Club Shay Shay - Keke Palmer Part 2

Summary

Club Shay Shay - Keke Palmer Part 2 Released on November 20, 2024

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe
Guest: Keke Palmer
Hosted By: iHeartPodcasts, The Volume, and Shay Shay Media

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Introduction

In the second part of her engaging conversation on Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe delves deeper into Keke Palmer's multifaceted life. From her early influences in sports to her triumphant ventures in acting and personal growth, Palmer opens up about her journey, challenges, and aspirations.

Keke Palmer’s Path into Sports and Acting

Timestamp: [01:47]

Keke Palmer reflects on her early experiences in sports, particularly her time training under Pastor Denny in Shreveport, Louisiana. She credits him with teaching her the fundamentals of throwing a football, likening her quarterback aspirations to her passion for performance.

Keke Palmer: “I do think I would have done sports. I would have because I like dancing. … I really do love it.”

Sharpe humorously explores Palmer's potential quarterback persona, asking her to align herself with current NFL stars.

Shannon Sharpe: “So if Keke Palmer is a quarterback, who's what?... Is she Patrick Mahomes, she Dak Prescott?”

Timestamp: [03:02]

Keke Palmer: “I think Patrick Mahomes is really good. … I really also do have to show some love to my man Jalen Hurts.”

Experiences in Film and Collaboration with Celebrities

Timestamp: [03:17]

Palmer shares her delightful experiences working on projects like Hustlers with Jennifer Lopez and Cardi B. She reminisces about the camaraderie on set and the valuable lessons learned from her seasoned co-stars.

Keke Palmer: “I had a lot of fun with it. All the women were amazing. It was just a cool experience, especially for me with comedy at that point.”

Discussing Personal Challenges: Acne and Motherhood

Timestamp: [22:03]

Opening up vulnerably, Palmer discusses her struggles with acne, attributing much of it to hormonal imbalances exacerbated by polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS). She emphasizes the emotional toll it took on her confidence and mental health.

Keke Palmer: “When you just feel like there's something in your life that you can't control, it is extraordinarily debilitating.”

Transitioning to motherhood, Palmer speaks passionately about the joys and challenges of raising her son. She highlights how becoming a mother has been both a source of strength and a catalyst for personal transformation.

Keke Palmer: “The most gratifying part about being a mother? ... seeing his personality come to him talking.”

Her New Book: Master of Me

Timestamp: [55:06]

Palmer introduces her forthcoming book, Master of Me, detailing it as a guide to self-mastery and entrepreneurialism. She elucidates how the book intertwines her personal experiences with actionable advice for readers striving to control their narratives and succeed independently.

Keke Palmer: “This book is about self mastery, about being able to show up for yourself in a better way... entrepreneurialism. It's about diversifying.”

Societal Standards and Self-Acceptance

Timestamp: [39:28]

Addressing societal beauty standards, Palmer discusses the pervasive pressure to conform to specific skin tones, body types, and appearances. She advocates for self-acceptance and challenges the ingrained biases that diminish individual worth based on appearance.

Keke Palmer: “I never looked in the mirror and didn't think I was beautiful. But what I hated was that other people thought I should feel less beautiful just because I wasn't a particular skin tone.”

Relationships and Expectations

Timestamp: [31:17]

Palmer delves into the complexities of modern relationships, especially regarding financial dynamics. She shares her perspective on dating someone with different financial standings and the importance of mutual support beyond monetary aspects.

Keke Palmer: “I feel like if I wanted somebody that made as much as me, this would be a date and not an interview.”

She further explores the balance between maintaining individual identities and fostering a unified partnership.

Keke Palmer: “Do I really want to be a we? ... It's about loving and caring for somebody for being who they are.”

Identity and Gender Fluidity

Timestamp: [48:16]

In a candid discussion about identity, Palmer addresses misconceptions about her gender and sexual fluidity. She clarifies her stance on gender identity and emphasizes the importance of authenticity and self-expression.

Keke Palmer: “I am what people describe as gender fluid, even though I don't necessarily... Wendy Williams called me sexually fluid.”

She highlights how societal constructs often confine individuals, limiting their ability to fully embrace and express their true selves.

Keke Palmer: “I do all these things and I'm representing us... fighting against those social constructs that tell our people that because you're this, you can't be that.”

Concluding Remarks

Throughout the episode, Keke Palmer exemplifies resilience and self-awareness. Shannon Sharpe's insightful questions allow Palmer to articulate her experiences and philosophies, providing listeners with inspiration and a deeper understanding of her as both an artist and an individual striving for personal mastery.

Notable Quotes:

• Keke Palmer [01:47]: “I really do love it. So I feel like if I hadn't gotten into sports and entertainment, that I would have gotten into something.”
• Keke Palmer [15:08]: “Watching my son grow, just seeing him learn new things... Being a part of someone's life like that is such a true honor.”
• Keke Palmer [39:54]: “It's not really that you want the bigger butt or the smaller waist... it's really that you want to be seen of value.”
• Keke Palmer [47:08]: “Cutting my hair was a form of me stepping away from all the chaos that people started putting on me and reestablishing who I am on my own terms.”

This episode of Club Shay Shay offers a profound glimpse into Keke Palmer's life, illustrating her journey of self-discovery, resilience, and unwavering pursuit of her true self.

Transcript

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Part two is underway. Long shot which quarterback taught you how to throw the ball 40 yards in long shot?

[Keke Palmer]

You know, it was this man named Pastor Denny in Louisiana. Shreveport, Louisiana. His name was Pastor Denny. He told me he used to train Brett Favre back in the day. But you know, everybody says stuff like that. But I love with Pastor Denny, he was such a sweet man. And they sat there, they would teach me how to play, they would teach me how to throw the ball, everything like that. I got down and dirty with him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let's just say for the sake of argument, cause now they have a flag football. The young ladies play flag football. If they would have had that back then and you could have played, what position would you have played? You Been a quarterback, I think I.

[Keke Palmer]

Would have been a quarterback for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or you want to shine her?

