Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Sorsby granted injunction + Joey Porter Jr. contract negotiations

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe – Part 1:

Sorsby Granted Injunction + Joey Porter Jr. Contract Negotiations

Date: June 12, 2026
Hosts: James "Debo" Harrison & Joe Hayden

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Episode Overview

This episode sees NFL greats James "Debo" Harrison and Joe Hayden dive deep into three hot topics: the latest NBA playoff drama, the breaking college football controversy surrounding Texas Tech quarterback Brandon Sorsby’s gambling suspension and surprising injunction, and a candid look at Joey Porter Jr.’s contract negotiations with the Steelers. The conversation is fast, real, and loaded with both insights as former pros and the unique banter of two friends who’ve seen it all.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NBA Playoff Reactions & Ticket Hysteria

(03:20 - 25:16)

Spurs vs. Knicks: Tactical Shifts and Player Analysis

• Joe and Debo break down last night’s Spurs vs. Knicks playoff game, focusing on the impact of keeping key big men away from the basket.
• Joe Hayden: “When Wimby is being aggressive, when Wimby’s attacking the rim, there’s nothing really that they can do to stop him.” (06:00)
• Discussion of Knicks’ support players underperforming (Mikal Bridges, Shamet), while stars like Brunson and Josh Hart held up.
• Debo: “It’s gonna be a good series. The way Wimby came in there, he went to work.” (09:15)

The “Mush” Play & Physicality

• The hosts discuss the memorable moment when Wemby delivered a stiff-arm to Jalen Brunson.
• Joe Hayden: “He’s trying to take away that soft Frenchman jump by himself... I’m going to mush Brunson in the back of the head. And then he laughed. No flag!” (12:26)
• The two poke fun at missed referee calls and Shaq’s laughable support for the play.

Ticket Prices, Scalping, and the Value of Experience

• Spirited debate on whether, for astronomical prices, hosts would sell season tickets to major playoff games.
• Debo: “If you come up to me talking about... your ticket for this joint will be fifteen hundred dollars, and they're selling for... 25,000? Joe, they gone.” (21:02)
• Joe: “That’s when they asking you how much does it cost for the experience. You want to be in the building.” (15:50)
• Stories about selling tickets, the stress of watching live versus at home, and when money trumps fandom—even for family.

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2. Brandon Sorsby/Texas Tech Gambling Ruling

(26:31 - 48:08)

Background & Legal Update

• Texas Tech QB Brandon Sorsby granted injunction by a Lubbock, TX judge, allowing him to play despite NCAA gambling violations.
• Debo: “As soon as you made the bet, you’re ineligible. You know what the rules is.” (31:00)
• Over 9,000 bets placed by Sorsby, $90k wagered, and 40 bets on his own team.
• Judge's reasoning was “irreparable injury” to Sorsby’s career; only faces a two-game suspension, not expulsion.

Integrity of the Game & NCAA Precedent

• Joe Hayden: “Gambling is the one thing... it takes away everything of the legitimacy of the game, of how we play it and what it's all about.” (28:14)
• Joe and Debo are especially firm: zero tolerance for gambling, with comparison to other “death sentence” violations (i.e., steroids).

Institutional Reaction & Boycotts

• Discussion of Big 12/Big Ten and athletic directors (notably Nebraska AD Troy Dannen) refusing to schedule Texas Tech.
• Debo: “If you allow this to happen... every player that... gets into an issue like this, all they go do is point back to this right here.” (42:49)

Notable Quotes

• Debo: “Nobody wants to take accountability for their own actions. You knew what this was going into it.” (33:37)
• Joe: “You can go get help. But you're not going to be able to play in college football.” (36:57)
• They highlight the double standards—NFL star Josh Gordon banned for weed, while admitted gamblers get second chances.

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3. Joey Porter Jr. and the Steelers’ Contract Negotiations

(49:13 - 57:14)

Contract Status and Market Analysis

• The Steelers and CB Joey Porter Jr. are not close on an extension; debate centers on market value and team strategy.
• Joe: “Normally it's going to be right before training camp... it's gonna be a little bit. Both of them might have to give. I feel like both of them have to maybe give a little bit.” (49:49)
• Comparison of top contracts (Trent McDuffie, Stingley, JC Horn) and where Porter Jr. fits—between $25-31M annual value.
• Debo: “...a three year extension that adds to that fourth year... For them to get any type of break from that break in the market number, I think they're going to have to basically guarantee the full contract.” (54:02)

Real Talk: Negotiations and Player Perspective

• Debo shares stories of hard-nosed contract negotiations and his own resentment over lame opening offers.
• Debo: “‘Tell them these words right here... kiss my black ass.’ That’s where I was at.” (53:24)
• Discussion of the importance of guaranteed money, agents wanting to “reset the market,” and how both sides see the deal.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “That’s a whole year and a half of living for me. Joe, it’s gone.” — Debo, on selling tickets for huge profits (21:14)
• “It's a zero, zero game policy. Because for one thing, you're playing a game that's like outside of it. I want to know when we're going into this game, we're playing the game for just, just to play the game... zero gambling policy.” — Joe (29:30)
• “You can go work somewhere else. You ain’t even going to jail for this, bro. You just can’t play football anymore.” — Debo (44:00)
• “If you don’t stand for something, you go fall for anything. Good job over there, Troy Dannen, somebody doing something, saying something.” — Debo (35:47)
• “He expects, when you’re looking at numbers... they’re looking at what’s the market look like. 31 is the highest paid corner, Trent McDuffie... so we’re looking at between Joey Porter Jr. trying to figure out, man, am I trying to reset the market.” — Joe (50:53)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• NBA Playoff Breakdown & Ticket Prices: 03:20 – 25:16
• Brandon Sorsby Gambling & NCAA Precedent: 26:31 – 48:08
• Joey Porter Jr. Contract Talks: 49:13 – 57:14

