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Summary

Club Shay Shay — Deebo & Joe Episode Summary

Date: December 15, 2025
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison, Joe Haden

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Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay features former NFL players James Deebo Harrison and Joe Haden recapping a dramatic NFL weekend. They break down the Browns’ devastating loss to the Bears, Mahomes’ season-ending ACL injury, the Bengals’ playoff elimination, and preview the upcoming Steelers-Dolphins Monday Night Football game. The discussion is candid, funny, and full of insights about player injuries, coaching decisions, and the emotional highs and lows of being a fan.

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Browns’ Loss to Bears: What Went Wrong?

[01:56-18:42]

Game Recap and Immediate Reactions

• Deebo gleefully recounts the Browns’ 31–3 dismantling by the Chicago Bears, needling Joe about Cleveland’s ongoing struggles.
• The Browns' offense was stagnant, only managing one first down in the first half, and finished with just 9 total. The offensive line was decimated by injuries, and rookie QB Shedeur Sanders was sacked five times.
• Special teams and coaching issues were singled out—penalties, poor field position, and miscommunications plagued the Browns from the start.

Quote:

"That game sucked. The whole thing. Offense, defense, special teams. It was just sad."
— Joe Haden [11:23]

Injury Crisis and Offensive Woes

• Joe breaks down the Browns' roster issues: multiple O-line injuries led to a practice squad player starting at center—a “guy who’s been with us for 45 minutes.”
• Sanders’ performance is critiqued; he held the ball too long, threw key interceptions, and wasn’t mobile enough in the pocket.

Coaching & Communication Meltdown

• Confusion over play calls, especially a notorious “wristband malfunction,” led to more questions about head coach Kevin Stefanski’s leadership.
• Deebo mocks Stefanski’s inability to give a straight answer:

Quote:

"He said yes. No. Yes. What's yes? No?"
— Deebo Harrison [16:18]

• Joe is frustrated: the Browns looked unprepared, undisciplined, and lacked any “halftime adjustments” when the game script was collapsing.

Emotional Impact on Fans

• Joe, a former Brown, empathizes with the fans’ sense of hopelessness and anger after another crushing loss:

Quote:

"That was one of the worst games I ever watched for a Browns fan, and it had me sick to my stomach."
— Joe Haden [13:26]

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Around the League: Ravens Shut Out Bengals, Burrow Struggles

[21:07-34:35]

Baltimore Ravens Dominate Cincinnati Bengals

• Deebo describes the Ravens’ 24–0 win as far more competitive than the score suggests—Cincinnati had 40 minutes of possession but couldn’t score, and Joe Burrow was shut out for the first time in his pro career.
• Critical sequence: a 95-yard pick-six shifted all the momentum, sealing the Bengals' playoff hopes.

Quote:

"Talk about not having hope, Deebo. I didn’t feel any hope."
— Joe Haden [13:32]

Quote:

"That pick-six made it look way worse than it really was. Because at the end of the day, ... you just waste the clock that you’re not going to be able to get no more points because now ... it took us 11 seconds to pick-six yo ass."
— Joe Haden [33:11]

Ravens’ Efficient Offense and Elite Defense

• Baltimore controlled the ground game (Henry 100+ rushing yards in just 11 carries), while Lamar Jackson only attempted 12 passes, maximizing efficiency.
• Deebo and Joe both express concern about the Ravens as a real postseason threat, especially given Lamar's improving health and a suffocating defense.

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Buffalo Bills’ Epic Comeback vs. Patriots

[35:07-42:30]

Recap & Narrative

• Patriots jumped out to a 21–0 lead by the second quarter, but Josh Allen and the Bills stormed back, scoring on five consecutive drives after halftime and winning 35–31.
• The hosts marvel at the Bills' halftime adjustments on both offense and defense. Josh Allen finishes with three touchdowns after a slow first half.

Quote:

"Josh Allen went, Josh Allen though, he turned crazy."
— Joe Haden [37:42]

Stats & Adjustments

• Bills’ offense leaned on the run after halftime; James Cook doubled his carries and finished with 107 yards.
• The defense clamped down after a leaky first half: New England rushed for 177 yards before halftime, only added 69 more (65 on a single play) afterwards.

Quote:

"Their halftime adjustments has to be something vicious on both sides."
— Deebo Harrison [39:02]

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Chiefs Eliminated, Mahomes Tears ACL

[46:40-52:35]

Impact and Reactions

• The Chargers eliminate the Chiefs from playoff contention (16–13), and Patrick Mahomes tears his ACL in the process—ending both his and the Chiefs’ season.

Recovery Timeline and Career Outlook

• Joe and Deebo discuss recovery times (average 9–10 months for ACL with modern medicine), referencing Tom Brady’s comeback after a similar injury in his ninth season.

Quote:

"If it's me, for the longevity of my career, ... I'm taking off next season, coming back when I am fully 100%."
— Deebo Harrison [49:06]

• They stress the importance of not rushing back, both physically and for the player’s “mental development.”

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Micah Parsons' Injury & Player Contracts

[52:48-54:40]

• Dallas Cowboys' star Micah Parsons reportedly tears his ACL after just signing a major contract extension.
• Both hosts emphasize the need for Parsons (and all top players) to fully recover before returning, as performance is vital given their contract guarantees.

Quote:

"He got his bread. Rest. Get yourself right. Cause when you do get back out there, they’re expecting that high performance."
— Joe Haden [54:21]

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Steelers-Dolphins Monday Night Preview

[54:45-60:29]

Steelers' Home-Field Record & Game Plan

• Deebo, hyped about the Steelers’ Monday Night Football streak (unbeaten at home since 1995), lays out the game plan:
  • “Physical football,” relentless running in cold Pittsburgh weather, and forcing the Miami Dolphins out of their high-powered running game.
  • The Steelers must stack the box (“eight, nine in the box”) and force Tua Tagovailoa to beat them throwing in the frigid conditions.

Quote:

"If I don't see at least eight dudes in the box every play, we are doing something wrong."
— Deebo Harrison [57:55]

• Joe and Deebo both select their picks with confidence for the PrizePicks fantasy picks segment.

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Audience Engagement & NFL Life Q&A

[63:32-66:33]

• Fun fan questions about preferred kickoff times (“one o’clock every Sunday” is the favorite for both, so they can prepare early and relax post-game).
• Joe likens being a Browns fan to showing up to a family reunion and nobody brings food—except maybe Myles Garrett, who’s the turkey among a lot of “raisin potato salad” (i.e., disappointment).
• Shout-outs to Steelers legends being honored at halftime.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Browns' Dysfunction:
  "How do we not have our first 15 or anything ready to go ... starting at the inch line?" — Joe Haden [13:32]
• On Steelers' Monday Night Dominance:
  "I don’t think the Steelers done lost a Monday night football game since what, 94, 95." — James Deebo Harrison [55:04]
• On Fan Pain:
  "As a Browns fan, ... it sucks because they're obviously eliminated. ... After they lost, like, fans really do care. Cause I want them to be successful." — Joe Haden [17:54]
• On Steelers Game Plan:
  "Play physical football. Come on, it is December in Pittsburgh." — James Deebo Harrison [56:10]
• On Mahomes’ Recovery:
  "You want to come back 100% full. And you’re Patrick Mahomes. They're not going to release you. ... Your play is tremendous." — James Deebo Harrison [49:06]

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Key Timestamps

• Browns-Bears Breakdown: 01:56–18:42
• Bengals-Ravens Recap: 21:07–34:35
• Bills-Patriots Epic Comeback: 35:07–42:30
• Mahomes ACL/Chiefs Out of Playoffs: 46:40–52:35
• Micah Parsons Injury/Contracts: 52:48–54:40
• Steelers-Dolphins Preview: 54:45–60:29
• Fan Q&A, NFL Life: 63:32–66:33

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Tone & Style

The episode showcases Deebo and Joe's playful rivalry, deep NFL knowledge, and locker-room humor. Deebo’s loud pride in Pittsburgh and relentless ribbing of Joe is balanced by Joe's candid, sometimes pained honesty about his Cleveland Browns. The episode blends in-depth game analysis, heartfelt fan perspectives, and plenty of memorable, unfiltered banter.

