Club Shay Shay - Gillie Da Kid Part 1

Summary

Podcast Summary: Club Shay Shay - Gillie Da Kid Part 1

Introduction

In the February 12, 2025 episode of Club Shay Shay, hosted by NFL legend Shannon Sharpe, listeners are introduced to Damian Gillard, known as Gilly the Kid. A multifaceted personality, Gilly is celebrated as a rapper, media personality, shrewd businessman, and cultural icon within the realms of hip hop, sports, and entertainment. His deep-rooted connection to Philadelphia and his influence in the community set the stage for an engaging and insightful conversation.

Relationship with the Philadelphia Eagles

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around Gilly's relationship with the Philadelphia Eagles. Gilly shares his honor in running the Eagles out onto the field, highlighting the emotional and cultural significance of this role.

Gilly the Kid [05:03]: "We playing for the name on the front of that jersey and the back of that jersey. But who going to make the name on the back of that jersey? Somebody today. That's what I need to know we playing Philadelphia football today."

He emphasizes the unity sports bring to the city, serving as a beacon of hope and morale for its residents. Gilly recounts the intense emotions he feels during these moments, reflecting the passion of Philadelphia fans.

Philadelphia Sports Culture

Gilly delves into the distinctive nature of Philadelphia’s sports culture, describing it as fiercely passionate and unapologetically authentic. He portrays Philly fans as "indigenous" and deeply invested in their teams, ready to stand by them through thick and thin.

Gilly the Kid [14:25]: "Just to be all the way honest with you, we just a rude city. We a bunch of. It was the mob. They're a bunch of jerk offs. Idiots. You hear me?"

Despite his candid remarks, Gilly underscores the pride the city takes in its teams, where losses can deeply affect the community's morale, while victories uplift the city's spirit.

Philadelphia 76ers Discussion

Transitioning to basketball, Gilly offers a critical perspective on the Philadelphia 76ers, particularly focusing on key players like Joel Embiid and Tobias Harris. He expresses skepticism about the team’s current strategies and the health of their star players.

Gilly the Kid [21:07]: "I'm about a person. I'm about being reliable. The one thing you can't say is you reliable."

Gilly questions the effectiveness of the team's “trust the process” philosophy, especially when star players struggle with consistency and injuries.

Comparison of NBA Legends

In a spirited debate, Gilly compares NBA legends LeBron James and Kobe Bryant. He staunchly supports LeBron, arguing that he surpasses Kobe in various aspects, including versatility and longevity.

Gilly the Kid [25:44]: "Yes. I feel like if LeBron James is the best player we ever seen in the world, if we never seen Michael Jordan play."

This comparison highlights Gilly’s analytical approach to sports, balancing passion with critical assessment.

Personal Life and Family

Gilly opens up about his personal life, discussing his 27-year marriage and his role as a father. He reflects on the challenges and growth that come with long-term relationships and fatherhood.

Gilly the Kid [55:39]: "I'm still trying to figure that shit out. Now look at my daughter sitting right there."

He shares anecdotes about meeting his wife and the dynamics of their relationship, revealing a man dedicated to family despite past struggles and adversities.

Rap and Music Career Journey

Gilly’s transition from aspiring NBA player to a successful rapper is a focal point of the conversation. He narrates his experiences in the music industry, from initial struggles to eventual success.

Gilly the Kid [72:16]: "I started rapping in college, playing around. We just used to smoke some weed."

He discusses his early encounters with major record labels, the challenges of maintaining creative control, and his dedication to authentic expression over commercial success.

Experiences in the Music Industry

Delving deeper into the music industry, Gilly critiques the often exploitative nature of record deals and the importance of owning one’s publishing rights.

Gilly the Kid [89:25]: "Yes, all of it. That's why I don't go to no parties. Because all of it is fake."

He shares his decision to decline lucrative offers that didn't align with his values, emphasizing the significance of integrity and long-term vision in sustaining a meaningful career.

Business Ventures and Branding

Beyond music and sports, Gilly discusses his business ventures and the importance of strategic branding. He highlights his collaborations with major brands and his approach to maintaining authenticity in his business dealings.

Gilly the Kid [93:07]: "I work, I operate with 26 major brands. You think I don't know what branding is?"

Gilly underscores the necessity of aligning with brands that resonate with his personal brand and values, avoiding superficial partnerships.

Community and Relationships with Other Celebrities

Gilly speaks passionately about his relationships with other Philadelphia icons like Meek Mill and Kevin Hart. He celebrates their collective successes and their contributions to the community, while also addressing the challenges they've faced.

Gilly the Kid [71:45]: "So when you come up in a rough environment like that. Two years ago we had damn near 700 murders. Think about that."

His camaraderie with these figures reflects a commitment to uplifting each other and their community amidst adversity.

Conclusions and Final Thoughts

Throughout the episode, Gilly the Kid exemplifies resilience, authenticity, and a profound connection to his roots. His candid insights into the sports and music industries, coupled with personal anecdotes, paint the picture of a man deeply committed to his craft and community. As Shannon Sharpe navigates these discussions, listeners gain a comprehensive understanding of Gilly’s multifaceted life, marked by triumphs, challenges, and unwavering dedication.

Notable Quotes

• Gilly the Kid [05:03]: "We playing for the name on the front of that jersey and the back of that jersey. But who going to make the name on the back of that jersey? Somebody today."

• Gilly the Kid [25:44]: "I feel like if LeBron James is the best player we ever seen in the world, if we never seen Michael Jordan play."

• Gilly the Kid [89:25]: "Yes, all of it. That's why I don't go to no parties. Because all of it is fake."

• Gilly the Kid [71:45]: "So when you come up in a rough environment like that. Two years ago we had damn near 700 murders. Think about that."

This episode offers a deep dive into Gilly the Kid’s life, exploring his influence in sports, music, and his unwavering commitment to his Philadelphia roots. His story is one of perseverance, authenticity, and impactful community engagement, making for an inspiring and enlightening listen.

Transcript

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[C]

Because we all rooting for one common goal. That's like one of the only times in life where if you black, you white, you're purple, brown, pink, pink.

[B]

We throw religion, we throw orientation, we throw all that out the window.

[C]

Rooting for one common goal. A Super bowl that bring everybody together, right? All my life been grinding all my life sacrificing Hustle paid the price, wanna slice got to roll the dice that's why all my life I've been grinding all my life look all my life been grinding all my life Sacrifice hustle paid the price, wanna slice not to roll a dice that's why all my life I've been grinding all my life.

[B]

Hello. Welcome to another episode of Club S.H. shay. I am your host Shannon Sharpe. I'm also the proprietor of Club Shay. Stopping by for conversation on the drink today is a larger than life personality. He's made a name for himself as a rapper and now a media personality. One of Hip Hop's most captivating talents and respected artists. Mc, songwriter, host, actor, social media influencer, philanthropist. He's a Luca. He's a shrewd businessman, a cultural icon, an unmatched force in his community. A prominent figure in the world of hip hop, sports and entertainment. He puts on for his city with passion. A pioneer in the Philadelphia rap culture, A Philly legend, a die hard Eagles fan, a loving father and a husband from the city of brotherly love. He goes by the name sometimes of Damian Gillard, Shay Gildous Alexander, Manu Ginobili Shay, Gil O'Neal, Michael Gil Jordan. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Philly Long. Gilly the Kid.

[C]

Hey, I'll tell you one thing. God damn. Whoever wrote that, whoever put that shit together right there, that's a bmf. Bad motherfucker Kelly. Yes.

[B]

Well, thank you for joining the back guy.

[C]

Appreciate you, man.

[B]

Hey, ladies and gentlemen, he been on work from the time he stepped in. Let's talk. Hey, bro, from what you've been able to accomplish with million dollars worth of game with your boy, what with your cousin. Wallow, man, thank you. Giving us hope, giving us inspiration. Because I saw you guys do it. I said, hey, I can do it too.

[C]

And you're doing it too. Did it, done it, still doing it.

[B]

We gonna leave you about that. Cause you don't wanna turn up. You don't wanna turn up. Appreciate that, bro.

[C]

Yeah, that's smooth. It wasn't none of that.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, Gilly, I'm fair warning. We are recording this before the game.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

It's Saturday. The game is Sunday. This is going to air Wednesday, so. Boy, I sure hope y'all do that thing. Cause if you don't, they gonna tear you up in the comments.

[C]

Yeah, but you know, you saying if, you know, you know, if my sister had a penis, she would have been my brother. Fortunately, she was my sister.

[B]

All right, so check this out. The Eagles are undefeated. When you run out of the tunnel with the team.

[C]

Yes, they are.

[B]

Are you running out on Sunday?

[C]

I haven't gotten that call yet.

[B]

You ain't got that call yet?

[C]

No, I ain't get that call yet.

[B]

When you first ran out the tunnel and you're bringing the team out and 70,000 fans and you feel that rush. How did it come about? How did that happen? And what is that rush like, when you run out there with the team?

[C]

Well, you know, like, a lot of people just really getting on, but to me. But if you. Last year when we was in the playoffs, we wasn't playing that good. I got the call from the team to come down to the locker room last year. It's all over the Internet where I went down last year and talked to the team before the playoffs. So I have a relationship with the Eagles with, you know, with Nick Sirianni, best coach in the league with Jeffrey. Lori, shout out to Jeffrey, his son, the whole family, the best owner in the league. Shout out to Howie Roseman, the best GM in the league. And Big Dom, right? Big Dom's my guy. So when I was doing what I was doing all year with my Killy on sports livestream and they just kept winning and every week they had to see me dance. Big Dom figured, who else is better to bring him out the tunnel than Gilly?

