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James Debo Harrison
Welcome back to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe, man, y' all don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?
Joe Hayden
Debo? I'm doing amazing and I'm safe. Glad that you ended up calling, calming down, not coming to Virginia. Didn't nobody need you over here, man. You know what I'm saying? If you came, I would have had cookies, milk. I would have gave you some love. Cause you needed it. It was a tough day for you, my brother. I'm just here with my. Got my dog. Whoa. Got my little helmet. I felt like, oh, my God, it was a great day. On this side, on the brown side. All that, all that. You always talking so disrespectful. Debo. We're professional.
James Debo Harrison
Joe, Joe, could you calm the language, please? Thank you.
Joe Hayden
My bad.
James Debo Harrison
I would greatly appreciate that.
Joe Hayden
I'm hyped.
James Debo Harrison
You Know, I. I'm hyped. I asked. I. I begged. And please, I said, lord, please, please don't. Don't do this to me. I said. I said, please don't let Cleveland win. But, you know, God doesn't always give you no, you know, what you want. He gives you what you need at that time.
Joe Hayden
Yes.
James Debo Harrison
And, you know, when this is what you need. Yeah. And the answer is no, or I have something else for you, or not yet in the. And the blessing is delayed. It's an opportunity for growth. You know what I'm saying?
Joe Hayden
Yes. Okay.
James Debo Harrison
Whether that's physical growth, emotional, spiritual growth.
Joe Hayden
Whatever that is some type of growth.
James Debo Harrison
It's some type of growth that's good. And usually along with that, though, it comes from suffering, you know, and in realization of that moment when I was, you know, heading to your house.
Joe Hayden
I.
James Debo Harrison
Had a choice to make. I would either. I would either allow that to, you know, happen, because you got free will. You know, you had the free will to either choose it and let me go ahead, ignore it, crash out, get to Joe's house and do something, or.
Joe Hayden
By the time you would have got here, you would have been calm, hopefully. Deebo, I already know that, man. We. The chill. No.
James Debo Harrison
No. Got you on or accepted in a lot of, you know, a lot of growth to happen. And so with me being a newly saved man, I chose growth, and I turned my car around and I came home.
Joe Hayden
I appreciate that, Deebo.
James Debo Harrison
You gonna teach me my absolute best not to crash out.
Joe Hayden
Well, good. Good luck. Cause we gonna do a nice breakdown of the game. Let's talk about it in details, figure out how it happened, how it went down. You know, the good, the bad, and the ugly. You know, I'm ready for all of it. All right. Oh, is that a solo cup in the AM or what's in there, brother?
James Debo Harrison
We.
Joe Hayden
What you.
James Debo Harrison
I'm gonna be transparent. So I came home, and I sat down and I watched the game. And to help calm my nerves, I opened a glass of wine.
Joe Hayden
Okay.
James Debo Harrison
I opened a bottle of wine, and I drink it. That glass turned to a whole bottle. Yep. And I was. I was feeling good. You know, I'm a cabman, so I was feeling good, and I went to sleep.
Joe Hayden
Little red.
James Debo Harrison
And. And. And. Yes. Yes. And I woke up, and that thing was back. That wanting to drive to you was back. No. So I had to go.
Joe Hayden
No.
James Debo Harrison
And had to go and get some more wine.
Joe Hayden
Okay. But. Cause you can know what you can't do.
James Debo Harrison
The wine wasn't doing it. No.
Joe Hayden
So you got some real liquor in there.
James Debo Harrison
So I started drinking like. Like real liquor. And I'm a happy drunk. Yeah, I know. I'm a guy that gets a little intoxicated and I'm happy.
Joe Hayden
Okay.
James Debo Harrison
So hearted. And I finished. I finished this one.
Joe Hayden
And I like a little ice nap.
James Debo Harrison
I'm. I'mma go to this one after this is gone. So that's why I am able to calm down.
Joe Hayden
Is that the Louie, right?
James Debo Harrison
Yeah.
Joe Hayden
Soft flex. I see you. Okay.
James Debo Harrison
So, Joe, I hope the movie keeps.
Joe Hayden
You nice and calm as we go.
James Debo Harrison
It's gonna keep me nice and calm, Joe. We gonna get into this game.
Joe Hayden
Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it.
James Debo Harrison
Let's do it and.
Joe Hayden
Cause you got that.
James Debo Harrison
Browns get the ball first.
Joe Hayden
Yes.
James Debo Harrison
And they end up having another Sanders. Raheem the running. He gets six yards on the first play because we get washed down a little on that right side. And they actually made it to the outside backer this time. It's cool. Next play, I believe it was a pass. Oh, Harrison gets in there on the blitz. He almost made the play.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, Shador, just pocket presence. Just so aware, you know what I'm saying? Being able to get in, get out. Making people fall. Stepping to the side. Beautiful pass. You know, you gotta. Just a deep. You gotta have contained a little bit better. Contained. All right, keep going, Debo. You got it.
James Debo Harrison
They get 19 on that? Yep. He's incomplete on the next play. Cause Shador. What? What happened? What happened? Incompletion.
Joe Hayden
Oh, no, no, don't worry. It's incompletion. Good defense. Yep.
James Debo Harrison
Okay, second down, Sanders running backs. He. He picks up.
Joe Hayden
I don't know, maybe picks up three.
James Debo Harrison
Yes.
Joe Hayden
Then third and seven, Shador hits Judy on a dot on the curl route. Perfect timing. Perfect, though, dot.
James Debo Harrison
Y' all get a first down. You only pick up two on that. On. On the first down. Ah, second down. It's incomplete because your boy can't throw. He throw it into the dirt. Cause we all up over him.
Joe Hayden
Yeah. Good defense.
James Debo Harrison
Don't be trying to be nice now, dude. Now it's third and nine.
Joe Hayden
Yep. Great tackle. You know what I'm saying? Come up there, make some hits. Boom, boom, boom.
James Debo Harrison
R them up.
Joe Hayden
No, look, I'm here. I'm here for good football. I want both teams to have fun.
James Debo Harrison
I'm that guy. We hold, you know, we hold him to a. To. To a. To a 50 yard field goal, and.
Joe Hayden
He knocks the joint down. Bang. Good special teams play. Great field goal kick by them. All right, Steelers ball. What they going to do, Deebo?
James Debo Harrison
You know what we gonna do. We go get her. We go get a rock to Warren. He pick up folks and my boy.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, let's not forget we can look ball security. First play of the game.
James Debo Harrison
Are we.
Joe Hayden
Are we punching for the rock? Yes, we are. Bush. I love it. I love it. Just keep him aware. Yeah, go ahead. Then we try to get Warren another run.
James Debo Harrison
Okay. Okay. All right, listen. It's one and one. It go one yard on second, one yard on third down. We punt the ball.
Joe Hayden
Punt.
James Debo Harrison
Three and out.
Joe Hayden
Quick three and out. That Browns. That Browns haunted. That Browns haunted. Def sense come out there and did what they were supposed to do. They stood up. Now Browns get the ball back. What do we do?
James Debo Harrison
Debo, you're doing an awful lot of talking right now. You don't even normally talk this much, Joe.
Joe Hayden
My bad, my bad, my bad. My bad.
James Debo Harrison
Oh, my God, man, listen.
Joe Hayden
So it's this. It's the second round.
James Debo Harrison
He hits Tillman.
Joe Hayden
What?
James Debo Harrison
Don't just listen.
Joe Hayden
Say, how was that? Good. Was the route with the ball.
James Debo Harrison
No. 21 got beat. First thing he did was the route stay on him.
Joe Hayden
He bink binked them, got inside leverage and then stacked him back up and to the seven. That was a great route. Seven. Clark. Love Clark. But he got hit up. You got to stay on your outside. Leverage. You got to force to the inside. You got to turn into that 7. Route and the ball docked. You cannot lie. Perfect placement.
James Debo Harrison
Bink over the shoulder. Listen, if he scrambled for six yards on the next play. Oh, my goodness. Listen, but my guy. Cam.
Joe Hayden
Cam Hayward comes down, second down.
James Debo Harrison
Dropped that boy for one.
Joe Hayden
Yes, he did. Yes, he did.
James Debo Harrison
Boy, 68 was having a rough night. Joe.
Joe Hayden
I told you about 68 last week. My man, Cam Robinson. Tough time out there. He's having a bad, bad year.
