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Hello. Welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay. I am your Host Shannon Sharp. I'm also the proprietor of Club Shay Shay. Stopping by for conversation on the drink today. He sold over 100 million records and has billions of streams. He's an award winning, highly sought after super producer, a Grammy award winning songwriter, a multi platinum selling rapper, a creator of anthems, a chart topping artist, an industry veteran, a multi talented musician, versatile star and an executive extraordinaire. He's gone diamond as an artist and a producer. A pivotal figure in shaping today's music scene with soundtracks of our lives. He has the Midas touch. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen. Hitmaker. What's up bro?
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Good to see you, huh, man?
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Thank you, man. Thank you. How you doing, man?
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I'm blessed, man. Thanks for having me.
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So when I always ask my guests this, when you hear the accolades that I read off in such a short time, what goes through your mind?
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Well, when I first heard it, I'd be like, Damn, I sold 250 million records. But that was the last thing that went through my mind. But man, just the journey, man. I think that a lot of people skip over the journey and don't really appreciate the journey. And I'm going to be honest, at times I did it myself. Because when you show boots on the ground and just going and going and going, you don't take time to reflect. And then, shit, look at me now, all them accolades. I ain't got no kids, no wife, no nothing. So shit, it's time to figure it out.
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Well, let's go ahead, toast that's coming. I mean, you've had all the success you mentioned, 250 million albums, record sold, all the billions and billions of streams. And now because you got caught up, so caught up in it. And people that get caught up in their careers, they understand exactly what you're talking about. Salute, bro.
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Cheers, my brother.
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Let me know what you think.
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I've been waiting to get that. Shay. Shay.
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It's smooth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's smooth. You're from Chicago? Yeah. What is it about Chicago? Why many, so many of you guys from Chicago?
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I think it's because like the environment, you know what I'm saying? It kind of builds you to be tough. And then deeper than that, for me, it's just more so like we didn't have a way out. People like, I'm older now, so I'm about to be 40, so everybody else, like the younger guys, they don't see it like that. Cause it's the Chief Keefs, the Lil Durks, the Chief Herbos, whatever. But when I was coming out, it was literally Common Twister, do or Die, psychodrama, Crucial Conflict, and Kanye. That was it. So it was like, you didn't have an opportunity to be like, man, like, if I was in New York, I would sit outside the Def Jam building 247 and wait for Jay Z to come out and rap for him and shit like that. Like, that ain't. Wasn't he really the opportunity? So I just think the music, it's a real musical city, though. Like, I mean, I'm gonna be honest. Like, my next door neighbor, like, for a while was Buddy Guy, you know?
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Really?
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Yeah. Like, okay, so, like, the music is in the city and it's just on us. Like, it's a real soulful town. So I think that that's where it really come from.
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What do you think's been the key to your longevity?
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The work. Like, I love to work, bro. Like, I don't like to do nothing. Like, people this around the time of Grammys and everything. I'm nominated for Grammys for other producers that I work with in situations. But I hate partying. I hate phony kicking it. I'm not really, like. I think if I. If I phony kicked it more, I might be like in a different space. But I'm just so dead focused on the word.
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If I f with you, I F with you. If I don't, ain't no sister. Hey, hey, bro. Yeah, ain't none of that.
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Cause when you in it so long, you see the same characters come around. So when you ain't had shit and they were shitting on you, you see them now you up, you see them again. And the tune change a little bit. So, I mean, I be searching for authenticity. But at the same token, it's the music business, so you gotta kinda play the game. But I don't play the game like that.
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Cause I had T Pain on. And T Pain say, bro, ain't nobody in this business, your brother, they your brother. As long as they can use you or you got something they want or can help them get the way they want. But when they say that, brother don't believe that nobody in this business is your brother. And I was like, bro, I mean, but I see you in the. I saw you kicking with people. He's like, no, I had to learn the hard way. And you said it like, hold on. When I was down that y' all didn't have time for hitmaker. Now I'm up now, boy, you be. Hey, you be dropping the beats right you like? Nah, I'm good, cuz.
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Yeah. See, I just think that man, like it's two ways to look at that. Like as I get older and go through therapy and shit like that. Like I never really got like the POV standpoint, like my POV not gonna be the same as somebody else, whatever. And then within learning that like they supposed to use me though, right? Cause I provide a service.
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Correct.
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But when you useless and you can't be used, then they ain't gonna with you no more.
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You know what I heard somebody told, I forget who it was, was on the show and says, yeah, oh, it said you. Yeah, at least I forget how it'll come back to me. But they said something very similar. Is that being used, at least I had a service to provide.
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Exactly.
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So if you can't be, you can't use somebody that don't have anything to.
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Provide what you doing? Ain't nothing happening.
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You mentioned G Herbo and G Herbo, I had him on and he's unbelievable. I mean, it's my really first time getting an opportunity. Cause I, you know, like when I get an opportunity to sit down and talk to people. Cause you have a perception of somebody that you see from a distance. But when you get an opportunity to sit down and you talk to them and you start to, you know, after 30 minutes, after an hour, you get a sense of like who that person really is.
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Right?
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And I had a sense and I was like, man, this is a good brother. I obviously he came up in some times and he had to do some things that I'm sure he's not proud of, but I think he's a good brother. And I heard him the other day, he said that, you know, someone tried to trick him out of his spot by throwing up a gang sign in the club in front of his face. He like, nah, I'm too smart for that, bro. I'm way, way, way past that. What is it about, like when somebody that I don't know, if the guy know him, he might have, didn't know, maybe, maybe it was a true gang, a banger or whatever the case may be. But why is it that when we see somebody that came from an environment, why we always. And they come out and they make it, why we try to put them back in that situation?
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It's crabs in a barrel mentality, my brother. You know what I'm saying? Like, I think that it's such a clout driven ERA right now, like a person would rather come and do some harm to you and be famous for doing harm to you than actually express that they truly like you and they fans of you instead of giving you the admiration and your flowers at the time. And I think it's just cause we raised, it's how we raised culturally, you know what I'm saying? Like for lack of a better word, black people are like known to hate on. That's why it's the Shade Room, you know, Like I mean TMZ is for. I feel like it's for white people or whatever, but it ain't as volatile as Shade Room or ball Alert or the things that we got going on. I just think that look, and I'm sure we gonna talk about that shit later. Like I was on love and hip hop. Think about like guilty pleasures, right?
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Yes.
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People like to see famous people not doing good so they can feel better about where their life going on. You know what I'm saying? So I really commend Herb for doing that. Cause I really know Herb. He a little brother of mine. Like I ain't gonna lie. We just talking yesterday and man, like he one of the good ones, he's one of the great ones. And I think that he realized what his purpose is. Cause when I met him man, he was just Lil Herb. I met him with Nicki Minaj when he came and did that Chirac song in LA for Nicki. So man, I love Herb, man. That's lil bro.
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Mm.
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Where were you when you heard what had happened to Von?
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I was in the studio. I told you. I don't do nothing but work. And the crazy things for me is that Von has such a good spirit. Like I did Von. I think I might have did Von biggest record besides Crazy Stories, a song called Steel Trapping, featuring him and Lil Durk or whatever. I think it's like, triple platinum, four times platinum now. And when I work with him, a lot of people see, I don't just make beats, Shannon. I make records. I make hits. You call me when you want a hit. You want a nigga to just play you some beats, go call him.
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That ain't what you fuck.
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Nah, the song come done. I'm in the studio 24 7. So when I work with a rapper, I'll present a beat with a hook already on it to make the job easier for the.
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Damn. He ain't got nothing to do with. Just lay a track.
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Exactly. Cause why would you want to do that? These niggas got to go tour all over the world. They gonna be big artists. They allow me to do the work for them, but they still gotta make it their own. Cause I could write a hook for anybody sitting in here right now, and they might not perform it the way that artist performs. So when I got with Von and he took those records and that was a demo, and he like, damn, gang, I'm really supposed to re. Say what you said? I'm like, yes, but put your own spin on it.
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Say it like you were saying.
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Make it true to you. And then that allowed him to do that. And I ain't gonna lie, we did those songs, and we did a bunch of different records. And then shortly after, he lost his life. And I felt like his trajectory was just going so high at that point. But you know how this shit go, man. Like, he was really one of them. So, like, I don't even think that with him passing, he would be too, like, caught up on crying about it. You know what I'm saying? Like, he lived and he did what he's supposed to do. I think he got farther than he might have thought he was gonna go.
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But here you said, harry's a guy, and you can see he's ascending here. Why not get off that train that's gonna either put him where he currently is, into the penitentiary. Why, when you go in here, why would you take a detour?
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Because Von is in the era of reality rap. So they thing was to go do shit in the streets and go tell Real street stories that academics or any of these different people can go put the dots together and try and connect it. Like, that's why people with him so much, right? Cause it was like, oh, I'm talking about this situation. It's a real situation that happened. I was involved with it to a certain degree, allegedly. You know what I'm saying? And it was just right there. So people were drawn to the reality rap of what he was doing. And now I feel like that area is kind of leading us right now to another direction.
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Because who is that? Started at. Somebody said up the street.
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Oh, yeah, 21. Savage.
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Savage said up the street. Because we saw what happened with YSL in Atlanta, and we see the things that. And it's like, man, look here. Up the streets. Where are you?
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Oh, I ain't in the streets at all. I'm an executive. I don't know what that talking about. Like, yo, yo, yo, yo, Shannon. Yo, listen, I'm. I'm from south side of Chicago, and I was blessed that my parents actually, like, your people had money they put in at work.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, they get on my ass every time I say, I never ate a sandwich, a hot dog, hamburger, grilled cheese, McDonald's.
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Oh, you had hot meals?
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Oh, I had chefs. And I had a.
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What?
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I had a decision to make. It wasn't really about what I was. You know how I'm like, you gonna.
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Eat this grilled cheese?
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It wasn't none of that. I was going to school with, like, a thermos with chicken noodle soup inside of it. Shannon.
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Damn.
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Yeah, man. I was moving different. So I was around the streets. Music led me to the street.
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Okay.
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I was living in the suburbs, and I was so caught up into the music and the DMXs, the Jay Z's. And back then, it wasn't reality rap, but you had to be true to whatever you were.
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Yeah.
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So I was the dumb that was in school that could have had a range rover at 16, but I wanted to go sell crack in the middle of the hood and think that I'm doing whatever I'm doing. And my parents was all the way up.
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You mentioned you wrote one of Durk's. Excuse me? Von's biggest song with him and Lil Durk. How was that experience? What was that like?
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Man, the experience was crazy. Cause you hear the stories about King Von and them, and then you gotta remember I ain't a street dude, right? So, like, I usually work in my own little zone. You come see me in my space. Like, how we just came to see you in my space. I had to go to him. Oh, it's 35 in the studio. It's like, yo, so I'm not in my comfort zone automatically, but is it.
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Necessary that they be here all day up here?
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Nah, I'm like, yo, bro. Like, I don't know what they got going on. They all y n's, though. Like, they all moving a little different. 20 pooh shiesty masks on in the studio. It's like it was throwing me off, throwing my energy off a little bit. But I saw the value in where he was going and the potential. So I was like, you know what? We take some of this shit off.
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Yeah.
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Me leave some of this shit at home. You know what I'm saying? We come real light, you know what I'm saying? And then let me open myself up to this different environment. And I ain't gonna lie. We did them really fast, knocked them out. And it's the same way with Durk. Like, Free Durk. When I go work with him, he was evolving. See, I worked with Durk on every album. He dropped pretty much throughout his career. And he evolved, though. I think he caught the. He started understanding the business earlier than Von or whatever, and start moving different, start positioning himself a little different. It's unfortunate to where he is now, but, man, like, Dirk and Von, they wanted. They should call. They own a Mount Rushmore in Chicago. Really? Of Y N's, right? Of younger. Of younger.
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I mean. And look, I know you don't like to speak on this, but you mentioned, like, unfortunately he got himself into a situation, and hopefully that works out for him. But I just. I wish guys would see what they have going before it's too late.
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For sure.
