Deebo and Joe - Part 1: Steelers rank No 1 in Offseason moves + Mel Kiper backs Shedeur Sanders

Summary

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Club Shay Shay: "Deebo and Joe - Part 1: Steelers Rank No. 1 in Offseason Moves + Mel Kiper Backs Shedeur Sanders"

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Host(s): James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden
Release Date: March 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay brings together former NFL stars James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden for a lively, unfiltered conversation about NFL offseason moves, focusing particularly on the Pittsburgh Steelers, Cleveland Browns, and the evolving outlook on quarterback Shedeur Sanders. The duo offers their insider perspective, seasoned banter, and unique player insights into front office strategies, trade rumors (notably surrounding Myles Garrett), and the narratives shaping the upcoming NFL season.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Coaching Youth Football & Parenting Perspectives

• Joe Haden shares his experience coaching his sons’ flag football teams and emphasizes not projecting his own ambitions on his kids.

  • Joe’s older son, Joey, favors team sports but isn’t solely focused on football.
  • His younger son, Jetty, is passionate about football and idolizes Steelers players like T.J. Watt and Minkah Fitzpatrick.
  • Quote: "My thing is this. I'm not living vicariously through my children. I'm not forcing them to play sports... I want them to do what they love to do." (06:42)

• Deebo reflects on his own youth and how location (Akron, OH to Pittsburgh) shaped his sports allegiances and mentality on winning and hope.

  • Quote: "When he came to Pittsburgh, he realized, like, oh, it is hope...You win championships, you know what I'm saying?" (07:48)

• The banter quickly turns playful as Deebo teases about "hope" in Cleveland versus Pittsburgh, and the elemental nature of team legacies.

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Steelers' Offseason Moves—Front Office Praise & Playoff Aspirations

• ESPN’s Ben Solak ranks the Steelers’ offseason moves as the best in the league—a sentiment echoed enthusiastically by both hosts.
  • Quote (Deebo): "Omar Khan is cooking. They made the man head chef a couple years ago, right?... Now we like a two-star Michelin restaurant." (11:19-12:18)
• Roster breakdown includes:
  • Addressing key needs at QB, RB, and WR, adding playmakers like Pittman Jr. and Sebastian Joseph-Day.
  • Sharpening the defense: "We need DV. We said check. We went on here, got two and then signed up...Santi Jr." (13:41)
  • Balanced optimism—upgrades look great on paper but need to translate into wins: "Each person is still gonna have to perform... it looks good on paper." (14:18)
• Steelers as a work in progress: Always room to grow, with the ultimate goal being a "three-star Michelin" contender with the right QB addition.

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Myles Garrett Trade Rumors & Browns’ Roster Strategy

• The Browns made a rare contract adjustment to Myles Garrett’s deal, moving his massive roster bonus and stoking trade speculation.
  • Quote (Deebo): "The only reason Garrett would be okay with earning that massive lump sum...is if he could be traded to a contender this offseason." (15:58)
• Possible destinations debated, particularly the Dallas Cowboys:
  • "In Dallas, man, that man could probably make another 40 a year off the field." (21:36)
  • The chat poll is heavily favoring Dallas as a landing spot for Garrett (27:00).
• Trade Value Debated:
  • Joe Haden: "Three first round picks for Miles and I'm keeping that for teams... Anything more than two first, I listen." (23:17, 26:20)
  • Deebo argues two firsts and a third-rounder is a fair deal.
• Further implications discussed:
  • Trading away a generational talent brings draft capital but leaves holes, especially since the defense revolved around Garrett's presence: "You go take away those blocking him that allowed your other guys to do what they did." (43:47)
  • Both agree the added flexibility gives the Browns options, but the draft picks must hit for the team to improve long-term.

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Shedeur Sanders’ Outlook, Mel Kiper Endorsement, and QB Evaluation

• Mel Kiper Jr. ranks Shedeur Sanders above Ty Simpson and gives him higher long-term upside for the Browns.
  • Deebo: "He said, the Browns don’t have to worry about Ty Simpson... They’ve got a better quarterback in Shedeur Sanders." (32:32)
  • Joe doubles down on his pre-draft evaluation: "Nothing changed in my view of Shedeur. I thought he could have gone 1 or 2 in that draft." (33:11)
• Discussion covers rookie struggles, the impact of supporting cast, and the importance of situation for young quarterbacks.
  • Quote (Joe): "You just can't put stuff on quarterbacks that fast and be like... he's the starter, he's the bench player, he's not good." (34:38)
  • Both are bullish on Shedeur given more time and an improved roster.
• General consensus: The Browns’ future hinges on draft strategy—focus on OL, WR, and building around Sanders, especially if they gain assets in a possible Garrett trade.

