Club Shay Shay - Terence ‘Bud’ Crawford Part 1

Summary

Club Shay Shay - Terence ‘Bud’ Crawford Part 1

Introduction

In the April 23, 2025 release of Club Shay Shay, renowned NFL legend Shannon Sharpe engages in an in-depth conversation with Terence 'Bud' Crawford, a distinguished figure in the boxing world. Terence 'Bud' Crawford stands as the first male boxer to achieve two-weight division undisputed world champion status in the four-belt era, the only male to become a two-time undisputed champion, and a three-weight Ring magazine champion across four weight divisions. With an undefeated record and reigning as the WBA Super Welterweight champion, Crawford brings a wealth of experience and insights to the discussion.

In-Ring Demonstration and Boxing Techniques

The episode kicks off with a lively in-ring demonstration where Crawford showcases his exceptional boxing skills, allowing Sharpe and guest Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) to observe and critique his technique.

• Guard and Footwork:

  • [00:52] Shannon Sharpe emphasizes the importance of maintaining a strong guard, remarking, "Don't do that, bud."
  • Crawford responds with confidence, "I would have caught it," highlighting his defensive prowess.

• Punch Execution:

  • Chad Johnson advises, "When you jab, you want to spring off of that one. You just want to step and slide."
  • Sharpe adds, “But I gotta bring it back. You low with it, you late with it.”

• Protecting the Temples and Chin:

  • Johnson explains, "Chin down a little bit. Get that right there. You wanna protect your chin a little bit." ([03:26])
  • Sharpe notes the challenge of protecting oneself against different body shots: "How do I keep from getting body shot, man?" ([03:50])

• Dealing with Uppercuts:

  • Sharpe discusses the elusive nature of uppercuts: “Because I'm looking, looking. And then... how do you protect against the uppercut?” ([04:58])
  • Johnson advises maintaining position and using angular movements to avoid such attacks.

Personal Background and Upbringing in Omaha

Transitioning from the technical aspects, Sharpe delves into Crawford's personal life, exploring his roots in Omaha, Nebraska, and the impact of his upbringing on his career.

• City Pride and Community:

  • Crawford passionately describes Omaha as home: “Omaha is home. Omaha is special.” ([40:54])
  • He highlights the importance of representing Omaha and providing hope to its youth.

• Family and Early Life:

  • Discussing his upbringing, Crawford shares, “My mom was tough. I used to get whooped all the time.” ([56:19])
  • He reflects on the challenges of being raised by a single mother with limited paternal presence: “My father was in the military, so he would always send money home...” ([59:05])

Challenges and Overcoming Adversity

Crawford candidly discusses the hurdles he faced, both inside and outside the ring, including racial dynamics and familial relationships.

• Racism and Community Dynamics:

  • Surprisingly, Crawford mentions, “Never. Never. I can’t remember one time where I actually can say that I experience a person...” ([45:47]), indicating a relatively supportive community environment in Omaha.

• Emotional Struggles and Anger Management:

  • Crawford opens up about his struggles with anger: “My temper was so bad. I used to have to see psychiatrists...” ([71:49])
  • He credits fatherhood and the influence of his uncle, a pastor, for helping him channel his aggression positively: “I started fighting, but I wasn’t fighting that much. So I was really getting down on myself...” ([72:05]).

Transition to Professional Boxing

The conversation shifts to Crawford's journey from amateur to professional boxing, detailing the challenges and pivotal moments that defined his career.

• Amateur Career Struggles:

  • Despite being undefeated as a pro, Crawford faced 12 losses in his amateur days, which he attributes to the volatile nature of amateur boxing: “Amateurs is amateurs. Anything can happen.” ([83:32])
  • His determination to improve led him to rigorous training and mentorship from influential figures like Tam Bradley.

• Paving His Own Path:

  • Unlike many fighters who capitalize on marquee matchups, Crawford emphasizes his independent rise: “I paved my own way. I didn’t piggyback off of any fighter.” ([86:20])
  • He expresses frustration over missed opportunities, such as a potential fight with Manny Pacquiao: “I wanted to be a world champion to make money...” ([81:03])

Future Plans and Weight Class Discussions

Crawford discusses his ambitious plans to move up two weight classes, addressing concerns about maintaining his speed and power.

• Weight Class Transition:

  • Sharpe raises questions about maintaining quickness while gaining weight: “Moving up 14 pounds, are you still gonna be able to possess?” ([32:35])
  • Crawford confidently responds, “If you can punch, you can punch... I just gotta beat him.” ([33:08]), asserting his ability to adapt and remain effective.

• Vision of Future Fights:

  • Crawford entertains the possibility of challenging top-tier opponents and continuing his ascent in the boxing world: “I want to fight at 168 and stay there.” ([38:10])

Advice and Motivational Insights

Towards the episode's conclusion, Crawford shares valuable advice for individuals facing similar adversities, emphasizing positivity, selecting the right role models, and the importance of perseverance.

• Guidance for Overcoming Challenges:
  • “Always be positive, and you need the right role models to look up to...” ([80:04])
  • He underscores the significance of surrounding oneself with supportive and motivational individuals.

Notable Quotes

• “I would have caught it.” — Terence 'Bud' Crawford (00:52)
• “Omaha is home. Omaha is special.” — Terence 'Bud' Crawford (40:54)
• “My mom was tough. I used to get whooped all the time.” — Terence 'Bud' Crawford (56:19)
• “Never. Never. I can’t remember one time where I actually can say that I experience a person...” — Terence 'Bud' Crawford (45:47)
• “I paved my own way. I didn’t piggyback off of any fighter.” — Terence 'Bud' Crawford (86:20)

Conclusion

In this first part of the conversation, Shannon Sharpe and Terence 'Bud' Crawford explore a blend of technical boxing strategies and deeply personal stories. Crawford's journey from a challenging upbringing in Omaha to becoming an undefeated world champion serves as a testament to his resilience and dedication. His insights offer inspiration not only to aspiring boxers but also to anyone facing significant life challenges.

Listeners intrigued by Crawford's compelling narrative and comprehensive boxing knowledge are encouraged to tune into Part Two of this episode, available on all major podcast platforms under the Club Shay Shay profile.

Transcript

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hello ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay on the road. I'm at the UFC apex right here in Las Vegas, Nevada and the guy that's stopping by for conversation and he's going to give me some pointers on how to throw punches and to have the right technique just in case something pop up. He's the first male boxer in history to become a two weight division undisputed world champion in the four belt era. He's the first male boxer in history to become a two time undisputed champion. A three weight ring magazine champion, a four weight division world champion. He's six time fighter of the year. He's won ten world titles across four weight classes. He's the undefeated and he's the reigning WBA Super Welterweight champion. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, the pride of Omaha, Bud Crawford.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

What's going on?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. See how you let your guard down?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I would have caught it. I would have caught it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, hold up, hold up, boy, you circling me, bud. You circling, bud. You circling. But don't do that.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I would have caught it. Look at that, look at that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't do that, don't do that, bud.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I'm just gonna.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you see. Hey, that's the a, the coat.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

All right, you got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, motherfucker. You good? Good to see you, man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

How you been, man? I've been great.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I've been great all my life.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Been grinding all my life.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price, wanna slice.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Got the dice, that's why all my life I've been grinding all my life.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

All my life.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Been grinding all my life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price, Want to slice, got the rolling dice.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

That's why all my life I've been grinding all my life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You a South Paul, right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm whatever I need to be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on, hold on. Let me get my. Let me get this Orthodox. Come on down. That's the theme.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's the thing. Look, I'm gonna take your right or I'm gonna just so I know you ain't got no left.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

So I'm gonna just.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

How you know that?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Cause you told me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, oh, I lied. I lied.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Look, I'm gonna just take your.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I'm gonna just. Look at that, look at that, look at that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, so here, temple. I gotta protect my temples, right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay, so first and foremost, you two square. You know what I mean? There you go. Now you gotta always know if you right here, man, I can hit you with every punch in the book, okay? But if you right here, you know what I mean? It's gonna be harder. And you slimmer. Okay? You're a harder target.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gotcha.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

All right, now, you, big man, you got that flex, you know what I mean? First and foremost, your elbows out, man. You're gonna be getting hit with body shots and stuff.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

On your toe a little bit, you know what I mean? Just a back one a little bit.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Because when you punching, you want to spring off. You want to spring.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

That's gonna give you a little.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay, a little spring and stuff. There you go. Relax, relax. You know, I mean, then when you jab, you want to spring off of that one. And you just want to step and slide. There you go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, but I gotta bring it back. You low with it, you late with it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah. So, okay, so I might mop. You feel me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So when you.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