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Because like you said, you saw Von going here, Dirk going here, and then unfortunately, they took detours. And like I said, I mean. Well, we know Von. You like Vaughn. He was really. Whatever he talked, whatever he rapped about, he was really about that life. Cause a lot of people not really about that life. Hey, bro, you a studio gangster. You busting caps in the studio on wax. You ain't really in the street trying to let nobody have it. But they were really about that. And so I. You know, and because you're close to him, you know him, you know him on a personal level. It's not like we just from Chicago. Yeah, he from Chicago. I know of him, but I don't know him. You've actually worked with these individuals, so there's a closeness that you have that probably A lot of people don't have. And so I mean like probably when you heard like man, Derrick, really, I sure hope that ish ain't true, man.
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That messed me up too though. Cause you gotta think from Von passing and then you gotta remember Durk lost a lot of family too. He lost dthang. He lost his brother who was his manager. And these all people I knew from the beginning of his career.
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Correct.
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So I think you don't know how much trauma he might behold. And you know what I'm saying, like I couldn't imagine going through all that type of stuff. And I really know where Durk from. Like I really was around these guys. Like I'm about nine years older than Durk. So like Dirk was like lil, lil, lil Durk on the block when I was out there as a teenager or whatever. So I mean I just praying for these brothers. It's a mentality, bro. Like. And I see things shifting, I see the tides changing a little bit. But man, Chicago, like we just gotta do better. And like I think it need to be more OGs. They ain't had no OGs.
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Correct.
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I ain't give a fuck about no OG. They could beat up the OG, like that's the type of time they was on. So I'm just hoping that you know what I'm saying. People, people, you learn from examples instead of having to go through the situations they self, you know.
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Yeah. I think the thing is that a wise man learns from others mistakes. A fool learns from his own. But you know what my grandma used to say, boy, sometimes you have to bump your own head to realize how much it hurts.
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Yeah, for sure.
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And unfortunately sometimes we have to go through things for ourself. We can see it from a distance. But you like that can't happen to me.
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Yeah, I'm starting to learn as I get older, man, to go with my gut. If I think about something and doing something, I'm like, should I send this dm? Nah, let him down, let him n still sent it though. But you know what I'm saying, like we gotta pull back a little bit.
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You worked with Kanye early in his career. What was early Kanye like? Man, did you see working with him early, early 2000s? Did you see what everybody came to? I mean he's a genius, of course, bro.
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So Kanye west used to live on 95th street in Ath and we used to go over there. My mentor is a guy named Boogs who works heavily with Kanye West. So we used to go over there all the time rap do all these different things. And I'm gonna be honest with you, the man. My demo was produced by Boogs no ID and Kanye West. So Jesus Walks, the Kanye song, was on my demo. Cause he was moving them beats around this before he made the song Jesus Walks. So on my demo that got me signed at the age of 13 to DMX. I had one of the biggest bidding wars going on as a kid rapper, it was Jay Z, DM. Every company, probably 10 different companies wanted to sign me at the time. And my demo had Jesus Walks on it. So that was like my first time, like really collaborating with Kanye and being around him and just feeling the energy. He was already a legend before, you know what I'm saying? Like, he was doing Jay Z beats. Like Jay Z was, you know, to us, we know what Jay Z is.
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Absolutely, absolutely.
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But him to be where we from and doing Jay Z beats, he was already a legend from the jump. Wow.
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So what do you think the biggest difference is? Kanye that you met and Kanye now.
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Oh, you're a billionaire.
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That's the difference.
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The paper. Yeah, you know, the paper turn you over. It's only a few handful of people. And I know you can relate to this. That get a large amount of paper that still stick to where they roots is. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not saying ye is a person that didn't stick to his roots because he a grown man. He older than me, man, almost 50. He can make his own decision. But at the same token, I think money and fame is the most dangerous drug you could possibly take.
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It's addictive. It's addictive. It's intoxicating too. And kind of once you have it, you want more of it.
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Exactly. And that's what I'm fighting with my therapist about right now. She like, when is it gonna ever be enough?
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I get the same thing.
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I'm like, I don't know.
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But I don't know what I would do if I didn't work. What would I do? I mean, what? I mean, what? I mean to go travel and to go do all this stuff for what?
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Shannon, my dad's 76 years. Hello. Malcolm Glabel here. We're here in New York City with T Mobile for business recording. Another episod of revisionist history about how 5G network slicing strengthens trust and connections across worldwide industries.
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Right, the man own like 15 three flat apartment buildings in Chicago. The man still get up and go to them buildings every day, check on his tenants, do all the shit. I'm like yo brother, we multimillionaires. He's a millionaire, I'm a millionaire. Why don't we hire somebody to do that? But he won't tell me. But something in me tell me that when you stop working you dead. So I look at him like, he crazy. Like, yo, like, bro, you done retired. You done with all this shit. Let's sell them buildings. Let's get you a house in Miami, somewhere close to me to where I can hire, like, a little fine nurse or whoever. At your house. Caretaker coming through getting you good. You know what I'm saying? But at the same token, he won't leave. No, he won't do it.
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D
What do you think about Kanye recently? I think he took out in the Wall Street Journal or New York Times, where he apologized to the black community. He apologized to the Jewish community for some of his rhetoric, realizing. And he's made it like he's dealt with some things in the past. And I'm not here to make excuses for Kanye. Kanye is a grown man, and his apology, his letter, his editorial speak for itself. But what do you make of that?
- [24:36]
A
I think this the best apology he's done throughout this whole time. Because it was like. It wasn't apology based off, like, man, I want your acceptance back. It was just more so like a statement like, yo, like, I'm working on myself. I'm accountable for what I did.
- [24:49]
D
Yep.
- [24:50]
A
I know I up. And it's the first time he said he was up with black people. Yeah. So that, you know, I mean, you gotta know, like, either the PR team done ramped up with somebody, Auntie somebody, a black lady running his PR right now, or he's very genuine about what he really feels. And I think that him being genuine would be the best thing, because the man catalog and just what he means to us. You ain't even gotta be a rapper or a musician or nothing, but he. You can't talk about life in our generation and what it is without Kanye west being mentioned. Yeah.
- [25:23]
D
I mean, you look at what he's done since he burst onto the scene in the early 2000s to what he is now. And not only just what he's done, what he's been on other people and helped them do.
- [25:35]
A
You know what? I think Kanye where it started going bad at, and yay, I love you, John. Monopoly, all y'. All, don't take me no way. When I say this, I think that when he went up there and took that award from Taylor Swift for Beyonce, no matter how much Henny he was on or how drunk he was, he was doing it for the right reason. Yes. He like, yo, I'm an advocate for music. Let's be clear. Beyonce had the best shit smoking right now, and now we letting the politics change. And I think he was stoned for that. And he might not have been support the way he thought he was going to be supported. I lied when he said George Bush don't like black people. He thought the outpour of the support was going to come the same way. And once he didn't receive that support and he got shamed for it and he, like, I did this shit for somebody else. This ain't even my Al.
- [26:21]
D
The whole. Exactly. It wasn't like I lost album of the year.
- [26:24]
A
Yeah.
- [26:25]
D
I stood on the table for someone else.
- [26:27]
A
For the culture. Really, though.
- [26:28]
D
And this is what the things that I get. And I agree with you, I think that he thought he was gonna get more support than what he got. But even if he had gotten the support, the support on the other side was far too great. Because they control all the awards. They can control everything. And so you gotta, you know, at some point in time, you kinda have to play the game within the game.
- [26:46]
A
Exactly.
- [26:47]
D
I'm doing my own thing. But you understand how this machine works when you play Ms. Pac man, you know how to get to the end. Yeah, for sure. There's a pattern that you have to follow. And everybody's like, well, I do my own thing, bro. I get you do your own thing, but it's kinda hard when you don't own everything that you own. So you might say, well, well, I own a business. But do you produce everything that you own? Do you sell everything to yourself that you own? So you need other people involved. And then when they shut that power off, you just own something that you don't have anybody to sell it to.
- [27:23]
A
I think it's a fine line between handling your business and selling out.
- [27:29]
D
Yes.
- [27:29]
A
And everybody is trying to walk that tightrope.
- [27:32]
D
You absolutely are.
- [27:34]
A
Like, I'm trying to tell the truth, but hey, I ain't trying to get. I get this shit bigger than me. You know what I'm saying?
- [27:40]
D
I need o'.
- [27:40]
A
Brien. Hey, this ain't.
- [27:41]
D
Hey, this is bigger than me.
- [27:42]
A
It's bigger than me. Everybody going down this motherfucker. I go down.
- [27:46]
D
Yo, crap. A sports figure. Derrick Rose, hometown hero, just had his number retired by the Bulls. What. What does D. Rose mean to the city of Chicago?
- [27:59]
A
I think he up there with Kanye. For real. For real. Like, because he from the city. Like, we love Jordan. Everybody love Jordan. He the greatest of all time. This man really went to Simeon. He really was at them schools to where we could go see him. Like, he was really a part of what was happening. And then to do that and then to get drafted by the Bulls. Then how your number retired by the Bulls? Like, I don't know if it. And ain't he in the hall of Fame or he on the way?
- [28:25]
D
There's a possibility he's on the way. But I mean to have your jersey retired by your hometown team, a team that I'm sure you grew up watching. Because look, everybody was a Jordan if you was Chicago. You a Jordan fan, Facts. You a Jordan fan, Facts. As simple as that. And just like, damn, man, D. Rose, man, I remember when D. Rose, when he went to Simeon and man, he won the state and he did this and he did that, man. Now he on the Bulls and now he got his jersey retired. Dreams come true for Chicago. Just for Chicago. He's up there with Jordan. He might be bigger than Jordan. Just for the city of Chicago.
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A
I think so. Cause he actually from Chicago.
- [29:03]
D
Correct.
- [29:04]
A
Mike. Wait, see, is Mike from New York or is he from North Carolina?
- [29:09]
D
He was born in New York. It's kinda like me. I was born in Chicago.
- [29:13]
A
Oh, for real?
- [29:13]
D
But I grew up in Georgia.
- [29:15]
A
That's why I with you. You in Chicago, man. What's going on, man? I knew something was going on, man. That Yak, man. What's up? Everybody from Chicago like Yak?
- [29:24]
D
Yeah, they do. That's some good stuff right there. That's premium the neighborhood, right? I read that Shawna from the DDP was from your neighborhood in Chicago. How did she help your music, bro?
- [29:38]
A
So, damn. When I fell in love with the music, right? Her brother, his name is Ice Drake. And then she was signed. She had a deal with Relativity first and she had like a group, I forget, infamous Syndicate. It was her and a girl named Tifa. And as you know, or maybe you not know, buddy guy is her daddy. Oh, yes.
- [30:01]
D
So that's how you. So, okay, okay.
- [30:04]
A
So we living in the center.
- [30:05]
D
Who's in center? Playing the guit, doing the movie.
- [30:08]
A
Exactly. So we in the suburbs, we doing whatever. And like she's my next door neighbor, like two houses down. So music was flowing through they household and my brother was like rapping and they were all like friends because Shawna's probably like 10 years older than me too. So they were all friends and they were all like making music. And it was really inspiring for me to see because, like, it let me know that, yo, this is possible. But I was really bad and I wanted to know about music. Boy, they did me dirty. They used to lock me up in the crawl space. They used to, you know what I'm saying, do all this shit to a Little that, you know, that you were supposed to do. But I was able to be around those early beginnings and see how she did her thing. And then not only that, further down the line, when we got more closer and my career evolved. Before I got on as Young Bird, she put me on her album. I produced on her album as well. And it was just like, she's a big sister to me, like, in every shape of the word. For real.
- [30:59]
D
So music from as long as you can remember, you've been around music?
- [31:04]
A
Yeah, for sure.
- [31:05]
D
It's been the only thing that you really wanted to do, huh?
- [31:07]
A
I ain't got nothing else to do but this.
- [31:09]
D
No sports.
- [31:11]
A
Hold on. My man here. Like, I got a J. I got a shot. Oh, I ain't finna be doing no running and sweating and all that other stuff, but we wanna shoot for some money. I'm the guy that you call. But in reality, man, I play basketball a little bit. But Sharon, you see, I got these product platforms on. I'm about 5 7, so I knew I wasn't going nowhere with that. And music just became my life. Just totally. I got my first record deal at 13. Wow. I dropped out of school in eighth grade.
