Deebo and Joe - Part 2: Tom Brady considered unretiring + Avril Reese viral video + Barber does his client Dirty

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Deebo and Joe - Part 2

Tom Brady considered unretiring + Avril Reese viral video + Barber does his client Dirty
Date: March 27, 2026
Host: Shay Shay Media & Playmaker (Shannon Sharpe)
Guests: Deebo Samuel & Joe Thomas

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Episode Overview

In this energetic and candid episode, Deebo Samuel and Joe Thomas chop it up about NFL life on and off the field. The duo dives into Tom Brady’s rumored second unretirement, viral NFL draft prospect videos, athlete lifestyles, and the lighter side of social media, including a hilarious viral barber fail. Authentic stories and friendly banter reveal locker room mentalities, career transitions, and the sometimes absurd world of sports culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Tom Brady's Potential Second Unretirement

[02:57 – 06:12]

• Deebo Samuel discusses rumors that Tom Brady considered coming out of retirement for a second time, but was discouraged by the league due to complications involving his media and ownership roles.

  • “He revealed that he explored the possibility of unretiring… but was rebuffed by the league when he… talked to them about the subject.” (02:57)

• Joe Thomas breaks down the contractual and logistical hurdles—namely, Brady’s Bucs contract, league reinstatement, and his entanglements as owner/media figure.

  • “We already got the ownership going on with the broadcasting, and then it's just too many cahoots going on… League is like, no.” (04:51)

• Debate on Aging and Comebacks: Both weigh in on players testing comebacks later in life, mentioning Philip Rivers and Joe Flacco as examples.

Deebo Teases His Own Comeback Pro Day

[06:13 – 09:43]

• Deebo jokes about doing his own pro day at age 48, promising to shoot footage and match old “playing weight.”
  • “I'm gonna go ahead and video my pro day and have it ready to go.” (08:14)
• Joe Thomas expresses skepticism and jokes about wanting proof, focusing on functional athleticism over a mere appearance.
  • “I need to get footage of you because I'm seeing you lifting… I need to see you actively moving.” (07:56)

Draft Prospects & "Low-Drama" Player Value

[10:22 – 14:59]

• Notre Dame RB Jeremiah Love’s draft interview highlighted; he claims to be strictly about football, focused on video games and anime off the field.
  • “You draft me, I'm not doing too much... my perfect day after a game, going home, play video games… simple guy. You’re gonna get strictly a football player with me.” (10:22)
• Deebo and Joe discuss the value teams place on players with few off-field distractions.
  • Joe on certain teammates: “Tim Tebow... practiced exactly what he preached… Great Christian man. One of my best teammates of my life. Just really solid.” (11:44)
  • Joe’s take on “boring” players: “If you do have a legitimate guy... doesn't really go out, doesn't really do that. That would kind of help your team… Eliminates the chance of him… being targeted.” (13:09)

Post-Game Routines: Steakhouse vs. Applebee's

[19:16 – 24:25]

• Joe and Deebo compare favorite post-game rituals:
  • Joe: Dinner with family, watching games, then maybe clubbing if the team won. “We went to Barley House or we went to Rumer… It was always good energy, good vibes.” (19:28)
  • Deebo: More casual—Fridays or Applebee’s, mostly sticking with water and the gym after late games. “We going to Applebee's… ain't got it like that, Joe.” (20:34)
• Joking banter about who’s really “bougie,” as Joe accuses Deebo of secretly spending on expensive wine:
  • “You do got it. Yeah. Matter of fact, you Debo. You're lying. Because when we go out to eat, you don't want ordering the Caymus.” (22:10)
  • “I do not drink Caymus… I drink Caymus Special Select.” (22:27)

Viral NFL Drill Videos and Social Media

[24:47 – 28:39]

• Discussion of Avril Reese’s awkward viral drill rep during his pro day (Ohio State LB), and the “unfair” portrayal by social media.
  • Joe: “It just didn't look too explosive… if you gonna post the rep, post him going hard.” (25:27)
  • Deebo: “You got one rep. You ain't seen other ones. I don't know… Social media trying to make a little bit too much of this.” (27:11)
• Comparison to University of Miami drills and acknowledgment how context and direction from coaches matter.
  • “You never know how we were supposed to do it… what the coaching of this drill is.” (28:06)

The Barber Disaster: Comic Relief

[28:39 – 39:54]

• Deebo and Joe react live to a viral video of a barber destroying a client’s hairline; their exaggerated outrage is comedy gold.

  • Deebo: “Bruh, look what this barber did to this man's head, bro… This has got to be a skit.” (28:50, 29:16)
  • Joe: “That's foul. Somebody… He's pushing that man back so bad, bro.” (29:40)
  • “That's like taking a whooping on top of his head, bro.” (35:09)
  • “If a barber came in there and tried to touch my line and push it back at all, I'm like, don't do that. I'm already fighting for my life right now.” (37:26)

• Leads into a heartfelt but funny dialogue on the perils of male aging and hair loss.