[B]

What does that. What does that mean? You're born, you're raised in Philly. What does that mean for a Philly kid to bring the hometown team out of the tunnel and have all those fans cheering?

[C]

I mean, it means everything to me because, you know, since I can remember in my life, I only missed three Eagle games.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yeah. One of them was a blackout game. We ain't sell enough tickets. And two of the games I was in the Dominican Republic with Vin Grames filming a movie.

[B]

Okay?

[C]

So to me it's like, you know, we come from a poor city, man. When the Eagles win, the morale in the city is better. Is when the Eagles lose, the morale is down. You think about all your problems. There's no escape. The Eagles is an escape. You know what I mean? So when I ran out the tunnel with him, and the funniest shit is I run out the tunnel and I drop down to the ground. I started doing the Brian Dolphins.

[B]

You hit the Wolverine.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I hit the Wolverine on Let's go. I run to the front of the line. They about to announce the players now. And I'm with, you know, some of the players that run out first. And I turn around, I look at Kenny Gainwell and the tears come down my face and I say, I love this shit. And Kenny looked at me like, you knew you not playing.

[B]

Yeah, I was about to say the same thing.

[C]

You not you not playing. What the you doing? Then they announced the players about them, all the players running out of em. Then we run over to the sideline and the national anthem is playing and that shit's balling down my face to the point they got to the end of the song and I just had to have a conversation with myself. I said, what the are you doing? Get it together. You're not f. You got caught up.

[B]

In the emoji like that.

[C]

You about to go to up in a suite. You not tackling no body. You're not getting no receptions. Chill out. And I just had to wipe my face and be like, in my mind, I'm just talking to myself. I'm like, you're tripping.

[B]

All season long. Before the game, you play Cameos. Candy before the game?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

After the game. Blow the whistle. Too short.

[C]

How did you.

[B]

I mean, were obviously. Were you a. A cameo fan or too short fan? How do you come up with the songs that you start with? Candy by cameo. Blow the whistle Too short at the end.

[C]

Well, Blow the Whistle has always been one of my favorites.

[B]

That's your anthem?

[C]

Yes. That's, you know, that's just a song. That's a great vibe. And I picked Just Like Candy. Cause I was letting the other teams know y'all sweet. You know what I mean? So whoever we playing that week, the Giants just like Kende. I don't see it in your wild. Y'all sweet. We gonna whoop y'all ass this week.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And that's how that started off. So, you know, tomorrow would it be first thing in the morning? Kansas City Chiefs, just like Ken Day. Yeah, we got something for y'all.

[B]

But you dance and you dance the Electric Slide. The Cha Cha. So, I mean, what's going on when you, like, you doing this and you getting in your. You get. Because it seems like that's your routine. Like players, as players, athletes, we have a routine that we go through. And we feel that if we go through this routine, everything's gonna be okay. Do you feel like if you don't do that routine, everything to the tee, something might go wrong with you?

[C]

You right? Hell, yeah. Even my broom guy that flew out. Bring that broom. Don't bring no other brooms.

[B]

So you just couldn't buy a broom down here.

[C]

Why would we do that when we undefeated with him walking out with that broom? You better bring that dirty little broom you got from the house that's coming to the super bowl with us.

[B]

Well, hit your slide. Let me see your slide. What you got?

[C]

Wait, really? You know, first thing. Let me just tell you something. First thing first is from here, right?

[B]

Yeah, you can. You.

[C]

You know what I mean? And then you break it down, and then it's this. It's from here. This is a. This is a old school dance called the Ematic in Philly, Right? Right. You used to see Kevin Hart. Yeah, yeah. Then you bring it together. 1, 2, 3. 1, 2, 1, 2, 3. Then you cross and then you cross and then it's right to the Conor McGregor.

[B]

Hey, so what if you saw, let's say for the sake of argument, yes, AJ Brown scores a touchdown and he hits that.

[C]

He'S an all time legend. He's going down in the all time hall of fame of legends.

[B]

I saw where you say ending racism in Philly when you're a neighbor. Jake Broom, man Swain is in your videos. So how long have you known Jake?

[C]

Well, we moved into the neighborhood. Right. Well, that's our studio house.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

That's like our office where we work out as a content house. So when we first moved in, you know, Jake used to sit on the porch. Older guy. So you know, just be like, you know, just keep it moving.

[B]

And so he's like the mayor and do the right thing. Yeah, he remember the mayor sitting on the street.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just sit on. Okay. So, you know, I'm pulling up in different car. I might be in my 1941 one day. I might be in my 74 Chevy. I might be in my 89 Chevy. I might be in a Beamer. I might be in a BMW truck. Wallow's in a Lamborghini. He's in a Porsche. He's in his Maybach. He in his 63 Benz. He in his Denali truck. In the course of a month, he's seen us pull up in like 12 different cars. So one day. And then we get packages delivered every day from different sponsors. So one day I'm sitting there and I'm saying, I said to myself, I said, cuz if I was a neighbor on this block, I would think we was fucking selling drugs. Yeah. So I said, let me go introduce myself to. Cause when we pull up, we see them, they out there like, what the fuck's going on? They come here every day in different cars and just chill and don't say anything. Right? So I want to introduce myself. No, this is who I am, I said. Cause I probably figured you guys probably thought we were selling drugs. And Jake said, we definitely thought you guys were selling drugs. So when Jake at 75 said that, right? Oh, you my guy. You're my guy. Cause you kept it real. You didn't try to sugarcoat it, right? You let us know the whole block thought you guys were selling drugs. We couldn't believe the cars you were pulling up in. So now he knows who we are. The block is comfortable. I'm gifting the block gifts on holidays. Even though I don't celebrate the holidays. And then Jake just so happened to walk over while I was dancing one day.

[B]

You say sports. How does and why does sports bring people together like nothing else?

[C]

Because we all rooting for one common goal. That's like one of the only times in life where if you black, you white, you're purple, brown, pink, pink.

[B]

We throw religion, we throw orientation, we throw all that out the window.

[C]

We're rooting for one common goal. A Super bowl that bring everybody together.

[B]

Right?

[C]

You feel what I'm saying?

[B]

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[B]

Why is sports so. You know, because I hear. I've never lived in Philly anything, but I hear everybody says Philly fans, they're so passionate about the Eagles, about the. About the Phillies, about the 76ers, about their. What makes the Philly fan base so ravenous about their teams?

[C]

Just to be all the way honest with you, we just a rude city. We a bunch of. It was the mob. They're a bunch of jerk offs. Idiots. You hear me? And we really take pride in being idiots. Like, we don't give a. You come to Philly and you lose. Walking out that stadium's gonna be one of the roughest rides you had if you got on another team's jersey.

[B]

Wow, man, y'all already won the game. Let's call them out, man. Let them go on about their business.

[C]

Our mentality is you thought you were going to win.

[B]

Yeah. That's why they came Absolutely.

[C]

They thought you were going to win.

[B]

I know.

[C]

That's what makes us idiots.

[B]

Explain Philly to people that's never been to Philly. But you know, you guys booed Santa, who booed the man bringing presents, right? Who booed Santa?

[C]

He didn't bring the right press. He wanted the Super Bowl.

[B]

Y'all booed Ben Simmons.

[C]

Shit.

[B]

How y'all do that to Ben? Ben.

[C]

Because he didn't bring the right presents. He wasn't present. We keep looking at him. Stat sheets, right? This motherfucker had eight rebounds and seven points.

[B]

That's bad.

[C]

That's horrible.

[B]

How have the Eagles brought the city together this year?

[C]

I mean, it's brought the whole city together, whole area. And I just don't want to say Philly because Delaware, a lot of Delaware Z, Eagle fans, a lot of South Jersey is Eagle fans. So it's brought to Tri State area together. We just been kicking ass, man.

[B]

Have you thought about what happens if you guys don't win?

[C]

No.

[B]

Did you go to the last super bowl when they played Kansas City?

[C]

Yes. I was right there. And let me ask you a question. When you ever was playing in the super bowl, did you think about not winning?

[B]

Nah.

[C]

Did you think about.

[B]

But I could impact the game. You came.

[C]

I already impacted.

[B]

So if you.

[C]

You gotta understand, I don't run them out of the locker room during the super bowl and we lose or they gonna be mad. They gonna say it's cause Kelly didn't run him out of the locker room. Because the one thing Nick said to me, Nick Sirianni, the greatest coach in the league right now. He said, you're three and zero. He understand.

[B]

Oh, this superstition that's in sports.

[C]

My energy is different.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I'm used to routine. So every time they brought me in that locker room, it's the same thing. The coach come up first. Love you, coach. He walk out. Then the players come up. And then I lose my mind. We playing for the. We playing for the name on the front of that jersey and the back of that jersey. And then I call out certain players. Your family watching what you gon do. Your girlfriend watching man, what you gon do? Your mother's watching what you gon do. Good players is made during the regular season. Legends is made in the playoffs. Who the gon be legendary today? We playing for the name that's on the front of that jersey. In the back of that jersey. But who going to make the name on the back of that jersey? Somebody today. That's what I need to know we playing Philadelphia football today, that's smart, tough, fast and physical. Everybody to the ball. By the time we leave out their locker room, they ready. They running through the wall, they ready. You gotta understand. I walked in the locker room and Jaylen Carter was like this at his locker room. He was one of the last people out of the locker room. And Connor Barwin walked me in and he didn't even know who was talking to him. And I said, it's not a on planet Earth that can block you. He turned around and seen it was me. I said, I don't give a. If they brought an alien down from Mars, Saturn and Pluto, he can't block you. You understand what I'm saying? He said, I got you. Og. The minute we walked out that locker room, Conor Barwa said, you just got the team a sack today. And that kid had a few sacks. So the motivation is different.

