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Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host James Debo Harrison and I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today?
Joe Hayden
You're doing good, brother Debo. Coming off a great Thanksgiving. How was your Thanksgiving, my brother?
James 'Debo' Harrison
Oh, it was, it was good, brother. I, I can't complain. I got to sit down and watch three games of football, baby. You know, it don't, it don't get much better than that. And now I ain't eat too much.
Joe Hayden
See, that's the craz. I, I ate and slept and woke up and ate again and slept and ate again. I'm.
James 'Debo' Harrison
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Joe Hayden
I gotta put a little weight on me and you know, the food's slapping.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah. Where you at? I see you got a little, you.
Joe Hayden
Know, you know, always I'm adaptable. Woke up, went to the crib this morning ready for the show. Wi fi completely down. So I had to come to. I'm at my wife's mom's house, you know, lovely. We gotta adjust baby, you know, some stuff together. I'm in her lovely chair in the basement, vibed up.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Okay, that's what's up, man. Them bangles went out there and you know, they put it, they put it on, they put it on the radio.
Joe Hayden
Yes, they did.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Hey, listen man, your boy, that, that's My new favorite nonstop quarterback. Man. I really appreciate you over there, man. Appreciate you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Smoke. Smoking cigars.
Joe Hayden
Oh, you know, Joe. Joe Cool. Smoking a cigar smack after the game.
James 'Debo' Harrison
No question. No question, man. Sister United get up out there on that first. That first drive, and they go ahead, roll Joe out. So y' all can see the.
Joe Hayden
The token move.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, the token move. He. He is Tinsley for eight yard completion. Next play, Brown, I think, went for seven. Then second down, I think it was samples. He. He got a short pass. He took for like, what, 15, 14, something like that. Then I believe Brown got dropped for like, five. Yeah, holding. It was a hold. It was a hold. First down, Chase. He hits Chase for nine. I think Brown converted on the first. That next play, I think it was like two yards. And then Baltimore, they stood up. You know, they bend a little bit, but don't break. They. They hold them to a field goal. It's three to Nathan. Lamar comes out immediately. What's the dude's name?
Joe Hayden
Charlie Cooler.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Cooler? Yeah, dude. He hits him for like, 17. Next play, Lamar to likely for hot eight. Henry converts that one on the third down for like, four. Second down, Lamar do his thing. He gonna scramble for a hottie.
Joe Hayden
Showing the hamstrings good, you know, no slit. I could tell he don't like to slide, but you gotta start liking the slide.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, he. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. You can look at it.
Joe Hayden
I'm an athlete. I'm like this, bro, we're saving yourself. Cause you don't want to keep taking the news.
James 'Debo' Harrison
No question. You don't want to be getting bopped. No, we need you. Then that man went on ahead and he went. What was it? Almost 30 for the touchdown.
Joe Hayden
28 yard toss. King Henry, you know, picking them knees up, bro. It's crazy. He passed Jim Brown now in yards. Like, I didn't really realize, you know, he was doing it in Tennessee for a minute, but, like, he's consistently getting thousand 1500s. So, yeah, shout out King Henry.
James 'Debo' Harrison
When they done turned that thing into, you know, one of those passing, you know, it's gonna turn to a real, real pass. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
Joe Hayden
There ain't too many more of them weekends. That's really just toting that pill. Crazy.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, the Bengals get out there and they. Baltimore said, hold up. Let's really test it. Let's check corner blitz. Corner blitz. They sack. They sack, bro. He get up. I'm trying to see. I'm like, hey, get up, baby. Get up. They hold them. They hold them down. They end up forcing the three and out. The Ravens get back out there, dude.
Joe Hayden
And this one should start getting tricky.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yes. The sack. Fumble recovery at the Baltimore six by the Bengals, Bro. Bro.
Joe Hayden
I think he was at three.
James 'Debo' Harrison
It was at the three.
Joe Hayden
He was at the three, brother.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Oh, it might have been at the three or the two now.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, he was right inside of the fight. He underneath the five or two, like three. Two and a half.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Matter of fact, it was the two, bro.
Joe Hayden
Yes, bro.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Because they ended up holding them and they went for it on fourth down. It was turnover and down rough.
Joe Hayden
Yes. Listen, dudes have.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Talk about putting on fire.
Joe Hayden
Two and a half. Talk about Debo. This is what you talk about. This is what you say. This is. When you like this, you talk about a blade of grass. If you have a blade of grass to defend, that's what you go to the. Fuck a blade.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Blade, bro.
Joe Hayden
Yes, yes, yes. Okay.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah. Because the Ravens get it. And they started at their two yard line. Yep. Because that. On that third down, Lamar missed flowers.
Joe Hayden
Yes.
James 'Debo' Harrison
They ended up. They ended up going to three and out. It really didn't matter that they got that little false start before they punted. But it was an extra.
Joe Hayden
He was already at the. He was already heels on the Heels on the back.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yes. Yes. Heels on. That's the worst position. You know what? I threw it over a punter's head like that. I wouldn't even. It wasn't even heels on the back. He just couldn't jump anyway, man. You know, Cincinnati ended up getting the ball midfield. I believe they got to about a third and six. And that's when they got that. That false start. But then Burrow, he moves around the pocket, does his. Does his thing, showing y' all the toe good. He hit the boy Chase for the third.
Joe Hayden
That was the secondary route. He ran a dig, he was able to escape. So he was able to break back out to go to the sideline. So it was good. Good. Goodbye, Burrow. Being able to create more time.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah. And then when they got to the 4th and 1 and they just did a straight quarterback sneak, I'm like, oh, yeah, his toe. Good.
Joe Hayden
Talking about his talking about. He put his left foot back with the broke toe to get more. I said, he pushed off the toe. I'm like, okay, you must.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, yeah.
Joe Hayden
And you see, they were showing that big ass thing he was wearing inside of his shoe. He kept switching the shoes to make sure his Toe was comfortable. I said, I know that hurt.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah. Then on that second down, like, that could have been a touchdown.
Joe Hayden
That's my man. My man was out there, Tinsley, this. He was out there some. That's the thing about having some very. Sometimes you got Jamar Chase, and now he's taking t. Higgins spot. It's the difference between Tinsley and Higgins. When you got that second receiver over there, not trying to knock him. But I was like, bro, run the fade ball. You chilling. Like, Humphrey jumped down like he was.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Why did you stop thinking?
Joe Hayden
You see this cornerback jump something like. Like the ball. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. That's your quarterback playing that man.
James 'Debo' Harrison
He's throwing you wide open all the way. Like, all he had to do was keep running. Like, you know, he ain't. He ain't really. It's Burrow's first time back, but you still should never stop on a route. Like, he should be giving that thing out. Better not. And he looks up, it would hit.
Joe Hayden
Him right in his hands.
James 'Debo' Harrison
No question. No question. Then on third down, Burrow get up out of that sack. I'm like, okay.
Joe Hayden
Oh, yeah.
James 'Debo' Harrison
He do the little flip to the running back. They get to the fourth down, they got to settle for the field goal.