James Debo Harrison
I don't.
Joe Hayden
I don't know. We gonna have to figure something out. He's not doing too good. Love him like, but no, we need some better. Him and 72. We need better. You're correct.
James Debo Harrison
Third and five. Running back. What's the. Raheem.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, yeah. Raheem Sanders.
James Debo Harrison
He picks up nine.
Joe Hayden
Yes. Good going.
James Debo Harrison
He picks up nine in the first down because 95 is getting pushed four yards deep again.
Joe Hayden
Oh, yeah. That's for sure. That's for sure.
James Debo Harrison
Again. Okay. Yep. Next play.
Joe Hayden
Who.
James Debo Harrison
Who chased down who from the backside and stopped him for a short little gain or two? Sawyer. Sawyer.
Joe Hayden
Sawyer. Sawyer hoop. Sawyer hoop. He was doing his thing. Yes. Yes. In the right place, right time.
James Debo Harrison
Man, I gotta go to this next play.
Joe Hayden
Oh, yeah. Then what happened? But then. But this is the part, too. I'm not just here to bash. I'm here to be honest. Digger should have made that play. You're in Duggar. Duggar.
James Debo Harrison
Duggar. Duggar. Duggar should have made that play. That threw up a punt.
Joe Hayden
It was in cover, too. He played him because he thought it was single high. That was a seven. He threw the seven inside. If he just plays the ball, he can make a play on that for sure. Like, I think Shador got fortunate that that wasn't picked off. You know what I'm saying? That was just a terrible play by Duggar. He could have easily. Like, you tricked him. You thought it was single high, but that's cover two. You supposed to be over there. Fannon made a great. Adjusted his body to catch the ball, but same time, that should have easily been a pass breakup or pick.
James Debo Harrison
Pass breakup at the worst.
Joe Hayden
Dude, a pass breakup at the worst for.
James Debo Harrison
Show happened on that play, man.
Joe Hayden
But we score. But. But what if this was a fifth? If it was a fifth, you would be on the. On the lo. So, I mean, I am.
James Debo Harrison
We could.
Joe Hayden
Yes. So he. So it's good. So we got it. Touchdown, Browns.
James Debo Harrison
Dude, I hate this.
Joe Hayden
Let's get back out now. This is 10 0.
James Debo Harrison
Yeah. I said. Yeah.
Joe Hayden
It's 10 0. Off the rip.
James Debo Harrison
First down. Roger hit Smith. I think about 4 yards. Second down was incomplete.
Joe Hayden
Yeah. Yeah. Not incomplete. It was a pass breakup. That's Tyson.
James Debo Harrison
No, it was incomplete.
Joe Hayden
You're going to hear about this man a lot. Don't try. Number seven and number 21, Denzel Ward and Tyson Campbell, are the best cornerback duo in the league. I can go ahead and stamp that. Them boys about the strapping. Okay. Go ahead, Debo. You're right. It's third down now, right?
James Debo Harrison
Yeah. Yeah. And y' all get that third down, we pick up a hot Twinkie six. But you know what? Call that. That was BS Dude. That was BS you know it was bs. Say it was BS it was.
Joe Hayden
Okay, that one. That one was.
James Debo Harrison
Yes.
Joe Hayden
Because my man reached his arm out. He did. He did kind of go in there to kind of set him up, and then he did. He did a great job. The receiver. I'm not calling. That was a great job of receiver. He didn't do no pick. My man reached his arm out to kind of make it look crazy. That was not. That was not.
James Debo Harrison
Y' all getting help and all.
Joe Hayden
That was not.
James Debo Harrison
Man. They trying to, man.
Joe Hayden
Oh, go ahead.
James Debo Harrison
It put us to 30, 16, but.
Joe Hayden
Then we gave it right back.
James Debo Harrison
Only picking up 11.
Joe Hayden
They gave it right back.
James Debo Harrison
Okay. Washington picked up 11 on that. Okay. And I think that's when he actually hurt his arm on that play, right?
Joe Hayden
Yeah. They say he broke his arm on that joint, I think.
James Debo Harrison
But he stayed in. Yeah, he didn't come out. He didn't come out to the next catch. Yes, but he stayed in there on that because I seen him moving how he was moving that arm on the next. On the next place. But your boy Drinkins. Hey, listen.
Joe Hayden
See, that's what I'm saying.
James Debo Harrison
Y' all know how to win. You don't know when. Oh, we stopped him. I've never been here. He was too.
Joe Hayden
That's what I was pissed off at him. But at the same time, it was some baby. It was baby stuff. He was like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All that big Washington trying to go back. You got to chill for sure. That was terrible. But it was a little bit of.
James Debo Harrison
A. I don't care. He. He got what he deserved. Yeah.
Joe Hayden
It was a get back call, cuz that. Because y' all shouldn't have got the dag on that. That one that we gave the pass interference right before.
James Debo Harrison
I don't want to hear it, man.
Joe Hayden
That was. That's what it was.
James Debo Harrison
The next play.
Joe Hayden
War.
James Debo Harrison
Go for five on y'. All. Okay. Okay. And then Rogers hit Washington and you know, that put us the third one. Washington ended up coming out after that. He never. He never came back.
Joe Hayden
Then Connor hits us with the fake tush push. Yeah.
James Debo Harrison
For 29 to the Cleveland 22.
Joe Hayden
That was a good way.
James Debo Harrison
I like the next play. We swing that pass. Well, we lost six on that swing, though.
Joe Hayden
Yes, you did.
James Debo Harrison
Damn, that put us to third and 13.
Joe Hayden
Yes, you did.
James Debo Harrison
We try to screen the game well. It's incomplete. We go for field gold and. I don't know, we get it. The hold is kind of janky, but we get. We get. We get it. It's three. We probably should have. I mean, I don't know. It's three to ten. It don't matter. Okay, Browns, get back out there. Dude, when did Judy start catching the ball?
Joe Hayden
That's what I. Look, I'm just as unfamiliar as you. Them dudes started hitting. They was just running right on time curl routes, hitting them right in the windows, hitting them where he needed to be. And they're good passes right in the hands. You're a professional receiver, Judy, like, just catch it, you know? What I'm saying, he was doing what he needed to do. He was catching the ball that he needed to catch.
James Debo Harrison
So McQueen made a nice play. He came through that thing.
Joe Hayden
Uh huh.
James Debo Harrison
And then here come this dude. Judy again. 15. Yes. Dig.
Joe Hayden
Right on time. Shador throwing the ball right in between the zones. Great. These are good passes. The bad pass that he had, that ended up being the touchdown. I'm g. Let him know the good and the bad. These are good dimes that he's throwing on time.
James Debo Harrison
Yeah. McQueen come through with another nice play. He dropping from one. And then. Hey, hey. The pocket is closing on shadow.
Joe Hayden
No, for sure.
James Debo Harrison
Pocket is closing on sh. That man Highsmith said. Hey, come here. Get over here.
Joe Hayden
We get a little dim.
James Debo Harrison
And then y' all were so scared. You don't see a false start.
Joe Hayden
We got a false start. False start. So scared.
James Debo Harrison
So scared.
Joe Hayden
So scared. Shador scrambles it. We get 10. We get 4th and 7.
James Debo Harrison
Hey, listen. And he almost got put out the game. You lucky he ain't get that hit on him. He wanted to get on him.
Joe Hayden
Yeah. I'm glad he got down. We good. We good. We good. Fourth and seven. I don't know. Was it because the weather that we didn't kick a field goal there?
James Debo Harrison
I don't care that you didn't kick a field goal.
Joe Hayden
I'm just saying with the 34, you went for it.
James Debo Harrison
That was foolish.
Joe Hayden
That was foolish.
James Debo Harrison
Foolish.
Joe Hayden
I don't like that one. I don't need to know why.
James Debo Harrison
Yeah. We get the ball back and what Warren do on. On the first play.
Joe Hayden
15.
James Debo Harrison
15. What he doing the next one? He picked up FOMO.
Joe Hayden
And then guess what?
James Debo Harrison
You didn't.
Joe Hayden
Then guess what happens. Seat belt time. Seat belt.
James Debo Harrison
That was no seat belt time. He ain't catch it.
