Club Shay Shay - Tyronn Lue Part 2

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Tyronn Lue Part 2

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Host: Shannon Sharpe (with Colin Cowherd guest hosting)
Guest: Tyronn Lue (Head Coach, LA Clippers)
Date: August 27, 2025

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Episode Overview

This dynamic, wide-ranging episode of Club Shay Shay features NBA Champion and LA Clippers head coach Tyronn Lue for the second part of his conversation. The discussion, led by Colin Cowherd in Shannon’s stead, dives deep into Lue’s journey as player and coach, iconic moments of his career, his philosophies on leadership and coaching, the intricacies of team building, and behind-the-scenes stories from the LeBron-Kyrie years in Cleveland. Candid, insightful, and at times hilarious, the conversation bristles with stories of championship stakes, NBA politics, and the burden of expectations.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Paul Pierce & Scorers’ Confidence (02:27)

• Lue comments on Paul Pierce’s viral claim to being the 'best pure scorer,' offering respect for Pierce’s confidence while keeping perspective:

  "Just because Bron's great don't mean KD isn't great. And Pete Pierce was a great scorer… footwork, post on the elbows, catch and shoot threes..." (02:27)

LeBron James’ Greatest Era Debate (03:15 – 06:40)

• Extensive debate over which LeBron era was his peak—Miami vs. second stint with the Cavaliers.
  • Lue details the infamous Game 6 against Boston and the “look in [LeBron’s] eyes.”

    “We didn’t think he’s gonna get 45…" (04:37)

  • The 2018 Cavs playoff run is recognized for LeBron’s sheer dominance.

    “That period, 15 to 18, that might’ve been his best basketball." (06:40)

Could LeBron Play in the 90s? (06:48)

• Lue refutes claims LeBron wouldn’t have thrived in previous NBA eras:

  "If you're great, I don't care what era you play in, you're gonna be great." (07:18)

On Becoming Cavs Head Coach (07:42 – 12:39)

• Lue reveals turning down initial offers to join the Cavs’ staff and the surprising salary escalation that sealed his move.

  “...they offered you a million dollars … I said, well, what they offer? Say they want to offer you a million dollars a year…” (08:19)

• Emotional recount of taking over midseason, facing doubts and accusations of undermining David Blatt, and how player support steadied him.

David Blatt’s Fit in the NBA (13:40)

• Lue analyzes Blatt’s challenges adjusting from European coaching to the NBA:

  “In the NBA, the players are the face of the team... his offensive system, like, was great... but it didn’t fit.” (13:40)

2016 Finals: Cavs’ 3-1 Comeback (15:37 – 18:49)

• Lue describes his unwavering belief the Cavs could win, even down 3-1:

  “I swear to God, I thought that we can win. Like, even we were down 3-1, I thought that we could win.” (16:08)

• He breaks down the critical adjustments made defensively and the psychological handling of the team, e.g., not showing film sessions after losses.
• Notable anecdote: focus on mental health and confidence-building in adversity.

Game 7 Halftime: Calling Out LeBron (18:59 – 22:10)

• Lue recounts calling out LeBron at halftime for needing ‘more’, sparking LeBron’s dominant close:

  "Bron, what you gonna do, man?... You got to guard Draymond better. Score the basketball, stop turning over, be aggressive." (19:19)

Iconic Moments from Game 7 (23:00 – 26:09)

• Strategic nuances: defensive switches, preparation, using ‘ATO’ (after-timeout) plays Cavs “never used except in Game 7.”

• Behind-the-scenes: Lue hid playoff money in the ceiling as motivation for returning for Game 7, a trick learned from Doc Rivers.

  “Everybody give me $200... we coming back for Game 7 and get our money.” (27:34)

LeBron’s Future & Impact on NBA Movement (29:06 – 32:47)

• Reflections on LeBron’s impacts on player agency and speculation on his future (return to Cleveland?).
• Lue suggests LeBron’s scoring record will remain out of reach.

Kyrie-LeBron Breakup & What Might’ve Been (32:47 – 35:10)

• Lue believes if Kyrie and LeBron stayed together—or if KD had not joined the Warriors—the Cavs would have “won three in a row.”

  “That’s another Kobe and Shaq situation. I would never let it happen. I begged and pleaded…” (32:55)

Kevin Durant’s Legacy & Ring Culture (35:34 – 38:06)

• Honest conversation about how KD is viewed, and the media’s championship obsession.

  “If he goes to Golden State and win, oh, well, he went to Golden State. Well, what you want him to do?...” (36:38)

Why the Cavs Struggled Pre-KD (37:03 – 39:22)

• Discusses the need for a dominant center to match the new-look Warriors with KD.
• Evaluates why Dwyane Wade and Derrick Rose additions didn’t gel in Cleveland.

All-Star Game & International NBA Landscape (39:30 – 45:35)

• Conversation on the lack of competitiveness in the All-Star Game and Adam Silver’s format changes (“US vs. the World”).

• Lue and Cowherd discuss the rise of international talent in the NBA, but Lue asserts American dominance endures.

  “That’s why we’re the best players in the world…” (44:30)

Coach’s Perspective: Trades, Super Teams & Team Building (45:47 – 47:17; 79:37 – 80:23)

• Lue maintains that, in hindsight, trading for Paul George made sense—even if Shai Gilgeous-Alexander’s superstar leap couldn’t be predicted.
• He thinks the era of super teams is largely over due to cap changes and need for role-playing glue guys.

  “Because of the way the cap is structured now...the super teams...I think that’s over.” (79:40)

The Bubble Collapse & Coaching Philosophy (48:08 – 50:45)

• Lue defends the integrity of the ‘bubble’ championship and unpacks the Clippers’ blown 3-1 lead, citing Denver’s surge and the reality of playoff momentum.
• On handling player criticism: Lue chooses not to argue with disgruntled players unless his integrity is challenged.

  “Unless it’s something that’s egregious or...testing my manhood, like, you wanna scrap? I ain’t running from that." (50:45)

Lakers Coaching Vacancy & Setting Standards for Black Coaches (51:35 – 54:53)

• Lue candidly explains why he turned down the Lakers’ head coaching offer—short contract, low pay for a championship coach, and not being allowed to pick his staff.

  “If I take a bad deal, then what’s everybody else gonna get?... I thought it was up to me to make sure I did that right.” (52:44)

Redeeming Players & The Importance of Confidence (55:35 – 61:05)

• Lue's reputation as a "player's coach": he gives chances to players (Wall, Westbrook, Simmons, Batum, Reggie Jackson) whose careers are at crossroads.

  “A lot of guys have career years playing under me because...I give them confidence…” (56:05)

• He opens up about Ben Simmons’ struggles, emphasizing injuries played a big role but also accepts responsibility for not finding the right on-court fit.

Working for Steve Ballmer (60:31 – 62:24)

• Lue expresses admiration for Clippers owner Steve Ballmer’s genuine, down-to-earth leadership.

  “He treats everybody the way he treats them…He doesn’t need anybody...but just see how he treats people." (61:22)

Upbringing in Mexico, Missouri (67:25 – 69:53)

• Lue describes his resilient community, learning "everything at an early age," and how it shaped his perspective on adversity and confidence.

  “...just having the confidence that they have back home...from a crackhead to a...whatever, confidence. They walk around...just as confident as anybody else.” (69:53)

Family & Life Choices (69:53 – 72:40)

• Lue shares his choice to abstain from alcohol and drugs, informed by his father’s struggles and ultimate recovery.

  “My dad...smoked crack, you know, growing up...once he went to prison and got out, he’s been clean for 23 years.” (69:59)

Health Challenges & Coaching Stress (72:54 – 76:59)

• Lue opens up about his chest pains in Cleveland, stemming from anxiety and depression—shedding light on the pressures of NBA coaching.
• Explains how changes in lifestyle and the team’s support system helped him recover.

Coaching Greatness & All-Time Teammates (77:03 – 78:18)

• Lue builds an all-time starting five from his former teammates:
  • Shaquille O’Neal
  • Dirk Nowitzki
  • Kobe Bryant
  • Michael Jordan
  • Tracy McGrady

On Ring Culture & Player Loyalty (78:02 – 79:37)

• Lue laments how ring culture has eclipsed loyalty and development; values players staying and working through adversity.

Outlook for the Clippers (80:23 – 81:28)

• Sets high expectations: aiming for a conference finals appearance or better, contingent on health.
• Praises his experienced coaching staff (Van Gundy, Shaw, Larranaga, etc.).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On LeBron’s greatness translating to any era:

  "If you're great, I don't care what era you play in, you're gonna be great.” — Tyronn Lue (07:18)

• On taking over Cleveland midseason:

  “Anyone can say ‘I’d have done this...’ until you’re in that number one seat.” — Tyronn Lue (11:02)

• On the 2016 NBA Finals comeback:

  “Down 3-1, I really believed we could win. We just had to make tweaks. Every time we lost, I never showed film.” — Tyronn Lue (16:08, 17:26)

• On ring culture:

  “It’s definitely clouded our game... You just gotta be a great player and a great person.” — Tyronn Lue (78:18)

• On being a player’s coach:

  “A lot of guys have career years playing under me because...I give them confidence.” — Tyronn Lue (56:05)

• On mental wellbeing:

  “Anxiety and depression… I said, ‘I’m from Mexico. I ain’t depressed!’ But that’s what you’re experiencing.” — Tyronn Lue (74:04)

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Timestamps for Main Segments

• Paul Pierce’s pure scorer claim – 02:27
• LeBron’s greatest era – 03:15 – 06:40
• Could LeBron play in the 90s? – 06:48
• Lue joins Cavs, coaching transition – 07:42 – 12:39
• Coaching David Blatt, differences with NBA – 13:40
• 2016 Finals comeback strategy/belief – 15:37 – 18:49
• Halftime of Game 7—calling out LeBron – 18:59
• Kyrie-LeBron breakup and Warriors’ impact – 32:47
• Ring culture/media focus on championships – 35:34
• All-Star game, international NBA players – 39:30
• Clippers/Paul George trade hindsight – 45:47
• Lakers coaching job and coaching contracts – 51:35
• Redeeming players and confidence building – 55:35
• Steve Ballmer stories – 60:31
• Mexico, Missouri upbringing – 67:25
• On father’s recovery/influence – 69:53
• Coaching health and anxiety – 72:54
• All-time teammate starting five – 77:03
• Clippers expectations/future – 80:23

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Tone and Style

Candid, competitive, and honest—Lue’s humility and locker-room humor shine through, balanced by deep, strategic insights and plenty of behind-the-scenes revelations. The dynamic with Colin Cowherd is energetic and direct, with both men riffing and challenging each other's takes, keeping the spirit lively and unscripted throughout.

