Club Shay Shay - Memphis Bleek Part 1

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Memphis Bleek Part 1: Summary

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guest: Memphis Bleek
Release Date: September 17, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this dynamic and candid episode, NFL Hall of Famer Shannon Sharpe welcomes Brooklyn's own hip-hop heavyweight, Memphis Bleek, for an in-depth discussion spanning Bleek's upbringing in the Marcy Projects, his close relationship with Jay-Z, the culture of Brooklyn, the realities of sudden success, navigating the music industry, the break-up of Roc-A-Fella, and lessons for rising stars. Bleek and Sharpe explore themes of ambition, loyalty, adversity, and the inner workings of hip-hop’s legendary past.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Early Life in Marcy Projects & Family Dynamics

Timestamps: 10:02–12:10

• Bleek grew up with a single mother, a "great stepfather," and an early sense of responsibility:

  "Mother was the backbone... Watching mom struggle, I just knew, like, it's not the way life going and it gotta be another side to this. So I just knew, I'm gonna change our aspect of life in this household." — Memphis Bleek (10:05)

• Fond memories included a sense of community and respect among families in the projects, and his first job was taking Jay-Z's nephews to school for $100 a week.

2. Journey into Music

Timestamps: 13:07–14:41

• Bleek tried various paths (athlete, art, gymnastics), but found magic when he "put pen to paper."

• Was deterred from street life by Jay-Z:

  “He took [my pack] and threw it... and he was like, man, don’t be out... He gave me a thousand dollars pocket and was like, I better not catch you in the building selling drug. You got a better future than this.” — Memphis Bleek (13:19)

• Jay-Z, Dame Dash, and others from Roc-A-Fella were essential mentors.

3. Brooklyn’s Influence & Hip-Hop Legacy

Timestamps: 14:41–15:45

• Brooklyn described as a melting pot:

  "Brooklyn is so diverse... all them coaches come together and you get different styles that breed from that." — Memphis Bleek (14:56)

• Bleek asserts Brooklyn is the best borough, with an independent spirit (15:37).

4. Meeting Legendary Figures: Biggie & Jay-Z

Timestamps: 15:45–22:33

• First met Biggie during the "Brooklyn’s Finest" session, then more personally at an Apollo show (15:59–16:09).

• Recounts aspiration and awe watching Biggie and Jay’s ascent:

  "Watching them, they're legends, man... it gets no better than Biggie, Jay Z, Tupac, Nas... I just wanted to be a part of the history." — Memphis Bleek (20:30)

• On losing Biggie:

  “I was just heartbroken, devastated. I couldn’t believe it... That’s what really broke my heart because we was trying to get away from that.” — Memphis Bleek (21:17)

• Jay-Z’s success was visible even in the projects—a “waterbed, air conditioner, white carpet”—and fueled Bleek’s ambition (22:03–22:34).

5. Dealing with Success, Envy, and Resentment

Timestamps: 23:03–23:32; 32:04–36:16

• Early on, Bleek's confidence sometimes bordered on cockiness:

  "In school, I used to tell my teachers, I'm gonna make more money than you. So these lessons don't mean nothing, teach. I don't need this test today. I'm gonna be richer than you." — Memphis Bleek (23:03)

• Most resentment came from close friends and family; “Success changes everything.”

• Discusses family expecting handouts and the lesson that saying “no” often changes relationships:

  “50 yeses, one no, and you're the biggest enemy in the world.” — Memphis Bleek (36:12)

• On learning to manage money and responsibility (“people don’t know they asking for a bill”) (35:46).

6. Relationship with Jay-Z & Roc-A-Fella Family

Timestamps: 13:58–14:41; 24:50–28:28

• Bleek and Jay-Z’s family bond comes from their mothers’ friendship.

• Jay-Z’s business focus is highlighted; motivation was always to be a mogul, not just a superstar.

  “Jay always been the businessman... music is the backbone, but his business is his personality.” — Memphis Bleek (24:50)

• The legendary “opportunity meets preparation” moment when Bleek ended up on Jay’s “Reasonable Doubt” after freestyling for Jay-Z and DJ Clark Kent.

• Shares how Jay-Z’s work ethic and prodigious talent was clear early on:

  “He was handpicked by the angels, man. Like, his path was... so easy for him.” — Memphis Bleek (30:49)

7. Navigating the Music Industry & Learning Lessons

Timestamps: 31:23–44:39

• First major purchase: Buying a house in New Jersey for his mom and himself at 17 (31:34).

• Early mistakes from youthful arrogance led to missing the Biggie tour and other opportunities.

  “Becoming too big headed after Reasonable Doubt. I thought I was a superstar... I made it. This is the peak of success.” — Memphis Bleek (36:48)

• Jay-Z’s tough love helped steer Bleek back on track.

• Candid admission about not always foreseeing Jay-Z’s global success:

  “I knew he was gonna be one of the greats, but the greatest, I didn’t know. I couldn't see this.” — Memphis Bleek (44:39)

8. Advice for Young Artists

Timestamps: 44:48–46:16

• Prioritize long-term success and financial stability:

  "Leave the girls... don't chase the girls, chase the money 'cause the girls chase the men with the money." — Memphis Bleek (45:13)

• Warns young artists against chasing “the street life” after financial success.

  "You don't become a millionaire to be gang... That's the whole purpose, is that why you doing it legit, is to leave that culture." — Memphis Bleek (45:37)

9. Business Mistakes, Dame Dash, and Roc-A-Fella’s Fall

Timestamps: 46:29–54:47

• Dame Dash saved Bleek from a predatory management contract:

  "Don't just pay somebody to read something. Pay somebody to teach you something. You know, learn the business." — Memphis Bleek (47:30)

• On the breakup of Roc-A-Fella:

  "Worst day of my life... I tried and there was nothing I can do, man." — Memphis Bleek (52:38)

• Attributing the split to ego and the quest for credit:

  “People want the credit. They want to be the man... I think that old me, me, me attitude is what destroyed it.” — Memphis Bleek (53:42)

10. Enduring Legacy: Hip-Hop Labels, Kanye, Rihanna, & More

Timestamps: 54:58–59:51

• Bleek’s personal top five labels: Roc-A-Fella, Cash Money, Death Row, No Limit, Rough Riders, and Def Jam as foundational (55:24–56:23).