Joe Hayden
Good thing he ain't throw that screen. They might have picked the screen if he would have threw it.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, it might have been trouble. It might have been trouble. It's six, seven, Baltimore. I think they get out there, I think they convert. Like, maybe it was two first downs. I think one was a third down where Lamar scrambled. And then that next play after he scrambled, though, he missed Walter High. Like, that. Could have been a huge game.
Joe Hayden
Wide open. Devonte Walker, right?
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yes. Yeah.
Joe Hayden
Yes.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yes. Yeah. And the other first down I think they made was a second to 10 that Mitchell took like 12.
Joe Hayden
There was check downs.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yup, yup. And then, bro, they get to that second down. He hit likely on the short cross. This dude 44 yards for the tutty. And instead of just holding on to the ball, squeezing it, your. Your momentum is gonna drop you forward. He tries to pull it out and stretch it over the line.
Joe Hayden
How about though, Debo? How about that? He likely, ah, bugged out, bugged out. How about the effort? How about the reach? How about the punch?
James 'Debo' Harrison
Can't stop. It's a hundred every blade.
Joe Hayden
Debo, that was like, if you were just random, he's gonna score. Just try to go tackle his legs. They going for the ball because that's gonna be a touchback like that's, those are good football players making plays like, like not, not thinking nothing's ever over. Like those are the teammates I want.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Not stopping. Yeah, every, like you said, every, every blade of grass counts. Cincinnati gets the ball back because it bobbles out the back. So they get the ball, I think at the 20, the first play, they get a holding penalty. They go to like, what is it? First 20 and Burrow completes. I think it's like he, the next two downs, he gets 19 of the back, like third and one. The running back, he converts that easily, I think for like three. And then Burrow today arms over Baghdad Bruh.
Joe Hayden
That man Jamar Chase is nice and he threw it late hands. He did a little. He did a slight. He did.
James 'Debo' Harrison
He did. Hey, I like to let it play though.
Joe Hayden
Me too. They both are handsy. They both are handsy.
James 'Debo' Harrison
They both was hansy. Wasn't nothing overly aggressive with it. You tapped me, I tapped you.
Joe Hayden
Me being a DB too, like watching these fade classes, watching these like hand fighting. You can a push, you can tell it's a db. But if he gives you a little something like ah, he got me, that's not a flag, that's not a foul.
James 'Debo' Harrison
You know what I'm saying?
Joe Hayden
Like any of these little chicken wings, he's like, ah, he's a pro throwing late hands. Give me a little, a little rock with late hands, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's what Chase did. So that was a great play by the wide receiver. You can't. That's not. No OPI.
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James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, for sure. They get a. The Bengals do a false start on second down. They end up getting to a third and 10 and who burrow find again.
Joe Hayden
And that's when Chase bro, they're double covering them. They got a man in the corner underneath and the safety over top. He hit him with the post.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Huh.
Joe Hayden
And I snapped that thing back outside and bro hit the ball right in between them. Great ball. I'm like, you getting double cover and he's still hitting you with the with. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like that's just good.
James 'Debo' Harrison
That's good on good, good on good all day. They ended up stalling out. They settled for a field goal. I believe it's nine, seven now. Baltimore, get out there. I think it was like second down. Lamar extends the play again. You know, he's likely, I think dirty bruh. First down flowers. I think he gets the.
Joe Hayden
This coming out of the two minute warning.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah. He get the opi. What do you think?
Joe Hayden
What do you think? I see this one.
James 'Debo' Harrison
He.
Joe Hayden
You're being. You don't have to do it like that. I think he. Oh, he. He opened him. He opiated.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yes. Oh, yeah. That's. No. Quiet like you.
Joe Hayden
You didn't say like.
James 'Debo' Harrison
I don't think they understand how to just like, give it that. Just. Just hold him at it. Yeah. Distance.
Joe Hayden
Yeah.
James 'Debo' Harrison
You know, like, don't. Don't push. Just hold him at a distance. Like you trying to. Like, you know, like when you.
Joe Hayden
Like you, like. Like I said, it's a. It's a. You're placing your hand instead of like, really shoving. You could place your hand now you want, but when you start extending like, damn. So, I mean, that was. That was on Zay. I think he. She got your wide open. Take this away.
James 'Debo' Harrison
No question. Yeah. Yeah, that. That was. That was automatic. Yeah, that. They had to call. There's no other way. Come on, man.
Joe Hayden
You got to.
James 'Debo' Harrison
They end up getting to a first and 20. Make a few yards, but on third down, Lamar gets sacked again. Oh, where did this Bengals defense come from, man?
Joe Hayden
I had no idea. I was watching the game and I'm like, bro, like Lamar, you want. You know what I'm saying? Obviously, it's the. It's the Cincinnati defense. They're historically bad. You're going to go down there and do what you got to do. These dudes was making plays, keeping them in the pocket, like, you know what I'm saying? And dbs, too. Even though sometimes it was a tough. It was tough. Tough cooking. But they was out there trying to make it work.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, for sure, dude. They end up having to punt the rock. Cincinnati gets out there. First down, LeBron. He gets 12.
Joe Hayden
Yep.
James 'Debo' Harrison
And then what they do. Penalty, false start was. Was.
Joe Hayden
I. You know, Orlando Brown false starting a little bit. Like, even then they didn't call. I saw him jumping early a lot of plays, and I'm like, dang, you could throw the flag on the court.
James 'Debo' Harrison
What is.
Joe Hayden
Every time.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yes, dude. They've been letting these tackles move early so much.
Joe Hayden
I knew I wasn't true.
James 'Debo' Harrison
If you was to slow that stuff down, they're. They're moving before the ball. It's just that it's so close after the ball moves. The ref is kind of undecided. Like, did he move or.
Joe Hayden
And I think the ref sometimes, like, he threw two in a row and then was like, I can. I Keep on throwing the flat.
James 'Debo' Harrison
I'm like, can I throw another one?
Joe Hayden
Jumping.
James 'Debo' Harrison
He's moving early.
Joe Hayden
Throw the flag.
James 'Debo' Harrison
He moving second to 10. Burrow his. I think it was Tinsley for What was it? 14. But after that they end up stalling out. They punt the rock. Now Baltimore comes out tomorrow.
Joe Hayden
36 seconds left. Debo, 36 seconds left before the half.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Okay, I don't.
Joe Hayden
Two timeouts.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, and he ended up recovering it though. Team. Wasn't it. Wasn't it the Baltimore 15, 19, 19, okay. They recovered at the Baltimore 19, bro. Cincinnati gets out there and cannot do nothing. The defense puts out, fires another field goal. They end up only going 12 to 7 in the halftime, right. Baltimore kneel out. They go 12, 7 in there because they getting the ball back. And the Bengals defense come out there immediately at the beginning of the third quarter and show up. They force it three out of. Listen, I'm happy they won. And you go know why I'm happy they won at the end. But.
Joe Hayden
Where the hell did it come. Where did this come from?