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Joe Flacco and the Value of Veteran QBs

• Clip of Joe Flacco expressing frustration at not being offered a starting role despite believing he can still perform.
  • Flacco: "Yeah, it pisses me off a little bit...I wish I was a guy somewhere. I think teams are dumb for not having me be that guy." (45:01)
  • Both Deebo and Joe reflect on their feelings about where Flacco fits in the league—would he be a better option than some current starters?
  • Joe: “He’s a vet. He could put the ball in a little bit of places. I’m not... when I saw what Flacco do with the Bengals... he throws a nice ball, throws it on time.” (48:35, 49:07)
• Conversation frames the challenge for aging QBs with limited opportunities—even with proven ability, roster politics and potential are valued over experience.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Coaching Kids:
  • "It's not about how many touchdowns you score. I need effort, son. I need you to try your best. Be paying attention, you know what I'm saying?" (06:37, Joe Hayden)
• Robust Steelers Praise:
  • "Omar Khan is cooking... Now we like a two-star Michelin restaurant." (12:00, James 'Deebo' Harrison)
• On Myles Garrett and the Browns:
  • "As much as they can get from Miles, try to see keep the doors open. But if you’re not getting enough, then keep him on the team." (24:03, Joe Hayden)
  • "You just need more... you just need more." (26:27, James 'Deebo' Harrison)
• On Shedeur Sanders:
  • "I am not. I’m still looking at Shedeur like the quarterback I thought could have went one or two... So with me, I wouldn’t take Ty. I don’t think he’s better than Shedeur, in my opinion." (33:11-34:40, Joe Hayden)
• Deebo’s Dick LeBeau Rant:
  • "Comparing your D coordinator to Dick LeBeau and what Dick LeBeau would do. Are you out of your mind?" (32:00, James 'Deebo' Harrison)
• Flacco Frustration:
  • "I think teams are dumb for not having me be that guy. But it is what it is, and I’m not going to let it get me down." (45:01, Joe Flacco via clip)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:38] — Start of main content; Deebo and Joe greet each other, flag football talk
• [06:42] — Joe’s philosophy on raising kids in sports
• [11:19] — Steelers’ offseason moves and ESPN ranking
• [13:30] — Steelers’ roster/building strategy breakdown
• [15:58] — Myles Garrett contract/bonus adjustment and trade speculation
• [22:04] — Dallas as a possible landing spot for Garrett
• [23:17] — Trade negotiations: Three first-rounders discussion
• [32:32] — Mel Kiper’s comments on Shedeur Sanders
• [33:11] — Joe’s rationale for backing Shedeur over Ty Simpson
• [45:01] — Joe Flacco soundbite about not being a starter
• [48:35] — Deebo and Joe debate Flacco’s current abilities
• [51:08] — Episode wraps up key themes

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Takeaways

• Steelers are widely praised for their aggressive, targeted offseason—the consensus is that they're building a true contender.
• Cleveland's flexibility with Garrett signals openness to a rebuild, should the right deal come.
• Shedeur Sanders still holds significant promise, with Mel Kiper and both hosts believing in his upside as Browns QB.
• Veteran presence like Flacco still stirs debate—talent and experience can be undervalued in favor of youth and perceived ceiling.
• Throughout, personal insights and humor make the episode feel like an authentic, locker room-level conversation.

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For listeners eager for a blend of inside knowledge, sharp banter, and upcoming season intrigue, this episode delivers—in classic Deebo and Joe style.

Transcript

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Welcome back to this episode of Devo and Joe. I'm your host James Debo Harrison and I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like subscribe and download where you get your show. How you doing today Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm doing great brother Deebo. Another great day. Another great day to be on the pod talking sports, talking ball with my man. Long story short, let me get. Let me tell you something. Can I tell you something?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, let's go. Tell me something.

[Joe Hayden]

I am coaching my sons two second grade, third grade flag football team this year.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay? Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

So we had our first practice Wednesday.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Do you know anything about the flag? Cause you know it's a little different.

[Joe Hayden]

So look my boy's been playing now this their third year playing so I've been going to all the games. I've been watching. They do seven on seven. They're still young. They're trying to get. Now they're throwing the ball a little bit. It's mostly handoffs, mostly counters, you know what I'm saying? Flag pulling techniques. So, yeah, I'm excited about it. My boy out there, Joey, the team name. Listen, my older son, Joey, he was born in Cleveland. He wants his team name to be the Cleveland Browns. My youngest son, Jetty, his team's name is the Pittsburgh Steelers. So I got a Steelers team and I got a Browns team in the house. So both of my boys, Jet was born in Pittsburgh. He's there, the Steelers are playing. And I got my boy Joe. He was born in Cleveland and he's a Brown.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, okay.

[Joe Hayden]

All right.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So they ain't gonna never play each other.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, they did. They different age groups. I got a first grader and I got a third grader.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay. Yeah, at some point. At some point they, they may.

[Joe Hayden]

When they get to, when they get them, when they get to high school, middle school. High school.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. College.