- [31:40]
D
Hold on. So when you dropped out of school, so what'd you tell your parents? Considering as financially stable as they are, I'm sure education was a big key. Hey. They say, hey, we want you to get an education. We want you to go off. We want, hey, potentially hand the businesses down to you. And so when you tell your parents, mom, dad, I ain't going to school tomorrow, as a matter of fact, I ain't going to school no more.
- [32:04]
A
Right. So at that point, Shannon. So, like, my life is really like a movie. Like, I'm really gonna break this shit down, but it's a movie. Like, my parents, they're up.
- [32:14]
D
Boom.
- [32:14]
A
Normal shit. They get a divorce right now. As me being a young kid, I think my mom, like, progressed faster than my dad's life. Okay. So she started dating and going, doing whatever her want to. I hated that. I was the worst kid ever. Like, we in the suburbs. Like, my mom getting a kiss from her. Then she married. Ended up marrying this guy. But, like, I'm at the top of the banister throwing shit at them while they doing, like, I'm wilding out.
- [32:39]
D
You like, that ain't my daddy. Why you kissing him?
- [32:41]
A
Exactly. So at that point, I became so much of a problem child that I moved in with my father. Like, boys in the hood.
- [32:47]
D
Yeah.
- [32:47]
A
Like, so I went and lived with my dad. And he, like, I'm the king, you the prince. This, what we doing. But my dad, as I told you, he owns a lot of property and apartment buildings and real estate. So we went and moved into one of his buildings, okay? And he. My mom ended up getting a house and a divorce and all that. So my dad raised me from a real young man. But now we in a city now, no more suburbs. So now I'm close to the bullshit. And I was bad. So me going to school, like, he couldn't control that. I would go get on a bus he can't follow.
- [33:17]
D
I was supposed to be going to school. They ain't say I went. I actually made it.
- [33:20]
A
No, no, no. I put the uniform on to go to school. That don't mean. And I did go to school. But you know what I did, Shannon? What did you know, Lunch started fourth period, I go in that motherfucker for freshman lunch, Sophomore lunch, senior lunch, senior lunch. I'm in that boom, boom rapping, you know what I'm saying? Doing what we do. I ain't never go to school. I ain't gonna lie. I remember one time, and I ain't proud to say this, so kids go to school. Do what you gotta do, right? I was getting, like, straight Fs whole time. F, F, F, F, F, F, F, F. I remember I got D's. One time. They got me Jordans.
- [33:53]
D
Hold up. You got Ds and your parents got you Jordans?
- [33:57]
A
That's how much I wouldn't go with pro kids.
- [34:00]
D
Some bobo, you can't get no good at getting D's.
- [34:05]
A
Yo, I'm talking about. I got rewarded for the D's.
- [34:08]
D
Damn. Now, you know your grades got to be bad if you get rewarded for D's.
- [34:12]
A
I'm straight F's. I'm talking about all F's.
- [34:14]
D
They're like, well, this is an improvement, son. How did George go exactly when your mother and father got a divorce, right? Did you feel some sort of resentment because you're saying that when you saw her being with the guy, the gentleman that she ended up marrying, you felt some type of way? Did you have a resentment towards your mom for the divorce? Did you blame anybody in that situation?
- [34:36]
A
I think it was.
- [34:38]
D
Do you know why your parents got a divorce?
- [34:42]
A
You know, they tell you older when you older or whatever in the moment. But, man, like, how good this interview. I'm gonna tell the truth of this whole show. You see what I'm saying? So, look, it was a lot of things going on now that I'm older and I see men and women, relationships or whatever between however manipulation goes. And then we have a kid. And in the process of all that, I understand what was going on and where my parents was at the time. But I wasn't really able to really truly accept it at all. And that started to split between me and my mom. Like I told you, my dad raised me. So like, I was doing music and my dad was supportive of me doing music. My mom, not so much supportive. So like, man, like, I'm gonna give you the real tea. Like, man, like, my mom got me locked up, put me in jail, mad time, all type of shit.
- [35:30]
D
She called the folks on you?
- [35:31]
A
Yes, bro. I never forget, right? So, damn, we kind of speeding up. But like, my mom, I got my deal with dmx, right?
- [35:38]
D
Okay.
- [35:39]
A
I signed a dmx and like, I'm up there in New York. He moves me to Edgewater, New Jersey. I'm living in Edgewater. And one of my friends at the time, he had a gun. And he came in the house and like, we was all playing with the gun and we double cocked the gun. So the gun go off in my apartment. Boom, boom. It go through the floor, it go through all type of shit or whatever. I'm living in a townhouse. So now the police and everything is going crazy. I go back to Chicago and I'm around a bunch of street guys. This is why I got a record deal. This is why I'm working on music. And my mom was like, I'm not really close with my mom, but she wanted to see me. She was sending me two way messages on the Silver Skytail page at the time. She come pick me up. She like, yo, I wanna take you get some food before you go back to New Jersey. I'm like, nah, I'm really trying to do that. I wanna go shopping, I'm gonna buy some clothes, whatever. Take me to the mall and we.
- [36:24]
D
Can go get food.
- [36:26]
A
I had money though. I had a record deal, so I was buying my own shit. So while we get to the mall, she's like getting all these mysterious phone calls. Like, I'm gonna be parked by the Walgreens on the north entrance to this. And I'm like, who you talking to? And she like, no, it's my new husband. He's gonna meet us up here. This, that and the third. So in the mall, I come out the mall, my mom got a BMW at the time. Two big Samoans outside of the BMW and they like, hey, Chris, how you doing? What's going on? I'm like, I'm good. You know, by that time, I had a song on DMX soundtrack Exit Wounds with his movie with Steven Seagal. They like, we hear you do music. This, that and the third or whatever. I'm like, yeah. My mom like, chris, you gotta go to school. She jump in a Beamer, press the trunk. And then the Samoans get the bags out the trunk. Now I'm fighting with two big Samoans in the middle of Evergreen Plaza. That's a mall on the south side of Savannah.
- [37:12]
D
Yeah, I know Evergreen.
- [37:13]
A
I'm fighting with them or whatever. They throw me down, put the plastic cuffs on me. Now they put me in a car. So now I'm riding through Chicago. So we getting downtown. I'm like, where the is this school at? Where are we going? We get to the airport, so now we at o'. Hare. So, like, they escorting me through, trying to walk me through, get me the ticket or whatever. It's a black lady at tsa. She like, why you holding that young man like that? I'm like, I don't know him. I snatch away from him. I'm running through the airport. I take off running through the airport. Man, I ran to a dead end gang, I ain't gonna lie. So they come get me, put me on one plane in Vegas. They like, we can't tell you what's going on. We ain't gonna let you know what's going on. They gave me a letter my mom wrote once we got to Vegas, and it basically said she signed away all her parental rights to me, to this school, to this in the state. So they shipped me to Thompson Falls boarding school. Yep, in Thompson Falls, Montana. And like, this shit is on Netflix right now. They got documentaries about this same school. Like they was raping people, beating people up. They was taking advantage of kids, like. So I go there. I'm a recording artist at the time. You can't look at girls. They start you off at level one zero. Nothing. You can't have salt and pepper. You can't talk on the phone, nobody. I was cut off from the world. I ain't know nine, 11 happened. I ain't know nothing. I acted bad at the place. In Thompson Falls, Montana, they shipped me to a place called High Impact in Jamaica to where it was no child safety laws and could beat you the up. I had to walk a hundred laps with 100 pound brick on my back just to get back to Thompson Falls, Montana. And that's how I lost my record deal with DMX when I was signing them or whatever. And it just stripped me of everything. Like. Like, I never. I know Aaliyah dies, who I'm super close with. I was close with Aaliyah from DMX and just all this other stuff. And, like, me and my mom, you know, like, shit. Like, me and my mom ain't really close to this day right now.
- [38:57]
D
How could your mom. How could your mom slide away your rights? And your dad.
- [39:02]
A
Oh, see, that go back to what we were talking about, why I wasn't going to school. Cause I wasn't paying attention to my dad. That nigga blowing up my phone. I'm in the studio. I'm doing my own thing. He said, you took the keys away from me. He said, yo, I'm trying to stand up for you. I'm trying to vouch for you, trying to tell your mother, let's not go this option. Let's not take this route. And once I stopped communicating with him, it left him no choice. His back was against the wall.
- [39:28]
D
Had your mother not intervened and sent you there? And I know the relationship, and we'll talk about this a little later. Had your mother not did what she does. Are we having this conversation today?
- [39:40]
A
I doubt it. I was like. I was really a bad kid on a bad path. And, like, even though at the moment it didn't feel good, but looking back, in hindsight, like, it might have saved my life, it might have put me in a different position to where I could even be having this interview with you now. But the wound's so deep on that level, with that. The story keep going or whatever, I'm gonna let you know some more shit that went on or whatever, and then.
- [40:04]
D
You understand the dynamic as someone, as a child whose parents divorced.
- [40:09]
A
Mm.
- [40:12]
D
How do kids. What would you tell kids if you had a room full of kids, you were speaking to 300, 400 kids, and they're going through a very similar situation. Parents divorced. What would you tell these kids?
- [40:24]
A
Love your parents. They not perfect. They just humans. And you'll realize it later. And that's what people told me. But you never really look at it like that. In that moment, it's like, I want my mom. I want my dad. I want this because you had that.
- [40:39]
D
It was never a situation where I stayed with my dad, and then I go on the weekends with my mom. And holidays. One holiday. Thanksgiving, I'm with dad. Christmas, I'm with mom. This or that. Birthday, I'm with dad. Next birthday, I'm with mom. You had two parents in home Doing extremely, extremely well. And then all of a sudden, that get ripped apart. Do you think that had an impact on why you was going down the path that you go, or you had already started that path even when they were both in the home?
- [41:07]
A
I think it had an impact on it. Cause like I told you, it put me in a different environment. I was living in the suburbs. Like, we were living, like the. Literally, the ideal suburban life going to.
- [41:17]
D
You were the cleavers.
- [41:18]
A
Exactly. But then when they broke up, my dad took it back to the hood, and it's like, we in the hood. You know what I'm saying? So my experiences, I wouldn't have been around. I wouldn't have been able to meet Kanye West. I wouldn't have been able to do all the different things, meet my partner, bugs, my mentor.
- [41:33]
D
So theoretically, it was a blessing in disguise.
- [41:35]
A
Yeah, bro. The journey. That's what we were talking about.
- [41:38]
D
The journey is this situation between your mom and your dad. Is that what makes you skeptical of marriage?
- [41:48]
A
Well, I don't trust women at all.
- [41:50]
D
Come on, man. I'm sure you've had some relationship in your life where the woman has been everything that she thought that you thought she would be and more.
- [42:00]
A
I'm damaged. Good, Shannon.
- [42:02]
D
Oh.
- [42:02]
A
See, you gotta understand it, right? I've lived it on different levels, right? So I've been the rapper. Or that I've watched women do bad things to their friends or to get to me. Right. Then I seen it from the other end, too. Then. Not only that, I think nobody tells the truth about this is that. And this is what I would like to tell kids, like, people to get this, man, when you grinding, man, maybe try and lock in with something early.
- [42:30]
D
Yes.
- [42:31]
A
Cause you know she really there for you. Yes, yes. All this grinding and then you meeting me and I'm picking you up in a Lamborghini or a Ferrari or a Rolls Royce Spectra. You're always gonna be skeptical about who really is there for you or not. So it's just. I'm just damaged, you know what I'm saying? Now, I do got some women in my life. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna hold back on them or whatever that I think are really genuine people. But at the same token, now it's just so messed up, is that I have no regard for adapting to someone else's plan. I'm the masculine man. I'm in the leadership position. So it's really like, yo, this is what I'm doing. If it worked for you, and you want to be involved with it, great. If it don't, then, shit, let's just be the best of friends. And that's just where I'm at with it right now.