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Conclusion

This episode offers an illuminating journey through Tyronn Lue’s remarkable NBA life, candidly assessing triumphs and heartaches, while providing an inside look at all that goes on behind the championship banners—from player psychology to team-building to coaching under immense pressure. Essential listening for NBA fans interested in the realities behind dynasties, superstar dynamics, and the evolution of the modern game.

Transcript

[Tyronn Lue]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Tyronn Lue]

Please welcome aboard the Johnson family.

[Colin Cowherd]

The whole fam's here for the Disney cruise. So you know, we came to play and listen, the adults are gonna have a ball. First we're chilling in the infinity pool, onto massages at Sense's spa. Then gliding into Star wars hyperspace lounge for a toast. We're even gonna kick back with Mick on Disney's private island. That's how we get down. Cause Disney Cruise line is where we came to play. Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway. Paul Pierce. It went viral for saying he's the best pure score. I mean, I mean, I mean, name come to mind like maybe Kobe, Dave Hart, Jordan, kd. I said that. Pete, he was a hell of a scorer.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, and Pete was my guy. I mean, he's my guy. We came out in the Draft together in 98. On the lockout year, we worked out together Inglewood High School every single day. Like, that's my guy. But he said some crazy stuff sometimes. But no, I mean, I'll take away. Like I always say, just because Bron's great don't mean KD isn't great. And Pete pitch was a great scorer. Like footwork, post on the elbows, catch and shoot threes off the. He could do it all. So he's not lying about that, you know, so he gets a lot of, you know, but he could definitely score. But like you said, when you, you know, say KD and, you know, Kobe and Georgie, Hardy, George, I got to the free throw line more than him, but I love it. That's why he is who he is, because the confidence he has, you know what I'm saying? That's why he is who he is. So.

[Colin Cowherd]

So what was it? Because I remember the last time LeBron was in Cleveland, you guys beat him, and he had a monster game. I think he had 27, 19, and 12 that game six y' all end up beating before he went to Miami. Prior to that, I mean, prior to, you know, you guys getting KG and Ray Allen, you know, it was more. I think he beat you guys a little bit more than you guys beat him. But when he goes to Miami.

[Tyronn Lue]

And.

[Colin Cowherd]

That year, y' all got him, and I remember KG say it's over. Y' all beat him in game five in Miami, was up three, two, you up three, two. KG say it's over. We ain't coming back down here. And then LeBron in game six, 45. Everybody says that's the greatest game he's ever played. Did you get a sense, I mean, how soon. How early in the game did you know, boy, we. We gotta. We got. We in for it.

[Tyronn Lue]

I knew. I mean, I saw a look in his eyes, you know, when he first stood on the floor and just his mentality to start the game, how aggressive he was. Yeah, and we were always scared. And Doc was always scared to, like, trap and double team him because of his passive passability. And so he figured that, like, I figured it's like he's gonna get everybody else involved now. Everybody's gonna get going.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

He's gonna get his anyway.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

But we didn't think he's gonna get 45, right? And like, that game, when he's. What he's able to do that game, like, that's what really took him to the next level. Like 45, go to Miami, game seven, win game seven, and then, you know, to move on, like. But that game was. Oh, man, I still have nightmares about.

[Colin Cowherd]

That game was Miami Heat, LeBron. That's the best LeBron we've ever seen.

[Tyronn Lue]

I don't know.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, I think 2018, bro, the.

[Tyronn Lue]

Year we went to the finals, when Kyrie was gone.

[Colin Cowherd]

When Kyrie was gone. Yeah, the way he put. And y' all go to Boston in that Game seven. And y' all beat Toronto, y' all beat Toronto, y' all beat Indiana.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

And he had what, like, eight 40 point games in the playoffs. He had that 51 against Golden State. Yeah, he was just in Miami. He was extremely efficient.

[Tyronn Lue]

Efficient? Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

You talking about somebody shooting 55, 56%, 57% from the. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, he was, he was super efficient in Miami, but I didn't get a chance to watch it like I wanted to. You know, of course, you can't see every game, but what he did in.

[Colin Cowherd]

Cleveland, you know, you get him back, he comes back.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, that stretch he had in Cleveland, I, I, I think that was his best.

[Colin Cowherd]

So you think you, you think the second, the second. The return to Cleveland might have been his best? LeBron?

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

I can't say I disagree.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, he, the year 16, the 1617 season, we went back to the final, we played against KD for the first time. Like that season right there, I think was one of the best seasons like you said things ever had. And then I can't remember what that playoffs was. The playoff run he had, that might have been the best playoff run.

[Colin Cowherd]

That 18.

[Tyronn Lue]

That was 18.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When he had eight. Yeah, I think he had eight 40 point games.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

And you guys end up, y' all swept Toronto, who was the number one seed at the time. And then you go on the road in game seven in Boston.

[Tyronn Lue]

He played all 48 minutes. Yeah, that period, that 15 to 18, I think that might have been his best basketball ever played.

[Colin Cowherd]

People always, you know, and you get this a lot, and I'm sure you've heard it. He wouldn't have done that if he played in the 90s. He wouldn't have done that. And he played in the 80s. He couldn't have played back then.

[Tyronn Lue]

Right.

[Colin Cowherd]

The dude got Karl Malone's body. He can handle the ball like magic. He got karma, lone body, and he's more athletic. Who's been had that kind of athleticism that can do all the things that he can do?

[Tyronn Lue]

I mean, I mean, I played the 90s. I wasn't sure. So you're gonna say LeBron James couldn't play the 90s? Like, come on, man.

[Colin Cowherd]

Like, I played a lot of that. I wasn't.

[Tyronn Lue]

What we talking about? Like, I don't even make sense. Like, if you're great, I don't care what era you play in, you're gonna be great.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right?

[Tyronn Lue]

And it is what it is.

[Colin Cowherd]

Coaching the Clippers. So you now you're at the Clippers. You. No, I want to go to this, I'm gonna talk about the, the Cavalier situation, because when David Blatt, you were in line to get the job. You were supposed to get the job, right?

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. We interviewed the same time for the job, and my agent called me, was like, you know, Dan Gilbert decided that he wanted to go with David Blatt. But I got a crazy thing to tell you. They want you to be the associate head coach. And I was like, nah. Like, I'm cool. Like, nah, I'm stay here with Doc. Cause I figured, like, if I'm with Doc, who's the best coach in the league? Like, I'm gonna get a job next year. I mean, it's coming, you know, so I'm not gonna leave Doc. I'm gonna be loyal to Doc. And he said, but you wouldn't believe how much money he offered you. And I was like, well, what they offer? Say they want to offer you a million dollars a year to be the associate head coach. Now, at the time, I'm making 375 with the Clippers.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I don't think. I think I could do that.

[Tyronn Lue]

Well, nah, I still said no.

[Colin Cowherd]

You said no?

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. I was like, nah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Even in California?

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

I was like, cuz, you know that. 155.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. And so I was like, man, like, no, I ain't. I ain't doing. I'm stay with Doc, right? Like, you sure? Like, yeah, I can't do it. So he came back an hour later, said, they said, they give you 1, 2, 1, 4, whatever, whatever. And I was like, nah, man. Like, I'm. Stay with Doc. I ain't gonna do that. Like, I'm gonna be loyal to Doc. So I called, you know, B. Shaw. I was like, b. Shaw, man, he said, what you. Man, you gotta. You took. What you. You gotta take your job, Russell, man, I ain't doing it. And then so I called Jerry west, who's my mentor, and Jerry, like, you know, could you mother you. What are you thinking? If you don't take this job, they'll never give you another job ever again. Think you can't leave Doc's umbrella. Whatever, Whatever. So I was like, man, I'm not doing it. And so he's, like, going crazy. So my agent called back again. He said, like, they said, well, what do you want? I said, man, just tell him 2 million. 2. 2, 2.

[Colin Cowherd]

Whatever.

[Tyronn Lue]

Whatever. He called me back, said, they said, yes, you.

[Colin Cowherd]

Like, damn, I should have said 2, 5.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, yeah. So I was like, all right, I gotta go.

[Colin Cowherd]

Hey, Doc.

[Tyronn Lue]

So I called Doc, and Doc was like, you know what, Ty? Like, it's gonna be hard for us to match that he said, but I think you're ready to, like, leave my umbrella and, like, you know, spread and do your own thing. I think it'd be good for you. And I was like, you sure? He's like, man, I think it'd be really good for you. And so that's kind of how it happened. I ended up going to Cleveland.

[Colin Cowherd]

So now, okay, you on the bench. That first year, y' all go to the NBA Finals, you lose to the Golden State warriors in six. Halfway through the season, they make a change. You get elevated. Now, being a head coach is one thing. When you're the head coach and now you're coaching the best player in the NBA, that's something entirely different to you, Lou.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, it is.

[Colin Cowherd]

You and LeBron, what type of relationship did you have with LeBron before you became head coach?

[Tyronn Lue]

So I had a relationship with Bron, Rich, and Mav Randy before I even came to be the assistant. Like, we always been cool and tight, so, like, we always had that bond. And so when I became the associate head coach, like I said, then he came back, you know, so we already had that bond, and so. Which was cool. Like I said, I had Rich and mad behind me 100%, me and Randy. So even Bron get mad, I had them behind me anyway, you know, but that's kind of like, you know, like, that's family. Like, that's family. So, you know, when I took over, like I said, I was scared because, you know, anybody can say, I would have did this, I would have done that. You know, like, especially all that social media show. You can say all that until you in that number one seat.

[Colin Cowherd]

And now you got. Okay, let's see what you do. You said you go do that.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, and so moving over six inches, you know, it's tough. And, like, especially midway through the season.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[Tyronn Lue]

And so I just thought it was a lot of pressure, man. Just like, we just went to the finals, game six. We lose. No Kevin Love, no Kyrie. And now you want me to replace Coach Black, who's done a hell of a job. And if we don't make it to the finals and make it to at least game seven, like, I'm a failure.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right?

