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You're listening to an iHeart podcast.
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Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway. Who shocked you the most that they left? Have you been surprised by anyone that they ended up leaving?
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Not big names, no. Not on the talent side. I had, like, a guy who was like, worked for the go. Went and worked for the world Empire State Building. That's. It's like you're going to work for bricks. That surprised me. But not. Not on the talent side because again, we pay really competitively, really well, and we're a good place to work.
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I'm gonna give you of the talent that you've lost. I'm gonna give you the opportunity to bring one of them back. You can pay them what they're getting, but you only get one. You only get one McAfee caller. Daddy bussing with the boys. Caleb, are they gonna.
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The question would be, well, do I know everything about him that I know right now?
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Yep.
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Will Compton, no doubt.
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Wow. So will it be the guy that you'd be willing to break the bank for if you could break. Say, you know what the guy said, you know what? If you give him X, we can set. We can save it, we can sell it.
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Yeah. Yeah, it'll be. Well, the reason is I think he's the most loves barstool the most. Like, we get. You know, I'll get people put in front of me and they're stars a lot of times, like, well, are they. Are they bought into what we do? Do they want to, like, be in these stupid. Like, we had a skills competition like Gruden last night announcing it happy or are they their own thing? Like, that's why I didn't say McAfee. McAfee is a supernova, but he's. He's got a lot of interest, and he's wwe. He's this, like, we want guys who are like, you know, where they all in with.
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Yeah.
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It's like I. I want to be here in the doors the more I. So that's why I'd say, well, okay.
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I. I like that, Dan. Big Cats bringing in William weekly listeners. I mean, I'm. I'm looking at this, bro. I. I just don't. I still don't.
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I'm.
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I figured it out, and I've been looking at it. I'm like, how do you create this?
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So that's. That. That is the number one sports ca. Sports podcast I say of all time, like, for the longevity. They're doing it. The numbers. He's maybe the most unappreciated Guy because he never went to a mainstream network. He's just a super talented, super hard working guy and people love him and PFT is wildly talented. Right time, right place. And it exploded. And I mean, you know how hard it is to do stuff. Like a lot of people come into this and they think it's you throw your glove on the field and the thing will be successful.
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A lot of work it is. People think you need. All you need is a camera and a microphone and that's it.
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Yeah, so these guys work their asses off. They've changed the whole way. A lot of people do podcasts and people used to not put stuff, stuff out on Mondays till after NFL Sunday. These guys were at the office after the games. So they're just super talented, super hardworking and early.
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How did you two meet?
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He was a fan. So when I expanded outside of Boston, I said we're looking for guys in different cities. He applied.
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B
How do you treat loyalty? Because it seems like to me, number one thing, you, you're a very loyal guy. And, and this, I think it's the. For you. And I'm just sitting here talking to you and I don't really. I didn't know you before we sit down, I still don't know you, but I'm having a conversation with you as I and I talk to you. Loyalty is the foundation of which everything you do.
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Number one thing. Number one thing, if you're loyal to me, I'll be wildly, I mean wildly loyal to you. But if you look at us, we've had guys who've been here like employee number one still there. People have made millions when we did equity deals just on like handshakes and it's a two way street. And that's why I think in a lot of ways been respectful. That's also gets me trouble sometimes because I feel like I've been crossed. You know, you may hit me with a feather and I come back with like a sledgehammer, like an equal thing. But yeah, loyalty is a huge part of. I don't know why. That's just my personality.
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B
What happened to the ESPN deal? You had the ESPN deal and you mentioned earlier that you, you, they, they canceled it after one show.
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Yeah, they did. So here real quick. Dan and I used to do a podcast basically when no one knew who we were. And we talk college football.
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B
Okay.
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So at the time, Sam Ponder just took over for Erin Andrews. We're watching and she had a kid. The kid was on the podcast. We made crass jokes about her we're like, nobody wants to see your kids, Sam. We want to see you slotted up. That's what I said, something to that effect.
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B
Okay.
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By the way, I stand by like guys, I watch us here. Pretty slotted up. Whatever. This was the Wild West. I didn't even know he said it. Fast forward five years, they get the show and there was a rebellion within espn. Like you know what these guys said about you back in the day and I think there was so much pressure they canceled the show. Who is the agent of hers who started. He's a big deal. Khan. Nick Khan. Yeah. And then he asked.
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He's the WWE now.
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Yeah. He asked me to fight in New York like three weeks after it happened. I sent. I go, do you think I don't know what the just happened at espn? Like I know who complained. Yeah. So that's what happened with espn, bro.
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How the hell do you sell a company for five for over half a bill and then buy it back for a buck?
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It's one of the great trades of all time.
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So better than the Louisiana Purchase?
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Yeah, it was. So we were sold to a gambling company? Yes, gambling super regulated. You need licenses. If of our state regulator in Indiana doesn't like you, you're in trouble. Yes, I'm a controversial guy. It was definitely creating issues for Penn getting licenses. They had an opportunity to do this deal with ESPN and I think they're like, you know, we're not the right holder for barstool. Rather than go to war with me that we're friends, they're like, this just didn't work. Essentially it was losing money at the time. So we, we cut that deal. I got the company back. I think they would have taken it. A lot of people would have lost their jobs because there wasn't a need for a lot of what we have. Idiots. Like, what are they going to do if they lose their job? They've done nothing else. So it was a bunch of factors all coming together again. It worked out for me. Right time, right?
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Yeah. How do you.
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But for a dollar, you can't give it to somebody. It's going to be an official sale dollar.
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Why not? Okay. Why not? 100 million? Okay. They would have lost 450 million, but.
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Damn, I wouldn't pay 100 million for it.
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B
You wouldn't have?
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No. And I look at like this, I knew we were a lot. It's like I'm the guy like Dan's with me. Like it. You need me bought in on whatever you're doing with barstool No, I wouldn't have paid 100.
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B
Well, why. Why they didn't sell it to another company?
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You'd need me in that probably, too. Like, what if you sell that to a company I don't like, and it's like, hey, this thing, my baby that I've been working on 20 years maybe my. Right. Yeah. They liked us. And it's like, I don't think they wanted to create a war, especially in the scheme of what they did with espn. Like, this was kind of a small. They're a billion dollar company then. So in the scheme of their world, it's like, we get along with them. Let's do right by them.
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B
So let me get this straight. That wasn't the first time that you sold barstool?
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Second.
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Second. First sale was to the churning group, Peter Cherning, right?
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Yep.
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Rupert Murdoch's longtime second in command for 15 million with 1551% equity. The second sale to the Pen Group, 163 million, 36% of the company. The third sale, Pen Group, 388 million, 100% of the company. You said you never sell barstool again in the deal.
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We did. If I sell it again, pen gets 50% of the proceeds. So that right off the bat, kind of prevents it. And we're doing great. Like, I. I didn't love living in someone else's world, so, you know, I like where we're at now. If you want to write me a check for a billion, I'll read like, you know. Yeah. Never say never, Bill Parcells. I reserve the right to change my mind.
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B
Do you have to sell a company to become super rich in America or.
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Be in finance like those finance guys.
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Who are trading or private equity?
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Yeah.
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You know, when you buy for a little, you know, you get on the bottom, like Google or something like that. Netflix.
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Those guys. Those guys. I mean, next level, but yeah. Yeah, I think you do.
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Can I ask you this? Why don't you think you can be canceled? Because you said some pretty. You present some pretty. Some pretty outlandish things.