[Keke Palmer]

Can't you tell? I do think I would have done sports. I would have because I like dancing. I was just telling you that when we was talking. Like, I like that. I like, you know, even though I'm not an athlete, I do think like an athlete because I got to make sure I'm on point. I got to learn my lines. I got to be here when I got to show up. I got to look right, I got to sound right. I got to, you know, do all those things. And I really do love it. So I feel like if I hadn't gotten to my sport and entertainment, that I would have gotten into something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So if Kiki Palmer is a quarterback, who's what? Current quarterback is her game. Is she Lamar Jackson, she Patrick Mahomes, she Dak Prescott, she Brock Purdy? I mean, who is Kiki as a quarterback?

[Keke Palmer]

I mean, Patrick Mahomes is really good. Patrick Mahomes is really good. But I really also do have to show some love to my man Jalen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, did you. Hurts?

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Okay.

[Keke Palmer]

He was good, too. Yeah. Jalen Hurts, I think, is great. I think Patrick Mahomes is doing his thing. You can't, you know, you can't deny what you see, right? You know? Yeah. That's the main thing I want. I wonder what my man Michael Strahan would say. You know, that's my boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay.

[Keke Palmer]

I gotta ask him. I know he don't. He ain't the quarterback, but I gotta ask him what he think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Tlc. Bob, you played Chili in that buyout.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes, I did. That was a really fun experience. That was really, really, really, really fun. I remember going to her house. She has a huge mansion, but everything is miniature to her height. I was like, this is so cute. It was, like, perfectly for her height. And she spent so much time with me, speaking to me about her life, her experience in the group, what the movie meant to her. It was just a really special time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, she's a great lady. I met her several times. I mean, on the plane. And we just talked the whole trip from LA back to Atlanta. Oh, wow. If you could play anyone else in a biop, who would you play?

[Keke Palmer]

I wish. You J. I would live to play Whitney. That would be. But they've done too many of it now, so it's like, I don't wanna keep on going. You know what I mean? But in the back of my throat, I would love to sit up there. And, you know, give that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What about Angela Bassett?

[Keke Palmer]

Would love to be Angela as well. I mean, people always say that because I go into the impressions of her, and if Angela wanted me to play her, all she knows, I'm one call away.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, my goodness. I mean, Whitney, you could really. You got a new movie out with Sza and Issa Rae.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tell us about the movie.

[Keke Palmer]

So it's called. Well, actually, I was just about to tell you what it was called, but we didn't change the name, so there's no name yet. Okay, you'll know the name soon. But the movie is about essentially two girls that are trying to make it to get their rent paid. And by the end of the day. So it kind of goes over the course of one day and all the different hijinks that they experience. But the movie has so many other themes, you know, ultimately, like, about gentrification and the fact that a lot of people are being kind of priced out of their environment. So ultimately, it comes to a place of being about community and friendship and love and how those are the things I think we gotta cling to when we're trying to get through these hard times.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, but you're also in a movie. I think it comes out in 25 with Cat. Lil Rel. You're also in a movie with them, correct?

[Keke Palmer]

They're in this movie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes. They're in this movie as well. Yeah. And it was so fun to work with Cat again because I worked with him before on Two Minutes of Fame.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

And then it was Rel and I never worked together, but we always see each other. You know, we both from Chicago.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

So it was really cool. We had a lot of fun in this movie, too. And we both all did a little bit of improv.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What is the thing? Because people have this perception of Katt, and we know that he came on here and sat right there.

[Keke Palmer]

That was an iconic episode.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was. What do people get wrong about Katt?

[Keke Palmer]

Well, I mean, Katt is no nonsense. I think he says what he means and means what he says, and he really is like, he loves you or he don't. You know, luckily, I'm somebody that he loves, and I love him right back. You know, he's always been so kind, encouraging and loving towards me and very kind of protective as well. But who. Who knows what he's seen? You know what I'm saying? Who knows what he's seen? Who knows what he's experienced? I just know he's always been a good dude to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. Hustlers. You. Jennifer Lopez. Cardi B.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes. Hustlers. I enjoyed. I mean, I enjoyed doing that movie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on.

[Keke Palmer]

You didn't like doing the. You didn't like the movie, I'm saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you. The part that you. You was. You know what?

[Keke Palmer]

That you didn't like. You didn't like me dancing? Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but monkey. Come on.

[Keke Palmer]

Ain't like all that dancing on Sunday.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me get another one of these.

[Keke Palmer]

I had a good time. You know, they didn't even let me dance as much as I thought they would. They didn't even. You know, mostly the main person dancing was, of course, the fabulous Jennifer Lopez. She gave us a good show in the beginning, but most of the movie, obviously, is about us being criminals.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Keke Palmer]

You know what I mean? So I had a lot of fun with it. All the women were amazing. It was just a cool experience, especially for me with comedy at that point.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

I had been working so hard digitally to, you know, kind of show people what I wanted to do in that space. And so it was awesome that I got the opportunity to kind of show that now also on film in a traditional sense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what's your favorite story from the set? Because you're on there with Usher, and you got Lizzo, you got, you know, Cardi B. You got J.

[Keke Palmer]

Lo, probably when I sang the Selena song with Jennifer Lopez, okay. Because I grew up loving that movie. I mean, I don't know who don't love that movie. Selena, honey. And so me and her didn't have a lot of scenes together, but the moments that we had, we would become real close, you know? And even to this day, if she sees something, you would think, man, she's so busy. She will reach out to me. She'll say, hey, baby, if you need me, call me. And so she's just one of those people again where it's like they make a connection to you. They make a connection to you, right? And they're gonna always be there to support you. And so I just remember us having a lot of random bonding moments. And she's always looked out for me ever since then.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow. The Usher concert. I had Usher on, and I talked to him, and he said I was ushering her a good time.

[Keke Palmer]

I love the play on words.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kiki, did you ever think that moment would be as viral as it was?

[Keke Palmer]

No. I mean, I thought I looked good, but I was like, oh, you look good. But I was like, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, you know, hey, we talk about the boy they ain't got. Hey. Because they Already go kill. They already go be.