[B]

You get the call. I don't know who called you, whether it's Big Dom, I don't know if it's Nick Sirianni. And they say, gilly, you gonna run them out today. The super bowl, hundred million people watching. Everybody in Philly is watching. What would that. What would that. It's one thing to run about in the regular season or the post season. It's something entirely different because they chronicle these games. Super Bowl 59, the Eagles and, and the Chiefs and Gilly Wal Wallow call.

[C]

You the mascot, but you know, well, that's cool. That nutty ass nigga.

[B]

What would that moment mean to the Philly kid that grew up and watched all these Eagles game and he's running the team out in Super Bowl 59 onto the field to do battle.

[C]

The biggest thing would have be getting me there to the super bowl, cuz the minute I get that call, I might pass the out. Boo. Clear.

[B]

Hold on. This is the outfit that you normally wear when you run out there?

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

What you. How you go, how you wearing the.

[C]

No, this is a regular Vic jersey right here.

[B]

Is that an authentic big jersey or. That's the one that, the one I.

[C]

Got says Mike Gilvick on the back. It's a little different. It's a little different. You got Mike Cole Vick and you got Mike Gilvick.

[B]

Right?

[C]

It's a little different.

[B]

Hold on. You said, I saw where Saquon gave Wallow Wallow said, look, man, I ain't really no fan. I'm a fan of the team that's winning. So if you winning, I'm your boy. You losing. I ain't got no time. If you start. If I root for you and you start to lose, I'm gonna find me another team. Saquon said, man, come on, wallow, man, you bandwagon hopping, right?

[C]

And you know what's so crazy? This Saquon first year hand, he knew that. He been here for 11 games. 12 games. Oh, you like the Eagles now? He was so thrown off that Saquon said that he was like, how you know that?

[B]

Like, yeah, like you been talking to Gilly.

[C]

I had to let him know, man.

[B]

Your Sixers, man.

[C]

Yes, Gilly.

[B]

I mean, y'all brought in Max is still playing out of his mind.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Joel Embiid has been nicked. I mean, he played in the Olympics and then knee messed up again, so he missed the time. Y'all signed PG and that hadn't worked out like you guys thought it would. What's going on with your 76ers, bro?

[C]

You want me to sugarcoat it or you want me.

[B]

Nah, we don't sugarcoat nothing here. This ain't no beignet.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like we made some wrong decisions. Number one, with signing pj Wrong decision. I mean, until you prove me wrong, you know?

[B]

Would you prefer to keep Tobias?

[C]

No. Because at the end of the day, Tobias was under so much scrutiny, it was gonna be hard for him to play for the Sixers anyway. You know what I mean? So. But what PG has come and brought to the team so far, it don't look like we got our money's worth. You know what I mean? Yes. It's like looking like you having trouble beating people off the dribble. Everybody's standing in front of you, you taking a bunch of contested shots. Everything is contested, so I don't know. But I know he's coming off an injury, too, right? So I'm hopefully that he can get back to, you know what I mean, where he was. But as of right now, you know, it don't look good. And as of right now, for Joel Embiid, it don't look good as well because you played the whole summer with the USA team and you was nicked.

[B]

Going into the playoffs last year. Why would you do.

[C]

I didn't hear about you missing no practices. Uh. Oh, I didn't hear about you missing nothing that had to do with the USA team. So don't tell me you gon get out there and you gonna tap dance for the USA team and gold medal, but when it come to the Philadelphia 76ers, you played 421 games and you missed 404. Think about that.

[B]

So you feeling some type of way about this?

[C]

See, I'm about a person. I'm about being reliable. The one thing you can't say, you could say you're a great player. You could say when you're on the courts, you unstoppable. You could say MVP worthy every year. But the one thing you can't say is you reliable.

[B]

You still trust the process?

[C]

I been stopped trusting the process. You know what I mean? I think we need. At a certain point, you gotta say we might need to go with a different process.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

When you got three max players that's supposed to be superstars and only one of them performing, and we got like, we like 12th in the East. Mm. Come on, man. How can I trust the process?

[B]

We saw Luka get traded.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Would you be okay? How would you feel if the 76ers moved Joel Embiid?

[C]

I mean, at this point, I think I'm speaking for every Sixer fan. We wouldn't have. No. We couldn't feel no type of way because like I said, when you go at games played versus games not played, it's damn near equal. So we get to see you on the court just as much as we get to see you off the court. There's no difference. So at the end of the day, it's like, it's to the point where we never know if you gonna play or not. Who want to play her like that? I'm the biggest Joel Embiid fan ever. I go on all these podcasts and I let everybody know nobody could with big Nobody. He was averaging 35 points last year, but then the games that's played is.

[B]

So do you believe the opportunity has passed you by? Because you had a couple of years that Ben Simmons was there and he was. He was an all star. Ben was playing as an all star. Well, he was an all star, all NBA defensive player. Joel Embiid, I mean, it's always been he's kind of nicked at the most inopport at the wrong time, and so he's kind of limping into the playoffs. Do you feel that you guys have missed that opportunity? You had The Hawks down 3 1, and you let them come all the way back. Gilly, do you feel your opportunity have passed you by now?

[C]

I mean, I feel like with this team right now, our opportunity is whether Joel Embiid is healthy or whether he's not healthy. That's what it all comes down to. If we get a Joel Embiid that's healthy. We can be anybody. But the problem is he's never healthy. Yes.

[B]

And you don't get healthier as you get older.

[C]

Right. Knees get a little tender, feet get tender, hips get all fucked up.

[B]

You caught a lot of flack because you had LeBron ranked over the Philly kid, rest his soul. Kobe?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You still feel LeBron is a better player than Kobe?

[C]

Yes. I feel like if LeBron James is the best player we ever seen in the world, if we never seen Michael Jordan play.

[B]

So you got Jordan ranked over LeBron. That's the only player that you got over LeBron?

[C]

Yes. Okay, let me just ask you this question, right? If me and you both came in the league at 18 and I averaged 20, at 18 and you averaged 6.7 and I average more assists than you, more rebounds than you, I'm the fastest player, the 5,000, 10,000, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35. The fastest player. We came in the league at the same time. How could you be better than me? We all, we both got the chips. Matter of fact, you wasn't even the best player on your team at one time. I never walked into a locker room and wasn't the best player on my team. I got drafted number one. I went to a team that won 13 games. Do you think that these grown ass men in this locker room thought this 18 year old kid was gonna come in there and make a difference? They didn't?

[B]

No.

[C]

But I did. Because the next year we won 30 something games. So what, what are we talking? I'm not taking anything away from Kobe's greatness, but what are we talking about? This kid had the most pressure on him out of anybody in the history of the game. Right front of Sports Illustrated. 10th grade, chosen one, they said he can play in the league right now. In the 10th grade, everybody's like, what? He probably could have. Kobe Bryant backed up Eddie Jones at one time. LeBron James wouldn't have backed Eddie Jones up in 11th grade. Eddie is my man. Yes, but LeBron James is different. Think about that. Yeah, he came into the league as an 18 year old kid and probably was the 8th heaviest person in the league, but probably was the fastest person in the league. So it's not taking anything away from Kobe. But Kobe used to go to an NBA locker room and put a robin uniform on. Shaq was Batman. LeBron never showed up and put a robin uniform on in any locker room ever. That's the difference.

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[B]

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[C]

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[B]

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[C]

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[B]

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[C]

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[B]

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[C]

I mean, you got Joe Freeze. You beat Muhammad Ali, man. I could put Brian Dawkins in there, but he never won a Super Bowl.

[B]

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[C]

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[B]

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[C]

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[B]

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[C]

Damian Lillard.

[B]

Better than Shaq.

[C]

Shaq had. Shaq sold more records. Yeah, and Shaq had his moments too. Cause Shaq could rap, he could do his thing. And that's my guy.

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[C]

Yeah, but if you go on who's the biggest rapper basketball wise, then it would have to be Shaq. Without a doubt.

[B]

All right, let me ask you this.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Best rapper Hooper, Dirk J. Cole, Breezy, Quavo 2 Chain Game Master P. Davies, Cam'ron and Mace. Mm.

[C]

Now I would probably say Davies better than Breezy. No, Breezy's good too, but no, no, no, no, no no no no. The person I'm putting number one who Nle Choppa.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yeah, he can really play.

[B]

You know you.

[C]

Nle Toppa is the only person that I played against in a celebrity game where I had 27. He had 27. He matching me bucket for bucket.

[B]

Like, you know, Master P almost made the league.

[C]

Yeah, but Master P knees a little tender. My OG hips ain't working the same, you know what I mean? His back up, you know?

[B]

So one on. So one on one, you and Ciampa who taking it the 15th, we going to 15.

[C]

Well, I already beat him twice in the big three, so we going.

[B]

Nah, one on one. We going one on one.

[C]

We guarding each other. So he got all the work.