- [43:16]
D
Well, have you found anyone that understands the sacrifice, what it takes for someone in your position to stay in your position or even climb even higher? Do they understand? Do women. So when you tell it. Because everybody says I can be number two until they're really forced to be number two.
- [43:30]
A
Correct.
- [43:30]
D
Like, my career is number one. I'm always gonna be in the studio. I gotta do X, Y and Z. We gonna go on vacation. We gonna go out and get us a nice meal. We gonna do all that. But I just want you to know somebody called and say they need a beat. Next week, I'm dropping everything to go hit this beat.
- [43:48]
A
You know, they ain't gonna never understand that shit. Come on, Shannon. Like. Well, I think that. See, look, this what my hope is, right?
- [43:55]
D
Okay.
- [43:56]
A
So I am optimistic about things that's going on or whatever. And I think that when you really take it that way and when you in a position and you in a successful position, I think that the woman that you end up either marrying or being with has to be understanding your lifestyle and also maybe has to be a part of what you doing your business in some type of capacity, you know what I'm saying? To where she feels included in what's going on. Because, I mean. I mean, I ain't work this hard for somebody else to tell me what to do. Shannon. True. I don't care what you know what I'm saying going on. I don't care how you feel, nothing. I ain't work this hard for you to receive the amenities that come along with being with me for your feelings to dictate what I gotta do with my life.
- [44:43]
D
Do you think it's possible now to find a woman to love you through all these scars?
- [44:50]
A
Yeah. Cause I got money.
- [44:53]
D
But she ain't loving you because through those scars, she love you because of the money, the access that you give her. I'm talking about somebody that if Lord don't let this happen. But if you were not had all this money, if all of a sudden now you're an average guy making 75 to 100,000 a year, would she still be there? Would she still love you?
- [45:14]
A
No. What we doing with $75,000? Living, hopefully that pre or post taxes. Which one?
- [45:25]
D
We'll make it post taxes.
- [45:26]
A
I mean. Nah. Mm.
- [45:28]
D
Mm.
- [45:29]
A
Don't nobody don't a woman. Yo, whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop Shannon, I don't know if you in tune. Cause you are on the Internet, you work a lot.
- [45:35]
D
Yes, I do, but.
- [45:36]
A
But you see these young girls. It's young girls getting on streams that are streamers. Now that saying that they don't want a man that don't make over a million dollars a year, they be talking about 5 years, 20 years old.
- [45:49]
D
Do they understand how few people in the world make $10 million a year?
- [45:53]
A
Nope, they don't.
- [45:54]
D
Because when you say, okay, I want a man that's, let's say over 6 foot tall, you talking about probably less than 8% of the population. Well, I want a man that's educated, got at least a master's degree, maybe a secondary degree. You shrink it even more. I want a man to make 10 million. Now you talking about half a percent. So you want a man that's over six foot tall, that's educated, that's well versed, that likes to travel, makes $10 million a year. Now that man with all those attributes that you want, God will want you.
- [46:27]
A
I want all of y'. All. And that's what they don't understand. Like they all fishing for the same dude. Yeah. And the sick part about it is that like, I respect the women that actually go get bread they self and that are successful theyself, but they don't want to invest into no man that don't got as much as them. So on the flip side of things, that's what it's come to for us in the position that we are. Like, we gotta blindly just trust that a woman really likes us and that we don't care. Man, when I meet a woman, I don't care if she ain't gotta have nothing.
- [46:57]
D
True.
- [46:58]
A
We can go on Las Vegas Boulevard right now and wake up a homeless woman off the street. I can go take her to Miami, back over me, put the ass on. What you mean she had loved me for life? Like, you really changed her life. Yeah, but then you got the other woman that think that that's the entitlement that come with it. Because she used to dealing with a lot of successful men, but they never wifed her. Right. It was only temporary.
- [47:22]
D
Yes.
- [47:23]
A
Like a lot of the successful men got some women that's respectfully not as beautiful as the women and as they side pieces, but they more thorough and they at home and they know where they loyalty.
- [47:33]
D
Like, wow, it's. I read somebody, somebody said it, I heard it. They say men want to accumulate money to take care of others. Women want to accumulate money to become independent. True.
- [47:50]
A
It's sad, but it's true.
- [47:51]
D
Because we women, women will say, I'm not changing who I am, I'm a blah, blah, blah. Men says, I love you, I'll change.
- [47:59]
A
See, but the thing is though, men, us as men, we be lying too. When we ready to change, we gotta put the fine print. Like I'm a change when I'm ready to change. So if you gonna wait it out.
- [48:10]
D
Yeah.
- [48:11]
A
Or you ain't.
- [48:11]
D
Right.
- [48:12]
A
And that's really what the reality of this whole situation is. But I'm trying to find a balance because it's like, man, Shannon living in an eight bedroom house. Dolo, I ain't got no dogs. That's. No, you got the dogs?
- [48:22]
D
Yeah, I got three dogs. Yeah.
- [48:25]
A
That's why it's kinda. You know, my most depressing part of my life is the holidays when everything shut down. When don't nobody wanna work no more in the studio. I gotta give grace to all my staff that got kids and all. Now you just sitting at the phone, looking at matching pajamas and all this other bullshit. You wanna cry, you sitting there drinking eggnog, crying and shit, you know what I'm saying? But January 1st hit New Year's Eve. They back outside, we back outside, we back to work.
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D
So is it, uh, you can be alone and not be lonely. You can be lonely and not be alone.
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A
True.
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D
Or you can be alone and still be lonely. And still be lonely.
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A
I mean, I think for a large portion of my life I was like, man, why don't I just. Like I could just be Eddie Murphy from Boomerang.
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D
I just got a new girl with.
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A
Me every other day of the week.
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D
Right.
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A
Do whatever I'm doing. But that's still also, that's hard for work too.
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D
Yes.
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A
Also draining. It's a lot of different personalities that you gotta juggling with and all that other stuff. Like I'm just, like, I'm just at a point in my life where it ain't like, man, I do want kids though, Shannon.
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D
I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, you better get. But the thing is. But here you done waited this long, man. Don't have. I mean, be with that woman.
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A
That's what I'm saying.
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D
I mean, be with her, be with her, boy. Cause all things being equal, yeah. I have three kids. And they're beautiful, they're all graduate. My youngest daughter is in residenc as a doctor. But if I could do anything over again, I would have all my kids from one woman. That's my really I love my kids and they're great. They've never given me any problem. And thankfully, knock on wood, none of them have my personality. But that's what I would do and that's what I would tell you. One woman, One woman. One woman.
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A
Yo, have you noticed that people are getting crazier and crazier as the days progress? Yeah, probably like it's these phones. Like it's just the thought process of it.
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D
You know what it is? It's the street committee. It's the Internet. Because when I was growing up and probably until, you know, the late 2010s early, you know, there wasn't no Internet, there was no social media. We get so caught up into trying to please living our life for someone else. I mean, I mean really, when I get on the Internet, I'm like, damn, I'm broke. I see women with all these Hermes bags and all these shoes and they on private planes and they got G wagons and they got Range Rovers and they got. I was like, well, damn, my life sucks.
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A
Fomo. That's what they selling to these girls, man. Fear of missing out. But in reality, like them, we know what them type of girls for.
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D
Yeah.
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A
So you basically, I should go get some weak shit, right? Like a cool like situation. Six, seven.
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D
Get you a solid. Get a solid seven.
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A
Solid seven with some good. And handle it like that.
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D
Probably more proud.
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A
I want better looking babies.
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D
But them the ones that probably got a lot of tread on the tie.
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A
Yeah.
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D
You know, the more you go up to 8, 9, 10, it don't be.
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A
As good as that. Mid. You can get some good mid.
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D
I'm talking about, man. See, you gonna get me in trouble, man. Man, me too.
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A
Let's get off the women.
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D
Yeah, yeah. So after your parents divorced, your mom ends up getting the home. Your dad ends up moving into one of the apartments in the city. So now where you was having to, you know, get, go get back to the city, right? You're in the city, I'm in it. You right there, smack dab. Is that kind of when you kind.
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A
Of just like, yeah, I wasn't getting no crack in the suburbs. It was like it made like, okay, so if I'm trying to appease to all these different rappers, I'm trying to get a record deal that the goal at that time was to get signed by a Jay Z, a DMX or somebody in that Rough Riders or these type of lanes. So I'm talking about. I was Pablo Escobar in my raps at 13. I got bricks and this and that and blah blah blah blah blah. I wasn't talking about. I was like bad Bow Wow, right? Me and Bow Wow had beef at the time when I was I first.
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D
Got out of record deal, I was.
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A
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A
It was authenticity and I think it bled through the music when I was actually doing it. When you actually taking them risks, when you actually living like that, it adds a little edge to you. It adds and only that the guys that I got these, my deal with and that, that took me to these places to get seen by these people. They were the biggest drug dealers in Chicago.
- [55:36]
D
Damn.
- [55:37]
A
Yeah, like these, these guys, like they had it all. And like we had a building on Halstead, 72nd and Halsted that the guy had owned and they transitioned into a music studio. So that's why I also didn't go home too, because the studio with the baby and I'm talking about like they laid everything out for me. Now, mind you, back then, Shannon, I was young. I was talking about selling crack. I ain't got no pussy yet. I was a straight virgin. I ain't went through puberty yet. I'm talking about Bald Eagle.
- [56:05]
D
I mean, hold on, you selling drugs and that's the whole party you supposed.
- [56:11]
A
To have the women, bro, listen, let me tell you the crazy shit. I lost my virginity to two prostitutes.
- [56:18]
D
Damn.
- [56:19]
A
So like I'm around these guys.
- [56:21]
D
Well, they hooked you up. See, they had you. They would do a somersaults on you. You like, it's like this all the time.
- [56:27]
A
I never forget it. One of the girl, it was Strawberry. And damn, I forget the other girl name. And I ain't gonna lie, they threw me in a room. It remind me of like Lil Wayne, how he said he lost his virginity. He said Birdman was like, hey, go suck Lil Wayne dick and just sit the old woman in there. I was literally like 14. These girls had to be like 25, 26, 27. And they sent them in there and they had they way with me.
- [56:51]
D
You ain't try to stop him though, huh?
- [56:52]
A
Hell no. Why you think I ain't want to go home? Boy, we smoking weed, we drinking. These girls taking advantage of me, man. I'm thinking I'm living a lot. I'm a rapper, I'm a real rapper, right?
- [57:03]
D
So you like, oh, so this way. I mean, drugs, alcohol, women, this the trifecta.
- [57:09]
A
I hit it yo, bro, I started off with smoking, drinking. I think I was drinking and smoking by a living. Damn. I think I took my first ecstasy pill at 13. Like we, this Chicago, you in it like that. Like this is just normal. This is a normal life. Like so when you see like a G herbo and like how we talking about, boy, this shit normal, like this overly normal for what's going on in the city. For real, for real.
- [57:33]
D
Did the streets give you the attention that your parents, mom, dad didn't give you? Because it seemed like your dad tried to give you everything that he wanted.
- [57:42]
A
He did.
- [57:42]
D
Everything that you wanted. He did. Your dad tried to give, but that was just. And like you said, you had a trust fund, your dad had buildings, your mom was gainfully employed, you had everything. There was no reason for you to dart down the path. Although it turned out very well for you to go down the path that you went down. Was it attention that you were seeking? What was it about the street that called you, that got its hooks in you and you just couldn't shake until you got.
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A
The Streets came with the music. So it was always the music. Music was number one. The Streets just came with the music because the funding for the music came for the Streets. So it was just a part of just. It was just one hand washed, the other type of situation. So I wasn't searching for attention from the streets. I was searching for validation for how good I knew I was. Like, I'm really him. I'm one of them. I'm better than Bow Wow. I'm bad Bow Wow, right? That was like my whole little scheme.
- [58:39]
D
At that moment you mentioned that, that your mom basically had you kidnapped and sent to a boarding school.
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A
Correct.
- [58:46]
D
And you go to this school. So what's a typical day like at the school?
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A
At the school, boom.
- [58:53]
D
You wake up at what time?
- [58:54]
A
Probably like six.
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D
Okay.
