Club Shay Shay - Michael Irvin Part 2

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Michael Irvin Part 2

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Host: Shannon Sharpe (with Michael Irvin)
Release Date: September 3, 2025

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Episode Overview

In Part 2 of their candid conversation, Hall of Famer Michael Irvin joins Shannon Sharpe to dive deep into the psychological, emotional, and practical realities of an NFL legend’s life—on and off the field. The episode explores lingering childhood trauma, accountability, the dynamics behind the Cowboys dynasty, brotherhood, family, and the personal struggles Irvin continues to face, including his wife’s battle with early onset dementia. The conversation is powerful, unfiltered, and full of both humor and raw vulnerability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Dealing with Trauma, Finances, and “Buying Out of Pain”

[03:24]

• Irvin explains how childhood struggles shape financial decisions, revealing how many athletes spend out of emotional pain, not future purpose.
• Quote:
  “You’re not living in your now, you still dealing with your yesterday... We buy out of our pain. We don’t think about our purpose.”
  — Michael Irvin, 03:24
• Story: The $5 million signing bonus bought houses and cars, but left little left—decisions driven not by logic, but by watching family lose everything growing up.

The 1996 Suspension – Accountability and Identity

[04:44]

• Irvin recounts his 5-game suspension, its emotional impact, and feeling unable to hold teammates accountable afterward.
• Quote:
  “I cried on the sideline one time ’cause I realized I couldn’t get them back... I was never the same.”
  — Michael Irvin, 06:20
• Sharpe brings up the challenge of athlete identity: when the sport, not by choice, is taken away, “Who am I when I’m not The Playmaker?”

Football: Escape, Identity, and Family Purpose

[08:49]

• Irvin discusses whether he could ever separate “football player” from “Michael Irvin.”
• Recalls his mother’s faith and the pressure to lift his family:
  “God put his arms me and said, fret not, Pearl. This is the one that will make your latter days greater than your former days. My mom told me this every day.”
  — Michael Irvin, 09:00–10:15

Career-Ending Injury & Walking Away

[11:26]

• Recalls the career-ending play in Philadelphia, realizing something was deeply wrong after the tackle (cervical spinal stenosis).
• Desperate to play on, but his wife convinced him it was time:
  “You can’t put us through that. I’m gonna be worried every time you hit somebody trying to prove.”
  — Michael Irvin, 12:38
• Football’s finality: “There’s no senior circuit. In golf, you got a senior circuit... NFL is over. When it’s gone, it’s gone.”
  — Sharp & Irvin, 13:46–14:11

Cowboys Culture, Rebuilding, and the “Will to Win”

[17:22]

• Irvin remembers coming in as a rookie and clashing with veteran habits of complacency.
• Quote:
  “It’s not just about skill. It’s about will... You can have a better skill set than me and still get your butt whoop... I got here on will.”
  — Michael Irvin, 19:49–20:52
• He and Sharpe stress that pain and investment are the true foundation for winning:
  “If it does not hurt when it doesn’t work out, you didn’t put enough into it.”
  — Shannon Sharpe, 19:35

Turning the Corner as a Team

[21:18]

• The turning point: After years of rebuilding, the trio of Irvin, Emmitt Smith, and Troy Aikman finally click, signaling the dawn of the 1990s Cowboys dynasty.
  “First time all three of us was on the field and we won that game... That 91 season, we were different.”
  — Michael Irvin, 21:24–22:35

The Jimmy Johnson & Jerry Jones Dynamic

[24:45]

• Sharpe and Irvin dissect the fracturing of the Cowboys dynasty, comparing it to Belichick/Kraft.
• Business vs. football mindsets led to a historic split, sparking “what could have been” speculation.
• Quote:
  “If somehow they could have worked that out… Jimmy would have been the greatest. Known as the greatest coach ever.”
  — Michael Irvin, 28:34
• “You guys were supposed to be the Patriots before the Patriots became the Patriots.”
  — Shannon Sharpe, 28:34

The Missed Opportunity with Randy Moss

[38:18]

• The Cowboys were close to drafting Randy Moss in 1998 but backed off due to media pressure and previous off-field issues.
• “We get Randy... We could have won five in a row. Five, five in a row. Should have won me six or seven by myself. No doubt, though.”
  — Michael Irvin, 39:14–40:25

Leadership Differences: Jimmy Johnson vs. Barry Switzer

[40:25]

• Contrasts Johnson’s relentless accountability with Switzer’s “you’re a professional, handle your business” hands-off style.
• Quote:
  “That’s a great thing to say [you’re a professional], but it’s not a reality in life... Everybody has to be held accountable.”
  — Michael Irvin, 41:18–41:29

Generational Differences, Public Critique & Player Mentality

[42:25]

• Sharpe and Irvin reflect on the challenges of criticizing today’s players (“Why you hating?”), the weight of a “gold jacket,” and the necessity for elders to remain supportive while honest.
• Irvin apologizes for previous comments, stressing the importance of “not losing the ability to lift up the next generation.”
  — 43:17–44:54

Today’s Receivers & The Evolution of the Game

[49:39]

• Discussion of how wide receivers and the game itself have changed: physically gifted, highly skilled, but sometimes questionable desire.
• “If I see you tap your helmet on third down... Don’t ever bring his ass back... You got all the physical skill set, but sometimes I question the desire...”
  — Michael Irvin, 51:26–52:09

Cowboys Outlook & Micah Parsons

[53:30]

• Irvin is emphatic: Parsons is the franchise’s most important defensive asset, should be prioritized like Patrick Mahomes is in Kansas City.
• Offense is set to score, but failure to secure Parsons undercuts the team:
  “If you gonna put up 35 points, that’s the surprise that I think will hit a lot of people this year. Cowboys will put up at least 30 points a game.”
  — Michael Irvin, 55:10

Personal: Caring for a Spouse with Early Onset Dementia

[55:22]

• Irvin opens up about his wife’s diagnosis, the years of struggle, caregiving, and the emotional toll.
• Quote:
  “If anybody has earned the right to be in her home, she will be in her home. And I have to do it. And it gets hard, but... being around the game keeps me sober and gives me that lift.”
  — Michael Irvin, 57:46
• The most difficult moment: his wife choosing grace instead of confrontation after Irvin’s public mistakes—a moment both humbling and transformative.
  “When she hit me with that, it was... That was the hardest.”
  — Michael Irvin, 59:39

Social Media, Accountability, and the Internet’s Double-Edged Sword

[67:29]

• Sharpe brings up public incidents involving young athletes and social media.
• Irvin warns: when you invite people in, you also invite their opinions—be ready for all consequences.
• “You invited them to this show. You told them that their opinions matter and you allow them now space in your brain and these things happen.”
  — Michael Irvin, 69:07

On Fatherhood and Lessons from His Father

[73:09]

• Irvin discusses his father’s focus on decisions and consequences; trying to instill life lessons into his own kids, though with a different approach.

