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E (3:39)

Hello. Welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay. I am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the proprietor of Club Shay. Stopping by for conversation and a drink today is an NFL icon. He's a Cowboys legend, one of the greatest receivers of all time. He's tied for the most 100 yard receiving games in the season. He's a three time Super bowl champ, three time All Pro, five time Pro Bowler, Pro Football hall of Fame. He once led the NFL in receiving yards in a single season. He's an all decade member of the 1990s. He played his entire career with one team, America's team. A national champion with the Canes. He's one of Florida's. He was on the Florida's all century team. University of Miami Sports hall of Famer. Texas Sports hall of Famer. He was inducted into the Cowboys ring of honor. Fearless competitor, clutch performer and a vocal leader. Sports analyst, broadcaster, seasoned commentator. He's a father, a husband, a brother, a son and a great, great friend. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen.

A (4:32)

Playmate, that's your hell of an intro. Oh my God. Dirt Cunningham. Did I do you right? Did I do you right? You don't even. Golly, that's all you.

E (4:43)

That's all you right.

A (4:44)

Always wanted to hear intro like that, man. But that really means you getting old. That's what that really means. You start getting all them line. All them line. Well, guess what?

E (4:55)

You get to hear it.

A (4:56)

You get to hear it.

E (4:57)

Cause you know normally when they give you one like that, you don't know nothing about it.

A (5:01)

When you give you. They give you that one set of flowers. Here's what you need to hear. Here's what's on top of your grave at the same time and you gone. So you right, I get to hear it while I'm in time and I'm not in bed, man, you know.

E (5:13)

You know, I got my own cognac. I don't know if you partake, but it's early today. It's about, it's about six o', clock, man.

A (5:19)

It's good time. It's good time. This is my time, you know what I mean? Hey, and we don't put in anywhere, Shan. Yeah, we can stop early if we want and do a cognac. We can do that right there. That's rich. That's like. That ain't nothing made on. On the hood or nothing. That real stuff. That. Yeah, that the real stuff. M. You look. Come on. That real stuff. We go back 30. That's that real stuff. That's all right, man. Yeah. How's that doing? How's the business doing?

E (5:51)

Doing really well. We do it really well. We coming to Dallas, man.

A (5:53)

That's great, man. That is great right there, buddy.

E (5:56)

I appreciate that, man. How you been, Mike?

A (5:58)

I'm doing great, Shannon. I am absolutely doing fabulous. I really am, man.

E (6:03)

I mean, you know, I saw you at the hall, what, about almost a month ago, a little about three weeks ago, we there at the hall, and you know how we do? We get together in our little group. And me and you, we back at the back of the bus, we laughing and talking. I had to do a little bit more serious this. Cause I was with my brother. Had to be a little bit more serious.

A (6:17)

But normally, you and I, we always cutting up. And I told you, man, I had so much fun. And I'm not gonna lie, man, this year. Because I've been through things, you know what I mean? And you know, I reach out, I tell you I love you and stuff like that, when you're going through it. And I was watching it. Cause how we see the hall, right? I'm still getting. That's our brotherhood.

E (6:39)

Yes.

A (6:39)

And I know you felt everybody was trying to get around. Yeah, man, you're right. They in here, we ain't thinking about that.

E (6:46)

Correct.

A (6:47)

And here is us. And just to see that whole night, that whole week, you know, we laughing, messing with each other everywhere, messing around. And then to see Shannon, to see you up there with your brother. Cause I know what it means, your brother. And I don't know if people know the relationship I have with Sterling. It was me, him, Tim, coming in together, always talking, competing together. You know, I knew, I gotta worry about that joker. I gotta worry about that joker. Let me tell you how they got me. I promise you, when I was here, when it come before I came here, Gil Brandt came to Miami, and I was playing basketball. I set a workout at a certain time. I did my workout for all the scouts. I'm shooting basketball. Gil Brandt comes late on purpose, and he said, I wanted to see what kind of competitor you are he came in, he comes in the gym and they said, gil, Brent Gilbrandt's from the Cowboys. I said, my workout's done. My workout's done.

E (7:45)

You're done with it.

A (7:45)

I said, I already did the workout. The Joker came and Gil, he said, oh, he just wanted to talk to you. Then he came and talked to me. He said, yeah. He said, yeah, everything's going good. He said, but you know, we're going to take a receiver. I understand we missed the workout. I can get it on tape. But I just left Sterling and boy did he look good. I said, let's go work out. I said, let's go work out, mom. Let's go get the workout in. That's how they true story. That's how they told me. I said, let's go get the workout in. I went out and put that workout in. That's how we battle, man. That's what bring you that close, man. So you know, yeah, that was funny man, but I love seeing it. And they saw you back on that top right up there, brother. I'm telling you.

E (8:30)

Appreciate that.

A (8:30)

That did my heart so well. Appreciate that. Of course I was laughing with you the whole week so seeing you but.

E (8:37)

But a serious face on in front of the camera.

A (8:39)

We have fun. We have fun.

E (8:40)

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A (10:43)

Basketball was my first love. Basketball was my first love. I. But, but straight with you and honest with you, I don't like. I played. Played with some top guys and played well with guys. Football just had a different confidence on the court, you know what I mean? And I was like, man, you know, and I'm not a one or a two, you know, I'm a rough guy. So I can rough these jokers in high school and maybe even college, right? But at 6:2 or 6:3, you ain't gonna be roughing them jokers at the other level, you know what I mean? And so I used to be out there, Mitch Richmond, who's my best friend growing up, right? Mitch Richmond and I, that's who I played with all. We used to play high school and go around beating everybody all the time. You know, Mitch went. He's a Hall of Famer. Yes. So Mitch and I, we grew up together. About two weeks before we got drafted, we were all in Miami. You know, Mitch is about to be a top five pick, top 10 pick. I'm about to be a top 10, 11 pick in the draft. And. And we're eating at Denny's somewhere right across the street from the University of Miami. And I don't know, somehow we ain't got. We didn't nobody have any money. Nobody has any money. Damn, man, we done ate all this damn food. They called the police, and we were like, oh, my God, man. What do you mean? How you mean, I got no money? Police come, man, they about ready to take us to jail. Cause we ain't got no money. And we like, listen, we're getting drafted in a couple weeks, man.

E (12:10)

We'll come back and pay.

A (12:11)

The cops took care. They paid it and let us make it. They paid it. They said, boy, y' all got a. How y'. All. I said, I swear, I don't know how we mess this up. But Mitch and I was so tight, man. And I always thought if Mitch made it, I could have made it. Yes, but Mitch was a shooting guard. Mitch could shoot that thing, and. And. And I could shoot, but I couldn't handle the ball like that. So football, for me was. Was my way. Who.

E (12:34)

I've always said, my brother tells the story. Like. Like, when you come from rural South Georgia, there's really no one to look to that. If you want to be, let's just say, a doctor. We didn't know any doctor. If you wanted to be a lawyer, we really didn't know any lawyers. But if you wanted to be a professional athlete, who would we go. It's not like it is now, where guys are accessible. You have the Internet, or you could go to a game and you can meet these guys somewhere. There was no one like that for you and I to look up to and say, you know what? That's what I want to be like. Except on television. But we didn't have access where we could physically touch or talk to that individual.

A (13:06)

Our gain came from. I don't want to be him. Yes, I want to be like him. It's like, I'm not going to be him. That's how we fought. And. And honestly, because of where we come from. You know, it's so funny you bring this up. Because of where we come from, you sit and be like, man, you know, darn. And you tell somebody, I'm gonna make it to the league, Boy, who, you know made it to the league.

E (13:29)

That's exactly.

A (13:31)

They always say that, like, why I gotta know somebody to want to go do something? That's the first thing they say.

E (13:37)

Because you know what, Mike? When we were growing up, if you got a job, somebody helped you get that job, right? If you got a job at the Porche, you had to know somebody that worked at the Porche or. Or the Order fruitcake.