Joe Hayden
But he said it was strapped. What you don't do is throw the slot fade. You start going for mbs. Aaron Rodgers is a small quarterback slot fade to mbs. Del Pit. No, that's strapped. Third. Yes. Then you want to go back.
James Debo Harrison
Then we got another incompletion on the next one.
Joe Hayden
No, you didn't. You didn't. You got strapped up by my man, Tyson Gamble. Seat belt time. 3rd and 6.
James Debo Harrison
We wasn't catching the ball. We was making bad plays.
Joe Hayden
Their hands are in. DB's hands are in the cookie jar.
James Debo Harrison
They're.
Joe Hayden
They're batting those passes down. They're ripping hands out. They're punching balls out. Yes, that's what happened. So they got seatbelt time on. Second and six by Del Petting. The slot by the ball. And then your boy got the ball. Yep.
James Debo Harrison
We punt the ball. We punt the ball.
Joe Hayden
Yes.
James Debo Harrison
Get into that. We just punt the rock.
Joe Hayden
Okay, okay.
James Debo Harrison
Okay. Let's get to this. Okay.
Joe Hayden
Yeah. Let's go.
James Debo Harrison
Hey, hey. Y' all come out. Y' all go back to back run plays. Y' all think, you know, it ain't nothing. It puts it about third.
Joe Hayden
Yep.
James Debo Harrison
You know, hit. He hit Bond for six again.
Joe Hayden
Another cross cheese. Okay.
James Debo Harrison
Do nothing. We did it to ourselves.
Joe Hayden
Okay, let's go. Okay. Yep.
James Debo Harrison
Chadora scrambled for a hot little four. And then he hits your boy. Judy was 12, you know, cuz we don't. We ain't looking, we ain't seeing. We trying to, you know.
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Joe Hayden
Hey, high Smith. A lot of pressure.
James Debo Harrison
What happened after Judy Got that 12?
Joe Hayden
This is this and. And this is a lot of pressure. My man gets hit while he's throwing in the back tip. And Sawyer picks it. Takes it Back to the 30.
James Debo Harrison
Take it back to the 30.
Joe Hayden
That's just unfortunate. That's unfortunate. Hey, that's unfortunate.
James Debo Harrison
We get out there. Yeah. We get dropped. I mean, it's better than the sack, I guess.
Joe Hayden
Yeah. I don't know what kind of play. That whole play was this bad. He was just behind the line of scrimmage the whole time.
James Debo Harrison
Then we. We handed to Warren. He gets six. Yeah. Seven. Roger scrambled for three, bro.
Joe Hayden
God, you got to just die. He slid. He slid. He's 50, though, bro. He gotta protect.
James Debo Harrison
He ain't no 50. He younger than me. He's 42.
Joe Hayden
He's 50. Debo. He know. He know. He gonna get hit. He might got to protect himself. He dive, get concussed. Oh, man. Gotta slide.
James Debo Harrison
We go for it on fourth down, bro. We do the tush push, they call a timeout, they change the play. And then you go and try.
Joe Hayden
That's what I'm. You throwing it to Scotty Mitchell on a fade ball versus Tyson Campbell. This is what I'm saying.
James Debo Harrison
What are we doing?
Joe Hayden
You got Thielen and fire move down here working versus Delpit and the linebacker. They ran a nice little rub route. Play around there. You got. That's why Thielen's in for the little 4th and ones. Gets a linebacker. You know what I'm saying? Throw that pl. I saw.
James Debo Harrison
I saw it.
Joe Hayden
He motioned over there. Him and Thielen, him and Firemoofer in like a little pick play. And he had it right there. Right in front of a rod for like a two yard game. First down, he ends up choosing. You know what I'm saying? A rod. You choose to throw that fade ball over there versus that seat belt that been strapping him up the whole game. And now you want to throw it over there on four for one.
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Joe Hayden
You're bugging. I don't. I'm not mad at the play. I'm mad at the play. I'm mad at the decision maker there. I'm at a rod. You got to throw that to Thielen for the quick one.
James Debo Harrison
You. You. You. You damn sure don't sound mad. I promise you that.
Joe Hayden
No, no. I mean, look, hey, I want the.
James Debo Harrison
Ball back in the first play. Hey, I wanted to tell you this sooner, but I ain't gonna tell you. I tell you now. Stop. That little pat. That little pat and waiting. That get in the NFL. They get him that hot. That hot hand, that hot step, that. That six inches they need to get to where they got to go. Did that drop that one?
Joe Hayden
That should have been supposed to be a pick six. That should have been seven days out of seven. That play right there. Shador, that was terrible ball. That was super late. You cannot even. Don't even think about that in the league. That's. That's not. You throw it out of bag.
James Debo Harrison
You can't do that.
Joe Hayden
You cannot do that. You're going to hurt your team. You'll never. You're going to harm your team 99% of the time more than.
James Debo Harrison
I like that he did. I just don't like that we didn't capitalize.
Joe Hayden
I mean, that could have been the definition. That would have been the difference of the whole game. Because Shador that one and the other one that he threw the fan in for a touchdown. If Dugger's looking, that could have been a pick. This one right here could have been a pick six. So not like the. The Steelers defense was very opportunistic, but the Browns ended up. If it was the fifth, but we ended up making the plays. They just got to pick those off. It could have been a completely different game.
James Debo Harrison
Yeah, we ended up forcing three and out.
Joe Hayden
Yes, you.
James Debo Harrison
Did Stillers get the ball? I think it was like a minute 51 left. A first down gain. Well, was like a two little two yard. I think Rogers finally connected with. What is it, MSV or. Yeah, mbs. MBS for seven. Followed by gain wealth.
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James Debo Harrison
For 8 in a first down again game well for 10. Ran over your boy.
Joe Hayden
I love game well huh.
James Debo Harrison
We clock it Rogers then hit my boy fryer move.
Joe Hayden
That's and this is what I'm saying on this drive too. You see that fire move gain. Well he's using the middle of the field, not going outside to the guys like Ward and them are strapping go against the one legged linebacker.
James Debo Harrison
First down and 10 at Cleveland. What? 28 incomplete on first down. False start. Then second down to Thielen.
Joe Hayden
Huh.
James Debo Harrison
We clock it again. Fourth down field goal six.
Joe Hayden
Debo, I'm gonna need a little more juice from you. I'm gonna need a little more juice from you. It's halftime now. You guys just walked down there, got a field goal. Is the score 10 to 6?
James Debo Harrison
Scores? 10 to 6.
Joe Hayden
Okay, now it's the third quarter.
James Debo Harrison
We come out with the Rock.
Joe Hayden
Yes, you do. Yes, you do.
James Debo Harrison
First down is to talk to Smith for Sam. Come on. Down is warrant for Sam.
Joe Hayden
Great drive, starters.
James Debo Harrison
Next play. We gotta suck.
Joe Hayden
Yes. Del Pitt, strip, sack a rod, pop.
James Debo Harrison
The ball out that thing and go another seven. Second down.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, he's getting lucky. He's catching and fumbling and picking it up.
James Debo Harrison
I don't want to hear nothing about that, man.
Joe Hayden
Both of those. Y' all fumbled the ball twice right there and ended up being able to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Punt.
James Debo Harrison
Third down is incomplete. You missed something. We gotta punt the Rock back over. Dude, offense just killing me right now.
Joe Hayden
Offense wasn't doing nothing. The defense was strapping and then high school.
James Debo Harrison
Dude. This is a. This is a practice squad. Running back, he got five. Next play, y'. All. Y' all been holding people.
Joe Hayden
All my man, Cam Robinson, brother, number 68. I love him, but you got to do better. This is not good. It's been bad. I've been speaking on this for a couple of weeks that you just. You shouldn't know your name. I shouldn't know your name.
James Debo Harrison
We get a nice play on second and 14, and that was a BS roughing, man.
Joe Hayden
No, it wasn't. I love. That's Big Cam, big body talking about something. He putting his arms on like he want to. Like he want to say it like he want to surf on my man. I'm like, that's not. That's putting even more body weight.
James Debo Harrison
Surf.
Joe Hayden
Yes, he did. He did his arms like this and then looked up at the ref.
James Debo Harrison
I'm like, I ain't gonna lie.
Joe Hayden
You're hovering on him. You're planking on my man, right?
James Debo Harrison
You got. You got. If he had put both hands out like that, it would have been different, but he got it. I mean, it was.