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If you back up a couple, if you give people an inch, they'll take a mile. You can't apologize for things that you don't think you've really up or said bad things about, which I haven't really done. I stand by almost everything I've said. I think some things may be out of context, misconstrued. But if you have a fan base that knows you, that truly knows you, and mine does for, like, they've been following for 20 years. They'll. They'll have your back, provided, you know, I don't think we've ever done anything out of hate, out of misery, out of anything.
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B
You don't believe. You don't feel that you've done anything maliciously.
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I know I haven't done anything maliciously. And again, I. I. Perfect example. And I know you're a Caitlin Clark fan. I've seen.
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B
I am.
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I live for Caitlin Clark. I ignited to a degree. I want to say the race aspect of Angel Reese versus Caitlin. I will go to my grave. There was no race fund. I watched the national championship. I bet on Iowa. I'm a Caitlin Clark fan. I thought what Angel Reese did at the game was classless. Nothing to do with the color of his skin. I tweeted that and became a race. He's only said had nothing to do with that. I will stand forever. And I think the way they acted for a long time where Caitlin didn't say a word and she's taking bullets like they are coming out, that's not a race issue to me. For whatever reason, with me, like, Walton Gilly apologized for me. They're like, oh, we don't stand with Dave on that. Now. They told me they were going to do it.
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Right.
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But people, there's pressure outside. I will go to my grave. That's not. I'm never going to apologize for that because it wasn't malicious. I stand by it.
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Right.
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And by the way, the biggest enemies I got are white Roger De, Peyton Manning in the heat of the rival. So it's like, you can. I'm not going to cater if the outside world's going to take what I say and just be, oh, this is a racist. It's not. I hate LeBron. You know why I hate LeBron?
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Hate LeBron.
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We got to part ways because you.
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Know what Celtics LeBron were heated rivalry. And you know who hated LeBron more than I did? KG Rondo. Yeah. So, yes, I hate his guts. And that's a rivalry thing. So it is tough a lot of times, though, like, that. If I still show a picture, a video of Angel Reese, like air ball and a layup, people will be like, that's because it's a race. Like, no, it's because I love Caitlyn. I don't like her because they're rivals and that's sports.
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Do you think it was orchestrated? Do you think people actually write hit pieces or say things or do things to try to see you fail?
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Yes, 100% no doubt. I. That. That's not even. That's a fact. That. Is it going to get dark tonight? Yes. Factual statement. I know that's a fact, but why.
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B
What. What is. What is it that people get wrong about? Dave Point North?
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I think people get a lot of things wrong. I. I think I call it as I see it. But, I mean, I. I was the. I. I would say the victim of a pretty aggressive smear campaign, like, a couple years ago, like Business Insider. And when you say, do I think it's a coordinate attack. This is when we're part of pen. Two vicious hit pieces on me released the day before Penn's earnings. Like that. That. That's a hit piece. That's not. Hey, we really think. And I know the tactics went around reporting. I don't know. I. For that one, I thought maybe because I got involved in this GameStop, which, like that stock thing, and I was killing a lot of big wigs. So I. I have no idea. I think people get a little leery maybe, of voices that they feel like they can't control. Like it's, hey, we can't get this guy to say, whatever, he's a loose cannon or. I've offended people. I've said things like, I ran the owner of the Mets, Steve Cohen, off Twitter. Like, he. He deleted his account because I was hammering him during game time. I thought people be like, that's the worst enemy you could ever want in a million, billion years. We're. We're past it. But who knows? I really don't know. I used to have. I could see people. Idiot. I've had a lot of enemies. Yeah.
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B
Do you have a PR team?
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No. No.
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B
Do you have a lot of friends?
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Yeah. All my.
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Yeah.
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I don't believe in pr. Pr. I've. I've never. I don't want pr.
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Okay.
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P. P. PR is telling the truth.
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B
I've seen you popping bottles in the pool with companies and people that came for you. They go down.
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Correct.
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Why do. Why. Why do you. Why do you feel that you need to celebrate their demise? Not.
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It's not good enough. That's my personality. It's what fuels me. You know, Tom Brady's crying because he got passed over by six quarterbacks. I get fueled by people who doubted me, who. Or more. More accurately, for the bottles, who have gone out of their way to create difficulties for us, the company. It's never. I don't want someone to, like, die, but I want their professional life to be.
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You want the professional life to die? Not You, I don't want you to die, literally, but I want you like.
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Like Skipper is the perfect example. We had the bottle, we popped it, he canceled. I. You can cancel our show.
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B
Right.
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But to not call us, be like, hey, we're having a cop. I found out on the tv. Like, I found out. He never told us that. To me, it's like, all right, you're dead to me now. It's. That's how you're going to treat this? We've been talking to you for a year and a half, right. And you don't even tell us the show is canceled. Wow.
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B
How dirty can this business get? Is it a dirty business, media?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's real dirty. But I mean, again, there's certain.
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I did you know it was this kind of, this kind of way before you got really, like.
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No, I don't know. As much as, like, the internal art, I think our company is not overly like, what goes on at an ESPN internal. I don't know. I've heard rumors it's pretty dirty, but there's different elements of it. Like, I don't concern. I've. I ended up getting in, like, the politics realm a little bit. That's a scary, dirty business. Like, that's, I think, a lot of the hate that comes my way. That's a hell of a lot dirtier than anything media.
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Right. I saw this, the situation going on at Fox. Skip Joy, this hair stylist, new sheen and use like be accused. Shouldn't listen to their lawyers. If I didn't do anything wrong, if I didn't say anything wrong, I'm going to shout it from the tallest building I can because I want everybody to know I ain't have. This is not me. And I did not do what I'm being accused of doing.
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Yeah. I 100% believe that I've been accused of. I didn't do. And I mean, I went instantly because I knew I didn't do it. I think a lot of times people are told, even our company, my lawyers would be like, don't say. It's like, I'm not going to hit, perjure myself because I'm telling the truth.
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B
Right.
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I think a lot of companies don't give a about their employees in that situation. Fox, I'm sure the lawyers are really.
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B
Like, don't say absolutely.
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Yeah.
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You're part of a lawsuit, bro.
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Yeah. And guess what? They're not looking out for you. They don't go about you. They care about Fox.
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B
Absolutely.
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If you're Innocent, there's no friends. I would, I would scream it.
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B
But you also like, Jason Whitlock came for you. So how do you feel about clown?
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Jason went with locks clap. Jason Whitlock is on the record as being. I love Dave Porter. Dave Portnoy is the best. He's. This Jason Whitlock is a click chasing clown.
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B
Oh, really? You don't say, yeah, he's out there calling that girl.
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A
What do you say? Big like butter sugar.
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B
Peanut butter skin with those, with that rat in the next sentence.
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A
You said that like, what are you talking about?
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B
Have you ever met him?
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Never. He. You know what, He's. He knows my name. He. He's got me a couple times to his credit, but he's just fishing. He's taking his little pole. He's like, maybe he'll bite and I'll get some clicks.
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Right?
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I try to ignore it. I tell people, actually, don't send me bad stuff about me because I have a hard time ignoring it. I don't even want to know it exists.
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But you do realize that when you do, when you, when you respond to people that take shots at you, you giving them content, they're lazy because they can't create content on their own. So let, well, let me hope I can. He can feed me.
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Yeah. And my Achilles heel is I don't give a. It's like, it's like, I know I'm being played here. I know he's getting clicks, but this guy, I mean, he's a clown.