James 'Debo' Harrison
I haven't. Listen, when you get you a player back like Joe Burrow, it puts confidence everywhere on your team. It brings everybody up. And that is what I think we saw, dude. Cincinnati goes back out there, gets the ball immediately, goes like 10 plays, 61 yards for a touchdown. They stay ahead of the change. Burrow start running, avoiding sacks, using this feet. You go with that. Plus, I think they ended up having like a 15, 20 yard pass interference. What's the dude's name period?
Joe Hayden
P. Ryan.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah. P. Ron. He was. He was. He was. He was doing a little something here and there. And then Burrow. Did you see the little. Did you see the little run he did, bro, I ain't gonna lie. He looked like he might have had a little bit of running back back in the day. And then like just scared, just trying to get. Get through there.
Joe Hayden
Yes, he has. He had a little vision, but he had a little scary in him too at the time.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah. Yeah. And then Burrow finished that thing with a nice one on 14 yards to. To Hudson with the. The one hand catch.
Joe Hayden
Good, Matt. Kyle Hamilton in good position in good space. But that's a great catch, you know what I'm saying?
James 'Debo' Harrison
Like sometimes again, another one where they let it play a little bit, you.
Joe Hayden
Know what I'm saying? But that's good on good. It's a great ball placement. Kyle Hamilton, that's what only he gonna be able to catch it and be able to one hand and get two feet in so, like, that's just good on good. And then making a play.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, it's what, 7, 7 and 19. Now I'm thinking. I'm thinking about to get sideways and. Damn. Baltimore finally ANSWERS. Andrews for 19. Dennis Henry for eight. Again, Henry for seven. Second down is Henry for seven. Third down, Lamar takes it, I think, what, nine? And then Mitchell for the 18 yard touchdown.
Joe Hayden
And Zay Flowers blocking his ass off. Did you see him one buddy smack and then jump on his back? I'm like, oh, oh, oh.
James 'Debo' Harrison
He doing, he doing, he doing. You know who taught him that? One of them dirty offensive linemen that like to jump on people's backs.
Joe Hayden
He taught him. I'm like, get off him, Zay.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Get off him.
Joe Hayden
That was good work right there. Them boys felt some type of weight.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Was it 1914. Now we got a fight. We got a fight on our hands. Cincinnati. Get back out there, man. Man. Bro, I think it was Burrow to Brown. What was it? 9 and then was it he was he. He was. He went for 12. Third down, Burrow hit Chase for like 15. I think it was the next third down with the. That's his name. Yoshivas twinking nine touchdown over Roman Smith.
Joe Hayden
That was a good ball, too. I mean, ball. Place the right over the top of the back of his head, bro.
James 'Debo' Harrison
He back like. He back. First game, it ain't even like. Like, he picked up where he left off. Let burrow, you know, 26, 26, 26, 14. BMO get out there and they go and get a whole penny on the first play.
Joe Hayden
First they was. They was ahead of the sticks.
James 'Debo' Harrison
What y' all doing? And then what happened?
Joe Hayden
They get that thing to King Henry.
James 'Debo' Harrison
That. That.
Joe Hayden
Man, they got to keep their leverage. They had three people. They had three people. And buddy want to come like, you got inside. Si inside, man, he ran right around your ass. And not 45 yards.
James 'Debo' Harrison
A whole. A whole half football field. Football field on y' all damn near. You know what I'm saying?
Joe Hayden
And they had. It was first and 20 for a check now.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yes. Yes. Bruh. Second down, Lamar ends up hitting Hopkins. I think that was the first catch he had.
Joe Hayden
Like.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yes.
Joe Hayden
First catch of the game.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then second down, they pressured him. Ended up happening, I think, right away. And then on that third and nine at the Cincinnati 15. Tip, pass, interception. And they return it to mid.
Joe Hayden
Tips and overthrows, man. They don't hit the ground.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Tips, overthrows. Hey, when they hit the ground.
Joe Hayden
Oh, when they hit the ground, you're. You're the happiest person in the, in the world defense, if that thing's typical.
James 'Debo' Harrison
And we always have them hit the ground for some reason, I don't know.
Joe Hayden
I know that we got to be pursuing. When the ball's moving, you thinking somebody just caught it, start running. Start running over there. Something good can happen. Something really good could happen.
James 'Debo' Harrison
The ball might pop to you. Yeah. So they, they. They ended up, I think, converting like maybe one first down. They get to like a third and two, and they just get stuffed.
Joe Hayden
Yeah.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Dude, come out there. He hit him. Yeah, he hit a. He hit a 52 yard field goal. It's now. Was it 29, 14. Baltimore gets back out there. I think they converted on the third down because of. Yep.
Joe Hayden
Holding on the db. Yeah.
James 'Debo' Harrison
And then the next play, he. He missed Walker deep again.
Joe Hayden
That was like. Was that. That. That was the DB2. I mean, he put a hand in the basket.
James 'Debo' Harrison
That's.
Joe Hayden
I mean, it was a great throw. He didn't like, right there, same time, perfect time. So I couldn't see.
James 'Debo' Harrison
No, I'm talking about the one he missed him. That next play. He missed Walker. He could have. He could have had him deep, but he. He. He couldn't hold on.
Joe Hayden
Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I knew something.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then the next third down after that, they had a false start and they went for it on. On the fourth down and they almost got picked on that one. They turned it over on downs. 1.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, but buddy, he could. He looked like he couldn't get off the ground and he just smacked the ball, got a little PBU turnover on down.
James 'Debo' Harrison
If he. Dude, if he got the full. Yeah, he got the four. That was that it really? Yeah. Cincinnati got out there. I think Brown, the first play was like 18, and then next one, I think was almost 10. And I think Baltimore on the third and one, they get a penalty encroachment. And old buddy, he said, I want to make it interesting. The next third down, he just coughed the pill up.
Joe Hayden
I thought it was like a mishandled handoff. He got it.
James 'Debo' Harrison
No, he took it. He handed it to him, and he handed it back to him. You know, exactly. He gave it to me. I'll give you. Give it to me.
Joe Hayden
I'll give it to you.
James 'Debo' Harrison
That's exactly what Baltimore. Baltimore, they get back out there after the fourth down conversion, they returned the favor on the first down, Flowers fumbles, the Rock gives it right back to Cincinnati.