Joe Hayden
You got to put your hand on.
James Debo Harrison
The ground and they don't call it. I ain't gonna lie.
Joe Hayden
Put your hands on the ground and stay off of him. He like this laying on buddy like. I'm like, you putting your whole chest on him.
James Debo Harrison
Yeah.
Joe Hayden
That's body weight and can't. Big butt, big boy, bro.
James Debo Harrison
Yeah, I under. Like I said, I understand, but I just really don't want to understand. It's the fan of me that don't want to understand it.
Joe Hayden
You know, player and me know it. Yes.
James Debo Harrison
You know what? I'm saying that's the problem. You know what I'm saying? The fan in me wants this, but the player in me knows it shouldn't be that. Yes. Y' all get it, like one yard on first down, three on second, third down. You hit. What was that, Canela? Yeah. What a first down. And then the next play, High smooth. Y' all get scared again.
Joe Hayden
That's my man. That's your boy. 68, false start.
James Debo Harrison
And again on second at 14, down from the backside sacking Shadow. Shadow ain't fast enough to get away from high Smith. Stop playing with me, man. Stop playing with me.
Joe Hayden
I'm not mad at it, though. He ain't do nothing dumb. Don't turn the ball over. You know what I'm saying? They come, you gotta punt the rock.
James Debo Harrison
Back over to us.
Joe Hayden
Yes.
James Debo Harrison
Yeah.
Joe Hayden
Yeah. What do you guys do? This is where.
James Debo Harrison
Yeah.
Joe Hayden
You need to start drinking that. That dark now, because y' all up, then we up. 10, 6. Y' all get the ball back. What's. What. What's poppin?
James Debo Harrison
Debo Warren hit us for high low, you know, high low. 3. Hello.
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Joe Hayden
This is a great. This was the Great. This was a great drive. This is the best drive.
James Debo Harrison
Hey, then. Then it was mvv. What?
Joe Hayden
The mvs. Valdez Scantry Scantrels.
James Debo Harrison
Valdez Scantrus.
Joe Hayden
Yes.
James Debo Harrison
For the first down. Then Roger said, let me go ahead. Hit, hit. Go back to Smith. Back to back plays. 3 and 8. We get the 3 and 5. Rogers to Miller.
Joe Hayden
Yep. 8.
James Debo Harrison
Nice catch. Where was. Where was y' all at?
Joe Hayden
I'm. This is just. This is Yalls best drive, D. Well, go ahead.
James Debo Harrison
Get him four on the next one. And they say, hey, man, go get you some of that out there. It's sweet. Warren said, let me get some 13.
Joe Hayden
Fourth quarter.
James Debo Harrison
Yeah, it was. It was a no gain. I think we lost a couple yards. I don't. I don't know what. I don't know what the dude was doing.
Joe Hayden
Third and 13.
James Debo Harrison
He wasn't trying to block nobody. That was like. You don't even block the man that you're supposed to. Where was he going? Where was MVS or vs? Vvs? Where was he going on that plate? When he threw out that screen, where was he going?
Joe Hayden
I don't know.
James Debo Harrison
Third down, we get a sack. We missed a field goal. Browns get ball.
Joe Hayden
Oh, bankroll. That's we. I thought that hurt. We wasn't expecting that, Debo. We all skipping all that. Long drive.
James Debo Harrison
I said it.
Joe Hayden
Not a dollar.
James Debo Harrison
No, I said it. All right.
Joe Hayden
Make Sure. I didn't.
James Debo Harrison
I did say it.
Joe Hayden
All right.
James Debo Harrison
Goodness. Y' all come out there and y' all do what y' all do. Foster.
Joe Hayden
Oh, my gosh. Now, this is where I tell you the same. I don't just sit out here and just talk to. Just to talk. If you do good, you do good. If you do bad, you do bad. We did not do good on this drive. We got Joe Petonio, my man. Hall of Fame respected Joe Petonio. He had a false start. But when we throw this damn pick, when Shador throws this pick, you cannot do that in any stretch. Throw it out of bounds, across your body. Late and high and wobbly.
James Debo Harrison
Listen, he ain't had no choice.
Joe Hayden
Yes, he did.
James Debo Harrison
No, he didn't.
Joe Hayden
He was outside on that. He was on the hash on one side of the field and threw it all the way on the other side of the field. Once you're on that hash, you're damn near. You're outside the tackle box.
James Debo Harrison
You could just go into pressure, Joe.
Joe Hayden
No, no, no.
James Debo Harrison
He was applying pressure. The boy threw it up to sa.
Joe Hayden
He cannot. That is a bad play. Quarterback play. That's a terrible interception.
James Debo Harrison
He can throw that ball. First play gain. Well, go for 15. Second and eight. Man, he hit Smith for seven. 31. We false start.
Joe Hayden
Yeah. 31, false start. Great job. Great job. 60 makes it third and six.
James Debo Harrison
Then we get an incomplete, complete pass.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how you stand up. That's how the defense stands up. You know, sudden change. That's good defensive play.
James Debo Harrison
Lord, help me, please.
Joe Hayden
But that's bad offensive play because got y' all were there. Third and one, false start. Ah, come on. Yeah. Here we go, Brownies.
James Debo Harrison
Yeah, here we go, Brownies.
Joe Hayden
We get the ball back and we run for 25 yards.
James Debo Harrison
It don't matter. All y' all know how to do is hold.
Joe Hayden
No, man, if we got two, we got y'.
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James Debo Harrison
Don't block your hole, bro.
Joe Hayden
We have so many injuries on the line right now. But number 72 and number 68, those two guys are going to have to work on the off season, or we're going to get somebody.
James Debo Harrison
They got to do whatever they got to do. It's three and out.
Joe Hayden
We had 20.
James Debo Harrison
Y' all point the bar. And what we do. What y'.
Joe Hayden
All.
James Debo Harrison
What y' all special teams do?
Joe Hayden
We low key loafed. We low key Loaf. But Scotty Miller.
James Debo Harrison
Oh, my goodness.
Joe Hayden
Dude had a great return.
James Debo Harrison
I ain't got nothing to come up, too.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But go Ahead. What? What happened? Warren runs for seven, tackle for loss.
James Debo Harrison
And he lose two and third and four.
Joe Hayden
Y' all are running it on third and four.
James Debo Harrison
We should be running.
Joe Hayden
I mean, punt the ball.
James Debo Harrison
Cool. Whatever. Whatever. Browns got to get out there running for his life again on second down. Third and one and what we do? We showed you how we treat practice squad running back. We stuffed that boy. We did Nathan, y'.
Joe Hayden
All.
James Debo Harrison
Punta. Right back to us. Right back to us.
Joe Hayden
Two minutes, 16 seconds left. Steelers got the ball. 20 yard line. It's time. What's up? Three timeouts.
James Debo Harrison
First and ten, you throw a first.
Joe Hayden
And ten, you throw a slot. Fade to MVS.
James Debo Harrison
Why?
Joe Hayden
I don't know.
James Debo Harrison
He ain't adjusted to one ball all game.
Joe Hayden
I'm looking at it also, like, the only drives y' all really did when fire move is getting it. Gainwell's getting it. You're throwing it down the middle. Every time you throw the MVs. He's getting strapped. He's getting strapped. Second to 10 miles on his. Then he's scared and spooked about Miles. He looking around, too, making sure Miles was not going to get that sack.
James Debo Harrison
I told you he wasn't getting the sack.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, you rather lose? You rather lose or you rather win him? Get the sack, man.
James Debo Harrison
I'd rather boy have five sacks right now.
Joe Hayden
That's what I'm saying.
James Debo Harrison
Five sacks right now, bro.
Joe Hayden
Then fourth and 10, Debo. Fourth and 10.
James Debo Harrison
I'm not going for that, dude.
Joe Hayden
I got.
James Debo Harrison
I got, I got. This is why I'm not going for it. Dude. I got three timeouts. My defense has been stopping them. You ain't been doing nothing all game. I'm all you already right there. The field goal kicker just knocked the 50 down the middle. I'm not going for it. I'mma kick. I'mma punt the ball off. He's been selling all day anyway. All season, y' all been selling. I'mma give you an opportunity to sell again. We go for it. We don't get it. No, you don't get no more than five yards on the next series.