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B
Your form Michael Rappaport clown too. Damn.
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A
Are you friend with him? He's a crazy person.
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You know, we go back and forth. I like Mike, you know, we, we convert. Not even. I haven't talked to him since I left Fox. But you know, he, you know, he's LeBron. I like LeBron. He doesn't like LeBron. And so we go back and forth, we have healthy conversation, healthy banter. But I, I don't. Like I said, I don't really know.
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We had a huge falling out, so we hired him. I thought he was super talented, right? Like he had this rant on draft pick of the Knicks, but we had a huge fallen out. He essentially seriously said that all our fans were idiots and stupid and I had to let him go. I was still friends with him at the. Like, I'm like, I'm sorry. We can't have you insulting our entire fan base.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And still work friendly, right side.
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B
Why would he say that?
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He was in a fight with another one of our employees. And it spiraled. So I woke up to this huge thing of him just killing our fan base.
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Well, why did he just have. If he had an issue with the guy that worked in the company, why not take it out on the guy?
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Should have.
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What the fans got to do with.
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A
Should have. Sure. We wouldn't ever have him falling out. Then after that, he started coming at me, which I don't care. He's like, you know, I want to fight Dave. I actually sent. I can't even lift my shoulder. I sent him a contract to fight him in this boxing thing he had, because he said, I want to do it. But fine. All that talking. And then he sued us. So he sued us for saying we defamed him. It's like, dude, you. You started the whole thing. So ended up in. I had to go to, like, a deposition for it. It's crazy. He calls himself the king of talk, and then he was suing us over talk.
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B
Wow. Crazy. Let me ask you this. How have you been able to. To secure major sponsorship brands when a lot of people boycott? Like, look, y' all with barstool, y' all with port. No. How have you been able to do that, Dave?
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I think that's shifted because we've come more. We've come fairly mainstream at this time. And you look, it's like, well, we had all this talent. That's one. The entire media is moving our way. Like, I mean, I. Again, I've heard the stuff you talk about on your show. It's not too different from anything we talk about on our show. So it's become more mainstream and we deliver. So you have those things, and we do right by our clients. Like, I remember what I want. Never mind.
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B
Not telling what happened.
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A
No, no, I'm not telling. No way.
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B
I mean, this is your opportunity.
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A
Nope.
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B
How do you decide who you partner with? Anybody that comes with a bag.
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A
No, no, it's not just that, because it goes back to what you just said of. We. We tell them, do you know who we are? Do you know what Dave is? Do you know what he does? Pizza. Do you know pmt? Like, be secure with what barstool is? Because we don't want somebody at the first sign of trouble who's like, what's going on here? Because that is bad for them, bad for us. So we gotta find the right partners. There's a lot of them now. And again, it's crazy because I think we haven't done anything. Really. When you really look at what we've said and done and Then look at other things that have been said and like, like Shaq with Angel Reese when he's like, I want to see her playing in her underwear and, like, run up. If I said that, I'd be in jail.
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B
Oh, yeah, for sure.
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In jail.
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B
Are we gonna see more of these deals? We saw the Kelsey brothers get this big deal. We saw caller call you call her daddy. Get. Get this big deal. Rogan is at top of the food chain. He just got another, what, quarter of a billion dollar deal. Are we going to see more of these deals?
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A
Yeah, I think so, but, yeah, I do. Yeah. I mean, you're picking top of the food chain guys, right?
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B
Yeah.
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So super talented people, but. All right, you just named three of the best. If you're like, who's the. Theo Vaughn is definitely up there, but there's only a handful. There's a hand pmt. Those people will. But in any business, if you take the absolute top of the top. Yeah, they're still out there, right?
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B
Investment. Besides Barstool, what's been your best investment? You say you don't know anything about crypto. That seems to be the hot. That seems to be the hot investment vehicle right now.
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A
Yeah, you got to know what you're doing there. Most of my investments have failed. Outside of Barstool, a High Noon has been an unbelievable partnership. It's not really investment. Yeah, I'm not good at investing.
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B
Have you ever thought about making Barstool its own streaming service, like a Netflix or an Amazon?
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A
Not so much in that I don't.
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B
I mean, would you want to, like, Would you want to, like, have an NFL game or an NBA game or.
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A
Sometimes we tinkered with league rights. Like, we had a bowl game before Snoop with the Arizona bowl was ours. We did college basketball tournament. For me, our business model, wildly expensive, like, to pay for those live rights. And you better have some, like, huge deals. So it's not something I'd see us doing anytime soon.
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B
What have you learned most about money?
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Once you get it, it's easy to get a lot more.
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B
Is it?
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, it took me 10 years to make anything. I, I. If you're like, hey, Dave, you got to go make an extra 5 million in the next week. I could do that. Like that.
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B
Damn.
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A
Once you got it, it's, it's it. Once you get the over the hump.
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B
It'S just, it comes.
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I remember the first time I saw when I really got a lot. I. Even me, I was like, I. I spent five hours talking about the interest. I was getting on it. I couldn't believe it. It's like I'm making money, not doing it.
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B
It's just like that's what you're really making money when you're sleeping, when you're not working.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And your money, your money's working for you, although you're not working for it.
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A
Yeah. But it what it took so long for us to turn the corner and make money. But once we got going goes the.
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What'S your best and worst purchase? Are you. Are you a car guy? Do you like extra?
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Not a car guy? I. I go to some houses that I love. I'm a horse guy.
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Okay, so.
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Yeah.
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Like, what type of horses?
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Thoroughbreds.
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Okay, so you racing? You try to get to the Derby?
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I wish. So I'm poor for that world. Like, I'm rich for 99.9 horse. No, I'm still poor guy. So it's really hard for me to compete.
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I know Bob Baffert personally. I can get you in touch.
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I know, I know, I know. He's gonna. He's gonna need the money to get the horses, so. But my houses. I got a Nantucket house. That's my dream house.
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The 142 million. Did you.
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Yeah. Richest house in Massachusetts history. That's my. That's. I grew up going like. So I started barstool. I would go there for a day. Couldn't even get a hotel. It's an expensive place, Barstool. As it was going, I go for a weekend, for a week, for a month. Finally bought a little place, and then I bought, like, my dream house.
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So that's your. That's your primary residence in Nantucket?
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No. Primer's Miami taxes.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Doing the tax thing.
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I don't blame you.
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Yeah, you gotta.
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So you gotta. In Miami, you, like. You, like, overlook the water. So you're a water guy? Because Nantucket's on.
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I. I like to be on the water, but not on the water.
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Okay.
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Like, I don't want to be on a boat.
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Right.
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I want to be on the water. Yeah.
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Wow. Houses. Let's see. I just read that, and I'm a gambling.
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I. I like to bet.
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Really?
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. Cause you just bet a million dollars.
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On something, the Bills, to win the Super Bowl. I made a million on Trump coin in, like, six hours.
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Right.
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And like. All right. I made a million on this crypto coin. It's free bet. Free roll. Put it on. Put it on the Bills. So that was tough.
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Are you. Are you friends with Dana. Dana White?
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Yeah.
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Because he gambles, too. Y' all go.
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Yeah, he gambles me into a. Into, like. Like, he's sitting at the tables.
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Yeah.
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Playing at.
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So you don't play tables. You just gave.
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Not nearly like that. I, I much prefer sports.
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Okay.