- [58:56]
A
You freshen up, hit the workout. Go eat breakfast now. Breakfast. Depending on what level you at, how your breakfast look, if you at level one, is that oatmeal, one boiled egg and gone about your way.
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D
That's it.
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A
That's it. No sugar in the oatmeal, no butter, no brown sugar, no nothing. Just the lumped up and an egg. That's level one.
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D
And water. Water to drink. Did you get milk, orange juice?
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A
Nah, hell no.
- [59:24]
D
Water level three.
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A
Yeah, that motherfucker jazzed up raisins, walnuts, motherfucking brown sugar, the whole. You get the salt and pepper for your egg or whatever, you get that. Boom. Then you go to school. So mind You. You in school. Say you catting off in school and you messing up in school. They send you to this place called Worksheets. Worksheets is like detention for the school. So you got to go in there, sit on a wooden plank or whatever, like, and just sit there and just stare at the. The wall for five hours. If your head move in the slightest form from that violation, five more hours. So you keep sitting there. So now. Now you act up in there, they send you to this shit called the Hobbit. The Hobbit. Different. The Hobbit is like a hotel for some bullshit. Like, you gonna stay there. You don't even go back to your own camp or whatever, right? They send you to the Hobbit. This what your meals is in the Hobbit. So, boom. It's literally a wooden board with some carpet on top of it. That's your bed. Your breakfast is a piece of bread and a slice of cheese. Your lunch is. Hello.
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D
A piece of bread and a slice of cheese.
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A
Mind you, your parents paying $5,000 per month for you to be in this program. Like, maybe 10. I think it was like 10. They spent my whole advance for me to be in this program. Like, for them people to come kidnap me or whatever. I think that shit cost like, 7,500 for them to wake. Bro, they got a shit on Netflix. There's a whole documentary about this shit. Like, niggas come wake you up out your sleep and just come kidnap you out your house. So, boom, you in a Hobbit. Lunch is a lima bean burrito. So it's just a tortilla with lima beans inside of it.
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D
Ain't no meat or nothing?
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A
Nah. And dinner, you go back to that slice of bread and that cheese. Now you act up at the Hobbit. That's when they ship your ass to Jamaica. And that's how I went. That was how my stay was.
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D
Damn, you was on one.
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A
I was signed. I was an artist. Like, look, this how the mind games they play with you right now?
- [61:20]
D
No, you was an artist outside of. You're not an artist in there.
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A
Yeah, I was an inmate. Damn. Like, I ain't gonna lie. Like, that shit was worse than juvenile hall. Like, and all the other shit. Like, I went to juvie. It was worse than juvie. They play mind games with you in there, Shannon.
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D
Damn.
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A
And look, while you in there, they telling you how much of a piece of shit you are for the shit you did. And then why your parents got you in there, they got seminars happening that your parents Fly to. So where they go, they got other parents that got success stories or that they got in pocket to say, no, this is the best thing for your kid. This is the success. Meanwhile, they up there raping. They up there doing all type of shit. It's just a sick, sick place, bro.
- [62:00]
D
So they telling what. But there ain't nobody telling your parents about the horror stories that your kids endured. They just tell them the great side of it, bro.
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A
They think that we walking, holding hands, Kumbaya and all this other shit, and all in there killing theyself gang.
- [62:13]
D
Wow. You signed the DMX at what, 13, 14?
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A
Mm.
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D
How did that situation happened?
- [62:21]
A
Wow. So, damn, this is a crazy story. So at that time, like I told you, I had the street dudes that was taking care of everything or whatever. We go to la. A trunk of the little. The King Von entourage of us. It's 20 of us, 25 of us, all street dudes. So we go out there and there's a guy, his name was Joe Exclusive. He a gay guy, he a stylist that this dude named D1 who was a part of the label had connects. So him being a stylist, he was at a bunch of different places. So we got invited to what these want from a video shoot for dmx, right? So we go to the Paramount, lout. I'm there vibing. I ain't gonna lie. At that time, I'm like four foot four, Shannon. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like I told you, I ain't went through puberty yet. I had all the bricks. I ain't went through puberty yet. I'm like four foot four. Okay, so we on set, and I never forget this. DMX walks over you like, hey, yo, shorty, I'm gonna go do this real quick. I'll be right back. And he opened up his hand. He had a bunch of weed in it, you know what I'm saying? He like, yo, I'm finna go smoke pretty much and come back. So, boom, he goes smoke. They send me in a trailer and they like, yo, rap for him. So at that time, I thought my flyest shit was like some Chicago shit. So I was like, I think. I don't know if anything with the temps won't complement to the hemp y' all better. The fast twister, tight flow or whatever. He like my. I don't know what the. You just said you got another one. So I do another one for him, and the whole trailer go crazy. Aaliyah in the trailer all these different people, whatever. Now mind you, I'm four foot four, right? So I'm really a kid. Like it don't look like I look younger than I really am. So from there we lead a video shoot. That next day, I'm on top of the world. I'm super excited about it. I come back to the video the next day. Cause this in a three day video shoot. Hype Williams just shot the video. It's that type of budget. Okay, okay. So we at day two now, he told me come back, I come in, they playing my. He playing my demo out his trailer, blasting my shit. Soon as I walk like a movie. Like when I get to the set, my shit playing out his trailer now he going crazy. He like, shorty, I'mma sign you. Not gonna be fast, but I'm assign you. That time we had Jay Z, we had all these different people. But I never forget DMX is my favorite artist. It's the same year that he dropped the two albums. Flesh and My Flesh, Blood and My Blood, and then the Other, and then that was X. I think they both dropped in the same year. So. So at that point, that was like the year before I met him for Christmas, I asked my dad for DMX cd. And then that following spring, I met the trailer with him. And he playing my shit out his trailer. So he ended up doing that, ended up signing me. And that was the turn of our relationship.
- [64:58]
D
If you could do it over, is there anything you would do differently about that situation?
- [65:03]
A
Yeah, yeah, multiple things. I wouldn't have let that gun go off in that house that he got me that beautiful townhouse. And then deeper than that, I would have just understood what he was going through. I ain't know what he was going through or what demons he was fighting or what his battles was at the time. So I always was upset. Cause I felt like I could have got more attention or we could have been doing more different things. But it's so hard to be the guy and then to try to put other people on. So in my career, that's what I always wanted to do. I wanted to have attention to the people that are actually working with me to make sure they got what they supposed to get out the situation. But I done had the crazy. Yo, Shannon, I ain't gonna lie. DMX movie. He's like one of the most interesting guys I ever met. Like, I'll never forget, we in Toronto, Canada. We staying at the Sutton Place Hotel. Remember how I told you I lost my virginity to prostitutes? He took my first piece of too.
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D
Oh, you supposed to get some.
- [66:02]
A
And he. Man, listen. So.
- [66:05]
D
Oh, come on, man, listen.
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A
We in Toronto, right? And DMX love Push, man. Love pool halls and shit like that. So I mind you, they got me in a club with the pool hall. But dmx, at that time, he had police following him around in Toronto. He was like the mayor of Toronto. Like, I seen that. Send the police to the hotel to go get a pound of weed for him. Squad car police.
- [66:27]
D
Damn.
- [66:27]
A
Yeah, like, he was having his way. So we in the pool hall. I never forget it, man. Like, it's a bunch of groupies around, you know what I'm saying? I'm the young guy or whatever. So, like, I got me a girl, I'm vibing with her, and then I'm in. Like, it's time to go. So, like, I'm in with the entourage. He in the front. You know what I'm saying? His car. I'm in the back in the truck with the entourage. I got the girl with me. We get to the hotel, they like, send a dog up first. The dog gotta go up first, so he go to his room first. We all still waiting on the cars to get out. So I get out his room. He got the presidential suite. I probably got the room right next to the nigga. I ain't gonna lie. So we get there, I got the girl with me. I been making out with the girl in the car.
- [67:05]
D
Oh, you like? Yeah, yeah, boy.
- [67:09]
A
I got up through that damn room and put my key. This like a dog. For real, though. Rest in peace, X. He's like a bloodhound, bro. I'm talking about. I was putting my key in the door. His door swing open. He like, yo, shorty, what you doing? Who is that? And then she like, hey. He like, hey, yo, Ma, I think you left your purse in my room. Mind you, we ain't been.
- [67:30]
D
We ain't been downstairs, brother. Hid, I know you ain't fall for the Okie doke.
- [67:34]
A
Yeah, I did. Shit, I dmx, she. She left. She left with that. I went back in my room. I had to wait for the prostitutes.
- [67:41]
D
Oh, man.
- [67:44]
A
Dmx, one of the best people ever, and he got that, too. He told me the next morning, like, yeah, I handled that for you.
- [67:50]
D
Nah, I could have done that, bro. I had that. I had that under control.
- [67:54]
A
I thought. Let me give you one more about X, man. Yo, so look, we in the studio. He making a song called do you with Irv Gotti. Rest in peace to Irv Gotti. We all in the Studio, Studio. We in Toronto. We doing a song at that point. Shay. I ain't gonna lie. I saw X. He used to do the Remy Martin vsop, the Grand Crew.
- [68:14]
D
Yeah.
- [68:14]
A
So he drank two fifths by himself.
- [68:17]
D
And was still able to stand up.
- [68:19]
A
Walk around, recorded the song, did whatever. Two fifths by himself. We leave his wife at the time I think was with us. Shout out to my brother Ali. It was a bunch of us or whatever. I'm riding in the car with him, boy. We get to the car, he must have left something in the car to keep the car in the studio. Let me tell you this. Like. No, for real. All right, all right, whatever. He lay on the ground like a dog and start crying like a dog. And he fell asleep on the concrete in the street by the beans.
- [68:54]
D
What?
- [68:54]
A
And you know the rule, right? Don't nobody wake the dog while he sleep. So now we just sitting out there by beings. Why this cry like a dog and go to sleep for four hours. You can't wake the dog while he sleep.
- [69:10]
D
Lord have mercy.
- [69:12]
A
I'm keeping a hunted, keeping a brick with you. Can't wake the dog while he sleep. You lose your job waking the dog while he sleep. Shannon.
- [69:19]
D
So y' all just standing around this man laying on the concrete.
- [69:22]
A
Yup. Dead ass. I'm not lying. He's laying in the middle of the street. Police with us. The whole thing, bro. Hours. That's how big he was. Wow. It was colossal.
- [69:33]
D
It's hard to believe that in the late 90s there was any rapper in the world bigger than X. I'm almost.
- [69:39]
A
In full belief in Jay Z, my favorite rapper all time. But I think DMX was bigger than Jay Z at that point.
- [69:45]
D
Oh, I believe it. I can believe it. If you talking about the late 90s, early 2000, like 90, 98, 97, 98 2, 2001. Yeah.
- [69:55]
A
Absolutely unbelievable times, man. For real. For real.
- [69:58]
D
Got him. So let me ask you this. How did you get out of the boarding school? So you must have behaved at some point in time or you just got too treacherous. They like, we can't do nothing with this.
- [70:09]
A
Hell no. You know what happened? My daddy and my mom are having a little turmoil that's going on, and I don't know what they was going through or what landed on his heart. But that man drove up there, got on a flight, got a rental car, and came to Thompson Falls, Montana, and came and got me out that program after probably like 10 months.
- [70:26]
D
Did you ever call and say, dad.
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A
This place ain't for Me ain't no.
- [70:29]
D
Phone, so you can. So there's no contact with really with the outside world.
- [70:33]
A
Ain't no phone, ain't no newspaper, ain't no tv, ain't no nothing. I ain't know nothing happened. I just told you 911 happened and I ain't even know what happened.
- [70:40]
D
Wow.
- [70:41]
A
Yeah. You cut off from the world completely.
- [70:44]
D
So it had to be something on your daddy's heart, man, that he got that. He took a fucking and drove up there and said, I'm going to get my son.
- [70:50]
A
And when we riding, he telling me, he like, man, you know, I know you love this music shit. Like, I know you can't really. Like, you were wrong. But I think you had enough. Like, you don't deserve. Like, you did a lot of accomplishments to get to this level. You did a lot of bad, but you did some good at the same time. And the first thing we did, we went to Target. I got that Jay Z blueprint, I got that Nas IM album and then I was off to the races from.
