Deebo & Joe - Browns bench Joe Flacco, Dillon Gabriel disses Sheduer? + 49ers beat Rams

Summary

Club Shay Shay — "Deebo & Joe": Detailed Episode Summary

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison, Joe Haden
Date: October 3, 2025
Episode theme: An NFL-centric recap and analysis featuring candid takes on the 49ers’ overtime win over the Rams, Browns’ quarterback shake-up, impressions of young QBs like Shaduer Sanders and Dillon Gabriel, NFL culture topics, and personal insights on league life.

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Episode Overview

This episode, hosted live from London by Joe Haden (with James "Deebo" Harrison stateside), digs deep into NFL Week 4 storylines. The duo breaks down the dramatic 49ers-Rams game, discusses a brewing Browns quarterback controversy, analyzes social media-driven beef among rookie QBs, tackles league dress-code fines, new kicking-ball rules, and shares vivid personal stories about concussions and locker room culture. They maintain their signature mix of humor, authenticity, and insider perspective throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breaking Down the 49ers-Rams Overtime Thriller (00:52–06:49)

• Game Flow Recap:
  • 49ers open with a scoring drive, overcome penalties, and capitalize on LA mistakes.
  • Rams rally, block an extra point, force overtime, but ultimately fall short.
• Key moment: LA goes for it on 4th-and-1 in OT, fails—game over.
• Coaching philosophy: Both hosts defend the aggressive call, appreciating a "play to win" mentality.
  • Joe Haden: "I like the coach trying to win the game...We need one yard. Can we get a yard to win the game?" (05:24)
  • Deebo: "A tie feels like a loss to me, dude." (06:49)

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2. 49ers’ Quarterback Situation and Roster Injuries (06:49–10:48)

• Brock Purdy vs. Mac Jones:
  • Joe prefers Purdy but says injuries are exposing his limits.
  • Deebo raises the idea of Jones potentially excelling with the 49ers’ weapons, hinting at a quiet QB controversy.
• On system QBs:
  • Joe: "He's not going to elevate your whole team. He's going to be a piece...once everybody's there, I'm not going to f*** it up." (08:00)
  • Deebo: "Do we really need to get a $200 million quarterback? Or can we work with what we have?" (09:52)

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3. Browns Quarterback Chaos: Flacco Benched, Rookie Quandary (10:48–17:24)

• QB musical chairs: Flacco benched, Dylan Gabriel and Shaduer Sanders in the mix.
• Media drama: The guys debunk the notion that rookie Dylan Gabriel subtly dissed Shaduer Sanders, dismissing it as a media reach and cloud-chasing (10:48–14:56).
  • Quote (Deebo): "They reaching. They...looking for something they could write and read about." (11:55)
• Shaduer in the spotlight: Sympathy for how the media badgers Sanders despite limited control.
  • Joe: "He just wants to go out and perform. There's nothing he can do...he's the backup quarterback. So why you keep putting the camera in my face?" (14:17)

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4. Flacco’s Lack of Foresight & Young QB Evaluation (15:14–17:24)

• Statline roast: Deebo and Joe clown Flacco for being surprised by his benching, given his performance.
  • Deebo: "You got what, six picks, one touchdown in four games?" (15:14)
  • Joe: "Writing was on the wall." (15:54)
• Veteran logic: It's clear to the hosts that teams draft insurance, and Flacco was only keeping the seat warm.

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5. NFL Fines and Dress Code: More Than Skin Deep (17:24–22:32)

• Deshaun Elliott’s Fine: He rants on social about being fined for a minor uniform infraction.

  • Deebo responds as future NFLPA leader: “Don’t bring this to my table...You knew what you was doing, Debo.” (18:42)
  • Joe recounts frequent fines for sock/visor infractions, framing it as part of the pro image.

• Dress code rationale:

  • “There’s rules...make everybody look like we’re professional football teams.” (Joe, 19:57)

• Humor on fines: Both admit to sometimes risking fines for style or comfort, but don’t sympathize with those who complain.

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6. C.J. Stroud’s “Getting Old” Comments: Age, Diet, and Athlete Mindset (22:57–30:13)

• Stroud’s comments: At just 23, Stroud says he feels less explosive, blames diet, and compares himself to high school days.
  • Joe: “That’s an unathletic answer. At 23 you supposed to be in your prime...Like, you getting into your grown man strength.” (23:47)
  • Deebo: “At 23 bro, I could go three days, no sleep, party til the wheels fell off, still be at the gym by 6, 7.” (24:52)
• Mindset critique: They stress that QB longevity depends less on speed than intelligence and discipline.
• Long tail: Raised concern about Stroud’s self-talk, and implications for his franchise future.

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7. A.J. Brown & Eagles Trade Rumors: Stats vs. Team Success (31:27–39:49)

• A.J. Brown's dissatisfaction: Amid trade rumors and cryptic tweeting, discussion centers on balancing personal stats and team winning.
  • Joe: “Numbers are the reason why you get paid at receiver…when you get to that table, those dudes gonna be looking at it like this: oh, yo ass only had 600 yards…” (32:15)
  • Deebo: “You’re 4-0...to be coming out...with cryptic tweets after you’re 4-0, I understand, but I don’t understand." (34:13)
• Money or rings hypothetical:
  • Both debate whether they’d pick stats/money or Super Bowls; Deebo (who’s won) values rings, Joe says, “I’m a double my bag.” (38:17)

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8. Tua’s Carbs, Hydration & Concussion Prevention (40:43–44:02)

• Tua Tagovailoa says carbs and fluids are concussion prevention tools.
• Deebo emphasizes: "Neck strength...is one of the mitigating factors for concussion. The stronger your neck is, the less likely you are to get a concussion." (41:37)
• Both agree: Diet and hydration are individual, but old-school neck training is still key.

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9. Storytime: Real-Life Concussion Experiences (43:46–48:35)

• Both hosts share vivid concussion anecdotes:
  • Deebo: Recalls blackouts, gaps in memory, realization of risk and self-advocacy.
  • Joe: Remembers being "out" and the fog/confusion returning to the sideline.
• Humor out of trauma: They laugh off the memory gaps (“I’m still concussed from that joint, bro!” — Joe, 48:16) but acknowledge the seriousness for young players.

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10. Kicking Ball Rules and the New Age of Long Field Goals (48:35–54:29)

• Rule change: Kickers now can "massage" (break in) game balls like QBs can—not just use slick new ones.
• Impact: More long FGs, increased accuracy, broader field-goal range.
  • Deebo: “Trying to catch a brand new ball out the box...you’re not going to catch one...without gloves on. It’s no way.” (50:02)
• Both hosts appreciate: While this helps scoring, it doesn’t make kicking easy—skill still comes first.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Context | |-----------|------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | 05:24 | Joe Haden | "I like the coach trying to win the game...not mad at him." | | 06:49 | Deebo | "A tie feels like a loss to me, dude." | | 11:55 | Deebo | "They reaching. They...looking for something to write and read about." | | 14:17 | Joe Haden | "He just wants to go out and perform...why you keep putting the camera in my face?" | | 18:42 | Deebo | "Don't bring this to my table...You knew what you was doing, Debo." | | 23:47 | Joe Haden | "That's an unathletic answer. At 23, you're supposed to be in your prime..." | | 24:52 | Deebo | "At 23...I could go three days no sleep...still be at the gym by 6, 7…"| | 34:13 | Deebo | "You’re 4-0...to be coming out with cryptic tweets after you’re 4-0…" | | 38:17 | Joe Haden | "I ain't never had one. So I'm a double my bag." | | 41:37 | Deebo | "Neck strength...is one of the mitigating factors for concussion." | | 48:16 | Joe Haden | "I'm still concussed from that joint, bro!" | | 50:02 | Deebo | "Trying to catch a brand new ball out the box...it's no way." |

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Listener Q&A and Closing Banter (56:29–end)

• Shout out to Heath Miller and "Blitzburg" fans.
• Joe and Deebo wrap up with a playful Browns-Vikings rivalry, trash-talking the upcoming London matchup—“We came out here to whoop ass and take names.” (57:56)
• End on reminders to subscribe and catch the next episode.