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Yeah. Like, I mean, last night, I'll bet college hoops. I'll bet. Yeah.
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What's, what's, what's the most you want in a single single bet?
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I probably, I had last year, I think I won 2.6 million on UConn to win the national title. I want to. I bet straight a million on Michigan guy. Bet them on the Rose Bowl. I went, I got hot at the beginning of last year. I think the Yukon's the single biggest that I won.
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So when you win a bit. So, like, you're like, okay, if I win this bet, do you like, if I win this bet, I'm gonna go buy this. Or you just gonna take it and like, bet, bet, bet something else.
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Keep rolling. Buy a horse, keep bet on sports? Yeah, I'm not, I'm not a per. Outside of houses. I don't really have extravagance.
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So you don't like a car? You're not an old school car, like maybe a 68 or a Chevy Seville.
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Or Cuda, something like that Remade Bronco, the ones that they like.
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Remake.
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Yeah, I have one of those. So I do like the old cars and they're good island cars for Nantucket. Right. But I'm not like a gearhead. Like, if the thing breaks down, I'm. What's this next? What's that look?
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Your dad call you a legitimate degenerate?
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Yeah, I yelled at him for that.
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You're like, you, you take care of him, right?
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Yeah, of course I do.
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And he call you that?
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Not only did he call me that, he, they. The New York Times was writing a hit piece on me. Used his quote against me in like, the New York Times.
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He contributed.
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Yeah, he didn't even. He did this article. He felt really bad about that. But I've gambled. My dad used to take me as a Horse racing. It was a documentary we made and he was talking about me and they took his quotes and I'm like, I call him like, hey, just so you know, the New York Times is using you as the lead witness on why I should be banned from gambling. So, yeah, that was. I wasn't happy about that.
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At what age did you start gambling? You say your dad took you to.
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The track, go to the horses and, and bet with him as a kid. Go to Saratoga.
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Right.
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So I was always interested, like sports. I always loved it.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So you, you, you like betting the ponies?
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Love. Love.
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So you still, you still bet the ponies like that?
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Love it. Yeah, yeah, I just bought like a horse, couple horses. So yeah, I love it. I absolutely love it. I love the animals. I love, like, I have a house near Saratoga racetrack. Walk over, feed the. I love all of it.
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They eat a lot.
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Yeah. Secretariat and Joe Blow cost the same amount of money. Hay is hay, so they're expensive.
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Hello. When you first started barstool, you, you filed bankruptcy protection after losing 30k.
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Yeah, that was my dad.
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Did you, did you, did you think that you could bounce back? Because I hear a lot of people, you're not the first, I mean you're not going to be the last that's filed bankruptcy and were able to bounce back.
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Yeah, it wasn't even bouncing back. My dad again is an attorney.
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Right.
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So I had, when I started barstool, like shuffling around, doing everything, he's like, you know, you can get rid of this. I swear I asked him 100. I'm like, well this come back to bite me ass. He gamed the system, he's like, do it. I mean, 30 grand a lot, but not a lot, right. In hindsight, I would never advise that to do it. And I think they actually changed the laws. He's like, they're going to change that. So yeah, that was also in the New York Times.
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How'd you get, how do you get a sixty thousand dollar credit card that day?
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I had like ten different credit cards.
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What the hell were you buying?
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I was starting the business. I was.
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Oh, okay, okay. You putting everything.
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I was just moving everything around. Yeah.
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And you owed your dad 18?
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Yeah.
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Would you have paid him back tenfold?
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My dad's got, my dad's got his apartment they got in Florida and yeah, they're taken care of.
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Is it really hard to start a business from scratch? Super hard.
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I mean the thing about barstool is the only thing I've ever done and it became successful. I always thought it would, but yeah, 95% business probably fail again. I, I always believe we would, but that doesn't. I may have just been that again. A lot of luck involved in the right place for time.
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You ever had a tax lien placed.
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On no.
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Business lesson? What's your biggest business lesson? That if you could teach someone like what would you tell them? What was some of the first thing starting a business?
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Don't listen to other people. There's so much people who talk about doing stuff and just do it. And that's not really a business lesson, but it's. You write a business plan, you do this, you're talking, you're trying to do all. Just do it. Like, kind of get into it, right. And figure out where it goes.
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What about Hawk Tui girl? I mean, she came out. She. She had a moments of fame, and then she come out with this coin and. And then they get it in the. Boom.
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I would have bet my life I was not getting a hawk to a question during this. I did not see a hawk to it.
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How do you scam people out in cryptocurrency?
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So the way I understand it, because.
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I knew you would understand someone like.
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Hawk to can't do this herself even if she wanted to. She needs other people. And like, if I want to launch a coin, which I. Look, you need other people to do it. A lot of these people are shady. They have the controls. Hawk to it didn't have the controls. They're telling her, you can make this money. You can do that. And once it goes, these people basically pull the escape latch and no one knows who these people are. And Hawk 2 is sitting there.
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She's the face of it. And they're like, yeah, well, we don't know them. We got you.
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Yeah, exactly. So I think that happens to a lot of these. There's been no successful celebrity coin. Lots you could argue Trump's has been successful because it's still there. You can still trade it. But, like, Logan Paul had a bad one. This hawk tour clearly was bad. What's his name? The fighter did one the other day. He may have intentionally. Ryan Garcia. I don't know if he intentionally did it. He deleted. So none of them have been on the up and up.
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You was married. Would you do it again?
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I'd have to know. It was dead ass. Right? Like. And I don't know how I would.
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How do you know?
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I don't know how I know. So that's why it's hard for me to answer.
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What did you learn from. What did you learn during that marriage about yourself?
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She's still my best friend.
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Like, we get along better as friends and.
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Yeah, but she was with me at the beginning of this company and like, if she called me right now, it's like, I need you. I'd be there. Like, we're. It just didn't work as a marriage.
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How's the dating life for Dave Port Nori right now?
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So I'm talking to a girl. I went through a wild stage, kind of like, because when I started I was married, no one knew who I was. Like, girls weren't exactly available to me, had no money, no future, no career. Then you become famous. That kind of changes the game a little bit. A lot more options, so. And I was no longer married. So I went through a pretty crazy time, I would say. But now, not nearly. I don't even like going out anymore.
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Hold on. Is it true your ex wife have access to your bank account?
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Yeah. I told you, I trust her implicitly.
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I beg your pardon?
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Implicitly. I trust her. If she wanted to take it, she could. There's very few people that you meet where you can trust implicitly. And to be honest, she was there when we were living at the in laws house. She was there when we couldn't afford a hamburger. She was there through the grind. She. To me just like we. We kind of separated when we started making it. So she doesn't get to enjoy any of that, right? To me that's not right. Wow. I'm a loyalty guy.
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You are a boy. You woo. You loyal to the song. For real. I don't know too many people doing that.
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No, it surprises people. People. But she could have, if she wanted to do something with it, she could have done with it. Long time ago.
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Bill Gates said he regrets getting a divorce and you said that she's your best friend now. Do you regret getting divorced or. This is the best thing that could have happened.
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That was the best thing. Yeah. I think Bill Gates's wife also like drag him over the coals. Oh, I think he. I think she did. I mean I think she said some nasty about him too.
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Yeah, I think, I think he said he probably shouldn't have been as close as he was to Epstein. And some things like that, you can't.
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Go wrong with that. That's a pretty, pretty good thing to say.
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Yeah. You probably should wish I should have.