  • “Some people start losing it in certain ways… And that's when dudes ends up going bald headed.” (38:05)
  • Deebo: “Look at my top, Joe. Open and all that. The roof open.” (38:46)

Honest Chat About NFL Loyalty & Management

[40:14 – 41:34]

• Joe gets real about management-player loyalty during roster moves.
  • “I'm an X's and O's kind of guy. Eye in the sky don't lie... Loyalty. I'm gonna tell you what it is. I just won't be... shady with you.” (40:41)
  • “Sometimes I might not be able to be as straightforward… you can't know. The left hand can't know what the right hand's doing… I'm working the deals.” (40:51)

"Famous Joes" Gag and Sign-off

[41:40 – 44:11]

• Banter over how many famous "Joes" they know; devolving into jokes about “Joe Mama.”

  • “You know Joe Montana.” (43:02, 43:50)
  • Deebo: “Joe Mama.” (43:53)

• The hosts wrap the episode, encouraging listeners to subscribe and tune in next week.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Deebo on Tom Brady’s attempted unretirement:
  “They ain't about to go ahead and let you be… media owner and be playing for another team, you know?” (03:53)

• Joe on NFL Lifestyle Balance:
  “Nighttime is not for most of the good players asleep… If you really do have these dudes that are staying to the script, making sure they're taking care of their bodies… GMs would be like, okay, boom, that's smooth.” (13:09)

• Deebo on post-game dinners:
  “We going to Fridays. We going to Applebee's… ain't got it like that, Joe.” (20:34)

• On viral pro day videos:
  Joe: “If you gonna post the rep, post him going hard… That didn't look as good if you were to look at that one and then look at another linebacker doing that same drill.” (25:27)
  Deebo: “Let me see three more other takes, and then I will agree or disagree on the… movement, stiffness, the no bend, whatever they want to call it.” (27:11)

• Barber fail segment:
  Deebo: “If that cut into my hairline, bro, I would have been whooping on his ass, bro… If I couldn't, whoop him. I'd have came back 40 deep.” (35:36–36:03)
  Joe: “If a barber ever come and get to pushing back my sides… that's my good man Trav. Know how I feel about my lines. And I need it because I'm fighting for my life.” (38:55)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Tom Brady Unretiring: 02:57 – 06:12
• Deebo’s Pro Day Challenge: 06:12 – 09:43
• Draft Prospects & Off-Field Lifestyles: 10:22 – 14:59
• Post-Game Routines: 19:16 – 24:25
• Viral Drill & Social Media: 24:47 – 28:39
• Barber Video/Comedy: 28:39 – 39:54
• Loyalty/Management Real Talk: 40:14 – 41:34
• Name-the-Joe Gag: 41:40 – 44:11

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Tone & Style

The episode is unfiltered and honest but always friendly, flipping easily between analysis, storytelling, and joke-filled ranting (“fighting for my life” over hairlines). Deebo and Joe’s chemistry drives a relatable conversation, mixing valuable NFL insights with down-to-earth, laugh-out-loud moments—perfect for anyone who loves football, culture, or just good stories.

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For Listeners who Missed the Episode:

This episode covers everything from NFL contracts and locker room ethos to viral fails and everyday athlete life—with plenty of honest debate, relationship wisdom, and good-natured clowning along the way.

Transcript

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[Deebo Samuel]

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[Joe Thomas]

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[Deebo Samuel]

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[Deebo Samuel]

Listen, man, Tom Brady, I guess he played this last season. What was that, 22. I guess he thought about coming out of retirement. He revealed that he explored the possibility of unretiring the second time, but was rebuffed by the league when he breached, I guess the broach. The. The. When he went for the subject. Y' all need to use some words. He went and talked to him about the subject. Don't give me words I don't damn understand, okay? And he said. He said, I actually inquired. They didn't like the idea very much. So I'm going to leave it at that. We explored a lot of different things and I'm very happy. I'm very happy Lee retired. Let's just say that, too. What he's saying. What are you saying, Joe? I'm gonna tell you what he's saying. He's saying he to go back, and I think he was still under contract with the Bucks anyway, so the first thing gotta happen is they gotta activate him and then they gotta trade him or they gotta release him from his. From his rights under that contract if he wasn't going to play for them. And then after that, you still have to go and be reinstated by the league as well. So he probably saying the league was like, yeah, that's what he said. The league wasn't like, yeah, you ain't. You ain't coming back, baby. You know, you got a lot of things going on right now, you know, so we got issues. We got a bad position with you right now anyway with you being an owner doing media and everything else. You know, we ain't about to go ahead and let you be. Do all that media owner and be playing for another team, you know? I don't know. I don't know. What do you think, Joe? You.

[Joe Thomas]

You hitting it on the head like Tom Brady. We already got the ownership going on with the, with the broadcasting, and then it's just too many cahoots going on, you know what I'm saying? Like, you got your foot in every and everything. So the league is like, no, they

[Deebo Samuel]

bending it, dude, they've been in.

[Joe Thomas]

They already already been in. The rules. They, like, do you just want to keep making them exposed for how much we just rock with you, Tom Brady. Like, we rock with you so hard, you could come back and still own the team. And then it's. Then you have to stop the announcement. But I'm like, tom, you're chilling. You're at $35 million a year announcing being part owner of the Raiders. Like, I don't know. He's just doing a little bit. It's a lot. And he's getting. Tom Brady. He's older. Like, he was already old. And then taking the years off, chilling to the body. Philip Rivers, did he see. I'm thinking, everybody's looking around. Flacco, Tom Brady. You see Philip Rivers come off the gym, just off the couch, trying to sling the ball in a professional football game. That was nuts to me. He did good and made it. You know, he couldn't throw it as far as. But they. They.

