lived in small house after small house when I was younger.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

Then my parents did all they could to move us into a big house to where they bought their first house for $10,000. It wasn't a great house, but it was theirs. That's still better than what they have over there. They're like, it's all concrete. Just concrete stuff. So, yeah, it's like, I think it's just that mentality of need to get better that allows for those guys to kind of just elevate themselves a little more. Because even my upbringing, and I thought that I had it tough, was better than what they have there. You know, what people are willing to do to change their lives.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For sure.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two is also posted and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listened to part one on. Just simply go back to Club Shay Shay profile and I'll see you there.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on.

[Daniel Cormier]

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[Daniel Cormier]

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