- [71:14]
D
So where did you go after he comes and get you and you get on a flight and you fly back? So where did you go?
- [71:19]
A
I moved in his house.
- [71:20]
D
So you moved with him back in Chicago. So how did you end up in la?
- [71:26]
A
Alright, so I'm living with him in Chicago. He starts paying for studio time for me and helping me develop my shit. And then I become Shawna Hype Man.
- [71:34]
D
Okay.
- [71:35]
A
So at that time, like one of my friends who lived in la, he was like a serious weed man. And he started sending up me and my peoples like 100 pounds of weed every week.
- [71:47]
D
So you gotta break that down and get off it.
- [71:48]
A
Yeah, I was going breaking it down, getting money, being in the streets or whatever, doing whatever, getting my little money, I became Shyna Hype Man. I went around the country with her. Cause she had getting some head at that time. Now she was with dtp, with Ludacris and all. So her career going crazier and crazier. And then from there I ended up meeting Troy Carter and Jay Ear because I knew Eve from dmx.
- [72:12]
D
Okay?
- [72:12]
A
So Eve was like a big sister to me and Troy Carter and Jay Irving was Eve managers at the time. They ended up meeting me, taking a liking of me, and they moved me to la.
- [72:22]
D
So you moved to la, you ended up moving in with Eve?
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A
Yeah, to a certain degree for sure. I used to, I ain't gonna lie. Like, I had my spot. But then when shit got bad and I wasn't getting no Money. I used to live at the UPN lot. Remember Eve had that TV show on? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to sleep in her dressing room or whatever. They used to have to come wake me up before I used to sleep on the lot.
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D
Damn.
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A
Trying to make this shit happen, man. Eve was so good to me. Salute to Eve.
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D
But she changed your name to Youngburg.
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A
Yeah, my name was Iceberg. Like, I used to wear a lot of Iceberg clothing line back in the day or whatever. So my name was Iceberg. And this around a time when, like, everything was young. Young. Hov young this. Da, da, da. She was like. She called me Young Berg, and that's how my whole name changed and it stuck. Yeah.
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D
So how much did you write on her album? Did she let you write on the album?
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A
For sure. Her last album that she dropped was called Evolution. I end up writing her the title track with her or whatever. I did the hook on that, and that was like, my first real writing placement in a game as someone that was, like, writing for another artist. She was so graceful to allow me to go in the studio. Salute to Teflon, who made the beat her. And I ended up writing the hook, and she kept my vocals on it. And that was just, like, the start of everything. I'm like, oh, shit.
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D
Like, so prior to that, you had only wrote for yourself and so. Cause who was I talking to? I had Snoop Dogg early. Early on Club Shay Shay and Hov wrote Still Dre. I'm like, snoop. How does someone write a song for someone else? And it sounds just like Dre actually wrote that song. It's still Dre Day. I'm like, how did he do that? He's like, you just have to be the person, know the person, know how. What he sounds like. So you had been around Eve enough to kind of knew kind of how she would sound, the words that she would use. Because that's. You know, when you do stuff like that, you have to be able to really. You become Eve to an extent when you actually write this vocal.
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A
See, and I was Lil Bro, too. And she gave me an opportunity. So I didn't. Like, I didn't come into it knowing that I would even have that opportunity. I was just Lil bro who she believed in and she allowed to be around. And then when they gave me that alley oop, and with me being around her, I'm like, man, I can't drop the ball on this, right? And she ended up loving it. Like, I was super surprised that she even ended up loving it. Cause I went and it turned. What's crazy is, like, it was the same process. I went in there, had some drinks, smoked some weed, got in the booth, did the hook immediately or whatever. She came in, she loved it. She redid the hook, and then, shit. It was on the album.
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D
She's married, I think she has a kid.
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A
She up, up.
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D
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She leveled up.
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A
I don't even think she remember me no more.
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D
Do you see her? Do you see her rapping again?
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A
Hell, no. You see me rapping again, I catch a beat. Hell no.
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D
You done. You done. If you get a beat.
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A
I'll be honest with you, Shannon. I think I'm at a place where I'm comfortable now, where I could be done. I don't even have to do anything.
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D
Oh, you gonna pull a hole?
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A
I could stop doing anything, but to me, it's like the job not done yet. I got to make some more people millionaires. Like, I got to put some more people in position. I think that that's really, like, my whole. You ever. You ever realize that you really just blessed to be a blessing?
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D
Yes.
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A
And I just. That's. That's my whole forte right now.
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D
Right. One of your biggest songs early in your career was Sexy Can I. Ray J, when you're writing that, when you're in the studio with Ray J, do you have any ideas that this record's gonna take off?
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A
Fuck no.
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D
Do you ever have a night like when you.
- [75:57]
A
I don't.
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D
I hated it.
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A
I hated it.
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D
Why?
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A
So at that time, my first hit was called Sexy lady, right? And then I had another song called the Business With My Artist. And I was really trying to build my label, too. You know what I'm saying? So my artist was on the song. And that still song is still a cult classic. It's multi platinum to this day, too. But I wanted to go to that song next, right? But the head of my company, Salute to Charlie Walk, he was the head of Epic Records at the time. And I'll never forget it, man. I wouldn't do that damn song. Ray J and them, they kept asking, I wouldn't do the song. And I come inside this man office, and this man gotta be about five, three, and he tap dancing on this piano to the song Sexy. Can I. I think he on coke, too. I ain't know what was going on. Like, he got like. He give you that little vibe, too, and he like it. Yo, it's gonna be the biggest song of your career. I'm like, what? Nah, hell nah. He like, I'm like, bro, I'm gonna be the sexiest man in the world. My single out right now, Hot 100, is Sexy Lady. Now I'm coming with sexy. Can I. What the hell? Name my album? I'm Too Sexy. Like, nah. Like, yo, bro, like, I wanna go to this next song. He like, it's gonna be the biggest song of your career. He like, what's it gonna take for you to do the song? I'm like, man, buy me a chain, man. Call Jason of Beverly Hills, man. Give me an Epic Records chain. Show me how serious you are about this. I get you. I get you good.
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D
So that's what you tell Ray J.
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A
No, I told this to Charlie Walk, president of the company that we signed to.
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D
Yes.
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A
So he like, I bet. Call him up. He buy the chain. So I'm like, oh, it's getting made. Oh, I bet. Say, listen, I'll end up doing a song in Miami at the same studio that I work out of right now. Wow. Yep. Called Circle House Salute to BB his father. You know, that studio is so legendary. You have a cops bad boy. His bad boy inner circle is their studio, the people that sing the song. So it's a legendary studio. So I ended up doing a song there, and then from there it was like, all right, bet, I think this is gonna be something. And I think that when I knew it was gonna be really good, is came back out to LA to finish the song with Ray J. And it's me in the studio. Tierra Marie is with Ray J. That's his girlfriend at the time. I ain't know that. I didn't even know it was Tierra Marie. I thought she was a bad chick. Cause I didn't know what was going on. And I had the girl that said the hook on my song. That was my artist, who I was also dating at the time, too. I'll never forget this session. Shannon, we coming there. He in there. He got a gun on the table. I'm like, what? What is Ray J on right now? I'm thinking, Ray J, like, come on, bro, he got a gun. He had just did his deal with Vivid for Kim Kardashian for the porno deal that they end up doing. He like, man, you know, I'm in my vibe right now. Perk. Like, I don't even want to. I don't want to disrespect your woman. Can I put these on? And he put on. He showed me a bunch of vivid DVDs of porn. So he gonna watch Porn while we doing the song.
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D
What?
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A
Yeah, on the big screen. He want porn. He said, nah, I'm good, cuz it was his session. I'm like, you do the you wanna do, it's your session. I don't know what you. I mean, I'm coming to.
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D
I don't know what you want, but. Okay, okay, go ahead.
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A
Boy, he playing that shit. So we finishing the song. I'm doing, like ad libs on the song and finishing the song. We putting the final touches on together. He like, let me go in the booth one more time, man. I gotta do it one more time. So he going there, he hitting his note. He like, can I just have some fun? And he going off with it. I'm like. I'm like, what is this doing? Tierra Marie. Like, boy, if you don't shut your.
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D
Ass up with this bullshit.
- [79:27]
A
She in a control room with me. She clowned up. He like, girl, this is my Stevie. This my Stevie Wonder. I'm trying to hit my Stevie at the end. She like, yo, Stevie. And then from there, song came out. And I'll never forget it, man, that skyrocketed as soon as it dropped. I don't know how it happened. The perfect storm of situations, but it skyrocketed as soon as it dropped. And then, I mean, the. The video shoot is a whole nother different story. You know I went to jail on the set of the video, right?
- [79:55]
D
How.
- [79:58]
A
We there? First shot of the day. I'm smoking a blunt or whatever. We got police securing us on this. I hit the blunt, I throw a roach out. Police come. He must have been having a bad day. He picked up that roach, smelt it. He said, is he a lead guy, principal on this video? They said, yeah, not today. Lock me up in Miami the first shot of the video. Put the cuffs on me. Took me to jail in Dade County. So now I'm in jail. I'm like, damn, this shit is crazy. I'm freezing, though. Like, I think I had, like a tank top on, you know? They throw you in that jail, boy. Cold as hell. I'm in that freezing. They trying to give me bologna sandwich. They don't know. I ain't never had a sandwich before in my life. I'm like, hey, yo, yo, these niggas is tripping. I'm trying to get out. Next thing I know, probably like six hours later, they like, ward, you can get up out of here now. Guess who bailed me out of jail.
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D
Who?
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A
Shaquille o'.
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D
Neal.
- [80:52]
A
You lying on everything. Shaquille o' Neal and Ray J had a partnership for Sexy Canine with that record Shaq. It was on Shaq record label. Shaq came and bailed me out of wow. And that's how I get back to the video set to complete the video. You wouldn't even know it cause the video tricks of the in the editing. But like bro, like I was gone. It was nighttime by the time I got back to the video. I got back, filmed the video and it became a success.
- [81:15]
D
Prior to this song, had you ever met Ray J before?
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A
Once or twice. And I was just like not, not like as a friend or nothing like that. I was a fan of his album with one wish on it or whatever. And then not only that, he was Ray J. He was hitting everybody. So I'm like, yo, this my kind of guy. Yeah, this bit gotta be around me. I gotta get some of this fruits of his like what's up man? What we doing? And that's how we link.
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D
Did you know Ray J was this crazy?
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A
Mm.
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D
He always been like this.
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A
Mm. Let me tell you something Shay. Once Sexy can I took off. Rest in peace. Him and Whitney Houston and they were a thing. They were a couple. Hello, Malcolm Glabel here. We're here in New York City with T Mobile for business recording another episode of Revisionist history about how 5G network slicing strengthens trust and connections across worldwide industries.
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That's when I knew he dude, it's crazy. Wow. And when I say crazy, not in a bad way, but like, look, we in your stomping grounds. So sexy. Cannot going crazy. We in Atlanta. And Ray like, man, I got a surprise tonight. Boy, you gonna love this. I'm like, what? He like, you gonna love it. Next thing I know, we at the hotel Whitney with Ray. So he like, Whitney coming to compound with us tonight. We gotta show at compound. He like, Whitney coming with us to compound. We finna go crazy. I'm. I'm like, what?
- [84:32]
D
Yo, what, bro?
- [84:34]
A
You're not. This shit is a movie. So we get in the suv, Ray J's sitting like in a backpack. Whitney's sitting right here. I'm sitting right here. So we get the compound. Now Whitney's a real, like, for real, for real. Like, we ain't got no liquor. She like, send them niggas in there, go get me some patron. They come out with the gallon of patron. Me and Whitney drinking out the patron. Two hand drinking out the bottle like this, chain smoking cigarettes together, talking shit.
- [85:02]
D
Blah, blah, blah blah.
- [85:03]
A
And she went in there and she supported us while we was in there on stage. Whitney Houston was on stage with us in compound while we did the record. It's pictures of it and all type of shit on the Internet and this, that, and the third. But here go the craziest part. We get back to the hotel Shay I ain't trying to blast it up or whatever. So you know Rachel had dawg. So we left compound.