[Deebo Samuel]

When you see far that thing wasn't coming out as fast, I was like, yeah.

[Joe Thomas]

I was glad he made it out, man.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes, sir. Alive, man. That man wanted to unretire a second time. You know what? I'm gonna go and I'm gonna see. I'm gonna call him up, see what the process is, see if I can unretire a second time.

[Joe Thomas]

Debo, you don't mean it.

[Deebo Samuel]

You know, I'm about to go and see.

[Joe Thomas]

You don't mean it.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm. Dude, I retired one time. I came back. I might, you know, might. I retired again. I might. I might have to make a double. I just want to see what the process is.

[Joe Thomas]

I'm just telling you, diva. All that. I'm telling you, you looks can be deceiving. Wait until you get out there and get the running around, putting those. Those pads, getting that weight on you. It's gonna be different. You look good. I saw you doing the arms, Curly.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, hey. The weight. Back to playing weight.

[Joe Thomas]

Joe, you not playing weight.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes, I am.

[Joe Thomas]

What was the plan? Weight? 258, 260.

[Deebo Samuel]

Playing weight was anywhere between 242 and 265. Well, I've been as heaviest, too. 82, 82.

[Joe Thomas]

That's a big difference in playing weight.

[Deebo Samuel]

The super bowl we won. I was 286.

[Joe Thomas]

When you got older, did you start going down? Because 286 to 248 is a.

[Deebo Samuel]

You know, that was a long season. So when I first came In, I was 242. My, my. My best playing weight was probably between 2:55 to 65. I'm 248, almost 250 right now. So I'm. I'm there. I'm there, Joe, and I got room to go ahead and stack, stack something back on.

[Joe Thomas]

You know, I need to start. I need you. I need to start seeing your lateral movement. You know what I'm saying? Your burst, your speed. Cause you could look. You look good. I'm playing weight right now.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm get all that.

[Joe Thomas]

You know what?

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm get all that for you, man.

[Joe Thomas]

I need to get footage of you because I'm seeing you lifting, I'm seeing that. I need to see you actively moving. And then I'll know, bruh.

[Deebo Samuel]

My. Listen, I told you what my. Listen, man, I told you when my times. I'm going to do it. I'm gonna go and.

[Joe Thomas]

Devo, you keep telling me them times from back in the day. You.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm do a pro day.

[Joe Thomas]

Seven years old.

[Deebo Samuel]

Listen, I'm going. I'm going to az. I'm going to AZ and all that, right? So come, come, come mid July, end of July, I'm gonna go ahead and video my pro day and have it ready to go.

[Joe Thomas]

Please tell me exactly when you're gonna do it.

[Deebo Samuel]

I ain't gonna say. I'm pulling up. 3. I ain't gonna say I'm pulling up.

[Joe Thomas]

I'm pulling up. I want to see with my own two. I'm gonna record it myself. Okay, you let me. Yeah, for sure.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's. No, that's. That's no problem.

[Joe Thomas]

Because I. You know who won't be participating?

[Deebo Samuel]

I ain't running no less than a 4. 5, though.

[Joe Thomas]

You know who won't be participating? This guy right here.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, Joe. It's okay.

[Joe Thomas]

I got pinch.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, I keep telling you, all you gotta do is make sure you trigger finger right. Matter of fact, I'm gonna bring the digital, I'm bringing the electric time, and I'm gonna make sure everything like it would be at the combine. Yeah, yeah, I need all of that.

[Joe Thomas]

Oh, that's going to be hilarious.

[Deebo Samuel]

And when you see these numbers, I know you're.

[Joe Thomas]

Let me tell you something. You going, you might break one thing, you might break the bench record. But after that, I'm here for all of that. I'm here for all of the three cone. I'm here for all of the vertical. I'm here for all of the 40. I need to see this athleticism depo.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, yeah, all of it. Listen, you Go see it at. By then, I'm be 48. You go see it at 48 light and right. All right. I turned 48 in May, and I'm gonna be doing it then at 48.

[Joe Thomas]

I believe in you, though. I want to see this. I know. I believe in you, man. I believe in you more than I believe in myself doing it.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, listen, you don't. If you can't believe in yourself, then who can you believe in? Me?

[Joe Thomas]

You.

[Deebo Samuel]

You?

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Me?

[Joe Thomas]

I believe my brother Debo, because, yes, that's for sure. Hey, hey, you got. You got belief for both of them.

[Deebo Samuel]

You got your Lord and Savior first, then you got people.

[Joe Thomas]

You know it. You know it. You know, it's funny.

[Deebo Samuel]

Notre Dame running back Jeremiah Love spoke to NFL teams and said why they should draft him. Listen to this, brother. I'm a pretty simple guy. You draft me, I'm not doing too much. None other than football, like, outside of football, like, I'll go out here and there. I'll go out here and there. But I'm the type of guy, like my perfect day after a game, going home, play video games, talk to whoever I wanted to talk to and watch anime. So I'm a simple guy. You're gonna get strictly a football player with me, which is what you want. You know, it's gonna be my job, so I'm gonna take it very seriously and I'm gonna give you my all. And I'm not gonna cause you no type of trouble. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe.