A (13:47)

Well, you. You knew somebody. So now who you know. Cause that's the way you gonna get hit. That's exactly how they. At who you know, that you play. So. So I don't know nobody. Right, right, right. But I'm going, and I got. You better have a backup plan. Yeah, I'mma have a backup plan. Y' all gonna back up when I get my money. That's what y' all Gonna do back up when I get my money. They ain't gonna back up. They never will back up. But you know what I mean, right? But it's it. And, and that I, I started studying that too. That's funny bringing up. Because I was studying for my kids. My kid, my kid was in the music and he would be beating on things, you know, all the time around the house, and he's rapping out on the Tarantino. And I started studying it because like you said, no, no, no. Saying no to him. You shouldn't say no. Like they say that you. He, he may be walking out his talent or working out his talent. So I have to say to him, elijah, everybody's not ready to hear it at this time, right? But I don't want to say no, no, no. And they surmise that African Americans hear the word no, no, no, no so many more times than any other group. Like even if you say, mom, I think I'm going to quit my manager job and go back to school. Boy, you better not do that.

E (15:00)

Boy, quit that good job.

A (15:01)

Well, you got a good job. Quit that good job. But I'm going back to school. I'm going to get better. You know, any other culture, that's a great idea. We'll help you, you get rid of that apartment, move back in the house while you're doing it so you can say, you know what I mean? So I wanted to get out of that. No, no, no. And really, really learn. But most I tell my people, look, when you have a great calling, a great calling, something deep down inside of you, the next thing you'll have to show is courage. Because once you share that calling, everybody else going to say, boy, who you know, you know what I'm saying? So you gotta talk you out of it, right? And sometimes out of love, it's not even negative. They love you, right? And they're doing it out of love. But they didn't feel the call. So you just gotta go with that call and have the courage to overstep what they're saying.

E (15:52)

But understand, you remember that 1992, I think it was Foot Locker that put on the slam dunk contest. I think it was you, Griffey, Bonds.

A (15:59)

Also that there T. Godly. Yeah, Ty, all of us. Boy, that was great. I don't know why they want, why they stopped doing that.

E (16:07)

They stopped doing the NFL fastest man.

A (16:09)

The way you can bring back the NBA dunk contest is making NFL players. Boy, I guarantee you, you let NFL players like you, you let a Jew Miles Garrett, get in that thing. And dude, I'm going to tell you something that made me retight when I started seeing this kind of athleticism. We were playing a basketball game against Washington. They had just drafted lavar Arrington. Boy, right. A reunion arena. I'm shooting back. We been winning. LaMar gets that. LaVar gets that ball. And from the free throw line, I was like, Damn, this is 250, £60 flight. I said, boy, it's time for you tight.

E (16:58)

But Mike, they don't remember. They used to. The teams used to put together basketball teams in the off season and they would travel around. The Broncos would play the Raiders, the Raiders would play the Cowboys. The Cowboys would play the hoops.

A (17:10)

I ran the hoops. Yeah, yeah.

E (17:13)

It was about eight or nine. And you know, at the. They would see who had the best toys.

A (17:17)

Hey, we played it. We mess around, we play around. And then we gonna mess around. Playing around again after the game. You see what I say? We mess around in the game and then we play around. You're serious at the end, trying to win.

E (17:29)

Exactly.

A (17:30)

And then after the game, it was a bull attack. And when we had. I don't know, we talked a lot about this in the documentary. I don't know if we even brought it up, but we would. Oh, my God, man. Around here. And we were winning Super Bowl. So we're going to the McAllen, the Brownville and all of them. And boy, they were. Hey, boy, we. I ran it. So I would get the whole fl. Right. I made him rent out the whole floor. I didn't want anybody on our floor because that may be. Yeah, we just need to keep it in the family, you know what I'm saying? So they gave me the whole floor. And we had some great times. We would win games because we played the fighting department.

E (18:11)

That's exactly right.

A (18:11)

Right. It's all charity. And you sit around sign, and then you go to the spot is your spot. Man, those were great times. They don't do that stuff now. They don't do that stuff. But back then it was football. Teams were more.

E (18:24)

You know, we did all that.

A (18:25)

We did all that.

E (18:26)

We went bowling. And I tell people this all the time. I say, I don't know how close teams are. Cause I've been retired for two decades. You've been retired two plus decades. But we went bowling, we went to movies, we did things together. We went fishing. We did things together. I mean, we rolling dice. We going over each other's house rolling dice. We rolling dice. I mean, we might not get home. Practice might end at 3 o'.

A (18:46)

Clock.

E (18:47)

We got meetings. Guys weren't getting home till 7 o'.

A (18:49)

Clock. Right, right.

E (18:50)

Man, I remember Steve Atwater told the store, said, man, y' all gonna get me divorced.

A (18:53)

I'm gonna be right.

E (18:54)

I'm just rolling dice with two guys.

A (18:55)

I throw the fit on. I got a wife with two guys. Right, right. But you know what? You know the importance of it. And I try to tell people this. That's why here in Dallas, they were not going to the hotel the nights before games. I said, what are we doing here? You know? And you win championships by making a commitment, man to man, right? One man to the other. So I was sharing with Miami. I will get my job done. Now the coach's job is to create moments so you can make them damn commitments to each other.

E (19:24)

Yes.

A (19:25)

And the team, that's what we're doing. We're creating moments so we can make that commitment. I used to be. We'll be in week three and I'm eating dinner with Eric Williams and we're eating after we. We're all together. I'm like, big fell, week eight. You got Ridge White coming in here. I got him, I got him. I'm just letting you know, Reggie White coming in here. You know, Week four, we doing it again, big fella. That was a good win. But we got Reggie White coming.

E (19:54)

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A (19:55)

I said, okay, he gonna be ready. He ready, he ready, he ready, he ready. Bring it up. It's just ways you're trying to. You get that commitment made, one man to another, and get the job done.

E (20:06)

Who do you think? What state have produced the best athletes? Georgia, Florida, Texas, California.

A (20:12)

Oh, boy, I love this battle. Cause, you know, here, closer look, it.

E (20:18)

Ain'T about a handful of states. That's in Texas, Georgia, California and Florida. That's. Look, Louisiana, Ohio. I'm sorry, but it's really a 4H race.

A (20:27)

Race. They don't want to jump in now, but it is a four horse race. I'm with you on that. And y' all know where I'm planning my flag now, now, now, they got some athletes here. They got some athletes here, man. But it's usually, usually the greater the pain, the greater the gain. Yes. And when we got great athletes in all of those places. But out of all of those places, the greatest pain is coming from Florida. And I said, those boys in Florida got the greatest cane. But yeah, man, we used to joke about that around here, man. Like, think about it. When we were rolling it's like, hey, we had the top three dudes from Florida. Deion, Emmett, and me. Florida, Florida, State of Miami. So we were like, we used to be arguing with the dudes from Texas. Joker, y' all wouldn't be winning this if we wasn't here. So shut up. Just shut up right now and enjoy. Enjoy this ride. We used to do that all the time around here.

E (21:29)

All right, I'm asking you this. Give me your Mount Rushmore for Florida players.

A (21:35)

You know, yeah, somebody go get left off.

E (21:40)

I'm gonna throw some names out. You got time. You got Ray Lewis, you got Sam Dion's one.

A (21:46)

Emmett Dion's one.

E (21:47)

Lamar Jackson, D. Henry, Brian Jenko, Antonio.

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A (25:03)

Dude. Dude. And, and, and, and some that even got cut short if Jerome Brown. If Jerome Brown didn't career get cut short. Life got cut short. He would be right. It'd be Deon Jerome Brown. You know what I'm saying?

E (25:20)

People don't really know how good J. Boogie was, man.