[Keke Palmer]

I did not expect that at all. You know, I feel like everybody went to the concert and he did kind of like a little moment with Issa Taraji. Everybody did that. So I wasn't sure why mine was just so gagged.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You do know why you was all into it? You were having a good time.

[Keke Palmer]

Well, what else was I supposed to do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not have a good time? And then look what you had on Kiki.

[Keke Palmer]

So, you know, it's so funny. I was talking to my girlfriend right before we left. That's why this is also funny in that regard. I was like, girl, do you think. You think it's good in the back? Is it too much? She said, girl, you look fabulous. That's just her laughing in the back right now. She said, I think you look fabulous. You know, So I didn't think much about the look either. And at the concert, I'll be honest with you, Usher, to me, he's one of those people that do everything and he tells a story. He's very theatrical. You know, he kind of puts a little bit of Fred Astaire, but he makes it real hip hop. So when I actually. I think maybe I actually have forgotten.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That you was at a concert or.

[Keke Palmer]

That he was that good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay.

[Keke Palmer]

Cause when I seen everything he was doing, I just was like, you know, a natural fan, loving it and enjoying the show. I did not think it would be what it was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You Keke Palmer, though.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, maybe. I don't know that. I do think people sometimes think celebrities have, like, some intergalactic world, that we're just all connected. But I don't know that man no more than I knew Dick Cheney.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

He's just, you know, I mean, he just ushered me, like, he ushered all of us. And I'm just a fan at the show, you know, but it calls.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It calls him in your household. It caused some issues. Did you like. Did you. You know, you smoothed that out?

[Keke Palmer]

You know, Kiki, you got Kiki.

[Shannon Sharpe]

First of all, if you're not Kiki Palmer, let's just say you're Jane Smith.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't have a man. You don't have a child. Okay, okay. Look at man. Look at James Mill doing it. But Yukiki Palmer, you do have. And you just had a child. I mean, what, What, a couple of months old?

[Keke Palmer]

I think the thing is, if I thought that it was crazy or wrong, I wouldn't have done it. In my mind, I'm just a girl at a concert, enjoying it with me. I'm taking my co workers out. We're celebrating key tv. I'm just thinking about having a good time. I'm not thinking about how this is gonna look or what, you know? And it was just really a surprise to me. I know that sounds crazy, but I. I genuinely expect it to become this thing. But then once it becomes this thing, all I know how to do is move forward. You know what I mean? I don't beat the same drums. I just kind of like, okay, well, you know, life goes on, Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

DDG was at a concert with his girlfriend Halle Bailey. And Usher tried to cut. He was like, whoop.

[Keke Palmer]

The way that it's become a continuous gag.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

Has really. It's really cackling. It really. It really is. I've even gone to comedy shows. It's become a little sketch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is it true? Like, hold up. You had a liquor sponsor? No. Now you ain't drinking mine, but I'm just saying.

[Keke Palmer]

No, no. Do I have a liquor sponsor? I was just thinking about that. Go ahead. What's your question?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you pregnant. You want to get one? I like.

[Keke Palmer]

You want to give me a liquor sponsorship.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, we can work something out.

[Keke Palmer]

Let me taste it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not now. Not now. You breastfeeding?

[Keke Palmer]

I ain't pregnant.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't breastfeeding no more.

[Keke Palmer]

That was real cute how you did that. You know the people been asking that. I do want to tell you some of this. I love how you tried that. Come on, you better get into it, Shay shack.

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No, no, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just.

[Keke Palmer]

I was just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was just. I was just.

[Keke Palmer]

You coming for Oprah's?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, I was just. I was just. No, you better go. Cause they said, you know, she. You know, I said, okay, I need.

[Keke Palmer]

To find out your big three. Cause there's some good stuff going on over here. That is good. That is good. They about to pull me up. Cause this needs to be open. Oh, no, this was open. Go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you can take that one home, though. Let me ask you this. Do you want more kids?

[Keke Palmer]

I would love, like 10 kids. I know that sounds.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got a late start for 10.

[Keke Palmer]

I know, damn. But I would love a lot of kids. I just love the vibe of just. We all in there, come on crew, and we just riding out together. I just think that's fabulous.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You have a brother and a sister, right?

[Keke Palmer]

Yes. So it's four of us all together. I got an older sister and I got a younger sister and brother. They're twins. But my mom's a twin and my dad's A twin. Isn't that crazy?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It might skip you.

[Keke Palmer]

No way. You had to do that. I hope it don't skip me. Cheers me. I. I would love a lot of kids. I like big families. My dad's one of nine boys. My mom's one of seven.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your dad is nine boys?

[Keke Palmer]

Mm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you probably gonna have all boys.

[Keke Palmer]

That would be iconic.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I thought you want. You wouldn't want.

[Keke Palmer]

You wouldn't want a little Kiki, a little Loretta. My mom hates that name, but I love it. I love naming kids old school names. I think that's very cute. Loretta, come here. Loretta. Mildred, AKA Millie. Fabulous. You know, I'm a little old school traditional. I can see that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can see that. Listen to that. You talk and your energy, you don't. It's good. You don't strike me as a person that's.

[Keke Palmer]

You're trying to come after. Sir Davis. I had to shout out my girl.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, yes, yes. Let me ask you this though. If your son says, you know what, Mom, I kinda wanna follow in your path and be in entertainment, you cool with that?

[Keke Palmer]

I am. I am cool with that. But I'm gonna let him know early on what's going on, you know, how serious it is. But I'll be like this. Cause even if it's not entertainment, if it's a sport or something, you gotta follow through. Boo.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Keke Palmer]

You know, discipline, it's sacrifice and reward. And I think that's important. You know, I think we need even more of that. I think there's this idea sometimes that it's, you know, getting there is supposed to be easier. There'll be no challenges. It doesn't mean it has to be painful, but you will have challenges. You know, it's like you can't beat Bowser without going through level one through eight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Keke Palmer]

You know, however many it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question. What's been the most gratifying part of being a mother?