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Takeaways

• Debo & Joe are unwavering about sports integrity—gambling is a red line, no exceptions.
• The Sorsby injunction isn’t just about one player; it’s a fundamental challenge to how college sports maintain standards.
• The passion and inside perspective on contract negotiations spotlight the financial chess game between athletes and franchises.
• Their chemistry delivers both laughter and hard truth—equal parts unfiltered and authentic.

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Final Note:
If you’re seeking real talk on the intersection of sports, business, and ethics—with some laughs along the way—this episode is a must-listen for fans of football and beyond.

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[Joe Hayden]

Beautiful day, brother Debo. Beautiful day. We here. I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm liking you. I'm liking your shirt, I'm liking your hat.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

Okay?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Spent some money, you know what I'm saying, To represent, you know what I'm saying? I got a fresh new hat. I went and splurged, you know what I'm saying? I spent a good, you know, about, about 40, 50, you know, I like it, I like it.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, I came through with the fiesta came through with the fiesta golf shirt. You know, my brother's brand. You know what I'm saying looking, looking sweet, looking super cozy, looking super comfortable. Shout out, yes, sir.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yes, sir. Shout out. Hey, Joe. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe. What's up, coach?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey. Hey.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What do you think about that game last night? Where you at? Where your mind at, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

So my mind is. It's getting interesting. It's getting interesting. I don't. So obviously no more sweep. Gentleman. Sweep is still in process. But the way that the spurs was playing yesterday. Debo, what we were talking about, he's skinny, he's frail. Get him moving towards the rim as quick as possible. He was moving towards the rim when he was catching them. Oops. When you, when you keep him, when he gets close to the basket, when he's setting those picks and gets the rolling anywhere close to the rim, anywhere behind the. The defenders, they just throwing the ball up, throwing it up to the rim. When he's getting those early dunks, those like getting involved like that, that's going to be trouble for the Knicks. We got to keep him away from the basket if they want to have any chance of winning. When they keeping him outside, when he's settling for threes, when he's settling for the jump shots, that's when the Knicks have him where we want him. When he's rolling. It was assist too. Like Castle, the people there, there, the. The. A lot of his, A lot of his touches. He didn't have to just create itself. It wasn't just ISO ball, give it to me at the top of the key. Now I gotta jab, step, use all of my. No, he's coming off the screen. I'm rolling towards the rim. They just throwing it up there. And when he's just touching and he's just finessing the ball, he's up at the back, top of the backboard, just finessing it, finger rolling it in. You know what I'm saying? Like those moves is when Wimby is being aggressive, when Wimby's attacking the rim, when there's nothing really that they can do to stop him.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, yeah, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Cass, on the other hand, balling. So I mean, obviously we knew the spurs were a great team too. They got in this position for a reason. They beat Oklahoma City. The Knicks beating them at their crib two times in a row made it look crazy. But now the Knicks couldn't defend their home court. They came in New York all hype, season ticket holders trying to contemplate, if I'm going to go to the game, am I going to sell everybody?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They would sell this game. But I'm Going to be there for the final. When they closed it out for the four.

[Joe Hayden]

When they close it out, man, now you counting your ducks before they hatch. So all I know is it's. It's going to be a good series. I think both like the same way. Yesterday the Knicks, Jalen Brunson played okay, but Mikhail Bridges, the side guys didn't really ball as much. Mikhail Bridges only had two points, you know what I'm saying? Shamet, my man Tre Ball, Shamon44, he's one for seven. He had good looks.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I liked it.

[Joe Hayden]

I was like, okay, that's Cash. He wasn't. He wasn't hitting no shots. So, you know, OG played well. Josh Hart was great during this offensive game. Carl Anthony Towns wasn't as aggressive as he was before. And I said, that's what's going to be the big thing if Carne Towns plays better than Wimby. That's what he did the first.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I don't know about better. I don't know better. I mean, I'll say.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, not.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Not better.

[Joe Hayden]

I wasn't as effective sub. Sub not say wouldn't be. Just. Just almost even.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I mean, you still like Wimby? Like Wimby's even is still like, you know, it's a double double with some blocks and all that other stuff. Like he ain't.

[Joe Hayden]

That's the same thing. Car. Last game he scored 11 and he had. He had 11 points and eight boards. Before this he was averaging 19 and 12, right? 19. And that's what the first two games, that's what he did. Last game he gave us 11 and 8. That's not.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Wimby gave us 32 playoffs previous year. I'm not worried about saying.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, this playoff series he's been.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Might it might it might be. It might be, you know, he might be falling back. I don't know. I don't know though. I'm just saying, like, when we came in there, he went to work. Work, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Immediately he did him.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He went to work with Fox. Did they want to. You know what I'm saying? Thursday, yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Dylan Hopper had 13 champagne.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Totally self destruct. They stealth destructed a little bit right there the first quarter, bro. I'm like, oh, they about to go do it. And then halftime came and I'm like, bam, y' all down by seven. What happened right then? I'm like, oh, yeah, it's over with, man. They're going down this he.