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For any NFL fan or podcast listener, this episode offers a real breakdown of what it feels like at the intersection of player, team, and fan when entire seasons turn in a single, wild weekend.

Transcript

[James Deebo Harrison]

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[James Deebo Harrison]

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[James Deebo Harrison]

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[James Deebo Harrison]

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[James Deebo Harrison]

Welcome back to Deebo and Joe. I'm your host, James Deebo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. Look at you. Don't want to miss nothing on this beautiful, beautiful, beautiful Monday morning. How you doing today, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

You. You the worst, Debo. Literally, you know, like you the happiness you get for the Browns not succeeding.

[James Deebo Harrison]

What are you talking about? I'm happy because the Lord woke me up today.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm also happy the Lord woke me up today too. Deebo.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You not. You're not for the things you have, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I love you, Debo. I love you too.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I love you too, man. Listen, man, I'm telling you, it's just. I love it. I love it. Another day under this beautiful sunshine. Cloudy skies out here in Pittsburgh. I love it, man. I love it. Listen, I heard that you know what? The Browns ended up. Can I say losing? They didn't win. I'll say they didn't win. And they played the Bears. And let's just get into it, Joe, you know, and the Bears, they started off with the rock, of course, and they kicked it off to the Bears. And of course, on the kickoff return, I believe the special teams did what special teams do, and they went 52 yards to the 47. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. Your defense stood up. You know, they held him. They held him to three, and they had to, you know, they had to punt the ball. But, you know, they got a punter over there in Chicago. They got special teams over there in Chicago that actually play. And I believe, if I'm not mistaken, I didn't watch the game, but I'm just going through my roller. What'd you say, one yard line? They said one yard line.

[Joe Hayden]

One yard line.

[James Deebo Harrison]

One yard line.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what great special teams play does.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Great. Oh, for. They said it was a false start on the first play, and then the second, it was a 12. 12 men in the huddle. And then y' all had to punt the ball. Joe, what happened? You don't matter. Hey, hey, Joe. Bears get a short field, right? I think they start 42. They said the Cleveland 42. They started the Cleveland 42.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, so when they had a good punt return, they had a good punt return.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I heard the punt return wasn't as great. It was more of the field position that you guys kind of. Yeah, okay. Yep. And then what? Are you serious? They got a neutral zone. This fraction on the. The defensive going to be the defensive mvp who was running for the sack. He got a. Wow. He got a neutral zone in this fraction. Dude. It turned into second and five. And they said that running back, they got over there, Swift, he went 10 on them for that. And then what? Caleb Williams was doing his thing. Hey, I don't mean to do that. I guess he hit Loveland for 11 yard, right completion. And Swift. Hey, they said that. Boy, Swift. Six yard, touchdown, seven nothing, man. A.m. i correct? I'm correct?

[Joe Hayden]

You're correct.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay, okay. They said, get back out there, baby. And they go to. Do they what a delay. And then they go three and out. What? Oh, sorry, I'm tripping. My bad. But they said, like, I don't know, Something happened on 3rd and 10. I guess it was like, maybe. I don't know, Sanders might have said.

[Joe Hayden]

Nine and a half. We get a little. What was that? What is it? The review they give my man a half a yard short.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I mean, first down it was. They said it was short, though, and they ended up punting it. Yeah, Yeah. I guess the Bears, you know, they actually started at their own 20. They said, like, so. You had great field position. 7 plays, 80 yards, a touchdown. They said 7 plays, 80 yards, a Touchdown. 3rd, 3rd and 2. Williams. Who? Who? Who? Lovely. They hit Lovely for what? Twinkie 4. They said they hit lovely for Twinkie Foe.

[Joe Hayden]

The little pick play.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Twinkle at Burden. He said he was wide open for 40.

[Joe Hayden]

It was a pick. They got picked. He got picked. He picked Delphic.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Nobody called assholes. Everybody got one. They all stink. What? Oh, and finished it with Moore on the third down for the touchdown. It's 14 nothing. Whoa. I don't even know what the score was, Joe, but it's 14 nothing now. I guess Cleveland gets the ball. And then another three and out. Cause Shador got sacked on second down, unblocked.

[Joe Hayden]

People running at him like, you know, it was. It was. We had a botched offensive line.

[James Deebo Harrison]

The Bears did what then? The Bears, they. They got the ball back. Right. Okay, then. Then what happened? Then all the way to the Cleveland set. Oh, they helped him out. Wow. Then the Bears missed the field goal.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay, so then Cleveland gets the ball back. Oh, he had a nice one. Shador had a nice pass.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

42.

[Joe Hayden]

Our first. First down. First. First down in the damn game. Okay, first. First down.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Oh, the next. Third down. He got sacked. Are you serious, man? Hey, y' all crazy, man. Did. He got sacked. Y' all punted.

[Joe Hayden]

He fumbled it. Actually, I'm happy that the ref. I'm happy that the ref.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They got it back.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, we got it back.

[James Deebo Harrison]

And then you punt the ball. You punt the ball over. Is that what happened?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

And then. Oh, nothing really happened. Oh, you said it was just Browns, Cleveland. Oh, I guess Cleveland actually stood up and, you know, forced the three and out, so. But, hey, the Browns got the ball back. This. They did something with it. Huh? Did they? Oh, they did. They did. What did they do with it? False start. A false start again.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

On first and ten, a three and. Oh, three and out. Dang. Dang. I'm so sad about that, man. I guess. 48. 40 seconds left, man, and they did. Oh, they didn't score.

[Joe Hayden]

They tried to do hook and ladder, all that stuff. Yeah, we get a little stop.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, it was like. It was like hook this and all that other stuff, but, you know, it was. Hey, y', all, it's only 14 nothing. That happened. I know.

[Joe Hayden]

And we had no yards. We didn't do nothing on.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Oh, Oh, y'. All.

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[James Deebo Harrison]

So y' all get the ball. Y' all come out there and y' all start balling, baby. Three and out, bums. I mean, a horrible thing that happened. Horrible thing that happened. Oh, yeah. I guess the Bears go out there.

[Joe Hayden]

And they try to go forward on fourth. Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They get a sack. Oh, my goodness. Who got the sack? Joe Miles, I guess. You know he did something, right? I know. So y' all get a short field. I'm hearing, like, at the bears, like 48. Okay, okay. And they said second down to seven. Shador hit Fanning for 13.