[Keke Palmer]

Hmm. The most gratifying part about being a mother? Hmm. Watching my son grow, just seeing him learn new things, seeing his personality come to him talking. I mean, he's saying stuff now. He could say, mama. He could say, I love you. Being a part of someone's life like that and knowing that you have the opportunities to support them to become somebody in this world and help shape it. And help shape it. I think it's just such a true honor. And, you know, I'm just so grateful. I mean, honestly, I really am grateful. I really do feel so blessed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I read you saw, I saw A quote. And you said, I have no confusion on why I'm here, on my purpose or my value, or why I should stay. What do you mean by that?

[Keke Palmer]

Well, there have been times where I'm like, should I stay? You know, it gets crazy here. And, you know, sometimes you do want to go. But my mom says something a lot that my grandmother always said and that my sister named her book after, which is, keep living. Cause when you do, you get the answer to those questions that you're asking yourself. You know, when we think about self mastery or mastering the self, patience is high on the list. Patience with life and trusting that it'll lead you where you want to go. That's faith. And for me, that's been my compass the entire time here. And so, yeah, at 31, I can say I'm clear. And I'm sure I'll reach another evolution when I turn 41. But from 21, when I put out my first book, to 31, when I'm putting out my now new book, Master of Me, yeah, I do feel like I've mastered my mind and how to walk through this world and how it perceives me and know how to continue to shape who I want to be and learn from my mistakes and move on with grace. Reframe and move on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I read in 2019, as a part of the you know me campaign, you shared that you had terminated a pregnancy. Why would you. Why did you. Why did you not. Why would you. Why did you share. Why did you share that?

[Keke Palmer]

Why did I share? So I'm one of those people that really is truly private about most things.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

Because I feel like, as an entertainer, it actually, I don't want to put my so to speak on you. I feel like as an entertainer, I'm here to make you laugh, talk about something positive, inspire, aspirational, something that's going to be good for your day. You know, I don't want to come at you with my baggage, and so I usually don't. You know, that's not to say my personal life is baggage, but it just doesn't have nothing to do with you. And so I usually don't say certain things unless it could be of service to someone else. And I think I forget exactly what was going on at that time. I'm sure it was a multitude of things happening. Obviously, we've seen the reversal of Roe versus Wade, and there's a bunch of things happen politically with women's rights. And I just feel like, look, if you. If you don't feel like you can do it, then don't do it. And I felt like I couldn't do it. And it's a disservice to that child. It's a disservice to myself to do it that way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

I just felt that I wouldn't be good, that it wouldn't be right. And, yeah, you can look at it differently. You can say, well, God was testing you and you had to follow through on that. And that could be the case. And it is what it is. That's my relationship. That's what, you know, that's how I move forward with that. But I shared it just in case someone else may have been going through that. They may have questioned it. Um, they may have been concerned, they may have been worried. I wanted them to know that if I am somebody that they look at or they look up to or they feel encouraged by that, despite the choices that I've made. Make a right choice for you. Don't. You don't have to do what I did. You don't have to not do what I did. But I would like to encourage you to do what's best for you. Because even in whatever somebody thinks it is, or good or bad or not, it's your journey. So whatever decision you make is the right one, because it's going to get you to where you need to go.

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[Detective Alex Cross]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Detective Alex Cross]

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[Detective Alex Cross]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Detective Alex Cross]

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[Keke Palmer]

The clock's ticking.

[Detective Alex Cross]

He was hitting my house. He messed with my kids.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's got to be getting close.

[Detective Alex Cross]

Do you think you can stop him? I know I can. Because I know him better than he knows himself.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Was it an agonizing process that you went through? Were there a lot of, like.

[Keke Palmer]

It was extremely agonizing. It was terrible. And coming from the family that I come from, you know, my family's not religious in a way where it's like, you get it, you know, but we are religious, you know, so it was kind of like a thing where, damn, this is not what I saw me doing. You know, I felt bad or I questioned it and all of these things. But ultimately I came to the decision I came to with God, and I was okay to move forward with it, you know, And I. I'm very grateful for my son and what I have now. And the time that it took to get to this point, I can't say that I regret it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you share that information with the father at the time?

[Keke Palmer]

I did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And how did he feel about it? It's your. Like you said, your body, your choice. Yeah, but it didn't seem like he was excited about it.

[Keke Palmer]

I don't know. I don't know if he. I don't Want to say anything bad about this person, so I'll just say that. Leave that there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Keke Palmer]

I don't know how to put it into words. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, polycystic ovarian syndrome causes acne, bad acne, and puberty excessively.

[Keke Palmer]

Why would you say it like that? Causes acne, bad acne.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Extreme. Extreme body hair.

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, my gosh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Excess face hair. You know, you had a little mustache, goatee.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes, it do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, as a. I could just only imagine as a child and a young lady.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, yeah, I know she does.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guys have an active. Yeah, it's bad. But okay, you got you a guy and you got excessive hair. So what? You got a beard at 12. Yeah, but for a young lady.

[Keke Palmer]

And some might even say it's in reverse. Cause at least I could put a little makeup on. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, with guys, it's kind of just there. I mean, shit, they could put makeup on, too. But I don't know if it's always the first thing that they turn to. The reality is, acne is terrible. And people always think, drink water. I'm tired of that water. Don't do it for everybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what I mean?

[Keke Palmer]

Sometimes people got some going on. And so for me, it was like, it's hormonal. You know, I can't really control it. And I've tried many different things. And I do say, you know, invest in a dermatologist. Cause sometimes you do need medication. You know what I'm saying? Like, you do. You probably should talk about it. But what people don't realize and why I spoke out about it again, something personal that I wanted to share, was only so it could benefit somebody else. Struggling with a difficult decision or confidence issue. Because it absolutely makes you feel bad. I've had moments in my life where I woke up feeling good, and then I see my skin and I'm like, oh, my gosh, I need to go back into the bedroom. How am I gonna go on with this day? And that sounds crazy, and that sounds strange, but when you can control every aspect of your life, you know, I can get up and I can go to the gym. I can do X, Y and Z or whatever. And even that's difficult. Like, that's a whole nother conversation in itself as well. When you just feel like there's something in your life that you can't control, it is extraordinarily debilitating. It really. And I don't know that people often think about that with acne. And I always make that joke where I'm like, if I could go into the doctors and get me a fat ass, why can't I get me a clean skin? You know, it sucks. Like, I don't know why. That's not something that could be easily changed, but it's not right. And it really is terrible, love. But, you know, a lot of people experience it, and I'm one of them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You said your son helped you with acne. So having a child.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes, because. So because of me, my acne is usually. It's hormone induced, right. When I had more, I think it was progesterone, it made my skin balance because I actually have a lot of testosterone. That's why I get the Hammer fan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's why you be trying. That's why you be trying. The hammer Fang. You be trying to have a fang. Huh? Huh?