Joe Hayden
Give me that.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Cincinnati. No question. Cincinnati put a little extra on it by making the field go 34, 14 games over with. Yeah, it don't. Yeah, it don't. It don't matter. Ravens, yo, you just. They got too many turnovers. What was it, five turnovers, bro. It is hard to come back from that. Like even with your defense putting out fires, you know I'm talking about. Not fire, fire these boys was putting out, right? D boys was putting out forest fires. I'm talking about 10 alarm fires all over the place. You had one fumble that they got at the two yard line going in and gave up no points on that. It was turnover on downs, bro. The other fumble was at the 19 going in. They gave up a field goal. The other one was at the 36 going in. They gave up a third field goal. The interception. They gave up only I think 20 yards on that one. And that was a field goal. And the, the biggest one was the fumble they had down there. They drove like almost 90 yards and still like only gave up a field goal, man. Like on top of just that right there. Like you gave up points that should have went on the board. The fumble at the goal line, you can't come. That was a whole flip that ended up being like a 10 point flip because they didn't get to 7 and then they ended up driving down 90 yards to get 3. Like the Bengals just. Dude, they did what was necessary, dude. They, they just dominated the time of possession. The defense, the defense, they came in and did things. They actually got off on third down. Like they got off on third downs, dude. Like they did what a defense is supposed to do, dude. Put out fires, forest fires, raging fires, dude. That's what a defense does, bro. Like that's job. I'm talking about. They putting out fires in the Sahara desert with dirt and dust. I'm dirt, bro. Like that's what we need to do, man. As these Steelers, if we are going to go and beat Buffalo, bruh, we have to perform on defense. Period. Dude, offense, don't get me wrong, the offense, we. We gotta run the ball, period. Buffalo is 30th in rushing, bruh, and 31st in rush per attempt. But like I said, they're still, what is it like 12, 13 defense in the NFL. So, so how is that when they're 30 something, they're number one in past defense. They are also number eight in sacks per pass attempt. So we have to run the effectively run the rock. We need to run the ball effectively. And I don't care if they know it's coming. If they can't stop it, it don't matter. Okay? If we can run the ball effectively, we now control time of possession, which means our defense isn't on the field as much. And our defense does not need to be on the field as much because we are going against the number three offense in the NFL, period. Number one in rushing and number nine in passing. The first thing we gotta stop is the run.
Joe Hayden
Thousand percent. We have to stop the run.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Like, if we cannot do that, we're gonna have to. And I know we can do it because we've done it. We did it against the number one rusher in the NFL with the coach. I know we can do it. The defensive players need to be in position to make the plays. Meaning the play calling is important, the scheme is important. I don't care how good you are. If we are schematically deficient, it's extremely hard to overcome. And when we aren't and we are in position, the players need to do the necessary things to achieve success. Like in zone, reroute the receivers. If we're in man, keep your eyes on your man. And as a defense going against Buffalo, we're going to have to mix up zone and man coverages. If we play man all night, Josh Allen is going to run the ball on us, okay? He is going to run the Rock. And that's if we play man extremely well. He's going to run the rock because our backs are going to be turned. Therefore, there needs to be something built in that spies him in man coverages. And when we're in zone defenses, guys, we have to jam these receivers, throw off their timings. It gives our rushers more time to get to Allen. Okay?
Joe Hayden
Like deo, I also think you speak in the gospel.
James 'Debo' Harrison
We need to start, bro. I think we need to start, like, being able to disguise our defenses. Everybody is reading our mail. The very few times that we do, we disguise it. It. It actually confuses quarterbacks because we don't do it as often and we don't do it well when we do it. And I'm thinking, like, that's something that it totally needs to be in there because I think the big issue is that everyone's not on the same page. So if I'm sitting here as a outside linebacker and I'm actually rushing, but I'm stepping out here like I'm on two and my safety is already rolled down behind me, sitting behind me, the quarterback already know he done.
Joe Hayden
We gotta be working together.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Everybody. We got to be on a rope together so no one person can be off like we used to have a thing where it was like it show. Yeah. What that mean this time we're showing this right here. No, we get to a certain point, snap count, whatever it is now. Okay. Once the play look like it's gonna start, we know he can't adjust. Once he snaps it now we roll up out of it. Like we need to be able to do that. We're not doing that. I don't know why we're not doing that as much as we should, but when you're on that rope, you had an understanding. I don't know if it's because the players don't know what they're doing or is it because it's not being told that, you know what, this is something we need to do. But if I'm sitting there and I have a quarterback like Josh Allen and I'm just sitting there in the coverage I'm a be in, he's going to pick me apart. Okay? Like, if we're going to win this.
Joe Hayden
Game, that needs to be done a thousand percent. Everything you said, Debo, is correct as far as defense, man to man eyes, zone bumping, your dudes, rerouting. We're saying the simple things. Like you said, the routine stuff, do it routinely. And we're legitimately saying it because you've done it before. It's not like we're asking you to go out there and do something that we've never seen you do. You know what I'm saying? We're actually to go do simple things. Don't go act out of character. If you have a man, guard your man. If you have a. A reroute assignment, reroute your assignment. So that part is when I'm with you 1,000%. It's not a skill thing, it's a goddamn do your job thing. And if you're not doing your job, then that's you.
James 'Debo' Harrison
When we.
Joe Hayden
Obviously I think you've been coached to do it because that's the defense, like on zone.
James 'Debo' Harrison
But also, like I said, you still have to push thematically correct offensively and defensively so that they can do their job and not have them out there in something that is not going to work. Unless I'm saying he goes and walks on water.
Joe Hayden
But this is what I'm saying. The plays that we see, when is open, it's not walk on water. It's like, dude, reroute. You know what I'm saying? Dude, get your eyes where they're supposed to be. You know what I'm saying? Stop getting Ran out your hole right here on this.
James 'Debo' Harrison
On.
Joe Hayden
In these circles, certain situations. So I think me, this. The everyman whoop a man. All of that stuff is legitimate. And our defense has the players to do it, but they have to every play. Like, no, like, it's on you to do your assignment, do your alignment. And if you. And then. Then we can go look at the tape. If this is some bullshit that they're asking you to do, and that's just schematically wrong, then we can go have that conversation like, no, that's wrong. That's. That's a bad play. But on the stuff that we can see and we're looking at like this. Oh, no, not rerouting. Oh, no, you're not looking at your man. Oh, no, you're not in your right gap right there. You know what I'm saying? Those are the joints. We like this. No, that's just you being trash. That's just. You need to be a better player. When the coaches are like this, what kind of scheme is this? How is he running wide open? Why is TJ Watt guarding the slot receiver?
James 'Debo' Harrison
That.
Joe Hayden
When we like this, that's bad play calling right there. You know what I'm saying? TJ shouldn't have to guard him in that situation. So I'm with you in. When we see those plays, that's coaching. When we see players with motherfuckers not jamming, that's on them. You know what I'm saying? So us being able to analyze and see what's going on, being able to do it. So.
James 'Debo' Harrison
But again, we are seeing people not jamming a lot. What are they being. Is it a. Is it a drop to your zone, watch the quarterback and read him and then adjust as you go?
Joe Hayden
No, no, no, no. Nobody's not telling you. Just, you know what it is when you have to jam two. It's a thing where you got to be doing two things. Rerun, not run. Get your eyes on two. And now you have to reroute them. Like, sometimes it might just be messing up, just having little brain farts.
James 'Debo' Harrison
That's why you stand at four yards. It's usually you're four by one.
Joe Hayden
Yes.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Why? Because I'm a.
Joe Hayden
Look, I gotta read that man line.
James 'Debo' Harrison
I'm coming down to it. If it's not, I'm a bump. I'm just gonna step over, bam him and get to where I need to get going, because I can't have him taken off of the field.