[Joe Hayden]

College for sure.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

College for sure. Who, who's going to want to go, you know, and play for your alma mater? And who's gonna want to go and play for maybe some. Someplace different, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Both of my boys, they. So my older boy, Joey, he's, he's, he likes sports, he's into it. My thing is this. I'm not living vicariously through my children. I'm not forcing them to play sports. They don't have to play sports. I want them to do what they love to do. You know what I'm saying? So my oldest boy, Joey, he's getting into it. So football's not his thing. Sports. He playing football and basketball. Keep it open. I just want him to be in team sports. I just want him to be involved in something and whatever he likes, I'm gonna support it. My younger son, Jet T, my seven year old, he loves football. He's watching our highlight tapes. He knows tj Watt, Minka, Fitzpatrick were his favorite players when I was playing for the Steelers. Loves, still, still loves tj so like Jet T, I can't teach him. I can't teach him. He's. He's. Dad, he's just trying to catch over the head fade balls. Just. Dad, throw me the ball. He's just trying to catch it over the shoulder. So, you know, I'm going to sow into that. That's good seed. I'm going to sow into that. I'm going to keep giving them knowledge right now. Try your best. It's not about how many touchdowns you score. I need effort, son. I need you to try your best. Be paying attention, you know what I'm saying? So that's where we at with it right now, Deebo.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I understand why one is kind of into the sport real hard into another one. Yeah. You know, it ain't really there. I'm gonna do this or that. You know what I'm saying? One was born in Cleveland, as you said. It's kind of something that, you know, grew up around him. He was like, yo, there's no hope there. And he was. I understand you had to get that out of me. Because when he came to, you know, Pittsburgh, he realized, like, oh, it is hope and, you know, being able to win. He's seen this. He's understanding this, and it's a. It's a great thing for him. And your other son, he was born there, so he's like, let's go football. Football. Let's go Steelers. You win championships, you know what I'm saying? It's not just for the.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, no matter what I do, you manipulated into that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm not manipulating that. I'm just speaking facts. The people like. Joe, you told me something. I can't. I can't even speak. I can't even say what I think it was. I'm just giving my opinion, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. No, you do. All right. Whatever, Debo.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

All right.

[Joe Hayden]

For sure. I'm just letting you know, I'm coaching this football. My boys out here, we working, and you just making it. That's why your son is born in Cleveland. He just, you know, there's no hope.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, I'm just saying, like, you know, you said your other son, he's, like, really into. Into. You know, he had something.

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Something he underst. You know, the. The legacy, you know, your other son, he was in there. He was like, yeah, I like the sport. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, I'm into it, but I ain't into it, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Because it was like, parents. It was like, no parents out here. People that. That people that have children know, you can't. You can't. They gonna do what they want to do. They gonna like what they gonna like. It just happens.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I ain't gonna give you that.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, they gonna like what they want

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

and come in place.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm here to just feed it so and so in the good seed. I need effort. I need you to try your Best.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I need. And you talk about losing.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's where it starts. I'm just. I was just. I'm just, you know, always doing that.

[Joe Hayden]

Every time I was just thinking, like.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like I was just thinking, like, it just. It hits me like that. You know what I'm saying? Cause I was. I was born and raised in Akron, Ohio.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You know, and look at you now. And I wasn't really a sports fan like that. I watched sports. Cause my dad did it. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Sounded like my son liked it.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Look, and it wasn't until they went on head and left and they fought to keep those sorry colors that I transitioned. Guess where I transitioned to. What you transitioned to the Pittsburgh Steelers, boy. And you see what it transitioned me into. I went from being a Good for you, Debo.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm glad it worked out for you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It worked out good.

[Joe Hayden]

That's good.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm happy to something, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm happy for you. But it all started in Ohio.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

True statement.

[Joe Hayden]

True state, true statement. Can't take that from you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Can't take. Hey, you can't.

[Joe Hayden]

Can't take it from me.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I can't that.

[Joe Hayden]

You from that. You from.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

I can't.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I can't even blame you for it because you ain't had no choice of where you went. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

You.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You went to who wanted you first. And they was like, hey, we gotta get him, you know?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah. No, all that good. Cleveland.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Love that. Yeah. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

From the fans. Yes. Yes, sir.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Organization. Something totally different. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

When I shoot out my love, I'm giving it to the city and to the fans and people. What? They embrace me with open arms.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes, sir. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Espn. What's this guy's name? Ben Solar. Yep. He. He said that he. He ranking the Stillers as number one. You know what I'm saying? Well, no, you know, finally somebody come to the damn senses of. Over there. Espn. Like, oh, they're. They're number one. What? That's. That was the epiphany that y'. All. That y' all came to. No, no, We've been. We've been saying this, baby. We've been saying this since from the gate. Omar Khan is cooking. Okay. They made the man here. Oh, snap. They made the man head chef a couple years ago. Right? But they didn't. They didn't let him make his own menu, and now he can. Now we don't went from. We don't went from like a. A no star. A no star michelin restaurant to right now. We like a. We like a two star mission to restaurant. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That would make it a three star. Joe is Joe Burrow.

[Joe Hayden]

But hey, hey. Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm working on that. Hey, I've been. I've been working on it.