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[James Deebo Harrison]

Oh, hey, they did what?

[Joe Hayden]

We get a field goal.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Goal. Y' all settle for a field goal?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, we did.

[James Deebo Harrison]

3 to 14.

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[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna let you keep getting off. I'm gonna let you.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm just. I'm just asking questions. You say the score was 3 to 30? 3 to 31. Oh, my God. That might have been the only points. Shador did what? He got picked and then turned around immediately. The defense did what? They. They. They held him. No, they gave up 22 yard touchdown or. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I don't know what is going. I'm. Hey, listen, Joe. Oh, they. They had a touch. Y' all scored. Y' all scored a touchdown. They said Shador made a great pass right there and he caught the. Oh, no. They said it was an interception. It was an interception. And they said that right there gave y' all 80 yards. 80. Y' all had 80 yards to defend, and y' all let them boys go nine plays, 80 yards for a touchdown. Oh, my God. Oh, and another pick, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They threw another pick. A, a, a. And to add. They say to add insult to injury, they scored another three. Another. They scored another three points in 31 and three. You only scored three points, Joe. Hey, Joe. Joe. Hey, hey. Cleveland got some problems. You said they couldn't protect Shador. You said he was sacked five times. He was pressured. How many? They say he was pressured more than the. The Andreas fault got pressure on it, and then they couldn't run the ball. Hey, man. Hey, hey. A what? They couldn't get place. I'm a. Hey, Joe, you tell me what. Hey, Joe, what's going on over there? Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

You know what, Debo, I'll let you.

[James Deebo Harrison]

It don't matter. It don't matter.

[Joe Hayden]

I'll let you get. No, hey, listen, I gotta. I gotta. Honestly, we don't Care.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No, you do.

[Joe Hayden]

You do care. You do care. Because I gotta talk.

[James Deebo Harrison]

All right, go ahead. Go ahead.

[Joe Hayden]

I gotta talk to you about this.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Go ahead.

[Joe Hayden]

So right now, as a Browns fan, me genuinely. That game sucked. The whole thing. Offense, defense, special teams. It was just sad. As a Browns fan, I would say for one thing too, on the offensive side of the ball, we're injury prone. On the offensive line right now, we had our. Wyatt Teller was out. We had Jack Conklin out. Then we had Tevin Jenkins. That was. Came into play. He got hurt. So now we have three. Three missing players and now we have additional. No, no. We had a. We had a. We had a. What's my man name? We had a practice squad guy as a center. So it's for one thing, stop playing with me.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Stop playing with.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm. I'm dead serious. The man, we just signed him from the ra. The. From the ravens. He's been with us for 4, 45 minutes and then he was subbed in to be on the offensive line to protect Shador. So now we have our practice squad guys, two guys that don't play. And then we have Joe Petonio, our starter that's been there for a while. He' to own him. And our left tackle, but they're injured too, but they're fighting through it. So the offensive line is looking trash. You can't win if you can't have any type of run game. Every time Junkin touched the ball, he was getting smacked in the backfield. The production was bad. People were running scot free. So with the offensive side, and I'm not here to stand up and protect Shador's play, a lot of those picks were bad. The one that Judy had, that was not a bad pick. The other two, bad balls, bad picks. The one thing that he didn't do, he didn't move backwards in the pocket. He at least tried to move up. He's patting it too long. We got to make a decision. You're not that fast. So you're either going to run and escape forward or you're going to dump it down, throw it away. We just got to make that decision a little bit quicker. On the defensive side of the ball.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We.

[Joe Hayden]

At the end of the day, when we had Denzel Waters out, you know what I'm saying? We have a lot of people trying to play man to man. Wasn't working. This is a big. Chicago Bears beat us in every aspect of the game. Their play calling, the way they restart the game. We come out in the Second on the second drive with a delay of game with no mismanagement of.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm trying to understand this, Joe. Why are you getting so many? The first two drives, y' all had more penalties than y' all had. Y.

[Joe Hayden]

That's on coaching. How did we not have our first 15 or anything ready to go and being set back on. You're starting at the inch line. So when you get those two penalties, we can't even back up nowhere. We don't have no flow, we don't have no rhythm. We weren't able to get anything going. We had one first down. We had nine first down, one first down in the first half, nine first downs in the whole game. That's ridiculous. So, like, when I'm looking at it too, like, special teams, they started on their field position was so much better than ours every single drive. They starting on the 47, the 42. We're starting on the 1, 2, the 16. You know what I'm saying? So, like, our special teams players. I know our coach, Bubba Venturone, great coach. We don't have, like, it looks like we don't have any. We don't have no special team. We have no specialists, no dudes that are like, this is our job. Like, we have a core special teams crew. We got a lot of young dudes that are going out there trying to play, and they're not doing well. That was one of the worst games I ever watched for a Browns fan, and it had me sick to my stomach. I can understand why Browns fans get so mad and get so frustrated. That give you talk about not having hope, Deebo. I didn't feel any hope. I was. I'm like, man, well, I mean, right.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Here is when you're a Browns fan, you sort of got an affinity for losers. You know, I don't. I don't understand it, but, you know, I used to be a Browns fan myself, so. But I grew. I grew. I grew out of it. I understood that nothing was going to change and it was going to be the same as long as the Browns were the Browns, and they still are the Browns. And that's just how it is. They actually said that it was some sort of malfunction with the wristband. Kevin Stefanski, he. He actually had had this to say. Tell me what you think it is, Joe. Early on, was there something wrong with Sanders wristband? Yeah, there was a miscommunication early.

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Is that.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Is that accurate? No. Yeah, yeah, there was something. I don't know if the wristband got something on it or whatever it was, but there was a. We got that fixed. Something on it. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yo.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, what do you take from that, Joe? Something on it you gotta change. You can't wipe it off.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, listen, this is what I'm trying to say, too. Did you see? They asked Shador the same question and Shador said, no, it wasn't the wrong wristband. It fell out. They had to get something fixed with it. Like, they had to put it back in. So with me, I just don't like Stefansky because he doesn't. He can't never answer nothing. If Shador said the joint slipped out and they had to put a new one in, you're never going to get a straight answer from Stefanski. He's always going. He's starting to piss me off because he's uninterested. Like, he doesn't.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He said, yes. No. Yes. What's yes? No. Yeah. Is it wrong play? Yes. No. I mean, I said, yeah. I shouldn't have answered that truthfully. I let the quiet powder out loud. Yes. No, no.

[Joe Hayden]

I just under. You gotta see. We won't get the footage and run the Shador answer to the same thing. He's like, no, no, no. It was the right stuff. It just fell out of my. It fell out. So we had to put. We had to put another one in. So just give an answer. Say what you gotta say. But my thing is, they just don't. You're head coach of a team. You're supposed to make sure. If a team has a lot of penalties, that's on the coach. If a team is ill prepared, that's on the coach. If you don't like you just when you come out, the Chicago Bears look so much more well coached. He looked like he was running. Think Caleb was doing it. Dishing and dodging. They have a great running game. They. Coach Stefanski looks like he doesn't care. So that's the part that's throwing me off. I'm like, all right, if this already looks like we're gone.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm trying to figure this out. What I think, from what I understand, is that head coach speaks first, right? And then you're after the game, then your starting quarterback speaks after that. How come we couldn't even just like. Or y' all couldn't even just like, you know, get your story together.