[Joe Thomas]

What's up, brother?

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, hey, look at baby. I, I like what he's saying, Joe. I, I like what he's saying. Because what he need to realize, if you, if you fraggle rocking. If any of you dms or teams are worth a grain of salt, they go, go ahead and check into this and make sure you ain't just. You ain't just saying this and it's true now. Okay, Joe? Yeah, yeah, if it's true. Drove. Hey, put your gym hat on. Joe, what you. What you go do, Joe? Joe, what you feeling? What's going through your head, Joe?

[Joe Thomas]

This what I'm saying.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm.

[Joe Thomas]

Obviously, if I'm a gm, I'm going no, because Tim Tebow was a teammate of mine in college and he practiced exactly what he preached. All the Christian. He didn't drink, he didn't smoke, he didn't curse, he didn't go out. Tebow was. Man, I love Tebow. Great Christian man.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, yeah, Good dude.

[Joe Thomas]

One of my best teammates of my life. Just really solid Solid, grander earth. So anybody ever talks about Tebow of like how was Tebow? I'm like this best, best dude, hardest worker, worked hard, did all of that. Me same thing. I'm so to the earth. But I would go outside, I would go party. When I was younger in college, like I would go out, have a good time and stop.

[Deebo Samuel]

When you was young?

[Joe Thomas]

No, no. I mean when I was rookie in Cleveland until I got really. I got married, I got locked in me and moo. Probably my second, third year in the league. I did it for about two years in the league. I had a good time. Just, you know, nothing crazy and innocent. Good, innocent fun. I was out there balling, still perform. But I'm looking at it. You have players like Tebows, you have players like Najee Harris, T.J. watt, Minka Fitzpatrick that if it's real, it's real. They really don't have too many other interests besides football that like not like going out is a bad thing, but they really just don't hang out. You know what I'm saying? And for GMs that is a really, really good thing because the main thing is. The main thing, the main thing is football. Making sure that you taking care of yourself. You're not going out those nothing happens good after. So that's why you get it out of your system like first two, three years, first two years in the league and you understand it's a business like nothing. You out there having a good time. You can go to dinners, you can do that stuff. But nighttime is not for most of the good players asleep. You know what I'm saying? So during the season, if you really do have these dudes that are staying to the script, making sure that taking care of their bodies. And the earlier that you learn that where after like the. Your rookie season, where you coming in, TJ Minkas, these dudes come in like that. They come in work first. You know, I'm saying no, no bull. Some dudes come in like, like the flash, like to go out, like to have a good time. And that's not a bad thing. They can still come in and perform. But if you do have a legitimate guy that's like don't zero interest in it doesn't really go out, doesn't really do that. And that's, that's a guy that, you know, I'm saying that would kind of help your team because it just kind of eliminates that extra. Eliminates the chance of him going out, being out at the wrong time, something could happen. And Maybe not because of him, but being the target, being able to be dudes are looking at you in that city, you might not want no trouble, but trouble just happens to follow you because you just in the spot everybody's looking at you, everybody wants to be around you. So not saying that going out is a bad thing, but sometimes it could just put you in a situation to be targeted and you're not looking for trouble, but couple could just come and find you. So the younger dudes that if they don't end up wanting to be out in the city playing video games. Anime might sound corny, but two GMs. Oh I love this guy. And if it's genuine, and if it's genuine, boom. Be you come in here, do your anime, watch your cars, you know what I'm saying? Boom. You know that your players chilling and you know when he's at the facility, you know everything is everything. So I could see why if that is him and GMs would be like okay, boom, that's, that's smooth. I know I can kind of exit that out. But guys that do go out, it's just another little layer. It may not be bad, you know what I'm saying? But it's just a thing that if you don't do it, it's a check.

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[Deebo Samuel]

I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him.

[Joe Thomas]

Hi dad.

[Deebo Samuel]

And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen and she says, I have some cookies and milk. This is badass, convict. Just finished five years. I'm gonna have cookies and milk At Mom.

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[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, like Coach LeBeau, he would tell us, he'd say, look, it ain't no prize in the bottom of that bottle now, so be in a rush to get to the bottom of it. Okay, good time. But don't go too hard now.

[Joe Thomas]

Go for sure. Everything about Erasure, baby, no question.

[Deebo Samuel]

Especially after the game. What was your day like after a game? Like a one o' clock game versus a four versus a eight. How was you moving after the games?

[Joe Thomas]

One o' clock games, man, I was moving. Cause my. I would have family always. I'd say home games, family would always come out and we would go to dinner after the game, and I will always like to watch the other games. You know what I'm saying? So dinner probably at an exo. A little steakhouse, man. Me, the family, eat, chill vibe. And then after that, probably go Sunday, probably. Depending on if we won or lost. If we won, might be linking up with the boys. We might hit up a little spot at the nighttime, have a good little vibe. Because we was in Cleveland, it was only two places that we went. We went to Barley House or we went to Rumer. It was two clubs, new to owners, knew the security, knew everybody. And it was always good energy, good vibes. We're coming here to have listen to good music and just have a good time with our boys. Everybody get out of here safely. So, like, that was my thing. Go kick it with the family, have a good dinner, have a good vibe, and hopefully we won the game. And me and the boys meet up either at room or Barley and just kick it. Have a good time, bro. That was my go to game winner. Yes. Now I'm at dinner, watch some games. Me and my boy's gonna go politics.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay. Okay. I like it.