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Tone & Style

The episode maintains the unfiltered, humorous, and genuinely fraternal tone of two ex-players:

• Language: Casual, often explicit, locker-room authenticity.
• Approach: Relentlessly honest, willing to challenge peers, poke fun at themselves, and offer advice to younger players.
• Audience: NFL fans craving deeper, player-driven perspectives and storytelling that mainstream shows don't offer.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode delivers not just highlights but perspectives you won’t find in highlight reels: the logic behind aggressive coaching, the grind and politics behind NFL positions, candid takes on the QB carousel, how rules and perception shape the sport—and real talk on life after big hits. Deebo and Joe’s playful banter and hard-earned wisdom guarantee entertainment and insight for both casual and die-hard fans.

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Missed the game? Missed the drama? Here’s all you need to know—no filter, all football.

Transcript

[Joe Hayden]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[James Debo Harrison]

Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. Joe, how you doing over there in London with all that Browns gear on?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm doing great. Cleveland Browns London takeover is happening right now. Yesterday we went out on a boat, met with like 250 fans, me and my man Josh Cribbs out here with me having a blast in Oklahoma State for sure. He told us he'd be watching it, he be tapped into the podcast. So, you know, he definitely showed love.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Yeah, that's my guy. You know, that was our quarterback my senior year. He was our. He was our. He was our starting quarterback. So, yes. Yeah, I got, I got to. Got to have a hot little year with him. Like a little, like a little Vic over there. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Man, cribs is so good, bro. You know, he from D.C. we from the same area. So he was the man back at the crib. Then he went to Kent, then I was able to play with him in Cleveland. So.

[James Debo Harrison]

Fire. Oh, yeah. 100%, man. Let's get this started, brother. So the Rams went on ahead and I would say lost it in overtime or however you want to do it, but the 49ers ended up beating the Rams. And you know, the first quarter, it kind of started off like smooth for San Fran. Dude, they went down the field, they scored a touchdown. They scored a touchdown on the first drive and they had like two penalties, bro. It was a false start and a. And a holding and they still were able to go down there and, and get a touch. And then, you know, LA gets the rock the next possession and they sack him. They put him behind the chains pre. You know, and then the preceding possession, they got two fourth downs. They. They converted to San Francisco. Converted two fourth downs, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

And, oh, they also had a rough in the penalty that helped them get an extra 15, but it's 14 nothing now. LA then comes out and they actually are driving the ball and fumble. San Francisco recover it. But they got lucky there that, you know, San Fran didn't make nothing of it. And they got the ball back, I believe, with no, we still in there. So Iggy, they went on ahead and I think they scored a touchdown. And next drive they ended up, I believe, taking advantage of a rookie out there. I think. What was his name? I think his number was 20 or something they, they kind of, they kind of used him on that drive, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

They was going smack at him.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, they was going, I think Devonte, he got a couple penalties and, and all that, but they ended up scoring that first touchdown. So it was, I think it was 7 to 14 by the end. And right before the half, San Fran was able to get, get a field goal. Ended up halftime, 17, seven.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. So once they came back out, you know, LA goes to driving again. They're doing pretty good. But the field goal kicker, he misses the field goal, dude, like so San Fran gets the ball back. That next possession they, they get a field goal that's 20 to 7. I'm thinking maybe it might be a little less competition than I thought. And then the boy Stafford comes alive, dude. He get Puka involved. They score on back to back possessions, but the extra point on the second touchdown is blocked, bruh. 20 to 20, tie going in. I'm like, okay, we got action bro. It is. Yes. We got a good game here. I don't really care who win, you know what I'm saying? I just want to see.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, you just want to see good football.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, that friend. Go ahead down there. And they score a field goal. But they gave Stafford like three minutes. That's way too, way too much. Just under three minutes, dude. That's way too much time, bro. And LA is driving down there and they get to like two Bruh dude fumbles the rock, San Fran recovers. I'm thinking game over with turnovers. Yeah, yeah, like it's done. Like everything is, is going to be over with from here.

[Joe Hayden]

And.

[James Debo Harrison]

LA gets the ball back with like 40 something seconds left, dude. And they end up getting a field goal. To regulation. Yeah, to end regulation. It's tied up again. They, they jump into overtime. San Fran kicks the field. Golden overtime. They're able to do that, but you know they got the two possession thing going on right now where you get a chance.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

And then LA goes for it on fourth down, bruh. And fourth and one do not get it. And then you know, it's over with. That's the end of the day. That's the end of overtime. Game over with. What do you think? You think they should have went for it on fourth down? What do you think of the call of LA going forward on fourth down and overtime?

[Joe Hayden]

I like the coach trying to win the game, you know what I'm saying? Like end of the day it's 4th and 1. We need 1 yard. Can we Get a yard to win the game, you know what I'm saying? And just go out here and not do no ties. Like, I appreciate him playing the win and not playing the tie or playing to lose. I think he shows his players like, man, I believe. Let's get this fourth and one. Let's go down here and score and walk out of the stadium. We with a dub, you know what I'm saying? So you could look at it both ways, man. Kick the field goal, tie it up, see what you going to do. But at the end of the day, I like the coach that's going to believe in my squad. We got one yard. Let's get this fourth and one. Let's finagle and get his touchdown and walk out of the stadium with a dub, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not mad at him. It's. You look crazy when you don't get it. Your lineman look crazy, like you're running back. Everybody you got smacked, they stopped for four for one. So you feel like it. Like, you feel like it's the wrong decision. But if they would have made that, then everybody would be looking like, oh, yeah, there we go. Believe me, like, we can make these decisions. Our coach believes in us. Right now they look silly, but hindsight.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't think they look silly because for me, you had an extra point that was blocked, missed a field goal, and we're in overtime. It could be maybe a block, a miss. You know what? It's only a yard. We can get a yard. Like, totally agree with it. Would have did the same thing. Because looking at the tie, a tie feels like a loss to me, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't like, man, you want you all that for nothing.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, yeah, yeah, tie. It just, it just feels, it. It feels too much like a loss to me, bro. I, I can't, I can't work with that. And, you know, even with San Fran still won, I mean, they ended up losing a couple players that, that were hurt that ended up getting hurt and not having everyone there that was already, you know, hurt and not able to play. Do you think that Mac Jones is better than pie or do you think that he, he is comparative? Do you think we have a quarterback? Maybe issue. Not issue, but we, we have a, A quarterback competition. Like, you just, I understand you just paid this man a bunch of money, but it looks like to me, just from, you know, looking at the, you know, the eye test, I need a quarterback that could come in there, make plays, not turn the ball over. Because all My other pieces can help him win as long as he's able to, you know, contribute and not do anything to hurt us.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I feel, I think I, I like, I like Brock Purdy more than I do like Mac Jones. I just think that it kind of sucks when he doesn't have all his weapons, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's a lot of injuries over there in San Fran and I think that that's not really. That that's not helping him. I think when he had all of his. When he first came in there, he had everybody, he had his whole arsenal. He had his tight end, he had Kittle, he had the running back there healthy. So it was able to kind of get the ball around a lot more. And I think now with him not having as many resources, it's kind of making him look not obviously not as good because you don't have the talent around him. But I don't think he's like a. He's just a do it all quarterback. He's not going to make, he's not going to elevate your whole team. He's going to be a piece that's going to be able to keep it consistent and be able to make sure once everybody's there, I'm not going to fuck it up.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but you got Mack out here with none of that. And no, I didn't expect them to win this game. I'm not going to lie to you. I just thought that, you know, with the defensive line of la, that, you.