Reflection on the Cowboys Dynasty & “America’s Team”

[76:07]

• On rewatching old highlights, Irvin expresses pride but hopes current Cowboys understand that talent alone isn’t enough—championships require true family, not just teams.
• Quote:
  “Football teams and organizations will never win a championship. It has to be a football family... everything is interconnected and interdependent on one another.”
  — Michael Irvin, 77:11

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On financial decisions and pain:
  “We buy out of our pain. We don’t think about our purpose.” (Michael Irvin, 03:27)

• On suspensions and player identity:
  “Who am I? What actually am I at this very moment when I'm not the playmaker?” (Shannon Sharpe, 06:20)

• On his wife's loyalty:
  “The Lord told me, I am your wife. And whatever else you did, you got to work out that with him. But I'm your wife, and I'm not leaving.” (Michael Irvin recalling his wife's words, 57:46–59:39)

• On today's NFL receivers:
  “You leaving now. We third down. Don't ever wanna play with you again.” (Michael Irvin, 51:39–52:09)

• On the evolution of sports and talent:
  “You got seven footers dribbling basketballs all the way up the floor, shooting. Because everybody now... sports have become such a big business now.” (Michael Irvin, 50:15)

• On social media and public scrutiny:
  “When you invite people in, you also invite their opinions.” (Michael Irvin, 69:07)

• On the meaning of championship teams:
  “Football teams and organizations will never win a championship... It has to be a football family.” (Michael Irvin, 77:11)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Dealing with trauma and financial “pain spending” – 03:24–04:38
• 1996 suspension, accountability, and loss of “authenticity” – 04:44–07:24
• Purpose, family, and football as salvation – 08:49–11:00
• Career-ending injury and the grief of retirement – 11:26–14:11
• Rebuilding Cowboys culture: pain and willpower – 17:22–20:52
• Turning point of Cowboys dynasty – 21:18–22:35
• The Jimmy/Jerry fracture and missed Patriots-like future – 24:45–29:57
• Missed opportunity to draft Randy Moss – 38:18–40:25
• Leadership and accountability: Jimmy Johnson vs. Barry Switzer – 40:25–42:25
• Gold jackets, public critique, and generational tensions – 42:25–44:54
• Cowboys defense, Micah Parsons & 2025 outlook – 53:30–55:22
• Irvin’s family struggles — Early onset dementia – 55:22–64:25
• Social media’s impact on young men/athletes – 67:29–70:41
• Fatherhood and lessons from Michael Irvin’s father – 73:09–75:34
• Reflections on the Cowboys’ dynasty/family – 76:07–78:09

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Final Thoughts

This episode brings into focus the real cost and real meaning of greatness. Irvin’s journey from pain and struggle to triumph—and his candid vulnerability about personal failures, family, and even the challenges of caring for an ill spouse—sheds a rare light on the human stories behind the gridiron. Both men, with deep mutual respect, give listeners heartfelt lessons on perseverance, family, and leadership.

If you want the blueprint for football greatness and the realities that come with it, this is the conversation. “You gotta commingle skill and will. It’s not just the game we play—it’s the life we live.”

Transcript

[Michael Irvin]

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[Michael Irvin]

Cause you're not living in your. Now, you still dealing with your yesterday.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Michael Irvin]

You see what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Michael Irvin]

You're like. And you asked me about finances. That's what we do in finances. We buy out of our pain. We don't think about our purpose. Our purpose is what we gonna do ahead of us. Our pain is what's behind us. So now you get that $5 million signing bonus, and what do you do? You go spend 2 million on a house, you go spend another million on your mom's house, you go spend some money on cars. Now the 5 million is down to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

1 million and you ain't paying no taxes.

[Michael Irvin]

And you say to yourself, that's all right though. I paid mine, I bought it, I paid it off. Cause you're dealing with the pain of watching your mom lose her house and watching your cousin, them lose their house. So now you made a stupid financial decision by buying it outright when you should have borrowed, and you know what I mean, bargaining, and left that principle there and use the interest on that to help pay down. You see what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, absolutely.

[Michael Irvin]

But we do it out of our yesterday, not thinking about our tomorrow. So, yeah, you gotta be careful dealing in your pain. And that's what I was doing a lot of times, even when I was making it, I was still dealing in my pain.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The trauma from yesterday will show up today.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah. And that's all of us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You get through that the 96th season, you get suspended. I think you got suspended the first five games in 96.

[Michael Irvin]

First five games, yeah. I remember getting that letter from Paul Taglabu, Paul Taglaboo, saying, you know, you have enjoyed the fame and notoriety of playing for one of the biggest and well known franchise in this league, the Dallas Cowboys. And for that we think we should. For that, we should give you one extra. An extra game. So I got five instead of the four, Right. I was like, damn. Yeah. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Right, right. I thought the league was supposed to be about being fair, being fair, you know, give everybody the same thing. But he was like, no, we gonna give you one extra so yeah, they gave me a five game vacation that I didn't want, but they gave it to me anyway. They gave it to me during that time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know just how important, because we wired a lot of light, how important the game of football is. And when I can't do it, not from my own volition, something is missing. Yeah, not only is it missing, I'm letting my teammates down because I want my teammates respect and trust. I want my coaches trust, I want their respect, I want the fans appreciation. I got none of that now. Who am I? What, what actually am I at this very moment when I'm not the playmaker.

[Michael Irvin]

Right. And, and, and you know, Shannon, that, that's why I said I was never the same when, when I got back. It's never the same because I demanded accountability. And where was I for five games? I cried on the sideline one time cause I realized I couldn't get them back. You know, we had just won the super bowl and all of that went down at the hotel, man, and after, like, I just, you know, I wanted to get back that Super Bowl. Let's get back to a Super bowl so we can celebrate again and have a whole full celebration in the off season and just we could never get back. I was never the same. I was never the same.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Mike, your accountability was on the field. You caught the passes, you ran the routes, you was in shape. Yeah, but you felt that what you had done off the field somehow had crept. And now I can't be the general to stand up in front of you and says, this is what I need. Because you felt they were gonna question you. That's not what you did.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, the authenticity. The authenticity. You know, I studied a lot of things, you know, trying to figure out, trying to figure out me. Excuse me. Trying to figure out me, you know, because God has blessed me in a great way to have to accomplish great things and do some things and financially and everything. And now that I don't have football, I want to make sure I don't mess that up going forward. You know, I've always said, I mean, no bones about it, if I wouldn't have had football, I wouldn't have made it. You know what he did that one time? What would you do if you didn't have football? And I jokingly said it, but I don't know if I was all the way joking. I said I would probably imprison or dead, you know, because I'm going to find and try some way to be successful. And I needed an avenue to try to go do it. And football gave me an avenue. I don't. You know, I was going to do it. And if I didn't have that avenue, man, I could have gotten in a lot of things to try to get it done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Could you separate? Could you ever understand football was what you did, but not who you were? Could you ever separate that or was football tied to Michael Irvin and Michael.

[Michael Irvin]

Irvin tied to football? I could separate once I got. Once I got enough to live, you know, to be really real. Football was the only way out. There was nobody around you that you saw got out. The only thing you saw on TV was the football. That's how you get out. That's the way you get out, you know, so that was. That was it. There was no other way for me. There's just no other way now. I graduated. I got my degree in business, but, you know, I got all of them. I got all of my. My mom told me from the day I was born, dude, from the day I was born, I'm the 15th or 17th kid. She said, baby, I was crying when I got pregnant with you. She said. I was like, I can't have another baby. I was in church crying. And God put his arms me and said, fret not, Pearl. This is the one that will make your latter days greater than your former days. My mom told me this every day. Every day, I swear, every day of my life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Almost like you were preordained.

[Michael Irvin]

Every day of my life, she said, I'm not. I remember her opening the refrigerator with nothing in there. And I don't know how I remember this. Oh, God. It's my witness. I don't know how I remember, but I remember her saying, look at this. That's all right, baby. God gave me you. He told me, you're gonna make my latter days better than my former days. I was on that mission. I was on that mission. And, you know, and I. And I kept telling everybody, I'm on this mission. I gotta get here. I gotta get here, you know, so. So football's everything for me. It allowed me the opportunity to provide for my family. Even though I got those business degrees, you know, minor communications. It wouldn't have given me that instant help like football did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

96. That happened 97, 98, your last season. 99. You in Philly, old vet stadium. Routine play catch it, get tackle. But the first thing hit is your head. And it kind of pushes your head, jars your head backwards. Did you know at the time that it happened that something was wrong?

[Michael Irvin]

I knew, you know, Shadizzy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I'm trying to start getting cobwebs out here.

[Michael Irvin]

I'm shaking it up, shaking off, shaking. And. And. And then everybody comes out, and I'm sitting, and I'm hearing them tell me, uncross your legs. I think I was like, this. Uncross your legs. And I thought I did. Yeah. And they said, a couple uncle. And then I look up, and it was Dion. Dion was there, and he was. That's what made me scared. Seeing Dion pray like that, I was like, just adore. Because we. You know, we called them head dings, right? Yeah. What's going on? What's going on? And then that's kind of how I got it. Then they gave me this little thing that wilded. So I'm gonna. Let me know if you feel anything. And they said, let me know if. I said, all right. Like, I was waiting on you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You wait. You're like, okay, well, go ahead. I'm gonna let you know when I.