[Keke Palmer]

I knew this was coming. Yeah, I knew that this was coming.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I knew it. Something just didn't sit right with my spirit. I knew you had to be in charge.

[Keke Palmer]

You need a little bit of that sometimes, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So look, Kiki, you had mentioned that, you know, like, man, they got all these other enhancements. Why can't they have something to get rid of this acne? Is that the only type of plastic surgery you would consider? Any kind of female enhancement you would consider is that now you don't have to worry about that. That was the only enhancement you would have considered.

[Keke Palmer]

I mean, after the breastfeeding with my son, I mean, it was a horror show. But I'll be honest. I mean, I'm here for whatever people want to do. I think personally, I'm a little bit scared and frightened. I think, you know, it's one of those things where I think you probably have to maintain it, you know, which could be tough on your pockets and your body. But I'm here for whatever people want to do to make them feel good. Especially, like I'm saying, after you have a kid, your body changes for real, you know, so, yeah, whatever makes you feel good and like yourself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How many before you had your son and it basically helped the acne go away. How many procedures or how many treatments had you gone through trying to deal with it?

[Keke Palmer]

Oh, my gosh, so many. The more severe of treatments I went through, medications, laser treatments, I mean, just really anything that you could think of, it just didn't help. Severe diet, you know, I would go on extreme diets and I would get. One time I was just too thin. I was like, I don't even look like myself. You know what I mean, and it didn't even help my skin. So it's just like, I did everything under the sun. And that's why I tell people, when you know somebody that's struggling with acne, careful what you say, Right? Because that person has probably tried mostly everything. There's not really much of anything that somebody could tell me that I ain't tried.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Keke Palmer]

And so I feel like I do wish that the conversation surrounding acne could change that. Sometimes when people are telling you about their troubles with acne, it doesn't mean I'm looking for you to. It just means I want somebody to talk to about what I'm dealing with, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. Cardi B just had a baby, Shantae, and they already started working out. How soon after you gave birth to your son did you start back working out, saying, I gotta get Kiki's body back.

[Keke Palmer]

So I don't know if I was like, I gotta get Kiki's body back, because I don't know how quickly that was gonna happen. But I did say, let me do something to get back to myself. My big thing was trying to get back to myself as best as I could. Because you just start feeling so different and not like yourself. It emotionally is a bit of wreck.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Keke Palmer]

So I remember, like, going on the treadmill, doing walks and stuff like that, but nothing too severe until maybe, like, I don't know, maybe like two months after the baby. Then I started trying to, like, train and stuff again. Some of that weight I wish I kept. It dwindled, especially in the back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you. Did you have any postpartum?

[Keke Palmer]

I had tons of postpartum. I do feel like postpartum is something that people talk about as a period of time after you have the kid, but I think it's like, lifelong. And I think you get used to it because it's just kind of like, really, again, it really wrecks you. I mean, I remember thinking at one point early on, after I'd had my son, my mom was holding him, I was like, let him go. Like, it was like, girl, that's your mama.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Keke Palmer]

You know, but you're, like, so afraid of everything and so concerned. And I'm sure there's something like human about that or mammal like that derives from just science, you know what I mean? But now we're in a different type of society, and we're, quote unquote, civilized. And so what is in us innately, it sometimes doesn't have a place, quote unquote, here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Keke Palmer]

But you still have the Feelings. And so for me, I think, yeah, in your mind, it all feels normal, it all feels real. But I think it's just like trying to figure out what real danger is and what's just your fear of motherhood is really, really difficult. And it's something that you're constantly doing for the rest of your life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kiki, when did Hollywood turn to these weight loss drugs? The Ozempic, Trizepatide or Majorno? When did that happen?

[Keke Palmer]

I feel like it's always been around. They just got a new. I think so. I think it's just got a new brand name. You know what I mean? I feel like people, you know, there are things out there that can assist you and help you, you know, So I feel like it's something that's common. I had never heard of it too oic, but when I speak about it or I've heard about it or people having conversations about it, I think it's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Something that, well, I heard about it, but it normally with people that actually need it, they had an actual diagnosis to be able to take it.

[Keke Palmer]

Now, not the shade that you trying to throw.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I ain't trying to. To each his own. Whatever you feel you need to do, take off.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, I feel like that too. I feel like. Look, honestly, I feel similarly about my skin as I do about weight. I don't think it's as simple as people think it is. I think people sometimes say, oh, just get up on the treadmill or just do the mew. And I don't know, sometimes it really is not what you think it is, you know, and not to also say that you need to lose weight. I think whatever makes you feel good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

About you, you can't lose no weight. You disappear. I mean, you a buckle fire right now. Buck tears straw.

[Keke Palmer]

I'm howling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You disappeared. No time. Is it hard? Let me ask you because we've been seeing this thing about the 50, 50 men and women go, 50, 50 women say, I ain't going nothing. You tried to coat me. You go 100% or it's going to be nothing.

[Keke Palmer]

Hilarious.

[Shannon Sharpe]

More times than not, Kiki, I mean, look, you've been pretty private with your dating life, but a lot of times, I mean, now you've gone public with the guy that you had the child from. You make more money than him. How hard is it to date that you find it to date someone like yourself and a man that doesn't make as much or if not more than you? Is that hard?