Joe Hayden
We just trying to knock the timeout. We just try and get another three. We just want some more points. That's it.
James Debo Harrison
We got three timeouts now.
Joe Hayden
Cool.
James Debo Harrison
But we starting from the 35, bro. I would rather had started somewhere we might have. Could have even got.
Joe Hayden
Like I said, y' all special teams.
James Debo Harrison
Been selling all year. Giving up returns with touchdowns, fumbling the ball.
Joe Hayden
Look, look, look. No, no, let'.
James Debo Harrison
Get.
Joe Hayden
Let's. Let's finish this game. And then we can get all the way down to the breakdown or whatever. How you really feel?
James Debo Harrison
So we get our.
Joe Hayden
We get our field goal, we kick it off to y'. All. Y' all got the ball. A minute and 40 left. Okay. 35 yard line, bruh.
James Debo Harrison
First down, we go to Miller.
Joe Hayden
It's nice. Nice.
James Debo Harrison
It's 28 on the second down to Friar. Move.
Joe Hayden
Then Friday for 29. Yes. Then finals again.
James Debo Harrison
They just. They.
Joe Hayden
They.
James Debo Harrison
Now you want to get to him now. It's.
Joe Hayden
It's.
James Debo Harrison
We should have been getting to him then.
Joe Hayden
Every good drive. They all right. No, no, keep going.
James Debo Harrison
It's first and 10 at what? It's first and goal at the 10, right?
Joe Hayden
Yes. And that's when you hit Thielen for five yard out. Like four yard out. Whatever.
James Debo Harrison
Like three, whatever it was. And then next three plays, we go to the dude who ain't adjusted to nothing all game. The second down, you supposed to got across his face.
Joe Hayden
You got across Denzel Ward's face. But that's the warden. He's not rocking with that. You're not crossing his face. He's strapping it up. You're MBS going versus Denzel Ward. Why are you throwing it over?
James Debo Harrison
You almost caused him kick, bruh.
Joe Hayden
Yes.
James Debo Harrison
Get across his face and body catch it. Yes.
Joe Hayden
Third down.
James Debo Harrison
Just a bad throw.
Joe Hayden
Bad throw back. Shoulder fade. What kind? I don't even know what kind of fade that was.
James Debo Harrison
He can't adjust it. Don't matter what it was.
Joe Hayden
It didn't matter. It was on Denzel Ward and MVS again. You tried the best defensive.
James Debo Harrison
That was a bad throw. The DBA had nothing to do with it, man.
Joe Hayden
He was right there. All I'm saying are you. That's. It's easy to say if he's not there, but then when he right there, he right there. Then fourth and fourth.
James Debo Harrison
I didn't do nothing. We ourselves.
Joe Hayden
Fourth and goal deed up again.
James Debo Harrison
He dropped that one.
Joe Hayden
No, he dropped mine.
James Debo Harrison
It was in his hands.
Joe Hayden
You out your mind? That's good defense. You see the way my man, the deep, he's putting his arms in there. He's breaking that man apart. He's breaking his arms apart. That's great defensive back play. Me watching Denzel Ward do that.
James Debo Harrison
Class.
Joe Hayden
Class personified. D up and you don't go. I felt like Richard Sherman went crab sheet. He don't try me with a sorry receiver. But you know what Ward did? Ward was like, I'm trying to wonder, what was your game plan? Like, why you gonna Go with me three times in a row for the game. You could go somewhere else. Fire. Move. Got you down there. Game well going against the linebackers and safeties in the inside, that's what got all the big plays that we got to get down the field was that then you want to go to.
James Debo Harrison
You making like y' all did something, bruh, we did got issue, bro. Like, I really didn't think this was going for us to win, bro. Like, the Browns was giving up only, like, 163 yards passing over the last three games, so I really wasn't tripping on missing DK in Austin. Rogers got, what, 168, so that was about what the average was. But they were giving up over five yards of rush the last three games. We actually got like five and a half of rush, but we only rested like, 24 times, bro. I think we should have tried to at least stick to trying to run the ball more because we were never out of the game and behind and had to pass until we got to the end. Like, all that with a rookie linebacker playing on one leg and still making plays. I would have tried to go at him every play or do something that made him have to move and be able to go and move around. Like, dude, we aren't able to adjust in matters like that. Like, I don't think we did enough. Like, you gotta take advantage of that. Along with a focus of, dude not letting Garrett get the sack. If we run the ball, we automatically play with his ability to be able to get the sack, bruh. We 3 of 15 on third down, 0 of 4 on fourth down. The one where the defense gave them the ball at the 31 is one of them that zero came away with. And then we ain't scoring nothing in the red zone, bro. We ain't getting no tighties in the red zone. That at that we missed a field goal. Come on, man.
Joe Hayden
All that being said is correct, okay? The Steelers, you had opportunities. You created. The defense didn't do a bad job. The defense definitely didn't. They had opportunities where they could have did better. When we dropped the damn interception with Herbic, hit him right in the hands on that seven row where Harmon caught the. Where Harold caught the touchdown.
James Debo Harrison
You doing a lot of weed with all that Cleveland stuff on, bro.
Joe Hayden
Debo, this is what. This is why I can talk like this. This is what I'm trying to say. I realize now I'm a Browns fan. For real. For real.
James Debo Harrison
Oh, my goodness.
Joe Hayden
I'm a Browns fan. I love the Browns I can't.
James Debo Harrison
But dude, any other team, if they.
Joe Hayden
Play anybody else, if they play anybody, if they play anybody. If the Steelers play anybody but the Browns, it's the Steelers. But if they play the Browns and they can still make the playoffs, I want the Browns to win. I know the city because now. Cause the way you be talk like Cleveland just so shitty. Oh, they're so talented.
James Debo Harrison
No, no, no. I will say this. Our defense did enough to win. Okay, yes, that, that is, that is something. But sometimes you have to go win it. And when we miss a couple opportunities like we did, that's. That could have changed the game. Like you were saying, the first one is the first quarter with the Fanning, dude, that should have been an incompletion. The best like that could have been cut down in into a field goal and then like they all y' all already missing junkins. And what's the tight end? What the tight end Name is the.
Joe Hayden
One number 44, Harold Fanning.
James Debo Harrison
No, no, no, no, no.
Joe Hayden
The tight end that you don't, you don't have.
James Debo Harrison
Joku. Joku ain't there. You got a Jimmy rigged O line. You got a rookie quarterback that torched us dude in the first quarter and that's all he needed to do. That dude went 5 or 7 in the first quarter for 101 yards in a touchdown.
Joe Hayden
Yes. And yes, that's all you need.
James Debo Harrison
That was just the first first quarter. But dude, that's all he needed. That's all he needed because the rest of the game he ended up finished 186 with two interceptions. Yeah, gave that up in the first quarter, dude. And second one was the miss pick six.
Joe Hayden
Yes.
James Debo Harrison
Would have been six by herbic, dude. Like bro, over the last eight, nine years, dude, this is what happens when we get into situations like this. A must win games. We don't close it out. And we are losing to bad teams and we're losing to them late in the season. Dude. You can't do that and expect to get what anything other than what we've been getting. Dude, just above 500 season with no playoff wins since 2016. And that means you're drafting 15 16. And it's very hard, very difficult to find a diamond in the rough quarterback. And that's what we need for the future of our Steelers. Is for my Steelers. To hell with you. Is we need a quarterback, bruh. And to be honest with you, bro, I highly doubt if we find it because since our last playoff win in 2016, we can't even pick right on the first and second rounders, dude, we done made more misses than hits on our first and second rounders, bro. It's only two players on our squad that got extended in that time frame to a long term deal when it came that time. And that's TJ and Friar moves. And that's all on Coach T, man. Like you're making that final. You're making the decision on your ones and twos and you're telling me that of all that from 16 to the timeframe of everybody that comes up for renewal, we've only renewed two guys. That means you had to self admit you made a mistake by not renewing them. Dude, you know what?
Joe Hayden
Do you not like Howard? Lil? Will Howard?
James Debo Harrison
I think, dude, I don't care about Will Howard, dude, but I don't care like, I don't need to like dislike dude, but, but if he's not gonna put him in there above Rogers. Stop it, man.