[Joe Hayden]

Look, but that's what. When I'm saying this too Debo is when we're looking at this of them ranking the Steelers being the top team, it's because everybody's worried about right now quarterback. If you didn't address the quarterback. Quarterback. Quarterback. All right. What. Since what we would. What we would have did. Malik. Malik. The quarterback from my man that signed from Miami. The quarterback. Yes. That was the only quarterback that was really out there. So we didn't make that decision and didn't think that was the move. We addressed what we needed. We lost our running back. We wouldn't have got riddled. We. We went. We needed a wide receiver. We wouldn't have got Pittman Jr. Do you know what I'm saying? So.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Hayden]

What we're doing is making moves in the right spots, getting our team right, building. Like Ben said, build the team first and then you get the quarterback and everything's going to be good. Because quarterback don't got to do nothing crazy. Quarterback got to come in there and be a legit quarterback, not do too much. So I'm loving the way and that's why my man Ben is kind of understanding what's going on.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No question, baby. They said we need a receiver. We said, check.

[Joe Hayden]

Checkmate.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

We lost. We lost game. Well, they said, okay, check. Here come daughter. Okay. They said we need dv. We said check.

[Joe Hayden]

Check.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

We went on here got two and then signed up.

[Joe Hayden]

Sign.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Sign. What's his name? Santi Jr. Yeah. Immediately to make sure we had something else before we even got the other two.

[Joe Hayden]

Which was. What was it?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Dean and Brisker. Like what we. What we talking about? What are we talking about, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

And then you talking about your D tackles too. Can't forget about the big man that's gonna let Queen run free.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Sebastian Joseph Day.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Run stopper. We need that big check. It's still take up two. And the linebackers do what they supposed to do.

[Joe Hayden]

Let them run free. It's still. It's still early. And the. All the players that we got is names, but each person is still gonna have to perform. You know what I'm saying? Like it looks good on paper.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

We don't want to look good on paper.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

But like in March, we went on here and we checked the box.

[Joe Hayden]

We checking box.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Check the box.

[Joe Hayden]

We trying to get things done. We're not saying we. You got to win it on the field. We got to get it done. But. But I'm liking.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You got to get it there.

[Joe Hayden]

You got to get them there before

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

you can go ahead and see how it's going to transpire. We got what we had. Well, we got what we have. Where you going, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Man, I love my. My phone, my joint. About the die.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, we got what we have, and this is what we need to do. We got guys that played this well last year, and now they're here, and hopefully they keep elevating. Okay. Number one.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Being over there. Espn. Oh. What. What a great

[Joe Hayden]

observation.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Understand. I don't know. Observation was not really observation. You're probably listening to us. But hey, we ain't gonna trip on it. We appreciate next time. Just give us some credit. All right? But you know who they got at. What is that, 22?

[Joe Hayden]

Who?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Cleveland Clowns. Sorry. Cleveland Browns. I get that mixed up sometimes.

[Joe Hayden]

All that, you just.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And they about to drop to 32 because Miles Garrett. They don't restructured my man. They didn't restructure my man's deal. The Browns made a rare contract modification.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

To modify the language of Garrett's deal. Instead of having him had his 29 million roster kick in on March 25, the Browns and Garrett quietly agreed to language that would hold off on his roster bonus until the week before the start of the 2020 season. And the only reason Garrett would be okay with earning that massive lump sum of money. Me not earning it. Sorry. Immediately. Is if he could be traded to a contender this off season. And Joe, you know what is so crazy about that? What?

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It's kind of a clip, a old clip that's out. We got that clip. Can we play the clip? Make it happen, D. Prescott is leading our team right now. I need you to take toy Romo, take a couple pics and give them

[Joe Hayden]

to Cleveland so you can pick me up.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

News. I love to play in Dallas this big out. Hey, hey, that, that was, that was a message over there to Jerry Jones and I, I, I know it was

[Joe Hayden]

a little while, that was young.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Still, it's still relevant. You know, it was only 2017. Okay, let's, you know. And Joe, Yeah, I know the market, what it was like in Dallas when they was trying to get old Crosby over there, okay. And they was, they was willing to give just one first, but, but I believe, I believe they may be willing to give two for this. I, I, me personally, just looking at the situation, you know what I'm saying? Cleveland, what kind of money you think you make off the field? You know this, Joe. What kind of money you think you make off the field in Cleveland, Joe? It ain't, it ain't really that kind of area for that kind of stuff. But in Dallas, Dallas, man, that man could probably make another 40 a year off the field.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, Lord. Yeah. So make some good.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Joe. Hey, Joe, what do you think of the moves the Cleveland Browns just made here and what your, your GM over there, Mr. Barry, with the boiling chicken. How, how, what do you think of this move, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I think this is a smart move. It's a smart move. It's a business move. It's letting the Browns end of the day let giving us more time to see after the draft if Miles is going to still be there. Miles has already said that he wants to go. He's still he will be there for sure if he's going to play for the bread. Miles is a Miles a hired gun right now. Love Miles to death. He's going to be in Cleveland if he has to to get paid for sure he loves the city and all that, but end of the day he would definitely not mind leaving to go and play for another team. So that's already said. He said he wanted to go and then when you get paid you going to have to do what you got to do. So he's still there playing, love it, respectful and he's going hard because he just broke the record. So for the Browns you have a baller, a generational talent, a Hall of Fame player. If you can get crazy amounts of assets for him, you always keep that window open.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You think two is enough?