[Joe Hayden]

The first two games, Carl Anthony Towns was Out playing Wemby last game. Last time he did not.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

No.

[Joe Hayden]

So I think that that was a big difference. Castle went on bold. Dylan Harper, Champenney, de' Aaron, Fox. I think the others for the Knicks didn't like my man Mikhail Bridges only had two points. We need more from you. Mikayla, Sham it one for seven for three, you know what I'm saying? So we only lost by four points, but not by four. I am. See, You were saying sweep, sweep.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I understand that, but I Originally I was thinking win. I just. I just. I was like. I was thinking like if they lost this, it was gonna be a sweep. Now, like they done won this game. Joe, this puts me in a little bit different of a mindset, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Do you think it's going to be. Obviously, do you think it's. Is the series still over or do you think it's going to be a gentleman suite?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, I don't know this. The only reason I think that I don't. It could still be. Listen, it could. The only reason I think it could still be what you call a gentleman suite is like Brunson, he was in file trouble. So he ain't really play as much as he should have played last night. And he still got. What was it, 30, 32, something like that. Like, so they ain't really having like that. And then when you look at it, I think it was almost what, the fourth quarter, they first nine or ten threes. Them boys shot. They missed everything.

[Joe Hayden]

They missed everything.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I don't see that going like that again, you know what I'm saying? That's. That's hard to do. Miss. Miss 10 are your first in all in the fourth quarter when it's first time, like back there.

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And then they started turning the ball over. They started having a little turnovers at the wrong time. Spurs holding on to the rock. I think they only had what, what, six, seven, eight turnover, something like that?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

The whole game. So. Yes, bruh, like, I don't know, maybe. Maybe Wimby, he need to go ahead and get his cell phone out there, you know, paint up some. You know what I'm saying? Go hit some statues, all that. Chill out. You know, he said he needed to relax. You know, that's what he needs.

[Joe Hayden]

You saw him out there just drawing Wemby. Wimby's just. You, you. There's no reason not to like Wimby. Well, did you see the stiff arm that he gave my man Brunson?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Bro, listen, listen, that.

[Joe Hayden]

Wow.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I Think he started. He was hearing everybody talking about he was light and all that. He said, you know, I'm gonna get somebody.

[Joe Hayden]

He's, he's trying to take away that soft Frenchman jump by himself. I'm not going. I'mma show y'. All. I'm not going. I'm going to mush Brunson in the back of the head. And then he laughed. No, no flag.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, yo, yo, listen. That's what I was thinking. To hell with a flower.

[Joe Hayden]

I said, oh, oh, y'. All, Y' all get the. Reviewing everything. You see, my man gave him the real mush and brush. Walking over to him like, bro, you. I'm glad he kept his cool. But I'm like, y' all didn't.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

All these cameras, all these. How you miss that?

[Joe Hayden]

And he mean mush, my man. And you heard Shaq was like this. I like it. Get the, get his, get his little ass off you. I say, oh, okay, okay. He's trying to. Okay. That's how they, that's how they going.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

The Knicks fans, them boys, they, they, they wasn't happy, bro. That's how I like. I ain't gonna say I like to see him like that, but they needed to cool off, bro. They need to cool off.

[Joe Hayden]

It was a little, it was a little.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It was a little too high. Getting out of control.

[Joe Hayden]

They had, they, they overconfident.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They had me talking crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

You was hyped.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You know what I'm saying? Like, no, y' all, listen, calm down. They put y' all back where y' all need to be. You know what I'm saying? Now, you know, we'll make them go crazy, though. And then boys going there and beat them game four and tie this thing up, too.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my lamb.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

See, they gonna start talking about, man, they always raise us up to let us down, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Man, it's, look, that's, that's just home court advantage. Nobody don't care. Nobody's won on nobody's home court yet. Hey, so somebody gotta stand up and somebody, Somebody gotta stand up that.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Listen, Joe, for real. Ticket prices didn't drop, though. Ticket price didn't drop. I mean, they don't went down. They talking about, well, you know. No.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Let me tell you, Debo. I, I, I did, I did my math. So say the season ticket holder seats were the four. They four to 600 now for the high rises. Now they're looking at it. They were trying to sell their tickets. They were saying, oh, 11,000. Oh, 10,000 before the game started. It's as high as somebody's gonna pay. So the people that got those tickets paid on ticket price 700. They're trying to spank people. So it got down to about 4, 800 is what they would let it go for. You know what I'm saying? Before the game starts. So I think now with this one, a good thing, it's going to go down a significant amount. But it's just the, the, the, the, the frenzy. Like it's like a shoe release kind of like if everybody just chills.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Legend, listen, it ain't about killing and it's about them boys lost. That's what happened.

[Joe Hayden]

And they. No, no, a thousand percent.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You was down by 11, man. They was trying to get him off way they. They was trying to. Man, just give me the face on it, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

After they spent, the people that the, the ones that sold ecstatic. I didn't want to go. I, I could have made, I could

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

have made watching the l. What I tell you, Joe, when you sent me that post.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh yeah, you, you would have sold.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I said I sold 3 and 4 right then and there

[Joe Hayden]

for sure.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Both of them, man. I'd have been sitting pretty right now too.