A (25:22)

What man? Axe was my receiver coach. He was the one that recruited Jerome Brown. He would always tell us stories. He said, man, listen, I went to recruit Jerome Brown. His dad was over there in Brookville, up under a car, working on the car. He came on out, shook my hand and he said, then the car fell off the rock. And he was like, he said he was waiting on him to put a jack back under there and start jacking it up. He opened the door and said, what? Called the wife's neighbor, said, tell JB to get on down here. And JB came on down. What's up? The car fell. He said, JB didn't move. Lift the car up. They put the brakes back on. Coach said, please sign this scholarship. Please sign this scholarship. Please sign the scholarship. We ain't gonna see no more. He said, sign this college. JB was a bad boy, but I would have to go Dion and dude Ray Lewis. I would have to put Ray in there. I don't see myself physically gifted enough to even throw myself on a Mount Rushmore out of Florida. You know what I mean? Not physically gifted. Now I put my ironware, I put my hardware up against anybody.

E (26:34)

What about the you. But what if we put the you players, Mike Rushmore.

A (26:37)

Yeah, and that too, you know. Cause we always arguing about this. We always arguing about this now. We always argue now. Mean Ray, Ed Reed, Warren Sapp, and all the people that ain't them always want to throw in Sean Taylor and all. I say y' all stop. Y' all stop. Because all of them boys are bad and they deserve their rights. But I'm the only one on offense right now. Hey, if it was a quarterback, you had a shot at getting ahead of me. But it ain't no quarterback in here, so. It is I. You can stop that right now. It is I. Yeah, we have that debate all the time, man, what made.

E (27:17)

You wear 47, man?

A (27:20)

They give those numbers at Miami, remember? Eddie brown wore number 40. Stanley Shakespeare wore six. My boy Brett was 33. I wolf, I didn't want 47. I went to Jimmy on this, man. I had a long talk. Jimmy, I said, coach, man, listen, can I just change to seven as wide receiver number seven. I'm gonna give you some touchdowns, seven points when you seven. He said, michael, I'm just a freshman. He said, michael. And what I see when I see you with that 47 on in practice and you be catching them ball, you look like a big seven, 47, catching that thing. About to land in the end zone with a perfect landing. I was like, yeah, is that what you say? Right? I swear. I was like, yeah, for all of a sudden, that 47. Look, Chris, again, hey, I'm trying to get a job. If the head coach seemed like the 747. I said, yeah. I was like, okay, man. Few years later, we get here and we were having a drink. After we did something, I was with coach. He said, michael, I can't believe you bought that story.

E (28:29)

I said, what story, coach?

A (28:30)

That 47 story. I tell you, dirty dog, you.

E (28:37)

And plus, y' all was in the down stance. You look like y' all was in the down stance.

A (28:41)

Yeah.

E (28:41)

Y' all didn't stand up wide and split out. Y' all was in the down stance.

A (28:44)

I was. I was just back at Miami the other day, and we were talking about that dude, Mike Rumpham coming up to me. Cause we always argue about who's the best. The 101 team.

E (28:55)

Yeah.

A (28:55)

Or the 87 team for the 91 championship.

E (28:58)

Team.

A (28:58)

The 91 championship. All the championship team. And he was like, boy, you couldn't have got me in no three point stand. I said, dog, it's impossible to jam a receiver coming about that three point stand. It's impossible. It's impossible. So, yeah, I don't know why receivers do it today. I don't know why they stand up. So, like, dude, if you had. If they had. Well, there's just no way. You would have to get down. You gotta get down and get back. Cause there's cornerbacks. Look at the cornerbacks. I had to go through Deion Sanders, Darrell Green, Rod Woodson, Champ Bailey, Aeneas. Aeneas Williams. And now the other guy just got in, Eric Allen. All of those guys went everywhere I went on the football field. And when they tucked me in at night and handed me the toilet paper when I was done and needed the wipe, they went everywhere with you. So I always say I went through gold jackets to get to my gold rings. And it was a different time back then. The cornerbacks was real.

E (29:59)

Why did you tell the packers not to draft you? Cause they had the seventh pick. They ended up taking my brother.

A (30:05)

I saw him telling the story that they were gonna draft me. He's right. They were. They me because I was a junior, right. Like, I was graduating early.

E (30:13)

Right?

A (30:13)

Right. I. Back when you were coming out, back then, you had to graduate to go to school, go to draft early and. But it gave me control over the draft. So if somebody calls me and. And I didn't want to go, I can decline. I'm going back to school, and that's what I want. I just wanted control.

E (30:31)

Right.

A (30:31)

I wanted my. I was directed towards, you know, somewhere on the west coast in New York. I really just wanted to be in Dallas, you know, it's always wanted to be in Dallas. So I was trying to work my way. I had saw Bernie Kozar work his way to Cleveland.

E (30:47)

Yeah.

A (30:47)

Remember Southmore? It was the supplemental draft, so I was just trying to. Yeah. So when they called, I'm sitting there, we ain't got a dime. It's the seventh pick.

E (31:00)

It's 17. You got 17 brothers, right?

A (31:02)

And they all looking like, are we rich yet? Are we rich yet? Like, no, not yet. Not yet.

E (31:09)

Not yet. Not yet.

A (31:10)

Right? Like, stop. Back up, back up. Right? So, yeah, that thing was funny, man. But then I started thinking, whoo, hoo hoo, hoo, hoo hoo. You know, the weather wise. I'm coming from Florida, going to Green Bay, and not just weather and temperature, weather.

E (31:29)

Then you got Chicago.

A (31:30)

That's outside. All that. All that out there, just dudes. No. And Nora Turner, who was with the Rams at the time, had spent that draft with me. The Rams were gonna draft me at 14. Noah was there with me.

E (31:46)

They took Aaron Cox Yeah.

A (31:48)

Because the Cowboys took me at 11.

E (31:49)

Yeah.

A (31:50)

And Norah was so disappointed. And Nora went back. And then it was so funny after, you know, a couple years here, Dave Shuler, the office coordinator we had here, he was like, we should trade Michael. And Jimmy was. You know, they were talking about trading me because I come up coming off of that knee surgery, and Jimmy came to me, he said, listen, the guy pulling the trigger don't think you can do it anymore. And he said, I've had way more success with you than I've had with him. I'm gonna let him go and get you an offensive coordinator, get this thing going. And that's when they brought in.

E (32:29)

They brought in north because Norv was at. Ernie Zampisi.

A (32:33)

Ernie Zampisi.

E (32:34)

So everything we thought I was gonna.

A (32:35)

Be with here in Ella. I thought I would be. And let me tell you how north got me, dawg. We came here. It was March, right? As soon as they signed March. I'm coming off the acl, right. You know, so my head is like, okay, can I play again? I'm going through this, dude. I ain't never been through anything like I went through with acl that took me through something. I don't know if I can play. He take us out in March. He said, let's go. I want you to see you run this bang eight. I said, what's a bang eight? He said, four steps. Hit that one leg. I'm going to put it on you right there. I said, okay, let's go on it. You know, we'll go out. We ran the first two routes. He said, well, I don't know what they told me. That's plenty of speed for me. Make sure you catch that bang ain't. Is it going to be at safe going. Let's get it post? I mean, then he started putting the game plan together, man. Noah was our blessing for all of us. He put in it in the right way, right place to win. He put Troy in the right place to win, and that just made it great. And it was so funny that he spent. He was with me on the draft. They tried to get me before.

E (33:35)

Right.

A (33:36)

So it all worked out.

E (33:37)

It definitely worked out. I hear you talking about in the America. What is it? America's Team. America's Team. The Gambler and the Cowboys.

A (33:46)

Gambler and the Cowboys.

E (33:47)

You talked about how difficult that first super bowl was. All the ones that was the toughest to win.

A (33:53)

Yeah.

E (33:54)

Why was that one so tough?

A (33:56)

And it was the most gratifying, too.

E (33:58)

Yes.

A (33:59)

Because it's right up against all the hard work. It's right up against the three and 13 my first year, the one in 15 my second year. And it's the turn. I'm coming from Miami and I know what it takes to win. And I'm seeing you're not used to losing, right? And I'm not. And I'm like, dang, what's going on, man? And I got here, I thought, this is it. It's the best right here. You know what I mean? But then you get in the league, you find out some of these jokers about money. It ain't about being the best. And I was like, dude, I couldn't take that, like right now. I was talking about Emmett because I talked with him today and I was like, man, Jerry knew I couldn't hold out. I couldn't hold out. As long as I have held out or stayed away was the wins before the first game on me. I gotta go play, you know, I gotta go play, you know, it's just.