When you jab, you want to. Boom.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Just keep it tight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boom.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Don't pull it up too much.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Cause now you're straining yourself.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Just let it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Just let it flow.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You. Boom.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You don't even gotta be hard.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You just let it flow. Let it flow.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yep. Chin down a little bit. Get that right there. You wanna protect your chin a little bit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See Ocho? Ocho talking about protect your temple. See, Ocho, you done got me knocked out. I got a professional here. I know I shouldn't listen to Ocho talking about temple. Protect your temple.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You gonna protect that, too?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gonna protect that, too, but you okay protecting this, but how do I keep from getting body shot, man?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Because, listen, you know what I mean? If you got your elbows in here, if you throw a body shot. Throw a body shot, you just drop them.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

But if your elbows out here, if.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Your elbow's out here, and I. Oh, I can just touch him. You know what I mean? I can just touch you with a little something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boom. Man, you gotta tell me you gonna throw the body shot so I can brace. I can see it. I ain't get the br.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

So when you hear, you just. You just drop them. You just drop them. You just drop them. Because you always want to keep your.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hands up, you know? I mean, that's like.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

If I.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

If I throw a jab. Yeah, you just.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Boom, boom.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You don't want. You want to stop. You don't want to do that. So because you do that, I might fake you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you. That's the fake you talking about. Go. Come over the top.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

See, there you go. Just catch it. Just catch it. Yeah, there you go. But not pulling out. You pulling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Don't pull.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So, so. So let's. You throw. I do this and back, right?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

So I'm. Boom.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm gonna step in. I'm gonna step in and crack you.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

So.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

If you got it here and you just here, you just hear, hear. And then I faint you, you know, Boom. There you go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Getting hit with something that you don't see, right? The punch, the lot of punch, that damn near always gets them out of there is that uppercut? Because it's coming spot. Because I'm looking, looking. And then, you know, Tyson was good and notorious. Of Bam Bam or who else? Lennox. Nice uppercut. So how do you protect against the uppercut?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Well, there's two things that you got to worry about with the uppercut.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, you got to be in close to do it. Now you throw it from distance.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You're right, you're right. But you go get cracked. This is. This is another case where I say you knowing your combinations, okay? You know, and knowing who you fighting and knowing what combinations that they love to throw, okay? Try not to get over this knee.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Which one?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Your front knee.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay? I'm too much over it.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

When you over that, when you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

When you bending down, that's when. That's when the. That's when the knee. Okay, now remember, I said not getting out of position, right? If you in position, it's going to be hard to hit you with an uppercut because you can see it, right? You know what I mean? And if you do get hit, boom, you kind of want to.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You want to get back, you know what I mean?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Or step to the side. So if we here, and you sit down a little bit, you know what I mean? And I come here, just open that.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Boom.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

There you go.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You don't even got to do something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But see, here's the thing, though, see? But you gonna kind of see when I knocked this down.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, I can't counter.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I can't counter what I'm counter with, okay?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

If I touch you with this, you got your hand up, you know what I mean? You can catch this and come over top of me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Can't be teaching you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I can't be teaching.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I can't be teaching. I can't be giving him too many jewels, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, look, look.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Give me two more. Give me some more. He like, give me some more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I can't be giving you too much, Shannon. Cause now you gonna try to box.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And you gonna do the same.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Gonna come and call Jake Paul out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, Hell, no. No, no. I gotta fight somebody that got liberty skills like myself. Somebody. Somebody that's in their 50s, don't know anything about boxing. Okay, you, you, you, you, you like. You fight from the Orthodox. Asy both. What do you feel most comfortable with?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Both.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So, okay, let's just say you fight from. You fight from the south, dance the Orthodox, and I'm gonna fight from the.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Southpaw or the Orthodox.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is my orthodox.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. So you want me to fight for south.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what are you trying to do? Are you trying to stay in? You trying to stay inside? Are you trying to stay outside? You trying to step on my foot?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I ain't trying to step on your foot.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It just depends on what I'm trying to do, okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because a lot of times you get a lot of. You get a lot of headbutts with one guy with an orthodox and the other guy the southpaw. Correct.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I can't.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I can.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I can let you take the outside.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know what I mean, and hit you with some shots. And I can step on the outside and hit you with some shots.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So it just depends on what I'm trying to do at the moment, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm trying not to let you hit me with your power shot.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Which one ain't my power shot?

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you say I'm gonna thank you, you'll left.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Okay?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So I'm gonna hit you with a power shot that's not with the left.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's okay. I don't feel it. Got that same kind of sting, that same kind of venom.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Why do you think that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause I just. I just feel that. Let me see. Actually, this arm a little bigger. Let me take that back. They both.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

They both do what they supposed to do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know, but I think that the right might have a little bit more power.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

They do. They both do what they supposed to do. I'm telling you, if you watch the history, these mugs do what they supposed to do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, you put them together now.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I put them to sleep with left arm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, but what you can do is you can put punches.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Which one you want?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let's see this. A little big. I'm hitting me with this one.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

This one. They be scared of this one.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So this one put them to sleep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but see if your right is bigger than your left. No, you know, yes, it is. Look at it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, my left is bigger than my right.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You see how you. You got hit, didn't you?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the delay reaction.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

That's the delayed reaction that I'm telling you about. What is the. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

All right, so when you hooking, you here, you want to go on.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

That toe and bring that one flat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So this.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So you hear right here. Say you on this back toe. Remember, I told you be on that toe.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know what I mean? But when you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

When you hook, you want to change your. You want to hook from the hips. So when you hook, boom, this toe gonna go up and this one gonna go down. So you hear? And it's gonna go boom. So you can do a 45 or you can do straight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, so.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So you want to be a Mike Tyson. So you want to be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because. Hold on. Because I like to think if somebody. If I'm in the. If I'm a. I'm fighting in the hell, I would be a heavyweight. The guy, he ain't. Ain't no heavyweight your size. Unless Joe Frazier would probably. Joe was about your height.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Oh, sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe wasn't that tall. He wasn't like. Like Ali, the six twos. And now we got the super heavyweight six, four, six, five, you know, six, nine.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So here we here. Come from the shoulders. Relax, Rel. Relax. Come straight from the shoulders.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Boom.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Open it up a little bit.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Bam. But get that. There you go.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So, yeah, so you want to come. Everything you do, you want to come from the shoulders.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Boom.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Just turn it.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Hips.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Use your hips.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I did.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, you got bad hips.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. They artificial. I got hips replacement, but both my hips. All right.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You need some stretching.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You need some stretching. Your hips is like this. Hey, I need a blow right now.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Gotta use your hips.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

When you coming in there, you. You hear, boom.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

And that's where that torque going to.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Come from the hips, your legs all the way up in there. So you square right now.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

So you like this.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So when you here, just bring it straight up tight. Yeah, but use your hip. Turn up.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Boom.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm blowed, coach. You're about five of the motherfuckers in here. He done hit me with everything, you know, with the uppercut, left and right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man, look, I'm sweating. He ain't even broke a sweat.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, it's all good, man.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

It's hot in here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The hardest day, like, when you see, like, watching a fight and you got in the corner, you tell him, bro. Get out the corner. Get out the corner. It ain't just as easy as just, like, walking out the corner, is it? Cause I'm in the corner and, you know, I'm watching fights at home, and I see somebody in the corner and he in trouble. I'm like, bro, get out of the corner. Get out of the corner. But it's a lot easier said than done, isn't it?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Facts. So getting out the corner could be difficult. Depends on, you know, if you hurt or not, right? Or what type of fighter you fighting in. But for the most part, let's say you southpaw, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Let's say I got you in the corner.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. You got three things you can do, right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You can smother me.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

No, not smother me. You can close the distance, right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So it's like, here, let me get up under you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, I mean, you got that? You can grab me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, that's what I mean.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You can grab me.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You can just step around and turn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Step, step. Oh, okay, okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know what I mean?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Step. Step around my feet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you. Oh, really? You told. So you literally tell my step. Oh, and get you in the.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, there you go.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You can step.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But if I'm hurt, I ain't.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But that's what I'm saying.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

If you hurt, you better grab me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know what I mean? Everybody think, oh, man, he a punk. If you grab, I'mma grab you, right?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Bing. Hold up, let me get my thoughts together.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, okay, okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know what I mean?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Then I'm gonna get back to the.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Center of the ring and then, you know what I mean, start all over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Start all over.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You gonna have to work for it now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause you don't let me. You don't let me out of there.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, you wanna do one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Of those when you tired. Another thing, bro. Throw punches, he in trouble. It's hard to throw them punches when.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You tired, bud, man.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