• On Kanye:

  “Kanye is a musical genius... His sure endurance and perseverance to grind and make people believe, like forever etched in stone.” — Memphis Bleek (56:35)

• On Rihanna:

  “I had no clue who she was. ...Rihanna was one of the most beautiful women... I knew once she get her face on camera... she’s grown.” — Memphis Bleek (58:29)

11. On Rap Beef and Hip-Hop’s Competitive Nature

Timestamps: 60:10–62:17

• Rap battles are foundational: “Rap started out as battling… it's a competitive sport, like, number one. It's like trying to be friends in basketball, football. After the game, we could. But when we get on them lines, it's war.” — Memphis Bleek (60:45)

• Reflects on legendary beefs (LL vs. Kool Moe Dee, Nas vs. Jay-Z, Tupac vs. Biggie, Ice Cube vs. NWA).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Jay-Z Mentorship:

  “The man I am sitting here today is because of those men.” — Memphis Bleek (14:14)

• On Facing Resentment:

  “Success changes everything… from loved ones, from friends, family...The one time you say no, you’re the biggest enemy in the world.” — Memphis Bleek (36:12)

• On Preparation:

  “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” — Shannon Sharpe (27:50)

• On Jay-Z’s Destiny:

  “He was handpicked by the angels, man.” — Memphis Bleek (30:49)

• Advice to Youth:

  “Don’t chase the girls, chase the money because the girls chase the men with the money.” — Memphis Bleek (45:13)

• On Dame Dash:

  “Dame saved my life, man. …I don’t feel good about talking about anybody I once called brother in a negative light.” — Memphis Bleek (46:35)

• On Roc-A-Fella's Demise:

  “I think that old ‘me, me, me’ attitude is what destroyed it.” — Memphis Bleek (53:42)

• On the Nature of Rap:

  “Rap started out as battling… it’s a competitive sport.” — Memphis Bleek (60:45)

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamps | |----------------------------|---------------------| | Upbringing & Marcy Projects| 10:02–12:10 | | Industry Mentorship | 13:58–14:41 | | Brooklyn’s Artistic Diversity| 14:41–15:45 | | Meeting Biggie | 15:52–16:52 | | Loss of Biggie | 21:17–22:03 | | First Big Payday | 31:23–31:52 | | Resentment from Success | 32:04–36:16 | | Missing Big Opportunities | 36:48–37:57 | | Dame Dash and Business | 46:29–47:23 | | Roc-A-Fella’s Breakup | 52:38–54:47 | | Hip-Hop Label Top 5 | 54:58–56:23 | | On Kanye & Rihanna | 56:35–59:32 | | Rap Beef & Competition | 60:10–62:30 |

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Tone

The episode is lively, reflective, and authentic, guided by Sharpe’s laid-back but probing approach and Bleek’s Brooklyn candor. Both weave humor, nostalgia, and hard-earned wisdom throughout their conversation, offering insight for both hip-hop fans and anyone interested in stories of ambition and loyalty.

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For Part 2, check Club Shay Shay’s feed for the continued conversation.

Transcript

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, a quick one, you know. Cause he took a shot at the big homie. You see Jay with a little hiccup, you know, somebody falsely accusing him and you want to take a shot. He lucky it was on Instagram. So I'd have seen him. He'd have met the real me. He wouldn't have met Memphis Bleak. That's personal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hello. Welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay. I am your host, Shannon Sharpe. I'm also the proprietor of Club Shay Shay. So stopping by for conversation of the drink today. All the way from the Marcy projects in Brooklyn. A renowned figure in the music industry, he's been in the game for over three decades. A goal selling rapper, a music label executive, an entrepreneur and a businessman. And he's one of the first artists signed to the famed Rockefeller label. Here he is, a hip hop heavyweight all the way from the bk.

[Memphis Bleek]

Memphis Bleak yeah yeah, you know what it is Yours truly, Memphis Bleak in the building. Club Shay Shay. When the rock in the building you know it's hot in the building. We gotta do what we do, baby. Album out now. Apartment 3D. Let's get to it, man. Mario wine is with the smoke Shout out my whole crew mind right Exotics Doucet Ace gang rock solid Roc Nation, baby yeah let's get to it. Rising stars and alchemy yes, yes. Yours truly from the number one greatest this is what we do baby yes. Yo, he's like blizzard where you've been hiding that I've been multiply adding and dividing that my whole team chewing ain't no denying that you said it's your block While we thinking of buying that I should charge you a fee for this boss talk when you play the simply three it should cost more I give you this one here for the love money that project want to show me how to rinse the drug money I used to move the white on that New York that Jon Snow real king of the north my business stretch out on the westing clubs I will best in now I'm trying to invest in yes King design yes King on my mind money all the time all the time baby king king yes let's get to it yes all the hey y' all that do say moving like it's the now river that my right smoking come blow a pound with us don't mention me until you ziggy bought something fronting with another in the bread that should cost something you lucky it's free for you to gossip Cause if it causes explain why you ain't got you watching my moves I hope you learn something say they spinning well don't make us shoot turn something yeah they throwing shots in the lyrics If I catch a case then it better be in spirits yes, you know the rose or the XO I get the game they like to in depress go, let's go yes, all the time baby. It's the rap the life king yes, go do say mafia baby. Yeah.

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[Memphis Bleek]

Life Been grinding all my life Sacrifice, hustle, wanna slice got to roll a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dice that's why all my life I've.

[Memphis Bleek]

Been grinding all my life Look. All my life Been grinding all my life Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price, wanna.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Slice got to roll a dice that's why all my life I've been grinding.

[Memphis Bleek]

All my life My brother. What's up, man?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm good, bro. Good. How you been, man?

[Memphis Bleek]

Great, man. No Complaints? No complaints.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want to thank you for performing. You know, that's something that we're trying to add to Club Shay Sha. Try to have it a more intimate experience. Guys, come on. And they can rap or ladies that can sing. We have them to perform. So. Man, I really appreciate you, first of all, taking time out of your busy schedule and then performing on Club Shaysha. So I really, really appreciate that.

[Memphis Bleek]

It's an honor, man. Plus, I got a project just dropped, so I had to perform something, man. Shout out my girl Tish Hyman on that record.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? Look, I know you a Doucet guy.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I wanted you to try. I wanted you to try mine.

[Memphis Bleek]

Definitely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is shaved by Laport. It's a cognac.

[Memphis Bleek]

I see you got two different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. You know, I had a procedure this morning, so they advised me not to do no drink with this anesthesia still in my system.

[Memphis Bleek]

Health and wealth, brother.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Congratulations on everything you've been able to do and continued success.

[Memphis Bleek]

Thank you, my brother.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me know what you think.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, yeah, that's not bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's a VSOP. Hey, we won like 13, 14 awards, the SIP awards, which is the highest award you can win in the spirits industry, which is the blind taste test. They put all the cognacs on the thing and they just let people sample em and they say, you know what? I like C. And come to find out.

[Memphis Bleek]

That was yours.

[Shannon Sharpe]

C was us.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, that's what's up. Congratulations.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, man, so that's always great.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. The liquor space is not easy, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is not.

[Memphis Bleek]

It's not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's a three tier system. It ain't just, well, you know, bleak. Hey, man, I like to sell that to my store. Nah, nah, nah, bro. You don't go through that.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta go through a distribution.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right, man. They tell you it's levels, you gotta grow, graduate. Like it's steps to this thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta market it and you gotta be out there, you gotta be front and center. A lot of times. A lot of times, celebrities or entertain or whomever try to just slap their name on it and it's gonna go. No, it won't.