[Michael Irvin]

Feel, so I'll let you know, right? And, yeah. And then when I look up, I see Dion. That's when I knew. That's when I knew. But I found out, right? I didn't know. What I had was called stenosis.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Stenosis. It's narrowing of the spinal cord, narrowing.

[Michael Irvin]

Of the spinal cord and the spinal column, and it presses against my spinal cord. And it's so crazy. They were like, any other hit can be your last. Yeah, right? And I'm thinking, what? Like, what are you talking. This was a. This was my route. This is the slant route. I live in this slant route. This is it. This is it. And that's what. Dude, I went and found. I went and tried to find a doctor that put me back on that field, you know, I wanted to keep playing, you know, And I found one that said, michael, you've had this forever. You know, you played this long with it. It's a risk. It's a risk. I gotta tell you that. But you can continue. And I talked to my wife about it, and she was thought, you know, where you can do that? And I thought she was right. She was like. Cause you're gonna. You're gonna be out there trying to prove to people that you're not thinking about it and you're not scared and you're going to hit somebody trying to prove. And something's going to, like, you can't put us through that. I'm gonna be worried everything. So, yeah, I had to finally walk away. But that was hard. That was hard because I knew that. That's my lifesaver. Football. Football was my life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was it.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because there ain't no senior circuit. In golf, you got a senior circuit.

[Michael Irvin]

Right, right, right. Basketball, you got a big three. You got a big three. That's basically your senior circuit. NFL is over. This is it. And when it's gone, it's gone. It's gone. And what you said, we can't. It's what we did and not who we are. But separating the two, when what you did made you who you are coming from, where you came from, who was very difficult was very difficult because, you know. Yeah, it gave me the confidence. It gave me everything.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Mike, you came with you was coach Landry's last draft class last first round. And those vets, Randy White, Ed Tutall, There were a lot of guys from the glory days, those 70 cowboys that were still on the team. Yeah, but. And the story's like they was telling you you was going too hard to practice and you went to Jimmy said Jimmy, I got a list for.

[Michael Irvin]

Well, what happened that first year we went through. Dude, I'm coming in from Miami and we're about to win. I just won national championships. I'm putting the Cowboys. I watch all these years with my dad watching the Cowboys, I can't wait to get here. This is storied franchise. And yeah, we get here that first year and it wasn't like the Randy Weiss and Ed, those dudes, they're like us Shannon, them the dogs, right? Them ain't the ones you gotta worry about, right? They had they old ass out there going hard as they can. You know, they wanna.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they your 14, right?

[Michael Irvin]

But they had other dudes around them. Cause see, when they were carrying the team, they could carry, but now they couldn't carry the team. And the guys, they got around them. Now when I got in, I'm trying to get us back to here. I'm crying when we lose. I'm chronic. No, they're like, come on, rook, rook, we don't do that in the NFL. We don't act like that. Come on, we pick up a check on Tuesday. There were actually dudes saying this. I was like, what are y' all talking about, man? What about the game? It's about winning, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Michael Irvin]

I worked my heart out to get here to play you jokers. And this how y' all thinking you know, so, yeah, every dude that talked to me and said that to me, I wanted to tell Coach Johnson, because you can't win with that. I don't mind that you can't win with that. Yeah, I don't mind that. You want to make money, I want to make money, right? I don't mind, whatever. You want to be famous, you want to meet girl, whatever. But we all got to focus on winning. And you can get that. But you can't be sitting here telling me not to hurt. It's okay to lose, Joker. The only way we gonna stop this losing is if it hurts. It hurts. If it hurts enough.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the more you. And this is what I tell people, Mike. I say the more you put into something, the more it hurt when it doesn't work out, right? I say, because if it does not hurt when it doesn't work out, you didn't put enough into it.

[Michael Irvin]

You didn't put enough into it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's really that simple.

[Michael Irvin]

And that's the game. That's the play. That's the game we play because. And that's why it's not just. And I tell people this all. It's not. Our game is not just about skill. It's about will. You can have a better skill set than me and still get your butt. Whoop. Every cornerback I named earlier, every last one of them, Deion Sander, Darrell Green, Rob was think about these. All of them better physically. The physical skill set that killed me. A physical skill set. They'll kill me. They'll kill me. They all run four ones and four twos. I, at best, I'm gonna run a four five, but I'm gonna run the first quarter, second quarter, third quarter, fourth quarter, fifth quarter, sixth quarter and seventh quarter. If we go eight, I'm still running that four five. You gonna be out of five, eight out of five flat by now. I'm gonna still be running this four five. You know, went from a four one to a five flat. I be that four five all day long. Cause you're not gonna outwork me. I. You know what I'm saying? So skill is one thing, but I got here on will. And you gotta commingle those two.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what makes our sport so unique. We're the only sport that ask a man to move another man against his will. Yeah, yeah, Mike. I ain't going nowhere.

[Michael Irvin]

The hell you say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't you fitting to get up out of here.

[Michael Irvin]

Get up out of here, boy. Hey, I don't know what you gonna do Next week. You can do something that week. But you losing this week, bro. You gonna lose this week. Absolutely. Get used to it. And I tell people, get used to it, boy, if you playing B. Cuz, I ain't having it. I ain't having it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When did you know you guys had turned the corner and you had the guys assembled that could go win a Super Bowl?

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, you, you know what? I, that, that, that third year we came back. I came back. We just got drafted in it. The first game we played in, all three of us together was Tampa Bay. I was coming back off of knee surgery and I had at that acl. I had missed the first four games of that season. It's the fifth game of the season. I was on injury reserve, you know, missed the rest of the season. First four games on injury reserve. Came back that fifth game. Called a game winning touchdown, cornered end zone. First time all three of us was on the field and we won that game. And then we won a few more games that year. Big game against the Rams in la. And then we were like, oh, okay, now we're turning the corner. Now we're starting to turn the corner. And then, you know, that next year, that 90, the 91 season, that 91 season, we were different. That's the year Emmett and I, we both won receiver and running back of the year. You know, we went off. So. And from now on, it was over. It was over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Once you get a taste of when you win the Super Bowl. Cause nobody, everybody thought it was gonna be you gonna win the 93 season.

[Michael Irvin]

Right? Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you win the 92 season.

[Michael Irvin]

We thought we were a year away. Yeah, dude, but see, and that's what. But once you had gone through that 3 and 15, that 3 and 13, that 1 and 15, and now we're sitting in San Francisco. They thought both San Francisco, they were like, I don't know if they beat San Francisco experience. And they don't have experience to be Buffalo in the Super Bowl. Man, what do I. That San Francisco game, I. I don't care. There was no way on God's green earth we were losing that game. I told, I tell people all the time. I was walking around. I remember before that, because we were coming from the 3:13, 1. That was fresh enough. That was three years ago. That wasn't like that. Yeah, that was just. That was this yesterday.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Michael Irvin]

Y' all remember this? We were just there, boy. And I remember walking around talking about, dude, I'm talking about, I'm ready to die before I leave here. Defeated we were all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We were ready.

[Michael Irvin]

We were all ready to die before we leave there, boy. We were not leaving without that victory.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, you know, whoever won the NFC.

[Michael Irvin]

Championship was the one winning Super Bowl. That's how we saw it. That's how we saw it. Even when we got there, they said, well, Buffalo has experience. And I was like, I don't give a damn about experience. Yeah, I run a deep end in the parking lot. Doesn't matter this. But, boy, when I walked in that Super Bowl, I was like, oh, wait a minute. Maybe I should have cared. Crazy, cuz it's different, dog. It's different. And you already.

[Shannon Sharpe]

50,000 already.