[B]

Gilly, you ain't got no Gilly.

[C]

Everybody know when it come to the OG.

[B]

So we got a 40 and under. So we got a 40 and over.

[C]

I don't play no over 35. Don't disrespect my game like that. I ain't playing no park cards. Like, I would not play you. That's the easy money.

[B]

What about 5'ten so we go at 5'ten we gonna. We gotta put a height limit and hold on.

[C]

There's footage out there of me cooking. Lethal shooter. He's six, four. I don't play no games.

[B]

He's mainly a shooter. He ain't really no one on one.

[C]

No, that's what I am. I'm a shooter.

[B]

No, you play. You play.

[C]

No, I'm a shooter. Hear me? I'm open.

[B]

But you are a three time big three celebrity ch.

[C]

Mvp.

[B]

You gonna win it again?

[C]

They brought the professor this year for me.

[B]

Oh, he gave you that work?

[C]

He didn't. He got there and realized I signed up for some shit.

[B]

Why they don't let you play in the NBA celebrity game?

[C]

Cause it's an easy MVP for me. They know it. It's too easy because. And then, honestly, I'm not even hyped to play in the NBA celebrity game because that's all politics. You feel me?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

90% of the people out there can't play, right? So it's like you just got the right. You got the right publicist, that's all. That's why you. You never played basketball in your life. Why would you be playing in this game? So that's about politics, man. And that's an easy MVP trophy for me. I'm gonna stay with the Negro League.

[B]

You believe you can beat Jamal Crawford in the one on one? Yes, man, stop playing.

[C]

I'm just saying. Jamal, why you ducking me?

[B]

That man's a three. That man is a three time sixth man of the year.

[C]

Yeah, and he got 639,000 miles on them knees. They're done.

[B]

He ain't done.

[C]

They're done.

[B]

That man will cook you.

[C]

Why? He ain't 50. He hasn't accepted my challenge. I talked to him, he said me and my son gon get you. All right, well, let's do this. I'll get your son out the way first. Just to let you know this, a grown ass man came. Sit down, little jj. I ain't playing with you, man. Jj Sit your little ass down, man.

[B]

But you want dad?

[C]

I want. Yeah. You know what I want?

[B]

50 points. Four different team. The oldest man just score 50.

[C]

That. Let me tell you something. The one thing you know, the one thing we don't ever operate off is no throwback Thursday. Shit, we ain't operating off no throwback Thursday. Shit, we don't want to know about the bench. Yeah, in 89. What you doing now? I'm deep fried barbecue bacon. Young mother. Right now 48.

[B]

I'm taking one on one. I'm taking breezy over you. I'm just saying cook breezy.

[C]

Wait, hold on. You wanna pull up the footage of me at Breezy house? You could, right? Oh, okay.

[B]

You cooked it.

[C]

Deep fried barbecue, baked rotisserie chicken. Uh, oh, no, but Breezy, Breezy. Breezy got games.

[B]

Yeah, he can really play.

[C]

Breezy can really play.

[B]

I got one for you. Cause you were talking reckless, and he said he ain't gonna let him loose on you just yet. Cause he got other things to do. Bronny. Bronny will cook. You see?

[C]

Cook, See, Let me just tell you something. I let Rich Ball get away with that, right? Cause Rich, my man Rich used to run around in Philly a little bit. Bronny, you're too little. No, no, no. Athletic jump high can shoot. I'm talking about. You know, where he done got me at. It's the reason why I wear big hat, man. Big thinker.

[B]

Every time, Bronny score, you right. Do that right there.

[C]

But you gotta understand, if me and Jamal Crawford play or me and Bronnie play one on one, right? I'm 48 years old, right? If they beat me 15 to nine, I won. You let somebody's grandfather score nine times on you?

[B]

Nah, I don't think you get nine on Bronnie.

[C]

I think you get like two.

[B]

15 to two.

[C]

Ain't nobody ever beat me by two points.

[B]

15 to two. Nah, all they gonna do is back you down, post you Up.

[C]

I ain't worried about that six'four wingspan, man.

[B]

You ain't got a.

[C]

You know how they say a person be six four? But he got a six nine wingspan. I'm five, nine with a six four wingspan.

[B]

Well, Rich Ball challenged you to a three point competition and you backed out.

[C]

I let Rich. You know, Rich is one of them dudes who, you know, we got some business ventures going on.

[B]

You don't want to ruin that.

[C]

I don't want to fuck that up. Rich, my guy, you know, after we close the venture, then I get him out to get the. Sit the down Rich. While we in negotiations and we going back and forth, I let Rich get that money.

[B]

If Q would let you play in the big three, you play in the big three?

[C]

I'mma play in the big three, but Q won't let me because you gotta understand, think about this, right? I played three big three games, right? Every game I hit a four pointer and at least three three pointers, right? Yeah. Mario Thomas played a whole big three season, ain't hit a four pointer, man.

[B]

Why he catching straight?

[C]

I'm just saying. I'm just saying. What's my other man with the podcast? The point guard, Jeff Teague.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Played a whole big three season.

[B]

Now you gonna talk about. You gonna cook Teague. You ain't finna cook my 5:20 guy.

[C]

I'm just. He running from. He keep calling me, keep talking about what we gonna do, but every time I'm trying to set up the game, they've not playing because I'm telling them handle this. You know, this going straight to Instagram. We doing this live. We not doing no filming where we gotta edit shit. I don't need to edit shit. I get five, six, seven buckets in a row. Step your ass up and then you gotta deal with the mouth. That's the thing they can't deal with.

[B]

Oh, so you gonna try to talk about the game?

[C]

No, that's what I do. That's what I do. You better step up. Oh, you didn't step up.

[B]

But see Bronny, you ain't gonna be getting that shot off, man. You see Bronny throwing folks stuff out of there.

[C]

I got a jump shot.

[B]

He did it up right there.

[C]

I know how to get to my shot right there.

[B]

Young Kobe D Skills.

[C]

Bronny is the truth. He's gonna develop into a great player. But the things I could teach him, it would accelerate his process. That's all I'm saying.

[B]

But you did get a basketball scholarship.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What happened?

[C]

Did Wallow tell you what happened?

[B]

Nah, Wallo ain't tell me what happened. I got you here. Wallo. Did he tell me I got you.

[C]

When you said that, what happened? It's like I know some details and insights. Well, I was a young, reckless kid.

[B]

Because he didn't like you.

[C]

Nah, the coach loved me. Shout out to Coach Zeke. Love me.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And during the summertime, I had got into something of an armed robbery type of situation.

[B]

How's something like.

[C]

Something like. Cause I changed my life, brother.

[B]

Yeah, okay.

[C]

I get you. I'm trying to make it look good and you that up. Like, I got sponsors and shit, brother.

[B]

You know, so.

[C]

And I'm trying to make my, you know, my sponsors understand that I changed my life.

[B]

You did.

[C]

We're talking about damn near 30 years ago. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And rest in peace to Allen Bunch. You know what I mean? Was a kid that was with me that lost his life and I got kicked out of college. And that's when rapping started.

[B]

Right?

[C]

And it's one of the worst things.

[B]

If you got that skill, though, Gilly, you had a skill. You got a scholarship to play basketball. How would you get jammed up doing an arm run?

[C]

No, I'm in college.

[B]

I know what I'm saying.

[C]

I'm actually in my sophomore year. Yes, but you gotta understand, you growing up in the ghetto, right?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And I didn't. Me and my mom didn't really have the best relationship when I was younger. So I moved out of my mom's house at 17 years old. I never been back. I'm 48 years old. You feel what I'm saying? So I had an apartment off of campus. I would go to. I went to school. And the assumption was that I had family members that looked out that, you know, that because I would leave, come home, I would get with Wallow, who was my little cousin, we would go do some crazy shit and then I'd go back up to the school. But I had an apartment off campus. So I would come home, go back up to school. Oh, go play basketball tournaments. My schoolwork never was a problem. Go home. Go back up to school. So when this happened, they had me on the front of the Daily News. They said, cabrini basketball star lived his double life.

[B]

Damn.

[C]

And then it talked about how I went to college. I was productive. I was on a team. I started as a freshman. But then it also talked about how I got caught up in some you jacket folk. Right? So I got kicked out of college. And then it was a Little rough.

[B]

Do you remember? You remember the day that you.

[C]

August 22, 1996. The day my homie got killed during an armed robbery. Rest in peace, Allen Bunch. Love you, brother. I always will represent you. Shout out to his mother. Because one of the hardest days of my life was going to his funeral. Because he was a kid that went to college with me, and he was. He didn't come from that shit. And when I told him what it was that I did, he didn't even believe the shit. But then as he started hanging with me during the summertime, he got involved with me. He wanted to go. And then, you know, one thing led to another. Yeah. So shout out to Alan Bunch.

[B]

You also ran track, too?

[C]

Yeah, I was. So you.

[B]

Do you play football?

[C]

Nah, I was good at running. From mother.

[B]

That have been perfect for football.

[C]

I know like, you know, Wallow was never good at running. Always got caught. Yeah. You hear me? The cop. You hear the cop? Sirens go off. He's going to jail. That nigga Gilly is gonna get skinny, cuz. Wait up. That's the police. Every nigga for himself. What are you doing? Anytime you hear from him, you have a collect call from as well.

[B]

How can I help you, cuz?

[C]

That nigga never got away, man. He's a juvenile. He never got away.