It is.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But you gotta. That's why you gotta train. You know, if you. If you train hard, then you shouldn't have them type of problems, really. Or, you know, when. When you is tired, you didn't train so hard that you learn how to deal with being tired and fatigued, still.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Be able to throw punches, you know.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And still be in there. Throw punches, you know, when you tie is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Does it get more difficult as the rounds go and let's say the pace, because a lot of it is determined by pace. I mean, if it's a fight, you know, and it's, you know, you guys feeling each other out the first couple of rounds and so forth and so on. Now as the pace starts to pick up. Look, does it get harder to get someone out once you start to Start to fatigue in the later rounds.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, for sure. But at the same time, we all done got tired before, but now that's when that second wind kick in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you know when someone's getting tired?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Of course.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can you tell?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

We all can, you know. Well, we can, right? We can, you know, certain things, you know, body languages. And, you know, when you talk, they're.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Breathing out their mouth.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

When you tie up in a clinch, you know what I mean? You can like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, oh, you tie, huh?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, you tie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let them put a little bit more.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Pressure on or they not fighting the same level that they was fighting at earlier, you know, or they just. You could tell that they just trying to pace they self.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You taking all that information in?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, of course.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Different, you know?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You in a street fight, right? Let's go, man. He ain't fight fair.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Ain't no fair in no street fight.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Ain't nothing fair in the street.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Fightle a Brad, whatever the case may.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Be, on a street fight, I'm gonna hurt you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

See, I don't wanna hurt you. I don't wanna fight in the street. I'm gonna hurt you. You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But your hand was deadly weapons, so you can't get in a fight. It's best for you to just like, hey, bro.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Nah, just be like, man, just chill out, man.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Cause I'm gonna fuck you up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm over here, bro. Hey, bro, I ain't on what you owe right now. Just go ahead. Just go ahead. You got it. You got it? Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You got it.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You got it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's because the thing is, that's older.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Me, because here's the thing, bud, people, they look at you, they look at your size.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's the biggest mistake that you can make on somebody. First thing I'm looking for, I'm looking at his ears. He got cauliflower ears. The other joker might be UFC to have you flobbing at everybody. Now, you a meme.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I ain't worried about that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but I'm saying no, bud. See, you got hands like that. Everybody got hands.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I'm looking at your hands and your body language.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, but I see. But, hey, I'm not gonna let you get up on me. I'm looking in the mirrors from a different.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Even if I'm not on you, I'm.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Looking at your hands and your body language. That's the first thing I'm looking at. Because we in 20, 25.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What? What?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What you say?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Ain't nobody fight.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

So you just like, man, listen, man, you good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got it.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You just let him have. You got it, bro. It ain't even like that.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah, you right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You right, bro. You got it.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

And I just leave peacefully?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Then when you come outside.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, if I leave peacefully, I'm getting my car. I'm gone. But that's the thing that I would tell people is that, like, if you get into it and y'all. Once the voices start to raise, buddy, and it's all that mofos and B.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And we close.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I probably already punched you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the thing. Yeah, but you not gonna let somebody close the distance.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm not about to argue with you way over there, though.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

That's the thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, I'm not about to. That's that. We. We used to call people like that. They scary, right? Cause they want everybody to come in and.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Hey, man, y'all need to stop, man. Y'all need.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But if we about to do this.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Like, what you talking about?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And we here. We here.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

We not about to. Man, what you say? Shannon.

[Unknown Speaker 2]

Shannon.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

What's that stuff you said, man? Shannon, I'll beat you up, man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Now everybody gonna break it up. And now everybody.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah, yeah, listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, bud. Hey. I would take two or three of the. More cake blows. How old you think?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Listen, listen, listen.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

All right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

We on the streets. We not we.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Really?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, that's what I want.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You gonna be tired in a minute.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm already tired. What you talk about? Oh, what you talking about? What you talking about? A minute.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

He gonna be tired in a minute.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm already tired.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

He gonna be tired in a. All right, now, Shannon, sit back.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Sit back. Breathe. Now, listen, you did good that round, okay? But you didn't do good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay? Okay, you're right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I see.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I see what you're trying to do, but you gotta keep your hands up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Go back to the bases.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

One, two.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Keep the jab up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Come on, get out there, champ.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How many. Hey, how many more minutes we got coaching?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Hey, get out there. You got another round. Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

All them muscles.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I told you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I told you you was gonna get tired with all them muscles. I told you.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

And see, I'm little.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, see?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

And you didn't get me out of there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now I got you out in the first round.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Now it's my turn. You gonna be rolling around and stuff.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gonna drag me to the deep.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Hey, you gonna be rolling around, talking about I can't breathe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can't breathe. I got asthma like Tommy Hearns had Martin longed up.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Hey, you gonna be talking about you got asthma. You ain't never.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I do got asthma, though. Do you? Oh, see, I see. See, I got exercising deuce abs.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You gonna be talking about I can't breathe. That's how them big dudes be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Put water on my head, Coach.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Hard times. I was broke five on four these days when and only thing that I know fail so many times now. Sick and stand strong. Took so many Ls now the money get out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You was bull jabbing, and I did. I was like, you throw a punch, I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna come back. He's like, man, that's slow ass punch, man. I hit you like seven, eight times.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

All right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So when somebody like that dragged and Florida's good with that, like somebody throwing heat, falling, and bam. Did you. I mean, how do you know what's coming? And then how do you counteract that?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Floyd is so good at timing people and he got speed. So by time, you already threw your hand out, he already done seen it, and he already in motion to hit you.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

So the only thing you can do is pop.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Just brace for it. You know what I mean? So when you out of position, Floyd is good at getting fighters out of position, right? So when you out of position, you know what I mean? You just gotta eat it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What is. There's like. Cause a lot of people say, well, Floyd. Floyd ain't got no power. But if he ain't got no power, why people didn't walk him down? He did something to keep y'all up off him. Facts is it is speed. Is power generated through speed or is it generated through sitting down?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay, both, you know? Cause I can hit you with something fast and you don't see it and you be like, oh, shit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know what I mean? It's like whip flash. Or I can hit you with something that you see, but I sat down on it and it's like, boom. And you like, man, this didn't crack me. You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So it's both, you know, I mean, speed is power, though. But the ones that you don't see hurt you the worst.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's. That's the thing is, it's that. That's what I tell people. Like, what's the hardest you've been hit? Well, I didn't see it. Yeah, I'm going here, and I'm like, bam.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, if I see you coming? I can.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You can brace for it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can brace for it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You can feel the force, and you can know that it was. It was powerful.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, but.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you took a lot of sting out of it because you braced for it. But that one that you don't see.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you in the ring and you like. Because the hardest thing is, is to stay focused once you tire is that. And they. You know, Coach Lombardi once said, fatigue make cowards of us all. So all of a sudden, now you. Because everybody feels good the first couple of rounds. You like. Yeah, yeah, I feel good. Hey, you're doing good, son. You're doing good. You on your toes, you bouncing around. Now we get round six or seven, and now all of a sudden, the punches start to uptick. So Instead of throwing 10, 15, 20 punches, now all of a sudden it's a 30, 40, 50 punch output. Now you got to really stay focused, because when you get tired, that jaw drop, now you're in the middle of the ring.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So how do you stay. Because I think the biggest thing is staying relaxed, because that takes a lot of energy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's something that a lot of fighters struggle with. But being that I'm experienced and I've been doing it for so long, I'm used to it. I'm used to staying calm in the storm. All great fighters is used to it. You got it Comes with experience. I'm gonna just say it come with experience. You know, some fighters you see, they throwing 100 punches around and, you know, they ain't got no look on their face. It's because they've been doing it for so long.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, other. Other fighters, you know, you see them breaking down and falling apart when they get tired, you know, and, you know, that's when the inexperience come into play. When you're tired, you gotta go back to the fundamentals, right? You know, keep your hands up and stick to your guns.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the hardest thing because, you know, doing it. And people like. Man 3 Readers say nothing. I was like, I'll tell you what, just hold your hand. I ain't say, throw no punches. I want you to hold your hands just like this for three minutes and.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Just move around the rim.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it. Now do that and just, you know, just shadow by. I ain't talking about, you know, you gotta throw no power and let me know how you feel. Now do that for 12 rounds and see how you feel.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Three minutes doesn't seem like a long time, but when you getting stalked or you're stalking somebody, that's a long period of time. Because the hardest thing that I found out, bud, that I stopped breathing. I hold my breath. And now here we are, a minute and a half of the race. I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted. So I couldn't. The hardest thing for me is that I couldn't relax, because when I run around, bud, I'm holding my breath. I'm not breathing. Catch the ball, run, I start breathing again. You can't do that in boxing at all.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You can't do that in boxing, and.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You can't say, coach.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Let me take one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, what can I be doing?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, you can't go on the sideline and be like, let me take two plays.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Let me get.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Let me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah. But I love it, though. I love it, though, because, you know, I'm so competitive. It's like, I used to get into it with my teammates because of the wrong things that they was doing or they not working as hard as I am, you know, if I want to win so bad that I'm about to beat you up because you, like, I don't care.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