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, and so that was. It was scary. And I didn't really know if I could do it because, like, you're coming through halfway through the season, right? You haven't really had a training camp. You haven't implemented what you wanted to.

[Colin Cowherd]

Run, what you want to do, because you got to stick to What?

[Tyronn Lue]

And like I said, and you got the best player in the world. You know what I'm saying? And so it was. It was. It was tough, you know, but like I said, I will give a lot of credit, you know, to Caleb, Kyrie, Bron, junior, Tristan, like, those guys. Like I said, listen, we got your back 100%. Like, whatever you want to do, let's do it. We got your back. And I said, I'm going to make some mistakes. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to make some mistakes, but we all got to stick together. And I get those guys credit. Like, they have my back 100%.

[Colin Cowherd]

But the natural thing is, like, man, T. Lou undermined David Blatt. He was just, you know, he was supposed to be there anyway, and he probably was doing X, Y and Z. Did you hear that?

[Tyronn Lue]

All the time. And that's why it was hard for me to want to take that job, because I knew what it was going to look like from the outside looking in. And if they knew the truth about it the year before, they would have never said it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, and so my job as an associate head coach is to do whatever I can to make the job easier, to make the coach job easier, you know, and so I did that to the best of my ability.

[Colin Cowherd]

And.

[Tyronn Lue]

And, you know, I would never undermine somebody for a job, you know, because that's. That's not who I am. It's not my personality. And I believe it will come back on you if you do things like that.

[Colin Cowherd]

So what was it about Coach Black? Was it. Was his message just not resonating? What was it? Because he did go to the NBA Finals, Y' all did make it to a Game 6, minus Kevin Love, minus Kyrie. I believe if you have those guys, we'll never, ever know. I believe you win the series. I do, too, but we'll never know. And then halfway through the season, it wasn't like y' all was in the sixth spot.

[Tyronn Lue]

T. Lou was the number one spot.

[Colin Cowherd]

And they fired the coach. That's never been. I don't. Well, maybe. I think Milwaukee did something similar a couple years ago with Adrian Griff, but I'm just saying I don't recall a situation of something like that happening. Was his message just not getting through? Was it just falling on deaf ears? Somebody go upstairs. Why would you make the number one? You're the number one seed. Can you change the head coach after you just went to the finals?

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, for me, I think he did a great job. And Overseas, like, when you coach overseas, you are the face of the team, right? Like, it's what you. What you say goes no matter what, no matter what. Players there, what. Like, you're the face of the team. And when you come to the NBA, the players are the face of the team. And so it's a different dynamic. And so just understand that dynamic that, you know, as much you want to go in and go crazy and cuss somebody out, you might can't do it today. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? You just can't. And, like, his offensive system, like, was great. I wish I could run it today. Like, all the stuff he did, but, like, it didn't fit. Like, Bron's not gonna move like that. Kyrie wanna dance? He ain't running around. Kevin Love's not a mover, you know. And so it was just the offense they ran over there was different when he came over here now, he'd been successful over there, winning all the championships. And he's a great coach. And I thought it was great stuff that we were doing, but it just didn't fit our team and what we're trying to do, you know? And so I think guys got frustrated with the process and got frustrated with, you know, how. How we did things, like, offensively and defensively. Cause some of the stuff was.

[Colin Cowherd]

Was different, right?

[Tyronn Lue]

But there's nothing wrong with change if it works. And it was working, but it just, you know, I think a lot of people got frustrated and didn't take the time, had the patience, got kind of wait for it. And that's kind of like where things got, you know, got. Got harder, you know, so that was it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Do you remember your first game getting booed? Who y' all first? Do you remember who y' all played first? Played the Bulls.

[Tyronn Lue]

Bulls. And we was at. We played them in Cleveland.

[Colin Cowherd]

Y' all lost.

[Tyronn Lue]

And they booed me. Oh, I don't even remember. Did they boo me, man? Yeah, I don't remember. I mean, like I said, I got tough skin. So if I mess up, I mess up. Like, I deserve to get booed. I deserve to get Chris.

[Colin Cowherd]

Y' all lost 96 to 83.

[Tyronn Lue]

Okay? But.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, do you understand what you did? They fired the coach mid season. You get that team, not only did you get them to the NBA Finals, you orchestrated the greatest comeback in finals history. Down 31 to a guy that. He was the first guy to. To be a unanimous mvp. And two of the last three games were on the Road. How do you lie to them? You gotta lie sometimes, coach. You tell us all the time, sometimes, guys, I gotta lie to you. How do you lie to them and tell them they really got a chance to win this?

[Tyronn Lue]

You know what's crazy is that I really, I swear to God I thought that we can win. Like, even we were down three one, I thought that we could win what.

[Colin Cowherd]

You had just lost. You had just went down 3:1 at your home court, T. Luke.

[Tyronn Lue]

But I'm saying we lost the two first. The two games we lost first. We got blown out. Yeah, we win game three.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[Tyronn Lue]

We should have won game four. We tricked it off the last two minutes of the game.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right?

[Tyronn Lue]

Right. So we go down 3:1, and I'm like, we still have opportunity to win this. Like, we, we still can win. I really believed it. But we had to make some tweaks and we made some adjustments. And like I said, I give our guys credit for doing that. But what's funny, like, getting to that point, every time we lost a game, I never show film. And so David Griffin would go back to our video guy, dv, he was like, man, what the hell is he doing? Like, why? He said, listen, just trust him. He know what he's doing. Like, just trust him. If he's doing it, I believe in it. So, like, because after game one or even in the finals before, like, if we show film and like they was blowing us out, like, it was like, you don't want, mentally, you don't want that.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, you don't want, we can't beat these guys.

[Tyronn Lue]

Exactly. So you don't want the guys seeing that. So we'll come in, have a fun day shooting half court shots, tweak some stuff here and there. And when we win, that's when we be long film sessions, all the stuff we're making mistakes on and like, what we gotta clean up to be better. And it worked because you don't want to psych you guys out thinking like, man, like, how can we beat him?

[Colin Cowherd]

Right?

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, so every time we lost, I never show film, we won. I showed all the stuff we need to get better at. And we just had to make some tweaks defensively and we made those tweaks. Like I said, I give J.R. shump and all those guys credit for what we was able to do to change our strategy. Because if you play Golden State, the way they play, their pace and how fast they play, you don't know until you're in it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

You can't go to Practice and work on something.

[Colin Cowherd]

You can't replicate that.

[Tyronn Lue]

Can't do it, you know? And so I saw that when you playing, when you switching everything, they gonna pick you apart, right? Like, Draymond with his passing, Steph and Clay with their movement. Like, you just can't switch everything. And so after game four, I was like, listen, when Steph and Clay come together, splits and all that, we switching it. Anybody else, you stand locked in. So it won't be no confusion. If we make a mistake. We're gonna make a mistake on, you know, the other guys. We ain't gonna make a mistake on these guys, you know? And so it worked. Like Jayon Shump locked in the Stephen Clay. Like, if you go on Eagle dollar, Livingston, you pushing up. You just protecting. And, like, it changed the whole series. Like, it changed it. And then the performance that Bron and Kyrie had in game.

[Colin Cowherd]

Game six. No, game 541.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. And in game five and, like, going home for game six, like, I thought we warmed down. And then game seven, you got the best player in the world going into game seven. You got to love your chances, right? So that's, you know, kind of what happened.

[Colin Cowherd]

Was it ever situation that you had, like. Cause it's hard. Cause you got a LeBron man or any great player to like, bro, I need more from you. You gotta give me more.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. Halftime of game seven. Halftime of game seven, we come in the locker room and, like, we gonna show a film. Said, no, I ain't no film. Like, so I came and said, bron, what you gonna do, man? What you mean, so you gotta do more. Like, you gotta be better. Like, what you want me to do, T Luke? I'm like. Cause he had 20 points and might have seven assists, but he left a lot on the table to me. And this is game seven. You're the best player in the world. I was like, we need what you want. I said, you got to guard Draymond better. Score the basketball, stop turning over, be aggressive.

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[Tyronn Lue]

Anything else you want me to say? So he maddened him up, right? So I go in the office, I slam the door. So later after we, you know, it was over, Damon Jones said Brian came to him like, man, can you believe T. Lube man called me out like that? That's some bulls. Whatever, whatever. D. Jones said, well, I ain't been here all year, but everything I read and you called and told me you trust him. Why not trust him now? He's like F you. He go to James Jones. James Jones. Can you believe T. Lou? Man, I can't believe it. James Jones said, did he lie? So then Bron snatched his stuff out of locker storm out. That's all she wrote. You know, I mean J.R. people don't understand. J.R. scored the first seven points.

[Colin Cowherd]

He did. He did.

[Tyronn Lue]

And then after that. Cause we was down seven. So JR Scored seven straight. And then after that, and Bron, what he did after that was. It was all. She wrote.

[Colin Cowherd]

The chase down. And then Kyrie's three point shot, I don't know, because that. You guys had gone like, three minutes t. Lou, and nobody could score.

[Tyronn Lue]

I know.

[Colin Cowherd]

It was like somebody put a lid on the basket. Everybody was bricking, air balling. You could feel that it was tightening. Everybody felt. I don't care what anybody says, everybody felt it.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Do you feel that if Iguodala had laid that ball up, that was gonna be the momentum that they needed to win the game? Or you felt you guys, even if they had broke the score because you guys scored first.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. I mean. No, they scored first.

[Colin Cowherd]

The guy escaped. No, the guy was tied.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, it was tied.

[Colin Cowherd]

He blocked it.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

And then Kyrie. And then Kyrie started dance, right?

[Tyronn Lue]

And so we called timeout. And the thing about. Bron was exhausted. And so we get to the bench, I mean, he's like. He's done. So I'm like, sh. You know, Kai, it's time to dance. You know what I'm saying? So I like, we want to run pick and roll. You know what I'm saying? Because Clay was a great defender. And like I said, Steph to where he's at now, defensive wise. Like, he took a huge step and take pride in guarding now. And so they had no weak links. You didn't want Draymond, you didn't want Eagle dollar. You didn't want Clay. So I was like, but we gotta try to get step in action, right? You know? So, you know, we run a pick and roll. You know, Kyrie gets a switch. I ain't no gonna shoot a three.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know what I'm saying? I ain't never gonna shoot three.

[Tyronn Lue]

And so he.