E (34:56)

But they know that too, though.

A (34:57)

Yeah, they know that. No doubt. He used it. He used that against you. Use it against me? He used it against me. He behaved against me. Don't even worry about it. Don't even worry about it. Right, right, right, right. But I wasn't planning on going nowhere either, because remember now, I had my plan from the jump street that I was. I knew I'm gonna have some back. Some back end. I was making sure my back end gonna be good. I'm go right here. You know what I'm saying? And that's what you got to consider that Michael has to consider that. You know, Michael, you get opportunity right now. You're going to get the highest pay guarantee. All of those things. Everybody said, well, don't. Are you going to risk a million dollars here, $2 million a year here, and you got another $100 million podcast that's only going to be $100 million podcast if you were the Cowboys, right? It's not $100 million podcast if you with somebody else. True. So the whole gathering. Micah has to see you a whole. You ain't no businessman. You're a whole business man. And make sure all of your entities up under that umbrella coverage is going to be taken care of. And that podcast has to have a star on it that you mentioned that.

E (36:08)

Have you talked to Micah about that? Like one like Micah? What can't. What can't you. With 41, 42, 43 million that you could only do with 46 million?

A (36:19)

Yeah. But that's, that's, that's logic. And that, that's our world. That's our world. Their world is not the world of logic like that. It's, it's, it's. It's social media. It's, it's, it's the world gonna know I'm. I'm only making 41 and he making 43. And I'm not saying Micah like this, but this is, this is their generation. This is why when we're disappointed, we're gonna screw up and all of them do it. Everyone in this generation with this point routine, we take everything.

E (36:50)

Everything.

A (36:50)

With cowboys, cowboy related, it's like a.

E (36:53)

Breakup with your girlfriend. You take everything. All the pictures that you got go back by five years, you going back and raising everything.

A (36:59)

Where'd that come from? You know, I don't know where to start from. Like, hey, I ain't taking all my money off shit. Do you understand? I ain't taking all my money off neck. That's what I'm telling y'. All. So, you know, I don't know where you get that from. So that's what's the difference. Like, you and me, it ain't gonna matter, right? And a lot of people won't even see it. It'll just be somewhere in the office or sometimes somebody said, bring it up. But it won't be. Every day you got to hear everybody's opinion that you took a million dollars less. Did you see what's going on with Roger Jackson? Roger Jackson, I saw him the other night after he did that ring. I'm tired of everybody messing with me. I'm tired of him calling him. What are you. Who you mad at? These are the people you're inviting. You streaming? You.

E (37:41)

Yes.

A (37:41)

You stream. What are you doing? You're streaming. You begging these people to come in, and then you don't like what they say and you want to go break another dude's face. Cause that's this. That's what that is.

E (37:56)

Have you ever thought about, Mike, what it would have been like to play? You're a playmaker. You playing for the Cowboys at his apex, and there's this thing called social media.

A (38:06)

Yeah.

E (38:07)

Have you ever thought about that for just a second?

A (38:09)

Yeah. Yeah, I did. I was telling somebody this story, man. I did the EA Sports. When they first brought in the legends of EA Sports, I did the appearance and I was speaking at an EA Sports conference, and we were talking about social media and all that. I said, listen, I told him I was scared. I said, I Would be scared to live in today's and playing today's time. I couldn't make it. I couldn't make it when it was news at 11, let alone talk about Twitter. Every second gets my butts.

E (38:42)

They only had the 6 and 11 o' clock news.

A (38:46)

That he left. God damn. Well, I ain't got no chance. I ain't got no chance. Zero. So I'm like, hey, man, with all.

E (38:52)

These camera phones, with the camera phone.

A (38:54)

I gotta stay playing, boy. I gotta stay playing. Keep me playing. I'm telling you, keep me playing. And I ain't playing. And you know what, Shannon? I know that. I know what's real. You know what I mean? I know what's real. I know what's good for me now. I know what's not good for me now. Keep me busy is good, right?

E (39:16)

The report is that you talked to Travis Kelce, you had a conversation with Travis Kelce because he was trying to do something that you guys were trying to do, which is three peat. Nobody's ever done the three peat. And I believe, and I'm. We're gonna talk about this after you ask this question about you believe that you guys, if you'd have kept Jimmy, you believe you would three peated you believe you. But what did you. What info. What did you tell Kelsey? How to approach the season, going to the three peat once they make it through the gauntlet to get through the season, get to the, get through the playoffs and get to the Super Bowl. What did you, what did you share with him, man?

A (39:46)

First thing I said, man, was. Cause then he asked, first thing you go through is the disappointment of not getting it done. And that's what I was talking to my guys at Miami about even yesterday. Like, dude, I don't know how other people, how are they going to have peace at the end of it all? I mean, I've won championships just about all levels everywhere and I still.

E (40:16)

It's the ones that you don't win that eat you. It's not the ones that you win.

A (40:21)

I should have gone up at that ball. I should have jumped up and Deion, it would have definitely clarified the pass interference. But I'm thinking it's gonna drop right down and if I can just drop it, if I wait, it'll drop right by him. And it dropped, bound, and I'm gonna stretch the thing out and I'm gonna get that game winner. I wanted to be the hero. All I had to do was get the ball. And now we're down four and I Cannot let that go. I can't let it go. So you know, man. Yeah, man. That's just the ones that get away. It's something that you deal with and live with all the time.

E (40:58)

But does the three peat change how people look at Michael Irvin?

A (41:03)

Well.

E (41:04)

Or how we see the Cowboys, How.

A (41:05)

Michael Irvin would have looked at Mike. And let me tell you that. Think about it now. Now when you go and get what Kansas City has done. Yes. It makes it more important. I regret it more that I didn't get it when Kansas City or when New England had that run.

E (41:24)

Right.

A (41:25)

You see now, because you want to be the first, you'll be the first. I was worried about y'.

D (41:28)

All.

E (41:29)

Well, we didn't have no chance. John retired.

A (41:32)

Right, right, right, right. TT got hurt. John ain't wanna retire. I said, get your old butt out of there. Stop messing around. He ain't want. I had to worry about y' all right after that. Yeah. That thing rolled off like, darn. Man. I don't care what they say. I want everybody to have great, do great. But I just want to leave me a little mark up there somewhere. You leave me somewhere up there. Leave something that they can remember me by. Emmett. Emmett. Like Emmett, he's all time leading rush. Nobody's going to get that record. No.

E (41:58)

I'm run the ball like that.

A (41:59)

Nobody gets that record in case somebody stay healthy. Right? Right. Nobody will get that record. I just want something to leave up there for me. Right.

E (42:06)

Have the Chiefs taken over America's team? Because you see what happened yesterday.

A (42:10)

Kelsey and Taylor, they get mad.

E (42:12)

They the new America team. They done took over from y'. All. Mike.

A (42:15)

I ain't gonna go that far.

E (42:17)

I'm going that far.

A (42:17)

I won't. Cause she's America.

E (42:19)

She's America's dog.

A (42:20)

She's America's sweetheart. They're America's team, but they are. Those two is America's dream couple. I'll give her that. Those two right there. America's dream. And I'm gonna tell you and say, listen, I've said this openly. Travis Kelce, I love him more than anybody in the National Football League.

E (42:39)

He's a major.

A (42:39)

That's my dude. That's my dude.

E (42:41)

He is genuine. He real.

A (42:42)

He's my dude, man. And let me tell you why. This my dude. You know, we were at one of his Pro Bowls. I was coaching the Pro bowl, you know, and he. That was one of his early Pro Bowls. And he was coming. He said, man, you gotta draft me, Mike. You gotta draft him. Don't leave him out there cause he's worried. Younger guy, he said, you keep me butt up, man, they gonna let you down. I said, come on, young buck. You're a young buck now. You know, buy your time, buy your time. You know, you gotta draft. Don't be leaving me out here. And I did draft him. I did draft, but he was so good. And my son played tight end. My son plays tight end. But he was, man, he was so good with my son and he didn't have to be, you know. And he really took care of him. I was like, now that's a different dude. I just appreciate him. And ever since then we've been so close. But I was telling the man, listen, don't let this get by you because you agree no matter what you do, you're going to think about it all your life. And they gonna think about it. Cause they got thumped, they got thumped, they got thumped.