[Joe Hayden]

I think Shador is going to just go say what really happened because it's really, it is what it is. Like no, if it slipped out like just boom. And coach the fan. I don't know. You just can't get a straight answer. But that's. You know how coaches are like they trying to keep. He's going to be something and you already making it look crazy. Cause why I've never In none of the games. 16 other games.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, you sound like you played for the Browns. Go ahead.

[Joe Hayden]

I did and I want them to be good and I just, it sucks because they're obviously eliminated. This year is going to be a rap but just watching it, it pissed me off because it made my mood mad. I'm walking around, I'm frustrated but like damn, what are we gonna do? This looks terrible. So I can see how Browns fans say after they lost like fans really do care. Cause I want them to successful. But it, everything, it just looked terrible. That was one of the worst things I seen.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I mean it's kind of what you know, you get kind of used to seeing what the Browns. I mean that's, I mean it. When I can't go and watch the Steelers win. Watching the Browns lose is good. That's, that's, that's a good second. You know what I'm saying? I mean what do you think of that, that, that Jerry Judy play, man. What do you. How do you.

[Joe Hayden]

I think that Shador Sanders put the ball right in the money. That's either has to be a touchdown or worst case scenario is incomplete and it's an interception. You know what I'm saying? Like I just don't like at the end of the day with Jerry Judy.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I mean it kind of like just bounced off his chest.

[Joe Hayden]

Like he bounced off his chest and do you hear the way that Shador is at the end of the day he's not going to go over there and run on them complain. So my thing is if nobody's going to be running up on you and you're not balling that well, don't just shut your mouth, go out there, do what you got to do. You're still making 25, 30 million dollars a year regardless. So you. I know that you don't think that's a good play. So I'm not going to sit there and sit there and jump on you and bash on you. But at the same time when people are saying you're going to go scream on your rookie quarterback for missing something when you're. You tried Allen Iverson and versus the Raiders got the joint punched out and then you Cliff Paul a Pick, you know what I'm saying? So you had two turnovers from your quarterback. He hasn't said anything to you in a way of running up on you, making you look bad. So why would you do that to him? So at the same time, just be quiet, Catch the passes, you know what I'm saying? And then Shador, at the same time, he hasn't. He's shown everything, like, nah, I think I know Jerry Judy feels bad about that. You know what I'm saying? It's gonna happen. That's the way that you do it. You know what I'm saying? So I hope Judy does the same thing.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, man, it's some good news, though. Where is Miles Garrett at in the sack?

[Joe Hayden]

Record race, man. He got his one and a half, and that's the other part. I'm watching the game, just rooting. Miles gets his second sack. What he thought was his second, and it was a half a sack. So he got one and a half. He's one sack away from the record, and he's not. He can't celebrate. They're los know that's going to lose, you know what I'm saying? So he's doing all of this. 17 sacks in the last eight games and losing effort. So I feel bad for him. Denzel Ward wasn't out there to injure. They had Emerson. They got a lot of injuries, but everybody does. You know what I'm saying? But just seeing Miles out there, I think y'.

[James Deebo Harrison]

All. Y' all next man up stuff that you have over there in Cleveland, it's not really that great of a next man up. I think y got to do a little better job.

[Joe Hayden]

We got to have depth to be next man up. Our man up is our starters, our ballers. And if they start falling off, then it's. Nobody else is going to be able to just step in and make. We had Sam Webb. Love Sam Webb. Good work out there. But you replacing Denzel Ward is going to put make our defense a lot worse, you know what I'm saying? So not having our starters in there, Emerson being hurt at the beginning of the year. So, yeah, I mean, yeah, it was just ugly. Debo, straight up.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's a shame, but the Ravens and the Bengals, they. They played. I was hoping both of them could lose. They didn't tie. But I ain't gonna lie. I watched this, and the number of 24, nothing don't really dictate how close this game was. Dude, the Ravens get out there, first three plays they hand it to Henry. I think he gains 11 on that. And then the second down he was tackled for a loss of one. And then on third down, Lamar gets sacked.

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[James Deebo Harrison]

They end up hunting the ball. Burrow gets out there, thinks second down, he hits Gesic for 11. And then first down they get a holding penalty which I'm thinking will put him behind the chains. But the next play, I forgot they had Chase over there, he picks up 18. They able to pick up the first down on the second down and then second down I think Baltimore got an illegal hand use that ended up giving them another first down. They converted another first down after that. And second down, Chase dropped what would have been a first down. And third down, Burrow gets sacked and loses 15 yards, putting them out of field goal. They end up having to punt the Rock. Lamar gets it back. Second down, he gets sacked. Knight was balling over there. He did a great job of running, you know, following. Following, spying on. Spying on Lamar when he had, you know, that.

[Joe Hayden]

That responsibility.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, when he had that responsibility, they punt the Rock, Burrow gets out there. Second down, he ended up having to scramble. All the pressure. Cause they was on his neck. Yeah, I think it was, what, fourth and two. They ended up getting the first down because your boy was in the neutral zone. And then the next play, I think Brown ended up running for a hot 10. And then third down, Chase off his fingertips. Interception in the red zone. In the red zone.

[Joe Hayden]

Got to be more careful.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Ravens get the Rock, man, and then Mitchell, I ain't know. They had another running back over there, man, for eight. And then the next play, he hit it for 15. I think the second down, Lamar, he goes and he gets picked because Flowers drops the ball. It bounces into the.

[Joe Hayden]

That was a Cliff Paul to a Cliff Paul. The. The Ravens did it, and. And Bengals did it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No question. Cincinnati gets out there, and it's. I think it was like, an illegal formation on, like, the first player or something like that. They go three and out. After that punt the ball, it's still like, 00, dude. Like, I don't know. Like, I'm watching. I'm like, where the hell did this 24 come from? First play, Lamar scrambles for a hot 14, and then he hits Hopkins for what, like, 32? Yeah. Wide open, man. Hey, that. That second down, though. Hey, they fired on Mitchell. Oh. Oh, Lord, they fired on him, man. I ain't gonna lie. They fired him. Yes. And then the third down, he dumped that thing was Ali. That boy went on here, took it 30 yards for the touchdown. Seven nothing. They get back out there since. I think Perrin. That's his name, right? He got six on the first play, and then Burrow hit Chase for, like, nine. The next two plays, I think it was Brown, he had a rush for about four, another catch for seven. And then second down, holding call. And then third down, they had an offensive PI that the Ravens declined because they ain't get nothing on it. They punt the Rock back, and here's where it starts to open a little, like five plays. 80 yards. First play, flowers for 26. Then Lamar scrambles for 12. The next play, the Bengals dropped a pick that hit him in the face, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, you're not gonna get many of those.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No question, dude. I think they had some offsetting penalties. And then Lamar hit Andrews. I think it was about 14, 15. And the deep ball to Flowers I was on.