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Stayed away from him.
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But I tell you what. Tom Brady, ex wife having a kid.
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I know.
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Do you. Let me ask you a question. Do you think that bothered him?
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Yes. He posted that cryptic Instagram message like a sunset or some. Yeah, I think it bothered them and it like they knew each other, didn't they?
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Yeah, because that was her like a trainer when they were together. So Tom is probably thinking in the back of my mind when I'm on and I'm studying and I'm away.
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I think that's why he still posts like the shirtless photos and all. He's letting the world know he's still out there. He has to.
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Damn.
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But I'm sure, I think it does bother me.
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But let me ask you, let me ask you this. If your ex wife Is she married? She remarried.
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I think they. Yeah, they just had a kid.
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Your ex wife.
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Oh, no, I thought it's brain.
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No, I'm talking about. No, your ex wife. Your ex wife.
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She's dating somebody. Boyfriend.
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Are you cool with that?
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Yeah, I want her to be happy. It's true.
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She can't get no more access, Dave. She gotta. Gotta cut off. Cut her, cut off, Cut a little.
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I won't even notice if it's gone.
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You mean to tell me she might? She might.
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I mean, if she takes it all.
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No, no, no, but she might take like. You know what? I'm gonna have this. I'm gonna have this extravagant wedding. I'm gonna spend, you know, half a million on a wedding. You cool?
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Yes, 100%.
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Lord have mercy. You want kids?
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No, I hate kids. I do. I hate kids. I have no interest in kids right now. None.
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Really?
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I hate kids.
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You don't. You don't want a little day? A little Dave?
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No.
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A little boy? No. Junior?
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No. I hate. I'm a dog guy. I hate kids. Don't like being around them. Don't like them. Don't think they're cute. Don't want to hear about them.
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What about your upbringing? You have. You have a pleasant upbringing? How was it?
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Yeah, super. It says middle class upbringing, little suburb outside of Boston, one sister. Very as blah normal for like a white middle class kid as you could ever have.
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B
You play football? Baseball.
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You play baseball? Yeah, football level. I have a bum shoulder. I need like replacement. But yeah, I was pretty good at baseball.
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B
You go to college?
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Yeah.
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Go to baseball scholarship?
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No. I thought I could walk on at Michigan. Couldn't. Didn't even come close.
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They were really good.
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It wasn't that they were really good. They just didn't do like real tryouts, to be honest. It was like. Like that. It's like, hey, take three swings. They took no walk ons, so there was nobody who made the team.
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B
Wow. You were diagnosed with skin cancer and had it surgically removed from your neck. Did you. Did you know, I mean, was a spot or something that you.
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I'm always in the sun.
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B
Okay.
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Always. So I just started doing the routine checkups which everyone should do. They found a little dot I would have never known.
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B
Right.
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And they cut it out.
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B
You do sunscreen now?
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A little bit. But you know, even the. I like the sun. Let's just say that I like tan. If can't. If can't tone it, tan it.
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B
You were against the Tick Tock band?
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I was.
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B
Why?
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Because I think there's so many small businesses and creators who are earning a living. I think that people are talking about, have no idea what's going on. Social media. And if you're building something and that's your primary platform, you've been building now for years.
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Yes.
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And you just get ripped away. Like, you can't just be like, all right, I'm going to Instagram. That's not how it works. So to just rip that many livelihoods away or advertising agencies without a plan, that. That really bothered me.
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Do you believe it was political?
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't get the ch. I. It's all China, but everything's political and posturing and things like that. I don't really get the spy. I mean, I don't get where they're learning from it, but it was really small businesses.
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Are you okay with these billionaires, these big companies, trying to particularly buy TikTok? Control a lot. You control media, man.
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You definitely control the media. And Trump has. If you look, you got the Amazon, he got Zuckerberg. So I get that.
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And he got Icks.
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Yeah. So I get that. But I would. I would say times are always shifting and people like the left definitely were controlling New York Times and the Washington Post and NBC and cn. So a lot of that you. I. And this is maybe unfair, but I would hope that no one vehicle shapes somebody's opinion. Like, if I see something and I'm like, what the. Hopefully you go research it on your own and you can make your own decision. But it is a concern, right?
- [38:57]
B
Brady Mahomes. If Mahomes wins the three peat, does he pass Brady as the goat?
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No. And it's an easy answer. Now that you can say that's the best team because they won three. But we have the benefit of them meeting head to head in the super bowl in Tampa Bay. Brady won, right. AFC championship at Kansas City. Brady won. So you gotta. If they played. And Brady's at the end of his career, still beat him. So I don't know how you can. Now he keeps doing seven in a row. Different story. Not yet.
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B
Let me ask you this. You're a Taylor. Taylor Swift fan. Swifty. So you rooting for the Chiefs and Kelsey?
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No, I'm not. Because I told you Taylor Juan asked. I didn't know Patrick Mahomes hated barstool, but he does.
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B
He does.
- [39:40]
A
Yeah. I found that out today. Taylor Juan at me media session, asked if Mahomes would do an interview with bus and that they're leaving. He's like now, now that we're leaving Barstool, will you do an interview with us? He's like, yeah, that helped. So I didn't know he hated us. So now I don't like him.
- [39:56]
B
Wow. What made you defend Taylor Swift against when Kanye and Kanye.
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Kanye is a piece of. Kanye is an absolute piece of. I don't get people out defend him.
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B
You know what I noticed People that you don't like. There is no misinterpretation of where you stand on these people.
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A
Yeah. I think Kanye, one of the great free passes of all time. Now I'm Jewish, he hates Jews, loves Hitler. So you're not going to be my cup of tea. Like, if you're going around me, like, I, I like what Hitler did. It's like, well, I don't like you.
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B
Right.
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A
So what he did at the Grammys the first time when he stole her award. This is a 17 year old girl. I don't know what his problem. He thought someone else should win. You have no problem with her.
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B
Right?
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A
This girl's 17. You're stealing it. And then after that they edit a phone call. They edited a phone call. Her and Kim Kardashian of Taylor when the what was I want to sleep.
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B
He put in the song. Yeah. He put in a song.
- [40:49]
A
Yeah. And they say, we asked, we called her. She said it's fine. They put out an edited voicemail that made it and they recorded her that made it sound like she agreed. Taylor the whole time. I didn't. That's not how it went. I didn't say that. Years later, the actual voicemail, unedited, comes out. Everything Taylor said was the truth. Everything they said was a lie. That drives me crazy. And it did affect her. She didn't leave her house for like a year because all Kanye fans are trashing her. So I'm a big like truth, straightforward. It resonated with people trying to smear a name. So that made me start liking her. And then I got into music. But yeah, that's how it. That's that.
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B
And she wrote you a handwritten letter.
- [41:29]
A
She did. I went to the concert. Her brother tapped me on the shoulder. Handwritten letter. And the letter essentially said. And a lot of people would think these are two people who are not going to be friendly or aligned. But it basically said to the effect we appreciate the support. I think we kind of see similar on when people say things about you that you stand by and don't think was true. I hugged her mother. So I think she appreciated the support because Connie is huge. Sometimes I don't think. And people have said about me, the influence he wields. But he says, like what he did the other day at. What do you think of what he did at the Grammys with the naked girlfriend?
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B
Clicks.
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A
Yeah.
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B
He got what he wanted. I mean, my woman is the. My wife is the most. What is it? What was it? Googled?