[Memphis Bleek]

Nope. It's gonna sit right there on that shelf.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sit right there, right there on the shelf. So thank you for coming by. Let's get right into it. Upbringing, the Marcy Projects in Brooklyn.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What was the family dynamic in your household?

[Memphis Bleek]

Single mother, of course. You know, father wasn't there, but I had a great stepfather, you know, My stepfather passed Away Derrick, he raised me, my brother. And then my sister came along. But mom was the backbone of the family. You know, she did everything. Watching mom struggle, I just knew, like, it's not the way life going and it gotta be another side to this, you know what I mean? So I just knew, I'm gonna change our aspect of life in this household. I knew that was my destiny. I was destined for that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you have an idea of how you were gonna change that dynamic? Because a lot of times you look, what am I gonna do? Because I see my mom or I see my father struggling, and the last thing I wanna do is struggle as a child and then struggle as an adult.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you have an idea gonna take for you to break that cycle?

[Memphis Bleek]

Every kid wanted to be an athlete, so of course I thought I was gonna be a basketball player.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you hoop? Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

Then I thought I was gonna be a baseball player. Football wasn't in my cards. Like, we didn't have those programs in Marcy, you know what I mean? It was mainly baseball and basketball, but that didn't work. Then I tried to do art, you know, do art. I even got a little gymnastics in my. You know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, so I tried everything. And it's. When I put the pen to the paper, magic happened. Like, that's when the magic just happened. So. And it worked.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Give me growing up in the projects in Brooklyn. Give me some of your fondest memories Give me a couple of your fondest memories about growing up in the housing project.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, man. Growing up in the housing project is love, like, one of my fondest memories is love, like everybody in my building from the first floor. Six is six. Six floors in the building. And in my building, 534, you know, Jay lived in the same building as me on the fifth floor. I lived on the third. The number one thing I remember then is the love we had in our building from everybody. From people, grandmothers, the mothers, the aunts, cousins, sons. And, you know, that what it was, my first job was taking Jay nephews to school for $100 a week.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I signed up for that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yep. Straight up. So, you know, like, the memories of the projects, all I got is good memories until you get older and then, you know, you start losing friends and it changes everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You mentioned about the love and the projects. The one thing I remember about growing up, and I think, bleak. I'm a little older than you, but there's a certain level of respect that young people had for older people. Yes, it was a older, even if it wasn't a family member, they could correct a child.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If they say, son, don't talk like that. Son, why you doing that? Your mom or your grandma be so disappointed. Now, you can't correct nobody's child.

[Memphis Bleek]

That ain't your child.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't tell my such and such.

[Memphis Bleek]

And some of these kids are super disrespectful.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Memphis Bleek]

You kidding me? They don't even want correction from their parents, let alone an outside parent. Growing up, I had about five mothers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly. All of them could discipline you if you stepped. Not only would they discipline when your mom or your dad got help, they tell.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right. And then it was on. It was on, man. Like, that was the thing. Like, people, you know, you ran from other parents. More than the police or other kids or anything. It was the parents you hid everything from. So that was it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This rapping thing, that was just like, once I put pen to paper, that's when the magic. And I was like, okay, this is what I'm gonna do. But you kinda got a little sidetracked. You started moving a little something. A little something, something.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. I remember a day I was in the thinking I was gonna be Nino Brown. And Jay came through like, you know, he like, yo, what you doing? And I'm like, you know, I'm trying to get money. I'm trying to be like, y' all like, you know, lights off in the crib. I gotta make sure mine is straight. And he like, let me see what you working with. So I show him my pack. Like, yeah, I'm getting money. He took it and threw it. We had this thing called an incinerator, right? It was the trash chute, and he threw it in there. So I'm like, yo, whoa, bro, I needed that. Like, yo, that was $1,000 pack. I need it. And he was like, man, don't be out. He gave me a thousand dollars pocket and was like, I better not catch you in the building selling drug. You got a better future than this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn.

[Memphis Bleek]

Straight up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, and we're gonna get to it. But you mentioned Jay a lot. I've seen some of your interviews. And when you talk about Jay, even though you guys are not blood brothers, you guys are almost. You guys are like brothers. And sometimes that relationship is a lot closer than blood. Relationship, yes.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like Jay. I can honestly say Jay and his cousin Biha Biggs and Dame Dash, rest in peace, Clark Kent. They raised me. The man I am sitting here today is because of those men, like, growing up around them, their tutelage, especially Jay and Jazz O at first, when I first was growing up, putting pen to paper, I used to ask them for all kind of advice. They always was there and gave me a helping hand and a friendly air.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What is it about Brooklyn? Biggie, Lil Kim, Jay Z, Fab, Big Daddy, Kane, MC Ly, ODB J, Master J, Joey, Badass, Papu, Smart Pop Smoke, Most Def. What is it about Brooklyn that bred so many?

[Memphis Bleek]

It's just. I think it's the vibe, like what you would call the style. Cause each of those artists you name have their own style. No one sounds alike. So it's what they bring to the game, the area, the culture they was brought up in. And Brooklyn is so diverse, where, you know, you got the Jamaicans, you got the Mexicans, you got the Haitians, you got the Puerto Ricans, you got the Dominicans, and you got the blacks. And we all mixed in one pot. And all them coaches come together and you get different styles that breed from that. So all these artists was just expressing their struggle and their style. And that's what made Brooklyn, I think, so dynamic with artists.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is BK the best borough?

[Memphis Bleek]

Of course, hands down, the biggest. The biggest borough. Remember, we was our own city before we became part of New York City when we had the Brooklyn Dodgers. Brooklyn was his own city.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. So Biggie, what would that. So how did you meet Biggie?

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, I met Biggie in the studio session with Jay when he came to do Brooklyn Finest.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know, and that was my first time meeting him. And then I met him again out of interaction. That was when I saw him. I didn't speak to him there. My first interaction with him was at the show in Apollo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Memphis Bleek]

When him and Jay had a show in Apollo. And I remember telling Big yo, when I get my album, dawg, I need you on. And he like, of course I got you, Brooklyn. I got you all the time. But of course, we never made it to that far.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, man. So what's your favorite memory? Although it was brief. What is your favorite memory of Biggie?

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, man, my favorite memory of Biggie is weird. I remember being in Jersey. That's when they first bought these homes in Hackensack. They had elevators in it. You know, I was fresh in the projects, so to see a house with an elevator inside of it was like these guys getting astronomical figures. Like, this was brand new to me. Then they had the Land Cruisers with the Eddie Bauer lever leather. And I remember he let little Siege drive it.