Joe Hayden
So I think some of this stuff is like, we know football I don't. I've never seen any cover three where you don'. Have to reroute number two. Like, that's just not that. Because it wouldn't. Because how. How James Pierre gonna be able to.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Cover, but also it's things of. It's things like this. So like you said cover three. I. I'm say I'm dropping curl flat. I'm dropping curl flat, right? I ain't got no work. If I ain't got no work, I'mma. I'mma keep. I'm gonna keep going deep. I'm gonna keep dropping so I can get under that.
Joe Hayden
Deep, under that. That. 7.
James 'Debo' Harrison
How many people are doing that? How many people are having that football knowledge? That's not something that, like, you're just going to know that has to be taught to you, told to you. Like, is the. Is the coaching being told to you or is all that being told? Like, I got nothing in my zone. Why am I sitting garden grass regarding grass, when I could have dropped back further and made that throw more difficult, which he had put more air time into it. Now my second.
Joe Hayden
Like this stuff like the play that we've seen Horn do when it's like, yeah, oh, I don't have anybody. There's nobody in my deep zone. I need to go find some work. Like, that's next level stuff that I feel you that we need to be able to definitely do that. Oh, you. After the punch and wide, nobody's in my zone. I can sink a little bit deeper and get up under this. So it's like, it's definitely next level stuff. It's just the simple stuff. Like, we're not doing. So I'm, I'm. I'm with you. Like, we got to see. I would like to ask them, hey.
James 'Debo' Harrison
What do you do? That's the thing sitting here and I'm questioning, is this coaching or is this. Because I'm seeing it too often. Like, at some point, if I'm the coach and you're not doing it, I gotta get you up out of here, bro. You're making me look bad because now you got people like me. Question, question.
Joe Hayden
If I'm really teaching it right, and I want to know, I am teaching right, you need to be doing it. But if you're not, we need to get somebody in there that can. Because you got me looking crazy.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Or you won't. The result is the same. It's not being done. I need to get somebody else in there.
Joe Hayden
Thousand percent.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Like, it don't. It don't. It don't make any sense to it. And right now Cincinnati did us a huge we are back in control. We need to do what's necessary to win these games and I'm hoping that we can do it.
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James 'Debo' Harrison
But I'm not really that optimistic, to be 100 honest with you. Yep, Green Bay went out there and put it on the lines. 31 Twinkie.
Joe Hayden
I wasn't expecting that either.
James 'Debo' Harrison
I wasn't expecting. They had Jacobs back though, man. They had Jacobs, right?
Joe Hayden
Jacobs.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Jacobs. He. He made, he made some situational stuff happening.
Podcast Host/Announcer
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James 'Debo' Harrison
He runs, bro. They get the ball on that first down, they. He basically kept him ahead of the chains for most of the time. Like the first down, he gets a run. I think it was like four or four. It was only a hot four yards, but that was after missing the game with a knee, I think. Second down, he hit Watson like on time, bro. As soon as he. Man, he threw that ball before he turned around straight into his chest, bro. He was doing it.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, he was doing right on time.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah. The next two first down, I mean, the next two downs, they picked up about nine again, staying ahead of the change. Third down, here come that man. Jacobs again. Nice run. O line did a good job blocking on that one, dude. I don't even think he got touched till he was about 3 yards, 3, 4 yards deep. And that was just a swipe of a hand. And then again, it was another, I think nine on, on first down. Maybe it was. Yeah, it was another nine on the next two first hours together combined together, they got another nine. And then he had a nice pass to Dobbs. I think that gave him like a, a third and one. They converted for like four. Then Love scrambled on that sack. He avoided that sack. But the throw was short. That's what happened. That. That throw was short. He missed, dude. And then he ended up missing Watson. The next play, they basically stalled theyself out. Detroit didn't stop. Yeah, they settled for. They settled for a field goal. It's three nothing. The very first play, Golf trips, dude. I'm thinking he about to just fumble the whole thing out. He got lucky, was able to get it to him. You see how his knee actually bumped the ball, his hands, dude. Lucky, dude. Yeah, very lucky. The next, the next play, Parsons pressures him, which would be something that would happen all night, pressuring and, and, and sacking him. And then the third play, he almost sacked him, but he ended up getting, getting the ball out. Yo, that right there, like the flick of the Wrist. That's the only thing.
Joe Hayden
Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, I knew that line brush.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Oh, man, that's the worst thing, dude. That's the worst thing, dude. Green Bay get back out there. And Detroit actually stands up. They hold him to a three and out. I was like, okay. I'm like, okay, Detroit come back out there. Gibbs went on ahead and I think he had a nice little seven yard run. But they lost St. Brown on that same play. And that.
Joe Hayden
That was.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, that hurt.
Joe Hayden
Oh, my man. Foot. It was his foot, right? Like I rolled up on his ankle.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, he rolled up.
Joe Hayden
The receiver trying to block. They coming up on you fast. That happens so much, man.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's, that's, that's part of the dirty part of being a receiver, you know, when you out there blocking.
Joe Hayden
Get rolled up on my guy. I know sometimes the DBs, we like there and not back, they push them into the pile. You know what I'm saying? Me or him?
James 'Debo' Harrison
Hey, I'm gonna bend you over this thing better. Yeah. I think Gibbs got another seven on, on second down. And then the first down, they ended up getting a illegal formation. They stopped Montgomery for no gang. And then golf, he just threw it into the ground. And here come Parsons again. Third down, he's sacks him. They gotta punt the ball. Green Bay gets it back. I think first down, they pressured love into like a incompletion. But dude, here come Jacobs again. Dude, little check down. I think he goes for like eight, third and two, man. Peels off what, 29, 30 or something like that, dude. They end up converting another first down, you know, with the help of offsides from. From Detroit. That was an incompletion on that third down. That gets him to, I believe was fourth and two. Now we had this fourth and two, then he hits Wicks for a 22 yard touchdown. They call that a touchdown? They reviewed and called it a touchdown. I think the ball moved when he went past him. He hit it and it went to his other hand. They said he had control of that and it just moved to his other hand. I personally think that was not a touchdown. What about you?
Joe Hayden
I'm with you, Debo. I'm with you. I mean, on offense, if that was a defensive player trying to catch that, I think they would have called that an incomplete pass. Just be like, oh, yeah, the ball was moving, obviously trying to get touchdowns. But I think for sure it it that's not secured. All of these show, these plays when they've been slowing it down. If it's Any type of moving, like switching the hands and stuff like that.
James 'Debo' Harrison
I think that that wasn't a switch, dude. That was a. Like when he came across, it was a bump, dude. And it just kind of just looked like. Like it went to the other hand.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, but that's not controlled. You say, no, he's not controlling that, doing the switch. So that's incomplete.
James 'Debo' Harrison
That's what.
Joe Hayden
That's what they should have said.
James 'Debo' Harrison
That's what I think. I'm with you. They end up going up. What is it, 10, nothing now? Yep. And Detroit actually comes back out and I think golf, he actually starts coming alive. He hits Williams. Was it 22? Yeah, something like that. And then I think Gibbs goes almost 20 on the second down. I believe it was like a. A third and long. Golf hit Kennedy for like 23. And then it's another illegal formation. Like how you. How you keep.
Joe Hayden
How you keep doing? Detroit, they well coached. I'm not.