[Joe Thomas]

What about you?

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, I'm a little different. You know what I'm saying? One o' clock game. Yeah, we go eat. But we're going, like, to Fridays. We're going to Applebee's. You know, we ain't, you know, ain't got it like that, Joe. Ain't got it like that.

[Joe Thomas]

There you go. Look, it's. Oh, it's a meal. It's a meal. It's nothing crazy. You can go.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm just saying. I'm just. I'm just telling you, man. I'm just telling you. I'm just. Hey, Joe, like I said, nothing wrong

[Joe Thomas]

with Applebee's and nothing's wrong with Applebee's hobbies.

[Deebo Samuel]

Four o' clock game. I might. Might stop. Same thing. Get, you know, get. Get something to eat now. Eight o' clock game. Just going home, lay it down, go to sleep. I'm pounding water, though. I'm trying to get water in me just to try and rehydrate. Now, if it's like one of those four, eight o' clock games, that's away, it's a little different. I May land at 3, 4 o' clock in the morning. I'm going straight to the gym, hit the gym, then get done after that and, you know, chilled in. So I just. I just. It depends on the timing where we're at. If it was home away. But, you know, we ain't. Listen, we ain't going. I mean, if I was feeling good, I was feeling good. And I was feeling, you know, like we might go to Longhorn, you know.

[Joe Thomas]

See, now, when I was in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh, after the games, every time Eddie V's. Every time.

[Deebo Samuel]

I don't think I ever ate at Eddie V's.

[Joe Thomas]

See, you're Steve.

[Deebo Samuel]

Why are you acting like I ain't lying, Joe?

[Joe Thomas]

You'd be acting like you act. Not no one to say cheap, but you act like. You act cheap sometimes. Like you can't eat.

[Deebo Samuel]

I ain't got it, Joe.

[Joe Thomas]

You do got it. Yeah. Matter of fact, you Debo. You're lying. Because when we go out to eat, you don't want ordering the Caymus. Yeah, let me get that. Caymus. What about that? What about.

[Deebo Samuel]

I do not drink Cayman's.

[Joe Thomas]

What did you order? You ordered a bottle of wine. You ordered something. What'd you order? Silver Oak. You ordered one of the.

[Deebo Samuel]

No, I didn't. I did not. I did not. I did not. I don't. I do not drink. I drink. Came with Special Select.

[Joe Thomas]

Special Select.

[Deebo Samuel]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Thomas]

It's the type of.

[Deebo Samuel]

You said Caymus.

[Joe Thomas]

You talking about. I'm Bougie. I spend money. You talking about me and you talking about the type of Cayman. Oh, no, it's a special select Caymus. Look at this, man. You be lying to the people.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, hey, listen. Real talk. Go to. Go to the. It ain't even there no more. They tore it down. But matter of fact, Risa. Ask Risa. She used to come in for the games. Fridays. Real talk. We, we, we. 10, 15, 20 deep.

[Joe Thomas]

Pittsburgh, Eddie V's. Man, that joint slaps. And you have not been. If you ain't been for real.

[Deebo Samuel]

Where is it at? Where that. Before I started downtown.

[Joe Thomas]

It's right next to the hotel. Literally.

[Deebo Samuel]

I take it back. I went there. I went there for rookie dinner one time because I wasn't paying.

[Joe Thomas]

What's that P. What's that hotel called? The Pen Williams. The William Penn.

[Deebo Samuel]

Is that the William Penn?

[Joe Thomas]

It's next to the William Penn. Because when I first.

[Deebo Samuel]

Next to the one I decided. I don't think. For real. I thought she was talking about the one that was like across from the. The one downtown, like by the substation or something.

[Joe Thomas]

It's downtown.

[Deebo Samuel]

No, the one from the old. We don't know about the old hotel.

[Joe Thomas]

We're going up at old hotel. I think that's the next to the old Dude.

[Deebo Samuel]

I don't think I ever been there to these.

[Joe Thomas]

Then see you out. I got it.

[Deebo Samuel]

I've been.

[Joe Thomas]

That's what we going when we come. When I come back.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hot. What's the name of the one place I've been to? Hyde park.

[Joe Thomas]

You've been to high park. You've been off the hook.

[Deebo Samuel]

Off the hook.

[Joe Thomas]

And then you've been to the. One of the Snapper Prime.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay. Morton's roof. Okay.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Deebo Samuel]

That was all rookie dinners.

[Joe Thomas]

Tebow. Shut up. You got money.

[Deebo Samuel]

Acting like you ain't got it.

[Joe Thomas]

This man.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, my goodness, bro. Nah.

[Joe Thomas]

But I say all that to say that good old running back staying out the way. That's what I'm talking about.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, all the way. Loving that. Loving that.

[Joe Thomas]

They love that head coach.

[Deebo Samuel]

Everybody loving that you're running back coach. He loving that. They say what's dude's name? Oh, state.