[Michael Irvin]

I'm like, why can't I breathe? What's going on out here? You know you can't breathe. You can't even believe it, man. There was nothing like greatest day of my life after that game was the greatest day of my life. I know. Bar none. I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nothing like that first one.

[Michael Irvin]

Nothing like it, man. I sat in that locker room and did not leave because I just wanted to remember that I used to sit in that locker room, sit in the locker room crying when we lose. And now I'm sitting in this locker room looking at the Lombardi Trophy. That was. Dude, I stayed there all night.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When Jerry tells you. When Jerry tells you guys, we gonna make a trade for Charles Haley. You know the story about Haley.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Haley is a different cat. He's very different now than he was then. And he was very.

[Michael Irvin]

He was very, very different. Very different. And I knew it. I knew it. Cause Right, right. He's the San Fran and Daniel Stubbs they had drafted. Stubbs. Yeah. So Stubby was over there. And even when he was playing for San Fran. I hope Stubby don't mind me telling this. The game I got hurt against San Fran, Stubby used to call. He said, hey, man, do you guys gotta play? Will you cracking back? Will you crack down on the dn? I said, why? He said, dude, I write you a nice check, man, to take out Charles Haley's knee. The hell you talking? He said, I hate this joker, you know? Cause I. Man, Charles was all. Charles had been all over Danny Storms. So he was trying to tell me, come in and take out his dude, just take him out, you know. I was like, man, hey, Haley was all over everybody. I ain't coming in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It take a semester type of her to deal with.

[Michael Irvin]

Right, right, right. You had special dude. Special dude.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I mean, he. If. If he liked you, he liked you.

[Michael Irvin]

Well, but if you. Right, right. But if he didn't, boy, you gonna stay on you, but he gonna stay on you. But no matter what he is, if you put him on the field and say, seek ye qb, he'll get that. Seek ye qb. You could do that. He could do that real good. I don't care what nobody said, man. He's. He was the difference for us on defense. He was the difference.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He ran that defense now in 90. So you win 92, you win 93. If Jimmy. Because I believe. Because you. Jimmy was your coach in college. And I know how you felt about Jimmy. I know how you feel about Jerry. But do you think. Do you ever think about, like, man, why these jokers couldn't just get along like Mr. Kraft and Coach Belichick for 20?

[Michael Irvin]

That's perfect, too. And I was thinking about that. I mentioned. I was meaning to bring that up. Because you're so good at this, because that's the perfect example. And you know why? You know why? Because Jimmy spoke to the media. You see, Belichick never speaks to that, right? So they couldn't take Belichick words, run them back to Kraft, twisted them into wine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They couldn't take Kraft back to Coach Belichick because neither one of them.

[Michael Irvin]

Belichick don't want to hear, he ain't giving you the time. He going. You know what I mean? So it was able to do it for so long. Now, Jimmy, though, Jimmy looking. Even I look at the documentary, I can see. I can see it. I know coach, he sees it now. But like us, he was monomaniacal. Single focus. He couldn't see it then. Look at what this. What this league is now. Honestly, y' all can say what you want. It's because Jerry. Jerry went to cbs. They'll talk about. They talk about documentaries. CBS wanted to take. Give less money. And all the other owners were saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, because CBS really was the first.

[Michael Irvin]

Good old boy network. Jerry said, ain't no good old boys here. No, no, no. Cbs. You out. He brought in Fox now. Now made Fox a whole network. Made Fox a whole network. And now everybody starts growing again. Everybody's coming back in. CBS tries to. Wants to work back in. He's doing the same thing with Netflix. He in the salary cap. Coaches making the kind of money they are making, quarterbacks making the kind of money they're making. If somehow they could have worked that out, let Jerry show off the team so he can build a league like he's building the league, and you just do your thing, it would have been perfect. It would have Been Jimmy would have been the greatest. Known as the greatest coach ever. Cause Jerry was gonna promote it that way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause you guys were supposed to be the Patriots before the Patriots became the Patriots. Because when you won your third Super Bowl, Mike, you was 28, right? Emmett was like, 25.

[Michael Irvin]

Dude, isn't that crazy?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Troy was like 26, 27. And you had Larry Allen. You had time. You had. You had.

[Michael Irvin]

We had it, man. It was. Dude, it was. You do. You Couldn't keep it together. God darn. God almighty. Couldn't keep that together. Y'. All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y. Y' all could have three ped.

[Michael Irvin]

I asked Emmett today. I asked Emmett about that day. Cause I. I saw the old. I saw that interview in the. In the documentary when Bob Costa set Jimmy up pretty good when he said, you know, Jerry said he could coach this team. Do you have any respect for Jerry's football acumen? He said, well, yeah, as an owner. As an owner. And then. And then Bob came back and. And Jimmy thought about it, and Jimmy's smart enough. I wish he should have handled that. I know he looks back now and says, like, when he asks, but as an equal. As an equal, it's a setup question. How the hell you gonna ask this man? Is it equal to him? Yeah, you know, equal to him as a coach. Now, I wish Jimmy would've said, well, listen, I don't expect this man to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Know what I know to make men.

[Michael Irvin]

Equal to him in business when he's bought Dallas Cowboys. Because he's been doing that for 35 years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Michael Irvin]

I've been coaching for 35 years, so you can't expect me to think he's my equ. I don't expect him to think I'm easy. Give an answer like that and leave him some room to wiggle, you see, because he's standing right next to it. I think that was. That was the killer.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think what really hurt Jimmy is that he said there anybody could coach this team. But the question is, could anybody have built this team?

[Michael Irvin]

And that's a good assess. That's a good assess.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because to go. To get Troy to draft Emmett, to trade her, and I think to think where it started. Who traded Herschel?

[Michael Irvin]

That's a good way. That's a good way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who traded Herschel? It was like Jimmy said, I did it. Jerry said it was a collective thing. And it kind of. And then, you know, you have success. You know, you have success. Everybody thinks they have success, even the people that cook the food.

[Michael Irvin]

Everybody bet, you know, that food, that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Was the best Food y' all had. We don't cook.

[Michael Irvin]

Well, y' all want a Super bowl with us? We want a Super Bowl. Running sled routes, Joker. I ain't got nothing to do with no food you put on the table. But everybody does say that to do it. Nothing, man. But you're right. And that's why winning at that kind of pace is so hard, because everybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wants to get more credit than Heat than they deserve.

[Michael Irvin]

Than they deserve. And. And it's just. And that's why it's hard to keep it together. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mike, you almost got traded to the Raiders.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, they play. I would have loved to go to the Raiders if I was going to get traded. Raiders would have been Al. You remember Al had. You know, Al Davis, you know how he used to walk around when you're working out and always come by. I don't know why that wasn't tampering. Why they ain't never put. Al was tampering. Al come right on back and watch you work out, boy, you work out like a Raider.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you.

[Michael Irvin]

He would always.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you wanna be a Raider?

[Michael Irvin]

I'm like, boy, hey, boy. Hey, boy. That's his favorite. First time, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Al Davis got close to him.

[Michael Irvin]

He come walking by. He always walk by. He wanted. And for us, that was like. Boy, that was like Michael Corleone invite you into the family. What. Cause you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What, you saw him all the time.

[Michael Irvin]

That mean, you know, he knows. And he said, you wanted them dogs. Cause we only want dogs over here. So, you know, he played that great. Man, I loved Al, man, I loved Al. But Jerry even said. He said when. When they were talking about trading me and everything, Al Davis was the one told him. Cause he was new. Jerry was new. He said, you don't trade people like that. You should trust me. You don't trade people like that. So, you know, so. So. You know, Al, I had a great respect and love for Al Davis, man. I really did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When y' all got time, did you know the time was up for first? They 49ers. I'm glad y' all enjoyed that championship. But you're not finna get a right.