It's just one play.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, one play can cost us the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, or you missing layups, you know what I mean? Like, that's on the team.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Like, nah, cut it out.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's gonna be on me. Let me put it on my back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At any point in time in your career, I'm not just saying professionally, your amateur career, when you was taught, did you feel that you went into the ring and you weren't prepared?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Most definitely.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Most definitely.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I mean, I lost fights as an.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Amateur for not being prepared, not being in shape, and they just outworked me. I remember, you know what I mean? Going to the corner, out of shape, and I'm like, man, this dude, he couldn't fight right?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he was just better conditioned.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He just punching, and I'm out there trying to knock him out, winging and stuff, and I'm just like, man, I don't never want to feel that feeling ever again in life. Because it's like, for one, it's embarrassing to be this top amateur and you losing to people that you know you should be.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So it's just like, bro, if I'm in shape and I'm trained to the best of my ability, I don't think nobody can beat me. That's just been my motto my whole life since I've been working like really working in the gym. Because when you little, you come in the gym, you hit the speed bag, you play around with your friends and stuff like that. And y'all go to tournaments and y'all just go to tournaments, but when you start getting to that elite level and the amateurs, like, everybody's good, you know, you fighting different styles every day. You, you fighting, you know, I mean, overseas and stuff like that. So it changed my life and my training resume. So everything was like hard. Go, go, go, go, go. And then you start seeing the outcome. It's like, oh, man, if I'm this, this Terrance, right, man, these boys can't beat me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow.

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And then looking at the way Floyd Mayweather trained, that was so inspiring. You know how you know he run from the strip club like everybody think, you know, just cause he out there partying, he don't drink or smoke, right? He'd run from the strip Club. He always working, just working, working. And I just took that from Floyd. Like I just, just work non stop, non stop.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Let back the roof you see the smoke come out the ceiling all my n made a killing what it cost to get a million I'm living life for real can't be out here moving timid. They love to see you feel this get risky by the minute.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What gave Bud Crawford the confidence that he could be a world champion?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

The doubters. The doubters. And my belief in myself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mm.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, I think me believing in myself and the heart that I pose within my chest that I don't care who you is, if you ain't fought me, you can't, you can't nobody tell me you can beat me, right? You know, so it just always being that I had a chip on my shoulder in every sport to prove like I belong here or I'm better than these guys that y'all praising. So I just always carry myself like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You still have that now. You won 10 belts over four different weight divisions. You are two division undisputed in the four belt era, you're the only male that's done that. You still have daughters, you still feel you have something to prove.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Of course, of course.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because they don't believe you gonna be able to do what you believe you can do in September.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Facts.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Facts. And that's the joy in, you know, proving everybody wrong. You know, having the ability to see the look on everybody face when everybody say, oh, man, he's this, he ain't for nobody or he's not that good or he's gonna get knocked out. I've been hearing that my whole career, you know, and then when I succeed, then it's quiet. No, it's not quiet. It's excuse after excuse after excuse. So it's like I didn't fought everybody that everybody wanted me to fight, but then it's, oh, you haven't fought nobody.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Okay, cool.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, I heard that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause when you fought Earl, man, that car wreck took everything he had out of him. So if he'd have fought it three years before that ain't no way Earl wiped the floor. So let me ask you this. In September, are you gonna pull this? I shook up the world. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I told you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Definitely, that's definitely gonna be, you know, I mean, one of the moments, you.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Know, and I just smile, right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Because a lot of the people that personally know me, they know, they like, man, I don't know why they doubting that boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, and it's cool. But I need that, right? I need the. The doubters to fuel me. I need the people to say, oh, well, look at his fight against Majimov.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know, what you think he'd do.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

If he go up two more weight classes? I need that, you know, because that's gonna make me more focused and turn into a different animal. So I need the people to say, I can't do this, or I'm not good enough, or I'm not strong enough, or this person gonna knock me out, because that makes me get up and, you know, turn into Super Saiyan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? As you move up in weight some of the time, they'll say, like, well, you move up in weight, you lose some of the power. But do you feel that you'll still be able to maintain that level of quickness Moving up two weight classes? I mean, that's gonna be 14 pounds. Moving up 14 pounds, are you still gonna be able to possess? Because everybody says, well, Canelo has power. That's his natural fighting weight. You're moving up. That's not your natural fighting weight. You have the speed advantage. So are you going to be able to maintain that speed advantage and still be able to pack a punch?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Of course. You know, I think, you know, if you can punch, you can punch, okay. You know, it may not have the same effect that it did on a smaller guy, on a bigger guy, but if you. If you sharp, you sharp, right? You know, and I don't got to knock him out. I just gotta beat him, right? A lot of people thinking just because a person punch harder than, you know, another fighter, that they automatically gonna win. No, it's a lot of fighters that lost, you know, and they punch way harder than the fighter that they lost to, right? Canelo's not just a puncher. I don't know why that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what people believe, huh?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's just like this. They don't know boxing. They just looking at him being strong, the bigger man, he's a great boxer. You know, people taking away from his boxing skills and just thinking that he's just this puncher, when that's not true. So that's why I laugh, because we not just looking at Canelo as a puncher, we looking at him as a whole fighter, a complete fighter. You know, he can take a punch, he can deliver a punch, he can counter punch you, he can box you, he can. He can punch on you. You know what I mean? Good body puncher. Good, you know, fighter that Got good balance. He's never getting out of position. So we looking at all that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where were you when you decided to say, you know what, my next great adventure? Canelo.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's crazy.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I don't even know. I don't even know where I was at, but it was like.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Like, I'm always willing to challenge myself. Like. Like today with you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know. No, it's just the first thing he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did, he carried me. Oh, I tackled you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's just.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

It's just. Emmy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's just a competitive nature in me. You know, if I was sitting next to Michael Jordan, I'd be like, man, let's play one on one, right? Let me see how many I can score on you. You know, that's just me so accomplishing so much and failing to have the Manny Pacquiao fights, you know, the Cotto fights, and the Shane Mosley that all the other great fighters had. When these fighters was on their way out, you know, that made them, you know, the star that they is. Not having those guys to share the ring with, it's like, oh, man, what can you do to leapfrog those fighters? Why not go up three weight classes? I wanted to go up three. Just to be honest. I didn't want to fight at 154. I wanted to go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you wanted to go straight from 47 to 68?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yes, I did. It's documented.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I wanted to go from 147 to 168 just because I want to challenge myself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And that's. And that's the joy of it. That's the joy of it.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Everybody's like, man, boy, you crazy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You gotta be crazy to think of things.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Cause not a whole lot of guys. I mean, Roy went from 168 to one, and he weighed the heavyweight, and I think he weighed 193 in that fight. So that would basically. I mean, that's 25 pounds that he went up. You'd be going up 20, you'd be going up 21 pounds. And normally guys, like, go up incrementally. You know, you fought it. Cause if I'm not mistaken, I think Sugar Ray and Duran's fought at lightweight at 135, I think.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, no, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did 147.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I know. I know Hagler. I know Sugar Ray and Hagler. Excuse me. Hearns fought at 47, but Sugar Ray and Hagler fought at 160. And I'm like, okay, 147, he go to 154, he go to 160.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

We cool?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, bud. Okay, I like that. But think about going to super middle.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. That's the excitement about it. You know, when I look at it like I always had this mind frame of the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I've been beating up big dudes all my life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause they underestimate your humble.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's just even if they didn't, I'm gonna beat you up. You know I can fight, right? You know, so if you watch like all these dudes bigger than me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, like I don't care. But I'm gonna find a way to win no matter what.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, you win this fight, then what? Who? You. I mean, where you go from there, bud? You can't go back down.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I might go to heavyweight.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Nah, nice. I just playing. I just play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But who? I mean, I mean, I mean once you. Let's just say for the sake of argument. And I'm gonna say, you know, bud, you win this fight at 168, you can't fight someone else. You can't fight anybody at 147. Because everybody will say, why is he fighting?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, I can't make 147 either anyway.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't make 147 again?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