[Joe Thomas]

Reese Arvelis.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, Arvel Reese. I guess they're saying he. He went viral on social media. They saying the social media team did he dirt, did him dirty. Look at the video, bruh. I don't.

[Joe Thomas]

Let me see. Oh,

[Deebo Samuel]

what's dirty? Can you replay that? Am I missing.

[Joe Thomas]

Is. It's just that he trying to. Once you looked at like the dude, I looked at it first and kind of didn't really know what was going on. How bad? Not. Not how bad, but what everybody was looking at. And then until you see like other dudes running and it's just the bend. Debo you saw, he was kind of like chopping around. Chopping around the things. It just didn't look too explosive. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Deebo Samuel]

Like when you had other guys doing

[Joe Thomas]

it, I saw the dude from the university of Miami, probably the same position, but he just.

[Deebo Samuel]

Were they doing it at the same place?

[Joe Thomas]

No, no. That was his pro day. And then I looked A video of the dude doing it at the University of Miami's pro day, and it just looked not as explosive. Like, when you really kind of sit back and look at another one Deebo of the same drill on a pro day and see just the bend, how low they're getting coming around that corner, how explosive they're coming up out of it. You know what I'm saying? It just looks like that wasn't his best rep. He looked like. You know what I'm saying? Like, he was just kind of. Like, he was kind of warming up a little bit. Like, he wasn't really, like, exploding, taking it as serious. So when the other dudes did it, it just. It just looked like, why would you post that and be like, oh, no, Social. Social media. Like, look at this rep. Like, if you gonna post the rep, post him going hard. Like, getting bend. Like, getting. Making that drill look good. Like, that didn't look as good if you were to look at that one and then look at another linebacker doing that same drill. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I think people were saying it. But at first, when I first looked at it, if you just look at it off the ribbon, like, okay, you know what I'm saying? It didn't. I didn't see nothing. It didn't look too outrageous. But then when I saw other people just the way they're supposed to be done, I thought he was just supposed to run around it. You know what I'm saying? Chop a little bit.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, but see, that's what I'm saying. Like, you looking at somebody else's drill, he being worked out by somebody else. You got one rep. You ain't seen other ones. I don't know. I think they trying to make a little bit too much of this, because you don't know what he was told by the dude who is running the drill as far as how he wanted him to cut around the things. If he wanted him touching the bags, rubbing up against the bags, not touching the bags. Y' all don't know what. The whole directive of what he was told to do in this drill. So to go over the top and just assume that he was told to do what everybody else did. Ah, I don't know about that, because he did sprint off out on the last one and. And, you know, hit the bag. So who knows? Like, let me see three more other takes, and then I will agree or disagree on the, you know, the movement, stiffness, the no bend, whatever they want to call it lack of so like

[Joe Thomas]

no, I'm with one.

[Deebo Samuel]

You're looking at one red.

[Joe Thomas]

Like I like the way, I like the open mindedness Debo for show. Because I'm saying you never know how we were supposed to do it. Were you not supposed to be able to touch the floor? They want you kind of avoid the bags, you know, Because I, I don't know if you running, if they were doing the drill together, you know what I'm saying? Then you could kind of tell if somebody doing the same drill in the same line as them. You never know like if what the coaching of this drill is, you know what I'm saying?

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, for sure, for sure. I ain't gonna even lie to you. I'm trying to figure out what was going on and I'm looking at the video, I'm like, what is they talking about? Like they talking about the dude in the background with his shirt off.

[Joe Thomas]

I'm like, no, they was talking about buddy running around.

[Deebo Samuel]

So

[Joe Thomas]

when I first looked, I didn't notice it. I didn't know what was going on. But then it. If I don't know.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah, social media, baby. That's just how, that's social media is how it is. You know, everybody got a little matter of fact. Bruh, bruh, bruh. Look what this barber did to this man's head, bro. Bruh, hold up. See this man, Look. Oh my God.

[Joe Thomas]

See? No, see that's what I'm joke. That's it. Honestly, that's not okay. That's foul. Somebody you can't. He's pushing. He's pushing that man back so bad, bro.

[Deebo Samuel]

This has got to be a skit.

[Joe Thomas]

It's got to be, bro, that no,

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[Joe Thomas]

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[Deebo Samuel]

Like, look, Joe. Like, run that back again. Look how far he cut into

[Joe Thomas]

Debo. This, this. There's no way that this can be like a barber really messing up somebody's head. He has to know this, man, or it has to be a punishment. You know how the parents would just come just, you know, bad grades at home, bad grades at school. You ain't right.

[Deebo Samuel]

Ain't no way. 92. Ain't no way in hell, bruh.

[Joe Thomas]

Like, that has to be a son. That's the only way. He's sitting there, that patient, taking that. That's like taking a whooping. He's sitting there taking a whooping on top of his head, bro.

[Deebo Samuel]

This is the thought of this, like, being real. Listen, hey, man, get the kids away from the screen right now. Cause I'm about to crash out, okay, bruh? Bruh. Y' all got the kids away? Y' all got the kids away?

[Joe Thomas]

Oh, no, listen, that's not the second.

[Deebo Samuel]

That cut into my hairline, bro. I would have been whooping on his ass, bro.

[Joe Thomas]

You had to, bro.