[Michael Irvin]

Right, right, right, right. And I was, you know, I had called time. We had talked. Dude, I got time here. He called. When we talked on the phone, I said. He said, michael, man, what is it like? I said, what was that like going from Atlanta to San Francisco? He said, to San. I said, just multiply that by 10. Come on. Give or not. Let me show you. Come on. That's my verbatim word, dog. That joker came that third you. I ain't have been all on the radio prime time party Thursday night. Yo, come on and make me help me welcome him here. Help me get him here. We gonna make sure Deion stand to become boy. The whole city came out, it turned out what, man, you know time is a show. Yes. He's always been a show.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Always been that.

[Michael Irvin]

He's always been a show, man. So you put that show on, man, and I got time. Oh, I was so happy to get him, man. That's my boy. I love him. And. And I was like, man, we've been beating each other up for a long time. Let's join for. Let's stop this mess, man. Let's come on and play together. And then that, that made that Florida thing that we love let me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let's go to some current events. You've been outspoken about Shador and how the Browns have handled that situation. And I've said, look, I ain't say the man should start, but I do believe that he played well enough in the one game. Cause I was in a very similar situation, Mike. I got drafted in the seventh round, played really well in the preseason game. And then I started getting refs with the ones and twos because the coaches wanted to see, okay, he did that against the threes and fours. Let's see what he could do against tougher competition.

[Michael Irvin]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just thought that was the natural progression. I'm not saying he takes all the rep with the ones, but I'm saying, don't you want to see if he could perform at that level with better competition, against better competition?

[Michael Irvin]

Correct? Yeah. Yeah. And that's the process. That's the process of his progress. I want to see that. I want to see now what they did. And honestly I knew they would. What they've done now is put it in a situation. Oh, this is about to be one of the most interesting seasons for the Cleveland Browns that we've ever seen for the Cleveland Browns. The way I see this thing happening and I'm. You call it a prediction. I'm saying this, I'm prophesying. I know it'll go down this way. I don't know. But old Joe, how many he'll play first four, five games maybe. And if this team is zeroing four, one and five, something like that, and know you're not going anywhere or Joe gets hurt, dude, Cleveland is going to be where it's going to be. The first in season quarterback battle between rookies. If I'm Cleveland. I'm almost saying this thing wide open I'm going to get. I'll start dilling one week should do or the next. Do you know how many people are going to tune in and watch this live in season quarterback battle Joe Flacco hurt. Let's find out. And we got to find out which one of these, if any one of these can do it or we're going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To have to go back in the market.

[Michael Irvin]

We got to go back in. This is about to be a very interesting season for the Cleveland Browns. And I believe Shador will get those reps that you were talking about to see if. And once you get the reps I want, make sure you put a game plan together for him. The other day. The other day he had no time back here with those guys. Why are we doing regular drop backs? Yeah, either. Either give him a quick game, right? Just give him a quick game and. And give him a quick game. Even though you don't got linemen the block. Give me some receiver that can work the quick game. Right. Hit give me some movement. You know what I mean? And usually it takes a quarterback two, three years to really learn a quick game where I can take these bad linemen and still make a play. That's Tom Brady stuff. That stuff is going to take you a little time to learn. So yeah, I'm anxious to see what happens with that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I think the thing is Shador, he fell into the thing. And you know this better than anybody, Mike. You're not going to make every play. And sometimes he falls into the trap. He's giving up, bro. You can't give up that kind of ground.

[Michael Irvin]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sometimes a one, two, check it down.

[Michael Irvin]

Throw it away or throw it away. It's really that simple. An incompletion sometimes right there is the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Best thing that you can have.

[Michael Irvin]

But when you playing in desperation, it's just like you said. So. Okay. Okay. So just like you. You a seventh rounder.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Michael Irvin]

So now you gotta go ahead Joker. I know like the old vet that been here for. I know you don't want me to, but I'm about to block you real hard because I don't know if I'm gonna be a better. Yeah. So you can let somebody else get in this game. Because don't ask me to go easy. Cause they gonna send me home. You know what I'm saying? So you gotta have. You gotta work through that because you. He had a different place. Like he's got to try to make a play. Like you Got to try to make a play. Cause I gotta make this team of your first rounder. You threw the ball away. Nobody gonna say that, right? But. But, you know, you in a competition, so. Yeah, that's kind of the balance.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sometimes the incompletion is a good play.

[Michael Irvin]

It's a good play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And guys gotta learn, you know what.

[Michael Irvin]

I want, and they gotta. And that's the part that most young guys have Learned in the NFL. They do. Throwing it away. Zero is better than minus 12.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You go back and look at your. Your team that won. You guys got Charles Haley. You took the next step. You ain't got Deion. You went back. You guys had an opportunity to get Randy Moss in 98.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you get Randy Moss in 98, do you guys get it?

[Michael Irvin]

We do it. Yeah. No doubt. Randy gives me life. What he added to Chris Carter, he should have added here. You know, I had spoke with Randy during that draft, and Randy, we had already started a friendship. I really thought he was going to get drafted here. And Jerry talked about it just because of the stuff that we had gone through here and the way the media came at it, you know, they backed him up off Randy and man, oh, my God, we'd have gotten Randy Moss. That would have been. That would have been the difference. That would have been the difference. Because he was. Boy, he ate us up, too. Every time he played.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, that Thanksgiving Day game.

[Michael Irvin]

Thanksgiving day, he went 3, 163. I'm playing him, you know. See, we ain't get him now. I gotta match up on him. I think I had like 8 for 135. I was like, God, beat my butt in here tonight. You know what I mean? I was supposed to get this dude, man. Kylie, I heard. That bothered me, too. Another one. When you look at the things that you say, the, the Eric Williams car accident.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Michael Irvin]

That cost us one with I, I. Even with Deion in San Francisco with Eric Williams, we win that super bowl, we win that. We. We. We win another super bowl, you know, then you get dm. We could certainly go win those. Those things right there. We get Randy. You know, these are plays that have. Man. Yeah. Yeah, we're definitely. We could have won five in a row. Five, Five in a row. Should have won me six or seven by myself. No doubt, though. I should have won three straight national titles, too, before I got to Dallas. I should have won. I played three straight national title games. I should have won all them jokers, too, man. But yeah, yeah, you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You mentioned the differences between Jimmy and Barry. Jimmy was a guy. He gonna grind you.

[Michael Irvin]

Grind you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He gonna ride you, right? He gonna take you to the limit. He gonna push you, take it right up to the line. And he gonna ask you to look over. He gonna ask you to look over the line. Cause you going to the line now, Mike. You going right up to it.

[Michael Irvin]

You gotta go. You gotta go, oh, that's far as.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can go right there.

[Michael Irvin]

And I was telling you this, that there's a saying that I love that says only those who risk going too far can possibly truly knows how far we can go. You know what I mean? And yeah, that's how we've been doing it, you know. And it's great on the field, but sometimes not so great off the field.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But then you get Barry, and Barry was a guy, you're a professional. You're a grown man. You know what you're supposed to do? Go handle your business.

[Michael Irvin]

And it don't. That's a great thing to say, but it's not a reality in life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Michael Irvin]

In no kind of way. No. Everybody has to be held accountable to what we're trying to do. And everybody's not going to have the same accountability if you leave it to them on their own. So we have to set the standard for accountability.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why they got people at self checkout, because they know you're gonna scan one and put one in the bag, scan one, put two in the bag.

[Michael Irvin]

You know, they like, oh, you gonna try. And people. Most people are going to try to slip a corner if you don't watch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't watch or you don't pin it down.

[Michael Irvin]

Twin championships. There is no corner slipping.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nope.

[Michael Irvin]

There is no shock, no way around it. Nobody can give it to you. Nobody can hope it for you is, will, you gotta go take it. So I can't play with you in the practice because they not gonna play with you in the real. You gotta go get it. That's just what it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mike, why are you on this? And I've kind of gotten away from this. I really never big on this, going back and forth with current players or former players. Because time told me this. He's like. He's like, man, he's like the problem that you have. He said, you're not wrong. He says, but because you have a gold jacket, it carries more weight than when anybody else says anything else about them players. So when you say something about a player, you got a gold jacket, you're credentialed. Because for the longest, it's like, well, what did you do? They can't ask Michael Urban.