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D
I know he listen to me.
- [85:26]
A
We left compound pound so now he like, how many extra rooms you got, cuz? You know how you. You, you. You moving like. You got a room for this, that and third. Some couple my peoples that left. I got a couple of them. Shit, whatever. He like, let me get that extra room. I'm like, all right, bet. So I give him the key. So now I'm looking for him or whatever. I go to his room. Boy, I go in a room. It's like a suite. Walk around. But when, boom. You know, Whitney getting undressed in a room in Ray J room, she like, get out of here, Youngberg. I'm like, oh, shit me up, man. Cause Ray J was down the hall with one of my little joints. You gotta get him. You had him on here.
- [86:10]
D
I have. Oh, boy, I sure wish we knew this story. Yeah, we definitely to see Whitney. And. And I'm not saying she's the top three voice.
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A
Yeah, you are.
- [86:24]
D
You are woman's voice all time. And I'm not saying she two or three. Were you in awe when you said, man, this is Whitney Houston?
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A
Hell, yeah.
- [86:32]
D
This is Whitney Mofo Houston.
- [86:34]
A
Hell yeah. She had that glow, bro. She had that aura. You know how people talk about aura right now and all that other stuff? Like, she had it. But you wanna know what it was? It was very rich, though. Like, I thought it was like, you know how you watch Whitney and it's like, yo, you thinking like, and I will always love you.
- [86:51]
D
Yeah, you're all Gl. She got the gown on and everything.
- [86:55]
A
Whitney gonna let you know. She from Newark. Don't play. Rest in peace.
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D
No cap. So when you in jail and they say, howard, you good to go? Okay. You know, you getting up out of there, did you have any idea that it was gonna be Shaq that came and got you up outta there?
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A
Hell no.
- [87:16]
D
Did you know that Ray J was, like, on his label or anything?
- [87:19]
A
Yeah, I knew, but I. But who really thinking about it at the time. This was the time when he was with the heat and he was a sheriff or whatever. Yeah. So who really thinking that that was the case? Like, he ended up being at the video later that night and all that other stuff too, or whatever. So we able to put all the piece together, but it was the first shot of it. I ain't never met Shaq before in my life.
- [87:37]
D
Wow. So when you got in the car, what did Shaq say to you?
- [87:40]
A
Come on, little man, I'm just playing with you. Nah, man. Salute to Shaq.
- [87:50]
D
Was that the only time that you ever. Have you ever had any other interaction with Shaq after that point?
- [87:55]
A
Hell no. He Just being. He just deal with all the same women that I deal with. That boy Shaq is savage.
- [88:04]
D
Yeah, let's go ahead on. We gonna move on. We gonna move on. We'll just talk about that. But recently Ray J said that his heart is only functioning at 25% and he doesn't have much time. He say. I mean, I think I read where he said 25, 20, 27. He definitely gonna be out of here. When you hear stuff like that, you do you. I mean, it's hard. Don't tell me you finna call Ray.
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A
J. I would love to, yeah. But look, I'm gonna show you. I'm gonna show you what I said. Cause you know, I. I can't. I gotta. I gotta be. Look at. Look at my last text for him.
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D
Okay, I'm done. Craig.
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A
Officially all the way at the bottom. The last thing I said.
- [88:42]
D
You trolling?
- [88:43]
A
Yeah, with the question mark. I don't know what you doing. You trolling gang? Like, what's up? Are you trolling?
- [88:50]
D
Yeah. Okay, I'm done. Crash out campaign is officially a wrap after today. Just one more after today. It's over. You at 1:40pm you trolling?
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A
Yeah, bro. That's really my brother Shay. So it's like. I don't know, but I mean. I mean, if that is the case, like, man, I don't like it. And I'm gonna be right there for him. Whatever I could do. Cause he changed my Life. That's a 10 million seller, right?
- [89:20]
D
What was it like being a teen star? You like, you get in this business, you're 14 years of age and you start ascending right away and you have access. You around dmx, you're around Eve, you with Ray J. And Shaq come bail you out of J. So you're around some of the biggest musical artists in the game. What's that like for you?
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A
I don't know. I was wild. I was even wilder than I was as a kid. I used to wake up every day in Papa Ecstasy, just be wild and just like a terror. Just like a bad person.
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D
Do you remember a whole lot about that?
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A
Hell yeah. Every moment of it. Like there was some of the greatest times of my life. Like, I ain't gonna lie. Like, I don't shy away from that. And I blame Ja Rule and all them for that. For me doing ecstasy and all the other stuff. Cuz you got to remember I was at the Murder Inc. Mansion at the heyday, right of when they was doing all that type of stuff or whatever. And when I Seen Ja Rule take a Ecstasy and make them type of songs. I said, that's where I'm going.
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D
That's what you doing.
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A
And I went.
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D
I don't really know how to ask this question. But you said it. You said there were times when you were on the Scream tour that mothers would hand deliver their daughters.
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A
Correct? Correct. See, but see, Shannon, this pre Instagram, we were wilding.
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D
Yeah.
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A
Like, I would go to the radio station with my people and be like, call it 99. Da da da. You know how everybody on the ship, we at Hot 97. Yo, we in New York. Ain't no Instagram. 310253. Da da da da. Call my man right now. We finna go there. Meet us at the. We were wilding out, like, on a whole nother level. So I've definitely, like, been hand delivered. Like a woman. Like, yo, like, this is my daughter. I think she's a great look for you. I think I see where you going. Would you mind, like, taking her home with you tonight?
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D
A mother giving you.
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A
That's why I said I'm damaged, because I seen the money outlook early, when I was still pure, when I wanted that real love and that real connection or whatever. I seen the motives. So it's like. And I wasn't even as rich as I am now, and that was crazy.
- [91:42]
D
When you let your guard down, think about it. Here you are, you say you're about to be 40, you got in the game. So you've been in this thing for a quarter century, and you seen it all. All done it all, heard it all. Is there any way he can let his guard down and say, baby, I trust you, and let somebody get that close to you?
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A
Yeah, it's coming soon, but I think the situation just has to be so beautiful. Or it either has to be so left field or it has to be so in my field that we both. This what the real. Damn. Nobody want to say that settling down is a very. Like. To women or to other people. Has a bad connotation on it because.
- [92:22]
D
You think about it settling. Nobody wants to settle.
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A
We gonna have to.
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D
Yeah.
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A
It might not be as dramatic or as drastic as someone thinking that, oh, you gonna have to deal with a man having 20 kids behind your back or whatever. You settling in some degree, right? I might. Here's an example. Sexually, I can't. I could be overly satisfied, and I could be not satisfied in another dynamic of what? She might. Can't cook.
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D
Right.
- [92:50]
A
She might. I'm settling. Right. The woman's settling too. She might want a man that can just go to work nine to five, come home to her, give her all the attention that she want, and be there for her, right? If she deal with me, she's settling, if that's what her vision is. So I think that us as men and women, we gotta come to the table and say, yo, I'm comfortable with settling, settling down. Yeah, I'm a settle it some way.
- [93:12]
D
But here you do realize that you're never gonna find a woman that have every attributes that you're looking for. She's 5, 10, she has this here, she has hair, she has a job. You know, she's built like an Athenian goddess. You're never gonna can cook. She's educated, she's well versed. You're not gonna find somebody that has everything that she's gonna be even. She's gonna wait on you, your beck and call. Because you gotta realize if she got her own, because now you're gonna ask her because she's gonna ask you to do a little sacrifice. And because two people can't sacrifice in a relationship, because somebody gonna go to.
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A
Hell if I don't find it in the next two, three years. I got a lot of faith in Elon. How he making them robots that my budget gonna be able to get it and it's gonna be able to do whatever.
- [93:58]
D
Don't you want somebody to come? Don't you want somebody? Honey, I'm home. Hey, honey, how was your day? When you're having a bad day, like, hey, you just couldn't get that beat like you wanted it and you got somebody, and you got somebody that even. That you haven't told her that something's going on bad. She knows you.
- [94:18]
A
I do. I want that. I really. I think I want the kid dynamic more than anything, though. I would love to see like a little me, you know what I'm saying, pop out or whatever. And I just think that like we said, the women's situation is just all feelings based. I've been in situations with great women where they've allowed their feelings to outshine what the big picture is. And it started, you know what I'm saying, and shit then spiraled out into another different direction. So to me, it's like, man, I'm trying unk or them robots coming, hey.
- [94:51]
D
You do realize now, if you get one, I mean, I guess they. But I'm assuming that if you waited this long, you're gonna be you. Like basketball, one on one.
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A
Wait, what?
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D
I mean, you get this. What?
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A
Huh?
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D
Oh, here Come on.
- [95:08]
A
You think that's realistic for me to tell a woman that I'm only gonna deal with her for the rest of my life as an og?
- [95:16]
D
So you don't believe in monogamy or you don't believe in it for you?
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A
I believe in Ro. Respect. How you respect her, what you don't know on her. Long as I'm doing what I'm moving the way I'm supposed to move, and I'm moving very tactical. You don't see nothing. I ain't in no blogs. It ain't nobody pressuring you, coming to you as a woman.
- [95:36]
D
So you try to move like Delta Force. Like they went over there at God. What you call about?
- [95:39]
A
I'm trying to tell you. I'm trying to tell you that's the only way to move, though. Like it. I. It's. It's. It's certain cheaters. It's the cheater that just don't care, right?
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D
He reckless, careless with it.
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A
It's the cheater that. The double life cheater. The. That's spending the money that's putting somebody up. And this, that, and the third. I think that cheater hurt more to your woman anyways. Cause when she. These women find out you allocating that money into.
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D
Yeah, yeah. She got Birkins and got an apartment and got a G wagon arrange.
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A
But don't nobody see the phone. Messed it up. Cause I think that when men initially start doing that, they were paying for privacy. Like, I'm gonna get you some money for you. So for my wife not to know about it, for this not to be a thing. So I think that hurts more. And then there's the cheater that. The passport bro. Cheater. The guy that's in Bali with the Maldives and you don't know what's going on.
- [96:32]
D
Well, it was intense. I thought it was just one. I thought it was gonna be your wife, your girl.
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A
And you think I'm going to Mafi coast with one woman?
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D
I would. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That's what that came to my head.
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A
No, it's a group trip.
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D
Oh, you got some Du Bois going with you, so, you know, preferably not.
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A
Maybe like one or two. Oh, my goodness.
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D
You must be on them Sparks.
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A
Hell no. I'm on that. I'm in the Shay Shay. I'm on this La Portier.
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D
You think women gonna sign up for that?
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A
Hell yeah. You. You go, bro. You in sports, right? You were in sports. You in entertainment now? Yeah, but let's take it off me and you. Let's just go ahead and just put a blanket statement. You think anybody in the NBA is faithful?
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D
I do. The. The.
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A
The. The one that's been locked in. That. That. That. Had enough. The. The Udonis Haslam.
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D
Yeah. You need.
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A
Definitely.
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D
You need, like, about mine.
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A
You think that homeboy that got Drea only dealing with that. What you feel about Drea? She 45.
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D
I like Dre.
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A
I like her, too.
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D
Like I said, man, I don't really know. Look, I mind my business. See, me, I get 12 hours. I get 24 hours of the day. 12 hours, I mind my business, the other 12 hours, I stay out of everybody else business. So I'm. I'm busy, right? This. I mean, and people like, well, she's this, she's that, and she's. That's a grown man. That man can vote. He can buy alcohol, he can rent a car. He can do all that stuff on his own. He know what he doing.
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A
Well, I can look at how he moving. Can tell he ain't grown. Like, he still got some growing up to do.
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D
But we all been there.
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A
Yeah, but he ain't ready.
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D
Hey, I don't know. Drell, come sit down and talk to.
- [98:26]
A
Me about it, please. Come sit down with her. Put us all down. Sweet Drea, we love you. You know what I'm saying? Respectfully.
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D
Yeah. I mean, I don't.
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A
Look, I think I guarantee he something other than her.
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D
Man, don't say that here. Cause I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to put that out there in the universe.