[Joe Hayden]

That was a dime. That was a dot.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yes. He put that on the money, dude. 14 Nathan Like Cincinnati get the ball back. They trying to make their way down there. They can hit chase on the second down for about 11. The next second down, they sacked that man again into the half. 14 night still 14. Nothing like the game is still within. Within touch. You know what I'm saying? Still out there. You know, Cincinnati starts the third quarter. Second down, chase good 34 yards, you know, And I ain't gonna lie to you. I was kind of hoping that the. If it couldn't be a tie, that the Bengals would win.

[Joe Hayden]

The Bengals will win. Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. No question.

[Joe Hayden]

Makes it easier. Road.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. And then that third down, he gets out of a sack. And then you go for it on fourth down, and you don't convert. He's pressured again. He gotta throw the thing. Now you get a ball back to the Ravens, and this dude Henry start tripping.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He go for 29, and then he go for 24 to the 15. Third down, flowers drops a TD. They got lucky. They settled for the field goal. It's still within touch. It's 17 to 0. Cincinnati come out there. I believe they may have converted one. First down, Ravens defense doing what they do. Force another.

[Joe Hayden]

Them dudes getting. They looking better.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't like that.

[Joe Hayden]

Not good. It's not good. It's not good for the.

[James Deebo Harrison]

It's not. It's not. It's not. Yeah. I don't. I don't like that, dude. I won't. And Lamar moving better. Like, I don't. I don't like that. Ravens get the ball back. First play again, Henry 22. They got lucky. He tripped. They. Dude, I'm trying to tell you he got.

[Joe Hayden]

Missing on that, but no, for sure, yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Second and five. Lamar hits flowers for 14. Then Mitchell get back in the mix. The next. He go for 11. But Lamar gets sacked on first down. He almost got sacked on second down, too. Cause. But he threw it away and then got sacked again by that boy Knight. On third down, they punt the Rock. Your defense doing a little bit of standing up. Like.

[Joe Hayden]

They trying to give you a chance to find.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They trying to give you A chance, man. Bengals get the ball, man. They drive all the way down to the two yard line, bro. In that process, these boys converted two fourth downs. And then on second and goal, he dropped the touchdown in the back of the end zone, bro. And what happened on that next play? Burrow gets intercepted by Van Oil. I ain't gonna lie to you. No.

[Joe Hayden]

Because you done did it before.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I am not handing that. He handed that thing off to him. How you say it? Like a baton, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Like a baton.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That boy stroked out.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, bro, he stopped running. He had that thing too.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, as soon as he. As soon as he handed it off, he stopped running and did the. Let me sit back and watch.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He did. Let me sit back and watch. Twinkie folding nothing. That's over with, dude. And that's just where it ends. Out of touch. Then the Ravens, dude, the defense, 100 did their job. They did let them score at all. Them boys was at the two yard line and they did not score. You talking a pick six to the house. What was it? 95 yards total, yo. And then the first time ever Burrow has been shut out in his career, like, this is the. Actually, this is the first time since 2017 that Cincinnati was held scoreless. Guess by who it was then.

[Joe Hayden]

The Steelers.

[James Deebo Harrison]

The Ravens.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, man, they got their number.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They got they number, bruh. They sacked Burrow like three times. They had good pressure on him all night. I think he was what, 4 of 10 for 59 yards and two interceptions. When they had him under pressure like, dude, the Ravens played better all around situationally on offense. Defense. Here's the crazy thing though. The Ravens only had the ball for just under 21 minutes. Like that mean them boys over there had the ball for almost 40 minutes.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that's.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Henry still got 100 on just 11 carries. Mitchell added another 66 on eight carries. 100 almost 190 total Russian. And then Lamar, dude, he was. He only passed the ball 12 times, bro. 12 times, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, for 152 touchdowns.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Oh, and a pick like that's taking advantage of, like, that's making it work.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't.

[James Deebo Harrison]

20. If I'd have showed you just the number sheet that like without the score brush, you would have thought it was 20.

[Joe Hayden]

No, this is like they didn't have enough yards. At the end of the day, they really scored. What? They got 14. They had seven on defense. You know what I'm saying? So like that, that pick six made it. Made it look way worse than it really was. Because at the end of the day, they didn't. They was the Bengals had the ball like you said, that drive, converting on fourth downs, driving it all the way down to the two yard line. That's a lot of converting, third downs, fourth downs, being able to keep the ball time of possession. But if you're not getting no points out of that, that's just a long foul ball, like nobody cares. You just waste the clock that you're not going to be able to get no more points because now you ran all the way down there, wasted that time and it took us 11 seconds to pick 6yo ass. So now all that time you tried to do, now we kicking it back off to you getting the ball at the 20 again, right? Restart, you know what I'm saying? So being able to Ravens have defense like that and keeping that offense out of the end zone. Jamar Chase is on that team, you know what I'm saying? Like they're potent offense. So they gave up.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They didn't have Higgins out there though. That, that, that, that one, two combination, it helps.

[Joe Hayden]

It helps guys. Now you just could, you could double that.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You could double concentrate. Yes, you can concentrate on for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

For sure.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, they go do it, they ain't gonna get no. Just one on ones all day. No more. More. Nah, not unless they have to. You know what I'm saying? And he wasn't out there, so they ain't have to. Like yeah, I'm, I'm a little, a.

[Joe Hayden]

Little spooky about the Ravens.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, about they, they defense. I see Lamar, he getting, he getting healthier. They talking about he 100. He ain't a hunted. From the time they said he was a hundred, I done seen him get way better than he was. When they said he was a hundred, that was a hundred. Then he about, he About 135, 145 right now like Michelle and he still ain't a hunted. We know this. Like, we know this.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Now let's talk about, let's, let's talk about these Bills, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

These Bills, man, I thought they was getting spanked. Every time I seen 21 though. They down 21.

[James Deebo Harrison]

21.

[Joe Hayden]

They down 21. Oh yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

The first drive, dude, the Patriots come out there and go eight plays, 73 yards. I think it was like five runs for 30 something May was like three or three for what, 41. They end up getting a touchdown there. Bills come out, defense slap them, say three and out. Get up out of here. Patriots come back out there. I think they might have went like four or five plays, they end up punting. But again the defense tell the Bills, get up out of here, slap you across your face. Three and out. Patriots come right back out there after that. Six plays, 50 yards. Make scrambles for like 17 on the first one. He completes a couple passes that go, what about 25? And then he finished it with a seven yard scramble for a touchdown. 14 Nothing already. Buffalo come out there. It looked like they was having some life, but again they stall out. It was about nine plays. They end up punting the ball. Patriots come back out there. 94 yards, eight plays with that dude Henderson striking out, striking the band. Two.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Twinkie. One nothing. I'm like, yo, this is about to get super ugly. But the Bills finally answer. They score a touchdown with just under two minutes left. It's seven to 21. I'm like, okay, it's possible we may have a game. But immediately the Patriots drive right back down there. Only reason they ain't score a touchdown is because they was running out of time. They end up going and kicking the field goal. It's 20, what, 24, 24 7. 247 at the half. But hey, Buffalo come about that thing.

[Joe Hayden]

Bruh, that second half, it was a different game, bruh.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Bruh. Them boys ended up going. If you add the halftime before the halftime, their next, that from that possession on, they score five straight touchdowns, bro. Five straight touchdowns. They come out in the first one like, and they drive down there and dude, they score by time. I look up, it's 28 to 24. They ahead. Dude, I don't. I don't know what. What went down.