[Colin Cowherd]

But that's his. That's his. That's his shot, though. That side step three. That's his shot.

[Tyronn Lue]

So he gets to that right wing, he's dancing, and he shoots it. And like, man, like, from that point on, I just blacked out. Like, once he made that shot, I, like, blacked out, like, don't even. I remember K Love like, guard is Steph. Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Sitting in the chair on Steph.

[Tyronn Lue]

Guard is Steph. And I remember it was at the end of the game, we were up three, four. Yeah. Bron gets fouled, we up four. And it was two things that we worked on they ran two knee three plays for shots, right? And so the whole series, before we got to the series, leading up to it and the series, I was like, listen, we're going to work on these atos, but on their knee three plays, guys are going to be in different positions. So every day we worked on their need three plays. I said, it's going to come a time, we're going to need it. So like, Kyrie and man, we doing this again, like, because all the games were blowouts, it wasn't no close games till game seven, right? And so we never had to use it. And so we worked on it every day on this play. Kyrie, you guarding this guy. Tristan, you guarding this guy. Bron, you here on this play when they do it. Now you guarding over here. Like, so we had guys in different spots. So when Draymond goes to take the ball out of bounds, you see him, he's like, man, what the. Like. Cause the matchups was crazy.

[Colin Cowherd]

But we knew how we wanted to switch, right?

[Tyronn Lue]

We got deflection. So the ball goes out of bounds. So they called the second play. They run ato wise for knee three. And guys go to different matchups. And Draymond's like, man, what the. Like, it messed him. So. So then we win the game. So the next day I was like, see, that's why we work on it. He said, man, you was right. And like, we worked on it for like eight days before the series started.

[Colin Cowherd]

And then every.

[Tyronn Lue]

Every day we worked on a knee three, and they talk trash to me, man, we ain't gonna never use this. This is stupid. And then end of the game, we needed it.

[Colin Cowherd]

How are you able to earn the players trust in Cleveland so quickly?

[Tyronn Lue]

I would say being around the players I coach and play with, I think that's one, I think winning, I think was something. And then I think just having a relationship with Bron, like, I think having a relationship with Bron really set the tone for everybody else. And I had a relationship with, you know, when he first came in the league, you know, he used to come work out with us in Vegas. And so I knew JR but the other guys I didn't know, like you said. But having Bron's respect and having a friendship with Bron, that really helped me earn the respect to everybody else in the locker room.

[Colin Cowherd]

You're the first NBA. You're the first coach in NBA history. 10 post season games. Did you know that?

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't think they're going to be broken.

[Tyronn Lue]

Somebody almost broke it recently.

[Colin Cowherd]

They did almost. When you good, they got to start over again.

[Tyronn Lue]

Somebody almost broke it first. Yeah. I can't remember who it was. Was it. Let me see. Was it Missoula?

[Colin Cowherd]

Did they go, yeah, you might be right.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, I think he broke it or got close or tied or something. I don't know. I mean, it was right there. I know. I know that happened.

[Colin Cowherd]

I read the story that your. Is this true about the money that you put up in the ceiling?

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Or you made that up.

[Tyronn Lue]

No, it's true.

[Colin Cowherd]

You knew that you. You knew after winning Game five that you guys were coming back for Game seven.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Because you didn'. There was no way they could beat you in game six in your building.

[Tyronn Lue]

I didn't think so. And so after Game five, our owners and, you know, front office people, they all in the locker room. Everybody's going crazy. We hype, whatever. So I walk in the locker room, I said, all right, Everybody give me $200. I was like, what? I was like, Everybody give me $200. I'm gonna put it in the ceiling. And we coming back for Game 7 and get our money. And so everybody. Oh, yeah, they going crazy. So everybody gives 200. 200. The owner, Dan Gilbert, Nate Forbes, they all put it up in the ceiling. But I got it from Doc. Cause Doc did it. We played the Lakers in LA Christmas Day, and they blew us out, right? And Doc said, listen, y' all remember this? Remember how it feels? Cause we gonna play them in the NBA Finals, and we come back to get our money, and we put it, hid it in the attic. I mean, in the ceiling. Came back, and it was there. And Doc passed the money out. The only difference with me, I kept it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Come on, KE Lou. Hey.

[Tyronn Lue]

I'm gonna tell you how crazy Brian.

[Colin Cowherd]

Is, how tight he is.

[Tyronn Lue]

So we win the championship. We just won, man. They in the locker room, they spraying champagne. Bron like, man, where that 200 at? Like, come on, man, we just want to. You won by two. I said, man, I think this ball boy stole ain't in there no more. You know what I'm saying? So I kept that. I deserved it. I deserved it, man.

[Colin Cowherd]

Come on, bro. 200.

[Tyronn Lue]

He wanted it. I wasn't giving it back.

[Colin Cowherd]

There have been whispers about LeBron possibly returning to Cleveland. Do you think he's gonna return to Cleveland? Before you answer that, are you surprised? This is the first time in LeBron's career LeBron James is on an expiring contract.

[Tyronn Lue]

I'm surprised by that. I mean. I mean, this is A player that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Like, he's, he gave you 24, 8 and 7 last year and he's changed the game.

[Tyronn Lue]

Like he's, he's made it to where these guys are able to go to whatever teams they want to go and like you said, build, build their careers and do. Like he was the one to take that first step.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, and so he took all the heat, all the heat, you know, to get to this point where now you see everybody's doing it, you know, and he, he paved that way, you know, and so I think if he's on an expiring contract, I think it's something he wants. I don't think that, you know, like the Lakers are we only going to give you, you know, finish this year out and that's it. I think that's. If he's on a one year contract, that's where he wants to be. Going back to Cleveland. I don't know. Yeah, like, can you see it?

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't, I don't. I mean, I don't know. You went to la, you've done everything you can do in Cleveland, right? I think you finish it up in la. I don't know how much longer, how much longer they want him in la. But I think the thing is, he finishes up in la, I don't think he's done after this year. No, I don't think he's done. I don't. And the thing is, T. Lo, I was talking to somebody the other day, I said, if you play 24, you might as well go and get that 25.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, he's not done this year for.

[Colin Cowherd]

Sure, but I think he wants to set that record out. He wants to set that record out there ain't nobody gonna get it.

[Tyronn Lue]

They can't catch it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Cause KD, he thinks KD is the closest, but KD is 10,000 points away. That's 10,000. So if you average, that's another seven, eight years. That's right now.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

LeBron plays another two, three years, that thing gonna be a 45,000 points.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, I mean, it's gonna be hard to catch that. I don't see nobody.

[Colin Cowherd]

Cause you have to play a lot. You have to play. You have to have sustained greatness. Cause nobody thought Kareem stay healthy. Nobody thought Kareem. The record would be broken because first of all, only bigs played that long.

[Tyronn Lue]

Exactly. Longevity.

[Colin Cowherd]

And then you could play that long if you were big. Because I guess what, you go down to the block, they dump it down to you. You ain't Trying to get up and.

[Tyronn Lue]

Down the court like that, averaging 8, 9, 10 points.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know what I'm saying? When you get that old as a big. Yeah, like, think of all our great bigs. When they play, you know, past their prime, they only average 8, 9, 10 points. Braun averaging 25.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, like.

[Tyronn Lue]

Like. So, I mean, I think he's gonna put it out of reach where it's gonna be hard to. It's gonna be hard to get there.

[Colin Cowherd]

But he was working at the. I saw. You know, he posted a video. He was working at the Clipper facilities.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, I know. I seen that. Yeah, I saw that.

[Colin Cowherd]

What that mean?

[Tyronn Lue]

I don't even know if I can speak on that.

[Colin Cowherd]

You gave him the key?

[Tyronn Lue]

Nope. Yeah, he's working out at our old practice facility, the one that we had in Playa. So. Yeah, put that out there. The One in playa.

[Colin Cowherd]

Dr. Newman.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, he went into our facility. You know what I'm saying? I can't say nothing about that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Had LeBron and Kyrie stayed together, they won another championship.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And I think also think if KD doesn't go to Golden State.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, yeah, but they had to get him. They had to get him. They were never gonna beat you guys again. T. Lo.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. If KD doesn't go to Golden State, I think we win three in a row. And I think Kyrie stays, because you can't leave after that. You know what I'm saying? And so I think he stays. And I think, like I said, we had a chance to win two or three.

[Colin Cowherd]

Is there anything you could have done differently to maybe keep Kyrie and LeBron together? Or has Kyrie made his mind up that he wanted to go elsewhere?

[Tyronn Lue]

He had made his mind up, but that's like, another Kobe and Shaq situation. I would never let it happen. Like. And I begged and pleaded. I begged and pleaded.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, Kobe and LeBron said he begged and pleaded, say, hey, don't trade him. He still got a year on his contract. Don't trade him.

[Tyronn Lue]

Bron was doing an autograph signing with jerseys and stuff for his foundation. So I come sitting next to Bron. We sitting there. Hand me the phone. Sports Center. Kyrie Irving has just been traded to the Boston Celtics. Man, Bron dropped the marker and just lays back in his chair for about 10 minutes. Doesn't say a word, like, just pissed off. And Bron was crushed. And I saw when that happened, I thought things would, like. I thought Bron would do something different, you know, sooner than later. And that's what he did.

[Colin Cowherd]

So you. Don't you believe LeBron would have stayed in Cleveland had Kyrie stated Cleveland?

[Tyronn Lue]

Yes, I think so.

[Colin Cowherd]

Damn. I mean, you've seen breakups. You. You were there. I mean, you. You weren't there at the time. But Kobe and Shaq, you saw Blake in CP3. You saw LeBron and. And Kyrie. If somebody would have told you in the beginning how well it was working, that this was gonna be the ultimate outcome, would you have believed it as far as what, them. Them parting ways, all those guys? Yeah.

[Tyronn Lue]

No. No. I mean, I couldn't see it, you know, the way it happened, you know, especially, like I said, Colburn, Shaq being in it every single day right in the locker room, like, because he had too many great guys around him. Like, you had a lot of great buffers, you know, like Rick Fox, Robert, Ori B. Shaw, Harp. Like, they were old enough to, like, understand, like, what's. What was at stake.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes. And understand, like, we got something special.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. Something special. And so they would never let it come to where it came to, you know, so that was tough. And then, you know, I think Kyrie, his biggest thing is, like. Cause he's a competitor.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Tyronn Lue]

He's a killer, like. And so he wanted to show kind of like Kobe did, you know, when Shaq.