No, it's over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What about 54? Junior middle man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

We're gonna go to 168.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you gonna go to 168 and stay there?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I ain't thinking about nothing but 168.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nothing but that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

168.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is it over after that?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't know. I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna say that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What be left?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't know. That's what I'm saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You would have scaled the seven summits. Yeah, and finished off with Mount Everest.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

We might do a rematch. You never know. Never know.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

How the hell you get the name Bud? How you get Bud out of parents shit?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You asking me? I asked my mom the same question. She said that, you know, when I was a little kid, they used to call me Spud. Okay, like, don't call him Spud. Call him Bud.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay? It stuck.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Ever since I was a baby, they been calling me Bud.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Does anybody in your family call you Terrence, or Everybody just call you Bud?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Everybody call me Bud. Nobody really called me Terrence.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, we got laporte up here. But you don't drink, you don't smoke, and you getting ready for the arguably one of your biggest fights. So congratulations on everything, but we gonna get into it right quick. You're from Omaha, Nebraska. Omaha, Nebraska.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

That's right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you never left. What's special about Omaha?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

To Terrence Crawford, Omaha is home. Omaha is special. Just like any other city that any other athlete came up out of. You hear a lot of athlete and a lot of people say, oh, well, I'm from Philly, I'm from Chicago or Detroit or Texas, whatever, so forth. I'm from Nebraska, I'm from Omaha. And that's what I put on for. And that's where I give the most hope to the youth at.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you ever, when you were growing up, like, man, I can't wait to get out of Omaha? Because you see a lot of people like you come, man, I couldn't. I can't wait to leave this. I can't wait to leave that. But it seemingly, as you mentioned, this is home. It's very special place. And I'm not so sure you ever wanted to leave Omaha.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

No, I just always said, I can't wait to make it from Omaha.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Okay.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Because Omaha is not a hotbed for boxing. Omaha is a place where, when I used to go to national tournaments and we got the Nebraska team, they be like, oh, we got one. Got one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Got an easy one.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Got an easy one today. You know what I mean? So I wanted to change that narrative. Right. You know, I did that 10 times for.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Describe Omaha for people that's never been to Omaha, that doesn't live in Omaha, for the people that's gonna watch this, gonna listen to this, describe Omaha to them.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Well, first and foremost, there's black people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In Omaha besides you and your family.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

See, that's what I'm saying. So let's get that out the way. A lot of people, you know, when you say you from Omaha, they'd be like, it's black people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, Gabrielle Union from Omaha. Malcolm X. From Omaha.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Malcolm X. Great. Warren Buffett. Yeah. You know, Omaha is a place where, you know, it's not as fast as the bigger cities, but, you know, we have the same things like any other big city. We got crime. We got, you know, nice parts. We got to, you know, not so nice parts. Not so nice parts. But, you know, Omaha is a great place that you can raise a family at. It's a nice place to visit, and Omar is where it's at.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To me, you and I was having a conversation off. Off camera, you said, you got seven kids. And you like, man, tell me this. Where would you want to raise your kids? You're like, LA is too fast. New York's too crowded. X, Y, and Z. You said, omaha. That's the best place that I can raise my kids.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

For sure. When I look at cities and I say, all right, would I want to raise my kid in that city in that type of environment? I'd be like, no. You know, I don't want to shield them, but at the same time, I want to kind of protect them from the world. That could be a negative vibe. I like Colorado Springs as well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know, Colorado Springs kind of remind me of Omaha type, type city. But the best thing about Colorado Springs is you can go to Denver and go to a football game and go to an NBA.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause ain't nothing but. Ain't nothing but the Olympic boxing Olympic training facility and the Air Force Academy.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

And the army base yeah, for Carson. But then I can go back, you know, and chill, right? You know, see a. See a. Some deers in the morning, see a bear here. You know, I like the wildlife.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. So describe your neighborhood. What was. What was Bud Crawford's neighborhood like?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Oh, my neighborhood was fun. You had all kinds of kids in the neighborhood.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Was it. Was it mainly black? Was it mixed black?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

It was black.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Mainly blacks running around the neighborhood. We fighting. We been friends. The next day, we all playing sports together. We either on different teams and playing football or we on the same team. We'll all get our paths together and go in the field across the street and be seeing who can run who over. Or we playing killer. Man 2 Way in touch. Or, you know, just being kids, you know, walking around the corner, trying to get on the girls. My neighborhood was fun, but you don't see neighborhoods like that no more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Did you experience racism? I mean. Cause it's just a natural thing people think. Like you said, you're like, okay, there are black people in Omaha. There are black people in Omaha and in Nebraska, contrary to what you might have heard or what you might perceive. So did you. Did you ever experience or come in contact with any racism?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Never. Never. I can't. I can't remember one time where I actually can say that I experience a person, like, calling me out my name.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. Wow.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know, now, bias. Yes. You know, being rude. Yes. But a person like you there, you this and that. Never.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Never. You know, I can't say that. And then for the most part, north Omaha is primarily black.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ever met. You mentioned Warren Buffett being from Omaha. Have you ever met Warren Buffett?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah, plenty of times.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He gave you some great advice.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah, Warren cool. Warren cool. He chill. You know, we sit there, we have little. Little meetings, little little conversations, and he drink his Coca Cola and eat his popcorn and just like a regular person.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know, when people look at Warren, they'd be like, oh, man, this guy is like. Like, so, like, smart, got so much money, but just a regular person like us, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

How has being from Omaha, being from the neighborhood that you're from, that upbringing, how has that shaped the man we see sitting here today?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I think it made me more humble. I think it made me more reserved in a sense of not trying to get all up into the hype. You know, when you see people from la, they all want to be Hollywood. They all want to dress a certain way. When you say way with New York, you know, everybody, oh, I gotta have these on I gotta do this, I gotta do that, you know, and other. Other cities, they wanna be rappers, you know, oh, I gotta have all the jury on. I gotta have all the. The rings and the bling. And, you know, I gotta spend all my money on cars because that's what people like. And I think being from Omaha have kept me grounded to the, to the point where, you know, I'm more business minded than worried about what everybody else thinks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Then when you were growing up in Omaha, did you see. Because a lot of times, you know, in la, you saw people with fancy cars and jewelry and nice clothes. Same thing in New York and a lot of other cities. Did you see anybody in Omaha that had jewelry, that had nice cars, that dressed a certain type of way that you like?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Man, I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Give me some money, I'm gonna do that.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Of course, I think all of us have growing up, but I was taught at an early age, you know, if you can have this car and this car, they both gonna get to the destination at the same time, right? You know, so if you want to spend $500,000 on this car, that's gonna depreciate, right, and it's not an asset. Or do you want to spend $20,000 on this car that's gonna work just as well as this car and cost less to fix it up, then buy you some assets on the side, and then, you know, plan for your future or you can live for now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Raised by a single mom, how much of a challenge was that? Did you notice that, you know, being a single mom and there are probably financial struggles, I don't know, you know, what was, what was your, you know, what she did for a living? But was it hard? Did you know that, man, my friends might have something, or did you go without meals? Did you. Clothing. So what was that, your upbringing as far as being a single, you know, being raised by a single parent?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Well, my upbringing was, was, was, was cool because I had a family that's supportive.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. You know, extended family.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah, for sure. My aunts, my uncles, things like that. My cousins, my mom, you know, was married. You know, my dad was in the military, okay. So he would always send money home every month. But at the same time, you know, sometimes that wouldn't be enough. So I couldn't get the clothes that I want, I couldn't get the shoes that I want. So in doing so, I will always get in fights because people would talk about my clothes, people always talk about my shoes. So I'm like, all right, I done had the jokes, you had the hands on the bus. I had a joke. So, you know when people calling me Darth Vader, calling me oil spill and stuff like that, and then. Then everybody laughing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you would have been the person I punched.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I'd have been like, oh, so it's funny, huh? I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's the thing, what Hopkins tried to figure out. You will get mad at the guy laughing. You get mad. Why the guy. You get mad at the guy laughing.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I didn't tell the joke because you would be the one that drags it out. So say me and you. You my homie, right? You bagging on me. Yeah, you got the right. Cause we friends, right? You know what I mean? But you who, man? Who is this dude?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why you laughing?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

And he just drag. Now everybody else laughing because they laughing at how he dragging it out. Yo, shut up. Not everybody laughing at you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you got into it a lot growing up as a kid?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Hunt and I fought a lot. I fought a lot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you fight in school. You fight outside of school, right?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

When did you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When did your mom say, hey, son, you got to channel this? Let's get you into something that you can channel. This anger. What did you think this stemmed from?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