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[Memphis Bleek]

The keys to the car. I gotta have a talk with Jay. So like you know stuff like that just seeing him as the first, like, and really come up from the same era, same struggle I did, and see where he took it was just, like, the motivation and inspiration I needed as a kid. I say Biggie, Noriega and Capone, Jay Z, they was the people I saw and was like, they living like this. I definitely need to make a record.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is it. And I tell people, and people always ask me, my brother, I was like, when I saw him go to college, I was like, I can go to college. He slept where I slept. He ate what I ate. That's right. So I can do it. When he went to the league, I was like, well, we came up in the same household. We ate the same thing. We lived the same way. I can do it. Was it that way when you were big? You like, well, damn. I grew up around here with Big. I grew up around here with hov. I grew up around here with some of these guys. If they did it, I could do it.

[Memphis Bleek]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Memphis Bleek]

I knew my pen was strong, but it's not Biggie or Jay Z strong. Like, I just was hoping to make my mark. But watching them, they're legends, man. Like, it gets no better than Biggie, Jay Z, Tupac, Nas. Like, where you go from there? I feel like they said everything. Only thing you could say is find a way to say the things they said in a different way. But those are the greatest pens on the paper. Like, I just wanted to be a part of the history. I didn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where were you when you found out that Biggie had passed so young. So, I mean. I mean, you know, obviously he was out there promoting the Life After Death. He had the Notorious B.I.G I think that was his first album. And so, so young. And boy, you like, man, he here.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. I was in Brooklyn, like, I was in the projects in Marcy. And I remember when it hit the news. I remember that day. And I was just heartbroken, devastated. I couldn't believe it. It took me a while to adjust, and I was like, no way. They have to have it wrong. There's no way. He have too much security for that. To me, it was, like, so unreal. And then being a rapper, we never thought, like, the rap in the streets can emerge. Yes, like that. So that was the first time really knowing, noticing that, hey, this rap thing can really take a U turn and put you right back where you trying to get away from. You know what I mean? So that's what really broke my heart because we was trying to get away from that. And, you know, you make all this money, showcase your talent, do all of this. And still to go out on some negative street violence is just like, devastating.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow. You said HOV was living like a king in the project.

[Memphis Bleek]

Had a waterbed, flat screen tv. I mean, not flat screen. He had the floor model tv. First of all, to have an air conditioner and a project, your money was different. Your money was different. Cause everybody had a fan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Had a fan in the window.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. With a squirt bottle just to get the water breeze on you. Yeah. So to go in his room and the air conditioner, water bath, everything all white, the white carpet. I'm looking in there like, I need to find out what he doing. I want to be a part of that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Memphis Bleek]

And that's what changed my whole. I'm not flipping, I'm not drawing, I'm not playing basketball. I'm not doing none of that. I want to do what he doing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. I've had some young celebrity, teenage celebrities. I had Bow Wow talk to Chris Brown, had Megan Good. I had Coco Jones, I had Keke Palmer. And they say they met some resentment, some jealousy, having success, having to go to school and people looking at them, they can see them on tv, they're on the written, you know, they're in the movies and so forth and so on. Did you experience any of that?

[Memphis Bleek]

Nah, man. In school, I used to tell my teachers, I'm gonna make more money than you. So these lessons don't mean nothing, teach. I don't need this test today. I'm gonna be richer than you. Now, remember, my teacher used to be like, where do you think you gonna. I'm like, trust me, this music thing gonna work. And they used to be like, you gonna pour your eggs in the music? Good luck. That's why I teach. Trust me, right? I'm gonna make it so. And then the more resentment you get, I feel like when you become success, it really comes from your environment.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Memphis Bleek]

The people who know you, right. And they just feel like, why him, not me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Memphis Bleek]

So it really didn't come from the outside or like school or anything. It came from the kids that I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Called my kids that you really knew.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. It changes everything, man. Success changes everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You mentioned and you always speak glowing about hope. What was it about you and him? What connected y' all families?

[Memphis Bleek]

My mother and his sister was best friends, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, so when we first moved to the projects, I was two years old, right. My mother say the first person she met was Mickey, which is Michelle, Jay's sister.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Memphis Bleek]

And they became best friends. So it's no age where I know I met Jay. I just always knew him. That's Jay. And, you know, and I always knew he was doing the music thing. Running around with Big Daddy Kane at the time with Jazz. Oh, Jazz O was the. You know, out of Marcy, really have a record deal. And I just knew I wanted to be. I wanted to get a ride on that train. Like, wherever that train going, I need to be a passenger.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. You look at where he's come from, and he doesn't really do a whole lot of music now. He'll jump on a track here and there, but he's more known outside of what, you know, the Doucet brand and build up his Ace of Spade and building up what he's been able to do. So music is. That's still the backbone of what it is, but it's not at the forefront of what he does.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. Like, Jay always been the businessman. And if you go back to his first album, second album, around that time, he always was talking about retiring after his first album. Then he was like, I'm gonna retire after the second album. He never wanted to do this and be this glamorous superstar. He wanted to be the biggest businessman. So that's why, if you see music is the backbone, but his business is his personality. You know what I mean? That's who he is, the businessman. And that's what overshadows the music. So now I feel like it's to a point Jay needs to be challenged to do music and not. I feel like not saying that, like, somebody need to diss him or competition. He just feels like there's no one on his level. Like, until someone, like, when Eminem was making music, Pun was making music, Biggie, Mel, Tupac, those guys. He had competition to be like, oh, I gotta be number one. There's no competition for Jay now. Unless he want to battle me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, let me ask you this. Cause there's a lot been said. You know, he has a prominent role with the NFL.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he is responsible for bringing Axe for the halftime show. And he's never gonna be able. He's never gonna be 100%. Because if they bring Memphis Bleak, why didn't you bring this guy?

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you bring that guy, why didn't you bring this?

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right. It's always gonna be that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's always gonna be something.

[Memphis Bleek]

You can never please everybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What is it that the Internet get.

[Memphis Bleek]

Wrong about is that they think he do things personally that he that, like, you know, of course they think, like, he pulled the names out the hat and be like, oh, not that guy. I don't like him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Memphis Bleek]

I didn't like his album. Or he did this about me. And it's never about that. It's about the best situation for business. Sometimes business decisions hurt the ones you love, hurt your friends. But at the end result, is it better for business? And that's the decision you have to make when you. It's no friendness. It's business.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's business. You're absolutely right. Right. You freestyle for Jay on reasonable do. How did. How did that come about?