[Joe Hayden]

No, no. If I'm the Browns, I'm not doing it unless for three. Three first round picks for Miles and I'm keeping that for teams to I'm leaving the open. I'm going to have to get a crazy haul for him because end of the day if Miles Garrett broke the record and we still only won four games. So there is more holes to fill than just Miles, draft capital and all that stuff. So we can have a future plan. If we can get three first round picks for Miles then you start listening to that then that makes it a more, more, more reason for us to do something. Because with Miles breaking records, with him being generational talent, it hasn't been enough for the Browns to win a championship and giving him his bread. It is what it is. We need more so we can get three first round picks. Happen to get another defensive end, these rookies, somebody we can trade, we can just get. We need more assets. So as much as they can get from Miles, try to see keep the, keep the doors open. But if you're not getting enough, then keep him on the team. Him moving the signing bonus back just gives them more time. Like it's like once you give him that bonus then you know you're not trading, you're not moving them because you already paid them that bread. Once you, if you pass it back until right before the season starts, then that gives you all that time during training camp, all that time before the season to if you need to trade them and somebody's like man, now bump that. Our team looks good during training camp. All we need is Miles Garrett. We'll give him the three first round picks then if you're the Browns, you always keep that window open because with Miles you still aren't a Super bowl contending team, so you always going to. If you're. If you're Andrew Barry, keeping that window open to be able to get as much capital as you possibly can, because he is a baller, and we haven't won as many games as we want as we can. As. I mean, we won as much as we can with him with breaking records, with being mvp.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So you think somebody give up three first rounders?

[Joe Hayden]

If they don't, then we keep him.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So this was just a move. Just.

[Joe Hayden]

This is the move. Just for. Just for length, just to see if somebody.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Miles is 30.

[Joe Hayden]

Look. And then next season. And look, we could. We start going one and five. Who knows?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I think. I think. I think you'd be smart to take two.

[Joe Hayden]

Be smart to take two. I. I hear. I hear you, but if I'm them, I. I'm trying to. I'm. I want.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Throw another one in there, maybe a third or fourth win, but I'm not giving you three.

[Joe Hayden]

All right, well, that's what he's gonna. Chill.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, we'll see. We'll see What.

[Joe Hayden]

Two first in the second. Two first. Two first in the second. Something. Something outrageous. Because Mad Max first and the third.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What about two first and third?

[Joe Hayden]

Two first. DM Joe right now. Two first and third. What team are you. Where are you picking? I'm trying.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Two first and third. Big.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, two first and third and third. I'm two first and third. I'm listening to you. How you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

How you. How you know. And you just said yourself the man had 23 sacks and y' all still couldn't get no motorcycle.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you ain't. You're right.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You need help in a whole lot more positions than that.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm taking it then. I'm taking it. I'm taking it. Listen, anything more than two first, I listen.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I love this move. I love this move for Cleveland, you know, and. Hey, Barry, I'm 100 with you. This is the best move you can make us. I love it. I love it a lot. Please. And even if. Listen to me. But even if they don't give you no more than two, still worth it. It's still worth it. Listen to me. We need. We need. We need to get some more bodies in there. You know, It's. It's. You just. You just need. You just need more. And when it comes down to it, hey, look, here. Where y' all thinks my. Where. Where do y' all think Miles plays next year? Peep it out. It's either Cleveland Or Dallas right now they saying. They saying right now they saying It's. It's Dallas. 58 saying Dallas. Hey, yeah, check the chat. The poll right there. Hey, y' all let me know where y' all think he playing. Hey, that. That off the field money. Hey, it's just gonna be Dallas.

[Joe Hayden]

What do you think Dallas. What do you think Dallas gonna offer Cleveland to get Miles?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Two. Two first.

[Joe Hayden]

The two first.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, two first. And if they stutter a little bit, they might throw a third.

[Joe Hayden]

Two first and the third. Two first and the third. You know what? Sign me up. Sign me all the way up. Sign me all the way up. I was trying. I'm trying to over. I'm trying to over get. Because I'm like, if we gonna get rid of Miles, I. I don't want to. I love Miles. He's been the best player. But when you're trying to go really build, we need. Baby, you got new coaching more than mine.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Got a new coach in there, man. He ain't. Hey, don't forget, he ain't been in contact with the. With the new D coordinator yet. Now. Yeah, is that. Is that gonna be a problem?

[Joe Hayden]

No, that's not a problem, Miles.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm just. You asking. I'm telling you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, hey.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm telling you. I know wherever he go, he's gonna go.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I know. I know all the defense people that we got, you know, like. Like TJ and. And Cam and all them. Boy, they don't talk to decoordinator that we got. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe, do they live?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

First thing I gotta do, I gotta talk to. I got. I gotta talk to my guys that's gonna be leading the charge for me. I want you. I want to talk to you, let you know my plan, where we're going, where we headed, how we go do it. I need to buy in, baby. I need to buy. I need you to get them to buy in.

[Joe Hayden]

They gonna get the buy in on when OTAs start. When I show up on there with my notepad locked in, then. Then you'll know if they don't show

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

up, get there and you don't like what you're seeing.

[Joe Hayden]

What you mean? How you know I like what you seeing?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You go buy in anyway.