[Joe Hayden]

That's when they, that but that's when they asking you how much does it cost for the experience? Only again I'm like, you could like you want to be in the building.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It's crowded, it's loud. You ain't gonna be relaxed.

[Joe Hayden]

But that's.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I' ma be sitting there at home, feet kicked up, eating and drinking whatever it is that I want. And it ain't gonna cost me an arm and a leg, Joe. And you know what? I'm gonna make 40, 50, 60, 70, 80,000. 90 hundred. Now you still look.

[Joe Hayden]

Ask the same for the Steelers Stillers Steelers fans that owns season tickets. If their ticket price would say it was the same thing, do you think they would sell their tickets? Some people would.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What did I say in the text?

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[Joe Hayden]

Oh, me. You letting your Steelers tickets fly?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm letting you lie. You say you let

[Joe Hayden]

me tweet.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Joe. Yeah. I told you. It could be the Steelers about to win the eighth title for the most Super Bowls in NFL history. If you come up to me talking about. I can.

[Joe Hayden]

Your tickets are 700.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I can't get. They're gonna be usually about 1500. Whatever. But just.

[Joe Hayden]

Just say this, say this. Say this. Your ticket now is. Your ticket for this joint will be fifteen hundred dollars, and they're selling for. Somebody will buy it from you for 25,000.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Joe, they gone.

[Joe Hayden]

They gone. Yo.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Okay. Gone.

[Joe Hayden]

Right?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

All right, so listen. Okay, they was. They was further than that. Dude, they.

[Joe Hayden]

They selling. They selling stuff for.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What was it? 40, 80, $60,000? Yeah. Yo, what we talking about? College tuition, all that good stuff. Joe, that's a whole year and a half of living for me. Joe, it's gone.

[Joe Hayden]

I hear you.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm selling it. You know what? The experience they willing to pay for. I'm willing to sit at home and get in greater comfort than being.

[Joe Hayden]

That's the.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm.

[Joe Hayden]

If. See, I had to. I went. I'm going to the Cavs. If it's for. No, it got to be a significant amount. I'm going to.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Okay, hold up, Joe. I went to you. You don't pay for it. That's right. I forgot.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no. When it got to finals, when I don't play for regular season, but when it gets to finals, they can make so much money on it. My man Goodman. I get it for ticket. Okay.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So I get it value. Say it was.

[Joe Hayden]

It was like. It was 2500.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I thought you would say the other one. Okay, 2500.

[Joe Hayden]

Perfect. 25 per ticket. So it's 5000 for two. 5000.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Listen, this is a little different. You can't sell your ticket when he giving it to you for face value. But if you got season tickets and you're paying, say, 2500 a seat for, you know, whatever it is, and somebody come.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. And they're next to me for 25 bands no, I'm not.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

No, to hell with that. Joe, it's not 25 bands. Your season tickets is 2500. You got two of them. That's five grand a game. And how many games is it?

[Joe Hayden]

80.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What will you get?

[Joe Hayden]

41. Because you just get them for 82 games.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So you talking about, what is it, two, 220,000, $210,000, right? Somebody say, I want them two tickets, Joe. He go, two hundred and fifty. I can't hear you.

[Joe Hayden]

Wow. Yeah, the mic.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

The mic messed up my ass. Give me that money. They was getting season different one game, Joe, and they could have sold the next game for the 25.

[Joe Hayden]

They can be bought. My tickets gonna be the ones that's up there. The astronomical number. They'll be like, oh, man, the cash tickets itself are 250, 000. The ticket. No. That's the only way they're gonna get me.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Come to me, man. Bro, I need this, man. I'm gonna give you 250 for game three. And. And I give you 250 for game four. I'm gonna tell them, look here, man, it's gonna be hard for me to do. You know how bad I want to be there.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo, you ain't saying that you letting.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm trying to kick up the price a little bit. Listen, I tell you what, okay, if he asked for one game, I'mma tell him. Listen, if I'm a miss three, I might as well not even go, bro. So if you buy four or two, I give, I get.

[Joe Hayden]

You trying to sell them, right? You going to sell it before my

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

game is we up too old, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I need to see them win three, and then. Then we gonna see then at home.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You know what I could do with that money? I just made my whole season ticket price back, plus another season you can go and buy a whole nother season that's an investment and hope they do the same thing next year. You ain't tripping because you got that. You got. You got that old money. You got the old NFL money, Joe. That's why you ain't tripping. Joe, listen, they give me that. Listen, I'm. My mama could be going to the game, excited. She got everything together. She. She dressed to the nines, got a purse locked up under there, got a girlfriend with her and all and that, and. And they called me and say, hey, bro, 250 for them two tickets. Hey, mama gone. Mama. Hey, baby, I got you. I got you going on a little vacation for a weekend over here. But you ain't going to this game. I'm sorry.