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A
Yeah. If I walked into the Grammys and I shot somebody, they're gonna Google me.
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B
Yes.
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A
Like that. Like there's shock value.
- [42:22]
B
Yeah. I don't get him either. Your Patriots, we know you're a Patriots fan.
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Huge.
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Jarod mayo, he gets one year, four and 13, and they. Come on, they bring Variable back. What do you think about that firing? I know. I don't know if you're a craft fan or not.
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I am. I mean, it's tough because I think. I don't know if you can say two things can be true. Mayo got screwed. I don't know how you can give a guy one year in, how he can be your guy. The team sucked before he got there. What were you expecting?
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B
So you let. You let Belichick go.
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A
Correct. And by the way, they were bad with Belichick at the end of his tenure.
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B
Correct.
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Horrible. So I don't know what people are expecting. And to me, it's like, you got your quarterback, Drake May, who I think everyone's like, great, so you got a structure. I love Rabel as a coach. So it. It like, I. I'm glad they. I would have been okay either way, but it's like, well, Variable's probably not going to be there if you don't get him this year.
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B
No, he's not.
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A
Right. So I love Rabel as our coach. Having said that, if I was Gerard Mayo, I'd be pissed. And he got screwed.
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B
I know you're a big. You're yourself. You're all things Boston. And I know you're a big Jason Tatum fan.
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A
Yes.
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B
Because you're upset about Steve Kerr not playing him at the Olympic. And you're upset about Brandon Jennings calling him the softest Boston Celtics superstar ever.
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Yeah, I mean, listen, he takes a lot of heat. I don't know what they. I don't know what they want. What do they want from a guy like, you just won a world championship. I think, why choose a sleep number? Smart bed. Can I make my side softer? Can I make my side firmer?
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B
Can we sleep cooler?
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A
Sleep number does that cools up to eight times faster and lets you choose your ideal comfort on either side. Your Sleep Number setting. It's the Sleep number everything. Smart Bed sale. Every Smart bed and base are on sale during our Memorial Day event. Up to 50% off, plus free home delivery, limited time exclusively. The Sleep number store near you. Learn more@sleepnumber.com I'd be stunned if they don't repeat. They're loaded. They're good. I don't know what the hell they want from the guy. I don't know why he didn't play in the Olympics.
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B
Right? You think he's the top five Celtic.
- [44:30]
A
Oof. That's such a tough. Obviously Bill Russell, Larry Bird, cousy. Yeah, yeah. He's getting there.
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B
What you got? Paul Pierce.
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Paul Pierce.
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Mikhail.
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I think you got to put Tatum above those tough. We got so many greats. And I could be.
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B
Because I think the thing is, it's like, okay, he didn't.
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A
Pierce only got one.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And Tatum still got a lot.
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B
Yeah, he's young. I think Tatum's what, 26?
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A
Yeah. So right now maybe I take Pierce.
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B
Right?
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A
But I mean, if he wins this year, I'm a big championship guy.
- [45:11]
B
What about the Lakers getting Luca? You upset about that?
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A
Huh? No, I'm not upset. That was crazy. An absolutely crazy move. I mean, nobody, I think, really knows.
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B
Nobody knows how to.
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A
And I. I mean, I don't know how LeBron and him are gonna coexist necessarily. It's like they have no rim protector. So it doesn't. The craziest part is they didn't shop them. That, to me, makes no sense. From what you've read. It's like they were just sending him to the Lakers.
- [45:35]
B
Crazy, Bronnie. And if you had. You don't like kids. But let's just say for the sake of argument, and you had a kid, and you know what? And you. You're doing what you're doing now. Would you, like, do everything you can to kind of steer your kid in the profession that you're in, or you let him chart his own.
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A
I'd let him do his own thing. Like, I. I actually. I feel bad for Bronnie right now. I think it's crazy that he's on that team and the attention he's getting and, you know, it's one of my all time LeBron takes. He's like, he. He said he wants to kind of like he felt bad putting all the pressure on him. But you named him Bronnie Jr. And you put him on the Lakers. It's like you're putting them in a pretty big spotlight. Hot Red spotlight.
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B
The Wolverines. The quarterback. $12 million.
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A
Underwood.
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B
Underwood. And you chipped in.
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A
So I got involved in this in one of the craziest nil stories.
- [46:25]
B
Yeah, well, yeah, we want to hear this one.
- [46:27]
A
So a mission guy. And now I'm not a firm believer. I'm not like, michigan's a rich school. They didn't give a about me until I started getting money. I root for them, right? But you start getting money, and suddenly.
- [46:39]
B
The phone's ringing and alumni dudes are due, Dave.
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A
Yeah, right, Exactly. It's like, hey, I see you love Michigan, but the nil stuff starts happening, and I get a call or. Or it's like, hey, this person wants to talk to you. Right? And it was a woman's name. I had never heard of Yoland, I think. Jolin. Jolin. I'm like, so I'm not.
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B
I'm not.
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A
I don't want to deal with the alumni. I don't want to deal with any of this. Like, I'm not into it. Well, her husband is the Oracle guy.
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B
Larry.
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Larry. Oh, yeah, I'll take that call. Like, so Larry's gonna be on the call. All right. I mean, a legend. Like, second richest guy on earth. So Jolin went to Michigan. Big Michigan fan, right? Larry Ellison, suddenly big Michigan fan. And they're. They're what they were waiting for. I said on a podcast. I was so mad after Michigan loss. I'm like this, I will buy us a quarterback. I'll do 3 million. I'll find us a quarterback. We're never going to have no quarterback again. That provoked Joel, and she's like, aha. Someone else cares about Michigan as much as I do. That's how the conversation started. They're like, we're recruiting this kid, Bryce, under it. I already knew about him because people told me.
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B
Right.
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A
He went to school 20 minutes north.
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B
Right. Because he's going to LSU.
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A
Yep. Two days later, we're on a phone call with Larry Ellison myself. Michigan in the Underwoods. It's like out of a movie. And we're pitching this kid it. Literally. It's like, what world am I in? I could tell that no one. This was all my interpretation about the money. I didn't kick in anything. I'm getting credit for it. Larry Ellison, they bought the quarterback. What a just crazy world of nil.
- [48:20]
B
So you. So how much did the kid get? Direct, deposited immediately.
- [48:24]
A
That I know. Probably a decent amount, I think. I think LSU just couldn't. I mean, how can anyone.
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B
No, they couldn't agree with that.
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A
And he's. He's a monster.
- [48:33]
B
Wow.
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A
It's a crazy world, the nil.
- [48:36]
B
But do you ever get. Do you ever think like, okay, you invest all this money in the kid and it doesn't pan out? I guess that's the chance you take with an NFL player. The guy, you pay a guy.
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A
Big thing about Larry Ellison, he can. He can cycle through.
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B
Yeah, yeah. When you were 200 billion, 12 billion. You're not even missing that. You don't even know it's going out.
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A
Of your infinity money.
- [48:56]
B
Has the big ten surpassed the sec as the top class?
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A
No doubter. I think.
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B
I think once nil came level the playing field.
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A
Yeah, because they're already paying them. Now everyone's paying them. I mean, that's exactly what happened.
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B
What do you. What did you get a degree in at university Education.
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A
I couldn't pass, so I went to Michigan. Weird. I got into. I applied to the liberal arts. Just the general program got denied. They wrote back a letter. We think you'd be a good nurse.
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B
I don't know why they said a nurse.
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A
Nurse.