Joe Hayden
No, no, not, not, not above Rogers. This is what I'm saying. Rogers on this team right now, I feel like he's. He just didn't make. He didn't play that well this game. When he had that fourth down, he went for, he, he went to stupid options. Aaron Rodgers is a smart man. And you know the same way when he had Gainwell playing against the Lions, he said, hey, go out there, run a fade, you know what I'm saying? Matchups. He knows it's in man to man game, line back. And obviously this is what I'm trying to say, though. Why the did you do that last game? Last game he just played bad.
James Debo Harrison
Aaron Rodgers is going to be here one year, bro. Stop.
Joe Hayden
Oh no.
James Debo Harrison
After this year, our organization period, bro. That's what I'm talking about. I don't care about this game anymore. I'm talking about the future of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Joe Hayden
All right, what about.
James Debo Harrison
So then when you think about this.
Joe Hayden
You know what, Go ahead, go ahead.
James Debo Harrison
I'm gonna say this, okay? So I ain't gonna give my sources, dude. Okay, I've been, I've been around still. I've been through the organization since boy 2002. So I know some people. And we had a chance in 2016 in the fourth round to get a diamond in the rough, but we drafted a quarterback. I mean, but we drafted a tackle at 122, 123, right? All right, that was with us maybe two, three years. We passed on a quarterback that was a diamond in the rough that we could have got that they wanted to get but didn't do it. Guess who that quarterback was. Oh, that Prescott. Dallas got him at 135 but that didn't happen for a variety of reasons that I won't get into. But it needs to be a change in this organization from the top down and I know with almost 100 certainty that that change will not happen until after the 2026 season. Okay.
Joe Hayden
Okay, bet like I can't, I can't fight against any insider information that I don't know of. But I'm saying for sure I feel you they need to do quarterback Rodgers ain't going to be there. They're going to have to start hopefully seeing what will Howard has like under learning under a rod and then drafting somebody hopefully that they can pick in the draft. Because like you said, they do need a quarterback. That's the thing in Pittsburgh.
James Debo Harrison
That's no question. We done lost to them. Now we sitting here, we got to fight for our life. And even with that happening, dude, even with that happening, we still have a chance to win the division playoffs. Win the division. We have to beat Baltimore. That's the game, bro.
Joe Hayden
That's the crazy.
James Debo Harrison
I hate that's the crazy in this.
Joe Hayden
Position when you don't have to be.
James Debo Harrison
Don't have to be, dude. Honestly not. I honestly feel like we're going to get bounced out by Baltimore. At home. At home, bruh. And right now I hope Lamar comes back, bro. Because I would rather want him to be because the Huntley can get a gear right now that Lamar Jackson can't get to or is afraid to get to because he's going to pull something. And I also think that with Lamar in there we gonna have a better chance of winning simply because the Ravens, I feel would be stupid enough not to give Derrick Henry the ball to 35.
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James Debo Harrison
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah.
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James Debo Harrison
Ah.
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James Debo Harrison
42. And we won't have DK because he's the person that killed them last time. And we see what we're getting now when we try and get a ball to the person in DK's position and it's not working. Add that along with we're not going to have Washington. I'm not counting us to get many.
Joe Hayden
Boy, I, I, I, I'll tell you one thing. If you're saying that you like them to play Lamar Jackson because they're not going to make Derrick Henry run the ball 35 times, I respectfully agree with you. I would rather have Lamar Jackson in there just because make it be 12 more pass plays to where we instead of keep. If you got Huntley, you know, like, all right, you're gonna do as much you can, but you got King Henry here. We're gonna keep giving this man the ball.
James Debo Harrison
Dude, they fed that ball. They fed that man the ball so much and they still kept running it when he was out.
Joe Hayden
That was crazy.
James Debo Harrison
They not go do that with Lamar in the game.
Joe Hayden
I can respect you saying that for sure.
James Debo Harrison
Yeah, dude, he's. He got gears and move, bruh. He got gears, dude, he got gears. Lamar ain't pulling his gears right now, dude. He too Worried about. He's too worried about that leg to Hammy. He ain't getting there. He ain't even trying to run as much as he. Dude is like, yo, if it ain't there. And I see it now, they handed him the rock. Now that, that, that option, it got teeth.
Joe Hayden
I'm. This is what I'm saying too. This is why I would be blown for real if I was a. Still as a stillness. Steelers fans, the Browns, I'm happy because they just didn't go out there, just didn't lay an egg, act like they didn't care, knowing that they're mathematically eliminated. You see your people out there fighting the Steelers. I'm like, you are still fighting for the division and you could be able to go win this, beat the Browns and be able to go out and not have to worry about beating the Ravens. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can control your own destiny. You still control it because you have to beat the team that you play. But it's just like that part of like, why do you always have to make it into something harder? We just go out there, do what we got to do, handle business, have a play a good game, win the game. And now, you know what I'm saying? We can chill, we can rest, we can try to get TJ right every dk, whatever.
James Debo Harrison
You know, I would highly. I would highly doubt on seeing TJ for this game. And that's just in my opinion of what. You know, I've just read about when you have to have surgery to have your lung re inflated.
Joe Hayden
That.
James Debo Harrison
That. That's your lung, bro.
Joe Hayden
No, for sure.
James Debo Harrison
It's not like I can, I can go and make this stronger. No, you got to let that heal. You know how you out there, you running, you tired and you get that blood taste in your. In your mouth. Yeah. You're going so hard. He can't do that. That could be a start of another bleed, a deflation and all that. Like, he has to heal, heal. And look at, like I said, same thing. Look at the. What was his name? The quarterback. When they, when they punched his mind, it was, it was. It was like four weeks.
Joe Hayden
It was a month.
James Debo Harrison
He was back as said as full, but he still didn't play. And you're talking about like, you gotta hit chest open. Like, that's a lot, dude. Cutting into your body. You gotta have all. Like, that's a lot.
Joe Hayden
No, no, no, for sure.
James Debo Harrison
The healing itself, it. It's. It's not much that could speed that up. It's not like, oh, I'm healed and I gotta build strength. No, you gotta heal, heal.
Joe Hayden
You trying to get, trying to get air, right? Yeah, I'm with you, boo.
James Debo Harrison
Miles Garrett said pit care more about not giving the sack record than actually winning. Listen to this. To an extent, I feel like they're. They were more worried about keeping me away from, from Aaron than no getting the win. And I think that's what came back to bite him. So, you know, they'll have to, you know, fight it out with, with Baltimore next week. But I'm just proud of the guys for fighting and getting this one. That's the main thing. And I'm always going to keep it that. What do you, what do you think of that statement, Joe? Do you think they. They put extra emphasis on blocking, merit blocking Garrett to allow him to not allow him rather to get the sack record?
Joe Hayden
I think they always put the emphasis on making sure that they pay attention to Garrett. Like you said, we played him earlier in the year. He didn't have no sa. You know what I'm saying? They always make sure that they watch.
James Debo Harrison
I understand that, but he was single too.
Joe Hayden
No, no, no. I say on, on, on this game, I would think it was more of Aaron Rodgers than the. I think the play call and they always do that making sure you know where Miles Garrett's at, the pass rusher. You know what I'm saying? You always acknowledge you know where he's at. I think the A rod I saw him my damn self felt like he was looking over his shoulder a little bit, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes getting ready to try to get rid of the ball a little quicker. Like he didn't want to get sacked by Miles Garrett. From my eye test, I think from the play calling thing, they always make sure they know where Miles is at every time they play. He didn't have a sack last game. They always chipping him. They had Gainwell chipping him on the last drive of the game. I expected him. He should have been out in routes. He's still trying to chip Miles. So I see what Miles is saying. Cause I saw him literally kind of, I felt like he was looking over his shoulder.
James Debo Harrison
You're saying they gave him the same amount of attention this game as they did last game?
Joe Hayden
I think the team did. I think Aaron Rodgers is the legit quarterback that once he was in, once he has the ball in his hand, who the fuck is to tell him? I think he's. I saw him being quick like jittery and I think that's because he being.
James Debo Harrison
Quick all year, though, because he know he got to get it out. He know what he dealing with, man.
Joe Hayden
You asked me a question.
James Debo Harrison
I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you this. I think it was a little. A little emphasis on that because I seen this dude getting hit by three people. I ain't never seen him get hit by. I ain't seen him get hit by three people. Three people the last game, bro. Like. Like, they actually let Roddick, like, single him for a lot of the game, bro.