James 'Debo' Harrison
I think they had some new players in there and all that other stuff, but I'm like, yo, same thing, though. I don't care about that, man. You gotta know when you're supposed to write.
Joe Hayden
Listening to the meeting.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Like, I. I don't know. Well, they get down there, I think they put Montgomery in. Then he ends up getting like eight on the first. I think he got maybe three on the second down. And then the wildcat. The wildcat is like third and third and yeah, yeah, he goes. He goes for the three yard touchdown. It's back into a game. It's seven to ten in Green Bay. They come back out there and again, bruh, like, hey, second down. They got lucky. They remembered that.
Joe Hayden
Oh, my God. Living right.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, it had to be. Yeah, yeah. Third down, Love hits. Love was hitting him, dude.
Joe Hayden
Christian with the toe taps on the sidelines.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, yeah. He hit Wicks, I think, for 18. And then on the second, I think it was Musgrave for 20 something. And then it was. Yeah, they got caught on the third down with 12 men on the field on that third and seven. But they get to the fourth one and one again, bruh, they false started. Oh, okay.
Joe Hayden
I didn't see that. I didn't peep that one. They false start.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Listen, they fought started for sure. Dude was running down there to call the timeout. Oh, but I know he's only running down there to call the timeout because he was gonna call it at 04, started at 2. And then you can actually watch the camera and see him running down there.
Joe Hayden
And when he sees he's Seen the move and then you've seen him do the. Do the timeout call you.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Oh, now it's gonna talk about. He could have been hollering it. No, you're not. Because the first thing you're doing as you're running down is if you're calling and hollering, you're already doing this to his attention. He calls the timeout at two seconds because you're waiting at zero to be like, I was calling time out. No, he saw him move.
Joe Hayden
Yes.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Debo, when he saw him move, he.
Joe Hayden
During this play, when this happened, and I saw him, I said, oh, my God, I'm watching. I said, he lied.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yes.
Joe Hayden
I like, he lied.
James 'Debo' Harrison
And you have the timing right there in real time. You see it. But he jumped back. So unless the ref is going to say, I heard him hollering, timeout.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, that was janky. That was Jakey right there.
James 'Debo' Harrison
That's janky. They end up scoring on that dude. They go up 17.
Joe Hayden
My boys with the switch route. They kept running them. They.
James 'Debo' Harrison
That.
Joe Hayden
That's the one thing, too, about the play call in Debo that I would say. When they know it's man to man, them dudes running up there and being able to do that stack to where the DBs don't really know, like, inside, outside, they get your leverage all messed up. So they was running. If they were doing a great job of running those choice routes. So he gets up the saver, gets up behind him, runs a little option, run the out route, the. The outside receiver run the end. So they were a good job of rubbing those dudes together that place. They already.
James 'Debo' Harrison
They lied. They wouldn't even win for that. Like, you caught, man, you all the way caught. Like, Detroit actually gets the ball, they come back out, they're. They're able to, you know, make some movement. I think it was second and long. Green Bay got that. That neutral zone, which, you know, helped him convert the third down. And then on that first down, golf hits Williams again for like 25. It was third and three. He took that short pass. He hit him with. Listen, that's another thing right here. Again, wrap up, bro. You coming in here to bump and slide. What is you doing?
Joe Hayden
He just came like, I just. Just trying to throw the shoulder, Debo. They think it's going to take him down. Dude, he's three yards in the backfield. Go put your face on that, man and wrap him up. And Williams is small.
James 'Debo' Harrison
All you had to do was go where he went and just wrap your hands on his Legs.
Joe Hayden
They wrap him up thousand percent. He spun up out of that joint, took it to the apartments.
James 'Debo' Harrison
What are you doing, dude? Instead of that. Yeah, he bounced up off that thing. He go, what is it? 25 to the crib. To the crib. It's 17 to 14 now. Like, if you had made that plate, like, I don't know what will happen. It really don't matter. Green Bay ends up kneeling out, they going to halftime. They're up 17, 14. That'd be the last points that you know them boys would score. But Detroit get back out there. I think they ended up converting one. First down, they get to the fourth down in three and they turn it over on downs. Hey, Dan, at some point, bro, you're gonna have to realize when you start getting towards that November December football, every fourth down ain't third down. And we just go, go for it. They don't go, they don't make it. That's three points that could have been on there now. We could have been sitting 17. 17 right now. That's the easy field goal for that kicker, bro.
Joe Hayden
Easy.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, easy. Instead of that, Green Bay gets the rock back, incompletion on first down. And then he hits Watson for 51 for the tutty. If you kick the field goal, bro, that's not a. Even if they go 51, it's not a touchdown. Like it's a whole different swing. You're talking about like from a. You know, like it's 21, 14. That's a huge point swing you get from going from nothing to getting them. They get seven points. It's like 10 point point, 10 point swings. Now you're down 21 to 14. Like bruh. They end up answering though. I think they scored like 10 more points after the 14. I think golf. Yeah, that's when golf went on here and used this like 20. Yeah, like, like 20 something, man. He went on here and did the thing like 24. Then the second down, Montgomery, he. He went for 13. First down, he went for another ran, man.
Joe Hayden
Smack over. Oh my gosh.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Listen, I. Listen, Montgomery train out there in Arizona where I trained at, bruh.
Joe Hayden
Hey, I love it.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Listen, we're deadlift almost £700 on track bar. Like he, he, he bought that work. He. That's what he living for. To be able to put that foot in the ground and go smack over somebody. Yeah, I think golf finished it with like a 17 yarder to what was the Isaac Tesla. Tesla. That's it to the test. 21twinket4. We're back into it.
Joe Hayden
Trying to get back into.
James 'Debo' Harrison
They trying to get back into it, brother. Second down. What was it? Melton? Look, 14. Then the first down, it was wicks for 30. 30 because no reroute.
Joe Hayden
He's running your scene.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Thank you.
Joe Hayden
He's running butt naked. Same Debo.
James 'Debo' Harrison
We both.
Joe Hayden
This is what I'm saying. When. That's why I love watching football. Because some of the stuff is not that hard. Some of this is like this.
James 'Debo' Harrison
They're like, yo, no, it's a horrible. He's running.
Joe Hayden
It'S routes on air. What do you expect? Yes. So yeah, good pass, but not good defense.
James 'Debo' Harrison
And then Jacobs gets six on the, on the. On the next play. I think the. The second down, they converted for the first. And then the next second down, they fumble recovery. But they get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they get it. And then third down, it's an incompletion. They got it good. But you get a face mask that helps them get a first down. Like Detroit, you can't be. You can't be. Can't be hitting yourself in the face and you having a hard time stopping them. And then second down. Love his wits.
Joe Hayden
Another one of them motions, man to man, switch routes quick. You know what I'm saying?
James 'Debo' Harrison
That's what you go get when you mad up like that. You go get that all day. They got, they got. They gotta learn.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, man, you gotta learn to play a little zone there or be able to run the in and out and make sure he gets the outside man. But they, they ran those routes very, very quick. And the thing about Detroit, they weren't backing up. They weren't like they were in the end zone, feet planted. As soon as he catches it, if it's one yard, he needs like they would tackle as soon as he got it right. But I'm like, dude, on the red on the goal line. They only need one yard, so that don't matter. Like you gotta make a play forward.