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B
I didn't apply. How do you get liberal arts go from nursing?
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A
They must have needed male nurses. And by the way, I pass out of the sight of blood. So I don't know where they got that. My sister was in school. I called, she went to Michigan.
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B
Yeah.
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Said if I go as a nurse, can I transfer to the liberal arts. She said, yeah, went to liberal arts. Couldn't pass my spanish requirement. Education school, no Spanish. So I just kind of scheming my way to get my degree. So I had an education degree.
- [49:49]
B
That you never used?
- [49:50]
A
Never used. Never had an intention to use.
- [49:54]
B
The first company you started before barstool, you started a company that matched student athlete with college recruiters. It was called next step scouting.
- [50:01]
A
Yep.
- [50:01]
B
So you.
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A
You kind of never started that? That was one of my ideas.
- [50:04]
B
That was one of your ideas.
- [50:05]
A
So the. And this is Internet 1.0.
- [50:07]
B
Okay.
- [50:08]
A
So you have athletes, not division one. These guys aren't going pro. The concept was a D3 guy. Coach still wants to win, Help them recruit because they don't have the budgets and connect using the Internet like lower level athletes with D3 schools. D2, that was the concept.
- [50:27]
B
You spent 2,000 developing the software, but it didn't happen?
- [50:30]
A
No, it was one of the ideas. Yeah. At that point, I was working at a little software and I paid a couple of the engineers on the side to build it.
- [50:38]
B
Look, when you graduated college, you worked at an I. T. Market research firm making 100k a year. And you weren't happy right out of college?
- [50:46]
A
When I would graduate college, the economy was booming. I was happy with that.
- [50:51]
B
Okay.
- [50:52]
A
I didn't like the job. So I. When I got that job, the economy booming.com era, yeah, it flipped. One day I went to work, half the people fired. I was like, oh, this is. This is brutal. But no, I thought 100 grand was more money than God at that point. I was very happy with the salary.
- [51:07]
B
So what sales pitch? What would. What would you. I mean, what was your pitch to who? Whatever. You. Because you're a good salesman. Because you. You convince. Like, when people come work at Barstool, you convince them that with us in your corner, you.
- [51:21]
A
I think they trust me. I think my sales pitch is trust. Even when I was selling that some. You know, you have salesmen who give you snake oil salesman vibes, and you're like, I don't trust what this guy is. I think most people, after they meet me, even if they don't like me, they're like, I think he's telling the truth to what? And that goes a long way with selling anything.
- [51:41]
B
How long do you work at this company?
- [51:44]
A
Five, six years.
- [51:45]
B
So do you have a nice little nest egg that you're like, I'm done with this. I'm gonna do something else?
- [51:49]
A
Yeah. I used that to start Barstool.
- [51:51]
B
Okay.
- [51:52]
A
That went into the cost of starting Barstool.
- [51:55]
B
Target audience. So let me ask you a question. Like, when you started Barstool, you, like, did you have an idea of the type of the audience that you were looking to get?
- [52:04]
A
The early premise was sports media in Boston was so stuck up and actually, like, rooted against the teams. Like, they seem to revel in the failures of the hometown team.
- [52:17]
B
Right.
- [52:17]
A
Like, we have a very famous Red Sox guy, Dan Shaughnessy. He rooted against the Red Sox. And the thought was. And it's a little bit about the Bill Simmons one. So I was like, there's a place for a fan's voice. And that's always sort of what we've been. We may not be right. We're not trying to. Like, we're not in the locker room. We're speaking as fans. I think that was the early kind of concept.
- [52:37]
B
What do you mean by the common man for the common man?
- [52:41]
A
Exactly. That. It's like, these are actual fans talking to fans. These are normal people. It's how you talk at a bar to your buddy.
- [52:49]
B
Barstool. No matter what. When you think of Barstool, I Think of you. You always. It doesn't matter.
- [52:57]
A
Right.
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B
Alex Cooper is who she is. PMAC is who he is. Busted with the boys, those guys. You're you.
- [53:05]
A
Right? That's good and bad.
- [53:07]
B
It's good and bad because, dude, sometimes they feel like you overshadow them.
- [53:10]
A
Yeah. Not only overshadow. I may speak for them. Like, I. Like. If I'm speaking my mind, that doesn't mean we're a super diverse, weirdo group of people. I think sometimes when you come into the office, you're like, holy, this is what's here. But if I'm saying something, if I'm. When I interviewed Donald Trump, that doesn't.
- [53:34]
B
Mean everybody in the company likes Donald Trump or you're speaking for them.
- [53:38]
A
Yes. And that I wish wasn't the case. That is always the case. So that's just the nature of the beast.
- [53:45]
B
You ran for mayor of Boston.
- [53:47]
A
I did.
- [53:48]
B
What the hell?
- [53:49]
A
So we. We used to throw these little concerts.
- [53:51]
B
Okay.
- [53:52]
A
And I was very unhappy with the way the city was treating us. Like, they. They unfairly in my mind, and very anti business, very anti nightlife. So I was like, it. I'm gonna run. And I thought I could win because at the time, we were pretty big. I'm like, I'm gonna go register all these college kids.
- [54:09]
B
They're gonna vote for me.
- [54:10]
A
Because you can legally do that. They rigged it so I didn't get on the ballot. It was my first introduction. A true rigging, like, you had to basically get, I think, 12,000 signatures to be on the ballot.
- [54:22]
B
Right.
- [54:23]
A
They had to be registered voters, and you had to be able to read the handwriting. I paid a legit, like, signature company that did this for. They went. Got 20,000 signatures. Guess how many they threw out. 9,000. 9,000. Can't read it. Can't do it. There's no way they just kept me off the ballot. In hindsight, probably happy.
- [54:43]
B
Right?
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A
But it was.
- [54:44]
B
What type of mayor would you have been?
- [54:46]
A
Pro Day portal, Like, whatever. Whatever was in the best interest of Barstool.
- [54:52]
B
But you raised 40 during the pandemic. You raised $41 million from small businesses. What made you do that?
- [54:59]
A
So small business is definitely. Probably because of barstool, something I'm passionate about, because I know what goes into it. So I actually. Who was the guy? He did maybe did the profit. Kevin Lamanis. He's like, the out is he. He's a big entrepreneur.
- [55:16]
B
Okay.
- [55:16]
A
So I was ranting and raving about the shutdowns, being like, you got to let businesses. If they want to stay open. It's up to them. People know the risk if someone wants it. So I was ranting. He tweeted at me, hey, big mouth, why don't you do something about it? It's like, all right, that's a fair point. So I put 500 grand into a fund, and I said, we're going to give this out to small businesses. Here's what I want to see from you. I want to see that you were running a profitable business before the COVID Like, the only reason it stopped is you had to shut your doors. But you have a proven track record, and I want to see you're still paying your employees. And if you can do that, we will pay your bills as best we can until you can open again.
- [55:58]
B
Right.
- [55:59]
A
And the first money we gave away, I FaceTimed the person like we told submitted, and I'm recording. And the reactions, like, very emotional, like, you're saving our livelihood. People saw that the money started flowing in so fast, we couldn't get, like, we were getting millions every day, and it probably saved about, I think, 500 small businesses. And it's definitely the most meaningful thing we've done. And unlike the government, like we were. We get the money in, we talk to somebody, the money would be in their bank account in 24 hours. No, we get the bills, and suddenly small businesses, then they were given the money back. They're like, we don't need any more. We want refund help. It was. It's a lot. It was not on purpose. It was kind of like the spur of the moment thing. But it means a lot.