Joe Hayden
So you don't think.
James Debo Harrison
I didn't see him single Not. Not once? I don't think so.
Joe Hayden
You don't think they had any emphasis on it?
James Debo Harrison
Oh, I think we had emphasis on just stopping him because we didn't have, you know, Roddick in there and on top of it. Yes. We don't want to be. I wouldn't want to be, but I wouldn't change up my whole game plan. Game plan for it. And I feel like. I don't know, like, if you just run the ball and do what it is that we needed to do, which was run the ball, we wouldn't have.
Joe Hayden
To worry about it.
James Debo Harrison
We wouldn't have to worry about it. He wouldn't even be in. In positions and opportunities to get that done. He would have to be like, you know what? I gotta start squeezing down because I'm leaving a wide open hole here.
Joe Hayden
Yeah. Cause he started lining up over the slot receiver.
James Debo Harrison
Yes. He was wide, bro.
Joe Hayden
I'm like, my man want that sack bad.
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James Debo Harrison
Like, it didn't. It didn't. It made. It made zero to none. No sense, bro. We got. Who was it? The Bears, bro. The Bears and the 49ers, man. Everybody's just out there.
Joe Hayden
Yeah.
James Debo Harrison
That was the offensive battle of who could score the most. And, you know, at the very end. At the very end. I don't even want to say that the. The San Fran, like, like, stood up. I just want to say that they eventually forced him to have to throw the ball, like, because he was sitting there. It felt like it was 30 seconds, bro. Just running back and forth. He shook a sack and then he was just sitting there. The one lineman that was there made like he didn't want to run up there, and then he started to run up there like they were spooked. Dude, that was. Yeah, dude, that was. That was. That was the worst defensive performance I seen. Hell, The Bears had 110 rushing. Caleb passed for what? 332 tugs. But hell, San Francisco, they had 200 rushing. McCaffrey had a buck 40 by his damn self. And then Purdy, he passed a 303 with an interception. But hell, you know, he a gunslinger, man. And sometimes, you know, gunfighters, they get shot, man. He gets shot, but that ain't gonna stop him. He came right back out there and slang that thing some more, bro. So, you know, it's a good job by the 49ers offense of putting up more points.
Joe Hayden
And I respect the 49ers too, man. Cause they out there with a lot of their best players. They've been having injuries all year and they still been in.
James Debo Harrison
Yes. So like, next man up means the next man up over there.
Joe Hayden
Literally. Because they got. I mean, it's great play calling. They getting them in the right positions. It's like this, look as long as you right there. But Brock Purdy's doing a great job putting the ball in the spot. So they getting it around like shout out to 49ers for sure.
James Debo Harrison
Eagles defense went out there and beat the Bills and just basically came down to the defense. You know, they stood up when they needed them the most. Had that sack fumble that they recovered that turned into seven.
Joe Hayden
Stopped them on the one. Yep.
James Debo Harrison
Then they stopped them on the fourth down. And I think the other thing was the. They had a field goal. Not a field goal. They had an extra point that was blocked. Yeah. Which led them to trying to go for it on that two point conversion.
Joe Hayden
What do you feel like on that too?
James Debo Harrison
Debo, man, listen, let's kick this, let's kick this extra point and, and go into overtime.
Joe Hayden
Ah, I'm going for it. Then. I might be going for it.
James Debo Harrison
We done missed on a fourth already. We got sack fumbled. That turned it into seven.
Joe Hayden
Yes. That only reason why I'm looking at it. We got my best play. And especially I'm looking at it like that after the play call. We got it. I got in my best player's hands, the dudes wide open. I just didn't make the pass. We could score like in the day, walk out of this joint with a win.
James Debo Harrison
I'm just saying, Me personally, even though that was, you know, if he makes that throw, he makes a good throw. Yeah, game over. It's no me personally right there. I'm like, yo, I done fought all the way down here like, let's go ahead and do this and we go finish this.
Joe Hayden
Let's go ahead and go to overtime.
James Debo Harrison
Yeah, let's finish this in overtime.
Joe Hayden
I looked at it Them dudes ain't been really. They had the momentum going too. Like, they didn't score no points. And they finally got six in the fourth quarter and they got another one. So I'm like, man. And I know Josh Allen was ready to go for it. I'm looking at my best player. He like, we can get this two yards. I'm like, well, let's go get it. Then we gonna walk out of the stadium. I see what you're saying too. For sure. But right there, especially after they made the play call and the play was right there, I'm like, Josh Allen. 55 million a year. My man. He's wide open. Two yards for the game. He was so mad at himself too. Like, that's when I'm like, josh Allen. You know, the play call was good. You wanted that. But like, you just pissed. I know. Like, you want that play back bad. So I'm. I like him to go for it. I know he's sick at himself. Cause that's what you want to be in. I'm the boss.
James Debo Harrison
You missed that.
Joe Hayden
And I got him. Just a little step off joint. Walk off the TD.
James Debo Harrison
Yep. Yeah, for sure, man. They said ESPN, ESPN said they researched. I guess this in. The 2025 Eagles are the first team since the 1987 Patriots to win multiple games in the season in which they didn't complete a second half pass. That's crazy. Didn't complete a pass in the second half and still won the game. Philly improved at 9 and O this season when Hurts throws for fewer than 200 yards, bro. Damn. Run that rock. Running that rock.
Joe Hayden
That's what it looked like.
James Debo Harrison
You know what time it is?
Joe Hayden
Playoff.
James Debo Harrison
Presented by prize. Joe. You know how it works, baby. I made my lineup. Picks for Monday Night Football. Let's go. You either play or you fade. I ain't gonna lie. You faded me last time on that Shador thing. And you was right, bro. We had everything. I ain't gonna lie to you, bro.
Joe Hayden
Telling.
James Debo Harrison
That was the only one we got the. Yeah, we got. He got lucky. It was a half yard, bro.
Joe Hayden
That.
James Debo Harrison
It was a half yard. But stop playing with me, man. We got. We got. We got the Falcons and the Rams, bro. So look here, man. I got. I got. I got Puka. I got him. I got him for less, man. They talking about. He gonna get. He gonna get 108.5. They ain't giving up. They ain't giving up yards like that over there on the passing game with. I know. And they ain't gotta what's the name of the game? So I feel like they go. They go do some double teaming over there.
Joe Hayden
They have to.
James Debo Harrison
Okay, Bijan, he go. He gonna get 40. I feel like he gonna get more than 45 receiving because they don't. They don't. You know, they don't allow you to run, but they give up passing yards. And that's why I also have him for less. For less on the rushing. 72. 3. I mean, 73. 5. Nah, I think they like a buck and some change. And plus, they kind of rotate him in and out a little bit and all that, but. Yeah, I know. You saw that. I know. I got. I got. I got old sometime cousins being doing it this time because they give up close to what, you know, on the average. So I feel like, you know, he go. He go step in his bag a little bit and he go, you know, he go swing that thing around. You know, old Kirk Cousins, you know, I got him for mo, man. More than 225.5, Joe. Yo, what you gonna do, bro?
Joe Hayden
What you gonna do, man? Oh, man, I' ma go ahead because I need Puka to get under 108 yards. Cause I got a little. Yeah, man, I'm gonna go ahead and rock with this, Deebo. Okay, I'm gonna play this one. I'm gonna play this one.
James Debo Harrison
Okay. He gonna play it with your boy.
Joe Hayden
I feel like people gonna be mad because Puka might. But I think he might go under. He gonna go under this time.
James Debo Harrison
Now he got to go.
Joe Hayden
Got to. They're going triple team. They better.
James Debo Harrison
Let's go. Listen, man, Rocket, he go play with you, boy. So make sure y' all download the app today and use the code Debo Joe to get 50 in lineups after you play your first five dollar lineup. Tell your mama, your papa. Everybody, everybody. Joe, we got. We got some. We got some super chats.
Joe Hayden
What are we talking about? What they talking about?
James Debo Harrison
Chad. Chad. Ocho. Ocho Johnson donated a hundred.
Joe Hayden
That's my good man.
James Debo Harrison
Hey, no message.
Joe Hayden
Just donated a hundred because he already.
James Debo Harrison
I appreciate you. I still. I still appreciate you. No question about it. No message. Look, Ocho, no message, man. That's wild, child. You just donate.