[Joe Hayden]

No. We going to the most fire watch party you ever seen.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yes, ma'. Am. Listen, I'm trying to tell you, man. I'm Joe. God in my witness, bro. I can't. Listen, I'm gonna go ahead and slide in some game. I ain't gonna tell her what it. I ain't gonna tell her what it went for though. Because you know, she go. She gonna want a little more than what then what.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. It's gonna have to the casino.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm saying, mama, look here, you ain't going to this game. But what I'm gonna do, I'm send you to Vegas. Send you to Vegas for the weekend. And I'm gonna give you this money and you go ahead. You had yourself give it time. You ain't your girlfriend. Y' all have yourself a good time

[Joe Hayden]

a little bit over the profits and go ahead and say, okay, I'm with you. I understand. Yes, Debo, I understand. I'm just saying it's going to take a certain a number.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

You start talking about a quarter of a million dollars to. Then I'm with you. When I'm saying like 25 there, I'm like, you really want to be in the building.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

But think about it was what whatever they were they were selling them for over with their season ticket price was that they let it go sooner.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I feel you. I'm with. I. I hear you. I hear you. Next fan they was if they didn't sell the tickets. I know they were sad. They lost out on.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They don't lost out on the bag bag. Especially now. Especially now. No close out, man. With the possibility of the closeout though. If they had one. Oh my goodness, bro. They listen bro. That the price of the tickets would have been higher than giraffe around there. I'm trying to tell you. Oh, wait, that's facts like goodness. Look here, man. Texas Tech's quarterback Brandon Sorby. Source bait. Sourceby. Okay. Has reportedly been granted an injunction he requested by a judge in district court in Lublin, Texas. So Lubbock. Lubbock County, Texas. Sorry, man. Sorby Is now expected to be eligible for the 2026 college football season. The judge reasoning for granting the injunction to the Texas quarterback was this court finds that Sorb. How you say that name. Source. Source B. Will suffer a probable imminent and irreal irreparable. Irreparable injury without the injunction because he will not be able to participate as a member of The Texas Tech University 2026 football team. Joe, what do you have to say about that?

[Joe Hayden]

This is crazy. And I say this, Debo, just because as the one biggest thing for me as a football player and when we was playing was gambling is not something you can do. It is not something you can do. Gambling is the one thing in the, in the game.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

But why is this even a question, bro? Like, why is.

[Joe Hayden]

It shouldn't be a question at all. That's why I'm saying. It's literally in my eyes, crazy from the perspective of me being a football player. And the one thing. There's certain things you cannot do at your job that you cannot do, that you cannot do. It's the. It takes away everything of the legitimacy of the game, of how we play it and what it's all about. It is always about, like the one thing. When I got into the league and I would say they did a bunch of things wrong, but the one thing they. They harked on it. Every single thing. We had these gambling meetings and one thing you knew. Do not gamble. There is a zero, zero game policy. Because for one thing, you're playing a game that's like outside of it. I want to know when we're going into this game, we're playing the game for just, just to play the game. That. That's just one thing. When you get the gambling involved in it. I know it's super huge with the now the NFL having all these deals with DraftKings, with FanDuel, all these sponsorships. But there's a certain thing that's the rule that I knew. Like, like, like steroids. It's over. All of that was gambling. That's one thing where that you, like. I. It's. It's so like people. I would never talk about it because it seems like not even wouldn't talk about it. It's just something that I was so against and I felt like everybody that I played with, we just knew that the game is the game. We're out here, we're playing. Everybody has a job to do. And the legitimacy of the game is, you know, one thing you're trying your best depending on if you're betting on your team to win, lose unders overs because you know, all that stuff. Forget all that, like zero gambling policy.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Zero.

[Joe Hayden]