[Michael Irvin]

What did he do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got three of them things. He was an all decade player in the 90s. And what number you. I'm 267. What number you?

[Michael Irvin]

232. 232.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you got that. So when you speak, you know what you speak of, people get upset. They call it hating because you can't, you can't have an opinion now. You can't critique a play now, Mike, you hating.

[Michael Irvin]

Right, right, right, right. Because of who you are. And Shannon, that. That's the power of what you do and what we have. And let me do this to be righteous, because I love you, brother. And let me apologize to you here, live while we're on. Because, you know, even when, when the Travis Hunter stuff went down, you know, with this girl, and I was like, come on, man. And then we finally talked about it, what did we do? I said the same thing to you. I said, shannon, I want you to think about that's you saying. Because everybody talking to this girl and saying. I said, everybody's saying stuff. The only one, what I said, the only one he's going to remember.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What about saying, and we gonna need.

[Michael Irvin]

You one day to go lift him up and he's gonna bring back up. Oh, man, you try to talk to my woman, man. You know what I mean? And that's what I was talking about, because you just said it. A million other people can say it, but they got that jacket. It'll go right off his back. But he's trying to get and be you. So he's going to hear it from you. And now you won't ever have the ability to go give him what he needs as he takes his journey, right? And that's what I was saying when I said, shannon, we gonna need you. When I go there, I said, we don't need you, we gonna need you. This brother gonna need you, right? I don't want him to turn an ear off to you, right? You're one of our greatest spokesmen out here. I need you to be. And you didn't do anything wrong, right? But he gonna take it that way, right? Cause I like that you trying to help him, but speaking to his girl, he gonna be like, he gonna protect his girl, you know what I mean? And you know, that kind of thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I told people, you have to understand when you were growing up and your mom or your dad or your grandparents told you not to see that boy or not to see that girl, it drove you closer now you ain't.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now you trying to pull them apart. They gonna band together almost like a Romeo and Juliet.

[Michael Irvin]

Right, right, right, right. So. And then blame you. Cause, you know, like, you did something to it. This generation different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They very different.

[Michael Irvin]

They're different now, you know, I. I told my son the other day, listen, man, I don't want you with all these girls in the house. You know, all these. All these women. If, man. Hey, man, that joke like, Joe, this is my house. I do what I want. My house. I'm telling you what I want you doing at my house. That's what I mean. Trying to. Well, I don't hear that. You can't be doing that at my. You know, this generation. My son Elijah told me one time, I said, like, did somebody take my money out of here? Somebody steal my money? He said, dad, did you take the money? He said, yeah, I got it. I said, I didn't steal your money, Dad. I took it. You're my dad. I can't steal from you. You took my money. That's how they see it.

[Colin Cowherd]

You're my dad.

[Michael Irvin]

What's yours is mine. I can't steal from you. I say, okay, this boy crazy. You know what I mean? But they believe that this generation believe. My dad would have grabbed that belt, but we ain't owing no more money around here. All year long, you can't be. You know, it had been a whole different thing, but this generation different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What do you think about today's receivers?

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[Michael Irvin]

Compare.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause it's different. I mean the game is different. The way you attack the receiver, the way you can attack the wide receiver. The space in which they play in.

[Michael Irvin]

But they physically gifted now some talented.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mother brother boy Mike, you didn't have no one on one. You didn't have no seven. No Cam Newton 707. You ain't have none of that.

[Michael Irvin]

We learned to play in the backyard. They crazy dog. And these receivers in this passing game, it's just quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got quarterback coaches in middle school, in junior high and high school.

[Michael Irvin]

I was telling people we were playing. You had the big receiver in the fast three season. Yeah, not a big receiver.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's the fast receiver.

[Michael Irvin]

They all won, man. And it's so amazing to see the talent and skill set. You got seven footers dribbling basketballs all the way up the floor, shooting. Because everybody now sports have become such a big business now. It's like when you tell your kids, go be a doctor, go be a lawyer, go be an athlete. So you start training 3, 4, 5 years old and they train all their lives. The fat guys used to shake fat. Now they're just, man, these are 350 pound wide receiver looking dudes. Yeah, like Aaron Donald. That's not an ounce of fat on these jokers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at Miles gang. He ain't supposed to be that. He ain't supposed to. He ain't supposed to be that size and bend the edge like that.

[Michael Irvin]

Amazing to see that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't care what you say.

[Michael Irvin]

He ain't supposed to be. Dude, I had him out. Well, I saw Alonzo Spellman. Have you ever seen Alonzo Spelman walk through a locker room naked with all them muscles sitting on top of him? I said, God darn, man. Oh, I would hate to make that joker mad, man. I mean, it's just a physical beast, man and boy. Yeah. Miles Gary. Different, different athletes, they're different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're different now.

[Michael Irvin]

Now the physical skill set. Physical skill set right now. Mentality, they are different. Also. I see receivers now tapping heads on third down coming out the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I ain't never coming out on third down. That's the money. I'm gonna get that ball. They gonna get.

[Michael Irvin]

You can't even play with me. If I see you tap your helmet on third down. Coach, get him out the game. Don't ever bring his ass back. Don't you, you, you leaving now. We third down. Yeah, you wanna. We need to go get these other downs. Right. Right now you can go some next, but you, if you leave on this third down, don't ever wanna. I don't ever wanna play with you again. So. So, so that. So you got all the physical skill set. All the physical skill set. But sometimes I question the desire when I see guys walking off the field on third down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Denzel has some very strong comments to say about them Cowboys. You heard what he said?

[Michael Irvin]

Denzel Washington? Yeah. Love Denzel. Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said. He said, I don't know.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, I heard him talk about Jerry saying all money ain't good money. You know what I mean? I guess when you get up there with the kind of money for me, all money. I guess when you get up there, I can't wait to see that day, you know, I wonder One day we go, I sure like half a bad feedhead. Bad 50. Hey, that's. That's a bad 50 million. Now, I don't know if you want that. Well, let's sit it over here. Anyway, I decided we violated. All right. Right. I don't know about that. All money ain't good money. But I get the gist of what he said, you know, I get the gist of what he's saying. It's about let's get it to the field, let's get back in the championship challenge and everything. And I believe. And he's right about that. He's right about it. And that's why. And I know Jerry does business with. But that's why I thought this time, this time is the right time to get Michael Parson done. Let's not go through what he went through with Dak and cd. Cd? Let's make Michael. I wanted him to make Michael to Patrick Mahomes and his team. I thought that would have been smart, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The expectations, you got George Pickens. Ceedee comes back healthy. Dak says he's feeling good. The only thing really the uncertainty is your defense. But you're going to be reliant on your offense because your best player, three of your best four players, Micah for me, is the best player on this team. But you got Ceedee, you got Pickens, who's coming from Pittsburgh, extremely talented, but, you know, hey, he wasn't getting the ball. He would mope, he wouldn't block. And then you have Dak. What is your expectations for the Cowboys this season?

[Michael Irvin]

I, I what you have to look at this year and especially in this league, the Cowboys probably the last year had those three 12 and five seasons. They were averaging about 28, 29, 30 points a game in those years. They were top, pretty tops in offense in this league. If you could put an offense on the field, you can win some games. Yes, you can put an offense on the field and you can make some plays late, you can win the game. Now, Cowboys have that on offense. The issue I'm having with and when you do go up and put them points on the board now, you just set the defense up to pin their ears back. The best ear pinner you have, you're not even paying. True. So how are you working harmoniously to get to a Super Bowl? So Michael Parsons value went up when you got George Pickens.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Michael Irvin]

Because now every time you giving Dak two receivers, he came away 12 and five. He was in the top offense and you know you got. He has that now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Michael Irvin]

Michael Parsons should have more value because he can get to the quarterback. And if you're Gonna put up 35 points, that's the surprise that I think will hit a lot of people this year. Cause the Cowboys will put up at least 30 points a game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think, I think it was last year you spoke about your wife who's been by your side through thick and thin, a baby. And you said she's going through early onset dementia.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How. How has that been on you, dealing with that? I mean, such a young age. And to see the woman that you've been, she was a cheerleader after you, you met in college. And to see her go through that.