James 'Debo' Harrison
You got. You gota put. You got. You gota go ahead, take a chance and put your right now. Beat him up in them first five yards. You gotta beat him up. You only got a yard, they go down. What is it? 3121 Detroit. They get out there, I think Golf hits Williams again for like 15. The next play they try out pitch.
Joe Hayden
Flickerish thing, whatever that was, bruh.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Golf. I don't. I ain't. Dude, he dropped. How you. How you. How you drop the football? Almost lost it, almost lost it, lost it. Like. Yeah, like, got lucky Recovered it. Yeah.
Joe Hayden
You gotta do better there.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah. And then second down gives. And I'm gonna go ahead and say, y', all, he went from 14. The third down, he went for another 12. I think they converted one more first down after that, and then they get to fourth and three.
Joe Hayden
My good, man.
James 'Debo' Harrison
They go for it again. Golf shakes loose, gets out. He throws it to Williams.
Joe Hayden
You gotta catch that. We pro.
James 'Debo' Harrison
But he still could. He still. He still could have got it. No question. He still could have got it. He drops it. It's turnover on downs again. Another situation where I'm like, yo, just take the points. That's. That's the. You got six more now from where you're at now, like, it's a totally different game at 27, 31, like, take the points. I don't. You can't keep doing it. And he had that happen, dude, like, in the previous, you know, seasons where they were in the playoffs, and he was just going forward on forth, like, yo, take the points, bro. I understand you do it at certain times, but at some point, you got to be like, whoa, like, it's. It's a lot on the line. I can't come back from this next week. This go be it. And if you keep losing them like that, it's. You ain't gonna get to the. To the. To the. To the playoffs. Like, you can't. At some point, I think. I think he has to realize, okay, early in the season when I could come back from this, but now I'm leaving points out there that I could have.
Joe Hayden
In big games.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yes, in big games, dude. Like, it's not like you're. You know, you're. You're up, and you like, okay, I'm up. By. Even if I'm up, I'm not doing that, bro.
Joe Hayden
I gotta get. You gotta get some points. Points are hard to come from in this league, man. And then you. You already leaving some out there, so.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Especially when my defense ain't stopping them. Like, they not stopping him. He's all night. They. They. You seen that? They weren't doing that.
Joe Hayden
So turn them on downs for them. Packers get the ball back.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Packers get the ball back. Detroit ends up, I think, forcing a three and out with the help of a miss. PI. Like, dude had that arm. I don't even know how to ref. Miss that. Like, you calling catches and then you miss that. Like, listen. And they got all these cameras around everywhere. What happened to where I could review not call of a PI? Did they take that away or something? Because I ain't seen nobody do it. That's that, like you can see it right there. It's automatic. I don't know. Maybe they took that away. I. Who knows? I'm. I'm not. I don't. I don't know. I'm not. I'm not exactly how they're. Yeah, how they change that around Detroit gets out there and golf hits. What was dude's number? Dude's name? 18. What was the name? I think he. He went like for 18. He hit him for 18. And then he gets sacked by Parsons again. Okay. And third down, he sat in again.
Joe Hayden
Illegal contact.
James 'Debo' Harrison
They got an illegal touch. Lucky duck. So. So they. They ended up getting the first down and then second down, and then Williams takes it 44. 44. They convert. I think it was maybe one more first down after that. And then they get to another third and short. And here come Parsons again.
Joe Hayden
Parsons was balling, bro.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Parsons is balling out of control.
Joe Hayden
Interesting as both teams winning in the trade.
James 'Debo' Harrison
And now you want to take the field goal now. You want to take the field. You want to take the field goal now after you have seen your defense can't stop them. Okay, they haven't stopped them, but you want to take the field goal now and hope that with three minutes left, your defense is going to stop them and you score. The field goal is 31, 24. Green Bay gets the ball and runs out the last three minutes of the game because they converted on fourth down, two weeks for 18. I'm. I'm at a loss on that one. Like, Detroit got some issues. Don't get me wrong. Green Bay, they just, dude, they just made the plays when they counted, dude, they stayed ahead of the chains for most of the game. They rushed the ball well enough, I think Jacobs was 17 for 83. Milton only was like 2 for 15, and Love was 18 for 235. 234. But it was four touchdowns and big plays, big yardage, big chunks. Wicks was 6 for 94 with two touchdowns. Watson was on 4 for 80, but he had the huge 51 yard touchdown, bro. Like, Detroit, like, they, they, they got to, got to, got to, got to realize starting late November like that, that, that, that's playoff football, dude. Like every. Every fourth down, you don't go for it. You got to do it situationally and kick some field goals, man. I mean, golf didn't play bad. He started off over what, three? But he ended up 20 or 26 for two. What, 256, like 132. Passer ratings, that's. Oh, and like when you look at it, they didn't even do bad as a total for rushing. Like, they had 30 rushes for about 119 yards. Green Bay only had 30 rushes for 125 yards. But the situational things, they were able to get more big plays and their defense got off the field where Detroit didn't. Yeah, and they didn't. They converted on the fourth downs. Although both those fourth downs I think shouldn't have been.
Joe Hayden
Shouldn't have been called.
James 'Debo' Harrison
No. Should they? It definitely shouldn't have been made the, the second one for sure. Okay. If he. On the first one, maybe he had it, maybe he didn't. You can say, okay, well, he had control. No, he knocked it to his other hand. He didn't swap that over, dude. He knocked it to his other hand. Although it may have looked like to you, oh, he was swapping it. No, no, but the second one, the false start, that was a false start, bro. Yes, it's. You can see it on the timing. Like at some point y' all doing all this replay this virtual this, all this other stuff. Like, let's, let's use this to, to, to correct it. You got. You want to do all the slow mo. When the defensive player hits somebody, y' all want to slow it down 50 billion shots per second and be like, oh, he throwing in the chin strap.
Joe Hayden
A little bit, right?
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, his helmet did touch his chin strap. You see like it covers the white there, man.
Joe Hayden
Y' all seen that, man. Lose control to the others, bruh. You know they like points. Tell me they like points, Debo.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Dude. Yeah, it's. It's wild. They, they got, they got to fix some stuff over there, bro. But the Cowboys, they ended up beating the Chiefs 31 to 28. I ain't gonna really go through this. This is what it.
Joe Hayden
Tell me how you feel about that one.
James 'Debo' Harrison
This is what it comes down to me, for me is that the chief defense sales, even though they are a good defense, bruh, they sell situationally. They sell big play wise. Like they're a 8th ranked defense, but they're 23rd per play. Like every play that you get against them, they're 23rd per play. So their 18th rush, their 25th per pass, which means if you have them out there enough time, you're going to be able to win on them situationally. Their third down percentage, I think they're tied for 28, which me, to me, that's 29. So the offense is not putting up hella points anymore. They're not able to get large sums of controlling the time of possession, which means their defense is now out there and you add in, you know, penalties and all that and again, got to the end of the game, the defense couldn't stop them. Situationally, they can't make the plays when it counts and it's not that old high flying, go get 40 points. Can't see the office anymore.