E (43:36)

Cause it wasn't even close.

A (43:37)

They were not even close. And they gonna think about it. But yeah, yeah, man, he was. And I love that. Think about it. He just won back to back. That's what we were talking about before.

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A (46:54)

That's the kind of guy you know no matter what he do, he gonna win. Yeah, he's going to win. And certainly now that he got, you got to take. He won. The fight's over. The fight is over.

E (47:05)

Call it a career.

A (47:06)

Call it a career.

E (47:08)

When you got that, when you got that signing bonus, what was the first thing you did? That cowboy?

A (47:14)

That first one? Yeah. Boom. I just came from Brokeville, Florida. Brokeville, Florida, not Brooksville. I'm from Fort Lauderdale, but Brokeville, where everybody was broke, you know, Dude, I was young too, man. I was crazy, man. I didn't know anything. I first I bought me a house too. I was so crazy, a lot of houses. But I remember my first house I bought, right? They were showing me all these houses, big house, this house. I said, that one over there, what's that one over there? They said, well, okay, let's go look at it. And I bought that house because it had fully had the pool and everything, but it had a 8ft gate. Yeah. All I knew is I don't Want anybody to see me in the pool with what I'm doing. That was the parameter that I need to buy my first house. You see what I'm saying?

E (48:10)

You already know you're gonna be coming, right?

A (48:11)

Right, right. So I know I'm coming in. And then let me tell you what I did with that first check. Let me get the card. Go ahead, give me one of the card. That my check right there. Y', all, that check, that million dollar check, I left that right there on the table right in my room. So soon as they walked in, they said, that's your check. I said, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had my financial people calling me to my man, send that check. Michael, we're losing, we're losing. I said, shoot, I'm winning. What you talking about? I'm winning like a mug. Why? I said, what, y' all tripping? Hey, it was. But. But it's real. It was real. It was just real.

E (49:01)

Coming in, as you mentioned, coming from a large, large family like yours, even though you got a million dollars, man, when you try to break off brothers and sisters, Mike, ain't a whole lot left, you know, you gotta take care of mom and dad, right? I think your father passed, right, Right before you got drafted, right? You gotta take care of mom, you gotta take care of brothers and sisters, Mike. That ain't a whole lot left over.

A (49:24)

Yeah, yeah, but back then that was a lot of money.

E (49:27)

A lot of money.

A (49:28)

Woo. Wait a minute now.

E (49:30)

Cause you give somebody 2,500. About the 2500.

A (49:33)

Five thousand, man. I'm coming. We coming off this. This ain't coming from where they come. These dudes now these kids, now they got nil dudes. I was getting $20 a weekend and mom took the first 15. You joking? Left me with five dudes coming from $5 a weekend to getting them. I left that check right there. I was gonna get every bit of that check. So yeah. Now here's the kicker to all of us that we have to get to and people have to understand. Making money is one thing. How you let it go is keeping as hard as important. You know, so. Especially us too. Especially us. Because we know there's so many people holding on to the caboose that you gotta bring along on this train.

E (50:19)

It's never just us, right? It's never just Mike. It wasn't just Mike. It's never just yet. You know, I got grandma, I got my brother made it, but, you know, I got mom, I got other people that's counting on me.

A (50:31)

And it took Me through that first contract to figure out and get the understanding of financial literacy enough to know how to best handle that. So to get everything and put everything into a trust, so my whole family into the trust. So now when I'm handing you money, I'm handing you money, and I'm gonna send you tax papers. So we're handing you money now at your tax bracket, instead of me handing you money at my tax bracket. So if I give you a million dollars, I gotta make a meal, seven at my bracket to give you a meal.

E (51:04)

Right.

A (51:04)

You know what I'm saying? So now we gotta learn to do that. So everybody in your trust, we in the urban family dynasty, skipping trust. We ain't never paying the government nothing. When we leave time, we ain't giving you nothing. And when I send money to my mom, who, you know, when she was. God rest her soul, when she was like, I'm not paying at my tax bracket, these are the things that we have to learn to make sure we stay up.

E (51:35)

Why were you so forthcoming in the documentary? A lot of the stuff, you know, you and I had talked about. And I was like. When I found out the documentary was coming out, I was thinking to myself, how forthcoming is Michael gonna be? Is he gonna be as forthcoming as he's with me and him talking, or.

A (51:52)

Is he gonna put that on and I'm be straight? Cause, you know, you my boy to the heart, man. You're my boy to the heart. And even when you call me first and talk about all the things you said, Micah, thing I want to do. I want you to do this with me. I want to do. I was like, oh, Sham Shannon, I don't know, man. You know, I'm scared. Cause, listen, you guys, you talking. Well, watching your show, your nightcap stuff, you gotta be talking about some stuff. And this is what I was afraid of, right? And I said, okay, like, listen here. The problem now, I got some real dead bodies out here.

E (52:27)

Yeah.

A (52:28)

And I don't need nobody coming up out the grave talking about me undertaker, you know what I mean? I don't need all these grave sites raising back up when I say, yeah, well, I was over here with this. Well, I don't need them girls coming up to my. Yeah, I saw that check when he was young. No, sit your old butt down. It's too late now, you know, Sit. But that's the kind of thing. So I was worried about that. But the reality is, man, if you don't share, people will receive it and put their thing on it, right? You know what I mean? And not get it in the way that you got it. Like, we were talking about a lot of the things we did. White House, all this stuff. You can think about the other side of it, the women and all of that stuff. But it was also team building and team bondage, you know, and that's what we did, you know, so talking about it and getting the stories out the correct way. It's palatable now. It's palatable now. It wasn't palatable back then. They won't take it now. But these kids, they got Love Island. Everybody doing everything with everybody. Hey, that ain't nothing I did. So we good at the time.

E (53:42)

We just. I mean, like, you was like, man, you know what? I think this would be a good idea. You know, let's get a spot right.

A (53:47)

Across from practice, like anything else. It grew to that. Yeah, it grew to that. You know, we had.

E (53:53)

Cause you were thinking about the White.

A (53:54)

House spreading the hotels, right? The White House was the end game. This thing grew. It started out, you know, hotels, then we had an apartment, and then we went to the house, you know what I mean? So at each spot, there were. There were issues like, you know, you know, what happened at the hotel. You know, the hotel, the doors, ordinance.

E (54:16)

And people came and.

A (54:17)

Right. And they set me up at the hotel. You know, I'm so dumb. I got the girls get in the room. They got the room under their name. I'm thinking I'm being slick, but I won't put down my benzos. And they got Playmaker written all on them. I'm still driving, parking them alone. What good is doing that if I'm gonna pull up in here in the bins with Playmaker, Flash. Playmaker. Playmaker. So it's just. Cause you stupid. You don't know, you know. So it went from the hotel, man, you know, how much money we spending on the hotels? Let's just get an apartment. And then we got an apartment. And I had apartment. And then, you know, you bring a few girls over to the apartment, and then. And then things ain't going right with all the girls. And they got. They over there making all these noise and screaming, ah, what's going on? They kicking in the window. I said, oh, Lord, maybe we shouldn't be in apartment building. So. So then we finally got a house to try to move that thing. Well, Jerry finally found out. Leon let called me, dude. I'll never forget it. And New Jack City hadn't been out too long. We had just. I had just Seen New Jack City, and Cat called me. He said, michael, I never forgot. I was headed to the Cave campus. He said, michael, we've been infiltrated. He said, man, I'm telling you right now, shut down the White House, huh? Negro, this ain't no movie. Ain't shut down the Carter. Hey, shut down the car, Cassie. I'm telling you, Mike, I'm telling you. And about two weeks later, I'm in meetings, and Jerry called me, and it's Wednesday. It's install. You know, I want to be in here, like, wait a minute, dude. We going over the place, and they peek in the door to you. I said, I'll tell them in a minute. In a minute, we'll install. I gotta make sure they put it in the right place right now. He said, no, I want to see you right now. I said, we can't wait. He said, right now. You know, So I go and he asked me about. He said, michael, there's a story of breaking about some house y' all got over here somewhere, a white house. I said, oh, I thought about that. I said, I should have shut down. You should have shut it down?