[Michael Irvin]

And with the support that she's given me over the years, you know, my wife, I'm 59, and we recognized some things were going wrong with her about 10 years ago, actually. Really, we thought it was menopause. And you know, you go through it and you started going to the doctor. Now I'm coming off of burying my mother in law. Well, I buried my mom. She had Alzheimer's. My mother in law was living with us because she had Alzheimer's and we were taking care of her and we thought my wife was going through menopause at 49 because she's coming at 50. So in about a year, but a year, year and a half of testing, we find out it was early onset. So we had been dealing with this eight, nine years, you know, going back and forth. And it's been, you know, what's difficult is, you know, you know, it's quite hard to take care of someone 24 hours a day. 24 hours. And she, and she has that agitating all times. And I have to keep a 24 hour nurse with nurse with her all the time. And these people now, you know, she getting angry, agitation all the time. She hit you. They take that nurse out, send another nurse and they put more charges on. I mean, they running a bail up on me. But she, if anybody has earned the right to be in her home. Yes, you know what I mean? And no matter what, she will be in her home. And I have to do it. And it gets hard, but football gets me. Like I'll do what I gotta do all week and then get to go on the weekend and talk football. So well, watch some games, have a good time, and I can come back and do what I gotta do again, you know what I mean? And take care of my wife, take care of my family. But football still, football, playing football brought Me out of the ghetto now. Being around the game keeps me sober and gives me that lift so I can go deal with everything else I need to deal with.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The most touching thing that I took from that documentary is that when you got in that trouble and your wife said, the Lord told me, I am your wife. And whatever else you did, you got to work out that with him. But I'm your wife, and I'm not leaving. But you got to work out what you need to work out with him.

[Michael Irvin]

When you told.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You told a story and it almost like you broke down. It's like that broke me. Everything else I had been through, I thought I was strong enough to overcome. But when I heard of those words, that broke me.

[Michael Irvin]

It's the fight in me, right? I told you about the reptilian brain. I'd rather her fight here. Not physical fight. Cause I've never hit a woman, but I'd rather say, what is wrong with you? What are you doing? How could you do. How could you do me like that? Then I what? I've been taking care of everybody. You know that. That's it. I've been taking care of my family. Your family. I'm going through. You could run to that. Yeah, you could run to that. But she didn't fight me. She says, I'm gonna get out the way. And now she makes that fight between me and me. Now I'm looking, and she just showed me in that moment how much she doesn't deserve. How much I don't deserve her in that moment. And she's saying, she's not going anywhere. What you go in the room and say to that? What do you do? I was hoping she gonna fight me. And we get in an argument, I can walk back out the door and go do some more, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or she said, I'm a Du Bois. Hey, you want to be out there?

[Michael Irvin]

I'm out. Do what you gotta do. Well, I'm gone. I'll go back and do some more. You know what I mean? But when she hit me with that, it was, oh, yeah, boy, you. Oof. Yeah, that was. That was the hardest.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you found yourself alone with yourself, did you ask God, God, what did I do to deserve this woman? What did I do to deserve her? What did I do to deserve your mercy?

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, something like that. Anything. A woman like this. And my mom. My mom, man, she was always like, you know, you meet people as you go through, and my mom would always say, that's a good girl, baby. But she's not the one like That's a good woman, but she not the one. That's the girl. She's not the one. I like her, but she's not the one. Soon as she met Sandy, she was like, that's it. That's the wife. That's my. My wife and my mom were very close, you know, Very close. And me and her mom were very close. Cause her mom put me back together. Like, even when I was out all night messing around, come back home, her mom would say, babe, come on now. It's just the devil that was trying to take our blessings. He said, I got you. Just we gonna get you back on your feet. She would pray, feed me, say, nobody going nowhere. We gonna get you back on your.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's an old school, though. Yeah, that's how my grandparents came up.

[Michael Irvin]

And it happened in today's. That's that village.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Michael Irvin]

When they say you take a village that's a village, they. They're going to look out and take care of you. And sh. She was like that. I love her. Mom and I were so close. I miss her so much, man. She just. She just helped me with everything, you know, she just helped me. But. But yeah, that. That's been hard. And. And that's the thing was, after watching what my mom go through and then us picking her mom up off the floor, even at the house all the time, when she realized. When we realized it was Alzheimer's, my wife, she. She made her promise. I don't want anybody to know. I don't want anybody to know. The one I see, that's why people never found out. I've been dealing with 10 years because she didn't want anyone to know. And how it found out is I brought everybody because I told everybody, you can come live at the house, the big house, just us and you come live at the house, help out. And then her brother and sister get in a fight. They're at the house and I'm working and they're calling me all the time, he has to go, he has to go. Then I had to get her brother to leave, and he didn't want to leave. And I had to take him to court to leave. And then it all came out in a little court because I had to get him to leave right here, you know, and it was just. It's mess. This is so hard on families. It's so hard because every family member loves the one that is sick and they think they know what's best. And you got you arguing about treatment and who's gonna take care of her. And this thing requires. I can't do it 24 hours a day, every day. So I got. I have to get help. It takes an anointing to take care of people. So I'm praying for everybody out here that's dealing with it. And there's a lot of people that are dealing with it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, a child taking care of a child. You can pick the child up, you can carry him around, but you're talking about an adult that's not as easily manageable.

[Michael Irvin]

Correct, Correct.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And like you said, she's at that state where she gets agitated and she fights you back and you try to calm her down. And it's a huge undertaking.

[Michael Irvin]

And with a child, you have hope of tomorrow. I'm doing all of this now, but the kid's going to learn and they'll be able to do it. So you got an end game. There is none here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She's not gonna get better.

[Michael Irvin]

We're going to continue to do this. And so you just gotta keep that support and keep people around her. Like the doctor said, bring as much family around as you can.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Does she recognize family?

[Michael Irvin]

She doesn't recognize anyone. You know, it's so funny. You say that for the first time about three months ago, and I promise you, man, in at least seven, eight years before she. Since she said it, she looked at me, you know, she said. And I held her hands out like, come here, baby. And she hadn't done that in, you know, seven, eight years. About. About six years ago. Six years. Seven years ago, she came, we were in the room, and she looked at me like, what's this in my bed? And that's when I knew, yeah, yeah, I can't be in the room anymore. So I had to go to the other room because she was like, hey, who is this man in my bed? You know? So, yeah, she had to have her own room. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sorry to hear that, Mike.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

You touched on it briefly Rampage Jackson his son Roger into a got into a situation with Psycho Stu and you like he gets on the the Internet. The Internet's a blessing on a curse. Yeah, it is a blessing of curse because you've seen it make careers and you've seen the end careers. And sometimes people perform do performative for the camera. That's really not who they are but they perform for the cameras.