[Joe Hayden]

Know, it was going to be much. No, we talking about Mac Jones, the quarterback for the goddamn Patriots.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, he's never.

[Joe Hayden]

Stafford.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, he's not. No, he's not, bro. He's the backup quarterback now for, for, for LA. I mean, for the 49ers. Sorry.

[Joe Hayden]

Damn. See, I'm stupid.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. That's what I'm saying. He went out there and did all that.

[Joe Hayden]

Mac backing up Purdy. Yeah, same friend. So you think he should get a chance to get out there?

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't saying he should get a chance to get out there. I'm just saying right now I got, you know, I got a pistol sitting in my pocket right now and I don't see what it could do without all the weapons. And I don't see what my other guy does with all the weapons. What do it look like if I get an opportunity to give him all the weapons? I understand, like he didn't do well in, in New England. But you got a different.

[Joe Hayden]

He had nobody in New England.

[James Debo Harrison]

He got somebody calling the right place that's, I guess, obviously fitting, you know, what he can do at that position. I mean, he got a whole, you know, he got. He got a. He got cc, cmc. Like, what are you talking about? That's. That's two players right there. That's running back and a receiver. So with that combination, do we really need. Do we really need to go out here and get a, you know, 150, $200 million quarterback? Do we. Or. Or can we. Can we work with, you know, what. What we have right here in Mac?

[Joe Hayden]

No, I mean, I ain't gonna lie to you. That makes complete sense because Mack did he. Mac. Mack didn't look crazy out there in New England. Didn't have the. Nowhere near the. I think the. The offensive skill talent that. That san. So if you give him the chance to be able to be back there with some dogs, I think he might look like. You see, he might look real good.

[James Debo Harrison]

Looking good right now. Or is it. Or is it the play calling? I don't know. I mean, it's a combination of all that, too. But, I mean, he looking good. We might have a little bit of quarter controversy, you know what I'm saying? I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

Speaking of quarterback controversy, they say Dylan Gabriel. Yeah, obviously for the Browns. So they said he was throwing a sublingual type, you know, hit at Shador. I think we got the sound bite right here. Listen to it. Here you go. I smile because it's like a moment you prep for and you are extremely excited for, but also got to realize that it's extreme focus, and that's what I've continued to harp on. But you wait for the perfect time, you know, you're going to wait a whole lifetime. So for me, I'm just. I've always been ready for every moment. So do you think that is throwing some shade at Shador, not going and taking that opportunity to maybe go to Baltimore and, you know, hindsight, 50. 50, knowing the future, he would be starting right now. Do you think that's what it is? That's what they're trying to say?

[Joe Hayden]

I didn't get that off that. Did you get that off that, Debo?

[James Debo Harrison]

No, I got. I got. I. I got none of that off that, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

I got none of that off that. So.

[James Debo Harrison]

I feel like people out here, yeah, they reaching. They. They reach cloud chasing. They looking for something that they could write and read about. I don't Know, I don't understand how that even, you know, flipped over to that. Now you see why Shador went and did a mime interview. Because if you don't say nothing, they can't twist nothing.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Everybody is so fucking messy when it comes to this, because it's Dylan Gabriel and it's Shador. You can't say nothing. Dylan didn't say nothing. I felt like that was attacking Shador. And if Shador says anything, they're going to crucify the man. So he tries not to. Then he's going to. Then he's going to mime you. So, like, I feel him. You can't win for losing. You know what I'm saying? And I don't think Dillon said anything going at Shador in that sound bite. He's just trying to. He's trying to avoid controversy. He's saying, I'm just waiting for my opportunity, you know, da, da, da, da. Like, what can the kids say? You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't think that they're trying to switch up stuff and put them into, like, real. This is a quarterback battle, obviously.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, man. They trying to say that, you know, they trying to say a little bit of everything. You know, Shador had a famous song in 24. It was called Perfect Timing. Know what I'm saying? So they trying to. They trying to connect everything to something.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, dude, just make them bust out my ap. Perfect timing, right?

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, come on, man. Like, don't. You can't say nothing. Like, it's. Listen, I don't believe he's going that deep into death to be able to. Soon as something comes up, you know, a perfect time and. Come on.

[Joe Hayden]

No, man. That dude is trying to. I think he's trying. He's trying to get ready, Dylan. And I'm rooting for Dillon. I'm rooting for Dylan Gabriel. It's not his bad that he was drafted third round. It's not his bad that he's in the position that he's in. And every time I've seen him in the preseason, he hasn't looked bad. He's looked like he knew a little something. Like, he's throwing the ball. I loved it. I love the snap. He gets the ball out fast, so I'm rooting for him. I want him to be out there and be successful. But it's just. When you have Shador on your team, everybody, anything the kid does, they maximize it. He tries to chill. He's been trying to. You know what I'm saying? Work, get it done. And now him not even being the backup quarterback, that's kind of. He's just. If I was Shador, I feel some type of way because I know I'm a baller. I know what I got, and I just have to keep it humble. I'm keeping it chill. I'm trying to be as professional as possible, but as soon as I say something, now I can't say anything. So I feel for him. I know he's just trying to wait for his opportunity. And then it just another slap in the face to win. It's like, now you're not even going to be the backup to him. So Flacco is backing up Dylan Gabriel. So I just feel. I feel bad for Shador. Cause I know he wants to play. He knows the skill set that he has, and he just wants to be able to go out and perform. There's nothing he can do, Nothing he could talk about. He's the backup quarterback. So why you keep putting the camera in my face? Don't ask me no questions, nigga. Like, what you want me to say?

[James Debo Harrison]

They clout chasing. They need something to talk about, dude. They. They need that. You know, I don't understand why all these reporters is doing, especially a lot of them being like, you're in Cleveland. Like, I don't. I don't. Yeah, I don't. I don't understand or clout for Chase.

[Joe Hayden]

It's going to get caught up somewhere.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Joe said on the bench and he said, I don't think I foresaw it. What? What do you mean that he don't think he foresaw it? I don't. I don't understand that. Like, what didn't you foresee, Joe? You got what, six picks, one touchdown in four games? They drafted two quarterbacks just in case they got like a. What was it, a third and a fifth. And like, what didn't you foresee? Like it was some point in time that if things weren't going well, which they aren't, like you. You don't throw. You done through mo picks. 6 times more picks than touch. Like, that's crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

The writing was on the wall.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. What didn't you. I mean, unless your vision don't went bad too. Joe. I love that one.

[Joe Hayden]

You couldn't foresee. You couldn't see the.

[James Debo Harrison]

That would have been in the back of my head. Like, this boy in here. I guess it might be, man.

[Joe Hayden]

I think it might be my time. That man getting a little bit. He got some first team reps. Hold up now.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know what I'm saying? Oh, man, I don't know how you didn't foresee that one, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

Nah, Flaco, he's wilding. I think he.