[Joe Hayden]

How you gonna.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What you mean? We here?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

We had nothing. I come in here and you got me playing a two technique.

[Joe Hayden]

That's on. Look, if that's what the defense calls for. That's what defense calls for. Who you gonna Come, this is the coach. This the defensive coordinator. Now you. Now you the coach. That's the type of. I don't want to coach you. I don't need you on my team. I don't want you on my team. I don't want you on my team. Play you. You the outside backer. So play outside backer. All right, Bet. When the coach come in, tell me, Joe, you corner you right now. You gotta play cover two. What I'm saying. No, I'm a better man. Corner. Shut up, Joe. Play cover two. All right, Bet. All right, I'm gonna hold down this cover, too. All right? That's what I'm gonna do. So I'm gonna go play the defense exactly the way you call it, and then it don't work. Now, I'm looking at you crazy like this. Well, I did your cover two, and you know what I'm saying? Give him a shot. I'm about all the way in from the beginning.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Put him at the 2. Put him at the 2 or the 3. Technique. And tell him, just play the defense. I done told you to play Debo. He just had 23 sacks, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

No, no.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You go roll with that.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no. See, no, See, he's not gonna put Miles. Look, we talking about Miles. We're talking about Miles. If we're talking about Miles, he's not gonna put him in the two. That's.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm just saying what if. We ain't got nobody to stop nothing, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Man, that's. That's. That. That's on. That's on y'. All. That's on y'. All. But if that's gonna make the team win, Miles might have to go in there, hold it down. You know what I'm saying? We talked about our. Man. Do you guys. Sometimes you might got to do the ugly things. I don't know, get dirty a little bit. If it works, you got to come in with some buy in. But, like, same time, your defensive coordinator is not going to be dumb enough. I would hope to put miles at the 2 when you have him that just had 23 sacks, maybe for a look, you know what I'm saying? Listen, you just out here just like the Series, man.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You know me, I like to. I like to come up with things that make difficult decisions.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you coming up with. Sometimes you just say stuff that don't make sense, just to try to make me mad and be like, yeah, but what if they do that?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, I'm just. Listen, I can't. I can't help what Your reaction is to a hypothetical.

[Joe Hayden]

All right, so what would. If you came in and Dick LeBeau just was like, all right, bet Deebo, would Dick LeBeau put you out at corner and if he told you to go out there. He told me to play corner. This time you gotta go out to the flat.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

If Bo told me to play corner and he said I could play it, you damn right I would.

[Joe Hayden]

There we go. Okay, okay, okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You damn right. Because dig Le Boy ain't never. Ain't no.

[Joe Hayden]

He would never set you up coordinator to Dick Lebone.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He wasn't disgusting. That is. That is a. Like. That is the highest disrespect the form I ever heard in my life.

[Joe Hayden]

What?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Comparing your D coordinator to. To Dick LeBeau and what Dick LeBeau would do. Are you out of your mind?

[Joe Hayden]

Well, they're not, okay?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Every sense that you had left, all seven senses of six, whatever it is, I'm done with this.

[Joe Hayden]

Zero disrespect to this Dick LeBeau. Zero disrespect. Zero, zero, zero. Debo. That's that. You know what? I'm. My bad, my bad. I did not mean that. But you know what I'm talking about. You don't put yourself on mute,

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Joe. Look here, man. Yes, your boy, your boy Mel Kuiper over here, he said something that I finally. I totally agree with about Shadow Sanders. He said, shadow Sanders over Ty Simpson. The Browns don't need quarterback. He said, the Browns don't have to worry about Ty Simpson. They're, they're, they're. They've got a better quarterback in Shador Sanders than Ty. He exceeded expectations by miles. Considering what he is, what he had to do to overcome, obviously better than Dylan. I think he's the Browns quarterback for the future. Joe, what do you think of that? Joe,

[Joe Hayden]