[Joe Hayden]

Josh Allen went. Josh Allen, though, he turned crazy.

[James Deebo Harrison]

28 to 24. I'm like, this about to get ugly. Super ugly. Patriots get out there. The first play, this dude Henderson strikes off again for 65 to the house. They are now up 31 to 28. I'm like, we gotta fight on our hands. But I ain't thinking we really gotta fight. Cause they still ain't stopped Buffalo from scoring. Yes, they get right back out there and they score again. Another touchdown, 35 to 31. They would trade a couple three and outs from there. I think that next possession is when they end up going forward on that fourth down and what's his name bats the ball down. Yeah, Buffalo gets the ball back and they basically just run the clock out. Run.

[Joe Hayden]

They get some first downs and yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Dude, they win, 35 to 31. Bruh. I'm thinking, I don't want to play Buffalo and had him down by 21. Like, I hate Josh Allen if I'm on defense. Like if I'm going against him, but I love him if he's my quarterback.

[Joe Hayden]

Sure.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Like their halftime adjustments has to be something vicious on both sides. Like halftime before the half, dude, Allen was only 6 of 35 with a touchdown and that came at that very end. He finished 18 for 183, three touchdowns. Halftime. Cook was 7 for 32 rushing. He finished 22 for 107, two touchdowns in the defense, dude. The defense at halftime had already gave up 177 yards rushing. They come back out, finish the game at 264. That's just 69 yards more in the second half. Now don't forget, 65 of them came on that one one. Yes. Bay again though he was. He was 9 for 108 at the half. Dude only finished 14 of 155, adding on three sacks. He wasn't even sacked in the first half. Only 47 yards in the second half. Like, I don't want to be down by 21, but if I got to be down by 21, give me Josh Allen. Give me whoever's adjusting this dude.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

On offense and defense, whatever they're doing, they're seeing something and they're adjusting to it. Because this is not the first time. Like the coaches is doing something special over there. The players of course have to go out there and execute it. But from what they did in the first half to what they did in the second half, it's the same players. So it's the execution of the adjustments of what they done did at halftime.

[Joe Hayden]

Dude, you said what it was in the first half, James Cook had like seven carries. And then the second half he ended up with 20 carries total.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He ended up with 22. They fed that man the ball 15, doubled it up the good.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, doubled it up in the second half. And that's the one thing in the offensive line being able to create those holes. Cook isn't getting touched sometimes until he's into that second level, you know what I'm saying? Eight yards deep. And that dude, he can really run the ball. So just staying consistent with it. And then Josh Allen being able to. When you have that run game, being able to do the play action. Cause they really have some good tight ends. Their receivers aren't all too special, but if you can able to have that run game, being able to do play actions.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Josh Allen running the rock too.

[Joe Hayden]

Josh Allen running back. No, a little bit of everything just there. They can Do a little bit of everything and that's what you love to see. And then on the defensive side of the ball, like you said, being able to make adjustments, being able to. They scored on them the first three drives, 21 0. And then you being able to come back in the second half and just stop that. He had 47 yards total. And Drake Mays, not a bad quarterback. He's able to dish it and duel it. And they be running some good plays. So that was good to see the Bills being able to adjust. And then Josh Allen, them down big and like, we want to go down here, keep his status quo. We're going to start. We're not just going to make Josh Allen pass it every time. They doubled up on Cook's runnings because they know that he's eventually going to break something and get this thing going so the play action can work. Josh Allen could run. So I mean, it was just a really good.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They adjusted at halftime, dude. Like, they did what was necessary to fix the issue. They like, yo, we got the players, we know we can do it. We just have to adjust and put them in situations where they can actually be able to make the plays and be successful with it. So the halftime adjustments were great. Like, where was Cleveland's halftime adjustments?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, see, we didn't. Halftime adjustments. We came into the game with no adjustments. For the second drive, we didn't even know, like, where's our first 15? Like, I don't think. I don't, I don't. I don't see flow. But sometimes being set back at the one yard line having terrible field position doesn't help. But we still gotta be able to start, get off the one yard line, get a little bit of push. With that offensive line, we couldn't run the ball. Quinshawn Junkins is getting smacked. So in the second half, we gotta run the ball better.

[James Deebo Harrison]

All right.

[Joe Hayden]

All right. My practice squad. Center, please do your best job that you can. Don't get beat up out here. And the Bears defense, they are not bums. So them dudes, secondary like you said. No, they're not gonna do that.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I told you he was gonna get one. Every time I saw the pick, he jumped in front of that thing and grabbed Shador. I knew something like that was gonna happen.

[Joe Hayden]

Can I tell you something? In the other pick, like when they were just really. And he's forcing, force feeding into Fannin. I love it. But that corner, we could have had a pick six. He jumped that ball hit him right in his hands and he dropped it. So like just eyeballing, I don't think we had too much of a game plan going at all. Halftime adjustments is yeah, that's not what the Browns are doing right now. So I think Kevin Stefanski just the way we're not running like an organized offense, nobody looks it doesn't look fluid. It doesn't look fluid. And how you come out the second drive of the game and not be fluid. Second drive of the game. We're still in our first 15 because we had a three and out. You know what I'm saying? Like let's we got Running a business.

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[Joe Hayden]

To know, like, let's get the flow. What are we doing? That's just the part that throws me off.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. Like I said, man, you know, Cleveland got some issues over there, man. You know, hey, I'm, you know, I'm happy they're not mine, and I'm glad they got them. That's. That's really, you know, that's really what it all come down to, man. The Chargers eliminate the Chiefs from the playoff picture.

[Joe Hayden]

Sad, sad day. And then.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, 16 to 13. And in that process, Patrick Mahomes tears his ACL. This is going to be something that. Because, you know, he tore it late now, you know he's going to miss.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He's going to miss a good part of the season, if not all of it, depending on, you know, what the process is of that recovery and, you know, what the prognosis is. If it's just the ac, acl, if it's something, you know, if it's more than. Than just that. But I think, what, is this the first time in what, nine, 10 years that they haven't been in the playoffs? Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

How long does acls take that? So it gets different times.

[James Deebo Harrison]

If you're talking about you have all the knowledge, you have all the people to do the correct process of recovery and all that. Dude, you could come back fooled up in like, nine, ten months. Like. Okay, okay. But it could be shorter, like, depending on what you want to, you know, what other, you know, processes you want to add to it. You know, stem cells, stuff like that, whatever. Yeah, but dang.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, he's gonna be. He's gonna be out for a minute. Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, it really, like I said, it's really dependent on what you're first. You gotta have a successful surgery, make sure it's not too loose, it's not too tight. You gotta make sure in the process of your recovery, you. You're able to get, like, you know, full extension and all that other stuff. And then, you know, what you do to help it, you know, heal faster. And you don't want to go faster trying to, you know, just hurry up and come back. Because it's still a process that your body has to go to be able to heal in a timely manner.