[Colin Cowherd]

Cause that's his mentor. He.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, I want. I could win, you know, without Bron. And for me to take that next step, this is what I gotta do. And so to have his own team and to do that, like, that was his. That was his goal, and that's what he wanted to do.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

So I don't think it was nothing, no ill will against Braun. It was just something he wanted to do for his career.

[Colin Cowherd]

Kd, he starts out in okc, he goes to Golden State, wins two and three, goes to Brooklyn, leaves Brooklyn, goes to Phoenix. Now he's in Houston. How different are we looking at KD if he doesn't go to the warriors.

[Tyronn Lue]

As far as if he won or not?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Tyronn Lue]

I mean, I think the only difference would be if you want an okc, and which they could have. They could easily done that too.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, so, I mean, I wouldn't look at him different. You know, I think a lot of great players, like, they think, you know, you have to win a championship to be, you know, to. To be on this tier or whatever.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, it's us.

[Tyronn Lue]

It's not fair.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's us now.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

The meeting. We've done that.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Because we. We say, you're bum. We. We say you're not any good. We don't say you're bum, but we say you're not any good. Or they put. Who's the greatest NBA player that's never won a championship?

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

So rings are everything now. We'll take a guy that's averaging 10 points and put him above somebody that's historically great because he has a ring.

[Tyronn Lue]

And Katie's one of the best players of all time.

[Colin Cowherd]

All time.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. So, like, it just. It just, you know, everybody doesn't win, you know, so.

[Colin Cowherd]

And they shouldn't.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, exactly.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, no. What's the value of a championship if every great player wanted.

[Tyronn Lue]

But, you know, if he goes to Golden State and went, oh, well, he went to Golden State. Well, what you want him to do, Right? If he don't win, you're gonna say.

[Colin Cowherd]

He didn't, criticize him. Y' all still do it.

[Tyronn Lue]

Goes and wins. It's criticized as well. Like, it's just not fair.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, and so, I mean, what else can you say? He's a bad boy. He's a bad dude. Whether he won a championship or not won a championship or whatever. Like, he's one of the best, greatest players to play this game.

[Colin Cowherd]

And so what did you guys need when he goes to the war, when he goes to the Warriors? What did Cleveland need to combat that? Cause I don't believe. I don't believe with ikd. I believe with ikd, they're not gonna beat you again.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

After you beat them at 2016, coming back from 3:1, I don't believe they can beat you again.

[Tyronn Lue]

I think we had the blueprint on how to beat them. Like, Steve Kerr's a mastermind, so he probably figured something out. But I thought we had the blueprint. But for us, probably, I would say, like, a dominant center, like a guy you can throw the ball to, dump.

[Colin Cowherd]

It down to him and punish him inside.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. So Draymond's not helping. All over the place. And, like. Cause Tristan was a, you know, really good player, but, like, offensively being able to throw the ball, post the basketball and make plays. Cause Caleb played more of the four, so. But I think a bigger center that can, you know, can protect the rim, could be dominant on the block. I think that would have helped us out a lot, but it was just when they got KD like you, you blitzed.

[Colin Cowherd]

It wasn't even for. It wasn't even blitz.

[Tyronn Lue]

Steph Draymond's the best pocket. Catch the ball in the pocket, and now you got Clay and Steph, I mean, Clay and KD Sitting in the court. Like, I mean. I mean, Eagle dollar for the lob. Clay in his corner, KD in his corner. Like, what you gonna do?

[Colin Cowherd]

And you still. You still worried about Steph?

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. Like, it just.

[Colin Cowherd]

It was unfair that last year you guys had D Rolls, you guys had D. Wade, and it just. It just didn't. It wasn't working. Yeah, it wasn't working. Why wasn't it working?

[Tyronn Lue]

I think D. Wade and let's say D. Rose is, you know, coming down towards the end of the career, but D. Rose end up playing a lot longer than he thought he was going to play.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

But you have, like I said, great players, you know, D. Rose, one of my favorite players, like to play the game. And then D. Wade, you know, as well. And then what they've been able to do with other teams, and then coming to Cleveland with Bron, I think, like, Bron gave them the leeway to do whatever they want, but I just think, just trying to figure it out, playing with each other, the spacing, the shooting, you know, all those components played a factor, and it just wasn't a good fit. Like, it wasn't. They could still play. It just wasn't a good fit, you know, basketball wise. And that's just kind of like how it didn't work and. But if I'd had a little bit more time, I would have been able to figure it out.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, but it just, like. It just didn't fit the style that we wanted to play or had to play or need to play. It just didn't fit.

[Colin Cowherd]

Adam Silver says he's changing the All Star Game. It's becoming watchable. T. Lou. It ain't number threes. Ain't number threes and dunks, and that ain't the way, man. Nobody, bro. I grew up on the All Star Game. They played. I ain't saying you gotta play it like it's a game seven. I ain't saying you gotta play it like a playoff game. But this is unacceptable. So they've changed the format.

[Tyronn Lue]

What's the format now?

[Colin Cowherd]

It's the us versus the world, isn't it? Yeah. So Jokic, Luca, Giannis, Embiid, Shay, gonna be Steph, KD, LeBron, book. Yeah.

[Tyronn Lue]

And what's the. If they win, then what?

[Colin Cowherd]

No, we wanna see some action. We don't wanna see the. Man, we almost had a 200. Somebody almost scored 200 points in the All Star Game.

[Tyronn Lue]

No, I'm saying. But it's like in baseball if you win like you know.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well that's what he should have did. We should have went go back to the east west and the winning side get home court advantage. No matter what the record is, whoever wins the all star game gets the home court advantage. Then you'll start playing.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Cause this come on them joker shooting.

[Tyronn Lue]

73S I mean I don't know man. I don't whatever. However Adam Silver's gon fix it. It's gonna be great because like I said he, he makes sure he does, you know, he does a great job so I believe in him.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's been a while since we had an American born mvp. T. Lou, it's been a minute. I mean Yoki's got three, Giannis has got two, Embiid's got one. Now we got Shay. Maybe not as a whole a hold but are is the world catching up with us as far as basketball? Like not overall because each player is from a different is from a different country. Yeah, but they are getting better.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, they're getting better.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean you know it ain't a foregone conclusion. 28 now you do realize that right? Cause think what it took. You can make a difference in someone's.

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[Tyronn Lue]

No, T. Lou.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, it took. It took LE. Basketball still comes through here, T. Lou. It took LeBron, it took KD, and it took Steph, okay?

[Tyronn Lue]

That's why we the best.

[Colin Cowherd]

They not gonna be there at 28.

[Tyronn Lue]

How many MVPs? Bron got?

[Colin Cowherd]

Four.

[Tyronn Lue]

How many KD got one? Steph?

[Colin Cowherd]

Two.

[Tyronn Lue]

Okay, there you go.

[Colin Cowherd]

You try to have. You try to have him around for 20, for 28.

[Tyronn Lue]

No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, like, that's why we're the best players in the world. I mean, they have like, Joker. Like, they have great players too, right? What I'm saying is they're not gonna be able to catch us because it's one or two guys in each country, right? Like, we're one place, right? And we have all the talent, we have all the skill, we have all the athleticism. But like I said, they are. They are really good. I mean, they're great because they're playing.

[Colin Cowherd]

Because the thing is, T. Lou, is that the Germans, they've been playing together their whole life. The Slovenians, the Serbians, the Lithuanians, Australians, they've been playing together 10 years old. Yes, we come together for two weeks. We come to Vegas for two weeks, practice, then we go to somebody to do play, like three exhibitions, and then they go play.

[Tyronn Lue]

Right? Now, I do think, Wemby. Wemby, I think. But I don't know, man. I just. Y', all, we. No, we're the greatest.

[Colin Cowherd]

We got this at 28.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yes.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, for sure.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm gonna check out a game now.

[Tyronn Lue]

If you can rewind this tape in three years and say, you know what, T list, but no, we, no, we gonna win.

[Colin Cowherd]

You were on the staff at the Clippers when Shea was there?

[Tyronn Lue]

No.

[Colin Cowherd]

You weren't there?

[Tyronn Lue]

Nope. I was in. When Shay got there, I was.

[Colin Cowherd]

He was still in Cleveland.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, I was in Cleveland. Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Doc said, he pleaded with them, said, look, this guy gonna be special. Don't trade him. But to appease Kawhi, you had to. Cause Kawhi's like, I ain't got time. I need somebody. That's proven. PG was proven. He'd been an all NBA player, can play both ends of the court. But watching him, I mean watching Shay, did you know Shay was gonna be this.

[Tyronn Lue]

No. No, I didn't. And we talk about it all the time and you know, 30 GMs or presidents or whatever, even like, like if it would have been done all over again, I mean, I'd have done the trade too. Yes. Like PG was second in MVP voting.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[Tyronn Lue]

Like two way player. Like it was like Jordan Pippen, you know what I'm saying? And Shay, like I said, he was a really good, you know, young player, but you didn't know he's going to be this.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know. And I think it was the best thing for Shay because Shane was staying with the Clippers. He wouldn't be. Yeah, he wouldn't have been.

[Colin Cowherd]

He gonna have the ball in his hand.

[Tyronn Lue]

Exactly. And so he was able to grow and figure it out, have his own team.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[Tyronn Lue]

And like, I mean anything hindsight 20 20, you can say, oh, I would have never done that. But who wouldn't have traded, you know, a first year player for a guy like pg, you know, to team up with Kawhi.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

Like anybody would have done that. They lied. They said they wouldn't have.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, and so now Shay was Shay now.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tyronn Lue]

It's not a question, but yeah, that was, that was a no brainer to me.

[Colin Cowherd]

Did you try, did you try to get, did you guys try to trade for Paul George when you was in Cleveland?

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, when he was in Indiana.

[Colin Cowherd]

And, and why, why didn't it happen?

[Tyronn Lue]

I don't remember.

[Colin Cowherd]

Damn.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, we tried to get him, PG.

[Colin Cowherd]

LeBron and Kyrie then. I see that might have been enough. That might have been enough to, to come back.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Cause now you can throw LeBron. I mean, obviously you let PG start with him and then you can have LeBron but you still got guys. Now you got three guys that can really score the basketball. LeBron, Kyrie and PG and Caleb can score.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

So that about.