[B]

I saw a shot. He's skinny. How he slow and skinny?

[C]

Man, that motherfucker had heavy ankles, man. Had the heaviest ankles in Philadelphia. Hear me? He'd be with six. Everybody get away but him.

[B]

I got one for you. Yeah, Cat, I think Cat get you in a 40.

[C]

Todd Cook the shit out of.

[B]

Cat, you crazy? You saw that man run like four five in the 40. You saw it on IG.

[C]

Me and you both know that one little mother. Four, five.

[B]

Okay, four, six, five, motherfucker.

[C]

Five, six, five.

[B]

Come on now.

[C]

If you don't got that one.

[B]

That's why he ran down Monique.

[C]

That was in a high school gym. Cat didn't even warm up. He was in some damn jeans. You know goddamn well it's goddamn wide receivers in the draft right now. Coming out the draft ain't running on goddamn four, five, six. You know, did well, that was six one.

[B]

Cat get you, though?

[C]

No, he won't see. It's a difference. You got.

[B]

You don't run no 40s, Gilly.

[C]

Yes, I do. I just ran a 40 at the Giants facility, didn't I? Yeah, and what did I run? 4, 9. What?

[B]

Man, you ain't run no 49 and no 48.

[C]

What did I run? 49 2. 4, 9, 2.

[B]

At 33 yards.

[C]

No, 40 yards.

[B]

Who marked the yardage on?

[C]

We was really at the Giants facility, and I told them I could run. I was hyping this shit up, though. I told them I could run a 4 6. And he was like, well, we got the guy right here with the me out there. And I ran a 49 first time. Didn't warm up or nothing. So imagine if I warmed up, stretched.

[B]

And shit, you know, 49 instead of 4 9. But I feel I'm going with Cat.

[C]

All right. I mean, we could do it, man, for some money.

[B]

I got catch.

[C]

That'd be the easiest money he ever gave me, man.

[B]

Hey, Cat. Hey. I just need Cat to train for, like, two months.

[C]

Cat ain't got any, man. Cat, I don't tour doing shows, man.

[B]

You and Coach prime good friends?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You and Wallow. You guys were down there when he took off to Jackson State. You guys were really the first celebs that showed up on the scene, Showed love.

[C]

First game.

[B]

First game, you guys was. How long you known co Prime?

[C]

I knew Coach prime for a minute, man. You know, Coach is a really good guy, you know what I mean, as far as speaking to him, you know? And Coach is somebody that I could call and get some game from, you know what I mean? And when he told us he was going to Jackson State, he was like, coach, we in. You know, we gonna come down there and we gonna put some light on that shit, right? And we gonna really help you. You know what I mean? Grow the program. Grow the program. Now, it's up to y'all if y'all win or not. But the light we could bring is, you know, is a different type of light. And coach was really, you know, receptive of that. Like, let's do it. And then they won, you know, and then they won the second year. And then it made it even better. Cause Travis decided to go. So now you got a big name coming. Shador. He could have went to Alabama, could have went here. He said, I'm gonna go play for my dad. So now you got some big names that's coming that's also drawing some attention. You got us and you got Coach Brown.

[B]

There's a situation. You guys are there. The guy scores a touchdown. You're running down the sideline with him. He gets in the end zone. He hands you the ball, you in the end zone. You spiking. What the hell you thinking?

[C]

I wasn't.

[B]

You, like, you ain't got no head on the shoulder pads.

[C]

Listen, but if you look at the video, they say, gilly, you just gotta stand behind the white. Yeah, if you look at that video, Coach prime said it. He said, gilly's behind the white. I ran the whole sideline. Go, Neff, let's go. Cause you know, I know these kids. I'm in the locker room, I'm dancing with them, I'm hyping them up. Before the game, I ran the whole sideline with him, but I was behind the white. I got to the end zone, he threw me the ball. I was like, now, when Tom Brady gave his offensive lineman the ball.

[B]

Tom Brady in the game. They in the game.

[C]

Gilly, for a minute, I was in the game. He threw me the ball. And Coach Brown said, in Gilly's defense, why would you throw him the ball? Like, what was he supposed to do? He run down, he's typing you up, and then you give him the ball penalty on the bench. I'm like, oh, that's me. That's me.

[B]

The only thing that have made it worse, if you threw the ball in the stands, why would.

[C]

Why they would have made it, man, you can't throw.

[B]

That ain't NFL game. You ever seen somebody in college throw the ball in the stands?

[C]

No, I didn't. I have it. I have it.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

See, I don't even know all the rules. You know what? I was so into the game that they threw a penalty. I didn't even know the flag was on me or nothing. I'm walking up this alley, I'm charged and wallow's head. And this knows nothing about sports. He was like, cuz I don't think you're supposed to do that shit. Then all common sense hit me. I was like, personal foul. I was like, that was the first time, the first game. I never went in the locker room during halftime. I was like, fuck up. Stand on the field with the cheerleaders and shit. I ain't going to the locker room.

[B]

Where would you want to see Shadora go? What team?

[C]

I would want to see Shadora go to the Titans.

[B]

Number one overall.

[C]

Number one overall. No noise. The Titans is Lacey. You don't hear none of the noise. But I also believe that wherever Trudeau goes, he's good. Because you gotta understand, if I'm a GM and I'm drafting a quarterback, I gotta say to myself, this kid's been through a lot more than every other kid in the draft because he always had to live up to being Deion Sanders, son. So he always had the spotlight ornament and all he did was produce.

[B]

Right.

[C]

When he went to Jackson State, they said he was at a black college. Then he went to the worst FBS school in college football, which was Colorado at the time.

[B]

Right.

[C]

They was the worst FBS school in football, Division 1 football. And two years later, they're ranked in the top 25. So that shows you that he won in high school, four state championships. He went to college. They said, oh, he's at a black school. He couldn't do that if he was here. Then he went to a school that wasn't that good and took them to greatness. Took them to something to where as though now it's an attraction that you actually want to go to Colorado because they got Julian Newman now.

[B]

Right?

[C]

And that's a product of Coach Prom, his coaches, Shador Sanders, Travis Hunter, in the way that Coach prime treats his players.

[B]

You got an opportunity to see Trav when he went to Jackson State.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

He followed time to see you. An opportunity to see him up close and to watch what he turned himself into. We knew he had the potential, but to see last year, that Heisman, and you got. You went to a lot of games. What is it like? Explain to people that had never. That's never seen Trav play in person. What is it like?

[C]

First of all, it's like. It's kind of strange because Travis outside off the football field, is just the nicest kid. Hey, what's up, man? Hey. But then when he step on the field, it's like a light. It's just like a switch. Go on. And he's a total different person. Don't throw that shit over here. You like, who that. What the. Like, that's the same kid. Because he's so nice, and you don't even think. I wouldn't even think that he even, like, even had that, like, mentality to talk. But when he step on that field, it's like, is this like, a total different dog? So. And you really be like, okay. He really takes this shit serious because he's two different people when he's off the field. He's calm, he's laid back, he's the nicest. And then he step on the field, and it's like, I wish you would try me. Throw that shit over here if you want. And it's like, he get it. Yeah.

[B]

You've been married for 27 years. When you met your wife, how did you know she was the one? Or do you know?

[C]

I'm still trying to figure that shit out. Now look at My daughter sitting right there. You see my daughter, she's like, yeah.

[B]

I'm about to say, I'm gonna tell Mama.

[C]

No. You know, you really don't know if somebody is the one. Because, you know, every day is a different challenge. But after we got, you know, some time in and years in, and she was just so different, raised so different from how I was raised.

[B]

Correct.

[C]

You know what I mean? I never sat down at a table and had dinner with the family. And they did that every day. You know what I mean? Sat down at the table, had dinner, talked about today, what you did today. And my mom worked two jobs, and, like, I was, like, home, like, making beans and hot dogs for my little sisters and shit. So it was just totally different. And she brought a whole different perspective on life to me, you know what I mean? I was a kid coming straight out the street carrying guns. She's like, you gotta take a gun to my mom's house. I don't go anywhere without my gun. I'd rather be caught with it than without it. I'd rather be judged by 6 and judged by 12 and carried by 6. All that ghetto shit. Shit, that didn't make no sense. Now that you sit back, you like, why the was I. I'm at the dinner table with her parents, like, how you guys doing? Gun on my hip. I'm like, like, her parents are gonna do something, I sure hope if they.

[B]

Don'T hit the floor.

[C]

Ghetto analogies. That didn't make any sense. I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. I would rather be a lion for a date and a sheep for a thousand years. No, I would to be a sheep for a thousand years. But the ghetto train you to think some of the most dumbest shit you can ever do. Like. And I also say growing to a 95% white college was some of the best shit I ever did in my life. Because they took a kid straight out the ghetto who the white man was to blame for everything. Let's just be for real. White man locked Ricky up. Ricky ran in the bank with a gun. But growing up in the ghetto, yes. It's not that, right? Oh, man, they just. White man gave Ricky 30, Raheem 12 years. They ain't shit. Raheem Pistol beat a bill in broad daylight and robbed him. So me going to an all white college, it opened my mind up because I got up there and I understood that you got some really good white folks out here. You got some that ain't shit. That was like, what is this Doing on campus. But you also had some white folks that would them up if they said that shit. And it just opened my mind up to a different perspective of life and even how to operate and be yourself around whoever. You feel what I'm saying? So when I finally started doing deals and I was able to operate around whoever, I was able to be myself around whoever, it didn't matter because I was in every environment. And if you never actually put me in that environment, never. Don't you feel what I'm saying? I got black friends right now that if I take them in an all white room, he talk about, how you doing? I'm Jamal. I'm like. Thought you was bullet head. I didn't even know your name was Jamal. You been bullet head your whole life. Now you here with the. With a.