One thing where that's just gray. There's no gray. That's one thing that is white and it's black. There's gambling on sports and now you're actually putting bets on your team, on your actual team. So like the questions of now, him being able to get cleared and being.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not a question, bro, he is clear.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no. That's what I'm saying, not the question. I'm saying him being cleared and being able to play makes right, the NCAA look crazy. Because now you talk about the laws, the judges that can go over your rulings when you try to say, no, this dude is suspended indefinitely. Now you could just go to a court and get a judge to say, no, no, no, he's in the NCAA now is you like with when we were talking about players not getting paid and all of that stuff, there's certain things that, okay, there's certain things you could talk about. Now when gambling.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Here's the big issue, the big issue. NCAA does not allow gambling on college football games, especially games you're playing in. It's the, what they call it the integrity violation. Okay? You cannot bet on college football games. And he was betting on games and making whatever the hell it was, okay? So right now as soon as you made the bet, you're ineligible. You know what the rules is, okay? So according to the reports, he admitted he had wagered over at least 90k on pro and college sports over the past four years, including 40 bets on the Indiana football team while he was a freshman on the team in 2022. You know what that says? Violation, you're done. That's it. Now according to them, it's allegedly that it's over 9, 000 bets that he placed through the course of that same time. So this is not a one time thing, bro. So like the judge ruling this, he didn't say, hey, he's innocent of what he did? No, he's not saying he's innocent, he's just saying, you know what, this is ethically wrong and this is going to cause him irreparable harm because he won't be able to play football while this lawsuit is pursuing. It's, you know, going through his process. So what we're going to do is we're going to say, or he's going to say, hey, it's cool, he could do this. And then what they did is, I guess they went and said that the court was persuaded by the evidence regarding his gambling addiction and his treatment and the argument that, you know, him being ineligible, he would suffer, you know, irrep. Yes, that's what happens. So what they did was they gave him a two game suspension. He could come back. You, dude, this is the problem. Sorry, I Saw it. This is the problem. Nobody wants to take accountability for their own actions. Okay? This, yes, your fault. You knew what this was going into it. So now what we do, we go, hey man, you know what? He has a problem, you know, well, depending on who it is, I guess or, or however, whoever you have in that position. You know what he has a problem is this and that and they want to stand on. You know what, it's tough, you know, Mental. This and all this other stuff, this is where people get stuff broke down. Like I'm a, I, I go sideways left to my comparison. So he has a addiction to gambling, right? Okay, well yeah, you need to go ahead and get that fixed and get it right. But since it's a so called addiction, mental ill issue, whatever it may be, then he's not responsible for it. And we're going to tap you on a. Listen, listen. I'm going to go super extreme so y' all can understand this. You know what a serial killer is? A person that got an addiction to killing people. But y' all don't slap them on the wrist. Yeah, I go way less. And now it's under. No, that's people dying. It's the same thing. This is the integrity. You're going to kill the sport. You're going to kill the opportunity for people to be able to go out there, bet and do all that. And especially now when we got people that believe it's a fucking script. Yeah. Now if they go in the field, the ncaa, they go on appeal. Guess who they're appealing to. They appealing to four judges over there that actually graduated from guess where. Texas Tech University. They're all four grades, so ncaa, appellate. That's who they, that's who the higher court they got to go to. What you think they gonna do? What you think they gonna do, Joe? They're gonna say, you know what, man? Uphold this thing for our boy, man. And then right here, the majority of the Big Ten or the Big. Sorry, the majority of the Big 12 teams are considering boycotting their games against Texas Tech next season due to the ruling. Like they got people who are talking about his board members that have also mentioned to reject the. The Raiders from the league. To reject them from the league. Dude, like I guess the only current holdout on that is BYU according to. Who is it Ross Dillinger? He or. Yeah, it's a he. I'm hoping to see. I should be right. Athletic officials from Nebraska and Georgia sent department wide memos to. To well today instructing coaches and sport deputies not to schedule Texas Tech. If games are already scheduled, the school may cancel the matchup. Actually, you had yesterday the Big Ten. Speaking of the Big Ten, the AD for Nebraska, Troy Danny informed his staff yesterday that they are not allowed to schedule Texas Tech. At least somebody standing for something. If you don't stand for something, you go fall for anything. Good job over there, Troy Danny, somebody doing something, saying something. So now they like, you know what? If you go let them play. We're not even going to play Texas Tech. If that's what y' all want to rule on when y' all already know what it is because y' all want to play a favoritism over there. Oh, what is that? In Lubbock County. Love it. County over there with your. Your Texas Tech fan crew and all that other. Then listen, if that's what y' all want to do, ain't nobody gonna play Texas Tech now. How it look for you,

[Joe Hayden]

Debo? It's all bad. It's all bad. And like you said, too gambling. He's admitted to 9,000 times.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He admitted to 40. 40 on. On a school he played with.

[Joe Hayden]

40 on the school that he played with. This is what I'm saying. This is a zero tolerance thing. It's like, basically, what are we talking about? And like everybody. You can't stand up for you. Like, you responsible for your own actions. Like, go. You can go get help. You know what I'm saying? But you're not going to be able to play in college football. So like every, like, if somebody has an additional. Like just. You can't be in the presence of the college football system when you are.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You want to bring this dude and let him into the league, huh? Ain't nobody listen, don't. Ain't no. I'm not. I couldn't believe I'm not even taking the chance on scratching the surface on this.

[Joe Hayden]

No time to play with that. Especially now, Debo. You know, people are thinking, oh, rigged all that stuff and, and, and you played, I played. We know you. We are out there for the. Trying our best. The NFL is not for long, especially when you get to that level. And now just call just sports in general. The dudes are out there fighting, trying to get to the next level, trying to be the best that we can be. And that's literally the, the, the mindset that we go out there with when we have people that are legitimately gambling on the games. And this is the thing, like, it just makes it off and it's wrong in every way.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And that's why?

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

The ncaa, they have to appeal this thing and they gotta hope that they do the right thing. But it could keep going and going and going until it gets to the right judges that will see that, like, yo, this is what it is. There's nothing you could do to circumvent this. But like, like, if you allow this to happen, it's the thing, what they call it, it set precedents. Now every player that done ever gambled or had a or gets into an issue like this, all they go do is point back to this right here. Listen, you go cause me harm because I didn't follow the rules. That said, if I gambled, my ass was up out of here. So you can't cause me harm. I won't be able to repair from it. You knew what the pale the rules was. Don't break the rule, bruh. Like everybody know it's a death sentence, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

There's certain things that you cannot do, and there's certain things that other people can Do. And if you want to do a job or do it, do a service, there's certain things you can't do and when you're in it. And if you do it, you get fired and you can't come back.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

That's.

[Joe Hayden]

That's my bad. You got to go now. I'm sorry, but like dudes don't feel bad for you. You gotta go do something else. No, you got to go do something else.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You can go work somewhere else. You ain't even going to jail for this, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

I know.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You just can't play football anymore. You can go work a regular nine to five. Whatever. What's your degree in school? Eight years. You guys gotta have something. Do you.

[Joe Hayden]

Do you think people like I don't know how long I'm exaggerating, but everybody people.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You go to school to get an education, right? Get your education. You should have it. Go ahead. You ain't gonna play football nowhere for nobody. No, no, no. You're done. Go ahead. You. You messed that up.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, people get. People mess up and they get fired and have to move on.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And now they talking about he gonna be drafted. Who go draft him.

[Joe Hayden]

Who,

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

bruh? You go drive. I would. I would cut off my GM's hand.

[Joe Hayden]

And that's a quarterback. Your quarterback?