[James Debo Harrison]

He.

[Joe Hayden]

He. I don't know. I don't know why he did. I think he lied. But you had the opportunity. I think he lied. They drafted two quarterbacks, and you've been playing bad, and you've been in the league for 17, 18 years. You know what. How this. How this go?

[James Debo Harrison]

Right?

[Joe Hayden]

You are right there. You are holding down the fort until you not and you wasn't. So they gonna be in the young.

[James Debo Harrison]

Bulls like baby you were. You. Like you said you wasn't holding on the fort like. They got two young boys in there. They got you there. Just. Yeah, you go ahead, try and show them something. We could. If we could win with you, we do it. We know. You know, maybe they ain't ready. We don't want to throw them into the fire yet. But now you know what? It done got hot. You know, we might mess around, lose our job. So we got to go ahead and see what we could do with what we went out here and drafted. See if it could give us some hope for, you know, the next. For the rest of the season. Rather you saying thousand percent.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

So my guy, Deshaun Elliott, he over here, he had a profane rant. I guess he's posted his. He got a fine. He told him, count your days. Y' all worried about the wrong thing. We gotta. We got a picture of that. Let's fix the things that actually mean something.

[Joe Hayden]

Dk. Fined by the team or by the league?

[James Debo Harrison]

He got fined by the league and he tagged the NFL and NFL. Now he's upset that he got fined for wearing a. I believe it was a black tie. What do you. What do you think about this, man?

[Joe Hayden]

You know how that is.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, man, he said y' all worried about the wrong thing. Let's fix the things that actually mean something.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, some of the is it's cold. It's dress code, like socks. I would get fine all the time for my socks. If your knees being exposed. You know what I'm saying? Your. And then in Cleveland, sometimes your cleats had to be.

[James Debo Harrison]

Look here. Look here, Joe. Let me. Let me tell you, Joe, this is where I'm at with it. He tagged the NFL and nflpa. Nflpa executive director. That's gonna be me. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm the person that you.

[Joe Hayden]

You.

[James Debo Harrison]

You would be talking to now.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Here is what it Is, hey, Ellie, don't you come at me with this, you know? Well, you can't be wearing a different color towel and all that other stuff. They go through the whole dress code. So if you want to do something out there, just like Joe said, you go get a fine for showing your knees. You go get a fine for not wearing your socks how you're supposed to wear them. You're working for the NFL and the Steelers. You know that was coming. So don't bring this to my table when I'm NFLPA executive director, okay? You knew what you was doing, Debo.

[Joe Hayden]

That's exactly right. Because when I go out that joint, they telling me, your knees is out, Joe. You're gonna get fined for that. They make sure when you come back in the locker room, they let you know what's good, what's not, and you gotta march.

[James Debo Harrison]

And if they don't catch it, don't mean they ain't gonna catch it later on during the rest of the thing and find you on Wednesday or Monday or Tuesday, whatever it is, you know. You know what you're doing wrong.

[Joe Hayden]

That is. It is.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know what it look like, bro? I know my socks a little. What you think? Hit me up. Yeah, I know it ain't right. But you know what? I'm gonna take whatever that fine is because it's worth it for me to look like this. Nah, I ain't taking the fine. I'll be uniformed out. I'll be head to toe, a to Z, 1, 2, 3.

[Joe Hayden]

And you won't. And you won't get fined for that, though. So, like, at the end of the day, there's ways you can put your gear on, right? Color and still look as sweet as you want to, still look as fresh as you want to. But there is rules to make us look uniform, to make everybody look like we're professional football teams out there. That's why, like, college football, having a jersey all rolled up in their stomach, stomachs out. You know what I'm saying? No, no knee pads. Basically just thigh pads out there. You know what I'm saying? Like, they look like they're playing in the backyard sometimes. You know what I'm saying? Some of the players, I'm like, dude, you don't look cool. You look bad. But your jersey, like. Like, that doesn't look cool. You look kind of weird. So I think that there's a reason why you have to have certain things in the league. And you may think it's like, oh, man, that's petty. But that's why professional. Everybody looks like it looks like the NFL out there. Because we have to be chick dress code.

[James Debo Harrison]

Exactly.

[Joe Hayden]

Dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

You working for somebody else, man. You working in.

[Joe Hayden]

They.

[James Debo Harrison]

And they come. They got a dress.

[Joe Hayden]

I was taking that fine. So when sometimes if you want to be cool and wear something different, just know, take it on the head. I did it because I was trying to be sweet. My name is.

[James Debo Harrison]

And everybody has. Every team has a guy that marks everything down. If you want to go up to him and be like, yo, am I good with this? Am I good with that? When you know you got something bad on, he's gonna let you know. He gonna tell you, like, you go take. You took a chance, man. You took a chance, you got caught and now you upset. I don't know why. I don't understand it. Because you knew what the penalty would be like. That's. That's there. I was never one that was like, you know what, man, I gotta take this, you know, ten, fifteen thousand dollar fine look good. I gotta make sure I got. No.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I was taking to find something. I'm gonna lie sometimes. I was doing the socks a little bit. They was giving me my socks. I'm like, I don't need my knees covered. I don't feel as fast. I'm sorry. So sometimes I'm like this, man, y', all, y', all, I'm out of here. My knees out. So. And I knew I was going to get that fine. I was gonna get hit right with the visors. You know, you can't wear dark visors unless you have the script.

[James Debo Harrison]

You got a script? Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

They'd be telling Joe, I wear it for pregame. You gotta take that out, Joe.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right? How many guys wearing advice for pregame and come back out? So a lot of the times the dude may not even say nothing to you because he's like, oh, this is your pre gram. Look, you gonna come back out and you gonna be in the right attire. So they don't want to sit there marking down 65 things when the dudes come back out. It's all gone. Like. Yep. It don't. It don't. Yeah, you. You're not, you're not getting no.

[Joe Hayden]

On this one.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. You're not getting no support over here for this, man. That's. That's just. That's just not how it might be. These young players, man, like, it don't. It don't make no sense. He's talking about. They worried about the wrong thing. I think you might be worried about the wrong thing. He said, he said he lost his athleticism at 23. Listen, listen to what he said, man.

[C.J. Stroud]

23. I'm not like fully in my grown man body all the way yet, you know, I'm still growing every, like every year. And I just think like, I gotta just continue to be hard on myself about not only just lifting weights, but eating the right foods. Like that's been a big thing too. So, yeah, that, that's just a thing where I think the explosiveness comes from like being better with my diet, being better with, you know, stretching and like I feel like I'm getting old. So I got, I'm not, I'm not as quick as I used to be. I was watching my high school stuff a couple days ago. I was, I was like 180 and I was rolling well, not no more. But yeah, I try to just be better with that stuff so I can run fast.

[James Debo Harrison]

All right. What you got to say about that, man?

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, man, C.J. strout, man, that's, that's a unathletic answer. Like at 23, you're supposed to be, you're primed. That's where you're just like 23 to 26. Like that's when you're the best of the best of the best that you could ever be athletically. I mean, for me, I was peak, you know what I'm saying? Like right around that age, like that's when you got your grown man. You starting to get into your grown man strength. You're not 18, 19, you know what I'm saying? Like you, you getting it, you feel it. You starting to grow into your body. By that time, two, three years in the league, like, boy, this is supposed to be the best version of yourself that I've ever seen, you know what I'm saying? So I understand, like when you being, being able to diet better, you know what I'm saying? Like understanding your food and being able to take care of your body more.