E (56:32)

You should have shut it down.

A (56:33)

Hey, man, he asked me about it.

E (56:35)

Do you know who dimed it out?

A (56:38)

Yes, I do. I know. Well, a few people dimed it out, but. Yeah, yeah, we know. We know. They got out. When he asked me, though, I ain't had no answer. Jerry would tell the story. He said, I came in, I'm sitting there, and he said, just be honest with me. You know, I'm gonna be with you. I'll fight for you as long as you're honest. And I thought about it, and I just told him. I said, boss, we. We were trying to do the wrong thing the right way. I said, we would try to do the wrong thing the right way. I thought through it. I thought through it, but it just. You know what I mean? And it was a good plan because at first, you know, here again, we start, we gonna park at the complex and bring over one car so all the cars won't happen.

E (57:20)

Well, you ate a whole bunch of cars.

A (57:21)

No. Now, already at the hotel, we got all our cars identified. So we'll park at the complex and come over here in one car. And then, you know, as you get more and more loose with that and you're out drinking, you come to the club. Pretty soon, we had a whole parking lot out there. And that. That really gave us away. Them old people that were living next to us said we were making too much Noise. That's what they were saying. So. Yeah, but. But yeah, it was crazy times, man.

E (57:47)

Do you remember the first time you were introduced to drugs?

A (57:51)

You know, it's funny. It's so funny. When I went through the thing here at the hotel, Jerry set up a meeting with the district attorney. His name was Mike Gillette. Private meeting. We met to talk about the case, right? I said to him, I said. Jerry said, man, listen, this is. Let's just get this case out the way so we can get back on the field. I need you to set up. I need you to go talk with him and just be honest with him, be straight with him, and let's see if we can get this thing. Cause right now it just seems like he's after you. He's after you. I said, okay. Now you guys gotta understand. Now, that night in the hotel, when all of this went down, when the police came, they arrested the girl. I went home. I went home. Now, then they hired this new guy, Mike Gillette. They hired this new district attorney three, four months later. And he went back. Now we're into getting ready to work for the season. He went back and looked at the case and opened it up.

E (58:59)

Right, okay.

A (58:59)

And opened up the case.

E (59:00)

He reopened it.

A (59:01)

He reopened all of it. He said, well. Cause I didn't have any standings. You gotta have standings. That means the room was not in my name, right? Room was in her name. They found the things with her. So they said, okay, we can just take her or. Or. And let you go if she says it's hers and she says they're mine. She's a good girl. She's a good girl. And that hurts me too. Do b. Listen, she really was a good girl. And what happened with her was just not right, you know? Cause I really liked her. She was a good girl. She wasn't a dancer. I had met her at a club, but, you know, they put her out as a prostitute. It was just wrong. So I really. Because she was. I had. Before we went to the Super Bowl. I. I had.

E (59:49)

Was this the first super bowl or the second Super Bowl?

A (59:51)

First. No, before we went to the second Super Bowl.

E (59:53)

Okay.

A (59:54)

No, this happened when we got back from the third Super Bowl. Okay? This happened when we got back to third super bowl, before we went to this. Before we went to Super Bowl. The third Super Bowl. I. You know, you get all them tickets. You get tickets. So.

E (60:06)

Yeah, they used to get a boatload ticket. They give you about 30 tickets back then, Mike.

A (60:09)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

E (60:09)

You get about 30 tickets back then they cut it down.

A (60:12)

Yeah, yeah, they cut it way down. Because they know you get them 30 tickets and them people out there waiting, they'll give you three, four, five thousand dollars a ticket. Boy, I mean, I bet I had about a hundred, hundred on me. And I was. We were hanging around, I said, hey, listen, I pull it pill like or not. I say, hey, go get an apartment. Because when I come back, I do not want to come back to these hotels, right? Go get an apartment. And she was like, I don't wanna take your money like that. I was like, no, no, you're not taking my money. Go get an apartment. We don't wanna be in here. And, you know, I come back and then when I get back after, and I go, I wanna see. I go see her and I ask her. She came back, she gives me back the money. I said, what did you do? What are you doing? I don't wanna be like that, you know? So she was a real good girl. And then all of this goes down, you know? So it made me feel extra bad. Yeah, it made me feel extra bad for her, man. Cause she didn't deserve it. But when I was dealing with Mike Gillette and Jerry asked me to go meet with him, and she took. You know, she took it. She took it. She took it, right? She took it. So I can go home. And I always respect her for that. And she's just one of the good people. But he had me in a private meeting. You and him, me and Gillette, me and the district, me and him, private meeting. And this joker sits down with me, man, and he says. He says. I said, Mr. Gillette, I'm gonna tell you what happened. I'll tell you the truth. I said, now, I got off an airplane because I had autograph session. So. And I came to the hotel and you have a girl claiming that those are hers. I said, now, I'm not telling you I've never brought drugs to the hotel. I'm just telling you this time that night, I did. I didn't bring the drugs to the hotel. You know, trying to be honest and trying to be straight. I said, I'm trying to be honest. I'm being straight with you. His exact words was to me, was to me. And he jumped in early. He says, let me tell you what I think. He said, first of all, the truth is what I make it. And you'll find that when I get it, when we get in the courtroom. And then he told me, I promise you, he said to me, he said, you Know, I personally think you're a piece of shit and you're using your fame to take advantage of these poor white women, the white girls. And I'm going to put you away. He said his exact words. I'm gonna filet you like a fish and leave you in that alley. I was like, now all the Fort Lauderdale coming up out of me.

E (62:48)

You almost wolf.

A (62:49)

You see me talking. He was raising up when he was talking, talking. I was trying them.

E (62:53)

You try to buy. You try to bite your lip. You're like, okay, I just gotta. I gotta remember.

A (62:56)

I do understand. It was my first case. This is my first offense. So I just. Then. Then it got south after that. It got south. I said, let me tell you somebody. You look sharp. Little short dude, right? This is my first offense. I said, you could do what you want to do, but you can't give me any time. Give him a probation. Somebody gonna pay me millions to catch a football, because I know how to do that. And you're gonna be down here broke. He said, well, I'm gonna show you tomorrow when I have them cameras and everything here. I said, okay, I'm gonna show you, too.

E (63:38)

That's why I wore the mink coat.

A (63:40)

Hold up.

E (63:40)

You all made.

A (63:41)

That's why I wore the mink. In Dallas, Texas, it was 90 degrees.

E (63:45)

You got on a. You got on a full leak.

A (63:48)

Me with Versace glasses. And that's all they talked about. You see? That's all they talked about. He thought he was gonna get words in he wanted. And he was trying to say.

E (63:57)

I introduced him.

A (63:58)

When he said, you are taking advantage of you. I want to say, what do you mean? They gave me drugs. I didn't even know they did it to me. I was. I was in a slight. I was the one innocent. They started this. What are you saying? You know, so, yeah, man, that was it. And I remember the two girls. The two girls that. Yeah. Here. I don't call their names, but I remember them.

E (64:29)

So did you do drugs in high school? Did you do drugs in college?

A (64:33)

No, no, no. And I never did any drugs during the season. I could. That's what I was telling earlier when we were talking about it. I could do. I don't know. I had it. I could. Because we played until February, right? I'm in the Super Bowl. Super bowl wins in February. I got. I was. I would say, Jimmy said, let's get away. I had about a month in there.

E (64:53)

Yeah.

A (64:53)

This happened March 4th. March 4th month, my birthday, March 5th. I always had that one last Hurrah. Rah rah.