[B]

You done switched up on me.

[C]

You done switched up on me.

[B]

So to know you have someone, because it hasn't always been. You haven't always been this Gilly. Say the last decade, there have been some trials and tribulations. There's been some ups and downs. But to know you got a ride or die in your corner.

[C]

Mm.

[B]

What's that been like?

[C]

I mean, that's everything. You gotta understand. She went to jail with me.

[B]

How you had the old lady go to jail?

[C]

Actually, she took me to jail. She was the one selling the weed.

[B]

Tell on him. I want you to tell this story.

[C]

But yeah, she went to jail with me. And we had a thing called a nebula hearing. Whereas though you can't bail out from the 1st, you gotta be locked up from 3 to 10. Take from 3 to 10 days for your nebula hearing to come through. And it just so happens ours came through on the 10th day. And she wrote me a letter from one jail to the next and said, babe, don't be over there stressing. I'm okay over here. I'm batting these bitches off. And I thought that was the funniest shit ever. Cause I'm keeping waiting. Wait, my woman. Look, I'm like, they'll be killing. They tear up. Somebody got some cooche. When she wrote me that letter, I.

[B]

Was like, was that the moment you knew?

[C]

No, I had knew before that shit. She had to be locked up. And right now you trying to get me in trouble?

[B]

No, but I'm saying, you know, she the one. Yeah, but she wasn't enough to make you stop doing that foolishness.

[C]

Well, she was liking them Louie bags. Stupid, man.

[B]

You'll still be killing.

[C]

You know what I mean? You like that? Good. You like the life, you know what I mean? But that was when it changed my life. Cause I said that's when I really, you know, I always had a relationship with God. But I said, if I get out of this situation, you ain't never ever gotta worry about me, ever. You done being in your way ever again, right? Or the police way ever again.

[B]

What was your first impression when you met her, when you see her for the first time? I don't know where you met her when you was in the mall or you walking down the street.

[C]

You gotta understand, when I walked up on her, Right, you walked up on her. How you doing?

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Get.

[B]

Okay, we gonna go back 30 years ago.

[C]

Tell you something, I'll FaceTime her right now. She'll tell you I smelt her hair. Yeah, you weirdo. That shit'll get you a case nowadays.

[B]

You better believe it.

[C]

But I said, I was like. I said, you got all this long ass, pretty hair. I said, you don't need no Paul Mitchell products or nothing. I bet you when you run your shit bounce, don't it? She had never heard no shit like that in her life. She was like this crazy. I am. And you know the one thing that good girls like? Crazy. She's been a part of my life ever since. You gotta understand, I used to have to go pick her up from the corner of her block because she didn't want her parents to see me. And then I just got a time. I said, listen, enough is enough. I ain't picking you up from the fucking corner no more. I'm a grown ass man. I was like 21 grown ass man doing that shit. You gotta understand. She told me her dad was black and her mom was Korean. Bro, looking at my woman, I thought, it's gonna be this light skinned, curly haired with pretty eyes that darker than you. Oh, Bob pulled up, she was like, that's my dad on the porch. I was like, the extra crispy. That dark motherfucker right there is your dad? She was like, yes, dude. I felt so comfortable after that.

[B]

That was it.

[C]

I was like, he's a nigga. That's a. That's a Phil N. I was like, yes. What? I met her dad. Her uncle was. See, I knew her uncle. He was like, you want something to drink? They was out there with the yak. Yeah, you want a drink? I said, yeah, I'll take a drink. What you said? I like you. I don't trust people that don't drink. I was like, damn. That's when I also realized the littles was a bunch of alcohol, but whole family love me, man. Mom love me and I love the family. And we just been together for so long. It's my 22 year old daughter sitting right there, 25 year old son. So we just been together forever, man. It's a beautiful thing when you know that you truly got somebody that. You know what I mean, really got your back.

[B]

What have you tried to instill in your daughter about dating? She's of dating age now, guys. You find that it's different if you ain't have no brand. They see her like attractive young lady. Dad got some paper. How can we get some of it? What you tell your daughter about that?

[C]

Don't make me kill you done gave that life up. Don't make me kill somebody. Don't make me go to prison now. I'll play it. I just tell her, you know, for most importantly, you know what I mean, just make sure you're always being respectful to yourself.

[B]

Mm.

[C]

You know what I mean? She was raised right, so she understand, you know what I mean? What's the do's and the don'ts.

[B]

She see you, she see the relationship that you have with her mom, right?

[C]

So that's a perfect example of what you. You know what I'm saying, Right? Yeah. Me and your mom, we have ups and downs. Just any relationship we go through, we have arguments. We have arguments is only reminding motherfuckers how much you love them.

[B]

Right?

[C]

You know what I mean? Right? You got a relationship that's too quiet, something ain't right, you know what I mean? Sometimes you gotta argue just to get the fire set. You gotta argue just to make up. Close your ears.

[B]

Kevin Hart's from Philly. He got a relationship with K. Hart. Y'all be joking.

[C]

My guy.

[B]

I could imagine what tomorrow's gonna be like.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

If y'all. If.

[C]

When we win.

[B]

When the Eagles win. When we win, you and K. Hart gonna be on one of them.

[C]

Oh, what me? Kevin Hart, Meek Mills, Stephen Fulton, four time champion, two weight division. He's over there in the house at Club Shay Shay. So, man, the whole Philly gonna turn up, man, I tell you one thing, when we win, they think I was dancing before shit. Call me dm. Goddamn dancing machine.

[B]

What? Khar. Because you see yourself, you see Gilly and Meek. We're gonna talk about Meek a little bit and his reform and what he's trying to do to reform, prison reform and guys in probation talk to Wallow. What is K. Hart? To see his story, to see where he Came from Philly just like you. A Philly kid.

[C]

Look, you gotta understand. Me and Kevin Hart from the same neighborhood.

[B]

What?

[C]

Really? Yes. Kevin Hart used to live above a guy that was in my rap group, AB Lava. Major figures.

[B]

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[B]

Okay, ladies, when I said we came to play, didn't I mean it? This Disney cruise got me feeling like a queen. We can get massages at Sense of Spa, have a meet and greet with Black Panther.

[C]

Oh, I love him.

[B]

And I can't wait to sunbathe on the private island.

[C]

And the kids will be fine.

[B]

Girl, they're good.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

While they hang in the kids club with Mickey Mouse, we can do do our thing. Mm. And do it well all day. Disney cruise line is where we came to play.

[C]

So he lived on the bottom floor and Kev lived above him. Wow. Like Kevin is from. We from the same neighborhood. So to see him make it out and I make it out and Meek make it out and Freeway make it out and man, coming from Philly, man, that shit is rough. You gotta understand, I got five main homies. All of us been shot. Think about that. Wow. It's like a surprise when you haven't been shot in Philly. It's like, oh, you haven't been shot. Yeah, you lucky man.

[B]

Right?

[C]

So when you come up in a rough environment like that. Two years ago we had damn near 700 murders. Think about that. Wow, that's two dying a day doing gun violence. Imagine how many people was getting shot. Because most people that get shot don't die. Imagine how many people was getting shot in Philadelphia. So when you able to come about that type of environment and make something out of yourself. When the whole everything is against you to fail. I gotta be proud of Kev. I gotta be proud of Meek. Yeah, I gotta be proud of certain individuals. Because it's like, bro, you special. You one of the ones God wrapped his arms around, man. You know how many people in Philadelphia would cut their finger off to be in Kevin Hart position? To be in my position. To be in wallow position. Meek Mill position, Freeway Position and a few others. Jill Scott, Eve, you know, cool boy. So when you come about those gutters, man, it's rough, man. And if you can make anything out of yourself, you always gotta applaud this shit.

[B]

You mentioned Meek and you see, Meek was freestyling in the Philly streets. And now he's one of the biggest rappers in the game. And he's trying to do a lot with his life. Learned a lot, been through a lot. You see, he's trying to do with prison reform and probation and parole. What's it been like, like you said, to see guys that come from the environment in which I came from. And I know what it's like. Cause I lived in that jungle. I lived that environment. And to make it out and to make something. What's it like to see people that grew up in a very similar situation as Gilly. And to be where they are now?

[C]

You gotta understand. I met Meek when he was probably like 18 years old. And we've been cool ever since then. So to understand to what's most impressive is the growth. You know what I mean? Because you seen a kid that just had raw talent. He didn't give a about nothing but rapping. If Gilly ain't got the studio, Meek wanna be in there. Because they all came to a studio that I named, that me and my partner developed called the Batcave.

[B]

Okay?

[C]

And it was good because you can go right to the Batcave. You can record your songs. Rug mix you down and send your shit right to the radio right there. So when I see me coming, he raw and he the one thing that that kid had that a lot other people didn't have. He had real hustle. He wanted that shit. So it would be like, rug, whatever time Gilly don't got. Because Gilly books the studio out two months. No, I don't want nobody coming through there from 12:00 in the morning, in the afternoon to 12:00 at night, Meek would say okay, I want to come in there from 12 o'clock at night to 8 in the morning.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

And would really be hustling like that. So that's the reason why he's in the space that he's in. That's the reason why when you look up, he got all the cars, he got the mansions. I done been to three of his mansions. He got the, he, he's really doing shit at an elite level because his hustle is at an elite level.