[Podcast Host]

No.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, you had a bad game? No, he put about 150,000 man on the under, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, man. Not. Not your quarterback.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Shaving the hell out of.

[Joe Hayden]

Not trying to what Coronavirus line and whatever you are, but not. You're my quarterback. You talk about how clean cut these dudes want their quarterbacks to be and making sure that they do everything right. Got to be the smartest person on the field. Clean slate. Don't do no off the field issues. I think this is an off the field issue, dude.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It don't make no sense, bro. I don't know what they got going on over there in Lovett County, Texas. And what they it they need to check the. Like they need to be checked. I don't know how you. Who. Who checks the judges?

[Joe Hayden]

Like who.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Who checks to make sure ain't. Ain't some big time somebody. Lightning Pockets people.

[Joe Hayden]

Everybody. Everybody know everybody know everybody. You would think like the big time coaches and the judges and the all in cahoots. Because that's crazy. How do you bring a player that's telling you admitted. Obviously if he has.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Thank you.

[Joe Hayden]

That's his punishment of him missing off season.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He got two games. That's it. He back in there. He don't. He done Bet he done. He done over 90 and he got two games and he back in there. Stop here, man. If the NCAA can't get this stop. Every. Every AD in college football should do what Nebraska's AD is doing. And do not play the whole University of Texas Tech if that's what you're going to do in any sport, period. You want to. You want to. You want to go ahead and do all this and try and make it better for this boy that obviously knew the rules. He continued to do it. It wasn't a one time thing. You know what, for years, four years, bro. Stop playing with me, man. Look here, go ahead and. Go ahead and do that. Y' all want to do that. Everybody go suffer. Listen, Texas Tech, if you a Texas Tech and. And y', all, y', all, y', all, y' all better. Y' all might want to find a way to get up out of there right now for the. For. For. For old sword. Swordies Get. Get y' all and this judges get y' all get y' all hemmed up like students. Y' all need to go ahead and figure out what's going on. Man, y' all better make. Listen Big tendon already started ncaa. Listen, bro, if I'm a player on that squad. Joe, listen, he ain't go. Listen, he ain't playing with me. You ain't about. You ain't about to have me sitting up here looking like dodo like you go mess this. No, no, listen. We go. Go ahead and we're gonna figure out how you go have to. You'll have to do whatever you got to do to get up out of the way, man. Like whether it's by hook or by crook, you know what I'm saying? You got all these mental issues and all this and that. You got a bad gambling addiction. What's the hell gonna stop you from doing it again and again and again? You four years deep. Like, what is he talking about? Yeah, get him up out of there. Get him up out of there for football.

[Joe Hayden]

For football right now. I know people need help. We can go get him work for the addiction. I'm saying that for sure. But yes. You lose football, you can't do football. We definitely. I'm all for you going to go get the help for sure.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And they still got Pete Rose up out of there. One of the coldest to do it in the game.

[Joe Hayden]

Still ain't got him up out of there. My man J. Josh Gordon couldn't play in NFL because he was in the spot program for smoking weed. And that, like he couldn't play.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Smoking weed, the same thing. They do nothing

[Joe Hayden]

but 200 yards. Come on, man.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They couldn't get Josh.

[Joe Hayden]

Are you gambling? And you're gambling on your own team.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You gambling and are you? Are you? And that's the crazy thing. They didn't even say he was gambling for them to win.

[Joe Hayden]

I heard some of them, Some of the best. Some of the best. He knew, he knew the, he knew what the calls were going to be, so he knew they were going to run. They knew they're going to call a lot of runs in the play system in the first 15. So he would bet the under. Bruh, on your own squad, you betting under because you know y' all gonna run the ball. Crazy work.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, he out of control, bro. He out of control. Listen, man, let's go over here to the Steelers. So they say despite all the spending, the Steelers still have one more big deal to do, and that is Joy Porter Jr. Sources say Joy Porter Jr. And the Steelers are not close to a big extension. Joe, what are your thoughts on this? Are you concerned? Are you not concerned? Where, where you at? Where you at with this? That, that peasy little, little, little nephew ain't got signed yet.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not concerned because normally it's going to be right before training camp. So they got, they got, they got some, they still got some time, you know what I'm saying? When they're still assigning deals and I feel like with this, with this deal, it's gonna, it's gonna be a little bit. It's gonna be. Both of them might have to give. I feel like both of them have to maybe give a little bit. It's in, it's in the situation where obviously they want to sign Joey Pointer for a long term deal. They know what they got in him. They know he's going to be a ballerina. Stole him in the second round. He could have easily been a first round pick. He's been doing nothing but great things, improving every single year, like handsy. We asked him about the calls. Boom. Didn't get called for too many holding his pass interferences, you know what I'm saying? So. And been locking down, keeping, keeping defenders out of the end zone, you know what I'm saying, making plays. So he's been doing his job. He expects, when you're looking at numbers, him, his agent, they're looking at what's going on, what's the market look like. 31 is the highest paid corner, Trent McDuffie. And then we got like Stingley making 30 and then we have JC Horn making around $25 million a year. So we're looking at between Joey Porter Jr trying to figure out, man, am I trying to reset the market. I'm the new hot corner coming in. So I think his agents might be around the 31 trying to reset it. Either get it right to the top, top market or the Steelers more around the the 20, the 25, the 25, 24, 25 mark to where boom, you're getting a great deal, you're happy, but we're not having to reset the market at the end of the day. Picks. He hasn't had too many picks and he hasn't been to the Pro bowl yet. So understandably you're going to be great. So we're not like resetting the market with all you went Pro bowl three years in a row, some All Pros. Right now we have the no Pro Bowls. But at the end of the day I'm not trying to knock. So I'm just giving the the point perspective from the Steelers where we can't. I'm not seeing the reset the market numbers to where like you busted everything out. But I could see obviously right now around the $25 million a year mark. So around this kind of the same deal as Nick Herbert got around the 4 for 100 million to where that's $25 million a year. I think that's kind of where the Steelers are, where porter's around the $30 million a year. You know, I'm saying four years, 420. So I think they're going to have to kind of somebody's going to give a little, take a little something like that. So I think it's just when they say super far away, I'm not thinking it's astronomical. I'm thinking it's somewhere in that number. So I'm thinking if we can get a front loaded, get a sign up on this right, try to average just some way to make it look good, I think everybody can be happy in the situation. But I don't think it's nothing too crazy because I know Joey Porter Jr. Wants to be here. He's a baller. So from what he's playing and it's more onto potential, what he's going to keep giving you. He's a young player that got drafted in the second round and, and this first deal is he what he's done for you and what you're expecting him to continue to do. So I think it's going to be A little bit of both there.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, I, I agree with you. I see the deal getting done definitely before, before training camp. And again, I'm thinking, you know, it may be a thing where, you know, agent want to reset the market. I mean, yeah, thousand percent, something like that. So I can, I can understand or believe that they're not close. Hell, I can understand and believe they're not close just because of how I know they negotiated. When I negotiated, like we first, man. What? The numbers don't be closed until it's somehow.