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And then I'm training. Did you train it? And then I'm training and I'm going, and I don't. You know, and it goes. And I'm thinking, I used to look at people like, man, I can't understand why y' all have problems. Stop it. Why can't you just stop, right? You know, because I could just stop and go play ball and not worry about it. But after I start, after I retired, I realized, okay, I ain't as strong as I thought. It wasn't that I was strong. I was just switching addictions.

E (68:36)

Right?

A (68:36)

You know what I mean?

E (68:37)

You had football. I had something to do to replace.

A (68:41)

Right? And. And if I had a real good month, I'mma work out real hard. Because that's the yin and the yang. That's just how I train my own head. So, yeah, I'm like. I'm an F1 after that birthday. Because we always start training.

E (68:57)

Yeah. About a month after that.

A (68:59)

Yep. Second week in March. Second weekend in March. So it worked out for me. That's what I thought. Worked out for me anyway. You know, it's so funny, though, that night I went to the hotel. I promise you, dude, after already trying to get Angela to get a hotel room and everything, I remember driving to that hotel that day. And I swear to you, as God is my witness, on my father's grave, as simply as I'm talking to you, God said, don't go to that hotel. I do. I think on this every day. I swear to you, as simply as I'm told, he said, do not go. You know? And I went, yep. And I went. And he must have set me up before. That's why I said. I said, go get an apartment. You know what I mean? We didn't. And he just did, you know? But, yeah, as I said, Jerry, I guess, yeah, I wish that never would have happened, man. I mean, not that what I was doing, you know. I ain't gonna say I wish I never did that. Cause, you know, that was what it is. I was young and we were just out there. But. But I just wish, because it changed things, you know? It changes things. It just changes things.

E (70:09)

Your cowboy teams were never the same, Mike.

A (70:11)

No, I was never the same. I was Never the same. It was just. And. And it just felt like, you know, it just wasn't the same. You couldn't lead the same as Fella, you know what I mean?

E (70:21)

Cause people looked at you different.

A (70:22)

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you felt that you different.

E (70:24)

Maybe they didn't change everything.

A (70:26)

And it changes everything. Cause you feel that. You feel it like, dang. You know? And so I was never the same. I was never the same.

E (70:34)

Because, Mike, I'm thinking, Mike, you was the battery. You was the energizer. You were the receiver, one of the very few receivers that led a team. When you got a gold jacket quarterback, you got a gold jacket running back. You've got the players on the defense, you got Haley gold jacket. You got time gold jacket. You've got those guys. But you're that battery. That was rare. How were you? They might have not knew to the extent, but they knew. You like to get down, Mike, right? How were you able to do what you did over here but get on the field, be first in the sprints and lead?

A (71:17)

Because we were having fun. It's not like. Like, I'm over here in the corner with some. You know what I mean? This was. All of this stuff gets introduced in the process of the womanizing and chasing and all of that stuff. But I didn't see it as, oh, you got an issue. I just saw we're all having a good time for this month, and then we get back to training, you know, and guys, we were all having a good time. We had a month off, and we got back to training. I never saw it as a problem. Right. You know, now once you get. Once that thing went down, the hotel, everybody. It's almost like, you know, you got to a problem, like, okay, you can see I had that kind of a drug problem. I didn't know I had a drug problem till after I retired. After I retired. And then I was like, okay, you know what? I had a good time. That's it. Let me get back, get back in shape. I said, that's it. This will be the last weekend. And I'm start focusing, getting back to work, start putting my actor career together. And then, you know, you go out another day and you're back out there, you say, wait a minute. This the last week? So after about three or four last weekend, you were like, it's about three.

E (72:36)

Or four months in.

A (72:37)

Right, right. And you were like, whoa, this is what they've been going through. Oh, you know, I never knew that. Right? I never knew that side. Cause once I had Football, I ain't got time for that right now. I gotta get ready. I gotta go chase Jerry Rice. But, yeah. So it got different for me then. Then I realized, okay. And that's when I started. I had to start searching more answers about me. Yes. Trying to find out things about me since I didn't have football to keep me off of the streets.

E (73:08)

You said that that situation taught you a lot about you. Is that the one time. But what about the other hundred times that I was out doing. Being playmaker.

A (73:21)

Right, right, right, right. You talking about what you talking about, like, getting caught down one time. And the problem is, here's what you try to do, what you do, you try to justify. All right. All right, Right. You know, many times I didn't get caught. Right. You know, even though I don't think I did. So I'll mark it up, chalk it up or whatever, you know, that kind of thing. But, you know, I look back, I'm like, I was young. I was young. You know, I was young. We were having fun. We're on top of the world. You were like the Gladiators and the Warriors. You go win and you get the prize. Yes. And you keep having fun. And people always say, like, you know, you have fun doing anything, it's like, anything. Drinking, smoking. You're just having fun. Having fun.

E (74:08)

Right.

A (74:08)

When does it become a problem? When it becomes too fun and you don't know how to start having that fun or when you don't have something else to turn your attention to?

E (74:18)

You also mentioned the situation. You had just gone through that, and the judge gave you probation and said, Look, Mr. Ervin, basically you say, I paraphrasing, you're getting a reprieve. But don't come back before me.

A (74:31)

Don't come back before me.

E (74:32)

And then right before that, there you go. You get into a scuffle with a teammate about a haircut.

A (74:37)

Yeah.

E (74:38)

Did you go home? Like, lord, I'm going to jail? Yeah, Lord, you got me out of this situation. And I promise you, Lord, I said, lord, if you get me out of this, I promise you I won't do this again.

A (74:48)

Were you in that room when I was saying that? Boy, Hard boy. You joking? What? Lord, if you get me out of this, I'll probably.

E (74:56)

I will never put myself in this situation again.

A (74:58)

Hey, you saw it. Hey, you saw it that first day. That first day I went to court. What Walked in there bad. Like, I don't know what. Full length mean Versace, boy, after them folks had done put me through the wringer, man. A couple weeks later, I'm coming up in that court. Blue suit. Please, just let me out of this, man. God. All right. I was done, boy. I was done with Manny Everett. I was like, I ain't never coming back here again. And then that situation at training camp happens with Everett, MacGyver, man, and everybody. And this is why you asked me earlier, why you tell the story? So everybody comes in. I hear this one guy going around telling. It's not like I came up, grabbed scissors and sliced somebody's throat. You know, we had been out drinking. We had been out early because we had got off early. We had to get haircuts and get meetings. Later, we had been out drinking, and MacGyver was the new guy in, right? You know, And I always rig and get on my linemen. The one wouldn't be tough. Big E came in, I would be getting. Big fella, what's your plans? Big fella, what are you trying to do? I gotta take care of my mama. So then I start, listen, big fella. Cause you know you ain't gonna win without the line. I said, listen, big fella, when you hear Troy said, Blue 18. Blue 18. Set. You look up and you look at that joker across from you. You say, you trying to stop me from feeding my mama. And then you say, hut. And you terrible. You know, I'm setting them up. Him, Larry, all of this. And Everett was the new guy. And I'm working. And we messing with Everett. We messing with Everett and Biggie and the guys, they started messing with. You can't let that little receiver. Dude, dude, I'm like, come on, Everett, stop playing, man. Stop.

E (76:44)

Come on.

A (76:46)

This is how we do it. This is how we do it. This is the order of this team.

E (76:50)

It's what we have. We have taping.

A (76:51)

Ankles.

E (76:52)

You got the ankles.

A (76:54)

You have to follow this now. Come on, we gotta follow this. And everybody over here. Come here. We were trying to get. Okay. And then Everett, you know. Cause we had drinks, he'd get up, dude, to be truthful. And I let people know I was getting my ass kicked. This big old joker was whooping my butt. I mean, that big boy pushed me. I said, hey, man, stop, man. I said, stop, dog, stop. And he did. And I shouldn't have. It's still not an excuse. I should never have grabbed the scissors. But I was in fight or flight mode, you know what I mean? And, dude, I went back to. I went back to my room right after that, and there's blood everywhere. Blood all over me. And Big Cat came in. He said, man, they don't know. You know, they don't know. They say I barely missed his. An artery, you know? And, dude, it was. That was as difficult a thing as ever, because, you know, you're. You're in this kind of frenzy fight thing going on. And then all of a sudden, once.