[James Debo Harrison]

Well, he's trying to say he was dieting better in high school than he was. That's a pro. That don't make no crazy to me. Dude, you're a 23 year old. At 23, bro, I could go three days, no sleep. Rise, sunshine. All that.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Party to the wheels. Who fell off, still be at the gym by 6, 7. I do that for three days straight before I was like, you know what? I might need to get some sleep.

[Joe Hayden]

No, for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

What, what are you talking. Maybe he's just joking, man. That guy he talking about he hit a wall, a wall at. At 23, 24. Stop playing, man. Stop playing. You want to see a wall? It's a little wall at 30, it's another wall at 35. If you're blessed enough to be around the league that long, then you go really hit some walls. And if you talking like this right now at 23, I don't know, the Texans might want to be looking for another quarterback because you already giving me the. The, you know, the perception that you personally thinking in your head that you ain't got what you had in high school right now. That is not something that I want to hear from my quarterback, who I done supposed to make my franchise player for the next, hopefully six, eight years. Nah, that ain't what I'm looking for. Maybe we might have to start looking for another one to pick up. But like I said, I just.

[Joe Hayden]

That doesn't sound. That doesn't sound too positive. I mean, I hope at the end of the day, I like C.J.

[James Debo Harrison]

Stroud.

[Joe Hayden]

He's a great kid. I think that he just. I don't know, he needs to talking about his food and talking about his workouts and all that stuff. I think that's something where, like, dude, that's what you, like, be on that. What are we talking about? This is where, like, you're supposed to be building up to this stuff to getting. Getting better. It seems like it's like. No, like, I mean, I don't know. It just. It didn't seem like a real good. It didn't seem athletic to me. That's for. Damn. That's what it seems.

[James Debo Harrison]

You're supposed to, you know, like, you're supposed to grow, get better, get all that, you know, like, even when. When I came in, you know, my first 2002, until about 2005, six, around there. Oh, like you said, I'm burning the candle at both ends. But then I'm like, you know what, man? Like, this game can help me get, like, generational wealth, man. I got to be able to play this as long as I can. So from 2000, about 5, 6, I started cutting things out. I'm like, you know what? I'm not, you know, I'm not drinking, you know, during the week, I changed my diet. You know, I started eating clean. I started eating better. I stopped eating out, you know, two, two, three times a day. Now I was doing, you know, meals that were made at home, that was made with good, you know, good, good, good quality food, all that. So, yeah. And then from That I was like, you know what? I'm not going to drink during the week, but I'll, I'll party on the weekend and in the off season. And then as that time progressed, I'm like, you know what? From me doing that, I saw results. You know what I'm gonna do now is I'm not going to, I'm not going to drink during the season at all. You know what I'm saying? And that would be like, okay, I'm, I'm gonna have a couple drinks or something when we do our rookie dinner or something like that. You know, that would be the time I would drink, but I would still do something in the off season. Then I got to where, you know what, I'm getting older. I can't even, I can't even go hard do nothing like that in the off season. So I got to where, you know, I would be almost year round and wouldn't have no alcohol. The easiest way to stay in shape is to never get out of shape. I didn't take as much time off anymore, you know where when I was younger, you know, I may take off six weeks or something. Now I'm like, you know what? I got a week. I'm a chill. Especially, you know, if I'm hurt, something's hurt, trying to get my body right, whatever that may be. And then I'm, you know, I'm right back at it. That's one of the, you know, that's one of the things. But to say this at 23, like, that's, that's wild. Doing up late. I was 39 years old, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's not what I'm for sure. From a position that, you know, guys are playing, you know, well into their late 30s, some early 40s, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. No, and then you, you're at the quarterback position too, man, we gonna need you for the long haul. And that's not really sounding like that you think you're gonna have like that you, it sounds like you like you're. It might. The end of your career might not be as long as the beginning, you know what I'm saying? Like I was thinking like you're prepping up for something, but it seems like you already like, oh man, I'm getting up there. Like, no, you're not. You're not getting up there. You still haven't had your first contract yet. Like, we still talking about, I'm not.

[James Debo Harrison]

As fast as I used to be, I can't run.

[Joe Hayden]

You still didn't get your first rookie.

[James Debo Harrison]

Deal, your position that you're at now, you need to be getting more knowledge, understanding, reading things faster. Do you think Tom Brady stayed around that long because he was fast? No, no. Stayed around that long because he could see it, read and understand it and get it out. Like, yes, you need athletic ability and all that other stuff, but dude, the position you in, you need to see it and get it out. Like, don't. 23 saying that and you do. 20. Nah, I don't, I don't like that at all. And the more I think about it, the more it kind of disturbs me.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, no, for sure, man. 23 years old, that's just not, that's not something that you want to hear from a 23 year old player at all. I mean, I think I could respect him, but saying about his just athleticism and maybe that's not his strength. We never look at him as a blazer. Like that's something that. Oh yeah, we see Jay Strout. He's gonna use his legs and get out of there. No. So I could understand, like he's not the most athletic person at all. But I just don't want you to be sounding like my quarterback is getting old. He may just be talking just like.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know, you're talking negatively about yourself. Like, I don't like the mindset that's coming from it.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, they already gonna talk bad about you. Cj. Don't do it to yourself.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right, right. Don't, don't, don't give them more fuel for the fire, man. Like, and, and you know, actually to say it to the media, like right there, you know, even with a laugh, like, I don't like, that's something that obviously is in his head. Like, I'm not looking at my high school film, bro. I'm playing the game. Why am I looking at high school? Like, oh man, I just felt like I was faster. But no, I should, I shouldn't, I should be able to destroy high school me. You know what I'm saying? There should be no comparison to high school me.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, anything flick of the wrist, like, man, you was 16, 17 years old, you. And it's like, that's what I'm saying. You were a kid and now you grown man, 23. And we talking about you getting old. No, no. And you still young. You're still a young man. You just been able to. You've been past 21 for two years. You can, you just can rent a car. You can't even rent a car.

[James Debo Harrison]

You can't. He can't rent a car.

[Joe Hayden]

Can't rent a car yet until you can rent a car.

[James Debo Harrison]

Man. I don't know. Maybe it's. Maybe it's the young players, man. Who knows? So we over here in Philly, man, I guess multiple execs thinks that they have an issue over there and that A.J. brown, Jeremy Follett thinks that A.J. brown could be traded this offseason. I guess his relationship, or lack thereof. You know, he had his tweet that he said, and he had to do some, I guess, explaining over that issue. Do you think that they'll be able to. To keep that together? Do you think his. Do you understand? Do you. Do you believe his frustrations is cool, Is, you know, is warranted? Like, how do you believe this situation will come out? And do you think that it's a better way for him to handle it?

[Joe Hayden]

I think that A.J. brown knows he's a baller, and numbers are the reason why you get paid at receiver, and it's a team sport. But you know that when you get to that table, those dudes gonna be looking at it like this. Oh, yo ass only had 600 yards for 40 catches. Like, they're gonna make him. They're gonna. They're gonna add his. His value is gonna be on his numbers. We know that he didn't get any worse. He's still. That dude. He can still be making, you know what I'm saying, like, 1500 yards. We know if he gets the opportunities. So he's kind of looking at it like, I want to be helping the team. I know that we can. I. I can get us jump started. Like, he's not. I don't feel like he's trying to be negative, but at the end of the day, he knows he can affect the game and help the team out. So he wants to be more effective. He wants to help the squad. And at the end of the day, you got to get your numbers when. You know, when you're trying to get back to that table to. So they can't just.