[Joe Hayden]

Until it somehow feel like it's right.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

The numbers don't be.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm like, dang, we ain't never gonna get there.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Listen, I'm like, I'm telling my.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, where that money come from?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm like, what? They said, who? Hey, hey, bro, this is what I said, man. Tell them to kiss my black ass. What? That's where I was at. I'm like, what? Yeah, hold up. Like I'm saying, hold on, hold on. Tell them these words right here. He said, no, no, no, James, calm down, man. Calm down.

[Joe Hayden]

This is the way negotiations work.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You know, I never went to a negotiation at that point, you know, that was a significant, you know, money. So I'm like, what?

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, I'm waiting. You. Oh, you're waiting. You're waiting for that first offer like this. Oh, yeah, that first off. And we gonna be, you know what I'm saying? A couple hundred thousand off off thing. I know, I know, I know they

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

know it's me, you know, saying. I said, oh, hell, oh, hell no. Y' all done. Up and done it. You know what I'm saying? Oh, no, hell no. You know, but like I said, I, I see it getting done. I'm, I'm with you in that range. I see it. I see it more of a, of a, of a, maybe a three year extension that adds to that fourth year. And I'm with you. I think for them to get any, or the Steelers to get any type of break from that break in the market number, I think they're going to have to like, basically guarantee the full contract. I think if they went in there with something that, you know, was a three year extension that turned it into like a, you know, like, like, like maybe a four year, you know, say 105 to 110. I think he takes that. I think, I think you know what I'm saying. And like you said, you said a four year. What was it, 120, 130 or so? Like, yeah, I think you get to you get to that, what ends up being like a four year guarantee, full guarantee, 105. Like I' ma jump on that. 100 500. Yeah, I gotta jump on it. Yeah. And then you got a chance to even get back because he only what, 25, 26, something like that. So. Yeah, I mean, but yeah, I think

[Joe Hayden]

that's that, that's what we're saying with the, the just the. When you get to that first deal, trying to figure out. All right, bet, bet agents obviously seeing what's going on, trying to get him the best deal possible, trying to get him that highest average per year. And then Joey Porter Jr. Is to boom you with the Steelers. You in a great comfortable situation. So are, is it worth trying to reset being happy where you are? And both of y' all can, we can work this number to make both people happy. So I'm, I'm hearing what you're saying too. When he has that one year left, adding the three year, you know what I'm saying, for that 30, that could make it a four year for 120. And then kind of, kind of guaranteeing some stuff, figuring that, figuring if you

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

like to really just dead set on, you know, trying to, you know, trying to set the market. I mean, I mean, I don't know if you get to see it, but you go ahead and you, you backdoor it and, and throw on another, you know, 35, 40 at the end for the last year. But it ain't gonna guarantee that. I mean, this market, yeah, your average higher than what is there. But you know what, what's fully guaranteed is what, you know, what I want to be looking for and that give him what he'd be the most guaranteed then if it was 100, what, 100, 510.

[Joe Hayden]

So, you know, just trying to get that most, I feel you. If you're just trying to get the most average, I mean most guaranteed money for show and then just being where you. But that's gonna be good. You can be able to get to the market again. Being able to get to that bag while you're making great money.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, for sure. Or like you said, five year guarantee. 110. Make it 140, 150. 150 million, something like that. Oh, but you guarantee 110, you know, you know how that back end go. You never, you know, you ain't gonna never see that last year

[Joe Hayden]

you trying to get, you trying to either re you trying to either feel like you outplayed your deal or they feel like you understand that deal so something's going to happen. At that time. They look at you like, nobody gonna chop this up and cut it down. Or you like, now it's time to go back to the table. Because I outplayed this. It's time to go do something. But something will happen.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure, man.

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