E (78:01)

You come down after that, you realize what you've done.

A (78:03)

Oh, my God. I sat in that room thinking, but I didn't kill anything. I'm going to jail. I'm going to jail. They killed this man. And somehow, if he survives, I'm still going to jail. Because the judge just told me, boy, if I see you again, I promise I'm gonna give you 25 years, you know? And, yeah, Everett. Me and Everett talked after that, man. And I shared then. And I'll never forget that. And I thank him again today. And I apologize to him again today on it, you know. Cause I've been thinking about it lately. Cause you watch a documentary, you start thinking like, oh, my God, you relive.

E (78:40)

All those moments all over again.

A (78:41)

Moments, man. And I just. He said to me, when he said that to me, he said, michael, you know, he said, I know the severity of what would happen if the truth got out. He said, man, I don't want to take you away from your kids like you always took. Almost took me away from mine, dude. That was. That was. Did you break down? Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Yeah. Because I didn't expect him to do that in my own mind.

E (79:18)

Cause at that moment, he showed you more grace and mercy than you showed him.

A (79:23)

He showed me grace. Yeah. And I wouldn't be here without it. I would not have been here. I wouldn't be here without it, you know? So. So, yeah, I tell you, man, again, I apologize to him a million times, you know.

E (79:37)

Didn't you have a situation in Miami? Did you get in a fight with somebody at Miami?

A (79:41)

Yeah, I got in fights at Miami, yeah.

E (79:42)

Cajby was telling me the first day.

A (79:44)

He got in a fight at Miami.

E (79:46)

How you just get to school, Mike.

A (79:47)

Right? I know, man. I don't know, man. But I told these guys because I know. I said, I don't mind doing so funny. I don't mind doing freshman stuff, guys, but. But listen, man, we got nothing, man. I'm here to try to get my family somewhere. And I was saying this. I know. You know, it's so funny. I was just saying, come on, man. I just gotta get my family. So they were playing these games with me. This was on the training table. The first day. The first day. You know, the guys are standing there, freshmen gotta eat last.

E (80:16)

Yeah. The protocol.

A (80:19)

That's the rules. Protocol. I've tried to wait. I tried to wait. So they kept making us wait. And then I kept saying, let me go. Let me go. He said, first, shut up and get back. I said, okay. And then the joker went and picked the food that I wanted. Cause I ain't. This is my first time seeing a training table. I'm coming from the ghetto in Fort Lauderdale, dude.

E (80:40)

We ain't never seen no food like that. No abundance of food like that.

A (80:43)

See, they don't think about it. It's like, y' all see this all the time. You know, Remember Howard? They had just gave Howard Snellenberger the okay to go in the ghettos and get us.

E (80:51)

Yes.

A (80:52)

So we were freshly coming out of the ghetto, for real. And I was like, oh, my God, look at this. And, yeah, after they mess with us and mess with the freshman, sit down. Eat last. Then that joker, I snuck by him and picked out a steak. And they pushed me and put me back. And then they. And then after he finally went. He took my steak, man. I cracked that joke over the head, man, with the tray and started woofing his butt. Hey, Jimmy called me in the office. I said, this joker fit to send me home. I just got here. I just got here, right? And then a couple weeks later, we're freshmen's working a freshman's workout, right? And we get the music box. Then linebacker come in. Freshman, shut up. Y' all don't play. And they change the music. I said, what? We get to work out for 10 more minutes, right? And then you guys come in, turn this music. Make put. I said, but that's not putting us to sleep. It's our mute freshman year. I said, dude, this is our time, dude.

E (81:50)

I got ten more minutes. Ten more minutes.

A (81:52)

You take him, push me. Boom. Push me down this way. I said, oh, okay. Oh. I said, these jokes gonna keep messing with me. So then we go upstairs in the big meeting room. Yeah. And Jimmy calls a meeting and he says, I can't believe it. Michael, get down here right now and call the player. I said, I told you we can't be fighting each other. Stop it right now. We're gonna shake hands right here in front of everybody. Right now. I'm fresh out of there, ghetto. I ain't. I, ain't. I. I'm a little rough around the edges, right? I'm fresh up out of that Ghetto. So in front of the team, he said, I want y' all to shake hands right now. This true story. I said, I'm on fire. I'm on fire from what that joker did, man. I reached out my left hand and he reached out his left. I grabbed him. He was, you know, in. And man. And then I hit him again in front of everybody.

E (82:49)

By.

A (82:50)

Coach was like, listen, boy, listen.

E (82:57)

Lord have mercy.

A (83:00)

I know, I know you had it hard. We here now. We trying to help you get out.

E (83:06)

Right?

A (83:06)

You can't be fighting us. That was it, man. And then he said, look, let me say. Said, you sure you want to play football? You ever thought about boxing? I ain't joking. You asked me that. It's me. I said, no, coach, I want to play football. I'm playing football. But. But to. To all of that, those situations, the Everett McGyver situation. After I retired, I had to figure out.

E (83:33)

Why. Why, why, why did you fight with your. Because you like to. Of 17, you're like 15 or 16, right?

A (83:40)

I've been fighting all my life.

E (83:42)

So you.

A (83:42)

You had to fight up.

E (83:43)

You like, you know what? I ain't taking nothing else. Nobody else. I done took it off of them for 18, 19 years, 20 years. Yeah, it stops here today.

A (83:51)

Yeah. And then I had to go study it and learn it. And if you go through it now, they'll tell you, in a mother's third trimester, if she is stressed, pressured, her brain releases. Her body releases cortisol that goes to the brain of the baby to tell the baby to prepare for fight or flight. And in this child, you will have. You will have a smaller cortex, bigger mammalian. That's the base. So your fight or flight state, you're more apt to fight than reason. I'm more apt to fight than reason. It serves me well. On the football field, so you come up. But off the football field, you're such.

E (84:39)

A small time on the football field.

A (84:40)

Right, right, right. And that's what I said I had to learn. Dude, joke. Stop. They tell you understanding it and studying it is not 75% to beating it. So now even when I'm riding and somebody comes by and cut me off, hey, I said, that's just your reptilian brain. Calm it down. I see. No problem. Excuse me. No problem. No problem. But you got calm it down. You gotta know, calm it down right now. So, you know, I had to study that, figure it out, learn it and try so I can try to get through this thing without. Get through this thing called life without football.

E (85:16)

Had you known what you know now back then, are you still the same Michael Irving?

A (85:24)

Oh, man.

E (85:24)

Because that served you well. And like you said in playing football, now, you go get the help, the treatment that you need to be able to reason.

A (85:32)

Right, right, right, right. Do I get there? You know, that's a great question. That's a great question. You know, because the fight in me was the fight here. The fight here. But all these other fights away from here, they were problematic. They were problematic, you know, so coming up, the way I came up, I was like, yeah, that's. I need that come up. I need that come up. I just need to learn what I know now, sooner. You see what I'm saying. So I could have said, I could have stopped a lot of the stuff. Understanding that's just your reptilian brain. Just calm it down. You're not on the field right now. Be reasonable.

E (86:19)

This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two is also posted and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listened to part one on. Just simply go back to Club Shay Shay profile and I'll see you there.

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Here's why April chose to vaccinate her child.

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I think actually meeting someone who was not vaccinated and now has a lifelong struggle with a childhood disease really cemented for me that it's super important that we as parents continue to vaccinate our children.

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Please welcome aboard the Johnson family. The whole fam's here for the Disney.

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Cruise So you know we came to play.

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And listen, the adults are gonna have a ball.

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First we're chilling in the infinity pool.

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Onto massages at Sense's spa, then gliding.

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Into Star Wars Hyperspace Lounge for a toast.

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We're even gonna kick back with Mickey on Disney's private island.

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That that's how we get down cause Disney Cruise Line is where we came to play.

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