[Deebo Samuel]

I would have whipped his ass, held him down, and cut a strike down the middle of his head, bro.

[Joe Thomas]

See, that's what I'm saying.

[Deebo Samuel]

I'm trying to tell you. And if I couldn't, bro. If I couldn't, whoop him. I'd have came back with 40 more. I'd have came back 40 deep and held him down and. And cut a strike down the middle of his head.

[Joe Thomas]

You gotta go ball head. You gotta go instant ball head. And then he came in there with a head of hair.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, my.

[Joe Thomas]

A foot.

[Deebo Samuel]

A great hairline. He had a hairline that was so far forward. You. You. You. You ain't gonna do nothing.

[Joe Thomas]

You didn't have to do nothing. That's what I'm saying. Barbers. He probably was trying to. You know, when they keep messing the. But he wins. Deep into his hairline.

[Deebo Samuel]

You see where his hair is at when he cutting him back, Joe, man,

[Joe Thomas]

bruh, I'm telling you, that's so foul. Because that. That's. His hair's gonna grow right back. His. That joint's not. It's not. It's never going to be fresh.

[Deebo Samuel]

Oh, man. They in the chat tripping, bro. They're in the trash. I ain't saying that. I ain't even saying. I don't even know what. I don't know what that mean, man. Y' all can look at the chat, man. I don't even know what that means. Look at the chat, Joe, man. Just look at the chat real quick. Look here, man. This is no way. It's no way. This was real. This had to be a skit. Because I'm coming back 40 deep. If I can't do it myself, I'm coming back 40 deep, like. Because you either go take this stripe down the middle of your head or you go take an ass whooping and we go give you this stripe down the middle of your head. My line like that. He's lying, like, four inches up, further closer than your line. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah.

[Deebo Samuel]

Huh? Yeah.

[Joe Thomas]

No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that's what I'm saying. I'm fighting for. I'm fighting for my life. So the only thing is, if. If a barber came in there and tried to touch my line and push it back at all, I'm like, don't do that. I'm already fighting for my life right now. So don't overcome here trying to push it back, doing all the little crazy stuff. Because, you know, that's why I don't play by mine. It's already getting. You know what I'm saying? Stephen A. Smith, he know like, people, once you.

[Deebo Samuel]

Once.

[Joe Thomas]

Once your time starts coming. No, no, no, I gotta. Because once your time starts coming, Stephen A know that's my man. And he know he's his head gets to push back. But that's. That's age.

[Deebo Samuel]

He get the pushback. It ain't.

[Daniel Alarcon]

No.

[Deebo Samuel]

It ain't about getting it.

[Joe Thomas]

He.

[Deebo Samuel]

He trying to line up. What's left, bro?

[Joe Thomas]

He's trying to line up. That's what I'm saying. That's what age, age, age. Age comes pushback, age comes. You start. Some people start losing it in certain ways to the sides right here. They front just starts to come back and that's when dudes ends up going bald headed. Look at my man.

[Deebo Samuel]

Listen, kd.

[Joe Thomas]

It happens to all of us. Age happens.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, look at you. Look at you. Hey, that's what I'm saying.

[Joe Thomas]

You weren't always b.

[Deebo Samuel]

Tell them where the line at. Show them. Tell them where the line at, Joe. I can't.

[Joe Thomas]

I don't know.

[Deebo Samuel]

You're used to here, Joe. I think somewhere right now. Hey, hey, listen, Joe. And my top. Look at my top, Joe. Open and all that. The roof open.

[Joe Thomas]

And you used to be here. Right here.

[Deebo Samuel]

Fade on them. I started line all this up around here. Down here. Fade the top down so I can have something to brush.

[Joe Thomas]

You know, I'm trying to tell you it's the path that we take. I know I'm getting lighter. I can feel it getting lighter. It's sad, but I'm fighting. So if the. If the barber ever come and get to pushing back my sides, it's here. But my barber does it. That's my good man. My good man Trav. Know how I feel about my lines. And I need it because I'm fighting for my life. Okay, You. You put up the good fight. Hey, are you rocking the ball head?

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, listen. Amanda took enough of a beating. Carry on in the house.

[Joe Thomas]

Hey, man, I said listen. Give me my ball, man. Hey, man.

[Deebo Samuel]

Go ahead, man. Amanda took enough.

[Joe Thomas]

That's push. That's what I'm telling you. That's not no joke. That's what I'm telling you right there. That man has a good hairline. His joint is not pushed back. That barber that's so fat. That man got years of good hairline. He cut off years of hairline. He's tripping.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah. It can't be real, Joe. That got. That gotta be. That gotta be like a. They gotta be like some type of satire, like a joke. Like, man, like he was gonna cut it ball. And they just went on ahead and that's his son.

[Joe Thomas]

That's his son. He got bad grades. That's the only way that he was sitting that he was sitting that comfortable, taking that whooping on his hair. You gotta feel.

[Deebo Samuel]

You feel that air when it hit playful.

[Joe Thomas]

Who you gotta play. When you get traded, go there and do what you gotta do. Because you're hitting the lottery. Every year you're playing in the league, you're making a king's ransom to play a game that we love to play. So do what you gotta do. Make sure that you're not. Just don't give yourself reasons to get cut, reasons to get chopped. It is what it is. I'm an X's and O's kind of guy. I in the sky don't lie if you're not doing good. Ah. If we got to make some moves.