[Tyronn Lue]

Man, we tried.

[Colin Cowherd]

Damn.

[Tyronn Lue]

Ooh.

[Colin Cowherd]

You gotta answer me this. This is what I wanna know. The bubble. Cause this is what I got, man. The Clippers didn't even want to be there, okay? They wanted to be there when they got the 31 lead. Once they lost the 31 lead, they didn't want to beat it. I'm like, what kind of boy drive is that? Am I wrong? So tell us. Explain to the people that was in the bubble, because I see a lot of people that didn't win try to undermine it, I think. Who was that that said something the other day about it? The gm, right? Gm? Was it David Griffin? No, the one that, the one at Philly.

[Tyronn Lue]

Maury.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. Daryl Morey, Darryl Mory. Now he almost blew the whole thing up talking about what he was talking about. And now he want to talk about the championship. Don't mean nothing. Now, had he won it, I guarantee you he wouldn't be talking about that.

[Tyronn Lue]

I'll take it. He give it to me, I'll take it.

[Colin Cowherd]

So how with the team that you guys had, did you lose a 31 lead and you guys had double digit leads in every game?

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, man, Jamal, Murray and Joker, like they took it to another level. Yeah, you know, they took it to another level and they played great. I mean, I mean, like I said, you know, if you build a 16, 15, 16 point lead, like you was doing something right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, and so it just. They played better than we did, you know, coming down the stretch, you know, and so if you get high at the right time, like you said, it's tough. And so being up 3:1 and having an opportunity to close them out and we would have done that, I think we could have won. We could have won the bubble. We could have won it. Yeah, I'd have took it.

[Colin Cowherd]

You took that championship. Doc would have took it.

[Tyronn Lue]

What you mean? Yeah, we took it.

[Colin Cowherd]

But after that, Doc ends up getting fired. He and PG have a back and forth. PJ said, well, I'm not playing the kind of basketball that I want to play. Maybe. He said, I think he wanted to run Pen Dines and Dogs had him running flares or whatever the case may be, you know, whatever the case may be. I've really never heard you say anything about, you know, obviously players move on. And you understand that having played in this game, having coached in this game, that players are Gonna move on. And sometimes we might've never get out, but we don't see eye to eye. Me and the player don't see eye to eye. Is there ever a scenario where you feel you would player said something that you would counter that or you just let it walk?

[Tyronn Lue]

I let it walk. I mean, unless it's something that's egregious or. Yeah. Testing my manhood, like, you wanna scrap? I ain't running from that. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, I ain't running from that. But, like, you know, players gonna be upset. They're gonna, you know, they're gonna say what they're gonna say. But I think if you're the leader and you're a coach, like, you gotta take the higher role, right? You know, I do believe in that. And so, you know, to me, like, I'm always gonna take the blame, whether.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm wrong or not, Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, and so if you're a leader at any corporation or any profession, like, if you the leader of the team, like, you should take the responsibility and you should take the blame.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

Even though, you know, 100% it wasn't right. But my job is to take that pressure off you guys so you're not getting crucified. And so that's just how I feel it should be, you know, and so I wouldn't go back and forth with a player, you know, I wouldn't do that.

[Colin Cowherd]

The Lakers had a vacancy. You was in the running. I think LeBron called you a couple of times, wanted you to take the job. Why didn't you take the job? I mean, you played for the Lakers. I mean, I think it's always a good story when a guy can go back and coach the team that he played for.

[Tyronn Lue]

I would have loved it. I mean, it'd been a dream come true. Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Why didn't you take the job?

[Tyronn Lue]

One, they offered me short years. They offered me three years, and I want to do five.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

I guess they were trying to tie me to LeBron. Two, the money was low and. No, no, no.

[Colin Cowherd]

Don't they know the cost of living in la?

[Tyronn Lue]

Well, I'm saying it wasn't low for, like, for me personally, the money, it was low for the head coach and. And for what it meant to everybody else going forward.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

It's kind of like, you know, the Players association, if you take a bad deal, they're gonna give us all bad deals.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right?

[Tyronn Lue]

And so I just felt for me being a championship coach and being black.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, I thought it was up to me to make sure I set the standard.

[Colin Cowherd]

Gotta take a stand.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. If I take a bad deal, then what's everybody else gonna get? You know, So I.

[Colin Cowherd]

Worse deal.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, a worse deal. So I just thought it was up to me, you know, to make sure I did that right. And then. And I. It's hard because, you know, loyalty is tough. But then I couldn't pick my coaching staff, you know. Huh. Well, they wouldn't let me pick my coaching staff, so they was gonna pick my coaching staff for me. And so I had to leave a lot of guys behind, which.

[Colin Cowherd]

What you mean pick your coaching staff?

[Tyronn Lue]

They wanted to pick my staff for me.

[Colin Cowherd]

So in other words, instead of saying, I want to hire, you know, John Drew or this guy, that guy, they're like, no, you got. You got him, him and him. Yeah, but you don't know them like that.

[Tyronn Lue]

I knew some of the guys. I mean, it wasn't. It wasn't a thing. Why I didn't like the guys they wanted me to hire. My thing was just leaving guys behind.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right?

[Tyronn Lue]

Like, so if I'm fired and my guys are out of work, then, you know, I get a job and just say, oh, forget them, and just leave them behind. Like, we won a championship together, right. Went to four straight finals together, like, you know what I'm saying? And so without what we've done, we showed, is it work? You know, and so I just felt that that wasn't. That wasn't something that I wanted to do. And so those three things kind of, you know, nipped it in the bud. And, you know, we went. I mean, it wasn't no bad blood. Like, it was just. It was what it was.

[Colin Cowherd]

It wasn't.

[Tyronn Lue]

And then, you know, Monty Williams.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Tyronn Lue]

Saved the world, you know, saying, getting that big deal.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Tyronn Lue]

And then because we had coaches and meetings in Chicago, just talking about, you know, it's gonna be harder to fire coaches if we make more money.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, and so they don't really respect us as leader, as the organization. Like, we running a billion dollar organization, you know, they don't really respect us. Like, we getting 3, 4 million. I mean, that's a lot of money. But I'm just saying, like, in the coaching world, they can just let you go. They paying, you know, some teams paying three, four or five coaches, you know what I'm saying? But like, Monty Williams. So I told Steve Kerr, I told Phoenix, I told Doc, I told spo, like, because this was like, you know, four years ago, y', all, the Face of the league for us coaches. Like, y' all gotta get the money up, like, you know what I'm saying?

[Colin Cowherd]

Right?

[Tyronn Lue]

And they was like, well, you know, whatever. And so two years later, Monty goes and gets Detroit. Yeah. And then he gets the bag. Then spo, Then Steve Kerr, then Pop, and then me. You know what I'm saying? Then, now everything's going up, you know, And I think it's fair. I think, you know, when you. You have a coach and there's 15 players and you, like, the 4th, 13th, 14th highest paid player, I mean. I mean, out of the players and the coaches, like, that ain't fair. Like, you know, and so I thought he did a really good job of just, you know, showing appreciation for coaches and, you know. Cause it's a hard. It's a hard job.

[Colin Cowherd]

I've always wanted to ask you this. Why do you, like, I look at you, you give John Wallace an opportunity, you give Russ an opportunity, you give Ben Simmons an opportunity. What is it about that? Why do you do that? Give guys an opportunity? Cause, you know, Ben, for whatever reason, seemed like he lost his confidence. And we'll touch on this a little later. John Wall had a situation. He went through some stuff with his mom, and he had some tough injuries. Russia, why do you do that, T. Lou?

[Tyronn Lue]

Because I played, and I understand. And so, you know, a lot of times you just need, you know, a coach that can give you confidence and get you back to, you know, where you want to get to, you know, and so I've been a player when, you know, the time's almost up, you know, like, the clock is running out, right? And, you know, you never want to see guys go out like that and having relationships with those guys, Right. And giving them opportunity. I will always do that. And so, you know, a lot of guys have career years playing under me because, like I said, I give them confidence. Or guys that didn't want to play the game no more, like Reggie Jackson and Nick Batum, and then they're playing six, seven, eight more years when they was ready to retire, you know, and so it's important to be able to give back, you know, to our guys in any way I can. And so I really enjoy that.

[Colin Cowherd]

What happened with Ben Simmons, you talk about a guy that was rookie of the year. He was an all NBA player. He was a perennial all star. And then all of a sudden, it just didn't click. Something happened. Me, I trace it back to that Atlanta game where he had a layup. I mean, he had a. It looked Like a dunk. And he passed it. And his coach was critical. The best player was critical. And I remember I was undisputed with Skip. I said, it's over. I said, he's never going to be the same. And he said, why you say that? I said, because the head coach said what he said and his best player said what he said. I said he broke his confidence. I said, in that city. And then, you know, you see the meme with this is Ben Simmons, and it's a trash can going down the street because the city is flooding. They broke his confidence, and he hadn't. He hasn't been the same player since. Now, I know he's had some injuries, but how do you. When a guy, he's the first overall pick, he's rookie of the year, he's a perennial all star. How does confidence. Confidence is that big of a thing.

[Tyronn Lue]

In basketball, T Lou, Confidence is everything in life, whatever you do, you know. And I come from one of the most confident places in the world. Mexico, Missouri. Listen, I'm telling you, you would think everybody down there is Michael Jordan. I'm saying everybody, you know, it doesn't matter, like, right. You know, from all my God, Damon to J Roll to Conrad to Stacy, to fit. Like, everybody think. They think they're it, you know, so having that confidence plays a big factor in everything you do. For me, I think I equated to just that, you know, that play, whatever. I don't think that changed. I think the injuries really set him back, you know, having two back surgeries, you know, then we acquired him this year. Seeing what his knee, you know, seeing like, how his knee was, you know, all things he had to fight through to be able to get on the floor, I think played a big role. I think you saw in Brooklyn last year, like, he was. He was good. He was back to being, you know, who he is. And Bethany didn't work with us, you know, last year, which I'm pissed off of myself about, is that he needs a ball in his hands and so does James and then so does Kawhi, you know what I'm saying?

[Colin Cowherd]

So it's hard.

[Tyronn Lue]

It was hard, and it was hard.

[Colin Cowherd]

Because he can't play off the ball.