[James Debo Harrison]

When did they pay him? Did they pay him yet?

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, yeah, they paid him.

[James Debo Harrison]

How much? What did he get? When did they pay him?

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, I can't say exactly, but I know he getting. I know he getting paid. He up there. He getting probably around third. I think he's getting around 30 a year. So he's knowing that end of the day, he has to keep those numbers, keep performing. He knows he can do it. He's not trying to take away from the team, but he just wants to help, you know what I'm saying? And he knows that if his numbers aren't looking good. It's not all about the numbers, but when you get to that team as.

[James Debo Harrison]

A wide receiver, it's a lot of numbers, especially at that position. I understand his frustration. He only got 14 pass, I think 151 yards or something like that, 28 targets, and that's not really good. But you got to look at it. Like you said, you're. You're four zero. I mean, they only averaging 138 yards pass in a game. Understand his current pace. He looking at what, 640 yards, 604 touchdowns. Maybe he got like a yards and catch incentive since he's already paid. But who, you know, who knows? But I think it's a better way for him to like, like, deal with this and like putting out tweets and all. That is not it. Unless he's tried to deal with it on the inside and it's not working. But again, oh, you're. You're foreign. Oh, and you know, he says when they're struggling, you know, you know, he wants to be. I mean, every team struggles throughout the period of game, but you ain't struggled enough to even lose a game yet. So, you know, like I said, to be coming out, you know, with the cryptic tweaks after you're four and oh, I understand, but I don't understand, you know, on his side, I can understand because he's a player. He, you know, he's. He, he. He's a person that has to do what's best for him or get what's best for him to be able to get the numbers so that he can maximize all the benefits that he's looking for. And then, you know, as a coach, sitting back like, yo, we're doing what's necessary to win. We're 4 0. Like, you know, what are we talking about? That's like me, you know, screaming and, and hollering that, you know, hey, man, I ain't got no sex. We ain't, you know, whatever. We ain't. Listen, we playing, you know, whatever it may be. And we don't need to because we're. We're 4 0. And I don't. Yeah, I don't understand.

[Joe Hayden]

It gets, it gets to. It gets to a numbers game, and.

[James Debo Harrison]

Especially at the big numbers receiver.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, you're not gonna make no Pro bowl, no all pro with these numbers. And those are your things when you're trying to go hall when you're trying to make your career and trying to make a statement for yourself. It's like, oh, what happened this joint? You had 40 catches with 650 yards. Ah, that's not whole. That's not hall of Fame activity. You know what I'm saying? So when you trying to create your resume as a player and just not all, like, when we say this, numbers don't.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay, so tell me this, tell me this, yo. If you were playing receiver, as a receiver, would you rather go for 1500 yards six years straight, or would you go for under a thousand for six straight? But you get two Super Bowls.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm going to go with. I'm gonna go with the Super Bowls. But Debo, I'm gonna go with the Super Bowls. I'm probably go to the Super Bowls if I was a receiver.

[James Debo Harrison]

All you gotta do is look behind me.

[Joe Hayden]

I know, I see, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm just saying, you know, for me.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Personally, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

1500. 1500 or 9 or 900.

[James Debo Harrison]

Here's the crazy thing, dude. I've asked guys this question. Would you go in and make double what you made over your career, but have no Super Bowls? Or make half of what you made over your career, but have Super Bowls? Here's the crazy thing. The guys that never went to a Super bowl or won a Super bowl, most of them take the money. The guys that went to a Super bowl and didn't win a Super bowl would take the Super Bowl. And guys like me who have Super Bowls, went to Super Bowls, won and lost. I'm keeping my Super Bowls. I don't need to double my. My net word.

[Joe Hayden]

Don't need to double the nugget.

[James Debo Harrison]

Respect. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

I ain't never had one. So I'm a double my. I' ma double my bag.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I don't. I don't understand it. Like. And like you said, you just signed, what was it, three year, 96 million, 84 million guaranteed. Just last year. Like, that's A.J.

[Joe Hayden]

Brown'S contract.

[James Debo Harrison]

Receiver guarantee, period. I'm talking about Brown.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I told you. I knew he got the bag.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, you got the bag. Like, okay, let's start tripping. Maybe after this year, maybe next year. Like.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, because you still got three years. That's the part, too. You in the guarantee. You in the guarantee. You in the guaranteed situation right now for the this year. 30 to the good, guaranteed. Okay? So we ain't got to even worry about nothing.

[James Debo Harrison]

84 out of 96, though.

[Joe Hayden]

Another 30 some to the good. Hey, we got to worry about. Oh, contract. See that?

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, listen, we coming up on that last year now. Let's. Hey, I need.

[Joe Hayden]

Coming up on that last year.

[James Debo Harrison]

I need 12, 1500 now.

[Joe Hayden]

12, 1500. Do you hear me?

[James Debo Harrison]

I need 12, 1500.

[Joe Hayden]

For sure right now though. When you making that good money. You're chilling. Your team's winning right now. She got two years. He could really be on some chill. Chilling. Cause that guarantee is coming in, you know, you want it to be good. So just.

[James Debo Harrison]

Get you another, get you another two Super Bowls, you know, and you coming up on that last one now. Hey, I gotta eat.

[Joe Hayden]

I got to.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, we gotta time. That ain't the case.

[Joe Hayden]

That guaranteed up. You know, it's time for me. I mean, do I gotta slide and at the same time too. Eagles, they're paying him 30 some million dollars to not even go too crazy. So I'm like you. I mean, don't. Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

They just paid you and they're using you how they're using you.

[Joe Hayden]

They're not blaming you. They're not blaming you. You got 84 guarantee.

[James Debo Harrison]

You can't go nowhere for the next two years at least. Let's, let's chill, sit back, don't get your catches in practice. Get all that, you know, you young.

[Joe Hayden]

Bruh, get your jugs on, man. Just make sure them things is ready. Just get the jug machine going and you're gonna be solid while you collect.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Jump down here to Miami, man. That Tua said that he is now focused on carbs and fluids to avoid concussions. What do you think of that? Like, what's your, what's your take on that? You believe that's. I mean, I know fluids. Yes, definitely, because you can't be definitely dehydrated. I understand, I understand the carbs too, because like your basic, like your brain basically needs some form of glucose, like good carbs, not bad carbs, not all that artificial refined stuff, you know what I'm saying? And that's why some people who.

[Joe Hayden]

Do.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like low carb or no carb diets, they get what you call, like, it's like brain fog. You know, your, your brain needs some sort of, some sort of. What do they call it? Cerebral. Cerebral. Cerebral.

[Joe Hayden]

Cerebral glucose.

[James Debo Harrison]

So it, it helps to, you know, be some people. And like, it's for individual, individually too. Like, I know I can function on no carbs. I'm used to doing it. I've been able to do it. Some people, they can't function dude, they can't, they can't remember where they, you know, where they set their keys, you know, two, two minutes after they drop them down. Another thing is neck strength though. A lot of people don't understand this. The neck strength is one of the mitigating factors for concussion. The stronger your neck is, the less likely you are to get a concussion. Like that's something. Yeah, I used to always had a four way neck. You're not doing here, here.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

All that, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

Because when you get. But when you get a lot of them concussions too, when they hit, they back hitting ain't here. Just snap back to the ground. You got that. Your neck strong as your head ain't.