Joe Hayden
No donate. That's. That's. That's his. What's up?
James Debo Harrison
Hey, hey, listen, man, the man got. He just. He just throwing money around, you know what's up. They over there night capping, seeing what's happening. Listen, Covenant Life is back 80 donation, man.
Joe Hayden
Shout out. Covenant.
James Debo Harrison
Covenant. Shout out. Shout out. Covenant. Lie. It's she said. She said baby Jesus cousin was more concerned about 95 than our division title. Who is baby Jesus cousin, though, man?
Joe Hayden
See, I'm telling you, she be coming with the craziness.
James Debo Harrison
She said. And he finally want to Throw passes with 2 minutes left in the game to be.
Joe Hayden
Oh, we told me that's a rod.
James Debo Harrison
To Vienna sausage scandal.
Joe Hayden
She calling baby Jesus a rod. Oh, yeah.
James Debo Harrison
She said, Vienna. Vienna sausage scandal. Vienna sausage scandal said, make it make sense. She said, now we have to play Sunday night. Oh, man. Where I would be having. Where I would be having Jesus wine all day. Ready to turn up. Ready to turn over tables.
Joe Hayden
They got covenant stressed out.
James Debo Harrison
Oh, my goodness. Dude, I love her. Hey. She also said, hey, guys, push these guys over 100k before the super bowl time. Joe. Yo, with the doodoo brown on. Damn is vexing me.
Joe Hayden
What?
James Debo Harrison
Vexing me.
Joe Hayden
I don't know.
James Debo Harrison
She said she can't handle it. She said she can't handle you scaring her off. I guess I'm scaring her off. She don't. She don't like you in the doodle brown.
Joe Hayden
Doodle brown. Okay.
James Debo Harrison
See?
Joe Hayden
All right, what about. Does she like orange? Is orange better? What if I just wore orange?
James Debo Harrison
No, no, no orange. No orange. Let's just check with her. Said nothing orange actually said, if anything orange you need to be. You need to be working on. On the road structure cruise.
Joe Hayden
Oh, collecting trash, whatever it may be.
James Debo Harrison
But it's no, no, no orange. Unless it's actually in the process of making a living. That is not for the. For the Cleveland mutts. Hey, Mac Fulton. 7,000, 710, shout out Joe Helm. Who is that.
Joe Hayden
Man? Mackie.
James Debo Harrison
That's it.
Joe Hayden
Called me my nickname. He called me he.
James Debo Harrison
That's my friend Mackie. He's hilarious. Big W for the dogs. Big deal.
Joe Hayden
For my dog Mackie.
James Debo Harrison
Your friend, he only donated 10. He ain't your friend. He don't care about you. Life over there, Stillers.
Joe Hayden
Oh, see? Covering life. Definite. Life donated because she liked both of us.
James Debo Harrison
Hey, look here. I don't want to hear nothing about both of us. 7, 007.
Joe Hayden
We talking about my dog, Matt.
James Debo Harrison
Get out of here. Big W for the dogs, y'. All. Y'. All. Y' all got lucky. Listen, the sun shine on every dog's ass once in a while.
Joe Hayden
Yeah, yeah, take your L. Okay? Take it.
James Debo Harrison
Listen, thank you guys for coming and joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Look here, man. Make sure y' all hit that like and subscribe button y' all don't want to miss nothing. We gonna be right back here tomorrow. Is there talking about what happened on Monday Night Football. And you know what else I'm gonna do? Just because. I'm gonna say just because we're good people and we love. I. Hell with Joe Love.
Joe Hayden
Not the hell Joe.
James Debo Harrison
You. Our Steeler fan base.
Joe Hayden
Love the Steeler.
James Debo Harrison
We're going to be giving away two sets of two tickets to watch us play the Ravens.
Joe Hayden
Yes. Beat the Raven and head to the playoffs.
James Debo Harrison
I'm not gonna talk crazy. Nothing like that. Because I did that. And it didn't. It didn't turn out good. So.
Joe Hayden
My God. Pull up to that jump. Yeah.
James Debo Harrison
You know what? You know what happened? Them damn dogs had rabies. Them dogs had rabies. That's what it was. They need to be put down, people.
Joe Hayden
Stop disrespecting, man.
James Debo Harrison
We gotta go get our shots.
Joe Hayden
Don't disrespect.
James Debo Harrison
You gotta get our shots.
Joe Hayden
You already know what's up.
James Debo Harrison
You know how many shots you gotta take for rabies?
Joe Hayden
No.
James Debo Harrison
It's like 16, 20 something, 30 something shots in your stomach. Seriously. I don't know. I'm just making that up.
Joe Hayden
I know you are, man. Debo. Get. Get off my live, baby.
James Debo Harrison
Joe.
Joe Hayden
Yes, sir. My good man.
James Debo Harrison
Hey, y', all, we out.
Joe Hayden
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In this episode, NFL veterans and former rivals James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden relive a wild NFL Sunday, centered around the Cleveland Browns' unexpected victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers. With Deebo’s Steelers fandom tested and Joe’s Browns pride booming, the duo break down the game drive-by-drive, analyze coaching and execution, and banter about franchise directions and the future at quarterback. A heated but humorous debate follows on play-calling, individual defensive performances, and why the Steelers keep falling short in big moments. They also briefly touch on the Eagles' gritty survival against the Bills and the shootout between the 49ers and Bears.
The episode opens with Deebo still reeling from the Steelers’ loss and recounting his self-control in not driving to Joe’s house in a rage. He admits to trying to calm his nerves with wine and then switching to liquor to process the defeat.
Joe revels in the Browns’ victory and ribs Deebo about game-day stress:
Early Browns Dominance:
Steelers’ Offensive Struggles:
Big Browns Touchdown:
Controversial Penalties:
Key Missed Opportunities:
Browns’ Defensive Adjustments:
Fourth Quarter Drama & Critique:
Deebo blasts the Steelers’ inability to finish drives or convert on 3rd/4th downs:
Joe underscores missed opportunities and bad calls:
Deebo voices frustration with Steelers’ draft struggles and lack of long-term QB vision.
Joe suggests it’s time to test Will Howard and look ahead in the draft.
49ers vs Bears Shootout:
Eagles Survive Bills:
| Timestamp | Segment | Notes | |-------------|------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:09 | Deebo & Joe emotional opener, wine therapy | Browns/Steelers rivalry, fan psychology | | 06:11 | Drive-by-drive Browns first scoring sequence | Detailed X’s and O’s breakdown | | 12:05 | Cornerback debate | Ward & Campbell’s lockdown | | 20:29 | Steelers’ missed interception critique | “That should’ve been a pick-six…” | | 25:21 | Browns’ defensive plays and strip sack | Delpit’s impact | | 29:42 | Steelers’ missed field goal, Joe’s analysis | “Y’all wasn’t expecting that…” | | 38:10 | Third/fourth down & red zone failures | Deebo summarizes the offensive woes | | 40:14 | Joe’s candid Browns fandom revealed | “I’m a Browns fan. For real, for real.” | | 43:54 | Deebo’s critique of Steelers' organizational issues | Long-term quarterback struggles | | 53:03 | Miles Garrett accusation & in-game adjustment chat | Was sack record on the Steelers’ minds? | | 56:42 | 49ers/Bears shootout breakdown | Purdy & McCaffrey praised | | 58:29 | Eagles-Bills thriller commentary | Debated 2-pt conversion/O.T. strategy | | 64:14+ | Superchats, shoutouts, community banter | Chad Ochocinco, Covenant Life, audience interaction |
This episode is a must-listen for NFL fans seeking raw, real-time reactions from two former defensive stars who know these teams inside and out. Deebo’s dejection and analysis as a lifelong Steeler is matched by Joe’s unapologetic exuberance as a newer, but passionate Browns convert. The episode is equal parts game-film breakdown, organizational critique, and barbershop banter about legacy, coaching, and “what needs to change” for perennial also-rans. The inclusion of league-wide recaps and playful nods to Eagles and 49ers fans rounds out a lively, informed podcast.
Key takeaway:
The Browns capitalized on Pittsburgh’s missed opportunities and questionable decisions, shining a light on the dysfunction and future uncertainty in Steeltown, while the NFL landscape remains wild and unpredictable. If your team is on life support, misery loves company in Club Shay Shay.