Joe Hayden
I'm with you, Debo. I mean, I, I, I love the Chiefs. I think the defense has to play probably a little bit better and at the same time, their offense is still not that high flying. Chiefs offense to where you know, every time they're going to be scoring up in the 30s. I think this one too was a little bit more for me, Debo.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Dallas like, oh yeah, don't get me wrong, Dallas played well.
Joe Hayden
Dak Prescott, not just trying to like, but like, when I'm looking at quarterbacks now, I would wish, you know what I'm saying? Just looking for, as a Steelers fan, as the Browns fan, having a quarterback that's really just going back there throwing for 300, you know what I'm saying? He had a pick early because he got hit when he threw it, but just being able to throw for 300 yards like it's nothing, you know what I'm saying? Standing up in the pocket, realizing you do have George Pickens, you do have CD Lamb, you know what I'm saying? And then X's and O's versus Jimmy's and the Joes. My Jimmies and Joes are better than your Jimmy's and Joe's gonna play man to man. I'm gonna throw it to George Pickens on, on Watson. Watson wanted no part of him. I love Watson. But then Nick, you got two men inside leverage and he gets across your face for the slant and not only across your face, then you flagging them, holding him and all that. So I'm like, just for me, their defense is solid, but it was more Dallas offensive side of the ball and then on defense, side of the ball, just being able to try to stop the run, just being able to like they still score 28 points, but like they have some players, Hollywood Brown Rice, you know, Patrick Mahomes, still creating and still doing what he does. I was really excited to watch Dallas though, because I'm like, they actually look like a good team, you know what I'm saying? The defense wasn't just out there giving up everything.
James 'Debo' Harrison
They was moving, they was, they're looking better. The defense is able to hold.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, you know, you got on the offensive side, you got that man, that's going to be. You got George Pickens and cd. At the end of the day, they looking sweet. Running game was still, you still using it. But then you got Dak just back there looking like he's running stuff. So I was, I like the way Dallas looked, I like the way Dak looked. I like the way that he goes to those receivers, shout out to CD for stepping up, not dropping, dropping passes. If they have those one on one matchups with them versus these receivers, they it just gonna be, it's gonna be a tough day. So I, I, I like, I like what Cowboys work for.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Sure. For sure. Joe, you know what time?
Joe Hayden
Sir, yes, sir.
James 'Debo' Harrison
It's time to play. Play or fade. Presented by power. Presented by. Okay, look here, it's prize picks. I got my braces. Okay. All right, Joe, here's how it works. I made a lineup of picks for tonight's Black Friday game. Okay? You either play my lineup or you faded and you tell me why. Okay? So this is what I'm going with. Caleb, he gonna throw a pick, and Jalen go throw a pick. This is why I say Caleb go throw a pick is because he is inconsistent and Philly is not go not catch something like the other team that played him last week did. I'm not gonna say their name.
Joe Hayden
Okay?
James 'Debo' Harrison
Okay. All right. And Jalen, they're gonna have him throwing the ball and I believe Philly will win, but they're going to have to run the ball. So that's why I have him for less on the 211 passing and I have Saquon for more on the 77 rushing because I believe they're going to win and he's going to have to pass. But at some point, who is number one in interception ratio?
Joe Hayden
Is it Caleb?
James 'Debo' Harrison
No, I'm talking about per class attempt. Chicago.
Joe Hayden
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Okay. So that's why I have both of them.
Joe Hayden
Okay.
James 'Debo' Harrison
And I have Hertz on the total. I have him less and I have Seyquan more. What do you think?
Joe Hayden
I think from last week when I'm out here playing, I think Caleb probably gonna throw a pick. I think. Okay, Jalen hurts.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Why you think Caleb go throw a pick?
Joe Hayden
Because he gonna have to. I think he gonna throw the ball a lot because they gonna just try to trying to get some points, trying to figure out a way to win. I think he's gonna throw a pick. I think my man. What's my man name?
James 'Debo' Harrison
Mitchell.
Joe Hayden
The corner for the Eagles. Yes. Young boy. Mitchell. Cold blooded. I'm actually gonna tell you who's gonna get the pick. Gonna get the pick.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Okay.
Joe Hayden
Okay.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Hurts. Okay.
Joe Hayden
He might be trying to force feed to Jaylen Brown because, I mean A.J. brown because, you know, he's been trying to get the rock a lot. So he might force feed him, might get tipped in the air, probably might throw a pick. Okay, Two picks there. I'm with you. We all together. Jalen hurts under 211. Yeah, right around. Right around 200 is what I was looking at, you know what I'm saying? Because I like Devontae Smith. He's gonna steal. He's gonna probably get off. He's gonna get A.J. brown a couple of passes, nothing crazy. He don't really throw for over 211 anyway, so right around 190. Good. Saquon. He has not been performing the way he knows he can perform. He's gonna want to go get a hundo. He wants a hundo for show. So I'm playing this. I'm playing. I'm playing all.
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Joe Hayden
Love it, Debo. But that was a good picture.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Hey, look here, man. This is what we go do, Joe. Go be here on Sunday to go and play and watch the Steelers play and be. Yep. And beat the Buffalo Bills, buddy. Okay? That's what we do. That's what we're going to do. That's what Joe said. I am saying. I don't know if that's going to happen.
Joe Hayden
All right, look, I got. I got it. We got a. We got a super chat.
James 'Debo' Harrison
We got a super chat.
Joe Hayden
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James 'Debo' Harrison
Who they talking to?
Joe Hayden
You Debo.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Troy Palomal. Y' all asking stupid.
Joe Hayden
Not a question.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Hey, stop playing. That's Baby Jesus.
Joe Hayden
Hey, bro. That man.
James 'Debo' Harrison
You asking stupid questions, man.
Joe Hayden
Troy.
James 'Debo' Harrison
Yeah, all day. All day, man. We want to thank y' all for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Hey, tomorrow, giving away two of two to the winners. Be ready Be on the lookout. Yes, sir.
Joe Hayden
Hey, man, appreciate you guys. Man. Make sure y' all check on the lookout to see you gonna win these tickets to come rock with me and Debo at the game because it's going to be a blast. All right. Thank you guys for showing up. Make sure you like and subscribe. We will see you on Monday.
James 'Debo' Harrison
And we out. How you doing today, Joe?
Joe Hayden
Let me tell you something, Debo. Debo is my.
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Host: James "Deebo" Harrison
Co-Host: Joe Haden
Released: November 28, 2025
This episode delivers a lively, in-depth breakdown of the NFL Thanksgiving slate, with Deebo and Joe diving into the Cincinnati Bengals’ big win over the Ravens, the surprising Green Bay Packers beating up on the Detroit Lions, and a showdown between the Cowboys and Chiefs. The hosts blend X’s and O’s analysis with candid takes, storytelling, and some inside-the-locker-room humor as they reflect on classic football moments, coaching, defensive schemes, and player performances.
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