[Deebo Samuel]

Ah.

[Joe Thomas]

We got to make moves. Moves are happening. You know what I'm saying? Loyalty. I'm gonna tell you what it is. I just won't be. I won't be shady with you. Ask me what you want to know. I'll let you know what it is.

[Deebo Samuel]

Okay.

[Joe Thomas]

Sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes I can't. Sometimes I might not be able to be as straightforward as possible because I'm. Because I'm working. I'm working the deals. I am upper management. You can't know. The left hand can't know what the right hand's doing. So I respect the fact that you can't be telling me. You know what I'm saying? I'm a player. You are upper management. So there's still going to be a relationship. It's going to be a respectful relationship.

[Deebo Samuel]

But at least let it get to me before somebody telling me about it.

[Joe Thomas]

Yes, before Adam drops. Right before Adam Scheffner drops it. All right, man, look, pull him into the office. Boom. Soon you leave, then Adam Scheffler's gonna know because the agent knows things are happening fast, so. But I'm pull you in there. Boom. As soon as you leave out of there, your ass is on the ticker.

[Deebo Samuel]

No question. What is this? Joel? Never bust again. Never bust.

[Joe Thomas]

Never bust again.

[Deebo Samuel]

It's crazy, yo. Never bust again. Five dollars.

[Joe Thomas]

Joe.

[Deebo Samuel]

What's the. What's the Joel.

[Joe Thomas]

Joel? You mean Joe Joe or Joe, my man Joe?

[Deebo Samuel]

Who are we talking about?

[Joe Thomas]

I don't know.

[Deebo Samuel]

Never bust again. You talking about? Never. Never. Never mind. I'm not gonna say.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah, you.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah. Never Never mind. Joe. Joe. Yes, sir. Maybe talking about Joel Longstreet. What's the. What's the dude's name? Church. Church Osteen. Olsteen. Osteen. Something like that.

[Joe Thomas]

Don't get me lying.

[Deebo Samuel]

Billy Joel.

[Joe Thomas]

Billy Joel. Joe Pantonio.

[Deebo Samuel]

Joe Pantonio. I don't know too many Joes. I know a bunch of Joes.

[Joe Thomas]

My dog and Tony Hayden. Can we resign him? That'd be fine.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yeah. I know Joe Flacco. I know Joe Burrow. I know Joe Burrow. I know Joe Montana.

[Joe Thomas]

You know Joe Montana.

[Deebo Samuel]

I know of Joe Montana. But this is what I'm trying to like. I only want to bring this back up because it's just probably sensitive subject for you, you know, and in. In the sense of Mexico and all that other stuff, you know what I'm saying? So in my search for Joe's, I was looking at Joe Burrow. Of course I was looking at Joe Montana. I was. And I ain't gonna lie. The big fit that I was looking at was so we could keep the. It was just in the spirit of keeping the Cleveland, you know, Stillers thing going is. Yeah, Joe Thomas, you know, so.

[Joe Thomas]

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Joe Thomas.

[Deebo Samuel]

I was just. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Thomas]

You know, there's just so many great Joes.

[Deebo Samuel]

I was just. You know, Joe Green.

[Joe Thomas]

You know Joe Montana.

[Deebo Samuel]

Yes, sir. Joe Mama.

[Joe Thomas]

Joe Mama.

[Deebo Samuel]

Hey, man. Look here. We want to thank y' all for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you, like, subscribe and download where you get your show, Joe.

[Joe Thomas]

Yo, yo, yo. We will see y' all again on Monday, same time, same place. Let's get it.

[Deebo Samuel]

And we out.

[Joe Thomas]

How you doing today, Joe? Let me tell you something, Debo Deebo is my time real quick.

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[Joe Thomas]

Then she says, have you seen a

[Deebo Samuel]

photo of my son? And I'm like, who is this person?

[Boys and Girls Podcast Host]

Welcome to the Boys and Girls Podcast. Arranged marriage is basically a reality show and you're auditioning for your soulmate. And who's judging? Only your entire family. I sacrificed myself to this ancient tradition, hoping to find love, the right, and instead I found chaos, comedy, and a lot of cringe. Listen to boys and Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Daniel Alarcon]

I'm Daniel Alarcon, and this is my friend. He's much more famous than I am.

[John Green]

I wouldn't go that far, but I'm John Green, co host of the podcast the Away End with my old friend Daniel.

[Daniel Alarcon]

On our podcast the Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to to the 2026 World Cup. Together, we'll find out why of all the unimportant things football, soccer is the most important.

[John Green]

Listen to the Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe Thomas]

I'm Miles Turner. And I'm Brianna Stewart. And our podcast, Game Recognized Game, has never been done before. Two active players giving you a real look at our live and what we actually think on and off the court. Nothing's off limits. We talk tanking. I might get in trouble for this answer, but I think it's, like, definitely happening. In the wnba, we talk about our mistakes too. They pulled me to the side and was like, hey, man, we got a call last night, man. You can't be rolling around the city like this the night before games. Check out Game Recognized Game with Stewie and miles on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.

[iHeartRadio Announcer]

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