that's. I'm not here to give a Shador love speech, but since he was coming out, nothing changed when it was verse him and Ward coming out of the draft, in my opinion. So he had him drafted, raked high in this draft board. He was going to be one or two for Mel Kiper. He was up there for me too. So when people then all of a sudden back down and he goes as a 5th round draft pick, in my view, he never changed. Nothing changed in my view of Shador. So giving him the opportunity to have a line, have a year in the system, have a year where he has actual real wide receivers that he can hand it off to with the running game, you know what I'm saying? Like a true chance to be a starting quarterback. And that's where Mel Kuiper and I think that we speaking on the same level. People are looking at Shador since he went in the fifth round like a fifth round quarterback. I am not. I'm still looking at Shador like the quarterback I thought could have went one or two, him or Ward in, in the draft. So Ward had a good year, but it wasn't nothing electric. You wouldn't think like Ward was had to be in a quarterback competition, but he's the starting quarterback for the Tennessee Titans moving forward. Wasn't the best. Same if Shador was a starting quarterback, had that title for the Cleveland Browns. That was his rookie season. Now the next year he has another year, boom under his belt. Offseason, go through the whole thing being able to get additions, being able to get other receivers, being able to work with them, work with the ones during OTAs. During training camp, he was working with the practice squad. He didn't get any reps. So the season happened. Rookie year. It's a lot going on. You're a quarterback. Just things moving, changing pace. So now I think him having his full offseason, I thought he would have been a first round pick last year. Now it's his second year coming in like Cam Ward. I'm kind of looking at Shador's progress like I'm looking at Cam's. Wasn't the best, but still has things he can work on, he can do better. But now his second year, believe in him. Let's go, let's. Let's see what he can do. So with me, I wouldn't take Ty. I don't think he's better than Shador. In my opinion, you other people may think he is. So let that to each his own. I'm not saying Ty Simpson isn't a bad quarterback. Hope he gets into the league, does well. People don't judge him off of his rookie season. Lets him get around a team that's actually pretty good. You know what I'm saying? Depending on what teams he falls to, he might not have to do too much. He might look better than Cam Ward did. You know what I'm saying? So I think situationally you just can't put stuff on quarterbacks that fast and be like, no, he's the starter. No, he's the bench player. No, he's not good. We've seen it with a lot of quarterbacks. Tua looked good. He was able to get another contract, $50 million. Kyler Murray looked good. Sam Darnold Looked good and then didn't look good, then started looking good. So it's like different situations, each quarterback being in a different team, being able to have time to work. So I'm with Mel Kuiper because I'm like, I'm a Shador guy. I think that if he gets the chances to go out there and really just play football, he will be a great. He'll be a starting quarterback in this league.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, I'm gonna agree with you and Mel on this one. I just. I don't even. I don't even know if I think Ty Simpson even gets taken in the first round. Dude, I just don't see anyone there to taking because it's not really an upside that he could offset that what teams would be needing to get. You know what I'm saying? Like just. Just looking at it like his whole thing of his abilities, you know, to be able to like read and process. You know, the defense is fast enough so that, you know he can anticipate the throws. Like he's waiting for guys to get open and then, you know, making the throat. You can't do that in the NFL because that window, as soon as that window open, it'll close on you. And then when he's pressured, he panics a little bit. You know, he tries to speed up his process. He stops looking down the field, you know, for open receivers, you know, stuff like that. And what he only got a full one year actually starting. So it could be inexperienced. Why all that is? You know, it's just. I think it's too much of a risk to take on a first round pick. The quarterback position ain't really that strong. What is it? Mendoza. He'll go to the Raiders, obviously. Because who they got some dude o' Connor or something over there. That's the only quarter. I think that's the only quarterback they got on their roster right now. So he's going to go there, I think just simply because of that. And after that, you know, I don't. I don't think another quarterback come out of the first round.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, I think with the Browns if we want to do that we need to go ahead and get offensive line and we need to get a wide receiver. So somebody else that can we still. We addressed the we address. I know that's what I'm saying. We got two first. So one of them first need to be. If we can get either Tate early.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm saying after you get rid of Miles, you get two more get to.

[Joe Hayden]

That's just building that's, that's what I'm saying. That's a lot of. That's a lot of good capital. That's a lot of good capital for some players and I like position positional players. We need to get a tackle, we need to get a receiver and our out of our first two picks and then we get some more. Then it's just depth you can get. You never can have too many linemen. Get another lineman for sure a baller like so this definitely offensive line. Then it'll be. Yeah, I think they'll be in the right path.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes sir. But again what it's the Cleveland Brown.

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You kind of gotta be a little less than optimistic when they get opportunities to be able to go.

[Joe Hayden]

And the thing is, I like where it's moving to. I don't look at making miles moving the money to a bad thing. It's just giving us more options.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I mean, y' all not too good at picking the right options though. Let's, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

Right? I mean I would rather have them than not. Now it's just on. Now it's on them. Now we got. Now we literally can look at Barry with the picks that he picked and see who. Who it is. The time will tell, but, like, the Juckins hit. Okay. Tight end hit. Okay. Now we get some more. Let's see our linebacker. Defensive player of the year, Rookie of the year. Okay, like, not bad. One more time.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, y' all had both. Defensive player of the year, rookie of the year. And y' all won, what, four games?

[Joe Hayden]

Trial could have won more. I'm telling you, it's not. It's not as bad as it looks. We need. We need some more. For sure. I'm saying it's gonna be all right.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Now, listen, we got to get a lot. I understand you got to get some

[Joe Hayden]

points on the board.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, you said you get a lot from. I understand you get a lot from Miles, but what you're going to have to realize is you're going to now take away those.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Blocking him. That allowed your other guys to do what they did. So now that rookie linebacker that was running around doing everything, he gonna have.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I realized, my man? So we gonna get a lot from Miles, too, because for Micah Parsons, they got two firsts and a player, and they had to give him a new contract. Miles is coming under. Under a deal of 40. He already coming with the deal so they don't have to restructure his contract. That's good business. So they don't have to give him a new deal. We already coming with the smooth.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Would they care if they had to give him a new deal if they got him, Y' all just made it easier for somebody else to get him.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah, that's good for. That's.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's good. That's good for your business. Yeah. Yes, I understand. Hey, Joe. Speaking of Joe, we got another joke. Joe Flacco over there with the Bangles. He had. He had a little something to say about, you know, nobody's starting him signing for a starting position. Listen, What the hold up is.