My dad and I been there, and my mom wasn't the one that got me in boxing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Really?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Really. So the owner of the gym lived right behind me, okay? So me being in the neighborhood, run around the neighborhood bad. He will always try to get all the little kids to do something positive. So he had boxing down there. He had singing, he had dancing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Talent shows. Take us to go sell raffle tickets, you know, so we can have some money. And he was a big, big influence person in the community. Still is still this day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

He acts. He stopped me and a couple of friends that asked, did we wanna box? I ran home like, hey, man, some stranger just pulled up in the bed trying to talk to me, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

He knocking on the door, and when he. When he come in, everybody greeting him. I'm like, this the dude I'm telling y'all about. They like, oh, well, your dad and your uncle box for him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, right. You know, so boxing kind of ran in your family. So your uncle boxed, your dad boxed. Okay. Oh, wow.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that was you, Pre. So you had no choice but to be a boxer?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

For sure. Definitely. So my mom asked me did I want to go, And I told her, yeah, so go down there, start boxing. I get threw out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why you got thrown out?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

So the coach. The coach and me bumped heads because I Was this kid like, you not about to be cussing at me, yelling at me, telling me, get your little badass over there and do them push ups. Like, who you talking to? You ain't my daddy. Like, you ain't about to be cussing at me. So we clash, and he kicked me out. So I'm like, whatever. I come back to the gym, I'm hitting a speed bag. He like, didn't I tell you little badass don't just be hitting them bags without no gloves? And this and that and that and this. And I start arguing with him again. I'm like, man, this ain't your gym, man. This is Carl's gym. And you know you just a coach here, right? So we arguing, we bumping heads, man, he kicked me out. I was out for like five years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Cause I didn't care. I just went to other sports, right? You know? And in 2002, they made these little pamphlets with my face on it, like, I'm some kind of feed your children. You gotta see it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, man.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Hey, man, it goes, CW Needs you. And I'm on Ashley lips it all. And I'm. It's like they try to sell me.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So I come back, you know, I'm like, man, I'm not boxing, man.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

So everybody's just all trying to get me to come back, right? My guy, Rosendo, he Mexican, he was. Was boxing at the time, and he was running through all the little kids in the gym, and they like, man, when you was here, you was the baddest little. Little kid in there, right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Man, we got this little Mexican down.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Oh, called the body snatcher. He dropping everything. And I'm like, man, I don't care what y'all talking about, man. I come in there and whoop him.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So we going back and forth, and.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

We got this thing called family night that we throw to raise money for the gym. And they like, well, we got family night. Come down there. I'm like, what? I come down there. They like, ah, man, you ain't coming down there. You scared. What I'm scared for? So they basically challenged me to come back to the gym. So I come down there, he getting out the ring, he had already sparred. I was mad. I'm like, man, I come all the way down here, and he already getting out the gym. I didn't see him fighting on nothing. They like, what? Come back to the gym. So I come back to the gym, I'm like, all right, let's spar. And me's like, all Right, Bob? You know what you gotta do. I'm like, oh, man, here we go again. Here we go again. Here we go again. But I'm older now, so I'm like, all right. So then I started training, and I've been back ever since.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you take back over the gym? Old boy drop you?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Of course. No, he ain't dropped nothing. He knocked the wind out of me. He didn't drop that. But we always compete, right? And, you know, that definitely took me to the next level.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your story is very unique because you grew up in a very matriarchal. Mom, grandma, aunt, sister. What was that like? Because you said a lot of you believe a lot of your troubles stem from not having your father there, not having that dominant male figure for the time being until the boxing coaches came into your life. So what was it like? So your mom. I mean, normally, sometimes, you know, like you said, you know, you do it. It's something about a father's voice. That sternness, that firmness that, you know, that you like. Okay, he mean business. Ah, mom, you play. I'm gonna go on and do what I wanna do. I don't believe you.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Nah. My mom was tough.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Was she?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Man, I used to get whooped all the time. You know what I mean? My mom wasn't having it, you know? But the thing is, it was hard because I didn't have no brothers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know, I had older cousins, but I didn't have no brothers. So in the household with just you and your two sisters and your mom at work, and your sisters really don't like you. They really ain't messing with you. And it's like you just sitting there like, man, what I'm gonna do? Like, you know, every time I go in there, I'm getting beat up because they don't want me in their room. I can't say nothing to them. Cause they think I'm bothering them when I'm really bored. You know what I mean? I'm trying to talk to somebody. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just don't want somebody to have a conversation.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

So it's just like, all right, man, I'm leaving the house, right? So then it got to the point where I started leaving the house. My mom asked me, where you at? I'm at the fishing pond. I'm fishing, right? I'm getting in trouble. I'm shooting pavilions up with BB guns and things like that, Getting in trouble. And, you know, that's when the trouble started.

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[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Transitioning from me just sitting in the house to me being outside.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. You say your dad was in the military. How often did you see your dad?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

My dad used to come, like, probably once, twice a year. Cause he'd be out to sea for like six months.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow. So he's in the Navy.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mm. Do that also shaped you?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I used to flip out when you see man when he leave. Oh, so. Cause it's crazy. Cause my dad, like, when he used to come home, he used to be home for like five days. That's it, man. You going for like six months at.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Home for five days. I figured at least two weeks because.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

He lived in Virginia.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know, so he lived in Virginia and we lived in Omaha.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So I used to flip out.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

It used to be so bad where they used to take me out of school to go send my dad off because I flip out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know, did you ever want to go with him?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you Ever want to go back to Virginia with him?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your mom said no?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Nah, she ain't about to send her kids out there. So we actually did go, me and my sister.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know, my mom was like, all right, forget it. You know, here. TT and bud, y'all wanna go out there so bad. My other sister, she don't care. She don't care about none of that. So we go out there and they had a hurricane. It was bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know what I mean? And tore up the trees and stuff. We didn't have no lights, no water, no nothing for like, man, two weeks. But it lasted for like a month and that two weeks. My mom was like, man, send my motherfucking kids back home. So then we moved back home, Right? We ain't never go back to Virginia.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you think you would have become the Bud that we see here today had your father been in your life? Because it seemed like a lot of times chaos and turmoil shapes us into the people. We don't see it at the time, but a lot of that, that anger and what you had, you was able to channel it, you was able to focus it and become a multi world champion.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How different do you think your life would have been had your dad been there every single day?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

How I think my life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. How different would your life have been now?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Definitely different. You know, I definitely think I'll still be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You still be a world champ, but.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I think, you know, I mean, I'd be more successful in life. Really? Yeah. Like, my dad was, like, way different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Really?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah. Like, I think I got in more trouble being that he wasn't there. Because when I got to a certain age, it was like, mom, you ain't whooping me no more. You had to put that belt down. I don't know what you raising that belt for, you know, and being that my dad never whooped me, right. You know, he always talked to me and gave me a solution.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know, you're like, hey, T, why you doing that? You know, he always wanted to know why, right? My mom, she didn't care. She was just like, oh, so you wanna do this?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you think you a man?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Ho W. So it then got to the point where I go to school, you say something I don't like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn, bully.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Cause that's when I was taught as a kid, right? If I said something that my mom didn't like, I was getting my ass whooped, right? If I did something that my mom didn't like, I was getting my ass Right. You know what I mean? So every time it was something negative, I was getting my ass whooped. So I carried that on in my life when I was with my peers, right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Say something. Oh, really? Because that's all I knew, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did, did you feel your mom, did you feel like it was excessive? Did you feel your mom sometimes whooped you for no reason? Because you said that sometimes you would just say stuff and it was, boom. If you did something, boom. You like, damn, mom, I can't do anything. Do you feel like you couldn't do anything right?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

No. No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You feel like you deserved every ass whip?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hell no.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Hell, there was a lot of times that I ain't even do shit. My mom be like, oh, I know your ass was gonna do something. But the crazy thing about it is I'm a mama's boy, right? You know, and my mom, like used to shield me from everybody. Like, nah, he ain't going nowhere. Like he, he, he can't go, right? But like, why? Like, nah. Because everybody was like, I was bad. So she always be like, nah, you gonna stay here. You know? Cause my mom prayed for me. She used to always say, I always prayed for her because my two sisters is light skinned. I always pray for a black son. I want the black son. You know, my dad, my dad light skinned my two sister, light skinned. I'm her black son. She always like me and my mom was like, like that. But when my mom and my dad started getting into it, that's when she, you look like your dad, you just black, you know, I mean, so it's like my dad get me in trouble, you know what I mean?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So you know what I mean?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

But my mom, that's my heart.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you were growing up, did your mom tell you she loved you? Did she hug you?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