[B]

What are your thoughts when you see all the hate that he receives on social media? You see someone that came like you mentioned came from the environment which he came from having the success that he's had trying to do things for our community and it seems like our community bite him in the butt.

[C]

I always put, see, see I'm the og, so anytime cool boy will tell you anytime they going through, I'm the one that reach out and I'm the one that put shit into perspective for you. Because I'm older so I've seen a lot more life and I've been through a lot more shit so I'm able to put shit to perspective for you. And I say, you listening to Instagram, Meek, or are you listening to that 22,000 people you just performed in? Because I just seen you perform in front of 22,000 people and they was damn near falling out the Raptors. So obviously they not the on Instagram talking shit. It's easy to talk shit on Instagram. You could be a 16 year old kid in Nova Scotia. Shay, Shay, you ain't shit, you. It's easy to talk shit on Instagram for me. I've never seen somebody's post and been enthused to talk shit to somebody because my life is doing good. If I got a negative comment about you, it's just in my mind man, that mother crazy man. But for me to actually type that shit on Instagram, that's letting me know that life got you in the butt naked Russian headlock. It's kicking your ass. Because I don't think about if I thought something negative. It's just funny to me. Yo man, I'm funny man. You crazy man. I'm not typing that on Instagram because you don't or a person don't concern me enough that I would take time to write a negative something about somebody on social media that's taking too much time out of my life. I got real shit Going on. I have an energy drink that's the official sports drink of the Philadelphia 76ers and the Chicago Sky Peripheral. Wait, hold on, wait. Break dance on your tongue. You know what I mean? So for me, I got too much shit going on to concern myself with writing a negative comment about somebody. Right. You know what I mean? It's just not in my. I don't understand that.

[B]

Jay Z tried to sign you, and you tried to sign you. Your Group offered you 12 points. What are points in a rap?

[C]

How do you know about this shit? Number one. Who? You have some. You got some good digging this shit up.

[B]

We gotta. Hey, look here. If you know this. Yes, you put a team together. If you can't trust your team implicitly, you need to get new team members.

[C]

Absolutely. Absolute points is like, you know, how many records you sell, how much money you gonna get on the back end residual.

[B]

Oh, it's not like the points you're not gonna get against Bronny, right?

[C]

No. Okay, go ahead.

[B]

I'm gonna use. You was saying points.

[C]

So back in the day, HOV tried to sign my group, Major Figures. It wasn't just hov, it was Dame Dash, it was Rockefeller, you know, I didn't feel as though that the contract was right, so I didn't accept it. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

I did a solo deal with Tony Draper and Suave House. He's my great friend to this day. Two other artists that was on Major Figures, Dutch and Spade, they went over to Entertainment. Another artist that was on major figures, AB lava, he went over to Dr. Dre. So we kind of had this Optimus prime thing going on where everybody could go get their own money on a solo thing. And we go and do the group together. Jay and Dame came back with the offer. I didn't like the offer. I thought it was a slave deal. I thought we would have to sell a katrillion records to make some money. So I turned it down and that. That was the situation.

[B]

But what transpired after that?

[C]

I mean, some things, you know, some things were said about making it difficult for, you know, for.

[B]

For you to be in this game.

[C]

You know, but does that happen a lot? Yes.

[B]

If you refuse to sign with someone, it's like, okay, you're done. You're never. You're not gonna work in this industry.

[C]

It happens a lot in this game, you know, especially to a young kid that got talent, that's young and naive. He like you, man. What do you mean? You gonna make it difficult? I believe in God, Nigga. Shut up. But the reality of it is, is that they can make it difficult for you. You gotta understand. Wallo used to be Wallow was in jail, right? And he used to call home and I used to say, cuz, they blackballing me, man. And I didn't know that he thought that I was full of shit until he came home. And then we would bump into people and they would tell us like, nah, Gilly was on the list. Like, you gotta understand. Shout out to Cypher Sounds. You gotta understand. I did a. Because I was talented, people didn't wanna block me. So he brought me up to mtv. I was on mtv, I did an interview on mtv and the interview was so powerful that they got a call from Universal, said, you'll never get an exclusive again. Wow. If you interview me, I'm just a kid just trying to get on. You gotta understand. I'm in the car, I'm on my way to 50 Cent House. Cause 50 Cent wanted to sign me. Shout out to 50, you know what I mean? And I'm in a truck with Cosmic Kevin Shout out biggest DJ from Philadelphia. And he calls DJ Khaled and he says, man, Gilly got this record that's moving. And Khaled says, yeah, Gilly, I see the record is moving. Ye. Oh yeah, you know all this fake shit. And then says, are you still beefing with Lil Wayne though? I said, what the does that have to do with you, man? First of all, Wayne dissed me, right? Anybody I ever had an issue with, they started the shit. I never start nothing. I mind my business. Anybody know Gilly, he sit around, he smoke his weed, he work, he do his work and he mind his business. Anybody I ever had an issue with, ever, they started this shit with me. It's just that I'm ultra aggressive. So then when I come back, it's like, damn, that was crazy. Like, no, if I'm getting in the ring with you, bro, I'm not throwing jabs. I'm throwing jabs and hooks and uppercuts. I'm trying to get you the out of here, right? So for me it's always just been, I mind my business, you with me. Then you get what come with that, right? You know what I mean? But back when I was speaking on cause you got me off this goddamn cognac. It kind of especially good though. Smooth too.

[B]

Yeah, we gonna see you with a bottle that you celebrate.

[C]

Let's move through my thought process. He gets you with that shit. You hear me, man? Shout out to this though, man.

[B]

Shaved by laportier.

[C]

Shaved by La Portier. I'm about to take something eat.

[B]

It's a VSOP that drinks like an.

[C]

XO and the shit's smooth too. You sneak up on you, motherfucker run up on you like a bank robbery.

[B]

So Jay signed. He signed State Property instead of you?

[C]

Yes. Well, they had went and got the deal, and then we didn't sign the deal, so they had the deal lingering around. So they put some guys together from Philly and made it happen. And shout out to State Property. All of them is my guys.

[B]

When you signed with Suave House Records, did you have to move to Houston?

[C]

Nah, nah. And shout out to Tony Draper, the realest CEO that I ever met in the game. You know, I went down there and, you know, Drake was the first person that showed me that this rap shit was real.

[B]

Drake. Drake.

[C]

Drape.

[B]

Oh, Drake.

[C]

Tony. Drake.

[B]

Okay, okay. Tony, Drake.

[C]

Cause I got this Houston. And, you know, he set me up nice. He had the car pick me up from the airport and I get to his house and the gates opening. Oh, oh, he got all the cars lined up. I'm talking about Vipers with zip up windows. Yeah, I'm straight from North Philly. I'm like, what the. The bench and the Rover and the Viper and the Bentley. And then he come out and the glowing. Like, I don't know if the was doing skin regiments back then, but the nigga was glowing. But this 1990s, he looked like he was. He was floating too. I'm like, that's what black excellence looked like. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

He like, come on in and got the fish tank built in the wall. House is immaculate. This look like maids clean as every hour on the hour. And, you know, and then he took me over to the studio house. Another immaculate. And it was just like, oh, shit. You know what I mean? You can really make money from this shit.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

You know what? I'm. Cause I didn't grow up a rapper. I didn't even have cable TV growing up. I never seen no rap videos. I had one dream, to go to the NBA. That's it. I started rapping in college, playing around. We just used to smoke some weed. My man, he had a little radio, had a mic. He played some beats. We say anything, we busting out laughing. One day we was like, we gonna write something. I wrote a rap. We came back, I recorded it. They never. They was like, yo, you never thought about rapping? I'm saying. I'm saying shit like this, man, stop Playing, man. I ain't no other ass rapper, man. Fuck is you talking about, man? Stop playing, man. Because I didn't look at rapping as being a cool thing. I just looked at it as just some fun something to do, right? And then when I come home that summer, that's when the robbery happened. That's when I get kicked out of college. And that one rap that I had was better than any body that I came across who had a thousand raps. Wow. My one rap was better than any rap that they could. You gotta understand. I had four songs out. The fourth song I ever made was number one on the countdown on Power 99 in Philadelphia, the biggest radio station. So they like the number two song, Destiny's Child, and then they like number one. And I got a bidding war between every record label, Def Jam, Priority Atlantic, Tony Draper didn't come on to the end. And I might got 12 raps. Literally. Like I went to the studio. The song was called Love for Gilly. I went to the studio and I was like, what I'm a rap about? And the guy was like, Marcus Graham, who was my manager at the time, said, well, he wasn't really my manager because he just was somebody that was just rolling with. He said, make a song about what you got love for. Make a song about what you don't got love for. And I was like, okay, let's go. This is 1996. And I just went in the studio and I'm like, I got love for thug and thug Mrs. Marijuana, smoke mo papas and dime sippers Drug dealers, credit card counterfeiters locked up in all of my broke I got love for wild parties and wide bodies Sweaters by Imani killers like John Gotti Bad women in short dresses with huge breasts the buggy eyed Bens with the triple head it's my time to shine, you know I'm going blind. And Gilly got love for other baby moms and what if hating on Lil Gilly was a crime? It be no men left here. They all get the death cheer in the top three. But I might be the best here. Low rug beats and belinds and my guess wear. This is 1996, right? I don't even know how to rap. But a motherfucker just said go in the booth and write a song about what you got love for and what you don't got love for. Okay, that's easy. I know what I got love for, what I don't got love for. And then that song is number one on the countdown, right?