[James Debo Harrison]

Just going all over, it ain't gonna just pop that. Like even when I was doing the show, wrestling heels, so you get slammed on the mat, what you're taught to do is slap like this. So when you hit, you slap with your hands, but you hold your head up so it's boom. Your head eventually goes back. But it's not that, you know where you just baming it on there.

[Joe Hayden]

Not just whipping it to the game, not just whipping it to the joint.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. So neck strength is a, is a big thing. And I understand the carbs, hydration, of course, you know, it, it helps. But if you really want to work on your concussions, bro, going there, getting that four way neck, all the neck exercises that you can get to strengthen your neck.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, no, no, that's definitely gonna help his ass. I didn't know about the carbs though. I, I ain't know about the carbs. That could really help out.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, everybody's different. You know what I'm saying? Everybody's body's different. Some people can function without them, some people can't. Some people, you know, figure out how to. It's just, it's up to, you know, it's in each individual, you know, one, one thing don't, you know, work the same for everybody. That's why it affects from here to there. And then some people don't get none. You know, that's go differently with different people. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

You had concussion before Because I know I, I had a couple.

[James Debo Harrison]

I had. Well, you know, when they considered ringer, dinger, zingers, all that, that's.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh no, I'm talking about them real joints.

[James Debo Harrison]

The real. Were you out like the real one.

[Joe Hayden]

Talking about, boy, you went to sleep for a second.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I had, I had one more rookie year when I, I was in. I was actually Playing in Detroit, dude. It was my rookie year, was the first time I think Clark Hagens had got. Got hurt. So I had to play, like, a whole bunch of that. I had to do kickoff. Kickoff return. So I played, like, three quarters, dude. And I remember the tight end coming across, blind on him. And next thing I know, they out there like, hey, hey, you good? I'm like, what y' all doing out here?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm like, it's like, you was out.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, I wasn't out. I just hit the tight. What did you talk about? It's like, no, I'm like, dude, I wasn't out, man. What y' all talking about? So I watched. Well, it didn't even have it on the game copy. So, you know, you go over to the sideline, they say, okay, you know, what's today? Yeah, you got a chance. Hey, it's Sunday. They like, yeah. I'm like, all right, cool. I mean, I remembered everything that was the issue. And, like, you know, the next series, I'm back in, you know. Now you. You done, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, you was definitely. Oh, for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

And then I had one in Cincinnati. When I was in Cincinnati, bruh. So I go. And this one, I didn't remember, but I know I. I lost track of time somewhere, but I played the whole time, so I go and I hit. It was Katri. I bombed on him.

[Joe Hayden]

Right? Right.

[James Debo Harrison]

So I get up and I talking, and I remember going to the next play, and then I don't remember nothing after that until I'm standing on the sideline, bro. And I'm standing on the sideline, and we playing in Pittsburgh, and I'm with Cincinnati, and I hear, you know, the crowd, like, just start off quiet and loud, and I. And as I started coming to, I look and I'm like, I'm on the sideline. And they. They must have just scored because it's a whole nother, like. Like 14 points on the board or something, right? I don't know what done happened. And I'm sitting there, and I'm like, oh, my God. I think I got a concussion. So now we know, you know, the side effects of concussion and all that. And I'm sitting there, and I'm like.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, yeah, I just missed some parts of this game.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know how much football I didn't miss. Right? But I'm standing on the sideline, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a scary feeling. And that's a scary feeling.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm like, do I. I'm like, do I tell them? I don't remember. Do I have a. And then now, like I said, we got the knowledge. And I'm like, nah. I'm like, they ain't paying me like that. They ain't worth my life. I'm like, yo, I got a concussion, bro. Like, what? I'm like, yes. I'm like, I don't remember nothing from the time, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

You tell me that. I just came to.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm standing on this, bro. And I just came, too, man. I played, like, four or five more snaps. They ended up scoring, and then it was like a pun or something. And they was returning the punt for a touchdown. And that's what woke me up as I was standing on the sideline, bruh, that was the most scariest ever. What was yours like, bro?

[Joe Hayden]

Mine was kind of the same. I had one. It was in the Ravens game, bro. I was going to go get a tackle, and dude was blocking me and had my arm, and I couldn't put my hand down. My head. Just, boom. Busting to the ground, same way. All of a sudden, I just see people. Joe, you good, you good, you good. I'm thinking, this is right. Like. Like it happened, and I just opened my eyes. It's probably been a good minute. You know what I'm saying? And I'm looking around everybody. Nobody's. I'm like, oh, shit. Walk me off to the sideline, go to the back, get to ask me what date it was. Same thing you said, Deebo. Sunday. Hey, I don't know the number of.

[James Debo Harrison]

People you gotta go with Sunday.

[Joe Hayden]

We in Baltimore for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Didn't remember. They kept my ass out of there, but that was my worst one.

[James Debo Harrison]

You had more than one? That was out.

[Joe Hayden]

Out. I had two. I had two.

[James Debo Harrison]

What was the other one?

[Joe Hayden]

The other one. That's the crazy part. I'm trying to remember the other one.

[James Debo Harrison]

You still.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm still concussed from that joint, bro.

[James Debo Harrison]

That ain't funny. Let me stop laughing, bro. Man, listen, man, I don't know why we laugh, man. I don't know. That's.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what? We got to stop laughing. We laughing.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Laughing to stop us. Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

You gotta keep from crying sometimes.

[Joe Hayden]

For sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, that's. That's. Sometimes be the game. They say the new kicking ball procedures have drastically changed field goals. Tao Bo says long field goals are about the Terminator. About the Termin. Terminator. What the hell? I can't read that.

[Joe Hayden]

It's about, like, checkers Terminator. Like kickers.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like the mother, not the kicking balls.

[Joe Hayden]

What? What is going on with these kicking balls. What's what? I don't know.

[James Debo Harrison]

So what's going on? I think what's coming down is they're letting them do the kicking balls now. Like they do the game boss. You know how you get a game ball and you grab it fresh out the box. It's slick as cat. You can't grab.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, so they're letting them scrub the balls up to condition them so you could grip them. Well, I think before with the kicking balls they just used the new ball. You had no basically grip on it. So they let them.

[Joe Hayden]

You weren't able to do it like the quarterbacks do. Yes, yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

So I don't, I don't see a. I don't see an issue with it though. I think they're just, don't get me wrong, they're. They're being able to. We can. You see a whole lot of long field goals now. But yeah, I think you would get that before if you just like, that's like trying to catch a brand new ball out the box. Dude, you're not going to catch one of those brand new balls out the box without gloves on. It's no way. Like they're actually.

[Joe Hayden]

They're slippery. They're not just like, they're not just. They're slippery for real.

[James Debo Harrison]

And it's like, it feel like it's almost like a, a coating over the, the material. Some somewhat like. I don't know what it is but if you don't, if you don't have time to work with those, brush them up, get them in like they're coming.

[Joe Hayden]

So that's all that they're doing. All that they're doing is massaging the. Dang. That was about to be crazy. Massaging. Yeah. All they're doing is. Damn. How do you say that without being crazy? All they're doing is massaging the footballs. That's it. Like the quarterbacks do. I was like, oh my goodness, I'm sounding crazy. How do I say this? They're massaging the football.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

So you're basically getting it like the way the quarterbacks do it though. Like they're not, not taking no air out. They're not putting no air in. They're just literally massaging the slickness off the ball.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right, right. Oh, right.