No, no, she ain't, she ain't all that. She ain't all that, that love and all that stuff. Nah, it was tough love.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you had a roof over your head, you had food, that clothes. That's love.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

So. Yeah, ain't no, ain't no love she been through. I, I asked her, I'm like, man, what's up? Why you don't ever tell me love? She just said, man, I don't like that word. She like, I've been through a lot and in my life and you know what I mean? Love, Love hurts.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you remember the first time she told you she's proud of you?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

It was when I been grown. It was probably like 20, 17, 18.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn, bud, that's recently.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Hey, no, for real. Like, my mom is not affectionate.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know what I mean? So she not about to be, oh, I love you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hugging you and stuff like that.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Nah, she ain't. All right. You do something. All right, I see you go on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

About, did that motivate you?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Of course.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because a lot of times, people, a lot of times we want that. We want the person that validation from, the person that we respect and love the most. We just want to hear one time, I'm proud of you. Damn, I love you. You doing good. Is that what you sought from your mom?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Of course. Of course. Everything that I did, like, when I started doing right in school and not getting kicked out, she, like, by time. Like, damn. Like, my sisters, they get put on this pedestal, right? You know what I mean? She made the honor roll, and it's all right, Mom. I got A's and B's. You in the alternative school. I'm like, God damn. You know what I mean? You supposed to have good grade.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Good grade, right?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

So, yeah, but for sure, man. Like, I used to get into it with my mom and be like, one day, I'm gonna be champion of the world. Watch, watch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you told her that, what did she say?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You ain't gonna be shit. She be like, you gonna be just like your daddy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

So. But. But the one thing that I noticed, like, when I come home, you know, and I had that belt on my. On my shoulders, you know, she. She'll have that belt, and she'd be telling everybody, look what my son won.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Look what my son won.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She never told you, but she told everybody else through her actions how proud she was of you.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah, but I wanted to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You wanted her to hear you tell me. Yeah, yeah.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Don't, don't, don't, don't floss my belt. You know what I mean? Come and praise me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know? So I just looked at it like, you know, my mom loved me, like, wholeheartedly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

She just used that reverse psychiatry to prove her wrong because she knew that's what I needed to be successful.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I read that your mom used to pay the kids in the neighborhood to beat you up.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

She tried. They couldn't do it to try because, like I said, it was a neighborhood full of kids.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Right. So we'll all be outside, you know, boxing and putting the gloves on, just like any typical neighborhood. And my mom knew that I was one of them tough kids, right? So she, hey, if you can whoop them, I give you $5. You know what I Mean, anybody get paid? Ain't nobody whoop me. You know what I mean? Because she just knew her son was tough, right? Coming from a boxing family, she wanted to challenge me, you know, so she'd be like, hey, come here. I give you $5, you can whoop them. And that made them fight harder.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So were any.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Were the kids bigger than you? Were they older than you, or were they about your age?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Both. No, I had kids that was older than me, Bigger than me. You know what I mean? My age, it didn't matter. It didn't matter. When you a kid, you just throw the gloves on and you just go, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now all of a sudden, you make that decision, okay? You say, you know what? You've given up the other sports, football, basketball, boxing is gonna be your thing. Do you remember your first fight? Do you remember getting in the ring the first time? Whether it's Golden Gloves or whatever the case may be, the amateur fight. Do you remember getting into that ring the first time? And what was going through your mind?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Nothing. I was so like you that locked in. I had confidence. I won the first tournament that I came back to, and I was a ringside national.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I won that whole tournament. And I had just came back in 2002.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. Wow. So now, okay, boxing is it. Because once you got that adrenaline high, you won the whole tournament. It's over. Ain't no turning back now, bud. So now you put. Shift all your focus into boxing. You said, this is what I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be a prize fighter. I'm gonna be a professional fighter.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Not yet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not yet. Okay?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Not yet. I always said I was gonna be a world champion, but my mind wasn't there yet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know, I lost in a Silver Glove Nationals, and I lost to Michael Dallas Jr. And I remember me trying to. Trying to fight him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

And he just outboxed him. You. And I'm like, man, stop running. Stop running like I want to fight. And then he fought Rasheed Warren the next day, and he lost. And Rasheed Warren, like, everybody was around the ring and they was just going blow for blow, and Rasheed hitting him with all these hooks. And I'm like, man, damn, that nigga would have fucked me up. So right there and there, I'm like, man, I gotta get better. So seeing all the talent in the tournament, I'm like, man, I gotta get better. So I go to the gym and I just train, train, train. And Rosendo, you know, he had just beat Danny Garcia, okay? You know, Danny Garcia stormed the ring. And every tournament, Danny be like, where your boy at? Where your boy at? You know, when we got a little older, but I was just like, I gotta get better. So every day I'm competing with him, right? You know, because Danny was a top amateur too. I'm competing with him. He running, I'm running. He doing push ups, I'm doing push ups. He doing pull ups, I'm doing pull ups. So I'm competing and I'm traveling the world and I'm like, man, I can make something out of this because I'm hanging in there with these top kids from around the world.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Boom. I get in a fight. I had to have surgery on my hand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold up. Not at a boxing match, a street fight, outside of the ring, in school, okay?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

So boom. And that just stopped me. And they was like, man, you can't box and for some months you gotta wait till your hand heal. I'm like, man, nah, I can't do it. So at that time, I was already going southpaw, right? But my left wasn't that strong. I was just going in because it just came natural to me. So I was just like, work on your left.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you're not a natural southpaw. Nah, you taught yourself, right?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

So I was just like, this is your weakness, you know? So I just started working on it and then I've been focused ever since.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You had. I want to know when did you realize? Because sitting here talking to you and we talked in the ring earlier is that it seemed like you had a temper, right? And the one thing you can't have if you're a professional fighter is a temper because you can't get outside of yourself. How did you learn how to control that? How do you learn how to focus and says, okay, yeah, I'm upset, but let me channel this aggression. Let me use it for what I know it can be beneficial for me.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Oh, man, I don't know. Like, my temper was so bad. I used to have to see, like, psychiatrists and strengths and stuff like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn, bud.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I used to flip out, man. It was worse. I got kicked off the USA team, having fights overseas and stuff against other teammates and, and getting into it with my teammates and stuff like that, it was just, I don't know, I was just a no nonsense type of guy, right? I just didn't care. Like, you know, I honestly think when I had my first son, you know, that changed my life. And I started looking at life different because, you know, you had something to live for. Yeah, There you go. I had something to live for. And I stopped not. Not caring. I started caring a little bit because I. I looked at my dad and my situation like, I gotta be there for him because my dad wasn't there for me. So that's when I sat down, told myself, man, you gotta control yourself. My uncle is a pastor, so he just put it in perspective of God, got something bigger and better for you. You know, you got a bright future. So you got two ways you can go. You can go the right way, or you can go the left way, Right? He just gave me an option. I was just like. I was sitting there and I was just mad. I was just like, man. And then I was just like, man, all right. I started going to church a little more, and then I started fighting, but I wasn't fighting that much. So I was really getting down on myself because I'm like, man. Man, I'm not getting no fights. Like, I gotta go back in the streets. I gotta hustle. I'm like, man, what I'm gonna do? You know what I mean? I'm like, man, I told both of them. I said, man, I'm about to quit boxing. I like, man, boxing ain't paying me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't put no bill, ain't put no food on nothing.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah. And it's like God just started making things happen. I went to training camp with Tam Bradley.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know? And that's the start of everything. I sparred Tim Bradley, and he like, man, you ain't no sparring partner. I'm laughing. And he was like, man. He looking at me like, no, no, real talk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You not a spar. You a world champion.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

It's like, you a world champion. And I'm like. I'm like, man, I just want to fight, right? He like, so they not giving you no fights. When the last time I said, man, I already fought, like. Like, two times. And f. Two years. I'm like, I probably fought two, four times in four years. Two years.