- [98:43]
A
Man, is mad horny. You talking about, do I got Roman Sparks? Cause I'm about to be 40. That nigga don't need no sparks.
- [98:48]
D
Nah, he don't need no sparks.
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A
He more mad horny. Yeah.
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D
Cause I remember when I was that age.
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A
How many away games in a year?
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D
41.
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A
Went. Went 41 0. He lost one of them.
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D
I hope. Hey, bro. Hey. I hope. Hey, Jayla. Man, I hope you faithful to your girl. I hope you.
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A
You.
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D
Hey, I hope y' all good. I hope y' all locked in. Me, too.
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A
It ain't got nothing to do. It ain't. It ain't do enough for me. So I wish y' all the best.
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D
Oh, my goodness. You've been making money at a young for a long time. Young age. What's one of your worst purchases I seen?
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A
I probably did it last year. I think I did. Bought like 12 cars in one year.
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D
12?
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A
Yeah. You one.
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D
Dude, why you need 12 here? Why you need 12?
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A
You know, I lived in LA, so I wasn't doing a lot of driving.
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D
Yeah.
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A
You know what I'm saying? I was more so like security picked me up, the black truck, moved me around, this, that, and the third when I got to Miami and they got the stand your ground law, you could have a firearm peacefully. And the way I move, I move like a rich white man. I'm not around no like negativity and no functions. I just went overboard.
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D
Hopefully you got rid of some of them.
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A
Yeah.
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D
So now you got like two or three. Two or three is a good number.
- [100:10]
A
I got three, but I'm thinking about the four of them just. Cause I never had. I never had the urus, the truck.
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D
Okay.
- [100:16]
A
So I wanted to try it right now. I got the Spectra, I got the McLaren and I got the cybertruck.
- [100:21]
D
You like the cybertruck?
- [100:22]
A
It's my trap car. You would think I'm back in Chicago selling crack again in that motherfucker. I treat that shit like a Honda.
- [100:31]
D
If you could do anything different with it, what would you do? I mean, would you have invest. I mean, your dad. Why didn't you. Do you invest in your dad's real estate?
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A
Yeah, my dad been my business manager my whole time, my career. Oh, okay.
- [100:43]
D
So that's why y' all got 15?
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A
Yeah, my dad been running my business from the beginning. Wow. So he know where he all my. And that's one thing that I could tell people, man. Like, that was just so beautiful for me. Cause that might be a more important decision. Besides who you do have a baby with, who watch them finances.
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D
Oh yeah, for sure.
- [101:04]
A
So to have someone that really cared about me, in my best interest and that to know he got money.
- [101:08]
D
Yes.
- [101:09]
A
And to know that I got his trust, his living trust in my email that say everything that he got coming, right. How I'm a lose.
- [101:18]
D
Cause money change people. You can have an agreement and the money start coming in more than what people thought. Now they trying to conspire away, try to find a way to get more of it. I don't know what I mean. And it's like, you know, money's the root of all evil. And it used to be, well, the lack of money or the pursuit of money is the root of all evil. But sometimes people have an absorbent amount of money and they still want money.
- [101:44]
A
That's why I don't believe in all this love and all this other shit, this bullshit though. It's all feeling based, though. Because if I really love you, I Want to see you be at the best, at your full potential. Like, I've been in relationships with people, public relationships or whatever, to where I'm not in them right now. And, like, if I pull back from that and even though I might have feelings, but if I genuinely love this person and someone else makes this person happy, you gotta be happy about that.
- [102:07]
D
Yes.
- [102:08]
A
I never understood the dynamic to where. Where you don't want to be with me and you want to take from me in the process. Yes, you want to. But you know what it is, though?
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D
What is it?
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A
They know that's the only way it can hurt you.
- [102:19]
D
Yeah.
- [102:20]
A
All you could do, only thing you could do to hurt me is play with my career, get online and say some old shit or play with the paper. They know that the feelings and all that other shit is real, genuine feelings from me really there. So no matter how we fall out on a feeling, I'mma still be at a to rock with you. Unless you cross certain lines and boundaries, that's uncrossable. But these ladies know they can't hurt you unless they doing that type of shit. And I just don't like that. I don't respect that. Wow.
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D
How did you got your chain lifted up off you?
- [102:52]
A
Yeah, that was a young type of vibe, too.
- [102:56]
D
You gave it up easy.
- [102:57]
A
Hell no. I ain't never really even talk about this in, like, a real detail, and I feel comfortable speaking with you about it. So back in the day, right? So I'm Youngberg. Boom. I got all this shit going on. I got the number one record on radio. I got the biggest song or whatever. And I think one of the relabel reps hit me and said like, yo, when you go to Detroit for Summer Jam? On Headline and Summer Jam, they like, will you. Will you go to this club? They don't want to pay you, but you know what I'm saying? Like, it's a good look. It's a relationship. I'm like, nah, I don't know. I ain't going. I ain't getting paid. I ain't going. Whatever. So we go. I go do the summer check, and I get to the city. I never forget. I flew in on a private jet. I get there, I go to the hotel. This. The night before Summer Jam. So you know, it's that. That discernment and that making good decision shit we talking about. I'm young, I'm thirsty, Where the hoes at? I'm in Detroit. Where they at? What's up? I'm in this hotel. I ain't really trying to be in. I ain't got no work out here. I ain't got no personal work, right? I'm here for the summer jam. I'm the Big Dog. What they at? So a guy that I was dealing with at the time had made a suggestion that we go to a certain spot. Like, yo, let's go here. Such and such gonna be here. This what it is. Blah, blah, blah. So I'm like, all right, bet. Let's go. Now I had this big dumb ass chain, Shannon, like. Like this big transformer chain. Crazy. And go back to no less than that.
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D
See this?
- [104:29]
A
When you get into the cat Carrots, then you go, ticket.
- [104:32]
D
Okay, okay, okay. Yeah.
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A
When you add Jesus.
- [104:35]
D
Could have hung on one of them crossing right there, though.
- [104:37]
A
I'm almost 2. I got to be at least 2 million if I'm just sitting here right now. But in reality, this is in the era of the Big Dog or whatever. Not. Not the. The super quality. And so, boom. I'm on a tour bus. I'm like, should I wear this chain? And I'm like, I had on purple or some like that. I'm like, now this match. I'm gonna wear this shit. So we go in the club. I'm in there now. I'm in the club. And, like, I want the. The libations to start flowing or whatever.
- [105:04]
D
Yeah, yeah.
- [105:05]
A
These shout me out. They on the mic. I don't see no bottles show up or whatever. I'm just in a spot. So I go to the private room to where the owner or whatever was there, whoever runs the manager of the club. And I'm like, yo, like, we really want some bottles for the club. We want some bottles in our section. I'll pay. I'll pay half or a discount. Like, what can we do? Cause I'm in the club, you know what I'm saying about. And the dude was like, man, my partner said, ain't no play for shit for y'. All. I'm like, your partner? Like, huh? So now it started to click to me. This the same club that the label told me to go to that I said I wasn't gonna go to.
- [105:42]
D
Oh, so they already. So they. So your agent probably told them that, and they feeling some type of way. Oh, my God.
- [105:48]
A
Were they? So now I'm in the club club, and I'm like, it's time to get the up out of here. I know we just walked in, but it's time to get a. I feel the energy shift. And just on some real Truthful, honest shit. Like, man, like the club security, whoever was involved into it, how the shit went, the club security ended up just having their way with us. It wasn't like no. In the club. It wasn't no nothing. It was the club security. So when it. At that point, when it was multiple beat with security on they shirt doing whatever they was doing with me or whatever, I gave him the chain. And then from there, like, that was kind of like. That was a wild one. That kind of like put a pause to kind of my rapping career. I was kind of like, I was like the first that got robbed. Like, I'm like the first Indian over the hill. Like, for real, for real now. They get robbed every day. You know what I'm saying? Like, whatever. But at that point, this is like the height of WorldStar Twitter, the beginning of all this shit. So. So, like, it kind of put me in a. In a bad spot. And then from there. I ain't gonna lie, I got up out of the city at that time. Cause they really, like, they really did a number on me or whatever. But I wish I'd have stayed all up and bruised up and performed for my fans. And I think the narrative would have went a little bit different. But I was listening to too many label executives and management at the time to make sure, get out of there. Don't talk to nobody. Body don't do nothing, blah, blah, blah. And then, you know, the narrative just. And everybody get to put they spin on it. Instead of me jumping out and saying, yo, this what happened. This one ain't happened. This one happened. That's why I can't with Tory Lanez. I love Tory Lanez, but I can't. Cause if he ain't do none of that shit, the first thing he should have been doing, street credibility. Yo, this ain't happen. That ain't happen. That's why you can't condemn Meg and none of this shit. That's why I don't want to hear no bad talk about that. You know what I'm saying? Cause you gotta get in front of that shit sometimes. Especially on these levels. For real.
- [107:45]
D
So what advice would you give young rappers? What is it about? What is it about taking a rapper's chain? What is it about that. That street cred? Like, oh, you came to my city. I jack your ish. What's that about?
- [107:59]
A
I think back in the day, it was, oh, no. Hell no. Just wanna steal, bro. You already know, bro. People want what you got. Like, you a of ton. Nobody wants to have clarity on just how much of a target you are when you becoming like, bro, I can't move the same. I'm terrified everywhere. I'm on defense, everywhere I go. You gotta be anything happening. That situation you talking about has got to be almost. That was in 2008. It's 20. It's 18 years ago. But at the same token, some bullshit like that can happen 18 years ago, and you still be talking about it in a new interview. I done changed my name. I ain't even saying no more. But it's still gonn. So in reality, bro, you gotta be. You gotta move tactical. You gotta be on defense at all times, for real. But I was young and dumb and didn't have the right guidance at that time. If I did, somebody would have told me, man, you know what? You stay here. I'm gonna go to the club. I'm gonna go get the girls. I'm gonna bring them back here. And then let's get some liquor in here. Let's get the vibes going in here. You vibe and do whatever you wanna do.
- [109:02]
D
How did Soulja Boy end up with the chain?
- [109:04]
A
I have no clue.
- [109:05]
D
Did you get.
- [109:07]
A
I never wanted it. Once you get the chain, somebody rocks from the chain. They can't. You don't want it back.
- [109:11]
D
You got bad juju on it now. Hell, no.
- [109:13]
A
And then, look, I really don't even have no beef with Soulja Boy. That's what's so funny. But, you know, I guess he ended up getting it. Cause he. He was on his clout, chasing shit. He wanted to continue on with the shit. I was that. So he went and got it. And it never really even bothered me because it was kind of like, I don't even know Soulja Boy like that. You know what I'm saying? And I didn't look at myself. Me and Soulja Boy at the same type of parallels as well either, right?
- [109:41]
D
But then we see PNB Rock end up losing his life for his chain.
- [109:46]
A
Man, that one hurt me.
- [109:47]
D
So now you like, hold on. Somebody that I work with, he lost his life. I was in a very similar situation, and I could have easily lost my life. What goes through your mind?
- [109:58]
A
He lost his life by not trying to give it up. Get that shit up.
- [110:02]
D
The only thing that can't be replaced is life.
- [110:05]
A
Yo, that shit broke.
- [110:06]
D
Chain, car, money. I can get all that back.
- [110:09]
A
Yo, that PNB shit broke my heart, bro. Because I know how much of a good man he was. I know how much he cared about his daughter. I looked at all the success that we were having at that moment. And to me, it's all about, like I said, being on defense. And then it's the hood mentality. Everybody know you don't go to that Roscoe, respectfully, you go to the one on Sunset and Gower. Yeah, if you going, if you not gonna do it, everybody know not to go to that bossa nova right there on Sunset. You order the one or you go a little further down on Sunset or whatever. And until everybody knows how to move out there.
- [110:45]
D
But I think that doordash it.
- [110:49]
A
Yeah, but look, but you know what it is though? People feel like when they survive the trenches, coming to LA ain't shit palm trees. But that's the mentality though from a guy from Philly. You know what I'm saying? From Philly, like, man, like, come on, like this easy work. But in reality, man, like I'm so hurt by that one because man, I love that guy, man. For real. For real.
- [111:12]
D
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