[Memphis Bleek]

Rest in peace, Clarkett. It was them walking through the projects, you know, And I'm sitting on the bench just hot summer day. And, you know, they pull up on the. In the Lexus, new Lexus, they ain't even out yet. Paper plates. And I'm like, man, I gotta find out how to get involved with these guys, right? So I'm like, yo, I rhyme, man. I get busy. Y' all gotta hear me out. So Clark Ken was like. J. First was like, yo, you rhyme. Get outta here. You never told me that. I'm like, yeah. Clark was like, let me hear something. And then I rhymed for them, and that's when they was like. And Clark was like, yo, he might be good for this record. And the rest is history from there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you practice that or you just right off the cuff?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, right there. I always used to write rhymes just sitting outside with my friends. And when I put my mind to something as a kid, I knew that's what I wanted to do. Like, I didn't know this was gonna be from rap. I just wanted to be the best rapper from Marcy, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But even though you said you was always putting the paper yourself and you would, you know, you doing what you did, but the opportunity. Cause you never knew when Jay and DJ Clark Kent was gonna roll up or somebody was gonna roll up and they need you to spit something.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, you know, people say, look, luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you're prepared, the opportunity presented itself. Clark Kent and HOV came strolling through.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You was prepared.

[Memphis Bleek]

I was ready. Cause I always, always wrote rhymes. And then I had a friend, you know, used to take me to talent shows. Rest in peace. Guy named Sombrich. Used to play the major instruments for my projects. That's who always used to take me to shows, talent shows and everything. And he the first Person put in my head, if you ain't 10 minutes early, you 10 minutes late.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow.

[Memphis Bleek]

So I live off that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you was surprised that you learned that Jay wrote your verse in such a short period of time.

[Memphis Bleek]

He didn't even write it. Like, when he gave me a piece of paper, we went to the house, and he ripped a piece of paper right out of the notebook and was like, yo, as fast as you remember, this is as fast as your life. Or two change. I'm like, what? Okay. I went downstairs, rewrote on a piece of paper. Probably like an hour later. I called him, yo, I'm ready. He like, you remember it already. I'm like, I'm ready. We went to Clark Ken crib that day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's how fast I. Cause, bro, what was happening in my projects, in my apartment, you had to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get up out of there.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, I was eating syrup bread, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, bro. I know, I know. Mayonnaise sandwiches.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. Ketchup on your rice. Come on, it's time to go. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can imagine. You know, I'm old enough to remember. And I saw Michael Jordan play. I saw Kobe play, obviously. I've seen LeBron and Steph Curry play. I saw Michael Johnson run. I could imagine what it would be like to see Usain Bolt or see Simone Biles or Michael Phelps in their craft. Greatness personified.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now you get an opportunity to see Hov. And everybody talks about Hov. I think it was D.J. khaled said, like, you know, send him a beat. And he talk and he's like, hovie's just, like, wrote nothing. He ain't writing nothing down. He just nodding his head.

[Memphis Bleek]

Tell the engineer to go in there and let's go. Just like that. I seen Jay write a whole song from the time we was in the. Like, we at the house. This, when he lived in 560 State St. The limo pick us up to go to the airport. JFK probably a good 30 minutes from downtown. 40 minutes with traffic from door to airport door. He wrote the whole song. Sunshine in the car, didn't say one word. We got out the car. He like, yo, I got a whole song. And we laid it down In Virginia, like, 30 minutes, whole record. Telling you, I done seen this, man. I knew. That's why when you say. When you look at somebody and you say, if he did it, I could do it. No, I knew I can't do that. He was handpicked by the angels, man. Like, his path was. It was no way. Cause it was like one day, everything Just changed. And it was so easy for him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he's what you would call, like, you know, young kid. They say prodigy.

[Memphis Bleek]

Mm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Savant. He's destined.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes, to be. That's how I saw him. Like, he always been, like. Well, how people view him today. Billionaire hov. He was always that to me. Growing up in the projects, I didn't have 10%, 1% of what he had.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How did Reasonable Doubt change your life?

[Memphis Bleek]

It changed the. Everything, the whole complexion of everything. But when it dropped, I didn't realize it was changing it for this. Cause back then, success to me was having all the girls in Brooklyn. You know what I mean? I didn't care about the. The money was like, okay, let's give some money to mom, make sure the bills is paid. But I didn't see life really outside of Marcy yet. So I thought I was the neighborhood superstar. That's why I missed the second album. So if you ask me, Reasonable Doubt did good. It helped and ruined my life, but put me on the right track.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You get money? What, from that? I'm considering. You probably got little bread, more money than you had ever had ever seen in your life.

[Memphis Bleek]

Of course, yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What was the first thing you did with it?

[Memphis Bleek]

First thing I ever did when I went and bought a house. Cause I always wanted a backyard pool. You know what I mean? I wanted to do that. So, 17 years old, I went and purchased a house in New Jersey. That was my first thing I bought with my money. Then I moved my mom and her to New Jersey with me. And then, you know, went and bought a couple cars.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know, you stunt.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta stunt now. I already got the crib, got the pool in the backyard. I took care of Mom.

[Memphis Bleek]

Now it's time to get the cars and pull back up to these high schools.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now you got a car, you in Jersey, took care of Mom. Now are you starting to notice there's more envy, there's more resentment starting to be aimed at your direction.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. From loved ones, from friends, family members that think, why? Why not me? Why you? You know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

Cousins and aunts are thinking, yeah, you should buy me a house too. It's like, huh? You don't. You don't even pay your rent.

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[Memphis Bleek]

You can't maintain a house. You know what it takes. People think yes. They think it's just the mortgage. They don't understand when that roof leak, there's no landlord to call. That toilet stop is nobody to call. You gotta have that cash on deck.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Cause a lot of times people expect you to Give them take care. Okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, I buy somebody a car now, they expecting me when the tires change.

[Memphis Bleek]

The tires? Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, it needs to be serviced. Hey, you will take care of the service?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, bro, that's you. That was a one time thing. You must maintain the upkeep.

[Memphis Bleek]

And a lot of people, they don't even know what they ask for. They don't even know they asking for a bill. When they ask for these things, a house, a car, it's like, okay, you're asking for a bill. I hope you can maintain these things.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, they can't. They expect you to maintain.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then you learn a lot about people. Memphis Bleak when you say no.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

As long as you say, hey, Bleak.

[Memphis Bleek]

Man, they love you. They love you. The one time you say no, you're the biggest enemy in the world. Yeah, and it's cool. I've been the enemy for a long time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

After 50 yeses, one no and you're.

[Memphis Bleek]

The biggest enemy in the world. Changes everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, my goodness.

[Memphis Bleek]

School.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what now you're 17? I think you probably still.

[Memphis Bleek]

No, I left school.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You left?