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, I mean, I think I became a millionaire at 12. To expect everybody to have become a millionaire at 12 and learn money management and have a business manager at 12, to me, just seems not realistic.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

I started working 10, 15 years before most of my generation had their first job. And this is, like, most. Obviously, some people different. But no, I don't hold people to those standards. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like if I wanted somebody that made as much as me, this would be a date and not an interview. Okay? So I feel like when it comes to guys our age, every now and then you might find somebody that's out there making it. Making. But most of the time, they're gonna. My mom and dad, they went 50, 50 all my life. So when I hear some of the stuff that people are saying, you know what I'm saying, about relationships and dating, I'm just kind of like, I don't know how that's gonna work, but maybe I'm tripping.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But how about this? Maybe the guy that makes as much as you more than you, you're not.

[Keke Palmer]

Interested in or is not interested in me. You know, it goes both ways.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

When you're basing things, I think, off of just totally financial or totally off of good looks or totally off of whatever.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

Your list becomes smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller. And I also think, hey, you should have boun. Boundaries and limits. You can't. You can't. There is a. I'm too open. You know what I'm saying? You might find yourself with Jon Jo that live on the corner.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

You know, so there has to be some leeway, just as much as there has to be some twiddling it down. But I don't necessarily agree with, you know, again, for everybody's lifestyle.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

I don't need you to pay for everything for me. I actually prefer you to not to. I'll let you know when I would. When I would like for you to spend something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We can go half on something.

[Keke Palmer]

We can go half on something possibly, you know, but I feel really like there's so much more that I would be looking forward to bring to the table than just what's in your pockets. I would look for you to provide things that I can't provide for myself.

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[Keke Palmer]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What about peace? Can you bring a man peace? Because at the end of the day, if you don't bring him, no matter, at some point in time, it'll get so chaotic.

[Keke Palmer]

I mean, I'm gonna be real with you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I want to do.

[Keke Palmer]

It depends on the day of the week. I don't know if I bring somebody peace all the time. God, you know, but I get. Because who can come the hell on. Nobody is bringing. Nobody is bringing nobody. You know, I'm being real. I'm somebody. You could try.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Keke Palmer]

Okay. Because sometimes I might be too much, you know what I'm saying? But at least I have some business to head to, you know, when I get on your nerves.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? Okay.

[Keke Palmer]

So I think, you know, I'm realistic with what I expect, okay, from people, from men and women.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Keke Palmer]

People gonna get on your nerves. And I use my parents as an example. You don't get to 30 plus years without getting on somebody's nerves without disappointing somebody, without hurting somebody's feeling, without going through something. Forgiving, loving, having compassion, understanding. And arriving at the place where you could say, I really love you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, Kiki, when you, like have a disagreement. I remember the therapist told me this. This was like 30 years ago. She said, shannon, are you arguing to be right or are you arguing for right?

[Keke Palmer]

I'm arguing with us against the problem. But I have argued to be right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ah, come on. You. Yeah, you can be right and lose a relationship, though.

[Keke Palmer]

Yes, you can. You can. That's how you've learned.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Keke Palmer]

That's how you've learned I definitely argued to be right, but then I learned that. Okay, wait a minute. And I talk about this in my book too, where it's a conversation, though. It's a conversation that you have with yourself, right? Where you're like, oh, wait a minute. In order to be a we, I have to really act like a we. But sometimes you found yourself in relationships where you're still acting like a me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mm.

[Keke Palmer]

And then you have to ask yourself, do I even want to be a we? That's a real question these days.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Keke Palmer]

Do I really? And not even. I won't even say these days all the time, but I think that obviously we're in a different place financially, where some, you know, back in the day, women couldn't even stand on their own. But now that people, you know, can more often than not equally stand on their own, you're asking the question of, do I want to consider someone else? And I 100% do believe there is autonomy in deciding to commit yourself. I was having this conversation with my homegirl. We were talking about how, like, you know what, girl? I think I actually have been quite non committal. And let me put it like this. A lot of people see non committal, and they think about guys, they want to have a bunch of options, and da, da, da, da, da. Okay, well, no, I'm not noncommittal in the sense where I wanted to have a bunch of options, but I knew that I did. And I had no patience for anyone that didn't fit in this little tiny box that I created for them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

And that's when I realized for myself, oh, my gosh, that is also a version of being noncommittal because you're just not trying to commit to the realization that, girl, somebody's gonna get on your nerves.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly.

[Keke Palmer]

You know, if you just keep trading everybody out or you keep just moving on or you cutting yourself off, then you're never gonna get to what ultimately commitment is, which is really loving and caring for somebody for being who they are and all that comes with that. And, you know, again, I think it's a choice. It's okay to not want that, but I don't think that in order to have that, you have to lose yourself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

Because it's you that has decided to give yourself to that. But it's a lot that goes into.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, the quickest way, if you want to find out, if you want to be a We get into a disagreement with your partner, that's the surest and quickest way to find out. If you Want to be me or you want to be we?

[Keke Palmer]

What has been your experience with that? I'm not sure of all your. If you've been married or if you are married.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm not.

[Keke Palmer]

So you found. Do you feel like you never found nobody that you felt like you wanted to get past that argument with?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Keke Palmer]

Damn, that was quick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, it wasn't that. No, I meant that, like, the only thing I've ever wanted to do was get my family out of the situation that we were in. And I always said if I had kids, I didn't want them to spend one minute in a life that I had, let alone a day. And so I was so focused on that and sacrifice. I understood the greater the goal, the greater the sacrifice needed to achieve that goal. And so I missed out. Yeah. I think one of my biggest regrets is that everything that I've accomplished professionally, it being football or doing it now, that I really haven't had a whole lot of people to share it with.

[Keke Palmer]

But you're so handsome and still young and vibing. Why we. Why is it over now?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It ain't over.

[Keke Palmer]

I know that's right. It ain't over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It ain't over.

[Keke Palmer]

I just started thinking, but I do get what you mean. It can feel like time has passed you by.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, it can, you know, but it hasn't. It has, but it does. It does. It can feel like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. I still got hope. I read a skin color. Is that a lot of times that when you were younger you wish you were of lighter complexion?