[Michael Irvin]

I mean all the time ain't no sometime. Most of the time. Most of the time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you could, like, if that was your child, I mean, how would you go about it, Mike? How would you handle that? How would you like, man, you know, I thought Rampage, you know, he came out and says, look, I want to apologize for my son. That's really all you can do because the act has already happened. You just hope that people will give him mercy, will give him grace, show him leniency. But there's really nothing. I mean, it's happened now.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah. I tell you what. Now I know they're trying to say all of this and everything, and they told him part of the scheme and all of that. There's a lawsuit coming. I don't apologize. Who apologized to who? Whatever cycle Stu going through. And, And. Cause somebody gonna reach, get psycho suit and say, listen, we got money here. We got. So. So there's a lawsuit coming. I just, I, you know, I just want. If, if, if you're going to be doing all this in streaming and inviting people in, understand you're inviting in their opinions too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Michael Irvin]

So you can, after inviting all these people in, go crazy on somebody else. Cause all these people saying you soft and all that, you know. Cause that's what he was. Look, he be calling me up. Ain't this. Ain't that. Well, you invited them to this show. Yes. You told them that their opinions matter and you allow them now space in your brain and these things happen. Yeah, I think, I think I used to always say, I rather somebody. I rather be around somebody that's. I understand mental illness is real, but I'd rather be around somebody that's really mentally ill than somebody's acting like they're mentally ill because somebody's acting like they're mentally ill or take it too far to prove the point. You know what I mean? And if somebody's mentally ill, you can kind of see it and deal with it and work with it. And I don't know. I don't know about him, but I was like, I'm worried about what I see with that dude. Wait, it's a wrestling match. We all know this is fake. Correct. And that can he hit you with, Ain't no. That gas. That can was already soft and prepared for that hit. You didn't even move when he hit you. It wasn't even that serious. And, you know, I understand. But for you to go after all of that time and well, like that and think that was okay, that's a little crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Michael Irvin]

That's A little crazy. And you might say, well, that's crazy, Michael. We talking about that. We just talked about you cutting dude, throwing all of that. Yeah, yeah, but that was woof. I mean, you just pounded 25 times on this, man. And he's out. That's. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's it been working like with Cammie Mace?

[Michael Irvin]

I love those guys. It remind me a lot of Deion and I, you know, that old friendship that's been around a long time, you got those hidden things to mess with. But they're smart dudes. They are smart dudes, man. I love what they've done and I love the brand because our people spend a lot of time music and sports. So when you start blending those two, you can grab a good audience because that's what we do. And that's, you know, so I love having that opportunity to talk to us, to talk to that audience. I enjoy being with them. Cam.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause of criticism. Cam Newton, when he said Jalen Hurst, he don't think Jalen Hurst is the top 10 quarterback. And everybody now they try to undermine his career. Cam was a phenomenal player.

[Michael Irvin]

Oh, my God.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Won the Heisman Trophy.

[Michael Irvin]

Phenomenal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, are we no longer allowed to have opinions, Mike?

[Michael Irvin]

Yes, you can have an opinion. You can have an opinion, but you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Got somebody else gonna have an opinion on your opinion.

[Michael Irvin]

Right? That's just what it is. And if you deliver the opinion and you come off of anything where people feel you are staying professional and you go personal, then they're going to go personal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Michael Irvin]

And it's just what they may see. You know, every Eagle fan, once you say that about Jalen hurts. Come on, man. Just gave him a Super Bowl.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Super bowl.

[Michael Irvin]

Took him to two. Your game last. So you gonna get some pushback. And you didn't win that Super Bowl. You just gotta get ready to handle that. And you gonna get everybody gonna bring up you not diving on that ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Michael Irvin]

You just gotta be ready for that. And be ready when you go in, you know, Be ready to go in when you go in and understand that's what's going down. That's what's going down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna get you out of here on this one, Mike. Your dad raised 17 kids. You don't nearly have that many kids. What type of father is Michael Irvin? How close of a your father, how he raised his kids are you to raising your kid?

[Michael Irvin]

You raised your dad? My dad was more hard on us. It was more difficult, tough. You know what I mean? My dad would say, when I was a Kid. He said, you know, teach me about being a man. He said, being a man is about making decisions, living, and dealing with the results or the consequences. That's what we gotta do, you know? And so I remember being young and thinking I was slick and said, okay. So I said, well, dad, you know, I think I'm gonna make a decision. Try to wake me up one day. I made a decision. I think I want to quit school. He said, okay, son, let's go. Then he said. I said, I just made a decision. I thought you should be in a man and making a decision. Right? And I said, yeah, that's the decision. The other side of it is the consequences. Let's go. You gonna go to work with me, dude? Dude, I went to work with this joker that first day. Oh. And he was a roofer. Like, we went on the roof.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Michael Irvin]

And laid tile in Florida. Yeah. When my dad died of a brain and throat tumor, I. To this day, I know it was. It was the sun in Florida beating down on his head every. Cause we worked Sunday. Sunlight. Sunlight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but you had to have those ties up. You had to cut those tile upstairs.

[Michael Irvin]

I'm carrying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, on top of the roof. Because now they got a machine that'll ride it up there for you.

[Michael Irvin]

Dude, that's my hands, like. And I had to put on ropes. Pull that stuff up. You had to grab them towel. So he worked me to death. When I went to college, I worked every summer with him. I went to college. I took the pants and the shirt with all this cement on it. Dude, it was on my. On my wall in college. I said, boy, if you don't make football work, that's gonna be work. Yeah, I'm never gonna work that. I was never going to work that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I tell. Kids have a lot of jobs when you're growing up, because it'll tell you what you don't want to do what you don't. But if you can't do that job as a child, when you young and got full of energy.

[Michael Irvin]

Energy. Right, right. As an adult, no time for it. No time for it. So it's a different. And it goes back to what I was saying when we started in our areas where we grew up, we didn't have. I want to be him. I want to be him. I want to be him. Them pants and shirt.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't want to be him. Want to be that.

[Michael Irvin]

That's what I know. I will not be him. And that's how you got it. That's how you got motivated.

[Shannon Sharpe]

2026, Super bowl champ Cowboys.

[Michael Irvin]

2025, the plays in 20, 26. Cowboys got a chance here. Cowboys got a chance. We got a new head coach. And there's so many things you gotta see how he handles in game, right? In game. But in this league, if you could put 25 to 30 points on, you can win any game in this league. And the Cowboys have an offense that can put up 30 points, 27 to 30 points, you can win games.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you re watch America's team, the Gambler and the Cowboys, when you re watch all that, what goes through your mind, man?

[Michael Irvin]

It's. First of all, I'm so glad they showing these highlights, man, because they forgot to replace that bad a brother. Whoa, boy. I forgot how bad I was. I ain't mad at them. I forgot, boy, I'm like, ah, dang.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I did all that.

[Michael Irvin]

Two touchdowns with 18 seconds. What? Shannon, that boy. Hey, boy. God, Leon. Know why we like that? Why? Them highlights, bro. I'm like, whew. Everywhere I go now doing speaking engagements and they play these highlights. Give me a copy of that. I got a copy of all of them. Y' all want all the highlights, you know what I mean? So first, it's always you go through and you go over those moments, man. But people, what I want them to take from it, what I want these current Cowboys to take from it, is what we talked about, the closeness it takes to win championships. I always say this. Football teams and organizations will never win a championship. It's too hard. It has to be a football family. Think about championship teams, man. You in football, you in baseball. Reggie, Jack, Reggie. He can have problem with the manager. Y' all ain't got to get along. You can still win. And basketball, you could probably still win. It ain't happening in football because everything is interconnected and interdependent on one another. So we can't have these strife. This gripe, this division, this division, you can't be. So that's the whole game. If you become this close, this is what it takes to be a champion. And you could talk about all of the talent we had, but you get to see the work we put in and the determination we had to turn it around. And honestly, there's nothing greater when it starts at the bottom and you raise it to the top. That's the greatest journeys that you can take.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Playmaker. Bye bye, dog.

[Michael Irvin]

Love you, my brother.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Appreciate you, my brother.

[Michael Irvin]

All my life been grinding all my life Sacrifice, hustle paid the price, wanna slice got to roll a dice that's why all my life I've been grinding all my life look all my life Been grinding all my life Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price, wanna slice got the roll of dice that's why all my life I've been grinding all my life.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Michael Irvin]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Michael Irvin]

This thing is ancient.

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[Michael Irvin]

Please welcome aboard the Johnson Family. The whole fam's here for the Disney Cruise. So you know we came to play and listen. The adults are gonna have a ball. First we're chilling in the infinity pool, onto massages at Sense's Spa, then gliding.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Into Star Wars Hyperspace Lounge for a toast.

[Michael Irvin]

We're even going to kick back with Mickey on Disney's private island. That's how we get down because Disney Cruise Line is where we came to play. This is an iHeart podcast.