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I probably do feel that way. I feel like I have unfinished business. That's part of why I'm still here and playing and doing all those things and. And. And not being one of those guys to go sign somewhere. Yeah, it pisses me off a little bit. But. But at the same time, like, I'm. I'm very happy to be here. And that's. And that's also why I don't see this as the end. Like I, I, that's just not how I'm viewing it in my mind. Like, I feel like I can help a team win. And yeah, it may be in a different role here, but I do still think I can help this team win in that role. I had a lot of fun with Joe, and Joe's the guy, and believe me, I wish I was a guy somewhere. And I think teams are dumb for not having me be that guy. But it is what it is, and I'm not going to let me, I'm not going to let them or it get me down. I'm going to be the person I am and just approach football the way I always have.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So,

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, how you feel? No, Debo, you tell, you tell me first how you feel about. How you feel about Mr. Flacco.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, he said dumb. He said they dumb. Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco, I'm talking to you, man. Hey, I don't know what or like who you're talking about. I would love for you to give me some, some clarity on the team or the teams, if that's what you're saying. You know, they're dumb, stupid for not signing you to come in there and, and start. So you're obviously looking at a team or starters that are currently on a roster and you're.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You know, you're better than or whatever. And you could be the starting quarterback there. And I don't have a Rolodex of the starting quarterbacks in the NFL right now, so I just would love a little bit of clarity and put it out there where you think you would be starting and help the team better than the starter. That's there. That's all I'm asking for.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep. And that's what. Exactly what I'm looking at. Because when you say that and you say that, you know, at the role that you're in with the Bengals, you're a backup. Joe's the guy. Okay, you said that Joe's the guy. You notice you're a backup here in your role. What other teams. What other teams are you thinking that you're going to be the starting quarterback for? I'm thinking now off the top of my head, basically, he played for. He's looking at the Browns, the Steelers. You know, he's looking at anybody that doesn't have a certified quarterback. Somebody that's looking for a quarterback maybe needs one.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, listen, I don't want to start. I don't want to start. No.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, that's, hey, look, that's what I'm telling you. Look, Debo, you brought it up. He's talking about other teams.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm just gonna give you another quarterbacks. He's better than popped into my head.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I don't know if he's sitting back looking at the Kansas City situation.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And thinking maybe y' all did this when y' all could have did this.

[Joe Hayden]

Atlanta, me.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Which one would you go with? Joe, in that situation, with my homes down for at least some time, who you going with? Approving or nonprofit? You going Flacco or you going fields?

[Joe Hayden]

I saw what for me and what I saw what Flacco do with the Bengals and what he could do with some weapons. He's a vet. He could put the ball in a little bit of places. I'm not. I'm not. We saw they picked. You know what else he's looking at? Philip Rivers came off the couch and was out there slinging it around. So if I'm Joe. Last time you seen me, I was starting, I was throwing it to Chase. I was throwing it to Higgins.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Joe, which one are you going with? Stop flying this way and that way and tell me which one you're.

[Joe Hayden]

I said Joe.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I said Joe.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey.

[Joe Hayden]

I said Joe.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's the only thing I can think of.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, so what would. Where would you go?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, so we. Okay, there we go. I, I okay. Thank you. I'm just saying I'm not. When I saw.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, I know he can sit in that thing and slang it. He go see it and get it there. What are you talking about?

[Joe Hayden]

I am on the same page as you. So just give him a little bit of protection some time. His mind is sharp. Joe Flacco, like, he's not dumb. And that's why I always love him. Because if you got a receiver quarterbacks you want, he's going to, he's going to give you a chance. He's going to get a DB a chance too, but he's going to give you a chance. Throws a nice ball, throws it on time. He's going to believe in his timing. You need to be where you supposed to be on time. So I like that in a quarterback when I know, boom, you got Andy Reid there. So just for me. I'm sorry. I mean, I love Justin, but I hope he can do that with you have these great coordinators that it's on timing. You got to put the ball in these positions. Sometimes it might not be open. You're throwing in windows that you're throwing it to these spots and these dudes are really putting it there. Flacco's a spot guy where he's like, all right, I'm. Sometimes he's throwing it before you get there. So, like, if the DB jumps it, it might be a pick, but I'm telling you, it's going to be. It's going to. If it. If it works. Sometimes more likely than not.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So I don't. Maybe. I don't know. That's the only thing I can think of.

[Joe Hayden]

When you say things like that, you looking and you looking at the other teams around the league and, like, who you're better than. You know what I'm saying? Like, man, they're tripping. I could be there because I think I'm better than whoever started on these teams.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes, you are.

[Joe Hayden]

Because I know that if I were to say that old man, like, no, man, I'm back up here because I'm behind Joey Porter Jr. You know what I'm saying? I'm the third corner, but looking around, man, somebody could have picked me up for show because I'm better than the Seattle corner. I know that. That's. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's right.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Right.

[Joe Hayden]

Man, I see some other DNS starting. You better than them?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, yes, sir. This is an iHeart podcast.

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