[Joe Hayden]

So this Pat. So for me, I'm thinking, like you said, this is his ninth season in the league. This is his acl. I think this is kind of like the halfway point he got another probably nine more years left, like 18 year career. This says the same thing. They said Tom Brady tore his in his ninth season. So for me, don't rush him back. He has another nine years left in his career if he's going to miss some games in the first week. Patrick Mahomes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm not. Listen, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

What?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Honestly, if it's me, if it's me for the longevity of my career, you, you know, I'm taking you taking off next season, next season, coming back when I am fully 100. Because you got to realize it, man, you got it. That that competitor in you is going to want you to come back. You're going to want to come back, get back out there, help your team do all that. But dude, this is not just helping your team, dude, this is your career. This is your livelihood. Like this is how you're going to, you know, be able to make your money. And you want to come back 100% full. And you're Patrick Mahomes. They're not going to release you, get rid of you. You have a garangelist contract. Your play is tremendous. Even though now he's being, you know, he's being pressured. So I think man was sacked five times last night. He's being pressured, you know, left and right. Like I'm not going to. Even if I'm. If I'm Andy, like I'm not pressing this man to come back no time soon until he is 100%. And I'm not even. Honestly, I wouldn't even let him come back, bruh, unless we are in. No, I still couldn't.

[Joe Hayden]

They. Cause they, they're eliminated now next year. I mean, you talking about next year like by the end of the season, like if they make it to the.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Playoffs, like if we make it to the playoffs next year.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying?

[James Deebo Harrison]

You know, he's went through the process of doing the practice and all that and ye, he's 100%. And I could see him do things where. And then you gotta realize the mental, like he's stepping. Like nobody hit him. He did that stepping and just stepped wrong and bloom. So now you gotta get through that mental development of being like, okay, I'm gonna be all right if I'm not paying attention to where I'm stepping.

[Joe Hayden]

We on the same page. Like he's gonna be able to take his time, be able to get right when he's back ready mentally and physically, like believes in it. Being able to go through all those practices. It's no rush, but at the same time, we're not gonna hold him back. Like, no, no, Pat, chill, chill, chill. Continue. Get your rehab, do all your steps, do all your stuff, but we're not gonna force you. Like, nah, Pat, we need you. No, no, no. Take your time. When you're ready, when your stuff is 100% healed, it's time for us to.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Come back and do it. We going next man up. I'm building this team with the thought process of we're not gonna have him this year. And I'm trying to take whoever is the next man up or whoever is that up to be able to come in there and give us the best chance of winning next year, all players included, quarterback line, whatever that may be. That. That's my process. And I'm thinking like, yo, I'm not. I'm not going to have him, you know, because he. Dude, you talking about December. Trying to get him back, like, that's a, you know, that, that, that's a, that's a. That's a lot. You know, I don't. Yeah, me personally, like I said, I'm. I'm sitting back, I'm chilling because I need him for the long haul.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't need him to come back out here. Come too. Really? You need him next year, that thing up? Yeah, I need him at least for the next eight. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Like, no, for sure.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Then from that process. Now we're looking for, you know, in the next four years. We're trying to get the replacement. We're trying to get the guy that's going to succeed him. You know, you can't wait to the last minute to try and pick up a guy that you're going to have that should be there to succeed him. You want him to be able to be there, see what he's doing, learn behind him, get an understanding of what it is, how you run the offense, how he runs the offense, what he sees. Like, I want him to be coached by this dude. Just from sitting there watching him and, you know, Pat's going to help him. Yeah, yeah. That's just what it is, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

So you think it should be more like, like, like a. Like the packers did around year 14 draft Aaron Rodgers, when you have Brett Favre, let him, watch him, learn under him for the next three years. Love. You know what I'm saying? Same way.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. That's something that we, you know, we didn't do. And another thing, Parsons ended up. They believe he tore his ACL against Against Denver in their loss. Yeah, and that was another one where you see, you know, he's stepping and again, that's another person. They just gave him money low. Yeah, we're. I know we gave you money, but I need you to be able to play out that money and to put you out here when you're not 100%, especially as a defender. And you gotta adjust and move. You're not the one that's, you know, being adjusted and moved, too. Like, he has to adjust to what they do. So that's that quick step here or there, you don't know where your feet go. Be in the process. So. So, you know, I'm praying for all of them, Praying for both of them, but for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

You know how that is.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, I'm chilling. I'm chilling for the year. I'm doing everything possible to get back to 100%.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm so happy, too. At the end of the day with Micah, like, you know, he got his bag, he got his leg. At the end of the day, so good. He gonna get this year, guaranteed. Next year, he gonna sit out. That's guaranteed.

[James Deebo Harrison]

So, yes, come back a hundred. Come back.

[Joe Hayden]

They gonna have you two years. You know what I'm saying? Unguaranteed. But that's when you gonna prove it. Show them that you still Micah. You gonna. So that's where I'm happy. He got his bread. Cause they could have released him, and then he wouldn't have had that second guaranteed year, you know what I'm saying? Of money to be able to now sit out and get himself back. Right? He'd have been like, nah, I gotta get back. I gotta prove myself. Trying to show him I'm worth him. No, you got your bread. Rest. Get yourself right. Cause when you do get back out there, they're expecting that high performance.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Your child.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Now, you come out there, you rush back, you ain't looking the same. Now they. As soon as we get a chance, we. We need to let him go.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, man. You're three of that deal. And they.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They.

[Joe Hayden]

Now they got you by the. By the balls, but you are. You made your guarantee, so that's the good part. But don't rush back, because soon as you get out there, they expect you to look like Michael Parsons.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, for sure. Hey, Joe. It's Monday. And somebody. Somebody playing on Monday night.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, they are.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That ain't lost since, I think, before you was born, Joe. What year was you born, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

1989.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Oh, 89.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay. I guess she was born I don't think the Pittsburgh Skillers done lost a Monday night football game since what, 94, 95.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, man. Yeah, okay.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Uh huh. And that's what we do. We got the Dolphins coming into town. We gonna be doing some Dolphin training up here in Pittsburgh.

[Joe Hayden]

We got to. Hey, we got to.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, Joe. You know what they used to call me, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

What they used to call you D?

[James Deebo Harrison]

He used to call me Mr. Money Night. Hey, hey, I ain't lying.

[Joe Hayden]

That's when you show up.

[James Deebo Harrison]

What they said. They say, hey, that was Mr. Monday Night. That was. They called me on the broadcast, Joe. They call me Mr. Monday Night. That's what I did. I performed, baby. I performed when the lights was on camera. Action, baby. That's what I did. Joe, look here, man, we gonna go out here and do a little bit of dolphin training. Be like, tell them, you know, come here, put your nose here, you know, put your nose under my feet, push me through the water, do all that right there. So it's simple, Joe. Hey, only thing we need to do to beat the Dolphins, man, play physical football. Come on, it is December in Pittsburgh.

[Joe Hayden]

It's cold outside.