[B]

So when you got there was eight Ball. MJG was a few.

[C]

Eight Ball. MJG was there. Ross was there. His name was Teflon at the time. Yes. Damn.

[B]

Then you signed with Cash Money, got in the van for 200k, right?

[C]

Yep.

[B]

But you never released a song. Why?

[C]

Because this how I got signed with Cash Money. It was a show at the first. At the First Union Center. I think it's called the Wells Fargo.

[B]

Okay, Right.

[C]

And I was supposed to perform. Rockefeller was performing at the time. Me and Beanie and Roc, a fella, Beanie Siegel, our clique and his clique had went through something. So Rockefeller made the call and got me off the. Off the show. Baby heard about that and was coming a few weeks later and put me on the Cash Money show. When I came out, they watching. When I'm walking off the stage, baby say, say, bro, you want to come at the Cash Money? I got a S for you, brother. At the time, I was in a contract. I was still. Was in a contract with Tony Draper. But Tony Draper, like I said, he was like my. My brother, he was like a older bro. He gave me the game. So I called him, I said, yo, man, I'm trying to do this, going this way. And he said, all right. That's the situation. He was in breach of contract, so I could have just left, right? But he was so real to me that I said, you know what? This is what I'm gonna do. I know how bad they want me. I'm gonna get them to pay you, as well as give me an advance to get me out of the deal. And that's what happened. So then they wanted me, so they hurry up and did the deal. After we did the deal, they wanted my publishing, but the number they was trying to give me for my publishing and the number that I was asking for was two different things, right? So they never was able to get my publishing. We talking about a record label that owned everything.

[B]

So you was like, nah, I can't do that.

[C]

No. So if they got everybody else's publishing on the label, and it's like, I'm coming in. I'm from Philly. No, you can't get my publishing. So it's like, okay, put him on the back, broni. He gonna break. But I'm not gonna break, right?

[B]

So what is publishing? That means you own.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

So you own the record for.

[C]

Yeah. So if. So if you write a record, you get a percentage of the record.

[B]

Okay?

[C]

If you don't own the publishing, you don't get no percentage of the record. So if this record plays for 20 years, 30 years, they make money for 30 years and you get none. Nothing.

[B]

So they didn't want you to have any. They didn't want you to have 10%, 20%, 30% of the publishing. They wanted you to give up your entire right to the publishing.

[C]

Nothing.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, you did it right. You did right.

[C]

By that.

[B]

What have you learned or what did you learn or how have you learned about the music industry?

[C]

I learned that all of that shit is fake.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yes, all of it. That's why I don't go to no parties. Because all of it is fake. All of it is a bunch of fluff. All of it is a bunch of drunk lying to each other. Man. We gonna get together, man.

[B]

Mister.

[C]

Yeah, baby. I ain't got your number. Shut up. You ain't got to lie to me no more. I'm rich. Matter of fact, I'm tracking you down and I might buy a couple of you masters. You ain't got to lie to me no more. I don't see, you gotta understand, I'm this motherfucker, right? They call us, right? They say, gilly, we wanna invite you to the Roc Nation brunch. I'm the nigga that's here. Why would I wanna come? Why wouldn't you want to come? I said, you want me to keep it real with you or you want me to lie to you?

[B]

Keep it a buck.

[C]

I said, the Roc Nation brunch ain't of nothing but Jay Z putting a bunch of on the lawn and then going in the back door and saying, I told you I still run this shit. Give me the money.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

You think I'm letting a use my brand, huh? See, Rich, sit like this when you.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. See how you turn to that.

[C]

I got this shit from Russell. I ain't there yet, but I be seeing the rich like this, you know, they get a little money, they cross their legs and shit. That's all this is, man. Let's keep it real. I got. I work, I operate with 26 major brands. You think I don't know what branding is? Come on. We don't work from New Amsterdam Vodka, Manscape, Harriet Razors, Roman Swipes. You name them, they come to million dollars worth of game because we move the needle. I don't let nobody allow to use my brand with their brand. What do you get from going to these parties except for a picture? Don't even smile with you if you ain't worth 500 million or more. Let's be for real. The only smiling they do is when the billionaires in the picture. Look at all these broke ass on the lawn. Come on, man. I ain't with none of that shit. I don't want to party with you. I built a way for myself. I made a way for myself. I made my own way. Me and God, man. So I don't want to kick it with you. I don't want to do nothing. I want to stay in my own world, smoke my weed and make my content and keep kicking you asses. That's what I like to do.

[B]

The beef with you and hav with Wayne, how did that come about? Was there a misunderstanding?

[C]

It was never no beef.

[B]

It was just a misunderstanding.

[C]

He disrespected me. On the record, I responded. That was all. I got a lot of love for Wayne. Shout out to him, man, I'm glad y'all cool now. Yeah, yeah, I'm cool with everybody.

[B]

Don't seem like you're cool with everybody.

[C]

I am. I don't have no issues with anybody, okay? I just. I'm 48 years old. I ain't got time for that.

[B]

Yeah, you too old to be beefing now.

[C]

I ain't got time for the dumb shit. And I ain't got time for trying to trick a nigga out of position to make your brand look good. I ain't got time for that, man. Okay. I'm 48 years old, man. I got kids that graduated college, man. We trying to do great things, man. I ain't. I got grandkids, man.

[B]

That's the second time in three days I done heard somebody say that. Master P said that on our live show the other night. He said, man, you gotta be careful. Cause people will try to trick you out of your position.

[C]

Absolutely. So I don't wanna come kicking with nobody. I like to stay in my world because I understand one thing. Who seven years back wasn't trying to kick it with me? Come on, man. Now I developed a lane, guy. I said, you never gave up. These. Had you doing security at Ross right now. Pointing to the irregular polo tees you never gave up. Now I understand that. All them had money for years. Guess what? They is burnt the out. I gotta recharge a fresh pack of six pack of D batteries in my back. I'm gonna run these in the hole. You hear me? Yes, in the hole. And I told y'all before, I'm coming to buy a couple you masters. I ain't lying.

[B]

You ain't gonna do it like that.

[C]

Gary, crazy as shit. I'm coming. They gonna get paid. But my family gonna eat off you for the rest of your existence and even when you ain't even here. That's my goal in life. It's two I gotta buy. They masters, you gonna.

[B]

You feel some type of way, huh?

[C]

No. They gonna get a shitload of money. But I wanna own your life forever. I don't want your kids to eat off this shit. I want my kids to eat off this shit because you didn't wanna see me eat. So is it even exchanged? Ain't no robbery.

[B]

Even swap ain't no swindle.

[C]

You getting a shitload of money, man. I'll do some Michael Jackson shit. How much you want for that shit? Offer him 10 more million than what he want. Wow. Get the masters.

[B]

Let me ask you a question.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The cash money model, Birdman, I mean, he had them all.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

I mean, he had the rap game. There was a stretch for about a decade.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

He cornered the market.

[C]

Let me tell you what I admire about Birdman. And everybody know I don't really with him like that, but I'm real his hustle, okay? Ain't no gonna out hustle him. He gonna hustle. See, that's the. That's what. That's what people don't understand. They think, oh, you gotta be the smartest person here. You gotta know, all you gotta do is hustle. And when God think that door should open for you, he gonna open it for you, right? So nobody is. You gotta understand. I was around cash money for four years, man. We used to wake up, go to the studio, hustle all day, leave, go to the club. Leave the club at 2 o'clock and go back to the studio and be there at 8 in the morning and then wake up at 1 and we right back in the studio. So the one thing I did understand from cash Money and I did learn from cash Money is that you gotta hustle different if you really wanna win out here.

[B]

So if you wanna be different, you gotta hustle different.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

But let me ask you this, Gilly. You can help me. Because why is it that all. When you get money, people always think you did something seedy. Where you the Illuminati or you, what, they gatekeeping? Oh, here's an overnight success. But nobody sees, nobody cares to know the grind or see the grind. All they see is the success and think it happened overnight. And I get that. I get upset because. Hold on. What about the 10 years I was on CBS? What about the seven years I was on Fox. So how is that if that's 17 years, how is it overnight?

[C]

Right.

[B]

What you see is overnight. I saw is a 17 year grind.

[C]

Absolutely. And that's how it is for me. You gotta understand what million dollars worth of game I was giving out million dollars worth of game in 2012. Wallows didn't come home to 2017. So every day I would wake up and get a youth game. Let me give y'all a million dollars worth of game. Even when it was the videos was 15 seconds, right. I would give them something they could hold on to.

[B]

You'd give a million dollars for a game when it's only $5, right?

[C]

That's what.

[B]

How did you come up with that name, million off with a game?

[C]

Well, I always. That was always one of my sayings. Like, it's a video of me, Meek and Black De Niro in the studio in 2009. And I said, I give you a million dollars worth of game for free. Y'all just don't be listening. I got an album called Million dollars Worth of Game that I dropped in 2015. So that's always been one of my. Because I always felt like I'd be giving game and they don't be listening, you know what I mean? And so when I decided to get a youth game, I said, man, let me give them some game where. As though they could. It's raw and uncut, but they'd be able to digest it, right?

[B]

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