[Tyronn Lue]

Exactly. Yeah. And you shouldn't want him to because the way he plays, the way he passes, his pace, the way he plays the game and how he can make people better, you don't want him off the ball, you know. And so it was just a tough dynamic. And I take full responsibility. I didn't figure it out the way I needed to, so he really didn't have a fair shake, so I'm still pissed about that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right. What's it like, Russ? No matter what you think about him, he has the most career triple doubles. He's the average triple double. I think, what, three seasons? He ain't gonna cheat you. You know exactly what you gonna get with Russell Westbrook. Hey, you gonna get an outstanding play, you gonna get a turnover, you gonna get an air ball, you're gonna get a big three. But he gonna give you every. And you can appreciate that every single.

[Tyronn Lue]

Night, every single practice, every single day. And the thing that. Which, you know, I equate him with LeBron, like, when you give great players like that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Tyronn Lue]

Always on time, early to the bus, early to the meetings, never late. Like, you know, that means a lot.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, that should show respect for your teammates or the staff and for, you know, who you're working with. And every day, he's going to bring it. No matter what, practice. Like I said, games shoot around. You know what you're going to get every single day. And you can respect that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right?

[Tyronn Lue]

So that's why so many people love Russ, because you know, every single day, you're going to get this, and you can't ask for anything more.

[Colin Cowherd]

What's it like being a coach for Steve Ballmer? You see him there? I've never seen an owner that has more emotion watching the game. I mean, he is a true fan because he goes through the gamut of emotions. Just like, I'm like, bro, you do realize you got like 100 billion and you supposed to be just sitting there, just like, stow it.

[Tyronn Lue]

Right?

[Colin Cowherd]

And he. Yeah, hey, every. Every shot, turnover. I mean, you could tell. I'm like, man, he's fully invested. 1,000.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, people just see the games and, like, how the game and, you know, his actions and reactions, whatever. But what I've learned from him is, Shannon, is that no matter how much money you have or how rich you are, you know, you could be a good person.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[Tyronn Lue]

And that's what he is like. To treat people the way he treats them, like, is like, if you got a guy who's worth 150 billion, and to treat everybody like. I mean, everything's so personal. Everything is, like, genuine, you know, he's not faking. He's not. He doesn't have to.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

He doesn't need anybody.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

But just see how he treats people. Like, it just goes to show, like. And that's why I try to be good to everybody that you come across because you know, you never know. And I just seeing how Steve Ballmer did for me in Mexico, what he's done for this organization, what he's done for the city of la, what he's done for the city of Seattle, like he's just a genuine person that's a great person. And you know, you don't see too many better human beings than he is.

[Colin Cowherd]

Hold on. He went back to you, to Mexico, Missouri with you on a private jet and stayed at the Best Western, Best.

[Tyronn Lue]

Western and said it was some of the best sleep he's had in a long time. So I said, you know what, if he can come and stay, anybody, I don't wanna hear nothing from nobody. Anybody can come and stay in Mexico. If Mr. Obama can come and stay in Mexico, only what five other people can say they can't. Outside of that, everybody else should come.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. Who's your favorite player to watch in.

[Tyronn Lue]

The NBA right now? Today.

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[Tyronn Lue]

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[Tyronn Lue]

I have a few. I love Ant Man. I love Tatum. Just from guys that are not on my team. Bill said love Steph, you know, still what he brings. Who am I missing, fella? Oh, Kyrie. Yeah, Kyrie.

[Colin Cowherd]

Kyrie be dancing.

[Tyronn Lue]

I mean, it's just so many great players. It's just hard to like remember. But like, yeah, Kyrie loves. See him dance. Yeah. I love Ant Man. The stuff talking.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Tyronn Lue]

And I think. And I love, you know, watching, you know, Tatum play.

[Colin Cowherd]

But your Tatum is a cousin of yours, correct? Y' all play real cousin or play play cousin?

[Tyronn Lue]

Real cousin.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay. Cause you know, sometimes, you know how we are too grown to play. Yeah, man, but you know, but you know, we are. We came up call somebody and we be closer kin to a German shepherd than the actual person.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

What you gotta help me understand where all this hate for JT come from.

[Tyronn Lue]

What hate?

[Colin Cowherd]

Man, they be killing jt, man. He ain't do this. And I wanna ask you. Cause you were there, how that man, a three time all NBA selection, they can't get but two minutes a game in the Olympics.

[Tyronn Lue]

Two minutes a game?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. Okay, my bad. Five.

[Tyronn Lue]

No, he played more than that.

[Colin Cowherd]

T. Lou, you gotta figure it out. You told me we've been sitting here for over an hour and a half and you say you could figure out how to get guys made, how to get guys shot. You mean to tell me you couldn't figure out how to get that man more getting that man on the court? More than that.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. I mean, I take responsibility because I'm part of the coaching staff, right? So whatever we decide to make as a staff, I'm never gonna go against that. I'm not gonna go whisper and say, oh, we should like, no, like once the decision's made. That's what. That's.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, everybody got to buy into it.

[Tyronn Lue]

That's what it is. And as much as it hurt me, like, you know, I thought, now you'll.

[Colin Cowherd]

Be, like, damn cool.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, I know. Like I'm saying, like, you know what I'm saying? I wanted to play. I thought he should be out there. But, like, you know, once you make a decision, I'm not gonna go be like, oh, man, this is the. No, I mean, that's the decision we.

[Colin Cowherd]

Made as coaches, staff.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. And I'm not gonna never throw a coach under the bus or a player or nobody else. You know what I'm saying? So, of course it's my cousin, so, you know, of course you want to.

[Colin Cowherd]

See him do well, right?

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. Hell, yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Upbringing? Mexico. Missouri. Hell, I. What was it like? What. What. What kind of town is Mexico, Missouri? What y'. All. What do y' all grow? What do y' all grow? Is it livestock? Y' all have, you know, you have corn?

[Tyronn Lue]

Bricks.

[Colin Cowherd]

Bricks.

[Tyronn Lue]

We was known for bricks.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay.

[Tyronn Lue]

AP greens and nationals. We were known. We were known for having the number one. Was it fire brick? Yeah, fire brick. I think, in. In the United States. And so that's where, like, all the money was generated from. And then when they closed those plans down, that's when, you know, Mexico kind of went, you know, went down. But to me, it was like a small city.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, because it's a town of 11,000 people. Well, back then, it was 13:5, but now it's like 11,000.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay.

[Tyronn Lue]

But it was a small city because you had people that did everything. So if you want to gamble. Yeah. All the guys taught you how to lock the dice or three car miles taught you how to, you know, whatever, you know, if you wanted to, you know, you don't get drugs. You had people who were, you know, went to college and had, you know, got degrees, so you had everything you needed around. And it's a small community, so you're getting that every single day, you know? And so you learn about it, you know, every single day, what you're supposed to do, what you're not supposed to do, what to get into, what not to get into. And what it teaches you is, like, when I got to the league, you know, you get around all these guys that grew up in the city, and you. And you look and they don't understand and see what's going on. Like, guys are cheating or when guys are locking the dice or they don't know what's going on, and you're looking like, damn. They're from the city, but they don't see what's going on.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right?

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, it kind of so like me, I'm like, in Mexico, you learn everything at an early age, right? You know, 10, 11, 12. You know, about gambling, you know, about, you know, if you're gonna be in, you know, the drugs scene, if you're gonna go out and party, if you're gonna be. Whatever you're gonna be, you can learn about it right now. And so I thought it really did a good job of just teaching me everything at a young age. So when I got older, I wasn't numb to none of the bullshit, you know what I'm saying? I've seen it. I've seen it from every. Every angle. And so that really helped me to grow. And like I said, just having the confidence that they have back home, like, from a, you know, crackhead to a. Whatever. Confidence, you know, they walk around, you know, just as confident as anybody else. And that's what I love about being in Mexico, because everybody's together and everybody's one. It don't matter, you know, what you done. If you dropped out of high school, if you dropped out of junior high, whatever. Like, we all people and we all together. And that's why, you know, I love it so much.

[Colin Cowherd]

You don't drink or smoke, Never tried it. Cause your father had a substance. Is that why it's such an abuse problem? Is that why?

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, I could say that. You know, my dad, you know, like I said, he smoked crack, you know, growing up. And I give him credit, you know, once he went to prison and got out, he's been clean for 23 years. Yeah. Never had a drink, never had a, you know, any drug. And we form a really great relationship. And so shout out to Ronald Kim for getting himself together. But, you know, that takes a lot.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, being on drugs the way he was and to be clean and for us to have a.

[Colin Cowherd]

Every day, Lou.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, as an addict, a recovering addict is every day.

[Tyronn Lue]

Every day.

[Colin Cowherd]

You got to drive by the liquor store, you got to drive by the package shop. You got to. Somebody smoking.

[Tyronn Lue]

Right.

[Colin Cowherd]

You gotta do this every single day for the rest of your life.

[Tyronn Lue]

And I'm a sugar addict. And I understand. And I understand. Well, Shirley Temples come out on the table.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know what I'm saying?

[Tyronn Lue]

I see it. You know, like I said, my grandpa, he drank a lot, and so I love my Grandpa Tyrone. So just seeing those things and how it, You Know, when my grandpa drank, when he come home at night, how he would act, you know, and how my dad was. And just, you know, seeing those dynamics, you know, made me want to stay away. And then also, like, it was like a badge of honor. Like, all my friends or, you know, they're drinking it. I don't want to do that. Like, I wanna be different, you know, and so it's 48 years now, so I ain't even doing it now.

[Colin Cowherd]

Hey. Yeah, you too late.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

You said you lived with your uncle and you spoke about your uncle a little briefly earlier. Two.

[Tyronn Lue]

Two different. Yeah, my uncle Jay. So I idolized basketball.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's not the one you live with?

[Tyronn Lue]

No.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. And I went and lived with my Uncle Kevin.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay. Is that your mom's brother or your dad's brother?

[Tyronn Lue]

My mom's brother.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. And so my sophomore year in high school, I got some trouble back home in Mexico, and the family came to an agreement that, you know, I needed to get out of there, like, you know, and have a father figure, be in a bigger city and have a chance to. Cause, like, teams wasn't coming. College coach wasn't coming to Mexico to recruit, you know, and so to try to display my. I took my talents to south beach, you know what I'm saying, and went to Kansas City. And my uncle, like I said, he took me in, you know, and as a sophomore, you know, that's tough. You know, he took me in and, you know, I hit the ground running. You know, it was. It was hard because in Mexico, you used to being out on the streets till 1, 2 in the morning, you know, you being policed and by all the different, you know, my mom's, you.