[Joe Hayden]

Well that's too bad then. Coach. They gonna. That's. That's a, that's a regular ball. You just got the, got the right amount of PI air in it. Let him boot the joint.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right. You got. You Got you got the air you're supposed to have in it. Like, it don't make no sense. Some people like to wear new shoes every game. Some guys like to break their shoes in during the week and then wear them, you know, in the game. That's, you know, preference. That's. That's preference. But for this, that's not preference. Dude. If you told them they couldn't do nothing with a ball that was just fresh out the box, they had to play with brand new balls that weren't worked in, weren't conditioned into it, the game will look totally. You know what?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

They want points. I'm tripping. I don't even know what I'm tripping on. I should have knew this. They want points. They want points, more points. So they let them condition the boss. I don't see a problem with it. You're not doing anything, you know, illegal. You're not deflating or hyper inflating the ball. You got to have it at a certain, you know, so I don't.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, somebody if I don't think, if anybody, I don't know if anybody touched it. Like, make sure they get the Duke. The fresh Duke NFL football. Fresh out of the pack. That's you. That's impossible to play. You can't play with that ball. So like instantly, everybody, every team I've been on, all quarterbacks, one of either like a certain type, they want their, they want their football as the field. So you gotta every. I've never seen a quarterback use a football fresh out of the pack and just bring it to the practice field. That doesn't. That. Never seen it before.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. So previously teams got three brand new kicking balls within 30 to 90 minutes before a given game started. So as of 2025, teams get all 60 kicking balls to start the year with unlimited time to break them in. Then each can use up to three a game.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, I'm not mad at that at all. Just think that this going is going to obviously back up that, that line.

[James Debo Harrison]

So how do you make sure that it's. Oh, well, they got numbers on them. Them. I'm tripping.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep, they got numbers on them. They locked in. They locked in.

[James Debo Harrison]

They got, they got numbers on them. So you can only use three. You get all of them. Can you reuse them?

[Joe Hayden]

But that's the crazy part.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, you can't reuse them. You gotta, you gotta use the three.

[Joe Hayden]

So that makes sense why they be trying to get them damn kicking balls back so bad. Like if the joint Goes into the stands, they trying to go get that. Because I'm like, you only got three.

[James Debo Harrison]

I guess each one can be used in three games. So.

[Joe Hayden]

Each one can be used in three games?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

It can be used up to three games. So basically, I could take three balls and I could use them for those three games.

[Joe Hayden]

And then you gotta switch them out.

[James Debo Harrison]

Then you gotta switch them out.

[Joe Hayden]

Because he said they get 60 of them.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, they said they get 60 balls to kick or they get 60 balls, you know, at the start of the year that are the kicking balls with unlimited time to break them in. Then each team can use up to three again. Three can use up to. Yeah, then each can be used up to three times a game. Up to three games. Sorry. Three games. So each ball can be used for three games total.

[Joe Hayden]

Perfect.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

Down coaches. He, the Eagles.

[James Debo Harrison]

I tell you what, it don't matter what kind of ball they put on the ground for me. I can't kick that song. So it ain't. It don't matter. You gotta have the skill.

[Joe Hayden]

You gotta have a skill for sure. And I think, man, they the Eagles, D.C. you might like, hopefully your kick is making sure his ball is perfect so he can boot that thing 60 yards.

[James Debo Harrison]

Definitely.

[Joe Hayden]

Mad. They get mad they ain't got a good cat.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, they is. They is firing off on them balls. But back in the day, didn't they.

[Joe Hayden]

Nah, back in the day, they had.

[James Debo Harrison]

A different shaped ball, didn't they?

[Joe Hayden]

Little round you talking about back in the day that you talking about with leather helmets.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Probably. But back in the day, Debo, we only had to guard the 35 yard line. That's what I was taught at first. The guard of 35 now got a damn guard to 50. Because soon as they pass half, they can kick the field goal from there.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, if you got a good field goal kicker, bro. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Dangerous.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, yes. Like. Like this dude, this one dude. This one dude, he's. He's like the coldest field goal kicker, man. Like.

[Joe Hayden]

Bankroll, boss. Bankroll. Come on. Bankroll. Hey, look, I ain't no. You know, I love Bankroll. Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, you got lucky, man. You got lucky. I made. I made him the greatest kicker alive, man. You wanna know how I did it, man? I told her, boy, if he missed that field, gonna wash my back in that shot.

[Joe Hayden]

You scared him to greatness.

[James Debo Harrison]

I scared him to greatness. Hey, you welcome, baby. Hey, I don't even need no thank you. No appreciation. You know what I'm saying? It ain't. I don't need a man. But we. Hey, between you and me and everybody else in the world now, we know.

[Joe Hayden]

We know he knows you, who you are.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Good old bankroll. Bankroll.

[James Debo Harrison]

Ball.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

Game. We got. We got. We got. We got some money here. We got some donations here. $10. Thank you. We appreciate you.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Thank you.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you always.

[James Debo Harrison]

He said, what's up from Heath Miller country? Well, hey, that's down there in VA Ain't it?

[Joe Hayden]

He's Miller.

[James Debo Harrison]

Ain't that Heath Miller and Heath Miller from va?

[Joe Hayden]

I think so.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay. Okay. He said, let's go, Blitzburg. Love you guys. Joe and nine two from Swords Creek, VA I told you it was VA you did. I'm good like that, bruh. Appreciate it.

[Joe Hayden]

You good like that? Knew it. Okay. Geographic. Geographical. Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. You know, saying I do what I could do when I could do it, but, you know, when I can't do it, I still do it.

[Joe Hayden]

You still do it, and you know I'm gonna come. You know me, I'm in good old London. Brown's about to go ahead and get it done, though, somehow.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, don't, don't, don't. Don't mess around out there and get popped by the same team. We just. Okay what they about to do. Say, tell me what they about to do, because you there with them. You talking to them. I ain't gotta say. You ain't gotta say? Oh, they said. He said, just tell me what you say they about to do to the Vikings. This right here is what Joe is saying the Browns are going to do to the Vikings. Run it.

[Joe Hayden]

Dan come all this way just to come this way. We came out here to whoop ass and take names. That's all I got to say about that.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's it? That's all you got to say? Hey, Vikings. Browns came out there to whoop your ass and put your names on their list. I just want y' all to know that Joe Hayden said that this.

[Joe Hayden]

We here for a good time. Not a long time. They've been here for two weeks. They getting all chill. They eating all these crepes and grapes. Get out of here.

[James Debo Harrison]

Crepes and grapes? What about the. Don't they got tea or somewhere in London or something?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, they got tea, too. And get out of here. We ain't come for none of that. We came to whoop some ass and go home.

[James Debo Harrison]

A crumpet, a patella chip or two. Crumpet, a chip, a chip or two. Listen, is pissed off they done lost. Then I had to stay out there almost two weeks. Yes, they mad. Listen, they bout to stump a mud hole in your ass and walk it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep. Okay. Yeah. Imma see your bass on Monday, boy. I want that same. I want that same energy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Look here, baby. We want to thank you guys for joining us on Debo and Joe. And I want y' all to go watch Vikings stumping mud hole in the Brown's ass with y'. All. Please like and subscribe to our channel. We will be back at it on Monday.

[Joe Hayden]

Be here Monday. Make sure you like and subscribe. Make sure you like and subscribe. I got something for Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, you got some. He got. He got something for Debo. Joseph from London. What you got to say, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I gotta say watch the Browns. Will ask. Make sure you like and subscribe to the Deebo and Joe show. We will see you Monday. I got something Ask when the Browns whoop the Vikings. This is an I heart podcast.