[Unknown Speaker 1]

Wow.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

And they was four rounders. So I'm really not making no money fighting for pennies and stuff like that. I'm like, man, I can't be training boxing and, you know, not making no money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to make sense.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah. So it was just like I told Bob, man, I'm about to quit. So they called Bo. He sent me down there, talked to Tim. Tim called our manager up, and he like, what y'all gonna do with him? He was like, cause I'll buy him out of his contract right now. He was like, y'all don't know what y'all sitting on. Y'all sitting on this dude. And this dude is cold, right? So Cameron was like, don't nobody wanna fight him. And he can't get no fights. And this and that and that and this. And so I went down to California. I was supposed to fight on a Golden Boy show. They was gonna sign me. The guy comes to the weigh in and say, man, that's Terrence Crawford.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I know him.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I know him from the amateurs. He was ranked number one. I'm not fighting him. Damn straight. Like that. I done made weight and everything. I'm at 135, and I'm like, man, he like, I'm not fighting. He left. He left. So I'm stuck with no opponent. They ain't gimme no money. So the guy at 140, they had assigned this guy, so they had all this little money in him, and his opponent didn't even show up. So he's undefeated, but he fight at 140. I'm undefeated. I fight at 135. I go to Gomez and I'm like, hey, put us. Let us fight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I fight him.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know what I mean? I fight him and he like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm like, whoever win, get the money.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Get to sign you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Sign him, okay, he already signed with you.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

But if I win, you sign me, and if he lose, you cut him, right? They like, no, we got too much money in him.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And I'm like, all right, cool.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know what I mean? Send me home. I don't even want to watch the fight. Send me home. So they send me home. That's how I got with Tyrant, you know, Tyrant gave me the opportunity, and it's been up ever since.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow. You know, we were talking in the ring earlier today why people don't tussle no more. You know, back in the day, people just know, hey, you took a ass whipping. You took a ass whipping. Now ain't nobody trying to take no ass whipping. They gonna let them things off on you.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know why?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Social media, really. You know, back in the days, if.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You wasn't there, you know, you get somebody who lost.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah. A person could be like, man, I whooped him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was bleeding, lying his ass.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

He was bleeding, but he whooped you, nigga, I wasn't good here. But now, you know, social media then came to a point where it humiliate a person forever.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know, they always can bring up that. Man, listen to this. Remember, you got you're mean. Forever mean, you know? And can't nobody just take a L no more. Don't nobody want to take an L. Right. They ain't even worried about even the thought of them fighting on the streets no more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Like, man, I'm about to shoot you. You know, you got kids that's like 11 years old, carrying guns, talking about, man, my opps. I'm like, bro, you supposed to be in school.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

You know, and what make it so bad, they gonna knock you off and they gonna go to this little juvenile detention center. They gonna get out and they gonna be like, hey man, I caught a body when I was 11. And they Scot free. Because they not programmed. They mind. Their brain is not developed enough to give them life, you know, and they only doing what they see and they hear and what they told to do. So they following behind these. These young adults that's having these parents. I mean, these kids at a young age that don't talk to my kids like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Don't say that to my kids. Don't correct my kids. Because they're not your kids.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

So they let their kids just do whatever they want, you know, because they did whatever they want. And then that's how the society.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Cause when I was growing up, the community. Cause you know, it didn't have to be a relative. You acting up. Somebody that was older than you could tell your tail up and then go home and tell your grandma, your mom, and you get another beating. Now exactly what you said. Don't talk to my child. You're not his dad. I said, okay, you don't want me to correct him. There's somebody. There's a place that they'll send him that he'll get corrected.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

There's no respect. When you look at today's world, the older people is kind of scared of the younger people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Because the younger people is trying to make a name for themselves, you know, they. It's not. No. Oh, let me respect my elders.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

It's like, man, if you don't get your old ass out of here, that's exactly lay you down, you know, And. And it wasn't like that back in the days. It's like, hey, man, chill out, man. All right, all right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You mentioned that all the things that you went through and that you talked to people about the anger issues and the trauma. What would be some of the advice, Bud, if you. If somebody was going through something very similar to what Bud Crawford grew up in, an environment and what he had to Deal with. What was some of the advice you would partake on these.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I just tell them, you know, always be positive, and you need. You need the right role models to look up to, you know, and the people that's gonna come down and grab you by the wing and, you know, show you. Show you the ropes. You know, I think those people is very important because I had my coaches, I had my uncles and things like that. If I didn't have certain individuals in my life, I don't know how my life would have turned out. So I'll just tell them, you know, stay positive and pick and choose who you hang out with and who you allow your kids to be around, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is it true that you didn't want to. You didn't want to fight in the Olympics?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Never.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Because that never was my dream. You know, I always wanted to be a world champion, right? You know, I never wanted to be a Olympic gold medalist. And I want to be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And a lot of people. It's the other way around. A lot of people, like, I want to be a gold medalist. And then they parlay that. You look at Sugar Ray, you look at Ali, and you look at Frazier, you look at Foreman, and you look at a lot of, you know, Mark Breland, the 84 team, I don't know how closely you follow that was the greatest boxing team ever assembled. Mildrick Taylor and Sweet Pete Whitaker and all those guys. So that's odd that you said that.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I'm a leader, not a follower, so I never want to be like nobody else. I wanted to be a world champion, right? I wanted to go make money. When I look at the Olympics, you get, what, a couple of hundred thousand? If that. When you look at. I always envisioned, but I was wrong. If you on tv, you making all this money and all this, it ain't true, huh? It wasn't true. You know, but when I got to a certain level, then I started making the type of money that I thought about be making. But I always thought being on TV got you paid. Yeah, yeah, got you paid. But it wasn't true. Because when I was coming up, I was mad because I seen all the people that graduated from the amateurs into the pro ranks was all on tv. Danny Garcia, Danny Jacobs. You know what I mean? All these fighters getting they shine. And I'm like, man, these people can't even. People that wasn't even close to on my level. I'm like, man, this dude. How you get on tv? And this dude ain't even close. Look at this dude. I will be so frustrated that my career wasn't going the way you going away. Yeah. And I always put in the work. Work. You know, it don't matter what it. Anybody could tell you, I'll be in the streets with the homies, and I'd be like, all right, y'all, I gotta go. I'm riding my bike to the gym, or I'm getting a ride to the gym. I always made it to the gym. No matter what. I don't care what we was doing, you know, I always made it to the gym. That's why I always say I always put in the work. But I didn't see the results until God said, it's time for you to see the results, you know, so it was tough. Like, I never wanted to be an Olympic gold medalist. I wanted to be a world champion to make money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Explain this to me. You undefeated as a pro. You had 12 losses in the amateurs.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

How the hell that happened, man? Amateurs is amateurs. Anything can happen. You know, I lost my first two fights, you know, when I was a little kid then, you know, losing in national tournaments and things like that. It happens. Losing, not being in shape, losing fights that, you know, I mean, because you from Omaha, Nebraska, and this guy from a bigger city, by one point losing, one point here, one point there, you know, it's politics. Politics plays a big factor in and amateur boxing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why didn't you become frustrated and give up?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I wanted to, you know, but my coaches, like I said, they kept me motivated, you know, Bo always tell me, man, hey, bro, man, just keep crying. It's gonna get greater later, you know, don't give up. You know, and me having the faith and the belief in them, you know, and trusting the process, I just kept going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You wanted to fight Manny Pacquiao. I think you were like, 27, 28 when you wanted to fight Pac. Why didn't that fight happen?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

I don't. Man, I hear so many excuses like, they didn't want it. But Freddie Roach on the record saying he didn't want Pacquiao to fight for one. And I just think Top Rank wanted to protect Pacquiao because of the money issue. You know, that was their cash cow. And, you know, but, hell, you could.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Have been the cash cow.

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Listen, they don't think like that, you know, so they didn't. They didn't want to mess up the money that they was getting, right? Pacquiao at the time. So other. Other reasons, I don't know, what way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Were you guys gonna fight at 140 140?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Yeah, 140. So I fought Dairy Genie and they said, you know, that was the marketing tool. Crawford beat Derry Jean. He's gonna, you know, potentially fight Manny Pacquiao. Derry Gene was one of Pacquiao's sparring partners. I stopped Derrick Gene. It was like, ah, I don't know if I want to fight him. So I had to move on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you believe you? The bet, had you fought Pacquiao, done what you done, what you thought, think or know you could have done, do you think that would have sped up the process of Bud Crawford being in the position that he's in currently?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Of course, of course. Like I said before, you know, I didn't have the Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto, Sugar, Shane Mosley and those guys that was marquee names in the sport of boxing to, to pass the torch. Nobody passed the torch to Terence Crawford.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You took it, huh?

[Terence 'Bud' Crawford]

Right? When you look at, when you, when you look at my career, I paved my own way. I didn't piggyback off of any fighter. You know, I fought my way up to the top. When you look at, you know, any, any fighter from Floyd Mayweather to any of them, when Floyd fought De La Hoya, you know, that was a whole big thing. He wanted to fight De La Hoya, but Top Rank didn't want to give him De La Hoya really initially. But when they met up, you know, Floyd was the B side and, you know, he beat De La Hoya and then he started rising to the top.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two is also posted and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listened to Part one on, just simply go back to Club Shay Shay Profile and I'll see you there.

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