[Colin Cowherd]

Know, friend or, you know, the community that raised you.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

So ain't you such and such, boy?

[Tyronn Lue]

Right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. You know, better.

[Tyronn Lue]

Right. And so you get to Kansas City, it's a big city, you know, and so it was. The dynamics were different, you know, having to be, you know, in at a certain time and, you know, being, you know, being more safe.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, it was. It was. It was. It was an adjustment for me, but I needed it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, and so, you know, Kevin took me in and did my three years there, and then I was able to go to Nebraska from there, and then kind of, you know, so it got my life on track because I was going the wrong direction. So it was very much needed.

[Colin Cowherd]

You had some health issues. Dealt with some chest pains this past season. Damn coaching. Stressful, huh?

[Tyronn Lue]

This season?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. Was it Last season, a couple years. Where was it?

[Tyronn Lue]

In Cleveland.

[Colin Cowherd]

Cleveland?

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, in Cleveland. Well, this year, I had no. I messed my back up. Yeah. My shoulder and my back.

[Colin Cowherd]

What'd you do?

[Tyronn Lue]

I'm trying to get big like you, man.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know what I'm saying?

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, trying to throw that weight around and all that. Just. You know what I'm saying? I know better, man. Them days are over, man.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, man.

[Tyronn Lue]

And so I had, you know, I messed my back up.

[Colin Cowherd]

That was sciatica.

[Tyronn Lue]

No, it was like.

[Colin Cowherd]

It was like this. Oh, you're fine.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. And so. But Cleveland.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Tyronn Lue]

Is when I had the chest pain. Didn't understand what was going on. Like, you know, I felt like a heart attack.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, or whatever. Heart attack you think feel like.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

And I was scared to sleep at night because, like, these sharp pains were like, just, like, shoot through my chest. I'm like, I was scared to go to sleep because I didn't know what was going. So I wasn't sleeping. And we did all the tests, and so I went to Cleveland Clinic.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Tyronn Lue]

And I did all, like, the EKGs, the echo test, and the treadmill, all that stuff. And so the doctor said, listen, you might die, but it won't be from your heart. Your heart is perfectly fine. So, like, damn. Like, what's. So I was like, okay, I feel better about that. You know, whatever. So we still kept trying to find what was going on and got with a doctor, and he said, oh, man, you're experiencing anxiety and depression, you know, and so I was like, depression? I'm from Mexico. I ain't depressed. Like, yeah, I ain't depressed. Whatever. He's like, nah. Like, that's what you're experiencing. And so he was like, I want you to do this. So they had some medication for me to take for a couple weeks. I took some time off, which I. Give Cleveland.

[Colin Cowherd]

Give me the opportunity to do that.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, yeah. They were really, like, serious about it. And I give Kobe Albin a lot of credit for just saying, listen, take the time you need. Don't on this. So took a couple weeks off, changed my diet, you know, took some medication, started doing yoga and all that stuff, and it helped. And then I got the medication, like, right after the playoffs. And so the guy. The doctor said, my happy place is gambling. Like, being in Vegas. Yeah, being in Vegas and the playoffs, really, that was my happy place. And so he's like, anytime you get a chance. So, like, what was crazy is, like, our general manager, like, David Griffin, he'd come to the house. Two times a week we'd have a poker game, you know. So like, they did everything they could to, you know, keep me engaged. But once I found that out, but like, it hasn't been a problem ever since. But like, that was some stressful times.

[Colin Cowherd]

How many hours a night were you sleeping?

[Tyronn Lue]

Probably three, tops. Damn.

[Colin Cowherd]

Hell, I might be stressed and anxiety.

[Tyronn Lue]

Three times.

[Colin Cowherd]

But I mean, since I retired, I mean, I used to sleep fairly good when I was a player, but once I got to a certain age, I don't.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. I mean. Cause when you get older, you don't sleep.

[Colin Cowherd]

Grandmother don't sleep. But when you have a chest, papa, I wonder why. Cause them old people be up.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

They go to bed at seven o', clock, but they up at three.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. So. But when you go to bed and you're having chest pain, then sometimes you spitting up blood, like. And you don't know what's going on.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Tyronn Lue]

You know, so like, you know. Cause like, coaching is tough. Like when you want to be the best. When you want to win and get the best player in the world.

[Colin Cowherd]

You weren't eating too many oxtails and hog maw and stuff like that, were you?

[Tyronn Lue]

No, no. You got a lot of sugar. A lot of sugar.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, you so you like. So you got sweet tooth sweets.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Cause we see Coach Popovich had to retire. I mean, obviously coaching is very stressful.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yes.

[Colin Cowherd]

Because you coach a team and the expectations are very, very high. You understand that? You understand when you get into this profession what is expected of you. So it ain't no pretense. Well, you know, I'm with this team. It ain't that no more. Hey, it's now. And the players that you have, you got a guy that was a top 75 player. As a matter of fact, you got two of them on your team. So the expectations, right, is to win.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yes.

[Colin Cowherd]

You feel that?

[Tyronn Lue]

I like that. Yeah, I like that. Because if you're in position to win a championship, that's all you. That's all.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's all you can ask for.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, that's all you can ask for. So if it was a situation where you're not playing for a championship, you're not competing for a championship, what we doing this for? Yeah, you know, what we doing this for? I like those expectations.

[Colin Cowherd]

Give me all time starting five teammates, your former teammates, guys that you play.

[Tyronn Lue]

With far as talent or who I love.

[Colin Cowherd]

Give me your starting five. Who you going to start with? You got. You got five. You got to start in five.

[Tyronn Lue]

But you Know, I'm saying who I like the most or who the best.

[Colin Cowherd]

Players you had to put together a starting five. Of the five teammates, who would it be and why?

[Tyronn Lue]

Shaq.

[Colin Cowherd]

Shaq is one.

[Tyronn Lue]

Kobe.

[Colin Cowherd]

Kobe.

[Tyronn Lue]

Jordan.

[Colin Cowherd]

Jordan.

[Tyronn Lue]

T. Mac.

[Colin Cowherd]

T. Mac.

[Tyronn Lue]

Oh, damn. Yao. Me?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, we got Yao.

[Tyronn Lue]

Dirk.

[Colin Cowherd]

Dirk.

[Tyronn Lue]

J. Kidding. Hey, I'm sorry if I leave anybody. So, I mean, you're going by position, right? So Shaq. Dirk. Kobe, Jordan.

[Colin Cowherd]

You can put TMac in there. You can put JK in there.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. Go big.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah. TMac, Cole. Jordan. Dirk. Shaq.

[Colin Cowherd]

Damn, that's nice. That's a nice little squad. Y' all might win some championships. Has ring culture become a problem? We kind of touched on this a little bit earlier. Because now, if you ain't got a. Now, if you ain't got a ring, you.

[Tyronn Lue]

I think. I think it has. I think it become. It's become a problem because now you have guys thinking that winning is more important than loyalty and doing it the right way. And it's not their fault. But it's like you said, it's what is projecting to the world now. I think it's hard to see franchises draft great players, young players, and you're willing to grow with. But they leave to, you know, to try to pursue a championship because they think that's what's going to get them, you know, to this point, to the pinnacle. And so I just think, yeah, it's definitely, you know, clouded our game, you know, just as far as saying, oh, you got to win. You got to win championship. Like, you just gotta be a great player and a great person. Like, everything else gonna take care of itself, you know. And so I know, Steve, it ain't.

[Colin Cowherd]

No guarantee even if you go someplace you're gonna win a championship.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, exactly. You know, and so I think winning is important. Like, you play to win.

[Colin Cowherd]

Correct.

[Tyronn Lue]

That's the number one goal. Like, that's the ultimate goal, you know. But I think there's the right way to do it, though. Like, you can't sell yourself, you know, because you want to win a champion. Like, I just, you know, it's just so. So to me, being the best player you can be, doing it the right way. Grind to get to that point, I think is important. And it's more of a feeling when you do it that way.

[Colin Cowherd]

Is the era of the super teams over?

[Tyronn Lue]

Yes, I think so. Because of the way, you know, the cap is structured now. The first April, they're gonna punish you. Yeah, it's gonna be hard.

[Colin Cowherd]

If you wanna spend a billion dollars a year to try to win the championship. The NBA say, be my guest.

[Tyronn Lue]

And then also, like, if you're gonna do it, it's gonna be with older talent. Guys is 35, 36. They're gonna take less money to try to win. But I think the super teams, and especially the way the game is played now, right, with all the cutting, slashing, picking up full court, like, stars ain't doing, like. So you need three or four guys around to do the dirty work, you know, so it's gonna be a little different. So it might be one here, here, or there, but for the most part.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think that's over expectations for the Clippers this season.

[Tyronn Lue]

To win at a high level. To me, I want to get to the conference finals or better, and we have a talented team to do it. Like, our biggest thing over the years has been health, you know, which has held us back and still think about and dream about my first year. Like, Kawhi don't get hurt that year.

[Colin Cowherd]

Like the Utah series.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yeah, he gets hurt. We beat the number one seed, Utah, and then we play in the conference finals against Phoenix, go to game six. You know, PG had a hell of a, you know, series and, you know, came up short, you know, and so every year has been something, you know, Kawhi's missed every playoff series. PG's been out for playoff series, and so it's just been tough. So for me, I think with our coaching staff, you know, the team that we've assembled with, you know, Jeff Van Gundy, like I said, Brian Shaw's done a great job. Jay Laranega, you know, Larry Drew, Jeremy Castleberry, Dante. So we got a great group of guys that have played the game, and some are that understands the game and been head coaches before. And so I think with that dynamic with our players, I think we got a chance to be pretty good. So I'm excited about it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Clippers head coach Tyron Lue, ladies and.

[Tyronn Lue]

Gentlemen, thank you very much.

[Colin Cowherd]

Appreciate you, bro.

[Tyronn Lue]

Yes, sir. All my life been grinding all my.

[Colin Cowherd]

Life Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price, wanna slice, got to roll the dice that's why all my life I be grinding.

[Tyronn Lue]

All my life look all my life.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Tyronn Lue]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Tyronn Lue]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Tyronn Lue]

This is an I Heart Podcast.