[Keke Palmer]

You know what? I talk about this also in my book where I think that value systems in society, they can make you think you want something else when really all you want is to be valued.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

And so I think I noticed early on that there was this discrepancy idea with lighter skin and darker skin.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

I never looked in the mirror and didn't think I was beautiful. But what I hated was that other people thought I should feel less beautiful just because I wasn't a particular skin tone. And I think we see this all the time with how people think that their body should be, or how people think that their face should be, or how people think that their hair should be. And some of that is, you know, just people wanting that. But then a lot of it is based on society's idea of what value is. So it's not really that you want the bigger butt or the smaller waist or the, you know, buccal fat removal or the lighter skin or the darker skin. It's really that you want to be seen of value. And so I talk a lot about, like, being able to pull back those layers of what really is at the root of what, what any of us want. It's really just to be accepted.

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[Detective Alex Cross]

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[Detective Alex Cross]

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[Detective Alex Cross]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't kill for fun.

[Detective Alex Cross]

This thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. There's a lot of sickos out there. He actually believes he's an artist.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're going to be part of a masterpiece.

[Detective Alex Cross]

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[Detective Alex Cross]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

30 years knowing Cross, I learned to trust his gut.

[Detective Alex Cross]

I get inside his head.

[Keke Palmer]

The clock's ticking.

[Detective Alex Cross]

He was hitting my house. He messed with my kids.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's got to be getting close.

[Detective Alex Cross]

Do you think you can stop him? I know I can. Cuz I know him better than he knows himself.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

What do you. When people thought on social media, I saw what I was reading, that they thought you were bleaching your skin.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. I don't know why they thought that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was like, man Kiki on that Sammy, salsa.

[Keke Palmer]

Now, why did Sammy get clocked?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He called us. Thank you so much. My bad, Sammy. My bad. You did catch us straight.

[Keke Palmer]

You just get straight I'm howling. Yeah. No, I mean, I've never bleached my skin, so. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, but what about. But then there's the comparisons. You and Zendaya. There's a. I think she's even thinner than you. And you. You pretty thin, Kiki, you pretty thin.

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah. I mean, I think comparisons are things that people do, you know, specifically to women. And then, unfortunately, definitely in our community, they do it based on complexion. You know, I remember again, I. I was talking about this in my book, and I go into greater detail that it's one of those things for me where if you don't see how possible it is for you to achieve so much through me, being the complexion that you think is not deserving or not succeeding with all that I've succeeded, that's when it's tough. Shay. Shay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mm.

[Keke Palmer]

That's when it's tough for me because I do all these things and I'm representing us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

So then you should know that that's a lie.

[Prime Video Representative]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

That you can. And by the way, I'm not the only one. There's Opal Winfrey, Viola Davis, Taraji P. Henson, Angela Bassett, Kiki Palmer, Naomi Campbell, Megan Good. Megan. Good. I mean, the list goes on. And so I think it's fighting against those social constructs that tell our people that because you're this, you can't be that. Because you're that, you can't be this. And so, you know, it's kind of like a. Let me go back to the drawing board and see what I can cook up. But it's one of those things where you can't really change people's perceptions.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Keke Palmer]

Of what their life can be. And if it means diminishing you to agree to the status quo that I've accepted so that I don't push myself further, then that's what I'm gonna do. But facts are the facts.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You shaved your head?

[Keke Palmer]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Was that liberating? Were you, like. I mean, what was the thought process? How does one go, a young lady go through the process? Like, you know what? Yeah, I think that's gonna be a good idea. You know what? I'm about to shave my hair.

[Keke Palmer]

I was so tired. I think of, like, look, I've always been. I've always been twin refinement. You know, I loved, you know, coming and being a little adult. You know, true Jackson vp. I love to be like, I've got a briefcase on the way and I'm gonna own someone's business. I've always had that energy. But what happens in the industry, obviously, when you're a star or entertainer, people latch on, and they love what they love to sell about you. What they love to commodify, most likely is a part of. But then it all of a sudden feels like it's away from you. And I felt like as a kid that what was already naturally me became so commodified in a way that it felt. It felt like it was out of my control. And so I feel like as I grew up, I was trying to always figure out, okay, outside of what people are trying to control me to be and make me up to be, and these managers and these people, and they're all trying to do what's really me. And so then you explore. You try new outfits on, you try new hairdos, you try new attitudes, you try a lot of different things, but who you are is always who you are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Keke Palmer]

And so even in shaving my head, it was a part of the journey of me rediscovering who I am on my own terms. And if I'm gonna commodify myself, I'm not going to lose myself. And that's what I found myself to. And so, yeah, I think cutting my hair was a form of me stepping away from all the chaos that people started putting on me and reestablishing. Yeah, this is me. You know, I can wear my fro and. Nope. And I can come here and sit here with this fabulous wig on. Stiff wear.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

You know, I can do it all. And I don't feel like one is better than the other or I can only do one over the other. And I think sometimes when I was a kid, that was what was being pushed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you ever. Were you afraid that, man, damn, what if my hair don't grow back?

[Keke Palmer]

I never thought of that. Thank God. They probably would have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Spooky.

[Keke Palmer]

You know what I mean? That would have been spooky. Spooky hooky. I just thought, girl, cut it off. And then it grew back even better.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There's a comment. It wasn't a comment. It was. You said it. I'm. I'm gender fluid. What does that mean?

[Keke Palmer]

So I didn't say I'm gender fluid. I said that I am what people describe as gender fluid, even though I don't necessarily. Oh, wait a minute. I thought you said gender identity. What are you talking about?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gender fluidity.

[Keke Palmer]

Gender fluidity or you talking about sexual fluidity? There's so much fluidities.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

So gender fluid.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you. Sexually fluid.

[Keke Palmer]

So Wendy Williams called me sexually fluid.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What that meant.

[Keke Palmer]

It means that you'll date, you'll try.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sexual, you'll try anything.

[Keke Palmer]

I mean, in so many words. That's what it means. That's what she called me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, that's what she called you?