[Memphis Bleek]

I left. I got up out of there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

School couldn't hold you?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, it wasn't. I learned everything I needed, man. You know, fundamentals, reading, writing, math, you know, comprehension, social studies. There was nothing else to learn. And I got $150,000 check. It was like, it's no looking what I need in there. I'm out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. I'm making more than the teacher.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, it was nothing to do. I'm to going. I'll see y' all later.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I read when you missed the Biggie tour.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. How did that happen? Becoming too big headed after Reasonable Doubt. I thought I was a superstar. Like I said, I got a little bit of money. Family good. I'm thinking everything is cool. I don't need nothing else. I made it. This is the peak of success. So then Jay used to be calling me to go to the studio. I used to tell my moms, tell him I'm not here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's home. That's your man. I tell him I'm not here. I don't wanna go to the studio today. I'm good. I got a couple girls coming over. Forget the studio.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, and you know, mom, she like Jay. He in the room with some chicken heads. And Jay pulled up. I never forget, he kicked my girls out. Get out of here. And I mean, he asked me. He had to talk with me like this what you want to do? You want to be in the projects with these girls? He like, bro, I'm rich. I'm trying to give you the opportunity to change your life, to change life in this apartment. I want to bring you with me, but if this what you want to do, cool. I'll leave you here to do it. And left. And I ain't see Jay for probably like a year or two. After that, he went on tour, dropped another album, and I didn't even know Contact, nothing. And it was one day. I seen him in the projects and played my story. And I haven't missed another session on anything since that day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your mom really saved your career, your life.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Even though she dimed you out? Your mom just snitching on you for a minute?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, yeah, she definitely dimed me out, but she helped me out. She knew he on the road to know he was on the path, heading nowhere.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So has Jay always been this mature? He seemed like he's a little older than you, I'm sure.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes, yes, yes. He's older than me, but he's always.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like, focused on, yeah, okay, all this. I want this, this, and this. But this is a journey. That's not my destination.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. Like always, bro. Like I say, Jay was a prophet, and he still is. Like, he see things and talk things into fruition.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Memphis Bleek]

Like, if you look. If you listen to the song. What's the song? It's with Irv Gotti. God bless Irv Gotti, your customer. Listen to the beginning line. He say it's the eventual triple platinum rapper with the Solid Goldfake. What rapper starts a verse off that? I' ma eventually be this. That's how you knew. He knew where he was going with it. He knew and nothing was gonna take him off that path.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But even before all the success, you saw him grind. Yes.

[Memphis Bleek]

Working like ready old.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause you don't do. You don't look. You can't become successful and then start to grind. No, you grind before you become successful. Therefore, it's easy to maneuver.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. I remember when, you know, the days. Funkmaster Flex, bj, Red Alert. They wouldn't play the records. And we used to make baskets by, you know, champagne, Cristal, Godiva, all type of stuff. And make gift baskets for the radio station to try to get them to play his records. Like, it was a struggle, you know, carrying crates of records to Burkina mixtape shop, you know, beach street, downtown Brooklyn, like, trying to get these people to sell the tapes. It was a struggle, man. It was not. You Know, people like to read the end of the story. Nobody like to pick up the glossary of the book.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Memphis Bleek]

They don't want to get to the beginning.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But. But you know, I read like, well, because the record label didn't want to sign him because he was a little older than the typical rappers. He was like what, 26. And a lot of these, you know, they 18, 19, 20, you know, they.

[Memphis Bleek]

Take advantage of them. They was already super smart, you know, crazy intelligent. One of the smartest men I know like. And like I said, he knew what he wanted to do. The path was set, he knew. And he wouldn't take them less or no, for an answer.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He ends up selling Rockefeller to death Def Jam for 10 mil. And you like. And a lot of people, you know, 10 million back then, that's a lot of bread.

[Memphis Bleek]

Heck, yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he wasn't satisfied.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes, 10 million today is a lot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Of bread, but you can imagine what it was back then. Back then, yes. Yeah. Because he strikes me as a guy real understanding that the minute you're satisfied as a person, you see is through as an individual.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he had an unquenchable desire, a thirst to get more.

[Memphis Bleek]

I believe. If you ask me, I believe. Once Jay got his first hundred million and he knew it was accessible, he looked at the list on Forbes and started head hunting all of them. That was it. Said, I'm coming for everybody on this list.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He wasn't gonna be satisfied with em. He needed a B behind his name.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yep. I'm telling you, he's a go getter. He don't stop no matter how much is here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We need money, right? So now. Okay, you get signed to Rockefeller.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You one of the first. He done looked out for you. He done came like, hey, get out of here. Y' all on some bull jive. Y' all holding my man back, but you allowing him to hold you back.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You need to get in the right frame of mind and realize you see all this, it's within your grasp too.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I can't. I ain't gonna hand it to you.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right. You gotta want it. It's just like the story they say you could lead a horse to water, but you can't make him dream. So I had to definitely take the drink from the fountain and learn myself. But I wanted it. Once I got the opportunity, I got the deal. Like I said, it was at the time when I was acting like I was Hollywood. So they didn't trust my work ethic, you know, they didn't really believe in it. And this was at the time when we signed Beanie Siegel. Cause I was signed first, and then Beans got signed, and then, you know, Beans was just like a breath of fresh air to the Nate, to Roc A fella that the whole focus shifted to him. So I had to prove myself. And that's why I think, you know, superstar A and R, legendary Lenny Esque. Because if it wasn't for him us believing in each other, we went and turned it around and made the first album coming to age, and we went gold. Wow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now you sign to the label, you get that signing bonus. What you do?

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, I told you that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's when you got the house.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, that's when I bought the house. That's when. Before that, I was still going to the project. I used to do shows with Jay in the limo, drop everybody off at they condo, and then pull up in the middle of the projects like I was king of New York.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Word out.

[Memphis Bleek]

The limo dropped me off right in the projects. And I used to feel.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, how did that make you feel? Like, bro, I'm stepping out of limo, but I'm stepping out of the limo, going into.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yo, I used to feel like shit, man. Like, it was like the worst feeling ever. Because you came from this such high. You flyin' first class, business class. You staying in these prestigious hotels, doing these concerts, riding around in limos, eating this fancy food, and then it's all over and the car dropped you right back to reality. So every day, I used to knew what I was working for.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mm. Mm. I heard you said you wish you had planned your career earlier.

[Memphis Bleek]

Mm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because it sounds to me, and you could correct me if I'm wrong, that you feel like you wasted a couple of years.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. I wasn't prepared. Like, the things. Like, I knew Jay was great, but did I know he was gonna be what he is today? Heck, no. I don't think none of us saw this. And I wish that if I did pay a little bit more attention, instead of chasing the girls, instead of chasing the club life, you know, the flossing, the flashy stuff, I would have been more prepared for what arised. I wouldn't be just learning the business aspect now. It would have been business then, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what? I'm really glad you said that. Because every time I talk to someone, I say, well, did you know? Oh, yeah, I knew that. I knew it. Oh, yeah, I knew he. I'm like, well, damn, Everybody knows that somebody's. I'm like, come on now. But you're really the first person that I can honestly say, like, no. You know, I knew he was good. I knew he was a hard worker. He was dedicated to the grind. He saw a brighter future, a bigger picture. But I didn't think he would become this.