- [56:47]
B
You ran for mayor. Would you rather. Would you run for president?
- [56:50]
A
I know, I. Presidente. Yeah. The hate that you get from politics, you.
- [56:57]
B
Nothing, nothing. I think. I think politics has surpassed religion.
- [57:02]
A
Honestly, it's nuts. It's like Gladiator 1. Gladiator 2 was the worst movie I've ever seen. Gladiator 1, when they asked Maximus, they're like, you got to be the emperor of Rome. He's like, I don't want it. And the guy's like, that's why you have to do it. I don't know who would ever willingly do it.
- [57:16]
B
Do you have. When you went into business, do you have any mentors?
- [57:19]
A
Yeah. Mike Rapole is a guy. He started Vitamin Water, started Body Armor, sold both billions. I've leaned on him for quite a bit of advice. He's probably the most. He's probably the most that I've used, and he's been great.
- [57:34]
B
What's the best advice you received.
- [57:40]
A
Everything's so different. I, I, I don't know if there's any piece of advice that's really one.
- [57:46]
B
It's.
- [57:46]
A
Yeah, yeah. I, I can't think of something. There is no magic trick. There is nothing. And what worked for me may not work for you. And it's different time, different place, different people.
- [57:57]
B
You're a foodie. Give me your top five fast food restaurants.
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A
Fast food?
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B
Yes.
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A
What level are we going fast? Is McDonald's and Five Guys the same thing?
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B
I'll let you pick. I mean, we ain't got to do.
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A
I meant Wendy's for the burger category is definitely my favorite of the burgers.
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B
Wendy burger.
- [58:14]
A
I, I like chick fil A a lot.
- [58:17]
B
The sandwich, the waffle fries, the lemonade.
- [58:19]
A
I'll go with the nuggets and the waffle fries.
- [58:21]
B
Okay.
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A
Top five. I'm not a big fast food guy anymore because I get sick when I eat it. I'm too old.
- [58:33]
B
You going out with the guy. If the guys, if you and and five of your friends are going out to eat, where y' all going?
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A
Nice restaurant.
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B
Nice, huh? Yeah.
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A
Like, I'll hunt around here and be like, where's, where's. Yeah. I love eating.
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B
Okay.
- [58:44]
A
Like, I don't know how all these people, older people, do ozempic. Like, it's like, what are you doing? Like, why do you care what you look like? You know, you can't eat. It's crazy.
- [58:54]
B
You call yourself a pizza aficionado. What is it about pizza? Boston got good pizza. Maybe I'm.
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A
Yeah, it does. It does.
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B
Well, normally I hear about New York and Chicago.
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A
I'm gonna humbly say I'm the number one food critic in the world, okay. For pizza. But I can influence pizza more than anybody can influence anything else. And it started as a bit with me and Dan, from part of my take. We said, if you could eat one food the rest of your life, what would it be? He said, burritos. I said, pizza. We did it for a month, just ate it. People started asking, hey, is it any good? I'm eating the pizza. I just score it. And it just, it caught on. So for 10 years straight, every Monday through Friday, I've tried a new place.
- [59:32]
B
The pizza. Does it have to be like a famous chain or you go into some of these offbeat.
- [59:36]
A
I've done them all.
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B
Okay.
- [59:37]
A
I like in New York, I just spiraled around the office here. Like, I've already done five pizza reviews. Everywhere I go, I'm finding the pizza and eating it. What's your favorite pizza?
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B
You want to tell the truth?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Pizza Hut.
- [59:53]
A
You know what? Now that could be a race thing because Wallow and Gilly also had like a ridiculous. They were like dominoes. It's like crazy. Have you had good pizza?
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B
I'm a thin crust guy. I don't want that. I want that stuffed crust. I just want thin pizza. And I grew up, that's what we had. Pizza used to have what they call a buffet. And so for like 5.99, you could go eat on a Tuesday night, you could eat as much pizza as you wanted. And so they had, you know, I'm simple, you know, cheese, ground ground beef. And I'm good. That's really the only thing that I really want on my pizza. And so we would go and I eat like 13, 14 slices. And I was good. So that was really good.
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A
I liked like puppuccinos and growing up, I mean, it just.
- [60:34]
B
But we didn't have like. I don't remember.
- [60:36]
A
You haven't had it. You haven't had good pizza. It'll blow your mind. You should have good pizza.
- [60:40]
B
When I grew up, there was. I don't. I don't remember. Little freezers and Domino's weren't local.
- [60:44]
A
Those are all trash. They're all chains. Like, you can't. You got to go to a place where the owner is in there making. And they've had it for 40, 50 years. Like.
- [60:55]
B
Yeah, but see, I'm. See. What do you get on your pizza?
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A
Well, if I'm off the clock, I'll do peppers and onions. Otherwise, just cheese.
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B
Yeah, see, but it doesn't matter.
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A
I'm telling you. I feel like I'm in a crazy town. Like it. There's great. Just like any food, there's great food. And like the best burger in the world can't be McDonald's.
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B
I mean, when I go to McDonald's, I eat the nuggets.
- [61:23]
A
But the best chicken in the world isn't at McDonald's.
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B
Nah, you know what? You know who got some good fried chicken? Publix. I rock with publix. They think that they be fired.
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A
I know people talk highly of the pub subs. See, that's crazy to me. Now they're not chefs in there making. You have perfect. I. I don't know what to. I don't know what to do with it. I mean, there's great. It's just somebody take this guy next time he's in New York to like, John's a bleaker. Or something?
- [61:54]
B
No, I'm like, if I go out to eat, I'm probably gonna go to a steak place.
- [61:58]
A
Okay, so would you say a steak at what's. What's what?
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B
I like, I go to state 48. I go to a Mastros. I go to. I've been to Peter Luger. I've been. You know.
- [62:12]
A
So if they serve steak at McDonald's, would you say that compares to one of those places? No.
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B
No.
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A
It's the same thing with any food.
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B
I take your word for it. Dave, point. No. You got anything?
- [62:23]
A
You.
- [62:23]
B
You promoting anything? You got any shoes? New shows coming out? You got. You selling any new T shirts?
- [62:29]
A
No, we're good. We're. I appreciate you having me on.
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B
I appreciate you being.
- [62:33]
A
How long did we go? I always judge that. I didn't know you're the two hours. So is that short?
- [62:37]
B
About average you. Right, right.
- [62:40]
A
Yeah, that's how I judge.
- [62:41]
B
You know. You know, I was actually. I was interviewing you. Potential workplace.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So I gave some. It's definitely.
- [62:53]
B
You gave Russell and Birdwood for sure.
- [62:56]
A
Russell and Bird. It's not KG I love. He's maybe my favorite Celtic, but Koozie.
- [63:08]
B
Koozie Hamilton.
- [63:13]
A
Pierce. Yeah, Pierce and Pierce and Havoc. And you know the two that have a chance are Brown and Tatum. If they keep winning. What? How many championships do you have to get?
- [63:29]
B
I mean, you're probably gonna have to get three.
- [63:32]
A
Yeah. So I mean I love Pierce. He has one and I love him. He has one.
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B
Yeah. Different eras because like Havlicek has 10 and I think he's like a 10 time. All NBA.
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So it's gonna be. It's gonna be very interesting. Appreciate you, my man.
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