[Keke Palmer]

Yes. Yes, she called me. Well, she called me that because of my video, I Don't Belong. It was a long story.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Keke Palmer]

You know, but I was being open. I was being open to saying, I love who loves me, and she took that as sexually fluid. Now, gender fluidity or gender non conforming, I think I do fit that box in a lot of ways, even though my pronouns are she.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

But to that, you know, when I won Vanguard Award at the LGBTQ gala, I spoke about how, as a woman so much sometimes of the things that I am, I often did feel I wasn't allowed to be. You know, it was kind of like what you had. You were making a joke. But, you know, with me having quote, unquote, high testosterone or showing up in the way that my father has always showed up, it actually is because I admire him so much. You know, I have had very, very strong male figures in my life that taught me to take no mess, to speak up for myself, to hold my head high, to. To go for what I want. And sometimes people say that's only stuff that men can be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mm.

[Keke Palmer]

And so for me, going into the world out of being in my family with my dad and his brothers, he's one of nine boys, all my uncles. My Uncle Reggie used to have me climb on the walls and say, kitty Kiki. My uncle would have me banging on the outside stairs saying, ali boom bay. Ali boom bay. You know, they encouraged me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

And so I think for me, and I think this is what anybody speaks of, they just want to be able to be themselves.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Keke Palmer]

And don't want all the society idea, you know, I'm a woman.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Keke Palmer]

You know what I mean? But the men in my life told me that I could also be strong.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Keke Palmer]

And I don't want to feel like I'm wrong for that or I can't be who I am for that, you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Know, listen that you talk. You need a very. I don't know your situation, but I know you need a very, very, very strong man. You are very, very. You are a very, very strong woman.

[Keke Palmer]

Now, what does that mean? Tell me what that means and describe that man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You need an alpha. You need an alpha. Alpha, I'm talking about. And when he walks into room, he commands attention. He has everybody's undivided attention when they look at him. That's a man's name.

[Keke Palmer]

Now, wait a minute. What is it about me that gives that. What is it that I'm doing?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I listen that you talk. Listen at the way you position your body. You are a very, very assertive, a very confident woman. And you sense weakness. Very, very easy. And you don't like that.

[Keke Palmer]

Wait a minute. What do you mean, I don't like that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And a man. You want a man to be a man because your father was a man and you hold your father in such high regards.

[Keke Palmer]

Larry, I remember in that time period that I was telling you about where the people were trying to take me from my family and talk about all the money I made. I said something very hurtful to my father. I said, well, I'm the one making all the money. He said very calmly, there's a lot more that goes into leading a family than making some money. He didn't scream at me. He didn't berate me. He just said that and walked off. Larry has taught me everything that it means to be of service. What is sacrifice and reward, what is kindness and strength under pressure? And yes, that is everything I expect a man to be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There was an incident that happened and you spoke about the Trey Songz incident. We don't have to get into it, but I would like come on hand.

[Keke Palmer]

That was so deep, you ain't got to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But how important is it for women to speak up, to speak out?

[Keke Palmer]

It's important. I know it's hard if somebody doesn't want to speak out. I'm also not that person to pressure them because there's been other things that I've endured that I ain't spoke of, spoke about, spoken about. No, I haven't put it in the book.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why?

[Keke Palmer]

Why? I don't Know how? I don't know what the reason would be to bring it up or what it would be to talk about. And again, I'm very cautious of everything I say and everything I do because I don't like to be salacious. I like everything I say to have a reason and a meaning. And with that video, it was hard to speak out about all that because I didn't want people to think I was trying to just say, like, he was trying to get at me, he wanted me. Because I don't think that's what it was about. It was just about power. And sometimes people's sexual prayers is their power.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

If I think you want me, then I can use that to get you to do what I want. I think it was simply that, yes, I just didn't. I didn't want him like that. I respected him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Keke Palmer]

I didn't see him that way. Right. And so that's why I went the way it went. And I just wanted to stand up for myself because I felt that I hadn't stood up for myself in the moment. So when the video came out, that's what you saw. And so I think for anybody, you know, speak up when you feel that the time is right. But always get it out. Always tell somebody. Speak it, talk it through. Figure out how to process what it is you went through that you experienced. Because a lot of women, I'll be honest, a lot of women have been assaulted and don't even know. That's the weird nuances that it comes to. When it comes to rape culture in our society, it's so embedded that a lot of people don't know when they're even being harassed or when someone did something inappropriate. But they just have all these feelings, and then all of a sudden they start changing, and they don't know how to act, and they don't know why they're feeling the way they're feeling. So I think it's important to write down how you feel, talk to somebody, speak to somebody about it, and get it out so that you can understand the experiences that you've had, whether you want to take them to court or not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got a book, master of the secret to controlling your narrative. The book comes out November 19, 2024. What can people expect? Are we going to get a different side of Kiki? What are we going to get from this book?

[Keke Palmer]

Yeah, I mean, well, it depends on how much you're into my work. If you're super into it, then you're gonna feel like this is the Kiki, you know, that's continuing to evolve and develop and grow as a young woman. If you don't know me, then you're gonna get a lot of interesting things that you aren't privy to. But I'll be honest. This isn't. I'm not. You know, I don't believe in sipping tea. That's bitter. I'm not a bitter person. You know what I mean? I'll share information if I feel that it's going to be useful for the next person. But ultimately, this is a book about self mastery, about being able to show up for yourself in a better way that allows you to live in this world where we really can't control much, where things are gonna go away that you didn't expect them to, that you can do everything that you thought in your mind was correct and things still may crumble. How do you survive from that? And then the other side of it, it's also about entrepreneurialism. It's about diversifying. Right. A lot of people talk about me with Kiki. Keep a bag, Palmer. Okay. Well, this book is about how I was able to. How I'm able to work in corporate and as an independent contractor and what the steps I took to get there. And knowing that, again, I'm not trying to change a system that's been around hundreds of years before me, no matter how flawed we all know it to be. There can be some changes, but I'm not gonna allow myself to be distracted around with that. Like Toni Morrison said. Who. I can't remember her exact quote, but sometimes racism and all that stuff, it can be a distraction to what you're really trying to do. Instead, I'm gonna focus my att on who I am and mastering myself and showing up in the best way that I can for me so that I am not trapped in the same wheel that keeps on turning.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Make sure you go grab a copy of Kiki's new book, master of the secret to controlling your narrative, the one, the only, Keke Palmer. Thank you, Keke.

[Keke Palmer]

That's good.

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