[James Deebo Harrison]

To show them what December football looks like in Pittsburgh, Run the ball down, in and down, out. Make them tackle in the cold. These boys don't want none of that stinging on their arms when you come in through there in the cold. You understand what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

I understand.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We gotta protect Rogers. We got to protect the boss. Okay, now I will say this Chubb over there, he been getting some pressure these last four games. And how do we negate that? We successfully run the ball. We need to not give him opportunities to be able to pass for us. And when we do pass the ball, we need to chip him also. I think we should run the ball at. And this is why I think we should run a ball at him. Because when you wasting that energy trying to fight off these blocks with all these dudes pressing on you, you don't have that energy to use up for those pass rush opportunities if you get them. Because if we stay in those situations where we're not having to hold the ball long because we're in third and short situations where we can drunk. And when they decide to jump something, we. We pop it over they head, then we're good. Now the defense, first and foremost, we have to stop the run, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, Chan.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We do not stop the run. We are going to get our face kicked in.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Last four games, Miami is averaging 194 yards on the ground, okay? On the ground, bruh is only having to throw the ball. I think I average a little over 21 times a game. Make them beat us with what they don't do well. We need to make Tua pass the ball. If I don't see at least eight dudes in the box every play, we are doing something wrong, we ain't doing it right. You know what they're doing successfully?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Stop them from what they're doing successfully and make them. Force them. Force them to have to pass the ball to.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

194 yards over the last four games is not a fluke.

[Joe Hayden]

No, that's real.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Against teams that actually was halfway decent and running the ball, it's still 194 yards as average.

[Joe Hayden]

Dude, Deebo, that's down and back, dude.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That's down and down and back.

[Joe Hayden]

On your way.

[James Deebo Harrison]

This dude only had to throw the ball on an average of 21 times a game. He ain't complete no more than like 12, 13. Force them, man. Put nine in the box and go.

[Joe Hayden]

Man, it's cold outside. Literally. I'm telling you. I'm with you.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You gotta put it on the money.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm with you. And the weather outside is frightful. And I don't know if he's throwing it in the weather and the elements and then put everybody in there, stop the run, bully him. This gonna be a game of don't take a man's will, run it at him and don't let them run it on you. And we gonna be able to win the game for sure. You know what I'm saying?

[James Deebo Harrison]

We don't lose on Monday night. Steelers ain't lost a game since they moved over there, since Three Rivers.

[Joe Hayden]

Three rivers.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You said 95 lost a Monday night game in that stadium where it was Hines lines or accuracy. And we damn sure ain't about to lose one. Now drop your nuts, stand up and pound these boys out. They ain't running the ball.

[Joe Hayden]

Tell them. Tell them, Debo.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Damn sure bet not.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna be. We're gonna be watching tonight. Two nights.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You know what time it is, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

You know what time it is?

[James Deebo Harrison]

It's time to play. Now play a fade. Present. Pride. Yo. You know how it works, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I got my lineup of picks for you for Monday Night Football with the Steelers. You either play my lineup. God. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Boy, you strong.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know I do what I could do. I could do like what I could do, baby. You know what I'm saying it's simple. I got Tua for more on the interception because they gonna have to pass the ball because we gonna stop the run. I got the running back for less because he is not running for more than 18.5 on a rush.

[Joe Hayden]

On a rush.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That's not happening. I got Jalen for more if he plays. I think he's kind of questionable, but if he do play, he's going more because we're gonna need to see successfully run the ball. And of course, with that being the case, Gangwell, go get more too. Now, Joe, tell me what you go do and you tell me why. If you go fade me, you fade me. You cannot fade me, Joe, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo, man.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Oh, you about to be real disrespectful. Hey, man, take all. See that brown stuff be getting in your head. It.

[Joe Hayden]

No, bro, let me tell you. Let me. Let me go play by play. Let me go ahead and two are going to throw a pick. I'm looking at this A chan. I'm looking at this A chan and.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm Joe89 in the box. I'm hoping.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm that. You hoping what? I'm hoping. I don't know if we're going to have 89 in the box though. I hope we do. That's Debo. For the love of the game and because that's what we shall do. He's not gonna get over 18 5.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Let's go.

[Joe Hayden]

Jalen Warren, 53. We need all of it. We need everything on this sheet. Are we gonna get everything on this sheet? I hope so. I'm gonna play it. I'm gonna play it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Let's go, baby. Joe, go play it with your boy.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna play it. I'm gonna play it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

Let's get it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Your boy Danny Dubois donated 30. Debo and Joe, what were your top three times to play? Do you guys prefer to play on prime time or regular 1 4, 30 or 8?

[Joe Hayden]

What you think where you go at first?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Me personally. Give me the one o' clock though, and I'm trying to get up out of there.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, D boy, talk to me nicely if you really want to know. I want one o'.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Clock.

[Joe Hayden]

I want One o' clock every Sunday. Just for my preparation. I wake up, I know it's time to get ready for the game. I got to start getting my stretching, my everything ready. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's right to it. Any other thing, I can't do anything but like think about the game. I'm sitting there looking at my notes. It's just too much. No time, it's too much. But late night games is cool for everybody. Because prime time, everybody get to see you. But my personal opinion, I want one o' clock every Sunday. Cause I'm waking up, I'm ready to get to the stadium. I don't have to sit there and be stressing all day. I can't talk to nobody during the game. All I can think about is the game. It's fun for everybody else, especially if.

[James Deebo Harrison]

It'S a home game. Now you're going home. Everybody want to talk and listen, man.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm trying to get ready for this.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I don't want to talk to you. I don't want to do nothing.

[Joe Hayden]

I love you guys so much, but I'm really locked in right now. So the one o' clock games, just to get it out, do your thing. I. I'm so focused on Sundays. There's nothing else to talk about but the game. And then until after the game, I could be back normal, chilling and talking.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, I ain't gonna lie to you, baby. Monday night treated me right, though. As you said, Joe, Monday night, your boy was pretty decent. I say, you know, nine and a half sacks, three interceptions.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my God.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Full force fumble.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, my God.

[James Deebo Harrison]

14 and two records. You know, basically, that's. That's just, you know, that's. That's kind of how your boy roll. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying what I was saying. Hey, look here, man. Hey, look here, bro. Oh, we got Covenant Life coming to life. We got Covenant Life. Covenant Life donated 20. Thank you again. So, Joe, you basically saying being a Browns fan is like going to a family reunion and no one brings the.

[Joe Hayden]

Food.

[James Deebo Harrison]

At this point. Burn everything, Bengals. Y' all had one job. Sorry asses. Let's go, Steelers. Defense show up. Thank you. Defense gots to show up. Defense has to show up.

[Joe Hayden]

Got to. Yeah, man. I feel you being a Browns fan. I mean, yeah. I mean, no one brings food, but, like, we got Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett brings food. You got certain players that.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Are you getting some potato salad with raisins in it?

[Joe Hayden]

No, Miles Garrett is bringing turkey. He ain't bringing no raisins.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm just saying you might bring some potato salad with some raisins. Somebody look, stuff like that, you know, Somebody go get out of control.

[Joe Hayden]

Brought the raisin salad, man.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That's who brought.

[Joe Hayden]

That's who brought the raisin salad.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Depot. Joe, brother, it's Monday night football, boy, in Pittsburgh. Now listen here. I gotta shout out my boy West Ben, Pouncey Peasy. They getting inducted into the Stillers hall of Honor at halftime tonight. Hey, make sure y' all watch the game and those at the game. You better be loud and proud because we about to go ahead and stump these boys out. We want to thank you guys again for joining us on this episode of Deebo and Joe. Please make sure you like and subscribe. And don't miss Monday night Football, baby. We gonna be right back here tomorrow talking about how we dog walk, put leashes on dolphins, drug em out the water, and Peter looking for us. Cause we done stumped them to death. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Belt to tushy. You already know what time it is. Catch us here tomorrow after we talk about how the Steelers whooped Tushy.

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