[Memphis Bleek]

No. Heck no, man. This was not in the cards. I knew he was gonna be one of the greats, but the greatest, I didn't know. I couldn't see this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. Having success early. And I mentioned some of the people that I've had on, from Keke Palmer to Megan Good to Chris Brown to Bow Wow. If you could, some of the upcoming stars now, young teenagers, 13, 14, 17. If you could give them advice, if you could get five, six, seven of them in a room, what advice would you give them?

[Memphis Bleek]

Leave the girls. Like the girls come, the more the girls gonna always be there. That's the number one rule of advice I would give them, is don't chase the girls, chase the money. Cause the girls chase the men with the money. That's number one. And number two, a lot of these young guys is just turning. They're making so much money and turning to gang culture, and it's just like asinine and backwards to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's like, I thought you wanted to leave that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, you do that as you broke. You don't become a millionaire to be gang. I'm King Tito now. Like, I made 10 million, now I'm King Tito. Heck no, I don't wanna see Tito.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. That's the whole purpose. Is that why you doing it legit, is to leave that culture?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why would you make 10, 20, $15 million to go back?

[Memphis Bleek]

And that's the advice I would give, is that you're just wasting time, man, and prolonging your life, man. Like, some of these guys is cutting they path short by living a life that they not even. I ain't gonna even say living. Portraying a life that they thought was glamorous. Like the Streets don't. They don't forgive. It's unforgiving.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

The streets is not. It's not the play play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not even the play play. No, man, you don't play. It's like you don't play play five.

[Memphis Bleek]

You don't play PlayStation. Yeah, it's not the Hokey pokey. Can't put one foot in, one foot out. Turn around and shake it all about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. I read that Dame Dash got you out of a bad management contract.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes, yes. Dame saved my life, man. That's why, you know, when Me and Dame get our little Internet spat. I don't feel good about talking about anybody I once called brother in a negative light, right? This is how I like to talk about my brothers. The good things, the nice things and the genuine things they did. I remember going up to the office and I'm telling Dame, yo, I just signed my management contract. I'm ready to go. Let's get this album going. And he like, you signed a management who? Your manager. I'm like, yo, my guys, you know, he like, let me see that contract. I gave him the contract. He called the lawyer right there on the spot. Are you insane? You trying to rob my little brother? Y' all better fix this contract right now. Like crazy. And you know, I didn't know. I'm like, hold on. My lawyer set me up. Fire him. And Dame helped me get a new lawyer, new accountant. All of that word saved my life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now you've been in this situation. So how would you instruct others to go about handling business?

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, man. Hire your own lawyer, right? I had almost like a court appointed lawyer. They just gave me a lawyer. Like, do your own due diligence. Get your own attorney. And you know, make sure. Don't just pay somebody to read something. Pay somebody to teach you something. You know, learn the business.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dane wanted you to be LL Cause LL was. LL was. I mean, LL was major. He was one of the major ones like in the early 80s.

[Memphis Bleek]

Come on. LL he influenced all of us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, yes, yes. You was resistant to that.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, no. Cause we had JA Rule and they had the muscles. LL and them. I don't got the muscles. Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you weren't willing to work out to get no more muscles.

[Memphis Bleek]

I said I do, but it take a long time. I thought Muss was coming. Six months, right? Thought I could get the six month plan, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? So you said. I don't really like to go back and forth with Dame. Cause he's helped much. And when somebody help you, it's hard. But why do you think he's become so resentful?

[Memphis Bleek]

Man, I think any man that knows they did wrong before they admit it, they attack. And I think that's the phase he's going through. He's in attack mode right now. You know what I'm saying? And then comes the admission and self guilt later, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, I see people on the.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Merck and everybody said man whole world this many billion man he can kick dame down something and get him out of that situation come in, you know, blah, blah, blah.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's not Jay. I'm just letting you know that right now. Shit, I'm his friend. He ain't going. He ain't giving nothing away to the loved ones. You gotta earn it. You gotta work. And then a person who was chopping at his tree for so long, I just don't see it happening.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you're right. Yeah. I mean, because he's taking some shots. I mean.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it's in a way for me, I mean, you know the situation better than I do, and you know both of them better than I. But it's really sad to see people that were so close together become so far apart.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. And business does that. And that's why I say money is the root of all evil, man. Money is. It changes everything. You know, when you. We sitting here, everything is fine and dandy. You throw a pot of money in, everything changes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rockefeller breaking up.

[Memphis Bleek]

Worst day of my life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you. Did you. Did you go back again? Like, oh, did you know Jay Z? Could you see this coming? Could you foretell of this?

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes, I knew. We used to talk, you know, like, I remember at Change Clothes video shoot, you know, me and Dane had a little argument, like something that got real, real personal. And Jay didn't like that. And we had a conversation and he was like, yo, it's gonna come a time if none of these guys don't ship up and act right. We gonna ship em out. It ain't gonna be none of this no more. And I'm like, huh? And you know, I'm going to. To the guys trying to tell everybody, you know, break it down, but nobody was listening to me. They thought they knew the. They. They had the blueprint. And it's like, okay, if the boss is saying, this is about to be over and y' all not listening to me, I'mma just sit here and watch the credits roll in, you know? And it's sad to say that I tried and there was nothing I can do, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Money, ego, What. What was the root? What was the main. If I. If I. If I got you under oath and I got the Lord, what do you think the main reason was?

[Memphis Bleek]

Looking back now, I think it was credit. Like, for some reason, our culture loves credit being the reason behind something instead of just getting the money for something. People want the credit. They want to be the man. The reason why I put this together, you're here because of me. And I think. I think that old me, me, me attitude is what destroyed it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean. Cause if you look at it, let's just say you inherited 10 billion. And I got out and I grind and I worked, and I got 10 billion. You got 10 billion? I got 10 billion.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, we the same.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How is unimportant.

[Memphis Bleek]

That's right. And that's. That's. I don't know why people be so fascinated off of that, man. They want to explain that is because of me. It's like, okay, I'll give the credit away if I walk out and find a bag of money. And you want to say you helped me find. Go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I saw. Okay, good.

[Memphis Bleek]

I grabbed it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. But, you know, but they say most dynasties fall from within.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. All of that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's not the outside. It's the inside.

[Memphis Bleek]

And too much money, man. Too much money. Too much power. It brings egos. Really big egos, man, and it's uncontrollable.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want your honest opinion on this. The greatest rap label. We got. Death Row, Bad Boys, Cash Money, Young Money, Aftermath, no Limits. So, so Def. Rough Riders. Tde. Quality Control, Maybach Music, Def Jam.

[Memphis Bleek]

No Roc a fella. I ain't gotta. We ain't not in there.

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[Memphis Bleek]

You ain't say Roc A fella.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Roc A fella's in there.

[Memphis Bleek]

Then it's automatically Roc a fella.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Give me your five. Give me your top five.

[Memphis Bleek]

Gotta say Cash Money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Memphis Bleek]

They had one of the longest runs in hip hop independency history, I believe. Then you gotta say Death Row. Death Row started this. Gangster like, come on, man. Dr. Dre, everybody. They started that. You gotta give no Limit his props. Just off the hustle and the sure endurance masterpiece show. What's the other names you said? Oh, Rough Riders.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rough Riders.

[Memphis Bleek]

Come on, man. You got Swizz, dmx, God Bless D and Y. Real Straight, New York Yonkers, Harlem Hustlers. That turned that into what? Come on. That's four right there. And then who else would I go after that? I got a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got Young Money. You got Aftermath. You got so, so Def. You got Quality Control, Maybach Music. And you got Def Jam.

[Memphis Bleek]

Def Jam is one of the greatest labels in history, like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause they really started it.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. Without them, we wouldn't be no Young Money. Cash Money, ovo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Be no Money.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, it be nothing. Word up. So Def Jam, really the pioneers to this. Russell Simmons and them, they paved the way for what we do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kanye. What do you remember about Kanye?

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, genius, man. Kanye is a musical genius. When it came down to Kanye in the studio, he was Like Jay, he wouldn't take no for an answer. Like, Kanye heard no. Like, you know, used to make the beats, but telling everybody, I rhyme, too. Yo, listen, I got verses. I got this and everybody, man, I wanna hear your verses. He like, bleak. I'm telling you, I'm be the greatest.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get behind it, get back in, get that Internet going.

[Memphis Bleek]

And he wouldn't take no for an. So his sure endurance and perseverance to grind and make people believe, like forever etched in stone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, you're right. You know, college dropout. Here's some of his greatest stuff. But a lot of people say, man, it changed when his mother passed, because that was the one. That was the woman that he truly, truly loved. She was probably one of the few people that could talk to Kanye and keep him on the.

[Memphis Bleek]

Do you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you think. Did you notice a change? I don't know if you've been around him since.

[Memphis Bleek]

I never, like, it's so crazy. I knew Kanye, and I never met his mom. God bless her soul. I never met his mom, you know, So I really don't like speaking about that. But people mourn in different ways, you know, like, death hits people. No one can mourn the same way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Memphis Bleek]

So maybe this is his mourning. You know what I mean? We don't know. You gotta let him find his face.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let him figure it out.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, man, but, you know, it's a lot for that man, man. You playing like you got kids involved, your mother, the industry, your money, your business. It's a lot, man. They put a lot of pressure on him and expect that you don't break, right? Like, pressure, bust pipes, man. Like, at some point, every man got a breaking point.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He does.

[Memphis Bleek]

And I think he hit his man. And it's sad to see. Cause like I said, I don't like to see none of my brothers spiraling or in the news, any type of controversy. But sometimes you just have to sit back with a clear mind and just try to understand what that man can be going through.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. You know, you also got an opportunity to work with Rihanna early in her career.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. And I had no clue who she was. I was pissed off. I didn't even want the hook. I remember I came in the studio, Jay, like, I got this beat for you. It got a hook on it already. And I'm like, who is this girl? Ah. I don't want this record. You bugging it, Jay. Like. And this record is fire. You don't like it? I'm like, I don't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You turned it.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah. And then they brought Rihanna in the room, and I'm like, put that beat back up. Let's go. I got this one, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I guess you didn't know she was gonna become a billion.

[Memphis Bleek]

Nah, she was. Come on. Rihanna was one of the most beautiful women you could lay your eyes on. So I knew once she get her face on camera, she get the song she need. It's all she Grover. Yeah, that's it. Like, that's another anomaly, man. Rihanna, like, she's the. Like, she came in and dominated the game, man. Like, no Foreigner I could say came to America and really dominated like, Rihanna did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But if you think about it, music, she's. You know, she started. Had a music background, but people don't really look at Rihanna for music now. No, she got perfume and she got. Yeah, bro, she chilling.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes. She damn near put Victoria's secrets on notice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Memphis Bleek]

They better watch out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you remember when HOV got sued by the wrestler for doing the.

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, the diamond thing? Yeah, yeah, I remember that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's not his thing.

[Memphis Bleek]

I don't know. Why would you think you made this up?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's Delta Sigma Theta.

[Memphis Bleek]

I would have thought they would have tried to sue us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Memphis Bleek]

But they were stepping with us, so I got major love for them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question. I mean, I think the first time I've ever heard beef. I don't know if it was beef, but a dis was when LL and Cool Modi.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yeah, Cool Modi.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was really the first time. And, you know, obviously Cool Modi got into it, I think. With cannabis, you mean?

[Memphis Bleek]

LL got to do it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

LL got it got into him with cannabis. HOV and Nas went back and forth. When was the first time that you noticed, like, the deep. How old were you when you found out, like, dissing was, like, a thing?

[Memphis Bleek]

Oh, man. Young.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, you know what? Like, say, like, we going bar for bar. We go. You know, we ciphering. Okay, cool.

[Memphis Bleek]

But rap started out as battling, okay? Like, in the back park, when the DJ played the music, two MCs grabbed the mic, one showcasing that he better than the other. So it started out like that. So that's when. If you get into hip hop in any fashion, any form, you know, it's a competitive sport, like, number one. It's like trying to be friends in basketball, football. After the game, we could. But when we get on them lines, it's war.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm trying to knock your block off.

[Memphis Bleek]

You know what I'm saying? And that's what it is in rap. So I just feel like they took the battle and now it's in court. Beef is in court now. Rapping like it's insane that you. A man went in the house, wrote a rhyme, picked a beat, and now he's going to court for that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow. And look. And there have been some great. Obviously Nas and Hov going back and forth. You got. You got Tupac and Biggie.

[Memphis Bleek]

Yes, he's great. Legendary. You got Ice Cube and NWA Cormega. I mean, I said Cormega. I mean, what's my man from Chicago? He gonna kill me now, man. He's gonna kill me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause, you know, when NWA broke up and Cube left and did his thing, and he came back with no Vaseline.

[Memphis Bleek]

And he had major beef with them. And no Vaseline. One of the greatest diss records in history.

[Shannon Sharpe]

One of the greatest. I mean, a lot of people, people keep moving it down because it seemed like people don't think if it didn't happen today, it wasn't important. No, you know, no Vaseline in Ether and all this, you gotta respect. Tupac hit him up.

[Memphis Bleek]

That was a heartbreaking record. I ain't like it. I ain't like it. I was from Brooklyn. I like it, but I ain't like it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Memphis Bleek]

Common sense. Thank you, my brother. Yeah. When Ice Cue and Common got into it, that was a good lyrical battle. Cause Common is super nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Memphis Bleek]

One of the nicest off the top lyrics, man. Nobody messing with Common, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two is also posted and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listened to part one on. Just simply go back to Club Shay Shay profile and I'll see you there.

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